Thousands Saved. Let's Save More Together.

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December 19, 2019

Brothers and sisters, since we started, thousands of lives have been saved. Thousands. Nearly 500 local churches have been raised up to do this work, together. Churches have begun the process of demanding immediate justice. You did this with us. Please consider joining us again in 2020 to end it, once and for all. We received a generous promise to match donations up to 450k by two generous families. Help us to make this goal and match this promise. Be a part of lives being saved, churches being raised up to minister in this area, and the full and final end. Please share with your friends!

00:00: Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now. Just a few short years ago,
00:05: God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the
00:14: United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon Scripture, the
00:24: Word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.
00:30: We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.
00:39: We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.
00:51: We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.
00:59: Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,
01:08: God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the
01:23: United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the
01:32: United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.
01:43: At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.
01:50: Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what
01:57: God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.
02:18: We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary
02:24: Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.
02:38: This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.
02:55: Through your partnership with EndAbortionNow in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.
03:17: You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.
03:29: You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the
03:38: United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the
03:47: United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.
03:54: It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.
04:11: You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.
04:23: In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year.
04:29: And we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019. We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning.
04:38: In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us. Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year we pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.
05:20: That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.
05:27: 2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all of those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.
05:46: Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.
05:53: All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.
06:04: So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.
06:21: Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.
06:27: Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.
07:44: Good afternoon, honorable representatives. My name is Desiree Mays. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, a local resident, a wife, a mother, and a member of Apologia Church.
07:53: I come here today with the blessing of my pastors and the support of my husband and family. This week, our country celebrated
08:00: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. And as you know, Dr. King had a dream, a dream that our nation would recognize that all people were created equal.
08:09: Well, that dream is dead for nearly 60 million people. Since Roe v. Wade, nearly 60 million babies have been murdered.
08:17: So that means every day for the past 46 years, children have been executed in our country, in our neighborhoods, all in broad daylight.
08:26: This type of oppression is difficult to even wrap our minds around. You may have bought into the pro -choice mantra, her body, her choice.
08:35: Well, that ignorant, unscientific argument has been debunked for decades. So I'm here today not to talk about her body, but I'm here to talk about the body inside of her body.
08:46: The body that has his or her own separate and unique DNA, fingerprints, mind, and soul.
08:52: Through modern ultrasound technologies and through medical advancement, everybody knows the baby in the womb is an actual living person at conception.
09:02: Science tells us this, and more importantly, God tells us this through his word. God also tells us that every single child is a gift to his or her parents.
09:11: Regardless of the circumstances surrounding your conception, whether you were planned or unplanned by your parents, whether you were wanted or unwanted, whether you were born into poverty or wealth, whether you were born healthy or with special needs, whatever the circumstances were, each of you were a gift to your parents, as is every single child in the womb of their mother.
09:36: Every single one of these lives like yours is precious and deserves the same protection as any other person made in the image of God.
09:44: As a mother, I began to think that sometime in the not -so -distant future, while looking back at this grim era in history, our children and grandchildren might ask us, what were you doing?
09:56: Where was everybody? So I come here today to plead with you to use your power to do something.
10:03: God has sovereignly placed each of you in the positions that you're in, and now is the time to do your duty and stand up for what is right.
10:11: Arizona already has a current law in the books that criminalizes abortion. Why are we not enforcing this?
10:19: Ignore Roe and uphold AZ Statute 13 -3603.
10:25: Don't be ruthless tyrants like New York. Be courageous and help Arizona to be the first in this country to be on the right side of history by protecting the most defenseless among us.
10:37: I know I speak for a whole army of other Christians when I say this needs to end now. We will not stop fighting and bothering you all until this monstrous, barbaric practice of legalized abortion ends, and we are teaching our children to do the same.
11:09: I was born in Las Vegas, and some of my best, favorite, most emotional, intimate memories are from when
11:25: I was a little boy, and I would go to visit family in Las Vegas, and I remember distinctly, really distinctly, always flying into Las Vegas at nighttime.
11:41: And I remember looking out the window of the airplane always as a little boy. My favorite moment was when we were coming into Las Vegas, and you could see just darkness, but this city lighting up everything.
11:56: And I remember as a little boy just thinking how glorious it looked and how beautiful and amazing, and I was in awe of this city that I was born in.
12:07: And I remember the feeling of just seeing just pure darkness and this light just lighting up the darkness.
12:17: And to this day, whenever I'm traveling or doing ministry and we get to come through Vegas, one of my favorite things to do is to come into Las Vegas at nighttime and see the lights lighting everything up.
12:32: And it's amazing, too, because if you look around this incredible spectacle in the desert, you see just the lights and the veneer, but underneath the surface of all of this is this intense idolatry, rebellion, and opposition.
12:58: You see here is a city that is called, what, Sin City.
13:04: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. That's the motto, right? People come here from all over the world.
13:11: I mean, you walk down the streets here just tonight, you can hear accents from all over the world,
13:16: Ireland, Scotland, England, Africa, everywhere. I mean, it's all represented on the street here.
13:23: And people come here from all over the world to party, to engage in the pursuit of pleasure.
13:32: It's underneath all of this, all of the lights in darkness here is just a veneer.
13:37: It's just on the surface. And underneath it is this intense rebellion and pursuit of pleasure.
13:44: There is the pursuit of drugs and alcohol and sex, sex without consequences, only it has a tremendous amount of consequences.
13:56: Underneath all of this sex without consequences, the idolatry of sexual immorality is the consequence of life, the beauty of life, the forming of a new life.
14:09: And in this town, in this city with no consequences and where what happens here stays here, you have the consequence of all of the sexual immorality and all the rest.
14:21: And you have the consequence, which is really glorious consequence. And that's life, the beauty of life.
14:28: And in this town, you have Planned Parenthood and the abortion facilities that actually address the consequences of what happens here, stays here.
14:40: And you have children every single day in the city and in the state that are killed as a result of this kind of a lifestyle.
14:49: And it's really an amazing blessing to see that since God formed
14:55: End Abortion Now through Apologia Church, we have churches in Nevada and in Las Vegas who are bringing the gospel into this city in the darkness, into the context of the pursuit of pleasure, the gospel to the abortion mill, saving lives.
15:16: It's incredible, actually, when you think about that experience I had as a little boy flying into the darkness and then seeing this city in the darkness, lighting up the darkness.
15:30: It's really actually how Jesus describes the church, is that that's our mission.
15:37: Our mission is to be salt. Salt is a preservative. It actually stops things from spoil and decay.
15:44: It's not just to make things taste better. It's to stop things from spoil and decay and rot.
15:50: And Jesus says that we're the light of the world. We're the ones that actually set light into darkness and light dispels darkness.
15:57: And that really is the mission of the church in the world. People ask the question, should we be involved in bringing the gospel in the area of abortion?
16:05: I mean, isn't it enough just to be pro -life within the walls of the church and pro -life between our ears and in our homes?
16:11: Is that enough? And the answer is no, not according to Jesus in his most famous sermon.
16:17: He calls us to be salt that actually stops things from spoil and decay, and he calls us to be light that dispels the darkness.
16:24: We're supposed to be, as the church, the city in darkness, that when people actually look into the world and all the darkness in the world, it's the people of God that are lighting up the darkness.
16:37: We're supposed to be that incredible spectacle in the desert, this wasteland of lostness and sin in the world.
16:45: We're supposed to be that amazing spectacle of light that is just blazing out of the darkness and dispelling the darkness.
16:54: That's the mission of the church. And you can be a part of it. We actually have lights right now in the desert bringing the gospel into the area of abortion.
17:05: And you can actually sign up, your church, and bring the gospel into conflict with abortion, and you can save lives.
17:13: Just a couple of days ago, we learned about four lives saved just in one morning. Thousands of lives have been saved.
17:20: You can be a part of being that light and that salt. Just go to endabortionnow .com
17:27: and you can get your church signed up for free, get free training and get free resources to be a part of the mission of the church, to be that light in the darkness, to be that salt that stops things from spoil and decay, and to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.
17:43: You can sign up right now for free. Free training, free resources, everything is given away to your local church.
17:50: Just go to endabortionnow .com. And yet, it is the supporters of the murder of children who are hiding, who are hiding, who refuse to engage in conversation.
18:14: What's that? I encourage you to turn from your sin, ma 'am. Turn to Christ.
18:22: This is amazing. Look what just was on the back of that car. Did you see the back of her car? That's amazing.
18:28: You know what it said on the back of that car? It said, Black Lives Matter. That's hogwash.
18:36: You lie. You lie. She is a liar.
18:41: Black Lives Matter? Really? Is that why you guys are supporting an institution and a practice that kills more black lives than anything?
18:52: You are a hypocrite. All of you are hypocrites. You pretend to care about social justice.
18:59: You say that you're woke. You're dead. You're not awake. You're dead.
19:04: You're liars. Black lives don't matter to you. You hate black people.
19:11: You are standing outside of an institution that kills more black people than anyone.
19:20: And you pretend to be woke. You pretend to love black people. You hate black men and women.
19:27: You hate them. You hate their children. You support an industry that is wiping out the black population.
19:36: Do you know that black people now are in a tougher position to propagate as black people because of your institution?
19:46: You lie. You are hypocrites. Amazing. The hypocrisy is astonishing.
19:55: It truly is. It's an incredible thing.
20:05: In these moments, we've been out here telling you about the bankruptcy of your system and one of your own drives out with a full display of the hypocrisy and bankruptcy we were all pointing to all along.
20:22: Black lives matter. Unbelievable. That level of hypocrisy is astonishing.
20:32: The one thing I would never do as a Planned Parenthood supporter is put a Black Lives Matter sticker on my car.
20:41: I wouldn't want to leave with that kind of self -refutation. I wouldn't want to leave with that kind of self -refutation hanging on the back of me everywhere
21:02: I went. Can you guys think through that? I really mean that humbly.
21:09: It needs to be refuted vigorously, but I mean it humbly. Can you guys consider the hypocrisy of carrying
21:17: Black Lives stickers on your car while you support an institution that is slaughtering black people?
21:28: Isn't it interesting that so many abortion mills just happen to be set up within the black communities in our cities?
21:39: Isn't it interesting that your death camps just happen to be in the areas where there's a lot of single, unwed black mothers?
21:53: Isn't it interesting that you are very, very profitable in the areas where there's the most black people pregnant?
22:07: If I'm lying, I'm dying, ladies. All you need to do is look it up. Check out the demographics of your industry.
22:16: Check out where they set up. They set up outside of college campuses with young women who get pregnant in college.
22:26: They set up outside of lower -income areas, unfortunately, with many black women.
22:36: And that's where your profit comes from. Your industry is paid through Black Lives Don't Matter.
22:46: And it's truly incredible to me. It's incredible that white people would be pretending black lives matter all while you guide the black lives in to be slaughtered.
23:01: This kind of foolishness can only come from a foundation that is so corrupt.
23:11: The only answer is this is just sin. You are made in the image of God, and that's what you need to hear from us today, is you are as important to us, as valuable, as worthy of dignity, even with your corrupt industry, as the babies you are guiding in to there right now.
23:34: We care for you like we care for the children that you are leading to the slaughter.
23:43: You are loved by us. My confrontation of your disgraceful perspective is not a hatred for you.
23:56: It is the love for God and love for you that motivates us to come out here today to reach you with the truth.
24:06: We want you to know God and be forgiven and have the grace of God above you, below you, around you.
24:14: We want you to know the forgiveness and freedom and love that you can have in Jesus Christ as a gift by God's grace through faith in Jesus.
24:26: The call is to turn from your sin to trust in Jesus Christ for forgiveness and salvation.
24:32: That's the call. That's why we're here today. We're not just here for the children that we pray
24:38: God has mercy on and they are saved and delivered from this place. We're not just here for the mothers and fathers.
24:45: We are also here to reach out in love for you, and we pray that you know
24:55: Jesus, that you would know him as Savior and Lord, that you'd experience the joy of salvation and life.
25:03: Nobody out here on this sidewalk deserves the grace of God that we have or his love.
25:10: This is a gift of God's grace that he's brought us to himself, but we are here today as his children pleading with you to know
25:21: God to save those children. What's up, guys?
25:29: Welcome, welcome, welcome. Very important announcement. Quick announcement for everybody today. Thank you all for joining us. We have been very, very excited to have this accomplished and very excited to be able to announce it to everybody, and the day is finally here.
25:42: So this is Luke the Bear. What up? I'm Jeff, the Covenant Ninja. That is Zach right there. Hey. Zach is the
25:49: Director of Communications for End Abortion Now, and we have very big news for everybody. So stay with us. This is big, big stuff.
25:55: We've been working on this now for months, and it is finally here. We wanted to be able to have a place, a landing spot for people across the
26:04: United States of America and really everywhere to be able to communicate with each other together over the issue of engaging the issue of abortion with the gospel and once and for all ending it, and so we wanted to create a platform to do that.
26:18: It's finally all done, and so, Zach, could you tell everybody what that looks like? This is a way for everybody who's watching right now to get connected to the ministry here and to be able to communicate with each other and to work together, and it's a quick way.
26:31: If something happens, we can immediately talk to each other and get at it together, right? So help us with that. What does it look like?
26:36: I think that's the most important thing when we're talking about how do we mobilize the church together?
26:41: So all the churches that are underneath the banner of End Abortion Now, up until now, we haven't really had an environment where all of these different people that are involved can come in, link up with one another, connect with each other, encourage each other, support each other, and we can get mobilized together to be going towards the same objective or the same goal together with each other.
27:00: Up until now, we just haven't had the ability to do that in this way this quickly. So with the coalition, when you join, you go to the website, you join, you're brought into a platform with local church members and even people that aren't a part of a local church but are still brought into this environment.
27:20: Let's say it's someone who has experience working on legislation for abortion and they're working on a bill in a certain state and they need other people on board or you want to ask questions about, okay, what would that look like in my state?
27:32: How do we do that? How do we get behind something like that? Can you give us tips about how to duplicate that process here? Those kinds of questions, those kinds of scenarios, this environment, what it's designed to do is give us a place where we can come together and really mobilize effectively and fight really and I guess maybe throw a heavier punch together because now we can talk to each other.
27:54: Right. And now we have a way to get on board with each other quickly and move in the same direction. That's right. So endabortionnow .com is where you guys can all go to get your church linked up with us and under the banner of End Abortion Now where you can get free training, you can get free resources, you can get equipped from us on how to actually engage this issue to go out to the abortion models to save children and to go to your local legislature to demand immediate justice for the pre -born.
28:19: Right now we have about 400 local churches across the United States of America and around who are actually engaging this issue consistently biblically and saving lives.
28:29: Thousands of children have been saved through this ministry. You can be a part of it too with your local church. But now this is the next stage.
28:36: One of the things that we're dropping actually, by the way, in the next week or so, probably a couple of days, we're dropping a special video that I created for everybody who is a part of End Abortion Now to train you on how to start your own media ministry.
28:48: We knew that this ministry has to be much bigger than Apology of Church. We're grateful to God that he's given us such an amazing platform and ability to reach and to equip and to train so many churches.
28:58: We're grateful to God for that. But we knew that it had to actually include other churches as well. You guys need to start your own media ministries to spread the word like Apology of Church.
29:08: And so I created for everybody who is already a part of EndAbortionNow .com, special video training.
29:13: More is coming after that on how you can start your own media ministry. I teach you how to do it. And that's free training for everybody who's part of Apology's ministry,
29:23: End Abortion Now. So everything's given away to all these churches. And for those of you guys that gave towards the ministry of End Abortion Now the last couple of years,
29:30: I want to say grateful to God for you. And this is the fruit of your labor. So please know that. It's the fruit of your labor.
29:36: What's happening right now, you are a part of, and we mean that. So we promised these things to everybody, and now they're all coming out piece by piece, and God's doing big things.
29:45: But it's free training, free resources for all the churches, free media training now, how to start your own media ministry.
29:51: And now we have the coalition ability where everybody can talk. Give an example. Okay, just a quick example of what that looks like for everybody so you can kind of know what we're aiming at here.
30:00: So let's say at the beginning of the year we had something that happened in New York with Governor Cuomo where he actually put something in and works together to get something working in New York where you can kill babies up to birth.
30:12: Now what John Speed did, Pastor John Speed, he owns a bookstore in New York, and he just put a piece of paper on his door, and he said he was closing down for the day in protest and not pay taxes to the state of New York because they're killing babies.
30:25: And so what happened was that went crazy, went all over the country like wildfire. He was all over all the news, all the major media platforms.
30:33: Fox, I think, had him on and just a bunch of other things. So it was a very big deal, but it was also a lot of churches going, okay, guys, where do we go from here?
30:42: So what we were doing is we were actually saying, okay, guys, follow us. It'll look like this. We were in communication with John.
30:48: We were trying to let people know as much as we could. We were going to the legislature. We were putting videos up. Here's what we say.
30:53: Here's how you preach the gospel to them. And we were trying to encourage people really through our platforms, like, guys, here's what's happening.
31:01: Here's what we're doing. And churches followed us into that and started going to the legislature, and they started preaching the gospel to legislatures literally across the
31:08: United States of America. And it's been amazing. I mean, now people are talking about abortion as murder. They're talking about criminalizing abortion, banning abortion across the country.
31:17: Now you have the pro -aborts across the country up in arms actually now talking about the
31:25: Yeah, we weren't having that conversation seven years ago, eight years ago, like we are now.
31:32: So it's the fruit of your labor, brothers and sisters. It's all happening. It's all coming together. And the coalition app now is the ability to talk to each other.
31:41: So if something happens like with John Speed and like the next big push, we're able to get on there together and all talk to each other.
31:48: So if you want to be a part of this, you want to talk to Apologia Church, you want to talk to our people, you want to talk to everybody who's doing this ministry, get on the
31:55: Appy app. Yeah. Get on it, man. Get on it. How do they do it? It's amazing. So what you need to do, what's basically happened already is if you're a church partner with an abortion now, you should have got an email to invite you into it.
32:09: And we need everybody all hands on deck to agree to that and get inside and start interacting with each other.
32:15: I think one of the questions I get the most is, is there a church in my area who is working on this already?
32:21: Can you get me connected to that? Yeah, we've got a ton. The dashboard eliminates that because now you get in there and you're like, okay, there's someone in Dallas Fort Worth that's working on this already or they're going to the mill.
32:29: I'm going to go with them because they're in my area. So those kinds of things are great. Can you, sorry, can you look up areas on that?
32:38: You can look up, yeah, by member and actually search by location and things to find people in your area.
32:44: So dashboard .endabortionnow .com is where you go to request to be added.
32:52: You got to write a little description of why you want to be joined to the coalition. We'll approve you.
32:57: You'll be able to get in there, start interacting. So everyone has access to the mainframe of the coalition and can communicate with one another, church or not.
33:07: But there's a special place. Meaning whether you're a part of a church that's officially linked up with us or not.
33:14: Correct. Yeah. Yeah. If you're a Christian, you're not in a church. Right. Get in a church. Yeah.
33:19: Okay. Go ahead. For sure. And then there's a private place where that's for church partners. You get added to that.
33:25: You know, you click on it. We'll get you in there. And then you have access to the training resources.
33:31: All of those things. You see that in the coalition. Okay. So the front page, the main page is for everybody.
33:36: And then we have the exclusive page for the church partners that you get into. And we can have conversations in there about, you know, things specifically related to the gospel and church activity and coordinating one another as little churches.
33:48: But when you get in, make a profile, say a little bit about yourself, say hello to everyone. You know, it's really like Facebook.
33:55: You can reply to each other. You can comment. And it really is just speedy. One of the things that's really cool about the app is you can get notified with push notifications.
34:04: So, you know, if something is posted in there, you get the notification on your phone. You go, oh, what's going on in Alabama right now?
34:10: Oh, great. We need to jump on this. Let me write this person back. So that's the thing about this. What makes it so neat is it's instant.
34:16: It really removes a lot of the wait time. It was social media. You know, a post goes up and then it takes maybe hours or a few days to mobilize people here.
34:25: I feel like we can do it much quicker because we have the ability to communicate in a way that's really fast. Yeah. That's awesome.
34:31: That is amazing. So what's up, baby lover? Yeah, right. Tell me or tell our audience what's up with that shirt.
34:40: Yeah. So baby lover, new T -shirts and different colors, red, white and black. The story behind the story behind the shirt is actually just something that caught on an apology at church because we were at the mill one day here in Tempe ministering and there was a couple that walked behind me as I was preaching and calling out and they referred to me in a derogatory sense.
35:02: Right. It was, you know, not a compliment. Yeah. They yelled and shouted back at me.
35:07: You baby lover. Yeah. And I just remember at the time being so shocked by that. Like, this is kind of what we've come to in our nation.
35:13: It's a pejorative. A pejorative. People are mocking you or insulting you for loving children.
35:19: Because you were trying to save babies from death and they were like, you baby lover. Right. So I just remember at that time,
35:25: I'll never forget that moment. I just looked back at him and I said, well, what does that make you, sir? You know, and there was no response for that because what's the opposite of a baby lover?
35:34: I mean, someone, they hate children is what it comes down to. It's an issue of the heart. But anyways, that caught on at church and we just started affectionately calling each other baby lover, you know, as kind of a playful thing.
35:46: Yeah. What's up, baby lovers? Yeah. And because we do at Apology Church, we love children. Yeah. You know, we love babies. You come to our church, you see everyone's got kids running around everywhere.
35:53: You trip over kids. Yeah. No matter where you go. I think my wife was estimating we have like 20 some odd babies being born.
36:00: On the way? On the way. By the time 2020 rolls around, we're going to have like 22 new babies, newborns.
36:10: Yeah. Wow. We take seriously what God says. Two of those are yours. As people say, you know, in the way churches work, if your church isn't crying, it's dying.
36:17: That's right. Yeah. So we take that seriously. You know, the Lord. You ever heard that?
36:23: Yeah. Yeah. It's been a long day. Yeah. So children are a blessing. Fruit of the womb is a heritage.
36:29: The Lord requires a godly seed. Baby lover. Bam. There it is. On the shirt. We're going to actually have those shirts up at our shop soon.
36:39: They're coming soon. So it'll be shop .apologyistudios .com. So here's what I'm going to do. I just decided this. I didn't ask you.
36:46: If you're on the app, this is incentive to get the app. We will send you a special coupon code that you get only for the app when the shirts come up.
36:56: So. Yeah. That's fire. That's fire. Yeah. And these shirts are really nice. Really comfy. Yeah.
37:01: Just as a bonus. Get the app. All right, guys. So if you guys are just getting on here, what we're talking about is end abortion now.
37:08: God doing big things. Saving thousands of children. Now Christians going across the country. Now speaking to the local legislature that all started because of your work together with us within abortion.
37:17: Now, it's amazing. It's humbling. It's powerful. God's doing amazing things.
37:22: Conversation across the country now is talking about abortion in terms of murder and in terms of bans and criminalization.
37:28: That is a work of the Christian Church across the United States of America. That's what God is doing with a faithful proclamation of the gospel.
37:35: We have new media training coming up for everybody who is a part of endabortionnow .com. You get free training, free resources.
37:41: Everything is given away to local churches to get involved in this work. But now I've actually just completed video series stuff for you guys to actually learn how to create your own media platforms to start communicating as churches in the same way that we are.
37:53: And so that's all there for endabortionnow .com. It's all coming in the next couple of weeks even.
37:59: Carmen, our director and is the head of everything in the back, he is putting something together for all of you guys to learn how to use the camera equipment and the editing software, how to edit things, how to upload things, all that stuff.
38:12: We're going to train you guys in everything you need. But now we have this next phase. We need to be able to all talk to each other.
38:18: And so that's what this app is for. The coalition is for that. So you guys can get to know each other. You can talk to each other.
38:23: And Zach is exactly right. The big part of this is that when something big happens that we all need to be a part of together, we need to work together on.
38:32: Communication happens on that app, and the coalition gets started. You all work together. That's what it's for. So praise God for everybody who is a part of End Abortion Now right now.
38:40: This is a big deal. It really, truly is. If you are a part of EndAbortionNow .com and you know other churches that also are, please share this video with them.
38:50: Please get the word out to them. We're sending our emails. We're doing everything we can, but some people maybe aren't media savvy.
38:56: They don't spend a lot of time on these platforms, maybe. Make sure they get the word, too. Make sure they know they can be a part of the coalition.
39:03: They can start communicating and talking to each other. This is also an easy way for us to talk to you guys all at once.
39:09: If you are not part of the churches that are already linked up with EndAbortionNow .com, you are still invited to be part of the coalition and start talking.
39:17: But if you are, in particular, a part of the churches that are already a part of End Abortion Now, what's that look like for them?
39:24: It's the same location. Just in the coalition, there's another tab that you go to, and it just says
39:30: Church Partners. Boom. You jump in there, and you can talk to each other. You can make posts in there. It's just like Facebook.
39:35: I mean, what's on your mind or what's going on? Post title. You can attach pictures in there, links, video, maybe a footage at the mill or footage before city council.
39:46: We're always needing things like that to show people. So share that stuff, man. Put it in there, and we'll get it and put it up for the world to see.
39:54: Because that's the amazing thing about this, too, is God's using this kind of activity from churches in the platform to bring other local churches into this.
40:02: Yeah. That's, I think, a key thing is that when this all started, churches started getting involved and actually doing what we were doing because they were hearing us tell our story.
40:11: So we were on Apology Air Radio. We would just say, hey, God saved a baby this Saturday. And then next thing you know, churches are like, well, how do we do it?
40:18: And so that's how it all began. It really started because one church was a testimony to other churches, and then they started going.
40:23: And then same thing happened for the legislature. We went. Next thing you know, other people went.
40:29: And then more people went. And then more people went. And then it was like little kids going up and speaking to their magistrates. What kind of courage is that?
40:35: Amazing. Starting riots. Yeah. Little kids preaching the gospel and, like, you know, a riot breaking out.
40:41: I mean, that's awesome. That's first century acts kind of stuff, y 'all. And I like it. Yeah.
40:46: We couldn't even get that. Yeah, yeah. That kind of reaction. Yeah, that kind of reaction. That's powerful stuff.
40:52: All right, guys. So address one more time, wherever we can go. Dashboard .endabortionnow .com.
40:58: Okay. Simple enough. And if you're not a part of endabortionnow .com right now, if you haven't got your free training and free resources, go talk to your pastors.
41:08: Get them connected. Endabortionnow .com. Get signed up with your local church. We're going to give you free training, free resources.
41:14: We don't want anything from your church. We just want to bless your church. We want to help your church do this work. That's what it's all about.
41:20: And so if you would, get connected. Endabortionnow .com. Thank you guys for watching. Make sure you guys spread this message as far and as wide as you can.
41:30: Shares do make a difference. They do. This isn't about us. It's not about us in any way.
41:36: The message here is what's important. And these shares make a big deal. They change things.
41:42: And so when you share this information, get the word out, it mobilizes the church, and it gets us on our feet.
41:48: So share this content. Make sure you guys get it out as soon as you can. All right, that's Luke DeBear. Peace out. I'm Jeff, and that's
41:53: Zach. See ya. And we'll catch you guys next time. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.
41:59: Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the
42:10: United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon Scripture, the word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.
42:26: We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.
42:35: We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.
42:47: We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.
42:55: Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,
43:04: God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the
43:20: United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the
43:28: United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.
43:39: At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.
43:46: Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission.
43:52: And what God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel and conflict with abortion through media around the globe.
44:14: We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary
44:20: Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.
44:34: This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.
44:51: Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.
45:14: You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.
45:25: You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the
45:34: United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the
45:43: United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.
45:50: It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.
46:07: You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.
46:19: In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year.
46:25: We want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019. We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning.
46:34: In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us. Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year, we pray, that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.
47:16: That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.
47:23: 2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all of those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.
47:42: Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.
47:50: All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.
48:00: So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.
48:17: Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.
48:23: Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.
48:53: Honorable council members, my name is Lauren Walker. I'm 11 years old and a member of Apologia Church. I want to sincerely thank you for the time you have given me to speak today.
49:02: I would like to begin by reminding you that there once was a time in American history when it was legal to own slaves, and racism was commonplace.
49:09: Today we look back on that point in history and think, how could those people have treated other human beings who simply had a different color of skin with such abuse?
49:19: There was also a time in American history when parents slaughtered their own children, and governments did nothing about it.
49:25: That time is now. People are slaughtering their own precious babies, and this council is doing absolutely nothing to stop it.
49:32: There will be a time in human history when people are going to look at this moment with disgust and shame, just as we look back in repulsion on slavery and racism today.
49:43: In fact, John Piper reveals that between 1882 and 1968, 3 ,446 black people were lynched in America.
49:53: Today, more black babies are killed by abortionists every three days than all who were lynched in those years.
50:00: And government is letting it happen. You should be concerned about the legacy you are leaving, but you should be even more concerned about how
50:06: God is going to judge you on Judgment Day. He will judge you by His holy law, the Ten Commandments, the sixth one, which clearly states you shall not murder.
50:16: Pastor and author David Platt warned us to, quote, remember God's character. He is the holy and righteous judge of all, and he hates injustice.
50:25: He detests the taking of innocent life, and he is the judge of all who participate in it. God is the judge of mothers who have aborted babies, fathers who have encouraged abortion, grandparents who have supported abortion, and friends who have advised abortion.
50:39: God is the judge of doctors who have performed abortions, leaders who have permitted abortions, pastors who have counseled people to have abortions, and legislators who have worked to make abortion possible.
50:52: That includes each and every one of you. You will be judged for your inaction on that day, because doing nothing is actually doing something.
51:00: So I urge you to stand against abortion. Fight against it. Do whatever is needed to ensure that Arizona State Law 13 -3603 is enforced.
51:12: Make Phoenix a sanctuary city for the unborn, in order to follow the will of God. Consider the words of Missionary C .T.
51:19: Studd. Too long have we been waiting for one hour to begin. The time for waiting is past. The hour of God has struck.
51:25: War is declared. In God's holy name, let us rise and build. The God of heaven, he will fight for us as we for him.
51:33: And gates and manias of hell shall not prevail against us. So such men as we fear,
51:39: I would like to ask you, council members, with this question. Who do you fear?
