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I'm here at the Presbyterian Church to do our apologetics conferences. A few things before we get started. Ladies room, go through the double doors, take an immediate right and head straight back. Men's room, go all the way across the fellowship hall, then take a right and go straight to the back.
We are going to have pink lemonade and cookies after the presentation this evening, so we invite you to stick around. Some of the cookies have nuts. Yes, some of the cookies have nuts. Some of the cookies aren't.
Those are gargantuan peanuts. Be warned. If you have an allergy, you're probably going to have to fly to Chile and not come. Anyway. It is very nice to see a number of people from other congregations.
We have Free Will Baptists and Independent Baptists. I'm not sure what you're called. I know you're Baptists and you're Independent. Did I say Free Will? Quite a few. Anyway, if you are not familiar with us, we are a congregation of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, which means that we are a remnant of those who still believe the Bible.
We received the right to go to Christian fellowship out of the mainline Presbyterian Church nearly 80 years ago. We still believe the Bible and it is our only and powerful rule of faith in practice. We are centered, say, by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone.
And all that we do is speak to God's glory alone. And so, we try to stress simple reverent worship, expository preaching. Rather than lots of programs, we try to equip and encourage fathers to be the spiritual heads of their homes.
We think it's far better for a family to be gathered around the dining room table, reading the Bible together, than all the slickest programs in the world. If you'd like more information on us, there are some flyers around.
I'll be hanging around as well. And it is a privilege to have you with us. We'll be continuing to meet tomorrow night and Saturday night. The topics will be, tomorrow night, Romans 9, Potter's Freedom.
Then Saturday night, with it being July 4th, we figured that we would go for something tame and non-controversial like homosexuality. But at any rate, it is a great privilege to have Dr. White with us.
If you are not familiar, Dr. James White is president of Alpha Omega Ministries. He is the author of 20-some-odd, I think, pushing 30. Can you close this down? Twenty-four. Twenty-four. Only twenty-four.
But he has participated in part of over 130 formal moderated debates with a host of different people who aren't airmen. If you missed last night's presentation, a better recording of the same material is available on YouTube.
Apparently, most of it is on YouTube, but a better version is also on YouTube. It's not on our channel. But we are going to be posting all of these up there. It's a great privilege to have Dr. White with us.
Please express your gratitude. This is his gift to us. He has known us for many years and contacted me several months ago. He has basically volunteered to come here without speaking to any honorarium.
He has said, in our heart, we give it to you to encourage the ministry. And that means a great deal to us. So please express your appreciation for him, Dr. James White.
It's an honor to be back with you again this evening.
It seemed like it was a little bit cool. But I got up this morning. I've been exploring. And every time I was on Lake City in the past, it's just been to come up and do whatever. Do debates outside the temple, et cetera, et cetera.
And I'd always seen those canyons going off of those huge mountains. And I knew that there were skiers that come up during the winter to explore those places. Well, now I'm getting to explore them. And this morning, I discovered a place called Garzman Path on my bike.
I started down at the bottom and rode up to the top there and went, oh, this is really nice. It's a beautiful, beautiful area up there. I'm enjoying that. I'm sort of killing myself in the process. But riding here in the morning and speaking during the evening and this evening, we have a subject that is, in one sense, similar to last evening in the idea that it requires of us a fair amount of concentration and work, but very different.
It's one of the reasons I chose not to use the projector this evening. I have, obviously, entire presentations on this that I can present to you. But I decided I wanted to go a little more sermonic rather than professorial, shall we say, in talking about our God and talking about why we believe what the Christian Church has professed for its entire history, really, when you go back to the very earliest, outside of the New Testament.
It's interesting to note that, for example, Ignatius, the Bishop of Antioch, on his way to a martyrdom in Rome, wrote seven letters. And in those letters, he over and over again expressed full belief in the deity of Christ.
He had a very high Christology. This was not something that just developed over time. This was something that you find not only in the pages of Scripture, but in the earliest faith as well. And so, to me, it is vitally important that we know who God is.
Because what differentiates between Christianity and paganism is that in paganism, you worship unknown gods. You remember on Mars Hill, Acts chapter 17, the Apostle Paul latches on to that image, that altar to an unknown god.
They're sort of covering their bases, just in case there was somebody out there that somehow had forgotten to communicate clearly, or maybe had chosen a prophet that was very absent-minded. Who knows?
I mean, if you think about how that all worked. And he latched on to that, and he talked about this unknown god, and said that actually the one true god has revealed himself. We do not worship an unknown god.
And we do not worship a god that you can edit down to make comfortable to us. Well, when I say we, I'm talking about those who truly desire to worship God, who desire His honor. We do live in a day when much of what calls itself Christianity is, in fact, creating a designer god.
Creating a god that will not make demands upon them. Creating a god that is more psychologically fulfilling to worship. You can, in essence, determine how you're going to worship God in such a way as to make you feel the best when you walk out the back door.
This kind of a Christianity is very popular in Atlanta. It is, however, I would suggest, utterly unknown to the page of the scripture itself. In fact, in my experience, as I seek to interact with Christians who struggle with certain elements of the Christian faith, I am over and over again struck by the fact that when you raise issues in the scriptures where God reveals Himself, and He reveals certain aspects of His being that are the most challenging to sinful man, that is really when you find out whether someone is under the authority of the Word of God or whether they are not.
Because when you think about it, there are certain things that God has revealed about Himself that are uncomfortable to any sinful person. The holiness of God. You think what happens in Isaiah chapter 6.
You think about that encounter where Isaiah, one of the holiest men in Israel, sees God as He truly is. And what is the immediate response of this holy man but to say, I am undone, I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among two people of unclean lips.
In other words, once he saw God for who God truly was, then he saw Himself for who He truly was. And I think that is what people are concerned about. They are afraid of seeing who they really are reflected in the reality of who God really is.
Some of you may have read in your experience in your lifetime a book called The Institutes of Christian Religion. And I have often said that the vast majority of that book, the ink still smudges on the page, it remains so relevant to where we are today.
It starts off with this discussion of what comes first, our knowledge of ourselves or our knowledge of God. And basically it comes down to the conclusion that, well, we need to know God rightly to know ourselves.
Because if we are His creatures, then a true knowledge of Him will give us the proper context to truly know ourselves. We live in a day, however, where the idea that God has spoken with clarity and therefore has revealed Himself is not something that is shared by a large majority of people.
And I have to report to you, it is not actually shared functionally and meaningfully by a large portion of the people who actually call themselves Christians. When you look into what is taught in the seminaries, when you look into what is taught in Bible colleges across our land, you will discover that a belief in the true inspiration and revelation of Scripture is a small minority.
Even amongst people who would say otherwise, to really treat the Bible as what it claims to be, and even more so as what Jesus taught it to be, is unfortunately a rarity. In the vast majority of instances, that word is subjugated under all sorts of other traditions, or subjugated to the mind of man, or whatever authority you want to put over it, that is what ends up happening.
Now, what does this have to do with our subject this evening? Well, let me begin with this statement. If you don't believe that God has spoken with clarity, if you do not have the highest view of Scripture, you will never believe the Doctrine of the Trinity.
Because the Doctrine of the Trinity is based upon two fundamental assertions, Sola Scriptura, that Scripture alone is the sole and valid rule of faith, and Tota Scriptura, that we must accept and believe all that God has revealed in Scripture.
We can't get to pick and choose, we can't say, well, well, there's a fairly well-known fellow who, what, about two or three weeks ago now, came out and switched his position and did the flip-flop that many people are doing today on the subject of marriage and human sexuality, and he calls himself a red-letter Christian.
A red-letter Christian. Now, I have talked in the past about what I call hyper-red-letterism. There are those people who basically seem to think that if the words are printed in red, they're more inspired than if they're printed in black.
There's a lot of people who take that view, whether they want to say that or not. The point is, this particular fellow, well-known guy, wants to create a view of Jesus. He creates a Jesus that amazingly looks a lot like him.
And then, with that view of Jesus, he then wants to read everything else in Scripture through that particular lens. Now, what that results in is, well, if you do that, then you don't have to worry anymore about all those troubling passages in the Old Testament where, well, isn't everyone just a little bit bothered by Luza?
I mean, is Luza really one of the favorite childhood Bible stories? Sometimes you're going, who in the world is Luza? Luza was that nice, he seems like to us, his nice guy. And remember the people of Israel, they're moving the ark, and they're not doing exactly what God had said was to be carried on poles by the priests.