51:45: Man or God? God's word tells us in Luke 12 verse 5, but I will show you whom you should fear.
51:52: Fear him, who after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
52:00: Thank you. My name is
52:11: Jennifer Mingus, and I am a sinner saved by grace. I'm a mother of 12, including five very real babies who died before they were born.
52:19: I come before you to talk about one of the most important issues in our country right now. The issue today isn't that there are unwanted pregnancies enslaving women.
52:29: The real tragedy is that children are seen as a burden and not a blessing. Teens and young adults are being taught that having a child will destroy their lives, yet God, the giver of all life, always calls children a blessing.
52:43: They are his image bearers. We as older men and women should be coming alongside young parents and sharing our wisdom and experience and even our resources with them, encouraging them and equipping them to step into the role that God has appointed them to so they can flourish, not paving the way for them to murder their own flesh and blood because their lives are about to change.
53:04: As our God -appointed magistrates, you are to stand for justice and protect the innocent, but you do not.
53:11: Every day thousands of babies are murdered across our country, and Phoenix is no different. In reference to minimum wage, you said you wanted
53:18: Phoenix to be an example, and that is a good thing. But upholding Arizona Statute 13 -3603, defying
53:27: Roe v. Wade, and declaring Phoenix to be a sanctuary city for the pre -born would be an even greater example.
53:34: Maybe you are afraid of the consequences of making the right decision today. Maybe it will cost you everything.
53:40: I implore you, do it anyway. It's always best to follow and obey the
53:45: Lord. Matthew 10 -28 admonishes us, Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul, but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
53:56: I fear for you on that day that God judges your souls. When Cain killed
54:01: Abel, God said in Genesis 4 -10, What have you done? The blood of your brother cries out to me from the ground.
54:10: Can you imagine the din from the voices of the blood of 42 million aborted babies crying out against you?
54:18: I'm sure that you've heard the roar of a football stadium. Now imagine that 600 times louder.
54:24: It will be deafening, and without the blood of Christ atoning for your sinful complicity in the abortion of these babies, you will be defenseless.
54:35: This is the tale of two bloodshed. One will save you on the last day, and one will condemn you.
54:41: No good works you do will offset the weight of the sin you bear. But as powerful as the cries of these murdered babies are against you,
54:49: Jesus is infinitely more able to wash you clean of the children's blood you have bathed in and declare you forgiven before God.
54:56: Repent and believe this day that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and rose again for the forgiveness of sins.
55:03: Thank you. Hello again, honorable representatives of Arizona.
55:16: I come back today to remind you of your duty to uphold justice for the unborn citizens of our state. I appear before you not as a neutral party to this issue, but as a
55:23: Christian standing on the principles of Scripture, which I admit may seem foreign to you. We've all been told that to engage in such behavior is to violate a supposed separation of church and state, a phrase that has been twisted and weaponized by the enemies of my
55:36: Lord to get Christians like me to check their ultimate commitments at the door and enter the public square stripped of their foundation to condemn a moral atrocity like abortion.
55:45: But I will not relinquish my religious foundation in fighting for the lives of these children any more than pro -choice advocates will relinquish their religious commitment to the position that human beings in the womb aren't worthy of our protection because they haven't earned their personhood yet.
55:58: I am more concerned with being faithful to my Lord than looking respectable or reasonable in your sight.
56:04: What's unreasonable is for mothers in our state to think so little of their children as to treat them like disposable waste for their own sakes.
56:12: It is not respectable to pay someone to assassinate your own offspring by having their little bodies sucked out of your body and then discarded under the label of unwanted parasite.
56:21: It is unconscionable to carve up a child and call this act choice, healthcare, or reproductive freedom, which is a euphemism for child murdering rights due to the fact that if a woman is pregnant she has already exercised her right to reproduce.
56:36: This term becomes the thin veneer of pseudo -justice that exclaims it's a righteous thing for them to desire the death of their own children for their sake and the obligation of others like us to ensure that they have the provision to carry it out.
56:49: Such thinking is the basis of violent injustice with the primary victim being the unborn child in the womb who is made in the image of God.
56:56: Respectfully and lovingly to you, leaders of our city, you are required to act and ensure true justice for the true victims of this crime, that is the fatherless children being abandoned by their parents in our state.
57:08: Even if you're sitting here today and you agree with what I'm saying, merely acknowledging the truth that this is murder is not enough.
57:15: You must act to end it completely, not play a political football with the lives of the pre -born neighbors you are commanded to love and defend.
57:22: This council is to be governed by Arizona revised statutes and setting city policy and passing rules and regulations.
57:30: Therefore, I am pleading with you to pass no new law, but to recognize and enforce existing
57:35: Arizona state law, revised statute 13 -3603. If you do not, the only ones that suffer as a result will be babies in our state that are systematically and brutally murdered under your watch.
57:49: Thank you so much again for your time. Go to andabortionnow .com for more details. How do you describe abortion?
58:02: Well, in the United States right now, since Roe versus Wade, we've had about 60 million children die via abortion, the abortion industry.
58:14: One of the organizations, Planned Parenthood, kills about a thousand children every single day in our country.
58:20: There's about 3 ,000 children who die every single day in our communities across the
58:29: United States. And they're killed through abortion. There's a number of different ways that you can take the life of your child in our country through abortion.
58:39: You can kill your child via a pill. They have medical means of abortion through a pill that you take into your body, and it ultimately kills your child through a medication.
58:54: There's also means of abortion that are most common in terms of the surgical abortion, where the doctor goes into the woman and essentially pulls the little boy or little girl apart, limb from limb.
59:12: So sharp instruments and tools are forced into the woman to tear the child into pieces, literally into pieces.
59:21: There's blood on our hands, on our hands, on our hands. They're murdered on our watch, in our city, in our lands.
59:28: At the point of conception, DNA is in their strands. But we kill them anyway, trade our children for our plans.
59:35: It's sad to see these dads who refuse to be a man. We'll kill their own son, what was done to son of man.
59:42: I'm mad at the world, but I'm feeling like a hypocrite In my past I was militant, apart from God I'd kill my kids.
59:49: We're living in his lies, a righteous God rightly judging us. Suppressed and rejected in a self -inflicted genocide.
59:56: I search inside the scriptures for the answers to the reason why. The wickedness within our hearts, the root of where the sin lies.
01:00:03: Die to self, lose your life, follow Christ as sacrifice. Short term pain, eternal gain, count the cost, he paid the price.
01:00:10: He did it all, what can a dead man do to hear the call? Abort his mission, keep on wishing. Bishop in a man is
01:00:16: God. Our nation is killing children every single day.
01:00:24: Our hearts are wicked, deceiving, and need to change.
01:00:31: Oh Lord we need you now, please hear us crying out.
01:00:37: So many babies being murdered that we're losing count.
01:00:44: 60 million murdered in a country that's a scary count. Wombs become a death camp, trash can a burial.
01:00:51: American holocaust, more than all the soldiers lost in every single war. It's an era marked in gore.
01:00:58: The innocent defenseless, babies being torn limb from limb. And you're angry about a gospel call.
01:01:04: We aren't loving, well you never even went at all. What is love? The God above gave his life to rescue us.
01:01:11: Now we must surrender trust, speak in truth, and act in love. Silence is a sign that we fear a man instead of God.
01:01:18: Oddly enough, we keep adding on commandments. Thou shalt be kind, tolerant, and not offensive.
01:01:25: In other words, defenseless. Just smile wide and wish him well, say God bless him. So they'll think you're swell as they head to hell.
01:01:32: I fell into deception early on in my Christian walk. Perception of evangelism was live it out and never talk.
01:01:39: Our nation is killing children every single day.
01:01:46: Our hearts are wicked, deceiving, and need to change.
01:01:53: Oh Lord we need you now. Please hear us crying out.
01:01:59: So many babies being murdered that we're losing count.
01:02:06: I have one church. Friends went to their church. We'd like to start going to the mill. And the pastor said, well we're really excited about that.
01:02:12: But we have one question. Is it safe? And they came back and said, what do we tell them? And I said, tell them no.
01:02:19: Tell them it's not safe. Tell them they may get spit at. Tell them they may get hit.
01:02:25: Tell them they may get soaked with the sprinkler system. Tell them they may get arrested even though they didn't break any laws.
01:02:31: And tell them if they don't go, babies will die and souls will end up in hell.
01:02:37: That's far more dangerous. We need to stop being middle class
01:02:43: American sissies. And we need to be willing to fight faithfully with the gospel to save souls and unborn babies.
01:02:54: We need to be willing to take risks. We need to be willing to look like not respectable members of society.
01:03:01: Our nation is killing children every single day.
01:03:08: Our hearts are wicked, deceitful, and need to change.
01:03:15: Oh Lord, we need you now. Please hear us crying now.
01:03:26: We're losing count. We're losing count.
01:06:37: We're losing count. We're losing count. That was a good job of keeping me hydrated. Oh, right on.
01:06:44: Nothing special. Okay, alright. It looks normal on my hands. A lot of stuff been happening lately.
01:06:50: You recently got back from the island of Kauai doing a mission in Kauai. How was that? Man, where do you even begin?
01:06:57: Kauai is such a unique place. Honestly, people just don't realize what it's like to try and engage people there.
01:07:05: What the culture's like. How different it is. How difficult it is. To be a part of the church plant there, to go there to preach, to offer support to the team, and then just to come into conflict with a high concentration of a lot of spiritual stuff going on in that region.
01:07:22: A lot of occultism. Occultism. All the cults are just in a highly concentrated area, so it makes for interesting outreaches, a lot of conflict.
01:07:32: You feel like the scriptures really come to life in a lot of ways that you haven't experienced before.
01:07:37: That was encouraging after the initial shock of coming into contact with that.
01:07:44: Dark things going on there, but after you realize what's happening, go back to the Word of God, find out that without conflict, there's no growth, but there's a level of confirmation within your calling as a
01:07:58: Christian when you come up against that, and you meet that, and you're there with the Word of God, and God supplies the power by His Spirit to work through you.
01:08:06: That's what I feel like He did in a big, big way for us. We're very excited about what God's doing. We lost you for about three weeks to send you on that mission to do work, and it's very, very hard to do that mission out there, very, very hard.
01:08:17: It's exhausting, and so you're back now, but a lot's been happening since you've been away across the country with what we're doing with End Abortion Now.
01:08:25: The whole focus of next week with Jeff Durbin, this show, is obviously to engage cultural issues, but the bottom line and foundation of this show and the purpose of it is to really engage the issue of abortion in a meaningful way and to bring all of you with us.
01:08:39: Right now, we have over 300 churches. We have approximately 328 local churches.
01:08:45: 328 local churches. How many have you added since January? A lot. Yes. We've had a ginormous push this year alone, and obviously, there's some things surrounding that, events,
01:08:56: End Abortion Now, Babies Are Murdered Here, kind of getting into the mainstream conversation with things from friends that have just taken bold stands in getting it out there.
01:09:04: Now, we're seeing a lot, and it's from all over. It's not from any one area. I mean, all over the
01:09:09: United States, more churches from Australia, awesome Praise God moment. While we're on Kauai, I got a word that End Abortion Now and the message made it to South Africa, and so South Africa, I mean, all these different places outside of just our sphere.
01:09:25: Was there a save in South Africa? Yes, there was two children saved. As a result of that, and I have the same people emailing me today saying, hey, what kind of equipment do you use out there?
01:09:35: Help us with materials. What kind of microphone do you use? Do you guys use cameras? Send us that. We want to know.
01:09:40: Other people emailing us stuff about, hey, we want to begin the process of capturing the footage out there.
01:09:46: What material, what equipment do you use? And by the way, now that you're on that subject, I want everyone to know right now a very important thing.
01:09:52: We know that it has to be more than Apology of Church engaged in this cultural conversation with the gospel. It has to be the Church of Jesus Christ encompassing local churches across the world.
01:10:01: And so what we felt led to do was to equip churches and get them ready for this fight to do what we're doing, both,
01:10:07: I'd say, at the abortion mill, in the cultural conversation at large, in the public square, online with media ministry developed by these churches themselves, and to engage at the legislature itself.
01:10:18: So one of the things that we promised for this year that is underway right now is that we are developing a curriculum that is going to be made available to all of our churches that are connected to us to actually help you to develop and create your own media ministry just like Apology of Church.
01:10:33: This isn't about us. We are one spoke in the wheel, and we are trying to get more spokes involved and turn that wheel.
01:10:41: But it's interesting, so we're going to do that and make sure that's available to all the churches. So you go to endabortionnow .com, get connected with your church.
01:10:47: I wanted to say this quickly. We're not talking about 328 Christians across the country. We're talking about 328 local churches who are committed now to go and save lives and to follow under the banner of the gospel in conflict with abortion.
01:11:01: The gospel. Not pro -life narrative, not neutrality, but the Christian message in conflict with abortion.
01:11:08: That's what this is all about. But what is awesome, too, is it wasn't just South Africa. We also got a message from Northern Ireland that people who are connected to End Abortion Now had a save in Northern Ireland.
01:11:19: No, Southern Ireland. And then I just got a message before the show started from a Christian in Australia who now his church is engaged in this, and he messaged me and said,
01:11:29: Hey, can you do a quick video to talk to my church? I'm going to present it to my whole church on Sunday. So this is literally becoming a worldwide movement of the gospel in conflict with abortion.
01:11:36: So you can do that right now. That's what we're here to talk about today and some more stuff. But let's go ahead and do some other things, some current events stuff.
01:11:43: What's up? Well, this is directly related to abortion. So this is a story I just saw today.
01:11:50: So the Democratic or Democratic -led states are going to sue
01:11:56: Donald Trump for blocking funds to Planned Parenthood. I don't know if you guys saw that. So Washington, Oregon, Connecticut, New York, and California.
01:12:07: So, you know, whatever. They're ridiculous, but, you know. You're going after their sacred right.
01:12:13: Yeah, exactly. But there was specifically one quote I wanted to share that was crazy to me.
01:12:20: So this was from Amanda Skinner, who's the president of Planned Parenthood of Southern New England.
01:12:27: It's quite the title. So she said, We have seen repeated efforts on the part of this administration to dismantle programs or put into place programs that harm people who are already the most marginalized in our society.
01:12:44: So, of course, after answering that question, she then returned to work dismantling and harming the most marginalized people in our society.
01:12:52: Right, right, right. So that's, I mean, that's what we're up against. I just saw that today. I was like, that's crazy.
01:12:58: So it's interesting. We're in the middle of a very, it's a hot moment.
01:13:03: Hotter than normal in terms of abortion in our country and the conflict that is going on to save the preborn.
01:13:12: With what happened in New York and Governor Cuomo saying, No, you can kill them all the way up to birth. Now, of course, we would say to those pro -lifers that are saying,
01:13:21: Oh, my goodness, how dare you? What are you thinking? We would say, well, what's the difference, friends, between the 40 and the 25 and the 20 and everything?
01:13:27: We're talking about human beings here. So why are you so up in arms? This is just consistency. We should already be horrified.
01:13:33: We should already be horrified and be just as upset. We should have been the whole time. But I'm grateful. But I'm grateful.
01:13:38: That your eyes are now shocked. Yes. My hope is that God's using this next level of judgment to light a fire under the church and our culture to actually be outraged because, like you said, we as a whole haven't been that outraged.
01:13:56: Well, it's really interesting, too. People can say how horrible
01:14:02: New York is, and it is. It's evil. It's awful. How dare they do such a thing? And it exposes that this is what they were going for all along.
01:14:10: They were never neutral. This is what they wanted the whole time. But in terms of God and his providence, even in the midst of evil,
01:14:16: God causes all things to work together for good. And just in us, in what's happening with us, when that all happened with Governor Cuomo and everything happening with John Speed closing his store in New York City and all the hubbub around that, going around the country and all the major talk shows talking about that, we saw a massive push at end abortion now of local churches signing up, over 50 probably signed up since New York or about 50?
01:14:43: Yeah. I think within, I mean, there was a time when I was just, you know, checking emails in Kauai, going through that, and I realized,
01:14:50: I said, I asked myself the question, well, how many churches have we had in the last week? And I just checked to see how many. It was about 15 within the span of one week.
01:14:57: And so just an unbelievable, like, gravitational shift. And these are excited people.
01:15:03: These are local churches, pastors, if not pastors, those under the care of their shepherds, really desiring to have a gospel -centered answer to this great evil of our day.
01:15:14: So for us to be able to supply that to them is just humbling in so many ways that we have been used by God and his grace as a conduit now to plug in people to resources, training, gospel -centered mindset to do this.
01:15:30: You know, you mentioned New York. You mentioned the horror of what the Democratic Party has done. And really it reveals that this was their plan all along.
01:15:39: This was their mindset all along. But on the other side of the coin, it becomes incumbent upon us as Christians to maintain the level of consistency towards the other side of the aisle, the party that needs to be defined by the very values that they proclaim to have, which is the
01:15:54: Christian Conservative Party, the Republican Party, right? So while their proclamation may be
01:16:00: Christian conservative with what they're saying, being consistent in pro -life action is another thing altogether.
01:16:10: And so that only happens if you have the biblical world at your feet, informing your mindset of this because life beginning at conception, image of God, all that exists because of the
01:16:22: Christian worldview. And so it's up to us to be outraged completely at that astounding evil decree, that you can kill a baby up to term, right?
01:16:32: That's astoundingly evil. But we have to be as hard, if not more hard, on the party that has been silent in the face of this injustice and has not acted consistently to bring it to an end.
01:16:48: So with that, talk about the issue of like Oklahoma. I just got back from Oklahoma. There's a bill SB13 in Oklahoma put in by Senator Joseph Silk.
01:16:56: It's an abolition bill. It's a bill to abolish, to end, to criminalize once and for all consistency.
01:17:03: No abortion, period. You cannot do it. That's the human being. That's the image of God. You cannot murder a human being.
01:17:09: You cannot take the life unjustly of another human being. So it's a consistent bill, SB13. And the interesting thing is that in Oklahoma, it's a big -time pro -life legislature and state.
01:17:22: And the greatest enemy to SB13 in Oklahoma right now is not the pro -choicers.
01:17:29: The greatest enemy to SB13 in Oklahoma is Senator Smalley and men like him who actually are—
01:17:38: Tony Lounger, the vice president of National Right to Life, who are working against this bill that would criminalize abortion.
01:17:45: They're saying, no, you don't pass that. And they want to work towards more incremental legislation, and they want to say, let's try to get
01:17:51: Roe v. Wade to fall, which is a perverse way of looking at the law in the first place, not how our country works.
01:17:57: Our founding documents say that it's Congress that creates law, not the Supreme Court. And so what we've done is we've yielded to this really perverse view of law, perspective of law, that isn't consistent with the
01:18:09: Constitution. And that's what they're saying is that we can't have SB13 because the Supreme Court.
01:18:14: We're fearful of these Supreme Court judges. Yeah, and I hope people hear that and they're genuinely shocked that it's the pro -life party that's inhibiting this from going through.
01:18:25: I hope when people hear that it genuinely shocks you because then we begin to wake up and see where the true compromise has been in this and what has kept abortion legal for the last 46 years.
01:18:40: Obviously we know that those who hate God, love death, are going to push their agenda.
01:18:45: We understand that. But to the side that is left with defending the pre -born and that ought to be doing something about it, to hear that they're actually standing against the very thing that would stop it in that state, that should jar us to the core and indicate in our minds that something's wrong.
01:19:02: Something's wrong about how we've approached this issue, how we fought it consistently as Christians, and what are we doing.
01:19:07: And we need to do something different fast. I was going to say that really if you consider...
01:19:15: So consider that the reason we're so horrified that a baby can be killed full term now is that in our minds always we've had things like 16 weeks, heartbeat bill, this and this, blah, blah, blah.
01:19:32: So the point is babies have been dying the whole time, but the reason why it's shocking us now is because pro -lifers have been putting legislation in that actually protects the killing of babies up until a certain point.
01:19:50: It's just that now that legislation didn't work in New York. And so the only reason any part of you would think, well, maybe it's okay to kill a baby after they're this many weeks, is because someone came in and said, well, let's fight for this many weeks at least.
01:20:07: But the whole time, babies have been dying. So in a weird way, we're shocked because of the pro -life party.
01:20:17: And those kinds of things affirm the legitimacy of Roe when you define it like that, which is the problem altogether.
01:20:25: Because as you said, it's an immoral court opinion. It's not a law.
01:20:31: And so when you define this debate on the terms of the enemy, you're giving credence to the idea that a group of men or women, five men or women to be specific, can dictate what morality is and can redefine the very nature and fabric of what it means to be human.
01:20:51: Yeah, we're not being ruled as communities or states or republic or even a constitution.
01:20:57: The ultimate voice of the God of our system today is five men or women in the
01:21:04: Supreme Court. That's now the ultimate voice of God. It's an endless hamster wheel. Because who can get the most votes to get the most butts in the seats in order to dictate the consensus of the people?
01:21:16: That's an endless fight. I don't want to fight anymore. I don't want to be a part of it. Because it's not just the issue of abortion.
01:21:22: Right, it's everything. What did we just deal with a couple of years ago, and now we're feeling all the effects of now, we dealt with the
01:21:29: Obergefell decision. Marriage, family. What happened there is another defining moment, is that our country has now gone into the position where we say that the ultimate voice of the
01:21:40: God of our system is this Supreme Court, these black robes, these five judges, male or female.
01:21:47: That's the voice of the God of our system. It's not the people. It's not a republic. It's not a constitution anymore.
01:21:53: It's not even democracy. It's the voice of the God is the black robes at the Supreme Court.
01:22:00: If we can finally come to terms with that and face that as a reality, that that's what we are now, is the voice of the
01:22:06: God of the system is the five black robes in Washington, D .C., then we can actually start to resist in a very consistent way.
01:22:14: That starts with the kind of thing we're talking about when we talk about interposition. What we argue in terms of how we have to fight this is we have to fight as,
01:22:21: A, Christians. Christians, Christians, Christians. Not neutral Christians from a Christian worldview saying things like sin, murder, repentance, telling the truth.
01:22:30: Then we say there has to be something called interposition, which is, by the way, what our country was supposed to be about.
01:22:37: We used to be called a republic. We were a republic.
01:22:42: It wasn't a democracy. It was a republic. There is a difference. The reason we were a republic is it was the states that created the federal government.
01:22:51: It wasn't the federal government that made the states. They didn't, by decree, say, I now give you existence.
01:22:57: You are the state of Virginia. The states and the colonies, the states, they created, this is our thing.
01:23:04: That's what they were saying. This will be our thing, and we'll have this way that we can all manage this thing with this federal government.
01:23:11: But they never were saying, and now we bow to you. They were always, always in a place where they would say, we will interpose between you, if you get beastly, and our people.
01:23:24: We will always interpose, whether it was like, say, for example, the Fugitive Slave Act, when you had fugitive slaves.
01:23:31: Fantastic talk with Marcus Pitman before the city council. That's one of the most important elements to bring up in this is when you talk about things like that, and there's more than just that, but something like the
01:23:41: Fugitive Slave Act is a fantastic example that our culture has to resonate with us.
01:23:46: When you talk about slaves escaping, and a federal court saying, no, you have to give them back, and then a state saying, how about hashtag hell no, like that, like that kind of interposition, is there's no way that's going to happen.
01:24:05: Why? Because what you just told me to do was unjust, wicked, and sinful, and so no, and we all look at that today, and we go, look at that state being so just and so amazing, right on, you had somebody that was in the right state of mind, and then today, the only way that states are willing to do that kind of thing is when you have states going, well, they should be able to smoke up, right?
01:24:30: Yeah. I mean, we should let them smoke up. And so we go, well, we'll definitely let you guys smoke up, and we won't listen to what they say about smoking up.
01:24:38: Or like New York, where they said, well, we're going to kill babies up to full term. Right. Right. Same thing.
01:24:44: But I was going to say, in regards to that talk Marcus gave, I don't know if he told you this, someone else that was with him was,
01:24:52: I think he was there, he was talking to one of the councilmen or whatever, and I think the guy said that his job is to protect, or to represent everyone equally.
01:25:04: Yeah. And the guy was like, no, no, no, that's not it at all. Your job is to represent the majority.
01:25:10: But that's where it gets into the whole discussion of social justice and everything we've been talking about.
01:25:17: You're not representing equally. You're representing the majority. And even anymore, it's more like they're representing the minority, who's got the loudest voice.
01:25:29: Right. And I love what they were demanding in that meeting, that Batavia become a sanctuary city for the pre -born, just like the
01:25:38: Fugitive Slave Act. This is a safe place where you can come, have refuge, and we're not going to follow the federal court into their rebellion against God.
01:25:47: We're not going to follow them into disobedience to our rule of law. So why can't we adopt that same principle for the pre -born?
01:25:54: I thought it was a brilliant point to make. And this has really become part and parcel to the message of end abortion now, this year is engaging the legislature, which is why we're going.
01:26:04: Why? Because here's the thing, you might have a lot of people saying, man, across the country now, end abortion now, apology of church, started going to the legislature, and we were filming it, and then putting the word out, and it started to inspire other
01:26:17: Christians to go. And you're starting to see people now going to their legislature and saying things like repent, uphold justice, image of God, sin,
01:26:25: Jesus died for sinners and rose again for the dead, believe in Jesus, turn away from this wicked sin. You have people walk up to the legislature, preach the gospel, and say, and stop murdering babies, do your duty as magistrates, and uphold it, and uphold it because they're the image of God.
01:26:40: And you're having Christians across the country now, all over, I'm seeing videos on a daily basis now, some new
01:26:46: Christian that went before the legislature to do that. So I would ask you, Zach, why are we doing that? Why are we taking the message of the
01:26:53: Christian gospel and the biblical worldview to the legislature? Isn't that supposed to be stuff for heaven one day?
01:26:59: Why are we doing that here? What's going on? And I said that in one of my city council talks, that when I said I realize, honorable representatives, that it might seem strange to you to see a
01:27:08: Christian standing on his principles in this kind of format. I admit it might seem foreign to you because we've all been told that there's a supposed separation of church and state that we all have to abide by and what
01:27:18: I have to say makes no nevermind if I come here quoting scripture to you. That was one of the things I brought up in my talk.
01:27:25: But the reason we do what we do, first and foremost, is government, every realm of authority for that matter, must obey
01:27:33: Christ, must submit to his sovereign lordship. Says who? The word of God itself.
01:27:40: Where? Psalm 2 is a great example. If we could just camp out on that one verse right there.
01:27:46: But, I mean, Revelation, Jesus is the ruler of the kings on earth, so he has all authority over them.
01:27:52: They must obey him. But Psalm chapter 2 is obviously the premier text that we would go to to say, why do the nations rage in the people's plot in vain?
01:27:59: The kings of the earth and the rulers set themselves against the Lord and against his anointed, saying, let us burst their bonds and cast away their cords from us.
01:28:06: That's what's happening right now in our nation. We have a squad of leaders who think that they are above the very word and law of God to determine in their own eyes what is right and what is wrong.
01:28:18: And the message of Psalm chapter 2 is God has installed his king on Zion, on his holy hill, and he has given that son the obedience of the nations.
01:28:28: All the nations have to obey Jesus. And then there's a warning at the end of that that says, now kings be wise.
01:28:34: Kiss the son, pay allegiance to him, pay homage to him. Well, why would they do that? He's their boss.
01:28:41: He gets to tell them what to do with their authority because the authority that they have is derivative of him. It is not exercised independently of his rulership, his lordship.
01:28:50: He gives it to them, and they are ruling in the place of him, which means if they rule in a contradictory fashion to the way that he is prescribed, they're in sin.
01:29:00: And if they're in sin, it's our job as the prophetic voice and witness to call them to repent and to obey and to establish justice for these image bearers of God.
01:29:09: But Romans 13 says to submit to your authorities. Right, Romans 13 says to submit to your authorities, and we do.
01:29:16: And you can see that, obviously, in the talks that we give. We come very humbly. We come very respectfully of their authority. We say, honorable representatives, we honor your position.
01:29:23: We believe it's ordained by God. But again, it's not my responsibility if you are enacting decrees that are in opposition or at variance with the law of God to follow you into that rebellion.
01:29:33: It calls them to be deacons. That's right. The magistrates are to exercise the authority of God.
01:29:41: That's what the office of king and governance in the nation of Israel, for example, was about.
01:29:46: Those people that were put in positions of authority by God were exercising the authority and office of God.
01:29:53: They were representing him. And in any way, when they acted in a way that was contrary to that, they were called by the prophets to come back to the rule of law, which was the law word of God.
01:30:05: And so in Romans 13, same example. They are God's deacon. They are his servants.
01:30:11: They're his deacon. Not any other God's servant. They're not the servants of Demas.
01:30:19: They're the servants of Jesus Christ. He is kurios. He is
01:30:24: Lord. And so they must obey him. And so that's why we go and we tell them. And so it's really a bottom issue of Christ's authority.
01:30:32: Does he have all authority even over the legislature? And if our nation believes that it's appropriate to kill your children, if our nation believes that it's appropriate to look at a man and say she, or to look at a woman and say he, if our nation gets to the point where we say mommy and mommy is a couple, and that's fine, and that's a marriage, or daddy and daddy is a couple, and that's fine, or mommy and daddy and mommy and mommy and mommy, that's fine, that's just as valid, then what is at issue here is not just a conflict between democratic ideals and republican ideals and liberalism versus conservatism.
01:31:13: What we're talking about is a problem of sin and fallenness that has infected the culture and there's darkness around.
01:31:20: And Jesus only gives that duty in terms of actual preservation and dispelling darkness to one institution in the entire
01:31:29: Bible. And he doesn't give it to the magistrates. He gives it to the church to be the salt, which is the preservative agent to stop things from decay.
01:31:39: And he gives the church the duty to be the light to the culture. And it's like you don't have to go far into your
01:31:48: Bible to figure this stuff out. You don't have to be like a biblical scholar. Like if you just want to read the New Testament, you get five chapters into the book of Matthew, and you're gonna see
01:31:59: Jesus in the most famous sermon in the history of the world saying what I just said, that we're the salt and we're the light.
01:32:05: And he talks to his people about God's law, and he says if you teach people to minimize even the least of these commandments, you're gonna be called least in the kingdom of heaven.
01:32:15: But whoever does them and teaches them is gonna be called great. So that's what we're supposed to be about in our culture.
01:32:21: What do you think it is? Honestly, I know we say sin. It's sin, it's sin, it's sin. But what do you think it is that's keeping the evangelical church at large from actually engaging this issue in a meaningful way?
01:32:34: What do you think it is? We can't just say generally it's sin. We're all just sinners. What is it? Is it cowardice?
01:32:40: Is it fear? Is it just idolatry? Is it selfishness? Is it pride?
01:32:47: What do you think is the great resistor right now that we have to confront in ourselves as the church?
01:32:53: I think it's bad eschatology. Okay, what do you mean by that? We talk about this a lot, but instead of thinking long -term and being hopeful and optimistic about the future and about Christ's kingdom here on earth, the church since the early 1900s, maybe even back in the mid -1800s, the church has been preoccupied with the rapture.
01:33:15: And so instead of engaging the culture, we've retreated within the four walls of the church and taken the gospel with us and we've sat around and waited for the rapture and let the culture go to hell because we haven't cared.
01:33:32: Now, that doesn't mean that the Christians in the church haven't been concerned about people coming to Christ, but it's still a different perspective when you're thinking long -term and you're being proactive instead of retreating and being overly pietistic and hiding in our little bunkers.
01:33:49: You're really onto something there. I think, amen to that, bad eschatology, bad view of the future, but that stems from a bad view of the kingdom first.
01:33:57: I think it's an aspect of a truncation of the gospel, seeing it reduced to merely a message that gets people into heaven one day and it's about being justified by faith, which is at the core of the gospel, but if you don't have the reign of Christ, if you don't have what it means to be an image -bearer of God at the bottom of all that, what does
01:34:18: Christ save us from? He saves us from our sin, but what does he restore us to? We're redeemed to something.
01:34:23: We're redeemed to hold a particular office and that office is being his image -bearer in the world, which means to obey him and to promote what he promotes, to be his echo in the world, to be his ambassador in the world.
01:34:37: In Jesus, you see this in his ministry, he was absolutely consumed for doing the will of the father. Why? Because he's the perfect image of God and so that is the office that he maintains and that's the example that he leaves on the earth to give us and so you take an issue like abortion, right?
01:34:55: God is the only one in the scriptures with the prerogative to put his image in the world.
01:35:01: That's why he condemns the construction of false images as idolatry and God has already spoken on this matter and put his image in the world.
01:35:11: It's you and me and so we are him, his way and we're to be faithful and to obedient as his ambassadors in this world and any construction of a false god, a false image is idolatry because we're the image of God and he jealously guards over his image.
01:35:30: He jealously guards over his image and that's why we jealously guard these pre -born children. So we need to guard these babies because they're the image of God because God jealously guards over his image because people might say, why are you so hung up on this issue?
01:35:46: Why are you so all about ending abortion and criminalizing this? I would say because it's a fundamental attack not just on the familial character and nature of God in the triune community but it's also an attack on his very plan of salvation because Jesus Christ restores us to the true image of God and to our true office and sinful fallen man that hates
01:36:08: God cannot have that. They want to image an idol and they want to worship themselves and be a false god or worship a false god but there's only one
01:36:19: God and so what Jesus does is he gives us back our humanity by saving us and by calling us to be on mission for him and to go about doing the kinds of things that we do.
01:36:29: So the answer to the question, why does the church struggle with this so much? Cowardice, apathy, all those things are true but they stem from a lack of understanding and a lack of being gripped by this reality of the kingdom of God and what it means to be on mission as his ambassador, as his image bearer because as we're told in scripture, for those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son.
01:36:55: Jesus is the image of the invisible God. As we have borne the image of the man of dust we shall also bear the image of the heavenly man and so many passages just in the
01:37:07: New Testament alone about us being restored to the true image bearers of God and what that means and so truncation of the gospel, lack of the understanding of the gospel, the kingdom and our office because if it just becomes about chilling out, waiting for heaven then we would never do anything like this.
01:37:24: Why would we engage? Most people consider, like if they were to consider what the kingdom of God is they would think of themselves sitting in a room with God or like with Jesus in their pocket.
01:37:35: Like this is an independent, individual relationship that we have and they wouldn't think of it as a kingdom at all.
01:37:42: I mean at least not in what that actually means. I mean what a lot of people, it's very regrettable and I'm sure some people would say
01:37:50: I'm not giving enough benefit of the doubt and some would say that I'm giving too much but a lot of it is really, really poor discipleship.
01:37:57: Most people aren't taught that their relationship or the transforming power that happens there is anything more than something that just happens between you and then what you should do is you should invite people who haven't had that experience into your life and be nice to them until they have it and that's not anything we see anywhere and it's certainly when there's actually something that comes up when lives are at stake that's not biblical.
01:38:27: So when you go to that, when that is your theology you don't have anywhere to go.
01:38:34: Like if you're trying to save someone or a life or if you're trying to empower someone or encourage someone to kill their sin it's like if it's just me and you and I've given up the
01:38:49: Bible where can I go? And so a lot of people, I feel like a lot of Christians are left very, it's like they're disarmed.
01:38:57: Like they were told that they were brought up and they were equipped with like some ability to you know, like with this identity and then ultimately they're just sitting in a room with this pocket
01:39:13: Jesus that is very helpful and pragmatic and encouraging but doesn't really give them anything to apply anywhere.
01:39:22: And then they just think that's what it is. That's what the message has been all along. Just you know. And there's no,
01:39:29: Jesus gives his followers the authority to plunder Satan's kingdom. That's what he's given them and by extension us.
01:39:35: And this world is no longer in the grasp of a defeated vanquished foe. That's the point of the gospel is that Jesus made a public open spectacle of Satan on the cross.
01:39:45: He's defeated now. And so the Son of God appeared to destroy the works of the devil.
01:39:52: That's what John tells us. And so we need to be about destroying the works of the devil, our defeated and vanquished foe because he's defeated.
01:39:59: And so now we come and we plunder his spoils and we take everything that he has stolen from us back.
01:40:05: And we do it to the glory of God. That's right. Have you been listening to Joe Boot by chance? He's always in my ears.
01:40:13: Alright, so let's wrap it up here for next week. This is a huge, huge blessing. Hey, click all the buttons and like all the stuff and make the comments and send this out across the world.
01:40:22: And just with that, I want to encourage you to really think through this. What God has done through a single ministry like ours has been transformative all the way to South Africa and Ireland and Australia and Canada, across the
01:40:33: United States. Saved literally thousands and thousands and thousands of lives that is happening on a regular basis through this little old ministry of Apologia Church.
01:40:42: We're not a large church and God has done significant things through this church. But you should know that the platforms that you're watching this on right now are making it more and more difficult.
01:40:53: It's becoming increasingly difficult for people to even see this content because the platforms are working against conservative and Christian voices.
01:41:01: So all the more, we need you to partner with us to hit the share button so that somebody else sees this and it impacts them and blesses them.
01:41:11: We need you to participate with us. You might say, well, I'm not there in a chair with you. I haven't given financially to the ministry.
01:41:16: I love your ministry. Well, you can be a part of this ministry legitimately side by side with us.
01:41:22: This isn't about us. It's about the message of Christ that we're talking about. And you can be a part of that by sending it out across the world.
01:41:28: And again, it's not for our fame. It is for the fame of Jesus. Absolutely. So tell everybody how they can get connected with End Abortion Now.
01:41:35: You go to endabortionnow .com. You can sign up your church. That's where you'll get in touch with me.
01:41:41: We'll get you the free resources, training, any support that you guys need to get started with that. But that's how you get linked up with us ultimately.
01:41:48: And so you'll be partnered up with us. Obviously, we're going to do the media training so that you can get that going with your own local church.
01:41:56: But also, if you need to reach me, Zach, at endabortionnow .com. That's how you get in touch with me. Perfect.
01:42:01: All right. Zach Conover, Director of Communications for End Abortion Now. Joy the
01:42:06: Girl. I almost said Joy Tembe. I stopped myself. Joy Hunter. That's Joy the Girl. Luke the Bear. And I'm Jeff.
01:42:12: We'll catch you next time on Next Week with Jeff Durbin. Thank you guys for watching. Thank you guys so much. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.
01:42:52: Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now, at the very beginning, was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the
01:43:03: United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon Scripture, the
01:43:13: Word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.
01:43:19: We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.
01:43:28: We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.
01:43:41: We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.
01:43:48: Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,
01:43:58: God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the
01:44:13: United States of America, but at this point, we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the
01:44:21: United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.
01:44:32: At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.
01:44:39: Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what
01:44:46: God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.
01:45:07: We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were, of course, able to actually produce the documentary
01:45:14: Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.
01:45:27: This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.
01:45:45: Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.
01:46:07: You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.
01:46:18: You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the
01:46:27: United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the
01:46:36: United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.
01:46:43: It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.
01:47:00: You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.
01:47:13: In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year.
01:47:18: And we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019. We're grateful to God for all that He's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning.
01:47:27: In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us. Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with the message of the gospel, demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year we pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.
01:48:10: That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.
01:48:16: 2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all of those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.
01:48:35: Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.
01:48:44: All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.
01:48:54: So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.
01:49:11: Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.
01:49:17: Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.
01:49:48: Hello again, honorable representatives. I told you we'd be back. My name is Desiree Mays. I'm a
01:49:54: Christian and a member of Apology at Church, and I first off just want to thank you for your time, and the opportunity to speak to you today.
01:50:01: As you know, HB 2696 was presented today, and this is the allotted citizen comment time, and as a citizen,
01:50:08: I would just like to say that I'm utterly disgusted and angry. I honestly can't even believe that anyone would have the audacity to present a bill like this, and that there would be others openly supporting it.
01:50:20: Thank God it got killed today. Here's the thing. We should all be equally outraged at abortion at any stage because it's murder.
01:50:28: Whether it's a baby at five weeks gestation, 20 weeks, or 40 weeks, people don't become more or less valuable because of their age.
01:50:36: It's just that one of the whole arguments of the pro -choice movement is that the baby in the womb is an unviable clump of cells.
01:50:42: Again, an unscientific argument that's outdated by decades. But here's the hard truth that we saw on Vivid Colored today.
01:50:49: Those who support abortion when presented with this scenario of a baby actually surviving a botched abortion and is laying on the operating table breathing, want the abortionist to have the right to legally look that baby in the face and watch her die a slow and painful death when they have the power to help her.
01:51:07: Can you think of anything more barbaric? Make no mistake, this is the agenda of the pro -choice movement.
01:51:14: Abortion on demand at any stage, no restrictions for any reason. And now they're pushing for the rights to kill outside of the womb.
01:51:23: What's next? Two year olds? Eight year olds? Murder is murder at any age.
01:51:28: So how do we stop this? More abortion regulations? Pro -life bill after bill has been passed regulating abortion.
01:51:35: Just two years ago, Senate Bill 1367 was passed here that strengthens
01:51:41: Arizona's law to ensure babies born alive after an abortion would receive life -saving care. You see, we don't need more legislation to regulate abortion.
01:51:48: We need to end it. You all know we already have a current law in the books that criminalizes abortion. We need
01:51:54: AZ Statute 13 -3603 to be upheld. You are all neglecting to do what you've been sworn in office to do, which is uphold the law.
01:52:03: It is your duty to establish justice for every person regardless of their age. And I will remind you again that 60 million babies have been murdered since Roe v.
01:52:13: Wade. More will die gruesome and barbaric deaths today in this city and in this state.
01:52:20: How many more have to die until you'll do something? Please, let this be the day that you get the courage to stand up for what is right.
01:52:28: If you do, we pledge to stand behind you. We don't need cowards in office. We need bold men and women who will take a stand for what is right regardless of what our culture and society says.
01:52:38: Never forget that slavery was once legal in our country and it took Americans like you and like me to say no more.
01:52:47: Please go to EndAbortionNow .com to join us in this fight. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Hello.
01:53:05: My name is Elaine Stanton. I'm thankful to stand here in front of you exercising my rights as a living human being created uniquely by God.
01:53:14: There are so many variances on when it is legal and illegal to take a baby's life, but according to God's law, it's simple.
01:53:22: You do not murder. I want to ask you two things. First, uphold Arizona 13 -3603 and in so doing, you are saving lives and loving your neighbors.
01:53:32: And second, declare Phoenix the first Arizona sanctuary city for the pre -born. Now I'd like to share with you the one and only
01:53:39: God, the author, the creator of life, says that the greatest commandment is to love the Lord, your
01:53:45: God, with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself. The pre -born being murdered every day are your neighbors, ladies and gentlemen of the council.
01:53:54: I'd like to convince the pro -choice mother who has the right to choose and abort her baby using the reason that it's not viable that the baby inside her is indeed viable, wholly human, separate, with the same right as I have today to choose here before you, pleading with you to uphold the law that would allow this child to live and not be murdered.
01:54:14: Listen to this true story just published on the Huffington Post. Bethany Smith's unborn daughter had spina bifida.
01:54:21: She was advised to have an abortion. Instead, she pursued a procedure where her daughter was removed from her womb and corrective surgery was performed before replacing her back in the womb to grow to a full term.
01:54:32: It was a success and the baby lived. Let me ask you how crazy this sounds. When the baby was in rather than out, it was okay to kill her.
01:54:40: Then when the baby was out rather than in, it was not okay to kill her. But then when she was put back in and was no longer out, it was back to being okay to kill her.
01:54:51: It makes no difference to vaguely assume that human life is more human post -born than pre -born.
01:54:57: Is the baby a human life? Scientifically, science says yes. The complete single -cell fertilized ovum has a genetic code completely separate and unique from the mother.
01:55:07: It needs nothing but nutrition from the mother till birth. The U .S. Supreme Court used viability as a measure of humanness that if the baby can live independently outside the mother's womb, it is human.
01:55:17: Would our founding fathers be okay with this? No. James Wilson and George Tucker, both signers of the
01:55:22: Declaration of Independence, made it clear in their teachings that it is a great misdemeanor to kill a child in the mother's room.
01:55:29: Remember that phrase, we hold these truths to be self -evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, and among these are life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness?
01:55:41: So I ask you, don't these truths apply to all human beings, whatever their stage of life?
01:55:46: Shouldn't equal protection be given to everyone? Or should we discriminate under the law? Abortion is discrimination against age, handicap, and place of residence.
01:55:56: Thank you. Good afternoon.
01:56:05: My name's Emma, and I'm here to speak to you about God's wonderful creations. I have been studying zoology for two years, and I have learned many amazing things.
01:56:14: Last month, when investigating our oceans, I learned about coral reefs. They are beautiful animals that God made on the fifth day of creation.
01:56:23: They are protected by several laws enforced by the United States Environmental Protection Agency. We have laws, regulations, and even official task forces in place to keep baby coral safe.
01:56:37: While I love sea life, and all life, to be honest, it was surprising for me to discover that these boneless, brainless, bloodless, and nerveless animals are so fiercely protected by our government and have many special advocates.
01:56:50: I read about how the state of Hawaii passed a bill to ban the sale of sunscreen that contained the chemical oxybenzone.
01:57:00: Most sunscreens on the market have this chemical. Hawaii is asking for a radical change in order to save baby coral.
01:57:08: Coral do not have fingers or toes equipped with nails, or hearts and eyes that function like a human fetus does, yet they are protected by our government.
01:57:20: Hawaii is willing to change the law to save babies, baby coral, that is. I asked my dad, as I studied,
01:57:29: I wondered why coral, manatees, sea turtles, and even puppies and kittens have protection under our law, but a human being inside their mother's womb does not.
01:57:38: I asked my dad how this could be true. He told me to look up Arizona Revised Statute 13 -3603.
01:57:46: To my surprise, I found out that abortions have been illegal in Arizona since 1901.
01:57:52: I ask you today, why do you not put an end to abortions knowing that this is the law? Why don't you tell the police in Phoenix, Arizona to put an end to abortions?
01:58:06: Why do you not take away those pills that are used to kill innocent babies? How can you tell people that they can't raise laws that you want upheld, but murdering a baby is acceptable?
01:58:17: This is inconsistent with an Arizona's constitution that you swore to uphold, and with God's law.
01:58:24: I am only in fifth grade, and I can easily see the compromise you are making. I do not understand how you can do this with no shame.
01:58:34: Please take the necessary steps to make Phoenix a sanctuary city for the unborn. If the state of Georgia can pass the heartbeat bill, certainly you guys can work together to stop this evil marketing within your city.
01:58:46: Abortion is murder. Please defend your citizens' right to life. End abortion now. Thank you. Thou shall not murder.
01:59:06: This commandment is binding upon all men at all times and in every nation.
01:59:13: God did not say thou shall not murder unless the Supreme Court rules otherwise.
01:59:21: The Supreme Court is not the supreme being. Divine law trumps human law, and every human law that violates
01:59:32: God's law is no law at all. So says 1 ,800 years of recorded history in Western civilization.
01:59:43: Next quote. We hold these truths to be self -evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
02:00:07: Our nation sinned when we denied the right of liberty to our black brethren. Our Lord warned this nation for 75 years, let them go.
02:00:19: We hardened our heart and we stiffened our neck, and it took a bloody civil war to end the scourge of slavery in the
02:00:27: United States of America. Abraham Lincoln pinpointed the cause. Pay attention to his words.
02:00:35: Until every drop of blood drawn from the lash shall be paid by every drop of blood drawn from the sword.
02:00:43: As it was said 3 ,000 years ago and still remains today, the judgments of the
02:00:50: Lord are true and righteous all together. Well, that was then, and this is now.
02:00:58: At least most of the slaves were still allowed to live, but now our nation has crushed over 60 million children made in the image of God.
02:01:11: We have torn their limbs from their torsos. We have decapitated their heads.
02:01:19: We have poisoned them, and we have shed volumes and volumes of innocent blood.
02:01:27: Can we possibly conceive the wrath that is pent up against this nation?
02:01:33: And know this for a certainty. All the blood that has been shed, this nation will be held to account for every single drop.
02:01:45: Next quote. No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.
02:01:52: Well, let me ask a rhetorical question. What has the pre -born done? What capital crime have they committed that they deserve capital punishment?
02:02:04: Whatever happened... Is my time up here? Can I finish my statement, please? Whatever happened to equal justice under the law?
02:02:15: Each of us here were welcomed into life and were protected by law.
02:02:22: How can you and I partake of these gifts and deny it to our own sons and daughters?
02:02:29: Jeff Durbin? Is that it? That is. Let me just say one last thing.
02:02:35: I would just call upon you to fear God. Stop carrying the sword of justice in vain.
02:02:42: Do your duty. Ignore Roe, establish justice, and end abortion now in the city of Phoenix.
02:02:49: In Jesus' name, thank you. Hello again, honorable representatives of Arizona.
02:03:02: I come back today to remind you of your duty to uphold justice for the unborn citizens of our state. I appear before you not as a neutral party to this issue, but as a
02:03:09: Christian standing on the principles of Scripture, which I admit may seem foreign to you. We've all been told that to engage in such behavior is to violate a supposed separation of church and state, a phrase that has been twisted and weaponized by the enemies of my
02:03:23: Lord to get Christians like me to check their ultimate commitments at the door and enter the public square stripped of their foundation, to condemn a moral atrocity like abortion.
02:03:31: But I will not relinquish my religious foundation in fighting for the lives of these children any more than pro -choice advocates will relinquish their religious commitment to the position that human beings in the womb aren't worthy of our protection because they haven't earned their personhood yet.
02:03:45: I am more concerned with being faithful to my Lord than looking respectable or reasonable in your sight. What's unreasonable is for mothers in our state to think so little of their children as to treat them like disposable waste for their own sakes.
02:03:57: It is not respectable to pay someone to assassinate your own offspring by having their little bodies sucked out of your body and then discarded under the label of unwanted parasite.
02:04:08: It is unconscionable to carve up a child and call this act choice, healthcare, or reproductive freedom, which is a euphemism for child murdering rights, due to the fact that if a woman is pregnant, she has already exercised her right to reproduce.
02:04:22: This term becomes the thin veneer of pseudo -justice that exclaims it's a righteous thing for them to desire the death of their own children for their sake and the obligation of others like us to ensure that they have the provision to carry it out.
02:04:35: Such thinking is the basis of violent injustice, with the primary victim being the unborn child in the womb who is made in the image of God.
02:04:42: Respectfully and lovingly to you, leaders of our city, you are required to act and ensure true justice for the true victims of this crime, that is the fatherless children being abandoned by their parents in our state.
02:04:54: Even if you're sitting here today and you agree with what I'm saying, merely acknowledging the truth that this is murder is not enough.
02:05:02: You must act to end it completely, not play a political football with the lives of the preborn neighbors you are commanded to love and defend.
02:05:09: This council is to be governed by Arizona revised statutes and setting city policy and passing rules and regulations.
02:05:16: Therefore, I am pleading with you to pass no new law, but to recognize and enforce existing
02:05:21: Arizona state law, revised statute 13 -3603. If you do not, the only ones that suffer as a result will be babies in our state that are systematically and brutally murdered under your watch.
02:05:36: Thank you so much again for your time. Go to andabortionnow .com for more details. What's up, guys?
02:06:23: Welcome back to another episode of Next Week. I'm Jeff Durbin. That is Luke the Bear right there. Merry Christmas.
02:06:29: Merry Christmas. You'll notice that it's the set right now. That's right. Very exciting time of year. Luke is, yeah,
02:06:35: Luke's here. And we also have Marcus King Ginger Pittman right now. Wade likes him.
02:06:42: Wade likes you, yeah. All right. So this is Marcus Pittman. He is the director, the filmmaker of Babies Are Still Murdered Here.
02:06:50: And he's a member of Apologia Church. And you guys all know who Marcus is. All right. So all right.
02:06:56: Let's update, man. Let's talk. Big news. What? Go ahead. Oh, yeah.
02:07:02: So the movie is now on Amazon Prime. All right. Yeah. Amazon Prime. Yay. So that's pretty important,
02:07:09: I think, because it's going to get the movie out there to a lot of people who would have never found it.
02:07:16: Certainly not found it on YouTube because you can't find anything on YouTube anymore. Because YouTube's algorithm and everything suppresses
02:07:25: Christian content. Yeah, suppresses anything based on words that are spoken in the film.
02:07:32: But now it's on Amazon Prime. And so it's got over –
02:07:37: I think we're at maybe like 200 reviews already. Are you serious? Five -star reviews, yeah. What is that, in two days?
02:07:43: Yeah, in two days. So I think that means it's going to be suggested and put out there in front of people.
02:07:51: I mean, just imagine people just looking through the Roku and saying, oh, what's this movie about?
02:07:57: That's a platform that – Especially if you're looking for some horror movies. Oh, yeah. Because it's under horror.
02:08:03: Yeah, we categorize – that was – Wait, wait, what? It's under horror. Yeah, it's categorized under horror movie.
02:08:08: Why? Because Darren Doan told me not to put it under Christian stuff because no one will watch it.
02:08:14: But if you put it under different categories that's relevant to the film, then it will get more hits. It is horrifying, for sure.
02:08:22: That works. It's under documentary horror and nonfiction. Okay, all right.
02:08:28: Well, for people who are new, most of you who are watching next week will probably know what we're talking about in the film,
02:08:33: Babies Are Still Murdered Here. But just give everyone sort of a picture of what is Babies Are Still Murdered Here. What is the film?
02:08:39: So the film is about essentially how the pro -life lobbies and organization have allowed abortion to continue for the past 46 years just by essentially not wanting to see abortion totally ended and not having the guts to really follow through and pass any sort of legislation with teeth.
02:09:08: It's a bold claim to say that the pro -life organizations don't want abortion ended. No. It appears methodologically.
02:09:15: Right. So what do you mean by that? Because people right now are watching this. They're saying, well, I thought you guys were pro -life. And we would say, yes, we're pro -life, but we're not with the pro -life industrial system.
02:09:25: Yeah, yeah. But it's a bold claim to say that they're not trying to end it. So what do you mean?
02:09:31: Well, what does the film teach us and demonstrate to us that they're not trying ultimately to end it now?
02:09:37: Well, the film shows how they only support legislation that's politically expedient or popular.
02:09:45: OK. So, for example, with the heartbeat bills in Ohio, the citizens wanted a heartbeat bill to be passed for years.
02:09:56: And the pro -Ohio right to life refused and said, no, we're going to do this other bill.
02:10:04: Here's maybe like a 20 -week ban or an Infant Born Alive Act or some other form of legislation, but not the heartbeat bill.
02:10:13: But eventually the citizens of Ohio demanded a heartbeat bill, and they got it passed.
02:10:19: They got it through the legislature, and they got the governor to sign it and agree to it.
02:10:25: And then when the governor signed it, there was Ohio right to life clapping when the governor signed it.
02:10:34: Like they were a part of it. Like they were behind it. But the past few years they've been opposing that legislation.
02:10:40: But because the citizens rose up and wanted it, suddenly they felt a need to get behind it.
02:10:47: And then a few days after that, it was signed. It was struck down in the
02:10:56: Ohio Supreme Court as unconstitutional or whatever. And then three days after that at the
02:11:04: National Right to Life Convention, they did a whole lecture on essentially how not to get behind and support heartbeat bills or these dramatic legislations in abortion.
02:11:19: So they're mocking it. And it's interesting to me that I even found that video because it was the only video
02:11:25: National Right to Life uploaded in like the past two years. But they uploaded that within one week of that lecture at the
02:11:34: National Right. And it was the only thing from the convention they uploaded was that talk on their channel.
02:11:39: Definitely providential. We needed that to show the problem. Well, it wasn't. I mean, they knew exactly why they did it.
02:11:46: They were doing it. So the thing is even though they're in there and they're cheering and stuff, they're not going to put up the money and the funds to fight the courts to make that law go through.
02:11:58: They're just going to say, see? Told you. Now go back to our legislation. So what's the difference though?
02:12:04: What are you saying for the people who are saying, okay, wait, I'm confused. I thought that we were all pro -life.
02:12:10: We're Christians. And now you're saying that they're not ultimately helping. So what's the difference between their message and our message?
02:12:16: What are the two different perspectives? Well, our message is that we're not using pro -life legislation as a means to get
02:12:24: Republicans elected. So that's what the pro -life lobby's main focus is, is in Republican elections.
02:12:33: And they'll tell you this. Like Jim Bopp, who's the chief legal mind at National Right to Life.
02:12:43: He's the one that gave that talk? He's the one that said don't vote for it, don't put these laws.
02:12:49: He'll tell you the reason why is because if, let's say, a heartbeat bill would move moderate
02:12:58: Republicans to vote Democrat, and then they'll lose, through chain reaction,
02:13:04: Supreme Court justices. So they have to go with laws that will get pro -life legislators elected.
02:13:19: Sorry, not even pro -life legislators, Republicans elected. So it doesn't matter if you're pro -life or not. And so that's their main focus.
02:13:28: And that's why they're one of the only political lobbies that I know of where the
02:13:34: GOP, the Republicans, actually fund them. Because that's how strong the pro -life vote is.
02:13:40: Is that if the pro -life organizations like National Right to Life says we endorse this guy as being pro -life, you have 50 % of the voting bloc that'll vote for him right away.
02:13:53: Which says a lot about our ability to end abortion. Right. Actually, to really end it, is that this voting bloc is in such a large support.
02:14:02: It's such a strong voting bloc. Yeah, that's why they can only do legislation that the
02:14:08: Republicans approve of. Right. So it's not about ending abortion.
02:14:14: It becomes this political strategy of how far can we push the Republicans that we've endorsed to vote on legislation.
02:14:23: Do they feel comfortable? Will they lose votes? It's just this massive system.
02:14:29: Well, that's a good point. So talk about this. There's two examples in the last couple of years of abolitionist or criminalization bills.
02:14:37: And that's in Oklahoma and Texas. And in both cases of bills that were working to outright end, ban, criminalize, abolish abortion in those states.
02:14:47: Done. In both cases, it was struck down and ultimately done away with by Republican pro -life legislators.
02:14:55: Jeff Leach. In Texas. Yeah, Jeff Leach in Texas, most notably. Lounger in Oklahoma. Who just announced his re -election campaign.
02:15:04: Right. So, yeah. So Jeff Leach, you know, I mean, you look at, let's say,
02:15:11: Jeremiah Thomas who was, you know, on his deathbed. And he got a call from the governor. And he told the governor, my dying wish is to end abortion in Texas.
02:15:21: And the governor says, okay, we're going to do it. We're going to put it on the platform. And then so the
02:15:27: Texas bill HB 896. I think it's HB 896. I forgot the number.
02:15:33: Well, the Texas bill comes into play. They have it before committee.
02:15:40: The Christians come all over the country to show support. And I think they were there for eight hours until 3 a .m.
02:15:47: in the morning. They were talking about how they want this bill passed or whatever. And then there comes this point where Rusty Thomas is explaining why this bill needs to be passed.
02:15:58: And then Jeff Leach, who has already said before this meeting started he's going to vote against it, talks about how much of a hero
02:16:05: Jeremiah Thomas is that he would, you know, do this. And, like, you know, this is for him.
02:16:11: And he's a hero and all this stuff. But then he goes and just goes, yeah, well, but I'm not going to vote for it.
02:16:19: A bill to end abortion. A bill to end abortion. He's not going to vote for it. You had a, you know. What was the bill they passed instead?
02:16:25: It was some. It was the Infant Born Alive Act. Yep, that was it. Yeah, so it wasn't even an abortion bill, really.
02:16:30: It was just. And that was their big win. Protect them if they're born alive. Yeah, Infant Born Alive Act. So that was the one
02:16:35: Jeff Leach got behind. The pro -life movement backed that one, rejected, obviously, the one that would end it.
02:16:43: And then. It doesn't do anything about abortion. No. Born alive. Protect them while they're alive. I thought we were already doing it. All right.
02:16:49: Well, even in Arizona this last year, do you guys remember what the big pro -life win was in Arizona?
02:16:55: The bill they passed? Or maybe it was two sessions ago. Remind me. I forget. It was they passed a law saying that if you were having an abortion, you had to essentially give the reason why.
02:17:06: Yeah. And that was what they were celebrating. Yeah, it was celebrating. And it was like, what does that even mean?