But they decided there was a more effective, more efficient way of doing it, and so they had it on a cart. And one of the oxen stumbles, and the cart stops to tip, and Luza, what a tragedy would it be for this beautiful ark of the covenant to fall upon the ground, and so he reaches out, and he keeps it from falling, and he saves the day.
God strikes again. Strikes again.
And a lot of us, we sit back, and we look at that, and we go, I don't like it. Now, when Aaron's sons were consumed at Afra's strange fire, and I struck that before God, we don't know much about them, and we don't really know what they were up to, we're not really sure what the strange fire thing was, despite any conferences that were recently held in California, and we're really not sure about any of that stuff.
And so we're like, well, he seems really strict, you know, this God seems really strict. But Luza really bothers us, really, really causes problems. So what a lot of people do is they take Jesus, and they take the Jesus lens, and then they look through, that's the lens they've created themselves, and then they look back at the Old Testament, and all of a sudden, the entire swaths of the Old Testament disappear.
All that stuff about bringing Israel to the land, and destroying the Amorites, and judgment, and, you know, all that stuff just disappears because we have a new lens that we can look through. Problem is, once you start playing with scripture like that, there really isn't any stopping point.
And there really isn't any reason to continue to believe the things that we have believed down through the centuries, either. Because unless you have the highest view of scripture, you will not be a biblical Trinitarian.
Now I know, I know, if you go off to the university, or the community college, you're going to be told that the doctrine of the Trinity developed over time, and it's just a matter of believing what the Council of Nicaea said, and then reaffirmed the Council of Constantinople, and you've got Chalcedon, and all the rest of that kind of stuff.
And it's all just historical meanderings of the Church once it's sort of lost rooting in the Bible. That's not the case. The only reason to believe the Trinity is because you are willing to believe everything that the Bible says about God.
And if you don't believe that the Bible is God's self-revelation, there's absolutely no reason to believe the Trinity. And I'm sorry, I know there are people who say, well, you know, if you look up in the sky, you'll see that there are certain constellations.
But that constellation and that constellation, it reveals the truth. And I just sort of go, what? I mean, I know there are some good folks who have certainly done that stuff. I don't even know how to begin to try to defend something like that from the pages of Scripture.
The reason we believe in the Trinity is because we believe all the Scripture teaches about God. Now, let me give you a definition and warn you ahead of time. I am not one of those people that discusses this subject without passion.
I believe this is central to our worship. I believe it's central to our Christian experience. I am not claiming to be some objective scholar just examining the evidence. I am a biblical Trinitarian. I am forced to believe in the Trinity by the revelation of Scripture itself.
And so I'm not one of those folks who starts off with all the philosophical definitions and all the rest of that stuff, and then eventually might get around to looking at the Bible. My focus this evening, that's the right amount of time to be spent looking at the three foundational doctrines that make up the doctrine of the Trinity, that force us to believe in the doctrine of the Trinity from the Scriptural definition.
But I do have to be given the definition, given the fact that, well, I recently have been having the opportunity of going down to South Africa, for example. And one of the first conversations I had when I got there with one of my hosts was the fact that in essence the majority of what calls itself the Christian Church in South Africa is not Trinitarian.
It claims to be. But in reality, the vast majority of people in South Africa that claim to be Christian could never define the doctrine of the Trinity accurately. They do not believe that it's central or important.
There are no sermons on the subject. Some people thought that some of the seminars I did there were the first seminars on that subject in 50 years in that country. And so you can have people, and you can have churches.
I mean, a lot of the liberal mainline denominations still have the doctrine of the Trinity in their creeds. They don't believe it. They don't really believe it's a divine revelation, but it's still there.
And so when you ask people what is the doctrine of the Trinity, when my Muslim friends ask people that in South Africa, they get a lot of different answers. And I'll be honest. I think that if you were to go to most evangelical churches this coming Sunday and pass out just a short little quiz, a basic little quiz of what the doctrine of the Trinity is, I do not have any confidence that 50 of the people would pass that quiz.
And in fact, I have a feeling that about 70 would prove themselves theoretical in the doctrine of the Trinity. But completely out of ignorance. Completely out of ignorance. You rarely hear sermons on the doctrine.
I started my book, Forgotten Trinity, by saying, I love the Trinity. And then I said, when was the last time you heard someone say that? When was the last time you heard someone say, I love the Trinity?
And the reason I think you don't hear that is because people don't say they love something that they don't understand. And I think most of us as believers are a little uncomfortable. When Jehovah's Witnesses come to your door, if you challenge them, the first thing they're going to do is run to attack on the Trinity because they've found that to be the most effective way of silencing something.
Because they realize that Christians are extremely hesitant to really dive into the defense of the Trinity. Or, even if they do, their knowledge is so fragmentary and self-contradictory that it's easy to end up tying them in knots.
In fact, back before YouTube became what YouTube is today, back in the 90s, I remember going to a large church in Florida in the late 90s. And what I used to like to do is I would role-play. I would go in and I would role-play.
Because no one had seen me before, so it was easy to sneak in and I would role-play. And I was teaching a junior high school class. Do we have any junior high school teachers in here? People who teach either junior high schools or Sunday school teachers in junior high?
No? Oh, there's one person in the entire room. Well, you have my sincerest respect. As I look at it, we're born and we start that process of maturation, moving toward adulthood, toward true humanity. And then this happens.
It goes like that. That's the junior high school years, right there, where you get back down below the human level into some puzzle. And then somewhere around the middle of sophomore year, you start coming back out toward humanity again.
So anyone who can survive teaching junior high school deserves at least a Purple Heart, if not a congressional award. Anyway, I had a junior high school class to teach on Jones, but this is what we did.
We had the youth minister. Why do we have youth ministers who are always youth? I mean, does that really make sense? Take the most immature person we have, take the other most immature people we have.
Isn't that a rather dangerous combination? It's like having to drive you by all these fireworks, little shots out in the heat. I'm trying to sort of get around here. I don't know. It's very frightening to me.
But anyway, the youth minister comes in, and he introduces me as Elder White from the local kingdom hall. And since we've been talking about what other people believe, then we've got him to come, and he's going to talk to us.
And so I start talking with the youth minister, and within 30 seconds, I had the youth minister spouting Harrison. I turned him into a vocalist, like that. And then once you've got that, it's really easy to tie it up with a little bow and just...
And the kids, that was the only way to get them to listen. I mean, they're actually feeling bad for the youth minister for once in a while. It shows some compassion for them. You can only go halfway through the class that way, because it's going to take at least half the class to undo the damage that you did during the first part once you tell them who you really are.
But they really listened. I mean, if I was just some guy from Arizona, they would never listen. It was so easy to get even a staff member to start spouting Harrison in the Doctrine of Trinity. It took literally 30 seconds.
And so I am concerned that there is a tremendous amount of confusion, and if we do not have clarity on the Doctrine of Trinity, we will not be captured in seeking to defend it, and we will not see it being properly applied to the entirety of our worship.
And by the way, the Gospel is Trinitarian in its nature as well. So if we don't understand that, we are going to have some serious difficulties. So let's start with the definition. Within the one being that is God, there exist eternally three co-eternal persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Now, that is one sentence. It's not even a majorly compound sentence. That's one sentence. And you would think, well, if you can define something in one sentence, then how complex can it really be? But the problem is, most people conflate to the terms that I just used.
Let me just repeat it again. Within the one being, which is the first term, that is God, there exist eternally three co-eternal persons, there is the other one, namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Now those who oppose the Doctrine of Trinity say, well, what you're saying is one plus one plus one equals one. And what they're hearing us say is that there are three persons that are one person, or there are three beings that are one being.
And we're playing around with the meanings of one and three. But being and person are not the same thing. Now you say, well, you're going to go to the Bible. You're going to get all philosophical. Well, I believe this is forced upon us by the testimony of Scripture itself.
But let me at least define it, and then we'll see if that is indeed the case. Being is what makes something what it is. Person is what makes someone who they are. And so these are distinctions that we recognize in the creative order all around us every single day.
A rock has being. And in fact, one of the reasons that I was tapping the brakes quite as much as I was coming down the mountain this morning is that there were the shadows of trees on the road. And sometimes those shadows can hide things like a rock.
And it doesn't take a very big rock when your tire is only that wide to send you sprawling on the ground. And so a rock has being. Trust me, if I hit one at 40 miles an hour, I will be able to testify to you that a rock has being.
It has substance. If you've ever gotten nailed by one, you know, when we were kids. We were students when we were kids. And we threw rocks at each other. I mean, you know, Mom and Dad told us not to do that.
But, you know, they were building houses near where I lived when I was a teenager. And there would be this period of time where it was really cool because they were digging these pits where they were running the sewer and stuff.
So once the people that were working were gone, there would be a period of time where you could have the most cool army games in the world.
I mean, you've got one pit and you toss dirt plots at the guy in the other pit.
You couldn't see them, so you're sort of doing the bombing thing, you know. But, of course, what's inside a dirt plot anyways? Rocks! So, yeah, we just about knocked each other silly. And, you know, I realize that in today's politically correct world, that would be a really dumb thing to do.
But it was a lot of fun. But a rock has being, but it's not personal. So if you're not old enough to remember this, and you young people will laugh, but I bet you Jason didn't. There was a time, there was a brief period where there was a craze of having pet rocks.
Pet rocks. No, no, no, you don't remember that. This was 1970 or something. It was a weird house. Oh, okay. Oh, it was a weird house? Oh, okay. Pet rocks. Now, you've got to be pretty desperate to have a pet rock.
All right? I mean, you can't even get along with a cat, dog, what? You don't need to feed the rock. You don't need to feed the rock, that's true. But you don't get much from the rock. Why? Because while a rock has being, it is not personal.
No matter what you say to it, you can hold it, and you can pet it, and you can say nice words to it. Or you can use it to throw at the guy in the next ditch over at the housing development. It won't make any difference.
It doesn't care because it's not personal. It is not personal. The Bible reveals that God is personal. The Bible reveals that we are personal. We are each human beings. That's what makes us what we are.
But we are each different in the personhood that is ours, the who that we are. And when we have people who think that there are many people, we generally try to take them to a nice place with beautiful white clothes, and feed them nice food, and keep them in a nice, soft room, and things like that.
It's unnatural for us to have the idea that our being can be shared by multiple persons. When we come to talk about God, the question is, does the Bible say to us that there is one being that is God? Does the Bible say to us that there are three persons who are differentiated from one another?
Is that what the revelation of Scripture is all about? Now, I want to be practical. I want you to be able to take some notes, be able to go away with some text, maybe to be memorizing as you consider to commit to memory.
But I also want it to be very clear for you to understand exactly what it is that we're saying. So, what are the three doctrines that I say force us to believe the doctrine of many? If you've ever had a discussion about this, I know many of you have.
Many Christians will say, well, I've tried to have a conversation with a villain of mine, whether they're here in Salt Lake City, it's a member of the LDS Church, or whether it's one of Jehovah's Witnesses, or maybe a one that's been to Costco, or whatever else it might be, or maybe just a confused Baptist next door.
I mean, I've had to talk with some of my old Baptist friends about these things. Very often, the conversation is frustrating, because it doesn't end, it goes from one verse to another verse to another topic to another topic, and you get done after two hours, and you feel like you accomplished absolutely nothing.
Anybody ever had that experience? It helps if you and I have real clarity in our own thought as to what the Bible teaches, and once you have that down, then as you're listening to someone else, you go, okay, what they've just said violates maybe two of these three things, one of these three things, they've got a misunderstanding of this doctrine here.
If we understand what the foundations are, then if we listen to someone else, then it's going to be up to us to do the listening and to figure these things out, we're the ones that have to build the bridges, we're the ones that have to communicate.
Then we'll be able to bring them to the Scripture, rather than, well, my opinion is this, or my opinion is that. And I think that's vitally important. So what's the very first foundation of the doctrine of the Church?
Well, there's no question that it is the biblical doctrine of monotheism. The biblical doctrine of monotheism. Now, my Muslim friends insist that we are not actually monotheists, that we do not believe that there is only one God, and that's because there are people who confuse monotheism with Unitarianism.
Now, what do those two words mean? Well, monotheism simply means there is only one God. Now, there are subcategories of monotheism, and we can talk about some of those things, but what we are saying is there is only one true God, we are saying there is one true God who created all things, who himself is uncreated.
He made everything else, he is unlike anything else, he is absolutely unique, he is the ground of all being, anything else that exists, exists because God created it. Now, how is that different than Unitarianism?
Well, I don't know if you have Unitarian churches around here. You've got your next door neighbor down the road. What is the Congregational Church of St. Louis? UCC. United Church of Christ? Yes. Oh, okay.
That's interesting. I've never seen one of those before. It's a foundation. Very light foundation. Oh, yes, very light foundation. I believe that. I'm well aware of the UCC. They even kept one of the seats up.
They were like quite a long time ago. But anyway, you may have heard Unitarian churches, and you may have sat down next to a nice little lady, you know, at a restaurant once, and she described, I'm a Unitarian.
We just love to have everyone. And you've heard of Unitarian Universalist Church, where they'll very frequently have cat healings and things like that. It's a very interesting denomination. But that's not what we're talking about.
We're talking about Unitarianism here. Unitarianism is the idea that the being of God is shared by only one person, unity, Unitarian. So they may be monotheists, historically speaking, and then Unitarian, one being one person.
That's different than Trinitarian, one being three persons. In between, you might have Vinitarianism, where there would be two persons, something like that. But monotheism, the opposite of monotheism, is polytheism, believing in many gods.
There's also something called enotheism. You have one main god, and you have lesser gods, and you need that god, et cetera, et cetera. Like I said, there are different categories. Now, if you go to almost any Bible school or seminary today that, again, has a low view of Scripture, that has a view of Scripture that says, well, you know, these are men's best thoughts about God, evolved over time, you'll be taught that the original Israelites were polytheists who, over time, became enotheists, who eventually, in the late 2nd, kind of before the 2nd Temple period, became monotheists.
And they're the ones who look at the Old Testament and chop it up into all sorts of different parts. And this is the J part, this is the E part, this is the D part, that's the P part there, that's the Priestly and the Eloist and the Deuteronomist and the Yahwist, and you just chop it up into a thousand pieces.
And then you can make it say anything you want it to say. Now, I went to a seminary that was way to my left, way to my left, when I did my first math. And now, it's so far to the left, I'd have to look to the right to see how far it was.
But all of my Old Testament professors presented this material. And all the commentaries I had to read, they presented it in that perspective. So I'm not ignorant of the arguments, I'm not just knee-jerk reaction against quote-unquote Biblicalism.
But the simple fact of the matter is, that is not how Jesus viewed the Scriptures. And I sort of think, if you're going to call yourself a Christian, does it really make sense for you to go, I'm going to entrust myself to Jesus for my eternal salvation.
But when it comes to Scripture, I think I know a little therapy. And yet, that's what we have in so much of Christian scholarship and academia today. And I don't understand it. And so, I'm going to go with Jesus' view.
When he quotes from the Old Testament, in Matthew, this incredible section, in Matthew chapter 22, when he says to men, standing right in front of him, have you not read what God spoke to you, saying, and he quoted it, from what had been written 1400 years earlier.
From Jesus' perspective, those words were spoken by God, and every person living in each generation is held accountable to what God said back then. That is a high view of Scripture. When you have a high view of Scripture, you'll be able to understand what the Bible actually teaches about God.
If you refuse to chop it up into pieces and cut it into shreds, if you allow it to actually stand and say, what does this body of revelation, yes, 40 different authors, 1500 years, that's part of the miraculous nature of Scripture.
What does it teach about who God is? It teaches, first and foremost, there is only one true God. Now, I know I have spent many hours downtown Salt Lake City talking with our Mormon friends about this very subject.
Because as you know, the King Paul funeral discourse, which used to be really authoritative, but is anything really authoritative anymore in Mormonism? I don't know. They're just emotions and feelings.
But it used to be that there would be a lot of weight placed in the words of Joseph Smith, and he said, and we have imagines and quotes, that God was God for long eternity. And he said, I'll refute that idea and take away the veil so that you may see.
Well, we had a lot of conversations because if you try to refute the idea that God has got to be a God for all eternity, you have separated yourself and your followers forever from the God of the Scriptures.
Because the God that Jesus thought was the one true God, every morning Jesus would get up, just like every other good Jewish person did, and he and his disciples would say, Shema Yisrael, Yahweh Eloheinu, Yahweh our God.