02:17:12: You know, and it was like they act like they won this big thing, and it was like, what does it even accomplish? Right.
02:17:18: They act like their victories are actual victories, but they're not.
02:17:23: Right. So if you follow, for instance, National Right to Life on Twitter, they'll share conflicting things.
02:17:32: Like one, this week, I retweeted something they said, because they said, abortion is never health care.
02:17:40: That's what they said. And so I retweeted it. I was like, well, if abortion is never health care, why do you regulate it like health care?
02:17:46: Yeah. Because all the regulations on the size of the clinic, whether it meets medical standards, is all based on the assumption that abortion is health care.
02:17:58: Yeah. So they're conceding Planned Parenthood's position just by, you know, Planned Parenthood doesn't care about regulation.
02:18:05: They'll fight regulations all day, but I mean, every business has to fight regulations.
02:18:10: So that's just part of the thing for them. Planned Parenthood is afraid of criminalization. Right. Yeah.
02:18:16: They don't want to do that. So then, when you regulate health care, just on that standard, if you say, well, it is health care, so we're going to regulate it like health care, now you're giving authority for the government to regulate health care in general.
02:18:34: Right. So you've given up ground on being against government health care and death panels, which they say they're against death panels, but they're not.
02:18:45: They've lost their position to even argue against death panels. Yeah. When they've already said, well, you can regulate some kinds of health care.
02:18:53: Right. But you can't. Right. So it's just not an organization that has the logical ability to be able to actually end something like abortion.
02:19:08: Do you remember what Jim Bopp said in that talk? Specifically, the one thing that stood out to me is he said, he literally said it's a popularity contest.
02:19:19: Yeah. That was the exact word he used. And it's because they're all about, their whole push is getting a willing court, they call it.
02:19:27: Right. In their mind, the only way, and I know you have a lot to say about that, but in their mind, the only way that you can end abortion is through a willing court.
02:19:36: He was all about, this is a popularity contest, we've got to get Trump reelected. Right. But that's literally, his whole speech is about that.
02:19:43: You have to get Republicans voted in the state legislature, you have to get Republicans voted in Congress and the
02:19:49: Senate, Republican president, and then a Republican majority Supreme Court, which doesn't matter.
02:19:55: Because in 1992, in Casey versus Planned Parenthood, they had the perfect case that would challenge
02:20:10: Roe v. Wade in 1992. And they had eight Republican appointed
02:20:17: Supreme Court justices and one Democrat Supreme Court justice.
02:20:24: And I believe the Democrat actually voted in favor of overturning
02:20:31: Roe v. Wade, the Democrat appointed Supreme Court justice did. And it was the other eight, I mean, not all eight of them, but it was everyone that voted against overturning
02:20:41: Roe v. Wade were all the Republican. So it was like five to six or whatever or something.
02:20:47: Also, we look back at Roe v. Wade itself. Yeah, exactly. Yep, Republicans too. Republicans. Yeah. So it's not going to help us.
02:20:54: And I think what's best about these films is your first film, to my mind, instructs the church on the duty of the church to do something.
02:21:02: Yeah. And to go out and start saving lives. Yeah. That's the challenging part of part one. Part two, you do an excellent job of teaching very seamlessly,
02:21:11: I think, teaching what are the major problems and then also responding to some of the objections.
02:21:16: Because I think people hearing this right now are probably going to hear what you're saying, pro -legalization, pro -life legislation, problem, problem, problem.
02:21:24: But they're going to probably go, but Roe v. Wade and we need the Supreme Court, which is what the pro -life establishment says.
02:21:32: We need the Supreme Court to go pro -life so we can overturn Roe. But you address that problem too in the film in terms of that's a wrong way to think about how we actually establish justice.
02:21:44: Right. The Supreme Court's not supposed to have legislative power like that. They're not the ones according to the Constitution that actually creates law.
02:21:50: Congress creates law. Yeah. So you are really arguing in the film that this needs to be something done at the local level where local magistrates, local communities actually resist the tyranny of the higher magistrate, higher court.
02:22:05: So can you talk about that a little bit? Yeah. So obviously if you've taken a basic civics class in school, you learn there's three branches of government, executive, legislative, and judicial.
02:22:18: Supreme Court is judicial. So the Supreme Court only over –
02:22:26: I'm sorry. The Congress is the legislative branch. So the Congress is the one that makes laws.
02:22:32: The judicial branch does not make laws. The executive branch does not make laws.
02:22:39: Not supposed to. They're not supposed to. Right. Right. There's executive orders and stuff, but that's another conversation.
02:22:45: But I think that's like essentially how status our nation has become. It's like we look and say, well, all three branches can make laws.
02:22:54: But that's not how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be only the Congress could make laws after they both voted on it, and then the
02:23:00: President had to approve it. And then now the Supreme Court can look at a law the
02:23:07: Congress makes and say, well, that's an unconstitutional law. But then what needs to happen is another law needs to be made.
02:23:15: But with Roe v. Wade, they said, well, Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional, whatever. But there wasn't ever any law put into effect.
02:23:23: It was never made into effect. So the Supreme Court only does opinions on individual – they don't do blanket changes or transformations like that.
02:23:35: They're only ruling on that one individual case, Roe v. Wade. So go ahead.
02:23:41: So when it comes to ignoring the Supreme Court, we see that it happens all the time.
02:23:50: The governor of New York ignored the Supreme Court by making sanctuary cities.
02:23:55: And he actually said, the governor of New York said to the local governments that you have a responsibility to essentially defy the federal government when it comes to allowing immigrants to enter into your state and illegal immigrants to enter into your state.
02:24:09: And then they went and passed a bill for full -term abortion. Yeah, and then they went and passed a bill for full -term abortion. But then you have
02:24:15: Colorado or Washington where they defy the federal government when it comes to marijuana laws.
02:24:21: Nevada. Yeah, Nevada. So there's always states who in some way defy the federal government.
02:24:28: And there's states that defy the federal government when it comes to gun laws and all sorts of other things.
02:24:34: So states defy the federal government all the time. And there's never even any consequences. When you had in Wisconsin, you had the
02:24:43: Fugitive Slave Act where they said, the Supreme Court said that slaves are property.
02:24:49: And if they are caught, a free slave is caught, they're to be returned back to their owner. Wisconsin said no and told the
02:24:57: Supreme Court to pound sand. And any slave that made it to Wisconsin was free. No matter what the
02:25:02: Supreme Court said. They didn't go to war over that. Nothing happened. And so that's why a lot of the founding fathers talk about the right for the states to nullify
02:25:14: Supreme Court rulings because that would be a legitimate check and balance on that.
02:25:23: It's a very Christian system in terms of accountability, division of powers.
02:25:32: It's a form of resistance to tyranny or the potential of tyranny. But the amazing thing with the sinful heart of man is that even with all of these checks and balances and a desire to resist tyrannical oppressive regimes, we're facing that today not because the regime actually has the power.
02:25:51: It's because we're so ignorant. We're a nation that has been indoctrinated in such a way that we don't understand our history.
02:25:59: We don't understand how our laws work. None of those things. I mean, you've got people now, it's crazy. You have these videos where they go do interviews on the street.
02:26:06: I saw one yesterday where they were going on the street and they were just asking basic questions about life.
02:26:13: Everyone's supposed to know this stuff. They walked up to random people on the boulevard and they were like, how many days does it take for the earth to go around the sun?
02:26:25: And people were like, this girl was like, 24? It was just like, wow.
02:26:32: They're voting. She's voting. Probably, if she can make her way to the place where she votes.
02:26:40: So that's the problem is we don't know the strength that we have legally.
02:26:45: For example, we've said, we've all gone. The three of us have gone to the
02:26:51: Phoenix legislature to go and to demand justice. And we've told them it's illegal right now in Arizona to have an abortion.
02:27:00: AZ statute 13 -3603 is the law in our books. Amazing thing. It's never been taken away.
02:27:07: It's never been changed. The amazing thing is that stuff has only been added to it to strengthen it. From the pro -life organizations.
02:27:15: But the amazing thing is the pro -life organizations are adding stuff to a law that says it's already illegal.
02:27:21: And it's like, just point to the law. It says it's already illegal. No addition is necessary. It's just illegal.
02:27:27: I think you could add an addition in terms of criminalization and penalty to it. That would help a little better.
02:27:33: Strengthen it. Boost it. But right now, it is illegal in Arizona to have an abortion.
02:27:39: It's illegal in Texas to have an abortion. According to Texas state law and Arizona state law, it's illegal in Idaho right now to have an abortion.
02:27:46: According to Idaho state law. So you have three states right there that it's technically right now currently illegal.
02:27:52: You could seriously just point to it tomorrow in the legislature and say we're going to uphold that. But the problem is we've got people who have been indoctrinated to think that the
02:28:01: Supreme Court makes laws. And that all these things are ultimately in control. Yeah. Why are you smiling?
02:28:08: No. Do you think it's something funny? No, I'm good. I was just going to say,
02:28:13: I think we talked about this the last show we did, but it's just cowardice. People are literally afraid of the federal abuse.
02:28:21: And I don't know what's so funny. But let's just be honest. It's all about money. Right. Because the real fear with these states, say
02:28:31: Texas where you have this. He's still laughing. What is he doing? I don't know. You have these. What is it,
02:28:37: Marcus? We just got to cut for a minute. Okay. We'll have to cut and come back.
02:28:42: I don't know why, but like that Eric Swalwell fart gate just like while we're on camera. Do you remember that?
02:28:48: No. Do you remember that? No. It just popped in my head while I was doing this. Oh, I see.
02:28:54: I thought you were yawning. No. I was thinking that's like a 20 -second yawn.
02:29:00: Did you see it? No. Y 'all didn't see it? Fart gate? Did y 'all see it? Yeah. Okay. By the way, we're keeping all of this in.
02:29:07: I'm going to have to watch it now. There's no cut. Presidential candidate. He's being interviewed. Wait. Why'd you want to cut? This is good show concept.
02:29:14: This is gold. Okay. This is gold. No, no. Go ahead. Just go. I want to hear about it now. Eric, okay. Eric Swalwell, he's a presidential candidate.
02:29:21: He's being interviewed on MSNBC and he farts right in the middle of it. For real? Yeah, for real. For real?
02:29:27: Yeah, for real. I did not see that. Wait. Is the video available? Oh, yeah.
02:29:32: Okay. We're going to cut to that right now. It's going to be in this. Ready? And ... Chris, so far, the evidence is uncontradicted that the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the
02:29:42: Ukrainians to help him cheat in an election. The complaint that I've heard from Republicans all last week was that you don't have anyone who heard the ...
02:29:49: Oh, my God. Oh, that's hilarious. That's just ... I don't know why you would ever ask us to cut from that.
02:29:55: This is ... Have you been gone that long? Wait. Okay. What did we say when we were talking about this that made you think of that?
02:30:02: Because all I see is Marcus all of a sudden go ... It was just that I was being interviewed at the time, and I was thinking of him being interviewed at the time.
02:30:10: Okay. Were you afraid you were going to fart? Is that why? We talked about it once, and I was like, oh. I don't even remember what we were talking about.
02:30:16: Well, I think I shouted at Carmen before. Okay. All right. All right. Luke, you were asking Carmen. So we were talking about how they're afraid because of money.
02:30:24: And so, ultimately, the problem in Texas, their concern is if we were to actually pass and uphold this righteous law, which they know is a righteous law.
02:30:40: I'm sorry. I'm just trying to hold it in. Oh my gosh.
02:30:45: Okay. Sorry. I know. I'm sorry. I wish it was Jeff Leach that did it.
02:30:52: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No, it's fine. The problem is they're like, well, the federal government's going to take our funding.
02:31:01: Our funding. Oh. I'm sorry. Okay. This is good. Okay. Okay.
02:31:07: Take a breath. Okay. Come back. Okay. I'm going to just focus. I think we were wanting to raise money for EAN for 2020.
02:31:14: No, that's enough. No. So, yeah. It's funding. It's the funding, not the farting.
02:31:20: Okay. Oh, man. All right. So, they don't want to lose the money. Right. And they're like, well, if we do this, then the government's going to take their money from us.
02:31:27: And that's what it boils down to. Yeah. There's a lot of money involved. I wanted to talk about that, because that's a huge factor for us.
02:31:35: When we first started End Abortion Now, we didn't have any money. Zero. Zero. We knew we had this grand project ahead of us, a huge need.
02:31:46: This was serious. The churches all needed to get involved in this, but we didn't have any ability to do it. So, what we did, we came up with the most basic nuts and bolts budget.
02:31:55: Right. Luke and I didn't get paid. Right. Because that's not what it was about.
02:32:01: It was about the need to get churches now equipped to go do the work. We didn't have any money, so we raised a small budget.
02:32:08: What was the first year's budget? $250 ,000, I think. No, it wasn't that for the first year, was it? Was it?
02:32:14: Yeah. Okay. So, the first year budget, local church gets involved and starts equipping other churches.
02:32:20: Yeah. $250 ,000. And I don't even know how many hundreds. Was it 200 first year? Churches? I think so.
02:32:27: Somewhere around there. Yeah. Those churches now have saved thousands and thousands of lives. And so, each year we've gone up incrementally just because of the need.
02:32:36: More churches, more need, more media. But the effect of it all is the amount of budget that was needed to do the damage, the righteous damage that was caused through End Abortion Now was so tiny.
02:32:52: Yeah. You know what you haven't seen the pro -life movement actually developing? Developing a community of people that actually go to the legislature and start actually demanding justice and to end it now.
02:33:02: No, because they want to control that. Right. That's where the power is. Yeah. So, for them, the power is up at the top.
02:33:10: Right. So, you know, the people like Carol Tobias and all the leaders that they give awards to, like that's where their power is.
02:33:21: Whereas what we're saying is the power isn't in our top lobbyists.
02:33:27: Our organization. Our organization. Right. The power is in your local church. With your people. Yeah, your local church and the people going out and sharing the gospel either at the abortion clinic or to the city legislator.
02:33:41: Yeah. So, that's like, actually, I would say that End Abortion Now is cancer to what they're doing because it's decentralizing what they're doing.
02:33:51: That's what I would say. Yeah, because they're saying, the pro -life lobbies are saying, we need to form a big army.
02:34:01: We need to come together and then all of you guys need to do what we tell you to do. We'll lead it. Yeah, we'll lead it.
02:34:07: We'll be the face. We have the ear of the president. We have the ear of all these people.
02:34:13: And what we're saying is, don't worry about the people at the top.
02:34:19: You guys just pay attention and do what's in your local city. And then anytime
02:34:26: Christianity has decentralized something, it's changed the world.
02:34:33: So, like printing press, medicine. Christianity has always decentralized things.
02:34:43: So, that's one of the principles of economics that Christianity is so good at. And so, when you can sit there and take the decentralization of lobbying and say, no, no, no.
02:34:56: Just have the church do it. Have the church go to their city councils. Have the church get involved in state legislator, state laws.
02:35:03: And as Vadibakum says, and babies are still murdered here, he says, the reason we always looked at what the president of the
02:35:12: Supreme Court says is because we're statists. And we've just embraced statism and think that all the power is there.
02:35:20: And he says, what we need is a sheriff that can look at something the federal government does and says, not in my county.
02:35:29: Yes. So, that, I think, sums up exactly what we want to do.
02:35:35: And I think if – I mean, there's 400 churches already, right?
02:35:41: More than that. We're close to 450. 450? That's a lot. It's a lot.
02:35:47: That can do a lot of damage to a centralized power. Yeah. And so, once –
02:35:54: I mean, and the more of that we have, the more churches that we have, eventually
02:36:02: I think you'll see that the pro -life organizations are just drowned out by the work that we're doing.
02:36:09: And no one is going to pay attention. And the thing with us, too, is all of those little mini -movements in their communities are all privately governed, privately funded by those local churches.
02:36:20: Right. And what's interesting, too, is that what we were able to accomplish by God's grace and through God's people being so sacrificial is that all these churches that have received training from And Abortion Now and resources and can now communicate to one another literally moment -by -moment worldwide through the app that was created, all of that came at zero cost to those churches.
02:36:45: Right. We did not ask them for a penny. Right. That's significant.
02:36:50: Yeah. Is that we've trusted the Lord to give through his people sacrificially to bless these churches and help them.
02:36:57: Yeah. We didn't say, here's a kit, and now can you cough up some money for our organization?
02:37:04: What we're saying is, no, we're a local church that's trying to equip and train other local churches. We're just a church.
02:37:10: Yeah. We're a local church. We're pastors. And this is a mission of the church. And look what happened.
02:37:15: You highlight it in your film, Marcus. You highlight how you had pastors and just members of churches going to their local legislatures, children demanding justice for the pre -born and an immediate end to abortion in sanctuary cities.
02:37:30: All that happened because local churches started getting involved. Like you said, decentralization. Take the power away from the pro -life industry.
02:37:37: Yeah. Well, see, that's how you know a movement is gaining speed.
02:37:43: So there's also a bad form of decentralization when, for example, the regulations on the pro -life on abortion clinics are causing the decentralization of abortion pills.
02:38:02: So like you have, you know, like RE -486 and the morning after pills are becoming easier and easier to get. And then the pro -life lobbies are looking and saying, well, look, guys, the abortion numbers at clinics are down.
02:38:14: But they're not saying, you know, that the abortion bills are. It'd be like me saying, look, guys, nobody takes a taxicab anymore.
02:38:21: We did it. We ended the taxicab industry. And you go, no, more people are taking Uber and Lyft now more than ever took a taxicab.
02:38:28: I never took a taxicab, but I've taken hundreds of Lyfts in my lifetime. Yeah. Right. So it wouldn't be wise for me to say, see, the regulations on the taxicab industry, the need to have a medallion has really, you know, stopped, you know, the amount of traffic on the streets in New York.
02:38:48: No, that's increased it. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. So that's with any business.
02:38:55: Any business, when something is regulated, highly regulated, you know, it's like in Jurassic Park when
02:39:03: Goldblum, Jeff Goldblum says, nature will find a way.
02:39:09: Like that's how capitalism works through regulation. It'll be like water, and it'll find a path of least resistance.
02:39:16: And then before you know it, you've got a whole other waterfall on your hand that's completely unregulated. Happened with smoking industry.
02:39:23: Smoking industry regulated themselves as a means to keep competition up.
02:39:28: And then vaping started, and it was completely unregulated.
02:39:34: And so it just blew up. And so that's just how it happens over and over and over again. And so if we can get through a decentralized form of political lobbying through the local church, then you'll see that the pro -life lobbies, the national pro -life lobby will be less and less effective.
02:39:59: I was going to say, this really is a grassroots movement. We were just talking about today, I think, right? Someone had messaged us, and they were saying they watched, what, a quarter of the film?
02:40:07: And they were like, it completely turned my whole view on this upside down. They didn't even finish the film.
02:40:13: And I was like, you have to get your pro -life friends and family to watch it. You have to share this. And that's how this works.
02:40:18: It's completely grassroots. Share this with everyone that you know of that's going to be affected by this. That's the great thing.
02:40:25: It's the great thing about this idea we have of platforming. We don't want to talk about someone because we don't want to get –
02:40:34: National Right to Life doesn't want to publicly talk about an abortion now. We know from experience that they've shut us out of conversations.
02:40:44: Because they said we're not pro -life, we're crazy. Right. But the great thing about that is that just means there's no competition because they're not addressing the issues that we're bringing up.
02:41:00: They're just ignoring us. This happened with Sega versus Nintendo, right? Nintendo wanted to pretend that Sega wasn't a threat to them in the 90s, and they just completely ignored them.
02:41:10: And by the time they had to respond to them, Sega had like half the retail space in Toys R Us.
02:41:17: Wow. So that's just – the deplatforming thing doesn't work. So now they're in a tough situation where they have to decide, do we talk about them, do we not, do we continue to ignore them?
02:41:29: If they come at us now, that would be great. But that's just the situation they've put themselves in, which is great.
02:41:40: But also, they can't really address end abortion now because there's so many churches involved.
02:41:47: Who are they talking about? Are they talking about the entire Protestant Reformed Church? Right.
02:41:53: We're talking about a biblical view of this issue. So that's what you really have to come after. It's not end abortion now.
02:41:59: It's not the personalities. It's just Christians. That's a good point. Exactly. They're in a tough spot.
02:42:05: Yep. You're going to have to come. Let's start the conversation, and we can probably end it here. It's how the film begins with John Speed.
02:42:12: Why did they ignore the first film? Because John says we were talking about abortion in terms of it being murder and that people need to come to Christ in the issue.
02:42:23: And I think that that's one of the first topics of conversation that's going to come up if they finally address this. And they're ultimately going to have to at some point because of what
02:42:31: God is doing through his church. The main thing you're going to have to address there is that first point. Is this murder?
02:42:40: Babies are still murdered here. That's the distinction. This is a biblical perspective because murder, according to Scripture and law, is the unjustified killing of a human being with malice of forethought.
02:42:51: That's murder. And that's what's happening at abortion clinics every single day across this country. And the people who are engaging it are the moms and dads with malice of forethought killing a human being.
02:43:02: And it's unjustified. And that's what's happening. And that's the industry itself. And the pro -life movement won't ultimately acknowledge it.
02:43:09: And that's what we say has to be acknowledged. And that has to be legislated against on the basis of it being murder.
02:43:15: But then you have the ERLC who just posted an article. I don't know if you saw it. Did you see it?
02:43:20: It came out yesterday. No. Where they try to argue presuppositionally that because women know their sin, they know their sin is, that we shouldn't address abortion as murder because they're already aware.
02:43:39: And they're creating the image of God have knowledge of sin. Therefore, we just don't need to mention that it's murder.
02:43:47: We just need to treat it just like any other. And that's the way the ERLC would not do. They would not treat abortion that way.
02:43:55: The way they treat abortion in that way, they wouldn't do with child predators in the church or racism.
02:44:02: They want to be very outspoken and loud about that. But when it comes to women who've had abortions, it's like, well, they already know.
02:44:11: Romans 1. You've got to read that article if you haven't. I've got to read it. That sounds terrible. I won't make any comments until I read it.
02:44:17: All right. So we need everyone to watch the film, review the film, and give stars and reviews on Amazon Prime.
02:44:26: It's okay to do now? Yeah, just make sure you watch it, actually watch it, because Amazon's commenting review system is incredibly complex.
02:44:35: Somebody was telling me they can tell based on if your Facebook account is connected to Amazon, if you're friends with the person who published it.
02:44:45: Interesting. Really? Yeah. So that's why there was all these people saying, well, my review's not coming through.
02:44:51: So just make sure you actually watch it and then review it. Just play it all through an interview.
02:44:57: Yeah, just play it all through an interview. Also, watch it on YouTube, which it's already basically stifled on YouTube because of the algorithm.
02:45:03: It's somewhere around 40 ,000 or 50 ,000. Facebook is 200 ,000 maybe, somewhere around there.
02:45:08: I think Amazon's going to blow through that, though. Amazon's the thing where it's going to be seen globally, I think, effectively. So everyone needs to see it, share it, sit down, do a
02:45:15: Bible study. Add a Bible study with friends, go over it together, fellowship, have dinner together with Christian friends and your church members and watch it together.
02:45:23: Play it for your churches. Play it for your church. Pastors, play it for your churches. Send it to your local legislators, too. Yeah, send a link to your local legislators.
02:45:29: That's very good, yes. So endabortionnow .com is where you guys can go to get more. We actually have a brand new website.
02:45:35: Which is awesome. Which is amazing. Good job, Ted. More is going to be done next year in 2020. So in 2020, we have a whole new year ahead of us where it's now next stage.
02:45:45: Every year, it's been building steps. Next stage, next stage, next stage. 2020, big year for us, next stage.
02:45:51: And this is where we really have to begin implementing the whole thing. The first year, you and I did this. We started talking about a game plan.
02:45:57: We're putting everything together. And we're like, it has to be this stage, this stage, this stage. And we were talking about how that would look. It took some time to build all that.
02:46:05: Well, now all that's in there in terms of the church, getting to the abortion mills, the media, the legislature, that whole thing, that trifecta thing.
02:46:12: It's ready to go. It's all ready to go now. So 2020 now is the first year where now it's like, this is full implementation now.
02:46:19: Let's do this. Let's finally end abortion. And I believe we can do it. I think 2020 could be a year where actually there's going to be a state, there can be a state that will ultimately criminalize and abolish, end abortion in their state.
02:46:31: It's possible to do, but it'll take the church to do it. And we're in it. We're in it to do it. We're in it to help the church.
02:46:37: So go to endabortionnow .com. Sign your church up there. Get all the free training and resources. But more importantly,
02:46:43: I think, in light of all that we've said, go to endabortionnow .com and give.
02:46:49: Give towards 2020. Give towards all of the work that we're doing to pour into churches, to raise churches up, to give them all their training and all their equipping.
02:46:58: Give towards the work of all the media. People don't realize, I think, like, okay, I don't want to extend this conversation, but I was just talking to Matt DeJesus the other day.
02:47:08: He just got back from New York City where he did a project with HBO. They're doing a project on AI and all those different things, and he was the
02:47:15: Christian commentator. And there's some big names. Some big names. It's a huge project.
02:47:20: They've been working on it for two years, apparently. But I got worried about what some of the numbers were.
02:47:27: It was $30 ,000 a day just to rent the studio. For two years.
02:47:32: $30 ,000 a day to rent the studio. Well, for Matt DeJesus, the studio stuff, they were doing $30 ,000 a day for the studio rental.
02:47:40: People, I think, don't understand that in order to produce a film like we've done, there's a lot of cost involved, a tremendous amount of cost involved.
02:47:51: But they also need to realize, I think, hopefully they'll realize the impact of that film is completely global transforming.
02:48:02: It is truly globally transforming. And I want everyone to hear this. Peanuts. Peanuts.
02:48:10: Compared to the budgets of these major pro -life organizations, peanuts. We've been able to accomplish as a local church what has been devastating to the industry and what has saved thousands of lives, and we've done it with peanuts.
02:48:26: And it's because Christians have been faithful over the last couple of years to give towards, at the end of every year we do a fundraising thing for the next year's labor, and every year
02:48:35: Christians have been faithful to give towards this work. I think 2020 is an election year.
02:48:41: I think something that In Abortion Now is doing, a goal of ours should be to have something that we're doing to be a topic of debate in the presidential elections this year.
02:48:53: I think we have 400 churches. I think we can do something pretty significant that will force a presidential debate question.
02:49:01: Yeah. A decision. Yeah. Let's do that together. So if you go to inabortionnow .com, you guys can give towards that.
02:49:07: You can do it right now. Give towards the labor, the work, the ministry of 2020. Marcus is with us, and he's going to be helping build content for us and meet all the work we're doing for In Abortion Now in 2020.
02:49:18: We're together. The team is together, and we're laboring together as Christians in the context of the gospel as a local church.
02:49:25: You can partner with us by giving at inabortionnow .com. Just go there. Check out the site, and especially go and sign your church up for In Abortion Now to start saving lives.
02:49:37: It's the most important ministry, I think, that we have as a church. I think that's why
02:49:44: I know that it's only possible through you. Thank you, guys. That's Luke DeBere. Happy New Year to you in jail.
02:49:50: That's right. That's King Ginger. Going home. They're waiting for you. I'm Tim Durbin. Thank you guys for watching. Until next week, Merry Christmas, everybody.
02:49:55: Merry Christmas. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.
02:50:04: Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the
02:50:15: United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon Scripture, the
02:50:25: Word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.
02:50:31: We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.
02:50:40: We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.
02:50:52: We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.
02:51:00: Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,
02:51:09: God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the
02:51:24: United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the
02:51:32: United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.
02:51:44: At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.
02:51:51: Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what
02:51:57: God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, and not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel and conflict with abortion through media around the globe.
02:52:19: We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary
02:52:25: Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pittman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.
02:52:39: This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.
02:52:56: Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.
02:53:18: You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.
02:53:30: You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the
02:53:39: United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the
02:53:47: United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.
02:53:55: It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.
02:54:12: You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.
02:54:24: In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year, and we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019.
02:54:34: We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning. In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us.
02:54:43: Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with the message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year, we pray, that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.
02:55:21: That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.
02:55:27: 2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.
02:55:47: Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.
02:55:54: All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.
02:56:05: So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.
02:56:21: Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.
02:56:28: Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.
02:57:05: I was born in Las Vegas, and some of my best, favorite, most emotional, intimate memories are from when
02:57:20: I was a little boy. And I would go to visit family in Las Vegas, and I remember distinctly, really distinctly, always flying into Las Vegas at nighttime.
02:57:36: And I remember looking out the window of the airplane always as a little boy. My favorite moment was when we were coming into Las Vegas, and you could see just darkness, but this city lighting up everything.
02:57:51: And I remember as a little boy just thinking how glorious it looked, and how beautiful and amazing, and I was in awe of this city that I was born in.
02:58:02: And I remember the feeling of just seeing just pure darkness, and this light just lighting up the darkness.
02:58:12: And to this day, whenever I'm traveling or doing ministry, and we get to come through Vegas, one of my favorite things to do is to come into Las Vegas at nighttime and see the lights lighting everything up.
02:58:27: And it's amazing too, because if you look around this incredible spectacle in the desert, you see just the lights and the veneer, but underneath the surface of all of this is this intense, idolatry, rebellion and opposition.
02:58:53: You see, here is a city that is called, what? Sin City.
02:59:00: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. That's the motto, right? People come here from all over the world.
02:59:06: I mean, you walk down the streets here, just tonight you can hear accents from all over the world,
02:59:12: Ireland, Scotland, England, Africa, everywhere. I mean, it's all represented on the street here.
02:59:19: And people come here from all over the world to party, to engage in the pursuit of pleasure.
02:59:27: It's underneath all of this. All of the lights in darkness here is just a veneer.
02:59:33: It's just on the surface. And underneath it is this intense rebellion in pursuit of pleasure.
02:59:39: There is the pursuit of drugs and alcohol and sex, sex without consequences, only it has a tremendous amount of consequences.
02:59:51: Underneath all of this, sex without consequences, the idolatry of sexual morality is the consequence of life, the beauty of life, the forming of a new life.