Here, O Israel, Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one. And that absolute monotheism was extended to every aspect of the Jews, and it is what is revealed to us in the Scriptures themselves. And in fact, it has a very interesting application, especially up here when we do talk about Mormonism, because, as some of you may know, not 30 days of Joseph Smith, but after him, there was further evolution in the LDS understanding of the Godhead, and eventually the First Presidency defined that the Father is Eloheinu, and Jehovah is the Son.
Now, that wasn't Joseph Smith's view, honestly, that's pretty obvious, but it became the official view when the First Presidency defined it as such, and that certainly is what is presented in the LDS Temple Ceremonies and things like that.
And yet, in Scripture, that kind of division, where you have Eloheinu as one God and Jehovah as a separate God, is absolutely impossible. 535 times in the Hebrew Old Testament, the joint name Yahweh Eloheinu is used, of one God.
In Deuteronomy 4 .3 .5, it says, you might know that Yahweh, He is Eloheinu, there is no other besides Him, not them. Now, it's painfully obvious that Joseph Smith did not read the original languages of the Bible.
He tended to a couple of times, and, well, again, all you've got to do is look at the papal canon and figure out what those are from there, but the reality is that the testimony of Scripture is painfully clear in regards to the subject, the fact that there is only one true God.
And if you ever just want to have this seep into your being, what you need to do is listen to the Trial of the False Gods. The Trial of the False Gods in Isaiah 43 -48, just sit down at some point and let everything else decide, do something modern Americans, I think, almost get panicked when they do it, turn off the TV, shut off the music, silence, I think, scares the millennials.
I think millennials are frightened of silence, personally. They've got to have something expected to hear, something going on, something to start. Try doing that, and then listening to Isaiah 40 -48. Yeah, I realize that's going to take more than half an hour of concentrated effort, but the benefits are incredible, and really, really are.
Because here you have God engaging literally in a level of sarcasm that is amazing. Remember the part in that section where the prophet pictures the man who goes out and he cuts down a tree, and he takes the wood, and with half the wood he builds a fire, and he cooks his food.
And then when he's done, he's filled, he's had his dinner, he takes the other half of the wood, and he carves an idol, and he falls down and worships the idol. The sarcasm, the mockery of the foolishness of idolatry, is right there on the surface of it.
It's amazing. And one of the things tremendous is, we learn from God's demonstrating what failures, false gods are. We learn a lot about the true God as a result. For example, all through that section, I am the maker of all things.
I am the maker of all things. In Isaiah chapter 44, verse 24, for example, we are told, thus says Yahweh, the Redeemer, the one who formed you from the womb, I, Yahweh, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by myself and spraying out the earth by myself.
You cannot begin to understand almost anything the Bible teaches about God, or about human beings, law, meaning, or anything else, if you do not have a creator. If you do not realize He is the creator of all things.
It makes no sense. It is central to everything. That's why our society has completely lost its warriors. We don't have a creator. We're not made. We're not created. We're not designed. You can't talk about purpose if there is not a created design.
It fundamentally robs humanity of its intrinsic and transcendent worth when we view ourselves, well, as some people like to put it, as biological bags of fizzing chemicals, because that's all we are. Or, for my fellow geeky Trekkies in the audience, you may recall a very accurate description of mankind once.
We were being described by a silicon-based life form as ugly bags of mostly water. How many of you know ugly bags of mostly water? Okay. Now, mark them out. They're the geeks. That was a great episode.
I really like a great episode. Ugly bags of mostly water. Well, if we are ugly bags of mostly water, then any kind of morality, any kind of trying to assign meaning, value of life, beauty, love, it's all meaning.
It's all made up. It's all real. We just do it to make ourselves feel better, but it's actually no, there's nothing there. And we're seeing results in our society right now. God's creator. Because he's the creator, the next thing he challenges the idols to do is say, tell us what's going to happen.
Tomorrow. Tell us what's going to happen in the future. The idols can't do that. God says, I can.
And then you've got things like Isaiah 9, 6, 7, 14, and all those prophecies and the 22nd Psalm fulfilled in Jesus. He proves that he has knowledge of the future, and then there's something a lot of people miss in that same section when he's saying, tell us what's going to happen in the future, or tell us what happened in the past and why it happened.
Ever thought about that? Historians can tell you what happened in the past, not necessarily perfectly accurate, but they can tell you. But historians can almost never tell you why it happened. Why it happened.
It seems that God has a divine decree. He has a purpose that he has accomplished. He is the creator of all things. And, by the way, Isaiah 44, 24 exactly. You might want to write that one down, because if you're going to be talking to folks around here, most of you know Isaiah 44, 24 is extremely relevant, because it says that Yahweh stripped out the heavens by himself, sprouted the earth, all alone.
That's in the Mormon theology. Yahweh didn't do those things alone. In fact, the presentation in the Mormon temple is Elohim sent down Jehovah, in company.
With Michael, to organize the earth.
And yet, God says, Yahweh says, I did this by myself. A little bit of a problem there. There are so many texts. We can go from Isaiah 43, 10 to 45, 5, 6. Just so many texts that emphasize the fact that it was only one true God.
And what's fascinating is when we get into the New Testament, the Apostle Paul takes the Shema, that confession of faith of the Jews, and in Isaiah chapter 8, verses 6 and 7, he expands it out. Evidently, drawing from something the early Christians did in the very first decade of the existence of the Christian movement, to make sense of what has happened in the revelation of Jesus Christ.
He expands it out. And this leads me to another point, before I go to the next foundation, a biblical foundation of the Doctrinal Trinity. And that is this. Where is the Doctrinal Trinity revealed? Is it revealed?
Now, there are people who disagree with me on this. I'm sorry, I wasn't asking. It was reserved. We have some eager folks who want to tell us. There are some people who disagree with me about this. But if you want to know where the Bible, I believe the Doctrinal Trinity is revealed, turn in your Bible to Matthew chapter 1.
Matthew chapter 1. I'm going to do that, I've got my beautiful Allen Revine American Standard up here. Matthew chapter 1 and look to the left of verse 1 to the gutter of your Bible. Or if you want, you can go to Malachi and you can go to chapter 4, verse 6 and again, look right past that, right in between that's where the Doctrinal Trinity is revealed.
What is the fundamental revelation of the Doctrinal Trinity? It is the incarnation life, death, burial, and resurrection of the Son followed by what? The outpouring of the Holy Spirit. And where did that happen?
Between Malachi and Matthew. Everything from Matthew on is a record of that because it's already in the past. Everything from Malachi onward is looking forward to that happening. So what I'm saying is the revelation of the Doctrinal Trinity took place in time and space and biblically everything through Malachi is looking forward to it, from Matthew onward is looking back to it and is written in light of it.
Think of who Peter was. Peter was an experiential Trinitarian. He had experienced the Doctrinal Trinity. He stood on the mountaintop. He heard the Father speaking. Using personal there's personal communication between the Father and the Son using personal pronouns of one another.
Jesus was not a ventriloquist. He was not throwing his voice. And now Peter, as he's preaching in Acts, he's now indwelled by the Holy Spirit. He walked with the Son. He heard the Father speaking. He's now indwelled by the Holy Spirit.
Peter is an experiential Trinitarian and the New Testament Doctrines are written by individuals who were experiential Trinitarians and therefore it oozes Trinitarian terminology naturally. If no one is thinking I have to now explain this, this is the very reality that's there.
Keep that in mind. I think that's helped a lot of people understand exactly when people say why isn't there a creedal statement? Why don't we have it like a systematic theology or something like that?
I think it misunderstands where the actual revelation of the doctrine of the New Testament took place. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that there are not prophetic indications. Clearly, Isaiah 9 .6 clearly Malachi talks about the one who's going to come everlasting.
And as we see here in a moment the New Testament writers saw Jesus as the Yahweh that was seen in the Old Testament. There's no question about all of that. But when does the actual revelation take place?
I would say right there. Right before Matthew 1 .1 and right after Malachi chapter 4. In between those two texts. But that was just a thought. I want to make sure I communicate it to you before I forget it.
Foundation number two foundation number two because we have monotheism there's only one true God. Yahweh is an angel. He revealed himself. When we come to the New Testament we clearly see that there are three divine persons revealed in the New Testament.
Now our Mormon friends here agree with us. They just miss it on the first one. In fact, who's the only people that deny this? Well formally you have the United Pentecostal Church International, the Jesus only movement that says that there are not three divine persons.