03:00:03: And in this town, in this city with no consequences, and where what happens here stays here, you have the consequence of all of the sexual immorality and all the rest, and you have the consequence which is really glorious consequence, and that's life, the beauty of life.
03:00:23: And in this town you have Planned Parenthood and the abortion facilities that actually address the consequences of what happens here stays here.
03:00:35: And you have children every single day in this city and in this state that are killed as a result of this kind of a lifestyle.
03:00:44: And it's really an amazing blessing to see that since God formed
03:00:50: End Abortion Now through Apologia Church, we have churches in Nevada and in Las Vegas who are bringing the gospel into this city in the darkness, into the context of the pursuit of pleasure, the gospel to the abortion mills, saving lives.
03:01:10: It's incredible, actually, when you think about that experience I had as a little boy, flying into the darkness and then seeing this city in the darkness, lighting up the darkness.
03:01:25: It's really actually how Jesus describes the church, is that that's our mission.
03:01:32: Our mission is to be salt. Salt is a preservative. It actually stops things from spoil and decay.
03:01:39: It's not just to make things taste better. It's to stop things from spoil and decay and rot.
03:01:45: And Jesus says that we're the light of the world. We're the ones that actually set light into darkness and light dispels darkness.
03:01:52: And that really is the mission of the church in the world. People ask the question, should we be involved in bringing the gospel in the area of abortion?
03:02:01: I mean, isn't it enough just to be pro -life within the walls of the church and pro -life between our ears and in our homes?
03:02:06: Is that enough? And the answer is no, not according to Jesus in his most famous sermon.
03:02:13: He calls us to be salt that actually stops things from spoil and decay, and he calls us to be light that dispels the darkness.
03:02:19: We're supposed to be, as the church, the city in darkness. That when people actually look into the world and all the darkness in the world, it's the people of God that are lighting up the darkness.
03:02:32: We're supposed to be that incredible spectacle in the desert, this wasteland of lostness and sin in the world.
03:02:40: We're supposed to be that amazing spectacle of light that is just blazing out of the darkness and dispelling the darkness.
03:02:50: That's the mission of the church. And you can be a part of it. We actually have lights right now in the desert bringing the gospel into the area of abortion.
03:03:00: And you can actually sign up, your church, and bring the gospel into conflict with abortion, and you can save lives.
03:03:08: Just a couple of days ago, we learned about four lives saved just in one morning. Thousands of lives have been saved.
03:03:15: You can be a part of being that light and that salt. Just go to endabortionnow .com,
03:03:22: and you can get your church signed up for free, get free training, and get free resources to be a part of the mission of the church, to be that light in the darkness, to be that salt that stops things from spoil and decay, and to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.
03:03:38: You can sign up right now for free. Free training, free resources. Everything is given away to your local church.
03:03:45: Just go to endabortionnow .com. Good morning, honorable representatives of Arizona.
03:03:55: My name is Elvis Kesto, a registered nurse with the state of Arizona and a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ. I'm here this morning to speak about a most egregious evil taking place in our very backyard.
03:04:05: Every day, over 3 ,000 babies are murdered in utero. Let me explain. A first trimester abortion can be done several ways.
03:04:12: Taking the RU486 pill, which deprives the baby of life -sustaining progesterone, much like strangling a child until she dies.
03:04:20: In a bizarre twist of irony, the German chemical manufacturer IG Farben that supplied the gas used in the
03:04:27: Nazi Holocaust, get this, is also the company that later provided RU486 for America's new
03:04:34: Holocaust. Surgical suction DNC, usually from 5 to 13 weeks, is the most common first trimester abortion.
03:04:40: A suction device about 20 times more powerful than a household vacuum is turned on, and the growing baby is rapidly torn apart limb from limb.
03:04:49: Mind you, at just 18 days, a heartbeat is detected. A second trimester abortion performed at 13 to 24 weeks is known as dilatation and evacuation.
03:04:58: Because the child is so large, the mother's cervix must be dilated 24 hours in advance. A sulfur clamp with jagged metal teeth on the end is used to clamp down on a limb, and the abortionist pulls and twists as hard as he can, brutally tearing off a leg, an arm, spinal cord, heart, intestines, one by one as the baby is writhing in abject pain, desperately trying to move away.
03:05:20: Meanwhile, the baby's blood is profusely poured out through mom's body in the same canal that was meant to receive this body, this child with arms of love and joy.
03:05:29: The most difficult part is the head because the skull has calcified. The abortionist goes back in, clamps down hard, and he knows he's crushed the head when a white substance comes oozing down his clamp.
03:05:41: This was the baby's brains. He then assembles the baby on a medical tray like a puzzle to make sure there are two legs, two arms, and all the pieces.
03:05:49: What I am describing is murder. Under Arizona Statute 133603, abortion is a crime punishable by no less than two years in prison.
03:05:58: My friends, God's judgment is upon this once -great land. The Bible says
03:06:04: God hates the hands that shed innocent blood. We must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ and give an account of what we did to help the most precious and innocent among us.
03:06:16: God commands you as civil magistrates to uphold justice. By hearing this today, God will hold you accountable to how you respond.
03:06:24: Consider that your life is a vapor. You are here today, and you're gone tomorrow. Jesus said, if he gains a whole world and loses his own soul.
03:06:34: It is not my desire that you drink a sea of his wrath for a fleeting moment of borrowed pleasure.
03:06:40: I truly love you all, and I'm praying for you guys to do the right thing. Please check out endabortionnow .com for more information.
03:06:47: Thank you. Thank you for having me.
03:06:59: My name is Marcus Pittman. I'm a documentary filmmaker, and I live in Mesa, Arizona.
03:07:05: And that's why I'm messing with my mic, because I'm a filmmaker. I just want to say that the reason
03:07:12: I am here is because I am seeing people all over this nation go to their local city councils, and they're telling people in their city councils to stop the madness.
03:07:26: To stop. And here's the thing. I'm here today. I've been to Arizona. I've been to Washington, D .C.
03:07:33: And people are rising up all over the country. I've been to Oklahoma. And people are rising up.
03:07:40: And they're demanding that their council members do what the pro -life organizations haven't done in 46 years, and it's just to end it.
03:07:50: So I am against, I'm actually against you guys sending a letter to Andrew Cuomo.
03:07:57: I'm telling you to stop it. If Andrew Cuomo were to have legalized rape, if he were to have legalized child molestation, if he were to have legalized sex trafficking,
03:08:15: I wouldn't ask you guys to send a letter. I would ask you guys to go and demand that all those people come to Batavia.
03:08:25: And the reason that we're talking about a letter is because you guys don't believe that abortion is actually murder.
03:08:33: If you actually believed that abortion was murder, you would be standing up with us begging the children to come to Batavia.
03:08:43: But we're sitting here and we're discussing this like it's something up for debate.
03:08:49: So let me remind you of the Fugitive Slave Act. The Supreme Court issued the Fugitive Slave Act that said if a slave flees and he is captured in the
03:09:00: North, he is to be returned to his owner. And the state of Wisconsin said no.
03:09:07: They will be free. And they defied the Supreme Court. They defied the
03:09:12: Supreme Court. They said no. That is an unethical, immoral law. Black people are not property.
03:09:18: Slaves are not property. And we're sitting here debating abortion. And I'm sorry.
03:09:24: I know there's people here that said, well, here's proof that a baby in the womb is a baby. You guys know that a baby in the womb is a baby.
03:09:31: We don't have to prove that to you guys. Are you serious? Are you kidding me?
03:09:36: We're sitting here looking at signs with babies on it, but a woman doesn't sit there and think they have a clump of cells when they go to pay someone to murder their child.
03:09:47: They don't walk out of tears. My friend over here says people don't walk out of abortion.
03:09:53: They walk out of abortion clinics in tears, but they don't go to the dermatologist, get a mole removed, and walk away with tears.
03:10:00: Why are we discussing this? Why are we having this conversation? It's so silly.
03:10:06: And years from now, Jesus Christ, the king of the universe, he's going to end abortion.
03:10:11: He's either going to do it in Batavia or he's going to do it somewhere else. And history is going to show years from now that we were sitting here discussing this, pretending to be rational, when the truth is that it's ridiculous to even discuss it.
03:10:27: It's ridiculous. And Jesus Christ is Lord, and he says in Psalm 2, for the rulers of the earth to kiss the sun lest they perish.
03:10:37: That means to obey his law. And we know God's law. Thou shalt not murder.
03:10:43: And I ask you, I beg you to stop discussing this and end it.
03:10:49: And when Andrew Cuomo takes your letter and he rips it up, I beg you to defy tyranny, just like the great people in Scripture did when they defied tyranny and they said,
03:11:03: Repent. I beg that you guys do that too. In the name of our king, Jesus Christ, who is ruling and reigning today.
03:11:10: Thank you. Good afternoon.
03:11:25: My name is James White. I am a minister, an author, and a professor.
03:11:31: In April of 1945, American forces were moving into the heart of Germany, and they freed a city called
03:11:39: Weimar. It's a beautiful little city. Right up on the hill outside of Weimar was a very large camp.
03:11:46: We know it today as the Buchenwald Concentration Camp. What they found there has become the stuff of legend.
03:11:53: It wasn't as large as Auschwitz. It wasn't as large as Dachau. But, for example, the camp superintendent's wife, she was fascinated by human skin.
03:12:05: She had a lampshade made out of human skin. She was fascinated by tattoos, so she would have people killed and have their tattoos preserved.
03:12:14: The kind of horrific things that took place in Buchenwald over years so shocked the
03:12:21: American leadership that when Dwight D. Eisenhower and General Patton toured the camp, General Patton commanded that the mayor and magistrates and leading citizens of Weimar be forced to tour the camp to see what had been done right under their eyes for many years.
03:12:41: Now, most of us would say that that was a moral act on the part of the Americans. The question that I have is, history looks very much askance at the citizens of Weimar.
03:12:53: They did nothing. They said, We didn't know! How could they not know what was going on within plain view up there on the hill?
03:13:03: They knew, but they kept their eyes down. They didn't want to see, and so history has treated them very, very poorly.
03:13:11: The question I have for us today is, how will history treat us? Because the reality is, within the borders of the city of Phoenix, more innocent children have been killed in equally gruesome ways than were ever killed in the
03:13:27: Buchenwald concentration camp in the entire years that it was in operation. How will history look at us?
03:13:36: Will there be a General Patton that has to rise from the dead and force us to walk through the abortuaries? But I don't think history is the most important thing.
03:13:46: How will the judge of all history look upon us when we stand before him? He knows whether we knew or not, and we live in a day where there's no reason not to know what's going on, not to know the humanity of the pre -born child.
03:14:01: Will he look upon the donations that we received from Planned Parenthood? Will he see those things?
03:14:07: I ask you, please, make the city of Phoenix a sanctuary city for pre -born children.
03:14:16: Save us from the infamy and the cowardice of Weimar. Thank you very much.
03:14:30: Esteemed Phoenix City Council, thank you once again for the opportunity to speak to you today. My name is Reverend Luke Pearson.
03:14:35: I am the Discipleship Pastor at Apologia Church in Mesa and co -founder of End Abortion Now. You all know by now why we come here to speak to you.
03:14:43: It is to protect the lives of our pre -born neighbors, your very own pre -born constituents. To encourage you to uphold
03:14:50: Arizona Revised Statute 13 -3603, calling abortion murder. To plead with you to make
03:14:57: Phoenix a sanctuary city for these beautiful children. To allow these precious little ones an opportunity to have their inalienable rights that were granted to them by our forefathers and by their creator.
03:15:09: We are extremely grateful that you allow your citizens this time to voice our concerns. My question for you all today, however, is do you seriously care when we come up here to speak?
03:15:20: Do you genuinely care what the citizens under your jurisdiction are concerned with? The same ones that have voted you into power and the same ones that can vote you out.
03:15:30: We, the people, are ultimately the ones that you are accountable to. You can say with your mouth that you care, but your actions speak otherwise.
03:15:41: You have moved citizen comments to the end and we know that you're required to not sit here and listen to us.
03:15:48: By the way, I'm not sure who the gentleman was earlier that came up. As soon as our time came up to speak, he started talking to all you guys and distracting you, which
03:15:57: I will say is frustrating for us. Mayor Gallego, I thank you for your attention this week.
03:16:04: As I noticed last time we were here, you got up and left in the middle of a mentally challenged man speaking, so thank you for your attention today.
03:16:10: I appreciate that. I would like to speak to Councilman DeCiccio. Unfortunately, I see he's not here again today, but I will say this and I hope he's able to hear this.
03:16:20: Sir, I must express my disappointment in you. You sat here and told us how pro -life you are and how you support our endeavors.
03:16:27: That last time we were here, while attending via your phone, you hung up in the middle of a brave young mother pleading for the lives of these children.
03:16:35: Respectfully, sir, your pro -life words are meaningless if your actions do not back them up. And the same goes for you,
03:16:41: Councilman Waring. You are supported by Arizona's largest pro -life groups, and yet you continue to sneer and grin and half the time don't pay attention when we are pleading for life.
03:16:51: Respectfully, sir, it is also your time to back up your pro -life label with your actions. Today I plead with you to do the hard thing.
03:16:59: Please do not ignore us. The easy thing is to pretend like 40 precious babies are not being murdered in their mothers' wombs every day in this state.
03:17:08: The painless thing is to not consider how incredible it is that your very own mothers chose life for you.
03:17:14: The cowardly thing is not trying to visualize children being torn limb from limb or imagining the sound of a tiny skull being crushed by a pair of metal forceps held in the hands of a hired assassin or wondering what it must feel like to be chemically burned alive in your mother's womb.
03:17:32: Please be brave. Please be courageous. If you have any questions, please visit inabortionnow .com.
03:17:38: To God alone be the glory. Thank you. Non -rockabotists must stop.
03:20:22: I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it. Are you going to bark all day, little doggie?
03:20:30: Or are you going to bite? We're being delusional. Delusional is okay in your world view.
03:20:35: I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your world view is perfectly okay.
03:20:43: It doesn't really hurt. She hung up on me. What? What? Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men.
03:20:57: The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men lauding them for their courage.
03:21:03: Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives.
03:21:09: Right. Don't go into the world and make homies. Right. Disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle neck.
03:21:17: That's a joke, pastor. When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.
03:21:42: Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him. Rooted and built up in him and established in the faith just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
03:21:53: See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
03:22:04: What's up, everybody? Amen. Welcome back to Apologia Radio. That verse is what's up.
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03:22:24: If you see us looking around, it's because I couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. If you see us looking confused, there's a reason for it.
03:22:31: Welcome back, though. My name is Luke DeBear. This is the third week in a row I'm hosting this. I know, man. I'm starting to get comfortable here.
03:22:39: Welcome back. Zach Attack. That was good. Yeah. Good to be back, man. Good to be here always. He won't be stealing my hamburger today because we are not having hamburgers.
03:22:48: That's right. No Hamburglar -ing going on today. I'm going to be terror rocking it, though.
03:22:59: Back is the king of the gingers. Back at it.
03:23:04: Marky Mark. Dude, your beard is glorious right now. It's really getting nice, too. It's like enveloping your microphone.
03:23:12: Yeah. It's pretty awesome. That's how beards are supposed to be. Amen to that. Your beard is good. Amen to that.
03:23:18: Well, hey, I want to get into this here quickly. Yeah, let's do it. I don't have anything funny to talk about today.
03:23:25: All business. We have back with us for the second week in a row our dear friend,
03:23:32: Mr. John Speed. Hey, brother. Thank you for having me back.
03:23:37: Yeah, my pleasure. I'm glad to have you. Before we get into the topic that's listed in the title of the show,
03:23:46: John just got off the Skype, I guess, with one Sean Hannity.
03:23:53: Whoa. Big time. It's the big time. I want to hear all about that.
03:24:01: Bout it, bout it. Let me hear it. It was nerve -wracking, right? I'd imagine. Yeah. I said it was like skydiving.
03:24:07: Fox and Friends was like skydiving. This wasn't much different. It was really fast -paced.
03:24:13: I managed to squeak in a Babies Are Murdered Here reference, an End Abortion Now reference into the website.
03:24:20: It just seemed like his big beef is with the third trimester, and I thought it was revealing about Republican thinking.
03:24:30: You know, the third trimester is bad. Well, it's all bad. Yeah. Back to Conception, and I tried to make that point, and he just kept moving things on.
03:24:41: He tries to intimidate you a little bit with the interruptions and stuff. You'll hear that. It airs at 4 .30
03:24:46: Eastern. I just got an email from the producer here a second ago, so it will be 4 .30
03:24:52: Eastern. And he bought a couple of books. Awesome. Praise God for that.
03:24:59: He was like, he wants your Taylor Caldwell books. So I'm like, okay. It's more money.
03:25:06: Who's Taylor Caldwell? What's that? A Southern fiction writer he really liked, and also with a very,
03:25:13: I think probably a Roman Catholic. Actually, I'm not sure. Of course. That would make sense.
03:25:20: Naturally. Naturally. Well, hey, man. I mean, that brings us into the focus of what you guys were examining in the
03:25:29: March for Life. Catholic Woodstock. Catholic Mecca. Catholic Mecca.
03:25:35: Gotta make the journey. The question is, why does he have the views that he does about the seriousness of the third trimester, and where does that come from?
03:25:42: Right. Yeah, I think the pro -life organizations have absolutely made certain kinds of abortions worse than any other abortion, or later abortions are somehow deemed worse than earlier abortions.
03:25:56: Right. Why though? Why? Yeah. Why have they done that? Well, I think they've done that as a way to win favor with the world.
03:26:05: I think that's a huge part of it. I think they feel like if they're outright against abortion at all, that they won't win as many points with politicians or just major news organizations in general.
03:26:25: If you go to National Right to Life, you're going to see nuns in full garb, you'll see priests in full garb, people marching with crucifixes five, ten feet high.
03:26:40: Yeah. I mean, it is a Catholic Woodstock. I mean, there's tons of Catholic high schools that come and visit, and it's all rah, rah, rah, pep rally with no plan to win the game.
03:26:54: So it's just people saying, I love babies. Yes, I do. I love babies.
03:26:59: How about you? I love babies. Yes, I do. It's just like all day. Well, that's what I was talking about with John before the show is like, man, there's no strategy for victory, only a game that you continually fight, but there's no end in sight.
03:27:15: Right. Ultimately. Ultimately, there's nothing that we're getting to. They may say, yeah, we want to end abortion, but there's no strategy.
03:27:22: Well, they will tell you. This is what they will tell you. They say the first thing is we have to create a culture for life, a culture of life.
03:27:32: Well, how do you do that? How do you create a culture of life? Right. Well, you educate people. Well, they'll say, well, conversion.
03:27:38: Yeah, to what? Right. So they'll use biblical language like the truth will set you free, and like biblical language, anytime it's talking about the truth and being set free and conversion, it's all about just going from pro -choice to pro -life.
03:27:56: So there's absolutely zero. And it's all neutrality. It's all neutrality. There's zero regeneration that needs to happen.
03:28:05: There's zero gospel proclamation. In fact, the theme of this year's
03:28:10: National Right to Life was science is pro -life. Right.
03:28:17: Yeah, it's all about science. Yeah, it was all about science. I'm working on Babies are Murdered here too, so I gathered clips of Ben Shapiro saying, well, this is not a
03:28:27: Christian argument. This is a scientific argument, or this is not a religious position.
03:28:32: This is a science position. And so they're really trying to move the needle farther away from this fight being centered in a
03:28:40: Christian worldview when all of Scripture speaks of such fights as being a judgment on the
03:28:47: Christian people. So all the ecumenicalism, there was a guy at the
03:28:52: Family Research Council bragging about how he was making the Abby Johnson movie and they had atheists praying with him and Catholics and Hindus and Buddhists.
03:29:02: But how is that possible? How do atheists? He was like, I don't know. Okay, never mind. So, you know.
03:29:08: I don't know. So they're wearing this as like this badge of honor, and it's not a badge of honor.
03:29:14: It's a sign of like God is going to judge you for this. Right. Like God is not happy about an ecumenical pro -life fight.
03:29:25: Yeah. And just like that verse that we read at the beginning, like if you don't have your fight, not only your approach to this issue, but also your methodology centered on Christ in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
03:29:40: Right. If that isn't how you approach this and instead you're taken captive to philosophy and human wisdom and empty deceit and all of these things, these hollow worldly pragmatisms.
03:29:52: That's why you picked that verse before. Right. I mean, think about it. It's not just for apologetics.
03:29:58: No, it's not. It's not just for apologetics. It's for all of life. Yeah. Yeah. John, what would you say like stood out to you at the
03:30:05: National Right to Life? This was the March for Life, right? Oh, yeah. It was the March for Life. You and I went to that a couple years ago and I was a headache too.
03:30:12: So we're talking about the March for Life in DC. The National Right to Life was two years ago. Was this like by the
03:30:18: Washington Monument and stuff? Yes. Okay. So how many people do you guys think were there? Oh, a lot. I heard, what, like 100 ,000 or something?
03:30:24: Well, how much did the stadium for Mass fill? Couldn't have been much more.
03:30:30: Probably 40, 50 ,000 or maybe, I don't know. So they had a whole basketball stadium.
03:30:35: The Capital One Arena was filled for Catholic Mass before the event. So me and John are there and we're like, man, nobody's here this year.
03:30:44: And then they let out for Mass and it was just. Wow. Wow. Gotcha.
03:30:49: Wow. Okay. Yeah, sorry. Go ahead. So I just wanted to make sure everybody knew exactly what we were talking about. Go ahead,
03:30:54: John. I know Marcus asked you a question and I forgot what he asked you. Oh, I asked you what your takeaway was from March for Life.
03:31:04: Oh, yeah. I would guess 50 to 60 % of the March is
03:31:11: Roman Catholic high schools. You know, it's a field trip. Yeah.
03:31:17: And, you know, obviously that kind of came out in the media with that whole Make America Great Again fiasco down the other side.
03:31:26: So you start interviewing those kids, asking them, okay, what are we going to do to end abortion?
03:31:32: Or can we end abortion this year? What do we do to end it? And there's nothing.
03:31:38: The other thing. That was really cool. Yeah, to ask people. It was crazy was that they, oh, it went right out of my head.
03:31:50: Oh, yeah, there's something going on in the pro -life movement right now on a grassroots level where they are bringing up a whole bunch of other side issues like global warming.
03:31:58: Oh, God. And what else? Capitalism, socialism, like if we end capitalism, we can end abortion.
03:32:05: Yeah, I argued with a guy that was talking about how. You're talking about pro -life people. Yeah, there was a pro -life guy and he had a sign that says end capitalism, end abortion.
03:32:14: Oh, real. So I had a discussion with him. I'm sure you were all over that one. Yeah, I was. The problem was there was just like so many, like there's
03:32:23: Looney Tunes there, right? So you have like just really crazy, strange people.
03:32:29: And then you have the big voices that are invited to speak there, like Shapiro, who's
03:32:37: Jewish. And then you have Abby Johnson, who's very passionately, obsessively
03:32:44: Roman Catholic. And she, I mean, she swears by her
03:32:49: Roman Catholicism, although she will throw it away to end abortion in a heartbeat if she had that option.
03:32:56: Yeah, no pun intended, right? In a heartbeat. I mean, they're all really, you know, we can put abortion, we can put religion aside for the sake of ending abortion.
03:33:04: So you have like all these mixed bag religious groups there. Even Reuben Israel was there, which was weird.
03:33:12: Oh, he was. But he wasn't there for the march. No. I'm just saying like that's the sort of like level of crazy you're going to see when you go there.
03:33:20: Yeah. So it's like, but then I think John brought it up, but we would ask people, is 2019 the year abortion is ended in America?
03:33:30: And they're like, well, I don't know. I don't know about that. And then we had this other lady come up to me when
03:33:37: I had the microphone and she's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm pro -life, but I just want to make it very clear. I'm against the death penalty too, because I'm consistently pro -life.
03:33:46: And so I brought up like Deuteronomy 22 with her about like, what about someone who murders a child in the womb?
03:33:52: And she's like, oh, you're just taking the Bible literally. You're just like, well, yeah.
03:34:00: You mean I'm believing in what God's standards of justice are? Yeah. So there's no consistent worldview when fighting abortion.
03:34:08: And I think in a lot of ways that's good for us because, you know, the
03:34:14: Bible says that a house divided against itself cannot stand. That's right. So I feel like if there's an opportunity here, and especially with the
03:34:24: End Abortion Now churches, the over 300 churches that we have, if they came together under one unified confession or standing on the word of God, if they come together and they say, we are going to end abortion,
03:34:41: Christ is king, and this is what's going to happen, I think all the other pro -life organizations are going to have to fall through with that to come in line with that.
03:34:51: And we saw that with what happened with John Speed. We saw all like National Right to Life, Family Research Council, every pro -life organization, live action,
03:35:01: LifeSite News, they haven't touched babies are murdered here in five years. And it took five years in one day.
03:35:08: And suddenly everybody's talking about what John Speed's doing. And it's because John Speed made the big move there.
03:35:15: And that's just, that should show you how easy it is. It's not hard. Right. You know, John didn't do anything that crazy.
03:35:24: You know, he didn't get in a wheelbarrow and go out off of Niagara Falls with an end abortion now written on the barrel.
03:35:31: That'd be cool. That would've been entertaining. Walk a tightrope across the falls with a banner.
03:35:38: Yeah. So it's easy. We just have to do something. Yeah. Speaking of that, John, you were just telling us that activist mommy or our good friend,
03:35:47: Elizabeth Johnson has got something up her sleeve that's been inspired by what you did.
03:35:54: Can you fill us in a little bit on what that is? Yeah. She is doing, she's putting together a national day of mourning on February 23rd, suggesting that basically business owners around the country wear black that day, repent for our nation's involvement with abortion, shut down their businesses for the day and that kind of thing.
03:36:21: And so she's doing a rally. She's putting together a rally in Albany. Once they have the details of that together, they're going to put it up on a website, but you can go to Facebook and if you go, um, day of mourning,
03:36:35: M O U R N I N G. Um, you should be able to find it. Sweet.
03:36:41: Awesome. That's awesome, man. It's all we need is a little spark, right? To start starting another movement.
03:36:47: And, um, I just, just thinking here, as you guys were discussing this, you know, we, we just saw the same type of thing in Australia.
03:36:55: We've seen it in Ireland. Right. And so the, you know, the major groups and those nations, the major pro -life groups are the same ones.
03:37:02: They're here. They're here. March for life. Yeah. You know, right to life, you know, they're all the same groups. They're just repackaged for a different culture, if you will.
03:37:10: And you know, we are, we are just in Australia, which by the way, Carmen's been working hard and he's almost done with those, uh, those messages.
03:37:16: I can't wait to see those, but yeah, you know, one thing we, we found when we were preparing for Australia and again,
03:37:23: Ireland, both is like, if you go to their websites, all those major pro -life websites, they're all
03:37:28: Catholic run. And none of them even mentioned the gospel. And I know, cause
03:37:34: I, I ran a search on all these sites, right? And all the searches came up zero results when you type in gospel.
03:37:42: Um, except there was one, I forget which side it was not for Australia. There's one. And it took me to some site here in the
03:37:49: States that was completely Catholic. And you ran the gospel search on their site. And it was this long speech from the
03:37:54: Pope. Oh, from Pope John. And it was all about, you know, Mary and all this nonsense.
03:38:00: um, and so it's, it's, you're absolutely right. They're, they're trying to do it from a point of neutrality where the gospel has nothing to do with this fight.
03:38:10: And it's, you know, look where we're at. I think, I think that the, the removing
03:38:16: God, um, from their position, embracing an ecumenical position to the degree that they are, is, is, is essentially like that's worse in God's eyes than abortion.
03:38:30: Like there's like, that's, you know, like we're, we're, we're comparing sins here. They're not far apart, but God hates idolatry a lot.
03:38:40: Yeah. Yeah. Come out, come out from among them and be separate. Right. Right.
03:38:45: I mean, you see entire nations that were just level just for that alone. Right. So it's like, well, you know, if you guys end abortion,
03:38:54: God's still going to level our nation. Right. Like, it's just the zeitgeist too. It's the spirit of the age, the pluralistic, you know, relativistic, all that.
03:39:03: It doesn't matter how we do it. Let's just work together. And like you said, you give the example like of, you know, family research council.
03:39:09: Like, yeah, they, they dropped a video not too long ago. They dropped it about like myths when it comes to abortion.
03:39:15: And one of the myths was, um, you need religion in order to fight it. Right. Yeah. And dude, like if you think about how crazy that sounds, like, uh, this is a myth.
03:39:26: You need Jesus. You need religion in order to attend abortion. That's the myth is what they're saying. Right. But. It's impossible to approach abortion.
03:39:35: Well, God's good. I mean, irreligious perspective. Well, God's going to be like, okay, give it a shot. Right. So do it.
03:39:41: See how that fares for you. If you ask about abortion, I mean, as soon as you start talking about it, what is it?
03:39:48: What is a human being? Right. That question alone, how you answer that question is a religiously motivated question.
03:39:56: You have to give a religious answer because it assumes stardust. Exactly. It assumes an explanation of origin of morality of what we do when you take a life, what the sanction should be when you take a life.
03:40:09: Uh, do we call it murder? Those are all religious questions because they all assume that you have to have a worldview at the bottom in order to make definitions in the first place.
03:40:19: Yeah, and that you so it's not like someone's gonna approach it from an irreligiously neutral perspective
03:40:25: They're bringing their perspective into it. No matter what whether they've considered it whether they've critically examined it
03:40:30: It's a religious question and you're gonna give a religious answer to it. No matter what we were just talking about this last week
03:40:36: Right. What's uh, the one sign we see all the time is keep your theology off my biology All right, and I was like we need to make shirts that say your theology defines your biology
03:40:46: That's right, right and that's and that's exactly what you're saying. Like it's that that's your worldview It's gonna define how you approach everything in life, including your biology, right?
03:40:55: Just like the women that that get abortions. Yeah. Okay, they have a worldview too.
03:41:00: They've been told that Their existence precedes their essence and They've believed it all of us have bought this lie about how
03:41:13: We can exist but not have any value the value is only in what we make for ourselves, right? We're the author of our own story
03:41:19: We're the captain of our own seas What you know, whatever you want to say and then we get consistent and we apply that to the child in the womb
03:41:27: Right that has no value no dignity is worthy of no protection whatsoever because they haven't exercised their will
03:41:36: Like the mother has so when we get consistent and we start talking about, you know Putting these philosophical principles of the world.
03:41:44: We've adopted them through osmosis many times haven't examined them and then just apply that in the world in our lives and we get things like third trimester abortion
03:41:54: Because that child is getting in the way of that woman creating the best version of herself
03:42:00: Yeah, she's not in her mind making a choice between life and death
03:42:05: Even though that is the choice the choice the pro -choice people The choice that's being made is the choice to define yourself
03:42:13: And if the definition of yourself doesn't include children at this time You have a fundamental right and an authority as a woman to kill your baby
03:42:23: That's that's what's going on. Right? And so as Christians we need to be aware of the fact that this is a religiously
03:42:31: Motivated question just like those that champion abortion on demand they say well
03:42:37: No, I don't bring a religious perspective to this. I just bring science Well, first of all, no, you don't because the science demonstrates conclusively that life begins at conception so what you've done now is back off the science into a moral argument for choice and say that that's about this nebulous concept of Personhood that somehow you can be a human non person
03:42:57: Okay, explain that one All right It's not possible because in God's of you
03:43:03: God's worldview the God the the world that he made if you're human You have intrinsic worth value and dignity by nature of who and what you are
03:43:12: It's not something you earn at some arbitrary point in time in the future Right when you have a heartbeat when you can feel pain when you've passed through the magical birth canal
03:43:23: Right. So this is a religious issue. And if you don't accept that and embrace it up front
03:43:30: This is never gonna end and it's never gonna change because like you said God's not gonna honor it First of all, and you're gonna be inconsistent
03:43:37: So you might as well just throw God's word at your feet and stand on it boom Well, I think we're gonna end the show right there
03:43:46: John you you've been quiet for a little bit. What are you thinking man? Yeah, I mean
03:44:01: It's so simple to me That I have a hard time wrapping my mind around it, you know, you've got
03:44:08: I told I think I told Hannity You know, what? You've got there in the womb, you know at conception at conception
03:44:16: You've got a human life. This isn't a giraffe and it's not a goldfish, you know, it's it.
03:44:22: It's a human life and Scientifically biblically
03:44:29: Ethically morally Regarding our conscience all that. We know it. Everybody knows right? That's why it's such a
03:44:36: Key issue. I think right now so many women have been affected so many men have been involved in this
03:44:42: It's this whole gospel issue thing that people talk about. This is a gospel issue yeah, you know we can we can proclaim the gospel in this situation and potentially end abortion
03:44:56: Proclaiming the gospel, you know, that's kind of what I'm trying to demonstrate Through all this, you know
03:45:02: Fox and Friends, especially when I was on there, you know the gospel ties in directly to this and If we understand it from a gospel perspective, we'll end it
03:45:13: Cuz I'm the heart man well this The I think there's a there's an important thing
03:45:20: Attached with this that we were talking this week that we really want to just Harp on right now. We really want to push and that's state sovereignty
03:45:27: We're gonna be talking a lot about this the next couple weeks. So get ready for that I've got some potential awesome guests coming up to discuss that but You know, we talked about it last week and we talked about you know, we with New York.
03:45:40: They passed that bill and again ultimately ultimately, I'm glad I'm thankful that the passing of that bill is
03:45:50: Finally getting some Christians. Yeah to stand up and open their mouths, right? I'm thankful for that. But ultimately
03:45:57: Ultimately, it's it's no different than any other abortion bills. It's the same thing. It's just they've moved the
03:46:04: Yeah, the line of death further and so ultimately there's there's no difference there but Well, what we're talking about is just the fact that The the
03:46:15: Liberals get this they get the state sovereignty they understand that That's how these laws changes at a state level and you see that with New York then it's been what another
03:46:26: Three four or five states in the last week. Yeah, dude. That's the thing. It's been they how quickly
03:46:32: Yeah, this avalanche is falling now. Yeah, it is remarkably fast. So so when we were at the
03:46:37: Family Research Count Council's pro -life con As we called it
03:46:45: They had this lady she was the president of Students for life and she's talking about the tortoise and the hare and her example is that we're the tortoise we will win this fight slowly, but we will win this fight and And she said that the hare is sleeping right now the hare we got the poles on our side
03:47:07: We got and I was I looked at John this was before the New York legislation I looked at John and I said when do liberals sleep?
03:47:16: They're dominioness, they're they're taking dominion and we're the ones asleep.
03:47:22: Yeah, you're right and so so that's their mentality like they're delusional they think that as long as they keep passing laws and bribing politicians with money like there were some guy how gonna win this fight and That's just not the case we're not gonna win unless we come out just full out
03:47:44: Assault on on this on this problem and and and ban it completely.
03:47:49: Yes. It's more like the Liberals are the hare and we're the sleeping tortoise
03:47:55: Yeah Yeah, that's absolutely true, yeah, so this won't happen at a federal level
03:48:03: It's not gonna happen if you know, another judge dies and Trump promotes another, you know, quote -unquote
03:48:10: Right wing judge. It doesn't matter. That's not it's not gonna change anything. It has to happen at the state level
03:48:16: That's what we've been trying to say. Yeah, dude, and apparently the liberals have been listening to us, right?
03:48:22: Cuz they got it and if 46 years of the same thing doesn't convince you of that I mean what will how many more years will it take?
03:48:29: How many more babies have to die it was a pro -life Supreme Court that got us Roe v. Wade They voted in favor of Roe v.
03:48:35: Wade and they can continue to have Republican dominated Supreme Courts for the next what 20 years?
03:48:40: Yeah, I think Bush had a Congress and Senate on his side and they didn't do anything
03:48:48: Every time Trump had a full house and a full Senate and he didn't do anything so,
03:48:55: I mean There's got to come a point where all the people that are supporting these organizations like National Right to Life Family Research Council Just go hey, wait a minute.
03:49:06: Is this is this are you guys actually doing the best job? Because it seems to me that the liberals are doing a much better job than you guys are
03:49:14: The liberals are libertarian when it comes to abortion they want to get rid of all regulation and then the
03:49:21: The the Republicans are Democrats when it comes to abortion because they want to regulate everything and And and and so they're fighting like libertarians for abortion
03:49:30: I mean you can well with the new law in New York, you can be a McDonald's employee and perform abortions, right?
03:49:36: Yeah, I mean there's like have to be a completely deregulated right position. Yeah. Yeah, this is completely deregulated and and When we've tried to make the case that we should just do an outright ban on abortion
03:49:49: People are like, oh, that's crazy. Like we don't have the votes and Yeah, and like this and that and then the liberals go hold my beer
03:50:03: And it's like I mean our system of government too
03:50:09: I mean was designed to affect change at the state level when federal powers abuse the power that they've been given by God When they become tyrants and when they start doing these things we not only have the ability we have the responsibility and the duty in order to ignore them defy them and Establish justice, but like we talked about last week that'll never happen unless Christians are speaking to the political realm
03:50:38: Yeah in the realm of government and politicians and city councils and everything that we're trying to do
03:50:44: To push this back in the other direction because Christians need to be the ones instructing their magistrates on what's righteous and that is going to require something besides natural law, right?
03:50:56: Okay, it's it's gonna require something besides some nebulous agreed -upon
03:51:03: Moral code that doesn't even exist anymore First of all because as the culture continues to progress into destruction and you have things like people not even knowing what gender
03:51:13: They identify as how can I agree with my neighbor about abortion when he doesn't even know whether he's a man or a woman
03:51:20: Yeah, right. So this whole idea of natural law and how that's sufficient We all have these agreed common principles that we can all share.
03:51:28: It's it's a disaster and it's gonna take actually an objective unchanging
03:51:35: Standard that we point to and say no rather than just relying on well who's got the most seats in office
03:51:43: Republicans or Democrats because it's an endless shuffle when we're is it gonna end when we're at the when we're at the
03:51:50: March for life This guy told me he's like, well, you know, we just need to get the number of votes on our side
03:51:56: Yeah, and then the Democrats come back and get even more. Yeah, but so I asked him I was like, well, you know
03:52:01: You know that the the women how many I was like how many women got the right to vote?
03:52:06: How many voted for how many women voted for the right to vote? He was like he just thought about it was like, oh,
03:52:14: I don't know how many and I was like think about the question Zero, and I was like you don't need the numbers on your side.
03:52:22: You just need to be loud Yeah, you know like that's that's all we need to do and we're not I mean,
03:52:28: I mean, you know They what's happening in New York and Virginia like it's sad and people are outraged
03:52:35: But a week or two from now people won't care They'll forget you're gonna forget people listening to this radio show are outraged right now right now
03:52:43: They're outraged and they're just gonna forget about it in a week or two Yeah, they're just gonna forget and you know,
03:52:49: I mean Planned Parenthood selling they're still selling baby parts. Yeah Like you were outraged over that two years ago for like a week right for a week and they're still killing over 300 ,000 children still killing all those children that like you guys aren't really mad
03:53:06: I want to see people really mad. Yeah. No, you're yeah, like the Liberals they they're not afraid to hide their anger, right?
03:53:13: Right, and and I'm just sitting there thinking like the politics people forget this the politicians work for us
03:53:19: Right, we're paying for them. And if they're not doing what they should be doing
03:53:26: Then why are we allowing them to continue to work for us? Right, it's like we need Christians and it starts in the pulpit.
03:53:33: It starts with pastors We need Christians to stand up hold their Legislators accountable right and and accountable to what that's always a question.
03:53:43: Yeah, let's standard It's got to be accountable to God's objective standard. That has to be the rule and in Romans 13
03:53:51: Everybody likes to throw the round. Well, you know like No read the whole chapter right the legislators are
03:53:59: God's deacons his ministers he has placed them there to do his will and they answer to him and they are accountable to Him and his his law and so we have to stand up we have to be loud like Marcus said we have to stop being cowards and we have to hold them accountable and To God's law and that's where that's where we failed.
03:54:21: That's where the church is hailed. And again, we talked about this last week Yes, I'm gonna say it it comes back to your eschatology
03:54:27: Someone complained last week that that's all we talked about it because it matters Oh, no, you can see people commenting all the time
03:54:33: I just go look at any major news outlet that that wrote an article about the passing of the
03:54:38: New York bill and you will see that they have said that Well, it's just gonna get worse from here.
03:54:45: Yeah, it's just good. This is exactly what the Bible says is gonna happen. Yeah it has
03:54:53: Ramifications for what you do and how you live. Yes, it does. I I know people and my family that have like when the whole
03:55:00: SCOTUS thing happened with gay marriage and stuff Like I had someone say literally say my my bags are packed and I'm all prayed up like yeah
03:55:07: And I'm like, but that's why we're where we're at right because that's how the church has approached the culture.
03:55:12: It's how it's approached Politics and we're just sitting back waiting. That's the rapture. That's the key, right?
03:55:18: It's an abandonment of the public sphere in favor of neutrality because of a desire to escape
03:55:25: Yeah, are you guys paying attention to what's happening with a early rain church a little bit? Yeah, I mean, so if you if you go to the
03:55:33: Facebook page that has the updates I don't I don't know what it's called But they they're playing videos of this pastor and he's talking about you know
03:55:41: If there's a gun to my head and they say you you die
03:55:48: No, they say denounce Christ or I'm killing you and your entire congregation
03:55:53: What he's like, what would you guys in my congregation have me do? like And he's like laughing as he's telling this but like those guys are in a position now
03:56:06: Where were they have to defy the government serious? Yeah They have to defy the government and like right now we have like a little bit of freedom left to where we can go
03:56:17: We're like we're arguing over like well, this isn't that big of a deal if you know and this isn't we know we will still
03:56:22: Use the processes that we have and you know, God's given us a lot of grace, but that's gonna be gone
03:56:29: That's good because because God wants a nation filled with the church's like early rain
03:56:34: It's gonna be like hey, I'm with the pastor if they blow off his head blow off mine, too
03:56:40: Psalm 119 46 I will also speak of your testimonies before Kings Yeah, and shall not be put to shame for I find my delight in your commandments, which
03:56:49: I love Wow Do you have a life organizations at all? Do you have a love for God's righteous standards?
03:56:57: Do you have a love are they your delight? because according to the psalmist
03:57:03: Those testimonies those standards those statutes are supposed to be in the ears of those in authority
03:57:09: And you can't do that unless you go Put it in their ears. Yeah, put it in front of them
03:57:16: You know, this whole discussion is I'm just in you're thinking it's all all about fear, right? Like you're talking about early rain.
03:57:22: I heard someone the other day talking about a woman from that church who She had made a post or something where she's she basically was like get ready for church
03:57:32: I don't know if I should wear my church clothes or my jail clothes And she and I'm going to jail that day and she was she was in you know at the time of this
03:57:39: I heard this to you to men in jail for like two weeks. I don't know if still is or not, but You know, she was not fearful.
03:57:45: She was she was brave. She was bold all these politicians I don't know. I'll let you say it's like all these politicians.
03:57:51: They operate out of fear, right? They're they're afraid of not being elected and they're afraid of the federal beasts, right?
03:57:58: And and us Christians for too long have operating fear where we're afraid to stand up for God's law
03:58:05: We're afraid to stand up for truth. And so we have not held them accountable so when it comes to legislation when it comes to things like abortion, the question is
03:58:14: Who are the politicians fearing more and right now? The answer is that they're fearing the liberals more than they are the those who stand for truth those who stand for life well that they've given early rain the good
03:58:28: Chinese government has given early rain an option and that option is Send your elders to our school our government sanctioned
03:58:36: Seminary and then we'll prove them and then and then we won't bother you anymore
03:58:42: Now in America if something like that happened, there'd be people saying oh just just do that submit this, you know
03:58:49: Romans 13 accreditation just you know, and they're saying no
03:58:55: We're not going to submit and teach what the government wants us to teach We're going to do what the
03:59:01: Lord will have us do and and and I mean no one's heard from the pastor I don't even know if he's still alive
03:59:07: So, you know, so I mean when you look at the subject of abortion in our country
03:59:13: We have the same people that are just like just do what the government wants like just follow it
03:59:19: You know, this is just Romans 13 and Rome was an evil government, too So yeah, it's just like we got to at some point we have got to just be like no more
03:59:28: We'll think about what our forebears did in the establishing of our nation like how little did they put up with and they were willing to go to war over it and How far have we fallen and how much we're willing to put up with?
03:59:42: Yeah and that's really that that should weigh heavy on all of our hearts for the sake of our our own children and our own
03:59:47: Subsequent posterity and the generations that are gonna come after us is what are we conditioning them to put up with?
03:59:53: Yeah, how much evil are we conditioning them to tolerate? Yeah, because look at how much evil our
04:00:01: Forebears tolerated and now how far we've fallen and what we allow to go on before we actually say something
04:00:06: Yeah How much further down the line if we don't break the chains if we don't stop this and it's in its tracks
04:00:14: How much are we preparing our children to put up with in terms of evil? somebody sent me the 1779
04:00:22: South Carolina State Constitution and in it it says That that the state of South Carolina acknowledges that That Christianity is the religion of the state
04:00:37: Like it's a Christian. There is one true God, right? And it is the Christian God and that's in the state
04:00:43: Constitution of South Carolina And now everyone's like we just need to fight abortion without God Like are you serious right?
04:00:53: We're so far away our history man, you said something a few minutes ago I wanted to touch on you said, you know people say well
04:01:00: Rome was a Evil nation too, and I hope someone says that to me we talked about this last week
04:01:06: Yeah, cuz guess what? Yeah, they were and guess what? Why were the Christians persecuted? No king but Christ, right
04:01:14: So yeah, it's not guess what? Yes, they stood up against Rome the Christians stood up against Rome and said no
04:01:20: We're not gonna bow to Caesar right and that's why they were persecuted That's a historical fact, you know, and that's what
04:01:26: Christians are not doing Yeah, and now they're like we don't even need to bow at all We could just you know, we could just fight without God.
04:01:32: We'll just go to Caesar without God Yeah, right. That's comfort too. I think man. We're so comfortable with our stuff and we love the things of this world
04:01:42: So we're not willing to speak out because those things could be taken away from us We love those things right and the
04:01:48: Bible says if anyone loves the things of this world the love of the Father is not in him so Ouch, right?
04:01:55: Yeah, think about the things that you love. Yeah, think about the things that bring you entertainment and and happiness and Amusement right and then think about for a second.
04:02:06: Are you willing to give them up? For righteousness and justice. Are you willing to lay them down?
04:02:14: Because those things are nice to have right it's nice to have our stuff. Yeah, our stuff is it's it's nice I mean, it's nice to have nice stuff, but Are we willing because of our love for the things of this world?
04:02:27: To lay them down Take up our cross and instead love God and love neighbor more right to actually do something about this if it means sacrificing our possessions our positions
04:02:39: You know everything that we have because that that could very well be where we're headed.
04:02:44: Hmm It's possible. Yeah, that's very possible. Yeah, I heard John catching his breath over there.
04:02:50: I think I'm gonna say something brother. Yeah, I think what we really have to do is
04:02:58: Teach our churches what that church is going through early rain covenant in Sunday school in our
04:03:05: Church I would been reading through I can't remember if there's a 14 resolutions or Something that he wrote a document.
04:03:13: He wrote before he was arrested Things that he said look I'm not gonna do these things as long as God gives me grace and strength and as long as I'm not
04:03:22: Tortured to the point where I can't Think straight anymore. He says I'm not gonna deny the gospel, you know,
04:03:29: I'm not gonna You know, I'm gonna ask for a Bible, you know, I'm not gonna sign any documents that Tim, you know incriminate anybody
04:03:38: Going over that stuff with our church has been pretty powerful And I you know at this point
04:03:46: I like I'm no way are we anything like China, but I sometimes wonder You know at what point is governor
04:03:55: Cuomo gonna sit up and take notice of what we're doing here You know what I mean and Decide they're gonna take a look at my records and see if I screwed up somewhere paying taxes
04:04:05: Yeah, no sales tax somewhere along the way just to try to strike back. He's probably not gonna do it right now
04:04:10: But um, you know down the road You know if your church decided to actually make a stand would they be ready to stand?
04:04:19: You know a lot of pastor the way Yeah, that's a good point count the cost yeah
04:04:25: Jesus says and like we were talking about last week John all you did was put a stupid sign in your store
04:04:33: Not that the sign was do but like it was just it's a sign you didn't even do that much not like it was bold It was brave.
04:04:38: You were greatest, but it wasn't it didn't it was a revolutionary thing, right? You said it last week You're like it's not like I went through a bunch of tea into the bay like, you know, it was a sign in my window and in and like Something so little and it's all that's needed to spark like Outrage and anger and like a movement and but Christians are afraid to do that Christians are afraid to put a simple sign in their store window.
04:05:03: Just tell them the truth. That's it Just tell the truth thing like if you know, I've been out to abortion clinics.
04:05:08: I've been spit on by people. I've been you know Have all kinds of crazy stuff happened street preaching all that stuff and you know those things
04:05:16: I kind of look back I said, well, you know, nobody was paying any attention back You've done much more courageous things than post a sign in your window, right?
04:05:28: Oh Goodness gracious. We need more courage Christians that are listening Be bold be courageous.
04:05:35: Yeah, be be a Gideon, right? We talked about this all the time Gideon Literally tore down the idols and the
04:05:42: Asherah poles Right and and guess where he started in his own backyard
04:05:47: Yeah, okay this this fight it just as much as it is about taking it to the culture ungodly systems of thought everything that props itself up in opposition to Christ is just as much about killing the sin in your own life and Killing the idolatry in your own backyard before you go out to take it on in the world
04:06:09: Because if you don't you're not gonna be freed up to fight and you're not gonna be effective and and trust me, okay this is
04:06:16: I'm telling I'm saying this because of You you see it in your own life when you get involved
04:06:23: Especially with the ministry like we do and you have sin that has not been confessed
04:06:29: You have sin that is secret sin sin that you're hiding You're not gonna be blessed in your fight as you as you go to battle
04:06:38: So you need to deal with your own idolatry first and you need to cleanse yourself from your idols and your sin
04:06:45: So that way you can go be effective because before he went and destroyed the idolatry in his land
04:06:51: He started wherever was closest to him Right his own backyard and wherever false gods and false worship was set up that came down first in his own life
04:07:04: So that's what we have to do. Yeah, and one thing I love about the story of Gideon That's a great point
04:07:11: God God told him to tear the idols down and he was scared to death and God said I don't worry
04:07:16: I got your back. I'm gonna take care of you and protect you and he did and Gideon tore those idols down and they immediately wanted to kill him.
04:07:23: We don't even have that happening, right? Yeah, we're you know, John didn't have someone immediately at his store the next day wanting to kill him, right?
04:07:31: And But God protected Gideon and and We're just so fearful.
04:07:36: We just are so scared that something's gonna happen And you know, I was thinking to like even David before Goliath and John that's what you did with your sign
04:07:43: Your sign your sign was who are you uncircumcised Cuomo? I'm sure he would love there.
04:07:53: Are you to come against the army of the living God, right? All right I'm not paying your stupid taxes tomorrow
04:07:59: And and the thing is that Gideon didn't even need the numbers on his side. God said his army was too big.
04:08:04: Yeah No God cut it down for his glory He'll make sure that no one is able to boast for ending abortion, right?
04:08:15: That's right. Yeah, he'll make sure of that and so Church that's what we need to remember is is your army too big.
04:08:24: Is it full of pagans? All right, is it full of? People with no gospel proclamation
04:08:32: Is it full of people with no ability to change hearts other than to throw science at people?
04:08:38: Which is silly because everyone knows this is a child anyways Okay, we don't need these things anymore. Everybody knows right?
04:08:44: Everybody knows so yeah, is your army too big? Christian stop lapping water up like a dog
04:08:55: No, let's do it the right way, right, that's I mean, yeah, and I know we're kind of show wasn't sorry That was a theology nerd joke.
04:09:01: Yeah, how many I got it. I know Marcus. Yeah, that was that was a I know we're kind of shifting gears here with this, but we're talking about the things that we're willing to give up Right if it means speaking for righteousness and we have so much here living in this land
04:09:22: That we're not willing to part with that's really just just pleasures right and sometimes so much unnecessary pleasure, but the key is
04:09:31: You know, and dr. White said this once in his message that he gave an apology up. It's not the overt
04:09:39: Massacre of Christians that has been such a hard thing for the church to handle over the centuries it's been the slow and steady erosion by the denial of Certain privileges and lives of Christians over a long period of time
04:09:54: That just starts to eat away at believers in other words The government says we're just gonna give you the bare minimum of what you need to survive and that's gonna be your existence
04:10:04: Just eking out survival for yourself and and living on right not we're just gonna straight -up kill you we're gonna take away everything that you find enjoyable and then you're gonna live your life like that and that's how
04:10:18: Dictators and tyrants and tyrannical governments have tried to stamp out the faith and they've been effective in that because It's hard.
04:10:28: Yeah, you know, it's interesting if you read the book of Ezra you have them trying to build
04:10:36: Jerusalem within the cities of this pagan Babylonian nation and and And then
04:10:42: Babylonians go to the king and they say if these people build the city it'll be
04:10:48: Sedition against our country and so it's interesting that in Scripture Every time a
04:10:56: Christian nation rose up or godly nation rose up that the response Was by the pagan governments.
04:11:04: This is treason. This is sedition. This is rebellion So if you're if your religion isn't causing the kings of the earth to want to figure out how to imprison you
04:11:14: Like you're not doing it. Yeah, you're not doing it, right? No, that's a great point
04:11:20: Like I mean in Rome you had them like they had to confess Caesar as Lord and they refused that was seen as treason
04:11:26: They got killed and Ezra The same thing and then Ezra tells them well
04:11:31: You guys go read your history books and find out what happens to people to pagan nations that rebel against our city and they go and they read the history books and the king comes back and he's like Okay, go ahead.
04:11:43: Just build your city. Yeah And then execute anyone who doesn't want to follow your
04:11:50: God's law like that's what the king said wait Wait a pagan king a pagan. Okay. Okay.
04:11:55: So ours is not a Christian. No, it wasn't a Christian It was a good thing said it's a good thing follow it
04:12:04: Put to death anyone that rebels against you Whoo, and then they go bring your men who know the law bring them to teach others in the nation to do the same so so that was an act of treason, but he submitted to it and Allowed them to build their kingdom there.
04:12:21: So That's a long ways away from where we're at I Lord help us.
04:12:28: I was just thinking continue to raise your church up. This even goes back to the garden, right? Did God say?
04:12:34: Yeah, like God's God said fear not did he say that I will be with you always like, you know, right?
04:12:42: Right questioning his word. It's all I know it really all goes back to Autonomy and not trusting
04:12:47: God. Yeah. Yeah, just I mean, yeah, like he's a questioning his promise questioning his his certainty
04:12:53: Right. No one's gonna counsel God. No one's gonna tell him how to achieve victory. No one's gonna Question him ultimately and although we do not yet as the
04:13:03: Bible says see all things in subjection to him Which is where the Bible says that they are right.
04:13:08: The Bible says that all things have been placed under Christ's feet right now Like not at the in the future like this was in the first century when that was written that all things
04:13:19: Were being made a footstool for Christ's feet and even though we don't yet see all things in subjection to him we see him so Christian Church Our eyes need to constantly be on the
04:13:32: King the Messiah King God's Savior God's anointed one who had the victory at the cross and from the grave over sin and death
04:13:41: Over Satan all of these things that plague our nation right now or just remember that Jesus is reigning
04:13:48: He has the victory We we believe not only at the end of history, but he will have it.
04:13:54: Yeah in the here and now yeah, and so that's why we continue to be faithful because We need to walk by faith and not by sight and when it doesn't look like Change is happening when it doesn't look like these things are taking place in our favor
04:14:08: We keep our eyes on Jesus, right? And we we set aside Every weight and the sin which so easily entangles and we run with endurance the race that is set out for us
04:14:19: Looking to Jesus the author and perfecter of our faith who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross the joy
04:14:27: That was set before him endured the cross Thinking little of the shame that would come for laying his life down for his people
04:14:36: That's what Christians need to have in their forefront Thinking little of being ashamed if it means laying your life down for God and for neighbor
04:14:45: Maybe that's why the early rain they name their selves that Early rain, he's had early rain history.
04:14:53: I think it's already I am right early rain Hey, hey, we're winding down here but John is your buddy over there.
04:15:03: Can you come and say hi to us real quick? Yeah, let me check real quick he's a special my daughter special guest that happened to pop in John story as we start, okay surprise
04:15:15: Yeah, there's still on there you go Hey sites na guys here what the governor of Virginia just said
04:15:25: I was listening I was driving over here and He said something in support of post -birth abortion.
04:15:32: Yeah, I just read about that too. I'm not surprised Yeah, it's crazy
04:15:38: How are you man It was quite a drive though, it was one of the hairiest days out there.
04:15:44: It's really windy It's not it's not snowing much, but the wind is blowing so the wind is pretty bad. Yeah, I made it
04:15:51: How long does it take you to get there to? Syracuse Crazy wind chill and everything that stinking global warming though.
04:16:03: Am I right? You know, the thing is global warming causes this though. You know that My parents, you know are outside of Chicago and it's like They it's like 45 below right now with the wind chill it there
04:16:18: They're studying like record lows and temperatures and snow and all this stuff and I'm just like, yep. Good job
04:16:23: Elgor. You nailed that one Why did I watch that documentary when it hits minus 40? It's the same
04:16:29: Celsius in Fahrenheit. That's where they cross over So, oh, no kidding. You know when we're at minus 40, we're all the same
04:16:40: How's it going man good I hear coming this way at the end of February, yeah, I hope to see you there
04:16:47: All right I heard that John was swamped. So I thought I'd come down and help him wrap some books Literally, yeah, well, hey man, it's good to hear your voice and to see your face.
04:17:06: Yeah Talk to you later. All right, brother man. Hey John.
04:17:12: Yes, sir. Hey, how many orders have you received? I haven't looked recently.
04:17:19: We're on 650. Yeah, and that that's not 650 books because those
04:17:25: Glenn Beck people man, they're crazy Who knows what
04:17:38: Hannity is gonna do they're gonna you're gonna sell you out man, you know And he plugged the site three times in the short period of time
04:17:47: I was on there Wow brilliant, that's awesome Hey, I'll own speed books calm.
04:17:52: Yeah along those lines How many churches have signed up in the last week since since John put up a stupid sign, dude
04:18:01: There's been at least two to three a day So I say that and I'm looking it's like every time
04:18:08: I check my phone because I see the emails come through every time You know one signs up. Normally they did it correctly.
04:18:13: And yeah, every time I look dude, I just Let's see another one pop up and reaching out to them get them confirmed so we can get their stuff out
04:18:21: We need more materials to get it out. I mean, it's it's awesome. I mean praise
04:18:26: God keep it rolling man It's gonna be a good movie guys. Oh Yeah, we got a big year babies are still murdered here.
04:18:33: You do not want to miss Yeah, this movie God is telling the story right before our eyes. So it's pretty cool
04:18:38: Just like the first time me and John made a movie. That's right. Yeah Well, hey John, thanks for being on again, and I appreciate
04:18:45: I know you you're extra busy these days. So we appreciate your time Well, keep us updated
04:18:52: We'll be praying for you you guys that are listening or watching you can check out
04:18:57: John on Facebook and see what's going on with him. It's it's speed SPED Just like the laws that aren't biblical
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04:20:20: Yeah, yeah, we got a lot of traveling to do next few months. So I'm excited right on well pastor
04:20:26: Jeff will actually be back and Two days Friday. So in two days, I'm trying to think what day it is
04:20:32: We actually did show a little day earlier this week, so he'll be back this week though and he'll be back on next week and We're looking forward to seeing him.
04:20:39: He's been gone a while. So we miss him. Yeah, please be praying for him This families are traveling. Please pray for our church point in Kauai Good things happening there as well.