That Jesus was actually two persons. That he was a human person who is the son. Who is involved by the father. And then after the resurrection the father then acts like the spirit. So you have a form of what's called modalism there.
God adopts different modes of being. Sadly, the vast majority of illustrations that people use of the Trinity are modalistic. In fact, the vast majority of illustrations don't use them. They don't help.
They lead to confusion and not to assistance. What do I mean? Well, the Trinity is like it's like me. I'm a father but I'm also a son and I'm a brother. How many of you have heard that? That's modalism.
Because it's talking about having different relationships. Different modes of being. That's modalism. And if someone comes up to you with a three-leaf clover smack them. You know, they have glasses flying.
It's okay. Where they're just mocking all the really bad illustrations that the doctor put in. It's great. Look it up on YouTube and you'll get it. Water. It's ice. And it's liquid. And it's steam. That's not the Trinity.
Stop already, please. When I first started asking questions to people in my mainline Southern Baptist church when I was a teenager about these things, I got so many bad illustrations that it's amazing that it didn't become a heresy.
God exists uniquely, and as a result, if something's unique then you're not going to find anything in nature that is going to be like something that's unique. Because if it is, then it's not actually unique.
So keep that in mind. We're talking about three divine persons. There are clear texts that evidence this. And the reason I would suggest to you, normally I spend a whole lot of time going through these, but I want to be fairly brief because I want to get to some really practical stuff.
But John chapter 1, if you just look with me there from all. John 1 -1 is a battleground for many people. By the way, on a practical level, and you're always with us this time, you're normal. You're always with us this time.
I didn't know they were running street battles between missionaries on their dead seat. You looked under the road. Yeah! They should write Arlington. Not Phoenix. Phoenix must be purgatory for more missionaries because they got down out there in July and they were just leaving a trail of sweat behind them.
It's been a long time since it took place. I guess only bad missionaries get sent to Phoenix. I don't know. Anyway, it's the Jehovah's Witnesses telling you to go. Do not go to this house. I'm not saying it's not a battle text and everything else, but Jehovah's Witnesses can answer John 1 -1 while in a comatose state.
They don't have to think. You're not starting a thought process. They just start giving you this pre-memorized speech they've got and they're ready to go to the next house and you're not going to accomplish anything by going to John 1 -1.
You can go to it later on down the road to establish a relationship and lay the foundations of it, but just take my advice. You're not going to get anywhere if you start from John 1 -1 and say Jehovah's Witnesses.
It's not going to happen. In the beginning was the Word. Where it was with God, the Word was God. Now you know the Jehovah's Witnesses mistranslate this. They say the Word was a God and they say that's off to the side for the moment.
The point is that what we have in John 1 -1 in the beginning was the Word. The verb that is used here in the original language is timeless. I remember, I am so thankful, my dad went to Louisville Institute and graduated I think in 1953 as I recall and his Greek professor was Kenneth Weiss Skipper Weiss is what he was called, Skipper the good shit Greek and he was so tough that it was said that Kenneth Weiss single handedly sent hundreds of men to mission field because when you went to movie you had to survive his class to go through the pastoral section, but you didn't if you went through the mission section.
Many people shot out of the war mission field because they couldn't survive the street class. Well my dad did. And I remember, this is one of those man I'm thankful I had a Christian family story or something like that.
But I remember on a it was either Christmas Eve or Christmas night, I think it was Christmas night we were sitting around and my dad broke out his Greek text book this was when I was just first learning the language.
And he went through how in the prologue of John the first 14 verses whenever John talks about the word he uses what's called the imperfect form of I mean aim it does not refer to something being created or coming into existence.
But when he talks about anything else he uses the aorist form of himmah so when he talks about John there came a man named John and he says all things were made to him all the way through when the word is talked about timeless as far back as you want to push this beginning the words are in existence but everything else beginning, beginning, beginning was created then then at verse 14 the word alas starts again a time the word became flesh.
Why? Because there was a point in time when the word entered into human existence and so having carefully differentiated up to that point now John very clearly explains to us that there was a point in time where the word became flesh entered into human existence and I've never forgotten that lesson from my father who's still alive my mom's gone but my dad's still alive and I'm so thankful that when I first started showing an interest in these things he threw me in the car, threw me to the thrift store and started buying me Kenneth Lee stuff and A .T. Robertson stuff and lexicons and everything else he wanted me to have what I needed to have and that has been a wonderful thing.
So what you have here at verse 1 is in the first block in the beginning was the word, the word is eternally existent then and the word was cross the word was with God. There was a intimate direct relationship again eternal between whatever the word is we find out in verse 14 and whoever God is we find out that is in verse 18 the following there is a relationship a face to face relationship that exists and the third clause the word was God the word was as to his nature deity true deity and so you have a differentiation.
You have the assertion that the word as deity as eternally existent. Some people believe that Jesus came into existence at his birth in Bethlehem he was not pre-existent and so where would you go in scripture to show that Jesus as a person, the United Pentecostals say Jesus existed in the mind of God just like you and I do that it was certain that Jesus was coming into existence and that's the only way he existed an idealized idea in the mind of God.
A lot of people who have that view we normally don't have to talk to those folks but they're out there where would you go, now other than John 1 where else might you go. There are a number of places that I would suggest too here in the Gospel of John there's another and it's in John chapter 17 and then outside of John chapter 17 what I would suggest to you would be the great passage in Philippians chapter 2, we'll look at all of them very briefly here, I'm going to have to be very short because there's so much to cover but specifically in the prayer of Jesus to the Father in John 17 listen to these words now Father glorify me together with yourself with the glory which I had with you before the world was now think listen to the pronouns glorify me now Father, so you're addressing someone else is Jesus talking to himself.
Is this his human side talking to the divine side. The prayers of Jesus are a major problem. That's why I can't get their chief theologian Bernard to debate. We tried and tried and tried we actually had a regular debate.
I think they recognize, I think he recognizes that the prayers of Jesus it's an impossibility. They cannot explain what's going on here Father glorify me together with yourself with the glory which I had with you before the world was now.
That's not one person talking to another person and language cannot communicate anything usually whatsoever and evidently what it says is that one speaking at a point in time before the world was shared glory in the presence of the person to whom he is addressing these words.
So you have two glorious eternal persons.
So clearly Jesus is speaking of himself.
As one who existed before the world was and was glorious in the presence of the Father if that's not an indication of divine persons. I don't know what possibly could the other. Philippians chapter 2 so many things here.
I'm going to say very little about this because well it might show up in certain sermons coming up in the future. But Philippians chapter 2 verses 5 -11 probably one of the ancient hymns of the church and I won't like I said go through a lot of it but just look at the beginning of it.
Have this attitude of yourselves when you first abide. Which is also Christ Jesus who although he existed in the form of God and not regarding equality with God as anything to be grounded but emptying himself taking the form of God.
Certainly by being made in likeness to him. Now here's the key issue here. There's all sorts of things you can talk about in regards to well did he have equality with God. Was it something he wasn't trying to grasp at.
Was it something he had but gave up. Was it something he didn't have. There's all sorts of things that would go beyond the amount of time we have this evening. But what is important to see is that this empty notice it says he emptied himself.
Not he was empty. That term empty is never used literally by the apostle Paul. It's always used metaphorically. It's never like I had a glass of water and I emptied it out. It means to make yourself of no reputation.
It means to humble yourself. And that's what this whole section is about humility. But the point is how did he do this. He did this by taking the form of God. Certainly by being made in likeness to him.
Our Lutheran friends have an interesting interpretation of this. They think this was when Jesus dirt himself with a towel and washed the disciples feet. You didn't know that? I could believe almost anything from some Lutherans.
This is pretty much the general Lutheran perspective. I don't believe this is the incarnation. I think it very obviously is the incarnation because he when it says he existed in the form of God that's taking us back to the eternity.
And he did not regard that equality he had with God as a thing to be held on to at all cost. But he made himself of no reputation by taking the form of God. Certainly by being made in likeness to him.
So if this is the incarnation then think about what it means when it says that he did not regard equality as a thing to be perhaps regarded as an action of thought as an individual considering something weighing something, thinking about something that means Jesus before the incarnation is a person he is able to think, he is able to act as he is the one who empties himself.
And so clearly there is a distinction between the father and the son. You might say well what about the Holy Spirit? Why isn't there more discussion of the Holy Spirit? We'll get to that in just a moment when we look at the third foundation.