04:20:46: You'll be seeing lots of updates from that But with that, thank you so much everyone. We will see you next week
04:21:16: Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with apology a church and end abortion now just a few short years ago
04:21:21: God called us to start end abortion now and abortion now at the very beginning was just apology a church trying to equip local churches
04:21:29: Across the United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives
04:21:35: We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel centered ministry based upon scripture the
04:21:41: Word of God That was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion
04:21:46: We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement To bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.
04:21:55: We knew we needed to do that through media We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in Conflict with abortion.
04:22:08: We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures
04:22:15: Since we began Since you started this ministry with us years ago
04:22:20: Since you gave towards this ministry since you participated with us in this ministry. God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally the amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives
04:22:36: To use the gospel and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the United States of America But at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand all over North America That's the
04:22:48: United States and Canada and even now in Ireland Itself through your participation with and abortion now
04:22:55: God has saved literally Thousands of children from death at this point.
04:23:01: We have no ability to count how many babies are being saved I want to give you an update about 2019 many of you guys partnered with us you prayed with us you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission and what
04:23:13: God has done has been absolutely incredible Not only have we've been able to save thousands of children from death
04:23:19: And not only have we raised up just so many local churches Globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion
04:23:27: We were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion Through media around the globe we did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube And we were of course able to actually produce the documentary babies are still murdered here with Marcus Pittman Not only did babies are still murdered here break all the records of the last film but babies are still murdered here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime this film is being seen globally and what this film does is it actually
04:23:58: Communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize end and abolish abortion
04:24:11: Three -year partnership with end abortion now in 2019 you were able to be a part of what
04:24:17: God started Through this movement and that is local churches going to their local legislatures demanding an immediate end to abortion
04:24:24: Preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local Legislatures and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities in their towns in their states
04:24:34: You were a part of that you helped to make that happen This happened across the United States of America and it was everybody from pastors to little children
04:24:42: Demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities You helped to start that movement to bring
04:24:48: Christians to their legislature to demand the criminalization The end the abolishment of abortion in the
04:24:55: United States of America through your partnership in 2019 you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches
04:25:02: Across the United States of America to train those churches and you were able to help us so that we were doing this
04:25:08: Completely for free for those churches. It was no cost whatsoever to them You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another
04:25:20: Minute by minute to coordinate to bring the good news into their cities into their towns into their states
04:25:28: You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms in 2019 all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year and we want to Say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019 we're grateful to God for all that he's done and truly this thing is just beginning in 2020 we have a very big year ahead of us now that all the pieces are in place
04:26:01: Now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us
04:26:06: Now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free now that they're out saving thousands of lives
04:26:12: And now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their Legislatures with the message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion and now that we are flooding the media
04:26:23: With the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion. We're ready to have 2020 be the first year we pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities states and in this nation
04:26:36: That's what we're working towards in 2020 all of the platforms have been laid down all of the foundations are there 2020 is the year where God willing we are hoping to raise up So many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives but also to work together as a team of all those churches to once and for all and criminalize and abolish abortion in our nation
04:27:03: Because you joined together with us because you served alongside of us and because you partnered with us in ministry
04:27:08: You made all this possible All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue they're alive today because of Your work together with us.
04:27:21: So we're humbled by it. We're grateful for it And we want to ask you whether you've participated with us before or not
04:27:27: To prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020 to end
04:27:33: Abortion to criminalize it once and for all and to do it as Christians Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this
04:27:44: Help us to shut these places down and help us to do it with the message of the gospel
04:28:20: I was born in Las Vegas and some of my best
04:28:29: Favorite most emotional intimate memories are from When I was a little boy
04:28:38: And I would go to visit family in Las Vegas and I remember distinctly really distinctly
04:28:47: Always flying into Las Vegas at nighttime And I remember looking out the window of the airplane always as a little boy
04:28:56: My favorite moment when was we were coming into Las Vegas and you could see just darkness, but this city lighting up everything
04:29:06: And I remember as a little boy just thinking how glorious it looked and how beautiful and amazing and I was in awe of this city that I was born in and I remember it the feeling of just seeing just pure darkness and this light just lighting up the darkness and to this day
04:29:30: Whenever I'm traveling or doing ministry and we get to come through Vegas One of my favorite things to do is to come into Las Vegas at nighttime and see the lights lighting everything up and It's amazing too because if you look around this incredible spectacle in the desert you see just the lights and the veneer but underneath the surface of all of this is
04:30:03: This intense Idolatry rebellion and opposition
04:30:09: You see here is a city that is called What? Sin City What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas?
04:30:19: That's the motto right people come here from all over the world. I mean you walk down the streets here just tonight
04:30:24: You can hear accents from all over the world Ireland Scotland England Africa Everywhere, I mean it's all represented on the street here and people come here from all over the world to party to engage in the pursuit of pleasure
04:30:43: It's underneath all of this all of the lights in darkness here is just a veneer it's just on the surface and Underneath it is this intense rebellion and pursuit of pleasure
04:30:55: There is the pursuit of drugs and alcohol and sex sex without consequences only
04:31:03: It has a tremendous amount of consequences Underneath all of this sex without consequences the idolatry of sexual morality is the consequence of life the beauty of life the forming of a new life and In this town in this city with no consequences and where what happens here stays here you have the consequence of All of the sexual immorality and all the rest and you have the consequence which is
04:31:34: Really glorious consequence and that's life the beauty of life and in this town you have
04:31:40: Planned Parenthood and the abortion facilities that actually address the consequences of What happens here stays here?
04:31:51: and you have children every single day in the city and in the state that are killed as a result of this kind of a lifestyle and It's really an amazing
04:32:03: Blessing to see that since God formed and abortion now through apology at church.
04:32:08: We have churches in Nevada and in Las Vegas who are bringing the gospel into this city in the darkness into the
04:32:19: Context of the pursuit of pleasure the gospel to the abortion mill saving lives
04:32:26: It's incredible actually when you think about that experience I had as a little boy
04:32:33: Flying into the darkness and then seeing this city in the darkness lighting up the darkness
04:32:41: It's really actually how Jesus describes the church is that that's our mission our mission is to be
04:32:49: Salt salt is a preservative it actually stops things from spoil and decay
04:32:55: It's not just to make things taste better It's to stop things from spoil and decay and rot and Jesus says that we're the light of the world
04:33:03: We're the ones that actually set Light into darkness and light dispels darkness and that really is the mission of the church in the world people ask the question
04:33:11: Should we be involved in bringing the gospel in the area of abortion? I mean isn't it enough just to be pro -life
04:33:18: Within the walls of the church and pro -life between our ears and in our homes. Is that enough and The answer is no not according to Jesus in his most famous sermon
04:33:28: He calls us to be salt that actually stops things from spoil and decay and he calls us to be light that dispels the darkness
04:33:35: We're supposed to be as the church the city in darkness That when people actually look into the world at all the darkness in the world
04:33:44: It's the people of God that are lighting up the darkness We're supposed to be that incredible spectacle in the desert this wasteland of Lostness and sin in the world.
04:33:56: We're supposed to be that amazing spectacle of light that is just Blazing out of the darkness and dispelling the darkness.
04:34:05: That's the mission of the church And you can be a part of it we actually have lights right now in the desert bringing the gospel into the area of Abortion and you can actually sign up your church and bring the gospel into conflict with abortion and you can save Lives Just a couple of days ago.
04:34:25: We learned about four lives saved just in one morning Thousands of lives have been saved.
04:34:31: You can be a part of being that light and that salt just go to end abortion now calm and you can get your church signed up for free get free training and get free resources to Be a part of the mission of the church to be that light in the darkness
04:34:45: To be that salt that stops things from spoiling decay and to bring the gospel into conflict
04:34:52: With the issue of abortion, you can sign up right now for free free training free resources
04:34:58: Everything is given away to your local church. Just go to end abortion now calm My name is
04:35:12: Marcus Pittman. I am a member of apology a church and I am sick of coming here every single week
04:35:19: We come here every time there's a City Council meeting and we talk to you guys about the same exact subject abortion and We don't hear a single thing back from any one of you
04:35:34: Especially Jim who has the endorsement of Arizona right to life and the Center for Arizona policy
04:35:39: He hasn't contacted our church one time. Our church has over a hundred and fifty thousand
04:35:44: YouTube subscribers We have several thousand Facebook likes and in abortion now works with 350 churches all over the country
04:35:52: We have a huge following but yet we can't get a single City Council member to come together with us and Work with us on a bill to uphold 13 -30 603 here in Arizona Not once now.
04:36:07: I watched Jim. I watched your video. Oops. I Watched your video of you being sworn into council and one of the things you say is
04:36:18: That you are to protect the citizens of Arizona from all enemies foreign and domestic domestic
04:36:25: And I'd like to ask you Jim at what point? at what point is someone declared a
04:36:34: Domestic enemy at what point is there a taxation rate the federal government could set that you would say
04:36:40: That point I would protect our citizens and I would defy the federal government
04:36:45: Is there an act the federal government could do could they take away our guns at that point?
04:36:50: Would you say hey? I'm going to defy the federal government in 1850s
04:36:56: There was a Fugitive Slave Act and Wisconsin defied the federal government and said we will not return slaves back to their owners and yet there's been 70 million children killed in our nation and Yet no
04:37:11: Councilmember I have seen and through an abortion now there are several all over the country no councilmember
04:37:17: I've seen yet has said we will work to defy the federal government and end abortion
04:37:22: No matter what the Supreme Court says no matter what federal law says we will protect the enemies both foreign and especially the domestic ones that Decide to destroy our nation, so I'm begging all of you guys to reach out to us.
04:37:39: Let's work. Let's not regulate abortion clinics to make sure that they're
04:37:45: ADA compliant if Somebody was trying to make rape legal and they created rape centers
04:37:50: It would be foolish be foolish to say we need to make ADA compliant rape centers
04:37:56: No, we need to shut them down, and that's what I'm asking you guys to do Especially the ones that have the endorsement of the pro -life groups to actually end
04:38:06: Abortion and defy the federal government. Thank you Thank you honorable representatives.
04:38:20: My name is pastor Jeff Durbin. I'm the head of end abortion now We're coming once again to remind you in our community of the modern -day
04:38:26: Holocaust that is occurring all around us Defenseless human beings are being dismembered chemically burned disemboweled and decapitated in your city under your watch and jurisdiction
04:38:37: These murders are occurring regardless of the fundamental law of God against the unjustified killing of human beings
04:38:42: Thou shalt not kill regardless of the unchanged Arizona law against abortion
04:38:48: AZ statute 13 3603 still on the books and regardless of the fact that courts cannot create law according to our
04:38:55: Constitution a man took an oath to that earlier today Roe v. Wade is not a law. It's an ignorant unscientific and fallacious court opinion from the 1970s created by a group of ignorant white men
04:39:07: With respect honorable representatives Does that help in our modern culture if we frame the need for justice for these fatherless children in the words of our modern?
04:39:14: Social justice warriors. Will you act and begin upholding righteousness and protecting these image -bearers of God?
04:39:20: Let's try it long ago in a patriarchal society a group of white cisgender males delivered an ignorant and unscientific
04:39:27: Court opinion that allowed people to target a group of oppressed identities in the womb Some of these human beings were potentially lesbian gay bisexual and transgendered this discrimination was based on social power
04:39:40: Prejudice and privilege aimed at promoting ageism It was an example of collusion that happened not long after many whites didn't like drinking water with or sitting near black people on buses
04:39:51: Will this catch our attention now or should we simply recognize that the murder of innocent defenseless human beings is a moral atrocity
04:39:59: That should never be accepted We've experienced a sort of dehumanization before friends and because it is behind us with our heroes that stood against it
04:40:07: We look back in horror with squinty eyes and stomachs turning not very long ago It wasn't small and defenseless human beings in the safe sanctuary of their mommy's it was people with black skin
04:40:17: They'd say don't worry. It only looks like a human. It's not a real human. It's a black man.
04:40:23: They'd say don't fret That's not a human being that's a Jew Countless scarred backs and pounds and pounds of gas
04:40:31: Testify to this wickedness. May I humbly suggest something? we're engaging in the highest form of hypocrisy and pretending if we puff our chest and look down our noses at slave traders and German soldiers and We sit quietly and impotent while children are slaughtered in the wombs of their mommy's
04:40:47: These are image bearers of God. These are irrefutably human beings from the very moment of conception according to all modern biological science
04:40:55: But they're not fully developed. They don't look like me. They're getting in the way of what I want
04:41:00: Ladies and gentlemen, if we accept this wicked form of fallacious reasoning We may as well be honest with ourselves put a sign over it and stand to post.
04:41:10: I Call upon you to turn to God to wield the sword of justice with righteousness Be impartial and stop the slaughter of human beings in the womb turn to Christ and live
04:41:30: Honorable City Council members. My name is Michael Hendrickson. I'm a faithful believer in Jesus Christ and a member of apology a church here in the valley
04:41:38: I'm a proud husband father and military veteran All my life. I've had respect for our beautiful country
04:41:45: I respect the US Constitution the president the lawmakers the military the police and everything in between You see that the
04:41:53: Bible states that everyone placed in authority has been placed there by God and this Includes every one of you sitting on the council today
04:42:01: I like Josh here and here to plead with each one of you to stand up for our neighbors who cannot stand up for themselves
04:42:08: It pain me. It pains me to know that since 19 1901 Arizona has had a law on the books prohibiting abortion yet 40 beautiful children are killed each day in our own abortion clinics
04:42:20: I've listened to both sides of the arguments and found that those who call themselves pro -choice are really asking for a life free of consequences
04:42:27: Each and every one of us today face consequences both good and bad for the choices that we make a Possible consequence of having sex is the conception of a child
04:42:36: There is a choice ladies and gentlemen The choice is to partake in the sexual act or not to partake The woman is free to choose what she wants to do with her body regarding this choice
04:42:45: If you are not ready to have a child, perhaps you should not do the act in which you can get pregnant We have all heard of the many excuses that pro -choice advocates like to use
04:42:54: Well, I'm not financially prepared to take care of a child, I'm not ready Well, I'm here to say that this is rubbish.
04:43:00: My family was very poor when I was younger My dad worked so hard for us and times were tough, but was that an excuse to murder me or my sisters?
04:43:08: No What if the child is supposed to have a health condition and won't be able to live outside the womb?
04:43:14: Again, it's rubbish in my life personally I know of four children who were diagnosed with a harmful disease or Condition and the parents were encouraged by their doctor to have an abortion
04:43:24: I'm happy to say that those parents Disregarded their doctor's advice and had the children and each and every one of these children are perfectly fine and living happy lives today
04:43:33: My point in sharing these excuses are that they aren't the real reason why pro -choice movement wants free access to abortion
04:43:42: They love murder and we will not stand for it God says that you will have the blood on your hands if you don't do something about it
04:43:49: Please uphold the current Arizona revised statute 1336 oh three and end abortion now.
04:43:56: I Promise you that we will stand by you if you uphold the law But if you don't I promise you that we will oppose you and let the
04:44:03: Arizona Residents know Thank you for your time
04:44:14: This is why abortion is still legal a negative view of children how we see children in our culture today is often not only unhealthy
04:44:21: But just flat -out unbiblical instead of looking to God's Word for how we should structure our families and how we should view the blessing of Children we ascribe to the world's wisdom
04:44:30: We often put off starting a family until later in our marriages when we've had the time to have fun first Despite false claims of overpopulation by environmentalists and abortion advocates
04:44:41: We're actually facing a fertility crisis where people are producing less and less Children because kids are seen increasingly as burdens on how mobile or independent or free we can be now
04:44:52: There's nothing wrong with having fun or traveling or getting a degree But the truth is that just like all other issues of life our thoughts and feelings about children
04:45:00: Flow from the condition of our hearts. Are we honoring God with our family planning how we view children is
04:45:06: Intimately tied to how we view God and his plan of salvation The Dominion mandate is still in full effect
04:45:13: All the way back to the Garden of Eden and God commands us to multiply fill the earth and subdue it
04:45:19: This doesn't mean that we should be irresponsible But it does mean that we should obey God and not put off marriage and children for the sake of Preserving our own measure of so -called freedom men and women
04:45:30: Husbands and wives are truly free and can truly embrace their calling when they're operating according to God's structure and design
04:45:37: Bible calls children a gift from the Lord and the fruit of the womb and inheritance the propagation of a godly seed and the training of that next generation to love
04:45:48: God and serve him is an Essential part of the global conquest of the victory of the gospel of the kingdom
04:45:55: We have to bring our view of children into conformity to God's view of them We have to live out the implications of the gospel of the kingdom and our families with our children
04:46:04: Because they are the fruit of God's blessing and our basic fundamental to what it means to advance his kingdom in the world
04:46:21: Good afternoon. My name is crystal Marshall I'm a follower of Jesus Christ a local resident a wife and a mother to three daughters
04:46:28: I come to you today as a voice for the pre -born desiring justice for the defenseless Something that you swore to do when you took your position in leadership.
04:46:37: I'm pleading with you to fight for your pre -born citizens Proverbs 24 11 to 12 says rescue those who are being taken away to death
04:46:45: Hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter if you say behold, we did not know this does not he who?
04:46:53: Weighs the heart perceive it does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it and will he not repay man?
04:46:59: According to his work. So I ask you council members does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it
04:47:05: The Lord sees your hearts and your maker is whom you should fear The Bible says in Romans 1 and 2 that God has revealed himself to us in creation all around us
04:47:15: And he has written his law on our hearts I'm not here today to convince you of the God of the Bible. He has already revealed himself to us all
04:47:23: God's Word is the only objective standard of truth and anything that does not line up with it should be immediately thrown out
04:47:30: Today, I'd like to address the argument that abortions should be okay for medically frail babies Essentially that some babies are okay to kill because they have health issues
04:47:39: Psalm 139 13 says about God for you formed my inward parts. You knitted me together in my mother's womb
04:47:46: Every child is given life by God. It is not our right to destroy innocent life based on fear preference or our perception of quality of life a
04:47:55: Child in the womb with the diagnosis is no less valuable than any other child and it is a command of God not to murder
04:48:01: Exodus 2013 Doctors cannot play the role in God of God in determining the value of life in the womb nor can parents
04:48:08: When a diagnosis is given that child deserves to be fought for with equal value as any other human being created in the image of God Raising a special needs child isn't easy.
04:48:18: I should know my daughter was diagnosed with spina bifida at 20 weeks in my womb My husband and I were told that we could kill her if we wanted based on her projected future of difficulties
04:48:30: Today our daughter is four years old and is the joy of our lives. This is her The doctors were alarmingly off with their predictions and even if they weren't it doesn't make her any less valuable
04:48:42: Having your baby killed because they're diagnosed in the womb won't save you any heartache We joyfully celebrate her birthday every year instead of mournfully
04:48:50: Acknowledging the date we had her murdered because we couldn't bear to fulfill our duties as a parent to a child with a disability
04:48:56: All glory be to God a medical diagnosis can be difficult but murder is not the solution
04:49:02: Arizona statute 13 -3 603 makes it already against the law to kill the preborn in our state therefore, please uphold your duty as a lower magistrate and resist the tyranny of a higher magistrate an
04:49:15: Unjust law by declaring Phoenix a sanctuary city for the preborn. Thank you Thank you
04:49:28: Mayor City Council, my name is Joshua Walker I'm a pastor at Church of the Redeemer and a professor of philosophy at a local university
04:49:35: I'm here today to stand up for the most persecuted minority in the United States I'm here today to speak up for a group that cannot speak for themselves the unborn
04:49:45: The moral issue here is very simple and clear All the arguments used to justify this senseless slaughter of this people group are only meant to obfuscate and Cloud the clear moral issue.
04:49:59: Let me explain We are told that it's a matter of choice We are told that it's a woman's right to do with her body what she wants
04:50:07: Let me ask you how many arms does a woman have that is six months pregnant?
04:50:14: You probably think that's a silly question. Of course. She has two But see in that answer it shows that it's not a matter of the woman's body if it were about her body
04:50:26: She would have four arms But she only has two the baby also has two
04:50:33: Let me ask you this at what point in your life were you your mother?
04:50:39: Yes, when were you your mother again? The answer is obvious You were never your mother
04:50:47: But if that's true, then you were never part of her body This is not an issue of woman's rights to do with her body what she wants
04:50:59: We are also told that the fetus a euphemism for a baby is not a human person.
04:51:04: But what else could it be? The size of the baby does not change its personhood
04:51:10: If this were the case many of you would be less human than those that were bigger
04:51:16: The fact that the baby is located inside of the womb does not change its personhood Where a person is located does not change the fact that they are a person
04:51:27: If I am in this chamber if I'm in my house or if I'm in my car I'm still a person the baby is still a person both inside and outside of the womb
04:51:35: Some say the level of development of the baby means is not a person. This simply cannot hold water
04:51:41: Its development makes you a person if development makes you a person Then is my five -year -old son any less of a person than you or I?
04:51:51: Finally some say that the baby is dependent upon the mother and because of this it is not a person
04:51:58: We are all dependent on others for life Especially a newborn baby if being dependent upon another for life means we are not a person
04:52:05: Then there are many groups of people that we would say are not people such as newborns and the elderly
04:52:11: Again, the moral issue here is crystal clear to end the life of a baby in the womb is murder
04:52:18: I Asked you do the moral thing stand up for this oppressed Persecuted and maligned people group be bold and courageous stand up for the unborn
04:52:29: Please enforce Arizona Revised Statute 13 163603 which is intended to outlaw abortion.
04:52:36: Please do your job enforce the law. Thank you there is a
04:53:06: Very difficult fight ahead of us in the area of the pro -life Issue the abortion debate the abortion fight when we got into this years ago
04:53:18: We had the perspective that the pro -life movement was essentially Christian Because of course
04:53:23: Christians are pro -life and you know want to fight against a culture of death but we didn't realize that the pro -life industry itself is so opposed to a
04:53:34: Firm commitment on the gospel in the biblical world to the pro -life movement the industry itself.
04:53:40: Okay. I've heard this a lot Yeah, it's explained. Okay, so the pro -life industry globally
04:53:47: You got national right to life, which is an American born pro -life industry That's actually now in other countries affecting their pro -life movements
04:53:55: I would argue actually Southern Ireland fell with their they were pro -life northern or southern
04:54:01: I would I would argue that they fell as a result of Very very poor influence from the pro -life movement of America in Southern Ireland.
04:54:11: So while the the abortion Side in Southern Ireland is arguing firmly from their position no neutrality
04:54:20: This is what we believe all we were there in Ireland. Their signs were all opposed to Christianity It was like this is what they knew.
04:54:26: This is a fight against Christianity and a Christian influence but the the pro -life organizations from America that were influencing in Southern Ireland were teaching them argumentation like it's about love and you know, we want to love and It was it was who are they loving?
04:54:47: Exactly, and it was you the very bland general. No, it's not about Jesus. No, we're not saying it's about Jesus We're not saying it's about the
04:54:53: Bible. No, no, no, no No, this is strictly just like we want to protect humans and the right question is
04:54:59: Why are the world one or something like that? Who says we should protect humans? So given
04:55:05: Yeah Given the predominant worldview of our day that we're really not humans.
04:55:10: We're animals animals We are highly evolved sent in from fish, right? Yeah, so they didn't see that Southern Ireland fell and now abortion is legal in Southern Ireland and very very soon
04:55:21: Northern Ireland I think it's because the pro -life industries influence over there is really robbing people of their solid foundation
04:55:30: To be able to fight against okay. Well, let me ask you then are the people that they're trying to influence the general population
04:55:42: Where are they? They're not specifically They're kind of neutral as well, they don't want to talk about Jesus in the
04:55:49: Bible and so forth So, how do we how do we switch this? So people begin to understand that if you don't start here
04:55:59: You're not going to get to where you really want to go and it's not just about abortion It's gonna be it. Oh as we're beginning to say it's about everything.
04:56:05: It's everything. It's everything I think though. Well, I think it has to be about the gospel. I Think it has to firmly always be about the gospel
04:56:12: Like if we change so here's what I'm saying Gary if we change the mind of the culture to say, okay Let's end all abortion now
04:56:19: Right. Let's end it all now. Why well because we really think it's gross killing other humans, right? That's not gonna that's not gonna satisfy or actually provide a firm foundation to actually criminalize abortion and to keep it abolished and banned
04:56:33: Permanently because at some point some culture comes down the road that says who says we should care about, you know
04:56:39: Killing human beings like what what basis what firm basis is that against the murder of the unwell?
04:56:46: We've in fact, we've already seen this Yeah in Virginia in New York, and it's not just you know, while the baby is in the womb
04:56:53: But when the baby is born, it's right that now it's okay Okay to kill them at that point.
04:56:59: I mean we've got presidential presidential candidates You know saying that yeah People, you know the you know, the book that was written years ago by Richard Weaver called ideas have consequences
04:57:11: Bad ideas have bad consequences Your starting point is we know if you don't start at the right place
04:57:18: It's just like anything else in life when you're you know, you're looking for directions You want to get somewhere your starting point is it is extremely important?
04:57:26: Yes, you don't start at the right place. Your GPS doesn't it's not gonna work. That's right and And unfortunately this the church has failed at this because On Sunday you go to church on Sunday This this is this is the crew.
04:57:44: This is your Christian life and it it bleeds over into the Into your family and maybe your business, but the broader culture there really isn't any directive for the broader culture.
04:57:54: I mean we've I'm in the Presbyterian Church in America, which is a very conservative denomination
04:58:00: But they've got this concept of you know, there's two kingdoms got a kingdom over here and a kingdom here
04:58:07: This is the Christian kingdom. You want to be part of that Christian kingdom that Christian kingdom doesn't have any impact on this over here
04:58:13: That's right. It's a spiritual kingdom, right? Yeah, and we can't argue our case
04:58:18: We can't argue our case Using the assumptions of this worldview in this world and that was that was never that was never the case
04:58:27: I mean even as far as back as go back to Israel the The distinction was very clear.
04:58:35: Don't do what the nation's do Those nations are going to be judged not on some neutral moral base that the nation's had conceptualized but based upon the fact that God was the directive of moral absolutes in the in the whole world right and and Christians unfortunately
04:58:53: Have given up their biggest asset and there's a firm foundation for For ethics and morality and we you know, what once you lose that battle for the unborn
04:59:04: You know you lose it for all kinds of things and I think that's what happened during the 20th century With the rise of communism and of course within the
04:59:11: Soviet Union and in China the black book of communism says, you know a hundred million people died and Why is that the evolutionary worldview was prevalent within the eight with within the atheistic worldview
04:59:24: There's nothing wrong in killing people. There's nothing wrong in killing unborn babies They they say well, that's that's not we're gonna stop.
04:59:33: There's nothing wrong with killing anybody All right, it kind of a utilitarian Ethic whatever is best for the society and they get to determine what the term of what's best.
04:59:42: Yeah, exactly Yeah, exactly. And and if you don't have that you don't have that base They're coming and they already are coming after us.
04:59:50: I mean they are they doing it in the courts. They're doing in the schools They're doing it politically They're doing it with zoning regulations zoning out churches in certain areas
05:00:00: You can't teach in a major university if you espouse a Christian worldview and it all begins with the with at the very beginning of establishing a fundamental standard that cannot be disputed and We're seeing it with with With many in the in the in the pro -life in the pro -life community.
05:00:22: So Tell me what? Some of the other motivations are though.
05:00:29: There are other motivations other than the fact that they want to appear neutral and loving Is there anything else?
05:00:34: They will say that if we make this about Jesus and scripture and the biblical worldview
05:00:40: We aren't going to convince our culture to ultimately do away with abortion But the problem is because we don't even define this issue from a biblical perspective
05:00:49: You have the major talking heads of the pro -life movement Abbie Johnson you name it go down the road the major talking heads of the pro -life movement saying that no the woman who kills her
05:00:58: Child is not Guilty. She's a victim. She's a victim and she's not guilty and we don't want to use the word murder
05:01:06: Do not use the word murder. You've got the the heads of these major International pro -life organizations that are on record we have them in interviews with them saying she's a victim and We don't use the word murder.
05:01:19: And so the question has to be is it begs the question? Well, then who is guilty for abortion and what's wrong with it?
05:01:25: And what's actually happened happening during an abortion? That's right Yeah, yeah, what is it? Yeah, that's yeah when that's people people say with their pro -choice and my first question is choice to do what right and Well choice to have an abortion.
05:01:40: Well, what's being aborted? What is that? That's that's the question. What's being aborted? That's right There's a there's this
05:01:47: Great little video meme online. I don't know who the woman is. I think she's pregnant
05:01:52: She's got a kind of pink hair and she's got this. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Laura. Yeah She's a friend of ours
05:01:59: Laura Clausen. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's she's great. She really is. Yes, it makes it makes the argument
05:02:06: Not a baby not a baby in it all of a sudden the baby but now it's not not a baby not a baby not a baby
05:02:12: Not a baby if you decide it's not a baby and it with time
05:02:19: You know, maybe well, maybe we had to give it a month right maybe two months, right maybe three months
05:02:25: Maybe you know, maybe a year or two. You can still make your decision to get rid of Whatever it was that you know came out of your body, right?
05:02:32: Which is your body? Yes, so exactly second like you gave birth to an appendix So so the pro -life movement will argue forcefully they actually will get offended in many cases where if you say
05:02:46: You're doing this because of Jesus because the Christian cuz you're Christian right and who's saying that who says that no
05:02:52: No, we're not we're not saying that and so what's amazing is is that we say it's not murder and the pro -life movement
05:02:59: She's a victim and so the question has to be asked to the pro -life movement at large if this isn't a murder and she's a
05:03:05: Victim then what are you trying to legislate against? Yeah You trying to eat and though though ultimately say we're not trying to criminalize
05:03:13: The issue for women down the road if they end up doing it We're just saying that it it's you know, icky and shouldn't be done and maybe the abortion should stop
05:03:22: We should punish the guy who's doing it. It's like but there's there's more than one person who's culpable here Who's who's bringing themselves and the baby in to actually accomplish this and in all
05:03:32: I would say this Gary Look, I I wasn't I'm not the the head of this thing and I I came into this late in the game
05:03:38: We've got 450 local churches around the country now going out saving lives and speaking to the legislature But I'll tell you what
05:03:44: When I first started going to the abortion mills to preach the gospel The women that I saw going into the abortion mill were not victims
05:03:52: They were not are not victims. They're calling back to us. I know I'm killing. Yeah I've seen
05:03:58: I've seen that for years going back to the 1980s. Well, they will acknowledge that's it's a human being.