So the point is we have three persons when Jesus says for example baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. This is not baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Father and the Father, this is not baptizing them, well most Jehovah's Witnesses would have it baptizing them in Jehovah Michael the Archangel in an impersonal act of force.
That's how they would have to understand that particular text. You have a differentiation between the divine persons that is clearly made in Scripture. The Holy Spirit speaks. Jesus in John 14 and 16 says that he and the Father will send the Holy Spirit who is another comforter like Jesus is another comforter.
There's all these texts like this, we're simply allowing all of Scripture to speak and therefore we have three divine persons revealed to us. But the third foundation is the one that we normally end up arguing about the most and that is the co-equality and co-eternality of these persons.
What do I mean by that, well this is where you have the deity of Christ and the personhood of the deity of the Holy Spirit. This is the third area and of course we know this is where we're talking about Jehovah's Witnesses.
This is where we're going to be arguing. We're talking about anybody who in some way subordinates Christ as to his actual being. This is where we're going to be engaging in Biblical disputation with these individuals.
So what are the three doctrines 1. True God, 2. Three Divine Persons and 3. Equality of Persons. Does the Bible teach these things that to me when I listen to someone and I hear them objecting to the doctrine of the Trinity and normally it's something like well, I don't believe in that because the Roman Catholic Church came up with that.
Well I've done a lot of debates with Roman Catholics and Pope Francis might be the guy the very kind of guy you would want to live next door, borrow to promote borrow to promote her. He just may be the nicest guy I've met.
Problem is he bears the titles of each of the persons of the Trinity which is a problem. I think Greeks and Pauls that's a problem as well. I have debated many Roman Catholics. I tried to debate a Roman Catholic here, in fact one of the weirdest debates I ever had with a Roman Catholic this guy arranged, I'm not sure where I'm not sure where he came up with this but one of the weirdest debates I ever had with a Roman Catholic because when I did the debate the guy was saying, he said St. Mark Luther so it was an experience, but I stand firmly against Rome's teachings, no question about that but what does that have to do with the Trinity?
That's not why I believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. The Roman Catholic Church did not exist at the Council of Messiaen in 325, nobody there believed the things you have to believe in the Roman Catholic today so that's just simply prejudice masquerading as history of theology.
I don't want to believe the doctrine of the Trinity. When I hear someone I want to see what their real objection is and bring them back to Scripture. I don't want to sit there and quote creeds to them, the creeds may be important but the creeds are only relevant as long as they are they are reflecting what is found in that which is Theotokos that which is God's Word and so those are the foundations and when I hear someone speaking I want to ask them some questions to clarify exactly what their position is and then I'll be able to see which of these foundations they deny sometimes I'll deny more than one.
It's obvious for Mormonism that they deny the very basic foundation, monotheism but Jehovah's Witnesses actually somewhat deny monotheism because they believe Jesus is a God. He's a created God but He's a God, He's the first thing that Jehovah God created and so they also then of course deny the code of equality.
And code of eternality and so on and so forth.
And they actually deny the free-to-mind persons because they believe the Holy Spirit is the only person that I can force, so they actually deny all three so you can go to any one of those foundations to deal with the Witnesses at that point in time to be firm in our thinking does the Bible teach each one of these foundations one of the things I wanted to do and we only have about 20 minutes left.
One of the things I wanted to do was in looking at this last section there are just so many texts that go towards being in Christ the person of the Holy Spirit but one thing that I found really helpful to many audiences is to walk with you through what I found to be the most effective way of clarifying someone's thought when it comes to the doctrine of the Trinity, especially when you're talking to someone like one of Jehovah's Witnesses there are sort of two ways to do it if you've still got your papers and you're looking at chapter 2 let me tell you a story about an experience that I had with some Pioneer Ministers, now how many of you have ever heard of Pioneer Ministers?
Pioneer Ministers this may have changed in the past, but the Witnesses have changed too they well know that they've got to dump their 1914 prophecy stuff and all the rest of that kind of stuff because 1914 was 101 years ago there's nobody left and so they've learned you don't do this quickly you do this slowly and just by de-emphasizing stuff and just hoping that people don't notice over a period of time but Pioneer Ministers back when this incident took place spent, if I recall correctly 30 or 35 hours per week going door to door distributing Watchtower that's pretty much you know under the Obama regime, that's full time work thanks to Obamacare that's full time for all of us and so I mean these people are the, I would say a Pioneer Heroes Witness is more than a match for the vast majority of seminarians.
I mean how many of us spend 5 hours a week preparing to deal with anything else? They're spending at least 5 hours a week constantly preparing to deal with this so it's just a matter of preparation just a matter of preparation.
There were two women Pioneer Ministers that I was sitting in someone's home and they, I was trying to help them to understand the relationship between Jesus and the Bible and what's included in this chapter and what I try to communicate to them is what is found in looking at the context of this chapter, because see this is what, Joe's Witness is massive for a New World Translation, I don't have it memorized but I think it's something along the lines of that Jesus did not give consideration to a seizure namely to be equal to God.
I mean the New World Translation is just, it's so fun to read it's like chewing aluminum foil it's just awesome and so he did not give consideration to a seizure namely to be equal to God, so from their perspective what's being said here, Jesus as you probably know, is Michael the Archangel, God's first created thing, through who he created everything and so Michael didn't try to become equal with God.
I need to speak. I have a 64 gigabyte micro SD card it's amazing we got it in Europe we must mention it you got it 64 gigabyte we're still working on 8088 actually ok, we're good. Alright so here in Philippians chapter 2 what they're saying is that Michael was not equal to God's Father and did not try to become equal, how do you help them to see for the problems.
The key to Philippians 2 is the context, so often Christians will allow themselves to be dragged into debate context without taking the time to read the preceding verses. The result is catastrophe, you see the context of the Christian needs to empathize with God.
This is a sermon illustration. It's a sermon illustration. And what's a sermon illustration of? Paul is saying to the church in Philippi, you need to remain united you need to be of one mind one heart, one soul and the only way that that ever happens in a local body of believers is if every one of them is committed to being a servant to the others once you get people once you get people who start promoting themselves you start getting division in the local church and we all know it.
I went to this big, huge Southern Baptist church and I enjoyed my time there, I learned a lot there, it was a time of blessing in my life. I got to sing in a singing group I got to travel around there were a lot of advantages of being in a church with 20 ,000 members now, quite a way, because in my body there were 7 ,000 at a given time and I joked and it wasn't much of a joke that you had to personally present your own death certificate and get tripled it to get off the road.
It was still really a neat experience. But I worked in the sound. I ran the sound 250 voice choir full orchestra. It was a job by the way, anyone who runs sound most thankless job in the world. You do it perfectly, no one ever says a word to you.
You do anything wrong, everyone knows where you are. So if you go to a church that has a sound man take him out to lunch or something do something nice to the sound man because it is a very thankless job very, very awesome.
But, one thing you learn in the sound.
Is that the souls are very focused on themselves.
And that I learned that many of the major problems in large churches come out of music because there are people there. They've got egos. They are performers. They are hurt when somebody else has chosen to sing the song rather than themselves.
And I can tell you a story of divisions that took place. And if you just read Philippians 2, 1 -4 it would change all don't look to your own things. Look to the things of others. And there's a Greek word what a wonderful word that is.
It's a word you can say over and over again. It simply means humility of mind. Putting others before your soul. That's what Paul is telling Philippians they need to do. That's the key to maintaining peace in the local church.
And if you don't know that you're never going to be able to use Philippians 2, 5 -11 in an apologetic context. Why? Because it determines, it's the only way to interpret it because you see just simply on the basis of grammar you can't decide whether what's being said here is that Jesus had equality but didn't consider it something to be held on to or that he didn't have equality and didn't try to grasp at it you can argue either one from the grammar of the text.
So are we left not knowing? No, here's what happened. Picture this, I'm sitting on a couch next to the owner of the home and by the way, the only time I have ever been physically assaulted in a witnessing situation.
Have you been physically assaulted? No you're young. Um I mean I mean I've been in mosques. I've been, but the only time I have ever been physically assaulted was in witnessing to a Jehovah's Witness couple and I was slapped across the face by a little old Jehovah's Witness lady.
Would you mind being a Jehovah's Witness lady for a moment? Okay so I was sitting, don't you just have your picture? I was I was I was trying to explain to this lady how in John 14 14, if you look in the New World Translation, if you look at their Kingdom Interlinear they've deleted the word from the Greek text, because in John 14 14, Jesus says, if you ask me anything in my name I will do it.
Jesus was talking about that when he was going back to the Prophets how can you ask Jesus anything in his name? Prayer. Well that's gone in the New World Translation, they took it out, even though it's in their Greek text she couldn't see it.
So I took my Greek text and I came over and I knelt down next to her and I said, see this, it's right here. And she looked at it looked at me, and she just used the back of her hand and slapped me right onto my back.
That's why I got away from her because I figured she'd probably do that. She slapped me right into the middle of the room. I collected my wits, I got up and I remember looking over at her husband and the look on his face was you don't know what happened.
Yeah, that was an experience anyways, and they're holding their Bible to these higher ministers. And I said, let me ask you a question. You have these two possibilities as to what this means. But remember let's go back and read the first four verses.
I said we're all talking about humility of mind, serving others laying aside your rights to serve others. And this was back. Remember the days of Michael Kirby. I remember, really 1993 Sons vs. Bulls Charles Barkley.
We were close. We were close lost in six. But everybody knew who the best basketball player in the world was. And so I said think of it this way. If you're the water boy on the Chicago Bulls bench it's game seven.
You're down by two. There's one second left. Are you going to run up to. I think it was Phil Jackson and ask to be put in in the place of Michael Jordan to take that last three point shot. Of course not.
Would you call someone that would humble. Would you say they had humility of mind. Listen to what you're telling me. This text says that a created being Michael the Archangel didn't try to become equal with Jehovah God.
And that's an example of humility. A creature not trying to become equal to the creator is to be our example of humility. No the point of Philippians 2 is that we have the ground is level for the cross.
We all have equal rights but we lay those rights aside in the service of others. And that's what Jesus did. He was equal with the father. He was the object of the worship of the angels and yet he laid that aside and became obedient to death and in death on a cross.
That's what Philippians 2 is about. And I remember seeing this woman. She's holding her Bible and it's almost like a snake appeared in her lap. She was like I saw her get it. I saw her see it. And that's one of the things when you're talking to Jehovah's Witnesses they won't take literature from you.
They won't take traction from you. But I've never had a Jehovah's Witness leave their Bible behind. So if you could show up to them in their own text that would be an amazing experience. That would be amazing.
Now, in the last two minutes I once met with three Witness elders elders of the congregation. Now I can do something that most Arab elders can't do. And that is we sat down and we introduced ourselves and said well let me tell you something folks I'm an adjunct professor with lots of schools these days and I teach Greek and Hebrew and Christian apologetics.
And I actually teach folks about what you believe. Could I explain to you what I tell people you believe. And normally they'll go oh yeah. And then what I'll do is I will give just the most accurate explanation of what Jehovah's Witnesses believe, I'll use their own language all the way down.
And I once had some elders say that could have been a talk in one of our kingdom halls, I mean they're just blown away. Then I'll say well obviously we can have some very fundamental disagreements mostly about what we believe about God.
I'd like to explain to you why I believe that Jehovah is trying and I'll use I won't argue with them about whether it should be Yahweh or Jehovah. That's a dead area. It's not worth going into that, I mean I think Jehovah is impossible.
But fine, that's the term they use. I'll use it. I'd like to explain to you why I believe that Jehovah is trying. They are a little bit taken aback by people who use and by name, a lot of them think they're the only ones that know them.
They'd be surprised to turn to him before Jehovah's. They'd be surprised if they walked into one of our worship services. But anyway you only have a certain amount of time with someone like this before they become very uncomfortable.
So you've got to be clear you've got to be, you've got to communicate. Well here's how you do it. Turn with me to Psalm 102. Go ahead and use their Bible. I know that there's all sorts of mistranslations in it.
We're about to read everything else for this instance use their Bible and turn to Psalm 102 and ask them to read verses 25 -27 of old. You found the earth and the heavens were the work of your hands. Even they will perish for you have endured.
And all of them will wear out like a garment, like clothing. You will change them and they will be changed. You're the same and your years will not come to an end. Right. Their translation is pretty much the same.
There's really not any major problems. Right. Before you do anything else you must establish some things at this point. Say now who is this talking about. Is this not talking about Jehovah. And if you go back to verse 21 in their Bible it will say Jehovah that men may tell the name of Jehovah in Zion.
And so you have to establish that this is about Jehovah. And they will agree. Yes this is about Jehovah. Second, this is about how Jehovah is immutable, he is unchanging. The creation grows old. Jehovah does not change.
Jehovah is immutable. Could this be said of any creature. They will say no. Only Jehovah is unchanging. You've got to establish that first. Say well in light of that then could you turn with me and look with me at Hebrews chapter 1.
Hebrews chapter 1. You will find these words. Hebrews chapter 1. Now you can start farther back if you want. If you want to start back at verse 8 that's ok. Because there it says. But of the son he says your throne of God is forever and ever.
And a righteous scepter is the scepter of his kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hate losses. Therefore God your God is the one you do it with the oil and blood of his blood. The point is to establish who is being addressed.
Their translation doesn't call Jesus. God don't argue about it. We'll get back to that later. The point is verse 10 then says. And and who's still being addressed. The son. The son is being addressed.
And it says you Lord beginning with the foundation of the earth the heavens were your hands and the earth is where you remain. You'll be humbled by the garment. And your hand will be pulled up. Your garment will also change.
You're the same and your years will not come to an end. And these words are addressed to the son the son. Now they've already agreed. Psalm 102 25 -27 is only about God and cannot be accomplished. Now what's going to happen in the vast majority of instances is there's going to be that this awkward moment of silence.
Now at that point you have a decision. If you're into this because you want to whip out your theological sword and get it bloodied by skewering some Jehovah's Witnesses then this is the time to whip it out and say well what about it Mr. Cultist and savage our people a little bit.
If you force them to come up with an answer they'll come up with an answer. It may be the dumbest thing they've ever said. But they may go to their grave defending it. When you show someone something they've never seen before you know let's say you show a Mormon.
Isaiah 44 -24. Jehovah does this all along. I thought he was sitting down in company with Michael Bioli. You may have never seen that before in their life. And there is that awkward moment. What you've got to do is you've got to take advantage of that awkward moment and do this now.
I can't expect you to give me an answer to that. I've never seen that before. But first could you take a look at it and get back to me on that. And secondly could I show you one other verse like that.
I've never had a Jehovah's Witness. Say that now I am now given them the freedom and in fact made it incumbent upon them to think through these things. And I've released the pressure because normally you're talking to a Jehovah's Witness with another Jehovah's Witness present.
And even if they were troubled by it even if they were interested by it they could never express that with the other Witness. So you've got to take that pressure off. If you're going to accomplish anything in this situation and I've never had one of them say no I'm not going to do it.
So what you do is you now block yourself a second opportunity. And where would I go. I would go to John chapter 12. John chapter 12. If you're already familiar with these things. I hope it's just a good review for you.
But this is one that a lot of people just don't know about. Just don't see John chapter 12 the end of Jesus' public ministry and the Greeks who come seeking Jesus. It says in verse 37 these things Jesus spoke and he went away and hid himself from them.
But though he performed so many signs before them yet they were not believing in him. This was fulfilled in the word of Isaiah in Proverbs he spoke Lord who is the leader of your court and who is the arm of the Lord over your people.
This reason they could not believe for Isaiah said again he has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts. So they could not see with their eyes and see with their heart and be converted. These things Isaiah said because he saw his glory and he spoke it.
Now normally we read this section we're so struck with the judgment element that we just go skipping right over. An incredible statement. Did you catch it. Verse 39. It's just short little words. For this reason I'm sorry verse 49 these things Isaiah said because he saw his glory and he spoke it.
Huh. What's that about. Well there are two texts cited immediately above. One's from Isaiah 53. One's from Isaiah 6. And in Isaiah 6 Isaiah sees the Lord upon his throne. Remember that's when he is commissioned for his work as a prophet.
Now I'll tell you a quick story when I was writing my book on the trinity thankfully I had to deal with a man by the name of Rick Stafford. Stafford is a former Jehovah's Witness. Now at the time he was a Jehovah's Witness.
He had his own cult called Witnessing Yahweh not the best marketing tool that's ever been. And his argumentation the argumentation defined by a lot of Unitarians today is that what verse 41 is referring to is back to Isaiah 53.
Because that's the first one cited they realize what this text might be saying. Because if this is Isaiah 6 then what is John saying if the immediate reference is Isaiah said these things Isaiah 6 because he saw his glory, Jesus' glory and he spoke of him.
When did Isaiah see God's glory? When did Isaiah see God? Isaiah 6. Who did he see? Jehovah. So if you ask Isaiah, Isaiah who's glory did you see? I saw Jehovah's glory. If you ask John who's glory did he see?
I saw Jesus' glory. Well because I had to deal with staffers I decided to take a look at the Greek Septuagint. Now what's the Greek Septuagint? The Greek Septuagint is the Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament.
And it would have been the Bible that John's audience would have been utilizing. And guess what? Do you know.
The Greek Old Testament? No I don't know because you probably read the footnote. Bill are you familiar with this? Ok. You're going to love this. This is. I love the Greek Septuagint. I love the Greek Septuagint.
There's a technical barrier.
In Isaiah 6 .1 between the Hebrew and the Greek Septuagint remember John's audience. What are they going to read? John's last gospel to read all of his citations of the Old Testament come from the Greek Septuagint because he's writing to the Greek audience why would you be quoting the Hebrew when they don't have access quoting from the Greek translation of the Old Testament.
And there's a barrier in Isaiah 6 .1. Now remember what Isaiah 6 .1 says. In most of our Bible translations it says I saw the Lord locked Him with it up and the train of His robe was filling the temple.
Guess what the Greek Septuagint says I saw the Lord locked Him with it up and His glory was filling the temple. What was the very thing that according to the Greek Septuagint of Isaiah 6 .1 Isaiah actually saw, he saw the glory of Jehovah and so every person using the Greek Septuagint reads John 12 .41 and goes I know what he's talking about and I know what he's doing, he's identifying Jesus as Jehovah.
So once again you get to show those two and I remember very well a gentleman who left the Watchtower Society many years ago he said these words he said you can argue forever and ever as whether he's a god or a god if he's Jehovah all the rest of it doesn't matter if he's Jehovah it's over and so being able to demonstrate that Jesus is identified as Jehovah vitally important I mean it really is for anyone any of these groups a central central plank of demonstration of that third foundation of the Trinity, the equality and co-examination of personality.
Let me just mention briefly in passing once you recognize these things then when you see the ease with which the New Testament writers speak of Father, Son and Spirit just you know the benediction at the end of 2 Corinthians Ephesians talking about one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
When you during this how often for example Paul will talk about the Spirit of Christ the Spirit of God, just going between the two just so easily. What we're seeing is these New Testament writers are not trying to lay something out that's new they are speaking from the experiences theirs of the Incarnation of the Son the outpouring of the Holy Spirit if you want to read one of the best discussions of this and I am greatly indebted to this source for again back now in the seminary finding so much insight but B .B. Warfield's material on the Trinity is wonderful and he has some excellent material.
It's a very short article that he has that really lays a lot of things out. He's got a great book called the Son of God by B .B. Warfield on the New Testament we carry it out with me. But once you grasp what the central doctrines are then you can start seeing that the evidence for the Deity of the Spirit in Israel is found in the association that is so easy and so easily made by the New Testament writers they don't have to emphasize these things because they are now experiencing these so very fast time I realize that again there is so much that I hope you will be encouraged to consider.
So let me just close with this. I said at the beginning that I believe our worship is severely degraded. If we do not understand the God of worship we can hear this in the prayers of people in church we need to come alongside people who will pray oh dear heavenly father thank you so much for coming and dying for us.
It wasn't the father who died it was the son. When you can hear modalism in the very prayers you know there is confusion in the heart of that individual and this is why it is important, aside from the worship aside from the fact that we should have a clarity of thought in our worship the gospel is committed.
It finds it's origin in the father. It's out work in the son it's application in the spirit. And if there is confusion as to the relationship of the persons then there is going to be a lessening of our amazement and for example the humility of the son that he makes himself of no reputation.
Remember Philippians 2 he makes himself of no reputation, that's a reflexive problem, this is something Jesus does, it's not done to Jesus he actually does it himself talk about condescension.
Talk about demonstration of.
Love, but at the same time.
One of the major pastoral problems among Christians is that.
We think Jesus is the nice guy that comes along and sort of calms down the real mean spirited father, the spirit just wants the father just wants to sack us with lightning bolts and treat us like the Amorites and throw hailstones from heaven and Jesus comes along and he's the real nice guy and he makes the father sort of put up on us, that's how a lot of people view Christ.
The text of violence, that is not in any way shape or form, you read Ephesians chapter 1 and the very origin and source of all of our spiritual blessings and the great love with which we are loved is from the father and if we don't understand the doctrine.
Of the Trinity, the gospel.
Atonement, the purpose that God is accomplishing in this world the very foundation and bedrock that ties it all together is lost to us. It's lost to us. I love the Trinity because it is divine revelation.
And it amazes me given given how cavalier I can be with the truth of God given how I can live my life so often focused upon myself and not upon God that God knowing me and knowing you still in love and condescension and grace took the time to draw aside the very veil of eternity and reveal Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to you and I so that we can worship you.
These texts we have looked at this evening. God did not have to reveal these things. He chose to do so out of love out of grace. You and I should rejoice absolutely rejoice. God has been so kind and so good to reveal Himself to us.
We do not wish it. He has made Himself known and therefore we show ourselves never more arrogant or foolish than when we ignore the revelation that He has given to us to come up with our own ideas. I love the truth as revealed in Scripture.
It reveals to me who the God I am to serve and worship.
Truly is that's great indeed our gracious.
Heavenly Father we thank you for your word and we thank you for the revelation that you have preserved for us the revelation that it gives of your purposes who you are. Lord we recognize that we live in a world that would think that the time we spent this evening was a time of foolishness and was wasted.
Lord we know that as we have opened your word and considered these things our true desire has been to know to know our God better that we might worship in the spirit of truth we might understand the biblical revelation of the gospel what we've been called to do.
We thank you for the freedom that we continue to have to speak about these things. We know that there are many who would like to take that freedom away but you continue to grant it to us.
And we thank you for it.
Help us remember these things give us opportunity to bear witness of that truth bring these things to Christ. We thank you again for being with us this evening. Just a couple of notes in the Protestant Reformation.
One of the great divisions between the Lutherans and the Reformed was that for Martin Luther and the Lutherans the central issue of the Protestant Reformation was solitary death justification by grace alone through faith alone.
The Reformed understood that this was a doctrine. This was a doctrine that the church did rise and fall over. But they understood that it was not the fundamental issue with Rome. The fundamental issue was idolatry by the Mormonism.
The fundamental problem is not works righteousness because works righteousness makes perfect sense if your God is one among a multitude of gods and an exalted man who is separated from you only by time and exaltation.
A God who is the one true and living God who the heavens of heavens can't contain. A God who needs Isaiah to declare woe is me for I am undone. That is a God who makes sense of biblical grace because God is holy.
Sin is awful. The fall was not a fall upward rather it was treason that destroyed us. Man is not simply making mistakes and working out his free agency but rather he is a slave to sin and dead in his trespasses and sins.
And grace is the only thing that makes sense. Tomorrow night we're going to be looking at something on which we can fully agree with Martin Luther that God is God he is sovereign over everything and that the only reason that we believe is that God has had mercy and that he raises the dead to life again.
We invite you to come back and join us for that. If you'd like more information on this congregation. If you are not part of the Solid Bible Believing Church we invite you to. We have some materials around.
I'll be around as well as our ruling elders here. We'd be happy to speak with you if you are part of the Bible Believing Church we covet your prayers and look forward to other activities with you. We're very thankful for those that might not fully agree with us tomorrow night have some free mobile access with us and we give thanks because of because of in 21st century America there are not many people who tremble at God's word as a Calvinist.
I know what a mess I am and so I'm not looking for perfection. I hope y 'all really aren't looking for it from me. There are some light refreshments. We have some pink lemonade, some cookies and other things, please stick around.
It was a joy last night to fellowship with people we have never met before. So hope to see you back tomorrow night. The following night, Dr. White will be preaching on Sunday. He'll actually be doing Sunday school 9 .45, worship I'll be preaching at 11 and then service at 5 .30.
We're going to be having a covered dish that evening where we pop up where the non-southerners and the bunch may invite you to come and eat with us. It'll be nice if you brought food as well or else we may literally head over to the grills.
But anyway our pleasure to have you. And please, let's give our thanks to Dr. White.