05:04:06: Yes, but it's still my choice. I can kill my baby I'm right. Yeah. All right. Yeah, I agree that they know exactly what they're doing.
05:04:13: Yes and in fact You you see enough of this online where people are
05:04:21: Kind of glorying in the idea that they're at they're killing they're killing a child I mean, they probably don't say it.
05:04:27: Oh, I know proud of it. You'll never know how it feels men are against abortion We shared a tweet the other day from a girl men will never men are never understand or they're against abortion because I never understand
05:04:36: How good it feels to kill a baby? I mean that yeah, I mean that's the heart behind it and There's no question about that.
05:04:44: So Okay, so I guess that the bigger question that kind of wraps up all in this discussion is it has to be about the gospel
05:04:50: Jesus says whoever's not with me is against me. So there's no neutrality with Jesus Are we supposed to go as a witness to Every area of life with the message of Jesus his authority in the law of God even to the magistrate
05:05:06: Should we be involved in that should we be actually brave enough to say to the magistrate you need to obey
05:05:11: Jesus That's your calling to be his servant Well from a biblical perspective most certainly
05:05:17: I mean if Paul and Revelation Romans 13 Calls the civil magistrate a minister of God.
05:05:24: I mean right he's a minister of God and The the word that's used there is it's the same word we get for a deacon
05:05:33: So he's God's minister and he is and the as God's minister.
05:05:38: He's determined good and evil that's that's not neutral language that and You have we have someone like Cyrus in the in the
05:05:49: Old Testament who Acknowledged that not maybe in everything yet.
05:05:55: Nebuchadnezzar the same thing And in Daniel chapter 4 he acknowledged that God was the supreme judge of everything.
05:06:02: It turns his whole life around We have to go with that message We've always always that has always been the message is taking the gospel to every area of life
05:06:12: There's no area of life where God's law doesn't apply and we talked earlier about jurisdictional separation
05:06:18: There are certain things that the civil magistrate is commanded to do And there are certain things to the civil magistrate has no jurisdictional authority over And one of the things that the civil magistrate is to do is to protect human life.
05:06:32: I mean And this is this is a perfect example of it It's just it's shocking to me that Christians don't get this but my my guess is a lot of Christians are complicit in the abortion abortion industry because they're
05:06:49: Think a lot of pastors. I've heard some pastors say that one of the reasons they don't
05:06:55: They don't can't preach on this because maybe one of their deacons or their elders one of their children has had an abortion Or they're they might lose some funding.
05:07:03: You can't talk about that or homosexuality in the church because there's some family member May who may be a homosexual or some family member who's had an abortion and so they'll get offended by that You're judging.
05:07:15: This is another thing, you know, you're judging me. And of course Jesus said we're not supposed to judge
05:07:21: And you hear this all the time. I love it. I love it liberals love to quote the Bible their favorite verse Yeah, they love to quote the
05:07:27: Bible out of context. Yeah Because yeah, Jesus says you're not supposed to judge Because that only in your judging are you supposed to be consistent in your judging just make sure you're consistent
05:07:37: You can't have can't have two weights in your bag and measurement You can't one for you and one for them a little sales, right and I'm and today in our political system there are unequal unequal scales in the justice system and But Christians have got to understand that the the civil magistrate is not exempt from God's from God's law
05:07:58: As long as we go out there and start telling them look this these are the areas That the civil magistrate does in fact have jurisdictional authority we don't want the civil magistrate coming in and telling telling you how to live your life, you know where you can live and What you can buy that's not that's not the the state's authority
05:08:18: But in the area of protection of human life, that is the that is the area That's why the civil magistrate has the power of the sword the forced compliance
05:08:26: So to laws the protection of innocent life. I mean even the Romans understood that yes
05:08:33: So It is shocking and I've always said the problem isn't with the secularists because they are acting
05:08:40: Consistent with their worldview. The problem is with Christians who have a dualistic Worldview they've got you know, they're gonna be
05:08:48: Christian over here and you can be secular over here because God's Word doesn't apply There's a wall of separation
05:08:54: Between these two worlds and we can't enter into that world. We would not have the nation we have today if Christians hadn't affected
05:09:04: Bringing God's law into every area of life. The 19th century polygamy was overruled because of the
05:09:10: Bible. That's right. Yeah Right, yeah
05:09:16: So what's what's the next what's the next step with what you what you're doing?
05:09:21: You have a you have a film, right? Yeah, so babies are murdered here, too is stage one was
05:09:29: Exposing the need for the church to rescue children at the mills and to really bring this bring the gospel into this issue explicitly the gospel
05:09:37: The call to repentance life forgiveness and then also will help you to the moms This next stage which we've already begun now is bringing the church now to the legislature to be a prophetic voice to the legislature to say
05:09:49: We're demanding justice for the unborn Uphold justice make this a sanctuary city defy the federal government
05:09:57: Whatever you have to do stop the murder of innocent. You've done that right already. And what what's what was the response?
05:10:03: It's been amazing We started it last November and then it started a movement of local churches across the country going to the legislature
05:10:10: Calling them to repentance and to uphold justice Pointing them to Jesus and and pleading with them to save the unborn and in their city or their state
05:10:19: And it's been churches across the country that are all actively doing it now It started some controversy
05:10:24: But the babies and murder hurts for babies and murdered here to film is all about two two things one is the failure of the pro -life movement to be fundamentally
05:10:34: Christian and Two to the need for now The next stage is not just saving children at the abortion mill but going to the legislature and demanding justice and pointing them to Christ Because we realize look we can keep saving these thousands and there have been now thousands of children saved because of an abortion now because what?
05:10:51: God's doing there, but we can't have now the legislature Continuing to allow the murder of children and we're just trying to catch them at the mill
05:11:00: To save lives. We need to stop them where it's being legislated, right? It's a it's a defense only that's right deal until you get the positive statement from the legislature.
05:11:11: So what's been the response? from from the legislators legislators
05:11:16: Even legislators who are pro -life and professing Christians have said this and this is very very heartbreaking.
05:11:22: They've said We can't make this a sanctuary city. We can't defy the federal government because Roe v.
05:11:28: Wade and We'd have to go against the the feds. We can't defy them But these are the same legislatures that have actually defied the federal government marijuana and also sanctuary city.
05:11:40: Yes Exactly so it's it's a matter of courage Ultimately is that we don't have people so far thus far that are courageous enough to defy the federal government for innocent unborn humans
05:11:51: We do have legislatures who have been willing to be defiant in the area of marijuana legislation
05:11:57: Which is frustrating so and also we don't understand the way our law works That's a sad thing too is that the
05:12:03: Roe v. Wade is not a law It's a court opinion Congress makes laws
05:12:10: Right and and so we think we think that it's a law Well, it's not look this is the reason there's been so much action
05:12:20: Thank you by the The Democrats and the
05:12:25: Republicans on the Supreme Court Because they want to be absolved of any responsibility of making these types of decisions, you know, we get a
05:12:33: Supreme Court Well, I can't do anything because the Supreme Court ruled on this and you say well, wait a minute
05:12:42: You're the legislative body. They're not a legislative body Why don't you why aren't you overruling the Supreme Court?
05:12:47: All the Supreme Court was supposed to do was to an assess to assess whether a law conformed to the
05:12:53: Constitution, right and They weren't they're not elected to office
05:12:59: You could overrule them. Look you've got five justices who overruled 320 million people
05:13:05: I mean you mean to tell me that 535 of you can't overrule five people, right? This is but they want they want the
05:13:12: Supreme Court to legislate for them because It means that they won't have to legislate themselves and be held responsible on Election Day.
05:13:20: Yeah, that's the But you know, the Constitution is clear and you know, the ninth and tenth amendments
05:13:27: It's not specifically stated in the Constitution the states have the authority to make a decision regarding it's right
05:13:33: You can you can act that's right. They can it just takes courage and I think part of that courage is
05:13:40: Going to start it's gonna start building and people will be able to muster the courage and legislature when Christians actually start coming out saying
05:13:47: We demand it justice for the pre -war see there's an amazing thing is that leftists and liberals all recognize they realize
05:13:54: That if I make a lot of noise in the street And I starts and I start speaking to the legislature demanding something they act because they hear me and they get intimidated by us
05:14:05: Right where Christians aren't trying to intimidate anybody We're just asking for justice and if we can come out of the woodwork saying no we demand justice
05:14:12: That's an image bearer of God and we're telling you stop allowing them to be murdered. Well the civil rights movement it was marches and bus boycotts
05:14:22: And things of that sort that turn, you know that turn people around Christians are just very uncomfortable doing things like that.
05:14:28: They're just just not willing to do it. Well, Jesus never did that And I said, well
05:14:34: Jesus didn't do a lot of things we do he didn't get married. He didn't have children He didn't own a house. We see if you want to really want to be like Jesus you need to go all the way here
05:14:45: And they're not gonna do that So very they're very particular and what and what they want to choose and what they don't want to choose
05:14:50: But Jesus does command us God does command us He does command us explicitly to hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter to actually lead the cause of the fatherless
05:15:03: To cease to do evil learn to do good to uphold justice Those are explicit commands right of God.
05:15:10: So when someone says to me, well, I don't know if I should you know be involved They know I don't know and I should go here there.
05:15:16: It's like well, you know, God does command you Yeah, there is a command not as not we all have the same task right now
05:15:21: It's not everyone's called to go stand on a corner of an abortion mill But all of us are called to care about this and to uphold justice and to actually
05:15:31: Protect the fatherless and these are fatherless children. They're being they're abandoned by their fathers. They're Abandoned by their mothers and I think that as Christians we actually do have a duty to say we're gonna protect and love our neighbor
05:15:44: And that's what this particular case this isn't the only issue there's sex trafficking there's all kinds of issues
05:15:50: And it but it comes down to fundamentally By what standard? By what standard are we gonna fight against these things by what standard will we live as a culture in society?
05:15:59: We live in a society today that says the standard will live by is deem us People will decide what's right in our own eyes and that never works.
05:16:07: It's gone really bad the last 150 years I mean, there's plenty of testimony to that when people live by deem us the people deciding or the state state deciding ultimately comes down to who has the authority and final say and Jesus already declared it.
05:16:20: He says all of its mine in heaven and every Christian says yes to that But then he also said and on earth, right?
05:16:27: So Jesus didn't have I don't I think right there is the destruction of the two kingdom method Ideology I will be done on earth as it is as it is in heaven.
05:16:35: Yeah every area Authority, you know, Jesus has it all pulpits are this is how
05:16:41: I got into all this way Way back when in the 80s, and I wrote that God in government series To emphasize that government isn't synonymous with politics
05:16:51: That you know government begins with understanding that God is the governor of all things. Yeah, you got
05:16:57: Isaiah chapter 9 That tells us that the government is on his shoulders, but then he delegates
05:17:03: Self -government you and I are responsible to God directly been to family government church government and civil government all of them under God's jurisdiction
05:17:09: And when you understand how all of that fits together and that's why I wrote wrote
05:17:15: God in government was to show the relationship between the individual the family the church and this and civil government when they're all doing their
05:17:22: They're their righteous thing under God's government we're most free and So what the the film will do we'll do what are you hoping the film is going to do so we hope that the film the first film
05:17:38: Helped to bring the movements to where it's at today to get churches out preaching the gospel
05:17:44: Making it about the gospel Helping women saving children at the abortion mill
05:17:50: Saying calling it what it is murder the name of the film babies are murdered here. That's very particular reason for that That's the issue is murder
05:17:58: Defining it the way God does the second film the hope is it bring those churches now again?
05:18:04: We have 450 local churches and more being added daily across the country and actually globally now,
05:18:09: Australia, New Zealand northern and southern Ireland's Germany Canada really yes
05:18:17: It's harder in some of these countries to do they can't necessarily do what we're doing going out and a standing there at the abortion
05:18:22: Of what they're trying So the second film is really about the need for the church to actually now
05:18:29: Abandon the pro -life movements methodology of neutrality of not calling it what it is and Going to the legislature and being explicit with our
05:18:39: Christian commitments. God says you shall not murder And this is about Jesus.
05:18:44: It is about it is about the law word of God. It is we're not afraid of that Yes, right I'm saying that abortion should be criminalized because God says that it's murder and it's against God's law and our country needs
05:18:56: Jesus Here's the thing I think if we shift around the moral furniture of our nation without the gospel in Jesus Then we have an ultimate we have a disciple of our nation, right?
05:19:07: That's true. That's true. Yes, so if the goal is discipling the nation's Then what are we doing shifting moral furniture around if the ultimate goal is the discipleship of the nation?
05:19:18: It's somebody could say you have a Jeff that will take so dang long You're taking the hard road. Don't we want my answer is
05:19:25: You're taking the hard road because what you're saying is you want to extend this this this whole goal of actually discipling nations
05:19:33: You wanted to extend it out way off into the the unforeseen future of maybe there's a glimmer of light down there
05:19:39: Where Jesus will actually have a say -so on our nation I'm saying let's do the hard work now that Chris our
05:19:44: Christian forbearers did where they walk into a pagan nation preach the gospel and the threat of their lives and Convert an entire nation in a generation
05:19:53: Because they were explicit with who's the king who has authority and what's this really about? It's about Jesus I'm gonna say that our nation is a pagan nation.
05:20:01: Now. Ultimately, it's very it's going that direction And I think that the answer is Jesus That's the answer sounds good.
05:20:10: Yep That's what we're doing. All right guys Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with apology a church and end abortion now just a few short years ago
05:20:26: God called us to start end abortion now and abortion now at the very beginning was just apology a church trying to equip local churches
05:20:34: Across the United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives
05:20:40: We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel centered ministry based upon Scripture the
05:20:45: Word of God That was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion we also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion
05:20:59: We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in Conflict with abortion.
05:21:13: We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures
05:21:19: Since we began since you started this ministry with us years ago Since you gave towards this ministry since you participated with us in this ministry.
05:21:29: God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally the amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives
05:21:40: But they were also starting these local churches to use the gospel and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the United States of America But at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America That's the
05:21:52: United States and Canada and even now in Ireland itself Through your participation with End Abortion Now God has saved literally thousands of children from death
05:22:03: At this point we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved I want to give you an update about 2019 many of you guys partnered with us you prayed with us you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission and what
05:22:17: God has done has been absolutely incredible Not only have we've been able to save thousands of children from death
05:22:23: And not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an
05:22:30: Immediate end to abortion we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion
05:22:36: Through media around the globe we did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube And we were of course able to actually produce the documentary babies are still murdered here with Marcus Pittman Not only did babies are still murdered here break all the records of the last film but babies are still murdered here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime this film is being seen globally and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself
05:23:05: In conflict with abortion and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize end and abolish abortion
05:23:16: Through your partnership with end abortion now in 2019 you were able to be a part of what
05:23:21: God started Through this movement and that is local churches going to their local legislatures demanding an immediate end to abortion preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures and Demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities in their towns in their states
05:23:38: You were a part of that you helped to make that happen This happened across the United States of America and it was everybody from pastors to little children
05:23:46: Demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities You helped to start that movement to bring
05:23:52: Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization The end the abolishment of abortion in the
05:23:59: United States of America Through your partnership in 2019 you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the
05:24:07: United States of America To train those churches and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches
05:24:14: It was no cost whatsoever to them You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another
05:24:24: Minute -by -minute to coordinate to bring the good news into their cities into their towns into their states
05:24:32: You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the
05:24:38: Transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms in 2019 all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year and we want to Say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019 we're grateful to God for all that he's done and truly this thing is just beginning in 2020 we have a very big year ahead of us now that all the pieces are in place
05:25:05: Now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free now that they're out saving thousands of lives and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their
05:25:20: Legislatures with the message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion and now that we are flooding the media
05:25:27: With the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion. We're ready to have 2020 be the first year we pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities states and in this nation
05:25:41: That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there 2020 is the year where God willing we are hoping to raise up So many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives but also to work together as a team of all those churches to once and for all and criminalize and abolish abortion in our nation
05:26:07: Because you joined together with us because you served alongside of us and because you partnered with us in ministry
05:26:12: You made all this possible All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue they're alive today because of Your work together with us.
05:26:25: So we're humbled by it. We're grateful for it And we want to ask you whether you've participated with us before or not
05:26:31: To prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020 to end
05:26:37: Abortion to criminalize it once and for all and to do it as Christians help us in 2020 to once and for all end this
05:26:48: Help us to shut these places down and help us to do it with the message of the gospel so I think one of the interesting things to know both in American culture and in Australian culture is
05:27:38: And really with any culture that was once started by Christians or with the Christian worldviews in the atmosphere When you look at how those cultures have abandoned their foundations now, you don't just get things like the culture of death
05:27:49: But you also get a much bigger government like we say, you know We don't want God's law and so it becomes man's law becomes tyrannical rules over every single little detail
05:28:01: Yeah of life. That's one of the things I've noticed even about Sydney Brisbane is just the level of government control like a crack in the sidewalk
05:28:10: Right, you can film here Which is three feet away from? here interesting
05:28:17: Yeah But yeah, I think it speaks to the task of Christians at hand who may live in Australia places like Sydney Brisbane the cities that we've been to They have a task ahead of them because here in Australia It's unlike the
05:28:34: United States and that you have kind of a even a cultural Christianity difference like in America back home even if you don't
05:28:43: Necessarily aren't able to articulate the gospel and nothing's about Jesus. There's still that cultural nominal
05:28:48: Christianity, but here that doesn't exist All right, it's it's it's just secularized.
05:28:54: It's it's man's law man's at the center And I think if Christians really want to make an impact here in their presentation of the gospel, they can't begin at the cross
05:29:02: They have to begin at the garden they have to go back and tell the story of God as he's revealed it and Him being the source the origin the foundation the
05:29:15: Bible says for from him and through him and to him are all things And I think that if Christians in Australia can get back to clearly communicating the biblical narrative of creation
05:29:26: God creating man in his image male and female the Commission in the garden
05:29:33: Because you mentioned Concentralization right the state having wanting to have ultimate authority if God's not at the center of that picture
05:29:39: Then man will undoubtedly place himself at the center of that picture when you have competing
05:29:46: Narratives of history you have the world view that all we are is just matter in motion That mankind is really no different from any other creature.
05:29:54: They're just part of the interdependence of all things in nature, right? and in that worldview
05:30:00: Nature even our very bodies aren't the handiwork of a designer a good creator of God who?
05:30:07: commissions us for his purposes who calls us to reflect his image in his glory into the world and Having that title of a vice regent or exercising creative dominion over God's creation not rebelliously
05:30:22: But in accordance with God's revealed standard as his children When you when you remove that you have a hostile creation you have something that is in need of being controlled and manipulated
05:30:35: And so man has to exercise that level of control because creation is no longer the handiwork of a loving
05:30:41: God It's a hostile environment in which man has to surmise his 10 ,000 commandments rather than God's ten commandments in order to control and exercise his dominion over Because it's hostile to me and so you must be in control you must have man at the center
05:30:58: With centralized there has to be a sovereign there has to be a Lord And if Christians can communicate that story get back to the garden get back to what we lost
05:31:09: And then of course what Christ comes in to restore and to reconcile and to bring back to man I think some progress can be made
05:31:18: It's interesting being here look at America because you know we live there and it's a fight we have to fight and be a part of so we're looking at our culture and the places that are falling off and what
05:31:29: We have to do to work the gospel into all that stuff but when I look at actually Sydney Brisbane and look at the level of control of the government and see where the culture seems to be in terms of abandonment
05:31:39: Of God and just completely humanist secular I think that I think there's a very very large mountain to climb in Australia.
05:31:52: I Which is saying a lot yeah, and that's not that's not the same thing to denigrate the Australian Church or Australian people
05:31:58: It's just to say there's such a secularization and humanism Inherent in everything that I think that they have a huge mountain to climb.
05:32:05: I think you're right It's got to go back to the basics foundation. Who's the sovereign who's the creator?
05:32:11: You know what's unique about you as an image bearer of God. What's the foundation for ethics? Oh, and now that we've got that let's talk about how fallen you are and how you need
05:32:19: Jesus right and then and then from there you know, I always I just think it's it's you know with our ministry, we're
05:32:27: Big believers in the gospel of God's grace the gospel of the kingdom We believe that Christ is gonna be victorious in history through regenerating people saving people all over the world
05:32:38: And we believe ultimately that as people are saved their hearts are changed and then they love God's law So as you change a culture through the gospel
05:32:46: They begin to love God's law and start to employ it all over right the all over the place
05:32:52: So when I look at a place like Australia and of course us we're in a mess, too But Australia it just seems like so many of those foundations that are necessary to really begin building or just not
05:33:03: There so as we talk about ending abortion in Australia, I'm looking around and I'm thinking
05:33:09: You know, I think I think if you did a poll across the United States and you said Who wants to ban abortion right now?
05:33:16: I think we would win. Mm -hmm, even even the nominal Christians, right? You know Mormons Muslims that reflects accurate.
05:33:23: I think I think that we would if it was by a vote of the people I think abortion would actually be illegal. I don't feel the same about here.
05:33:30: No. Yeah, I wouldn't have that confidence. Yeah And they were like proud of it, you know, you're saying there's like no vestiges of Christianity Yeah, we joke, but it's for real like the only vestige was a sign that said
05:33:52: Church Street Yeah, you know everything is like they were just like Bragadocious almost about how much they hate
05:34:01: God Everywhere everybody and it was yeah, I think you're right. Just they got a long ways to go what you know
05:34:07: There's definitely solid people in the Australian Church a solid movement in the Australian Church, but it does culturally
05:34:14: This is my second time in Australia and in New Zealand It does seem culturally like there's just a much greater secularization
05:34:22: Yeah, and I guess that's saying a lot because in America it is I mean, it just seems total in many ways
05:34:28: But I don't know. It just seems like there's a much larger They're at a stage where there's already more government sovereignty government control a hatred for the things of God, you know
05:34:39: It's just it's just interesting to see where they're at so I feel I really feel like this is the beginning for the
05:34:46: Australian Church and team in terms of bringing the gospel into conflict with abortion Working to communicate the authority of Jesus and the legislature.
05:34:54: I really feel like they're at the very very seed Of all this.
05:35:00: Yeah, we may be just a little sprout out of the ground But I think they're at that seed stage We're so much much of the
05:35:07: Australian Church needs to be work needs to be woken up to the fact that this is about the Gospel and you had better suffer and you had better fight because that's where you have to begin at that stage
05:35:19: Hashtag hashtag woke church. That's a great point You can't fight humanism and paganism with more humanism right and worldly wisdom.
05:35:28: You have to Fight it with the revelation of Scripture and that's what Christians here need to stand on and you said it
05:35:35: I mean the gospel the the changing of people's hearts the Love that gets put into their hearts when they become children of God The desire for God's law and his will to be done in all of society that change of the heart
05:35:48: Happens through the gospel hearts are reoriented towards true worship of God Rather than worship of the created things and as a result of that Societies and cultures change back to God.
05:36:00: There's a production of the things which God loves and values culture of life Big word, but cosmology and an order a structure of life, right?
05:36:09: That's built and designed around God and his word and that reflects in the law. So I think if Christians here can focus on Clearly communicating what makes the good news good
05:36:21: Why is the gospel of the kingdom? Why is the gospel of God's rule in the world?
05:36:28: How is that good news right for a culture that is just steeped in man centeredness?
05:36:33: Well, that's critical. I like how you said that You put it in terms of the gospel of the kingdom.
05:36:39: I really feel like that's like one of the essential parts that Both our nation and Australia and New Zealand need to learn is the good news of the kingdom
05:36:46: Ask the average Christian that in America or Australia say what's good news about the kingdom?
05:36:52: I think I'm guessing I think most of them would probably think through it and go Then we get to go to heaven one day.
05:36:58: Yeah, like God's kingdom is the destination for us, right? But that's just not what the Old Testament or New Testament say about the kingdom of God.
05:37:05: It's a very present reality It's here. Jesus brought it. Jesus is bringing people into it now like no doesn't mean going to heaven one day
05:37:12: It means like right now. So like that's the thing, right? What's good news about God's rule right because it applies to Sydney and their legislature
05:37:19: Yes, the rule of right now Jesus is good news because he will rule over your legislature
05:37:25: With wisdom power justice right through his word. Yes, that's good news complete sovereignty
05:37:32: Right look at the gospel of Mark Jesus shows up on the scene repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand
05:37:38: The time is fulfilled. This is the time that's in with it's at the fingertip reach right now
05:37:43: So the question is what is the kingdom without the king? right the king and the gospel of The good news of the kingdom is that the king has come right and because living in light of that knowledge of the king coming
05:37:57: Repent and believe Believe in the good news that changes hearts that changes minds and ultimately leads to the change in society
05:38:05: It's a change in the production of righteous laws that protect the unborn That value the distinctions gender distinctions between male and female that honors marriage and everything that produces a culture of life
05:38:16: Those are the things in society that need protection in a society like this those are the things that are having the most protections removed right because the culture of death and Even though it's beautiful Even though it's glorious and it bears the the handiwork of its creator
05:38:33: It has a darkness to it and that darkness is something that can only Be broken into by the lights of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ Jesus So the culture of death will end
05:38:46: In our nation in and this one and in everyone first with repentance. Yes, so there's no no culture of death
05:38:53: Going away until there's repentance. That's right. Yes a change of minds Isaiah chapter 1
05:39:04: And let's pray father Help me
05:39:10: To communicate your word and your truth To your people let me be forgotten
05:39:19: Christ remembered and glorified Father please don't let these be the words of a mere man
05:39:28: About such an important issue Lord that is so far above our ability in ourselves to defeat
05:39:37: What I can't do I? Have do not have the skills Abilities I don't have the power to change anyone's mind
05:39:49: To give them courage to give anybody any hope
05:39:54: For the future and myself And so God, I pray that you'd move by your spirit here among us today to challenge convict rebuke
05:40:06: Or bring repentance, I pray Lord that your word would go forth and bring life and Lord find our deepest most secret hiding places
05:40:21: God and expose them in Jesus name. Amen Isaiah chapter 1
05:40:28: Starting at verse 10 Hear the word of the
05:40:34: Lord you rulers of Sodom Give ear to the teaching of our
05:40:40: God you people of Gomorrah What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices?
05:40:48: says Yahweh I've had enough of burnt offerings I've had enough of burnt offerings of the ramps
05:41:41: And The fat of well -fed beasts I Do not delight in the blood of bulls or lambs or goats
05:41:54: When you come to appear appear before me Who has required of you this trampling of my courts
05:42:16: God says bring no more vain offerings Incenses and abominations me
05:42:25: New moon and Sabbath and the calling of convocations I Cannot endure iniquity and solemn assembly
05:42:36: Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hates
05:42:49: They have become a burden to me I am weary of bearing them
05:42:59: When you spread out your hands I God says
05:43:22: I will not listen Your hands are full of blood
05:43:30: Wash yourselves and make yourselves clean Remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes
05:43:50: Cease to do evil Learn to do good seek justice correct oppression
05:44:01: Bring justice to the fatherless Plead the widow's cause Come now let us reason together says the
05:44:09: Lord Though your sins are as scarlet they should be white as snow
05:44:15: They are red like crimson. They should become like wool If you are willing and obedient you shall eat the good of the land
05:44:22: But if you refuse and rebel you should be eaten by the sword For the mouth of the
05:44:28: Lord has spoken How the faithful city has become a whore She who is full of justice
05:44:37: Righteousness lodged in her but now murderers Your silver has become dross
05:44:52: Your best wine mixed with water Your princes are rebels the companions of thieves
05:45:00: Everyone loves a bribe and runs after gifts They do not bring justice to the fatherless
05:45:07: And the widow's cause does not come to them If you would join me in your knees
05:45:45: God this passage is us Lord this day
05:46:36: You know, it's not out of your control How many innocent babies died
05:46:45: In just this city Tomorrow Lord worship is gonna happen in our cities and in our states
05:46:57: People will lift hands to you People will sing songs
05:47:04: And they'll say peace peace When there is none
05:47:21: Lord we Lie to you and Everyone around us about our
05:47:31: Love for you and love for others Lord. We're frauds We're hypocrites
05:47:47: Father, I know that your character doesn't change you or our moods you you don't change
05:47:56: God, we know that your character hasn't changed from this Word that you gave us.
05:48:02: We know the Lord You are still Full of wrath
05:48:09: And anger when there is injustice and wickedness and murderers
05:48:17: All around us Father help us to repent
05:48:30: God I ask for it to be genuine Lord you say
05:48:37: The Oclean us wash your people white as snow that's after you say to stop
05:48:50: To seek justice Protect the fatherless
05:48:57: So God we're here today asking you Lord to bring us to that place
05:49:05: We know that in Christ we have his righteousness we know that we are Standing before you with bold and confident access, but we ask
05:49:13: Lord for new strength Help us Lord to establish justice
05:49:21: Please break our hearts over this wickedness Help us to hate murderers among us and murder being done around around us as much as you do
05:49:34: Help us to love these fatherless children Help us to not be frauds
05:49:40: Help us to not be hypocrites Jesus name
05:49:46: Amen So Isaiah chapter 1
05:50:06: It's challenging because it's one of those passages that you want to see is a Moment with God's people that's passed right that was
05:50:15: Israel That's Israel who's constantly face planning constantly failing and then going through the cycle of idolatry to in the dirt to Salvation forgiveness mercy back down to idolatry and sin and injustice
05:50:32: But it's interesting Bible says that God Doesn't change
05:50:38: I'm the Lord I do not change therefore you sons of Jacob are not consumed. That's why
05:50:45: I don't change You do you have bad days you have inconsistencies
05:50:53: You don't do things right you're not obedient all the time
05:51:00: You lash out you don't love You're unjust you're unmerciful
05:51:06: I'm not God doesn't change As he tells his people you're not consumed because I don't change
05:51:13: It's the everlasting God He's unmovable he's not like us and When you read through God's Gift of Revelation to us and you see how he actually deals with his people in history
05:51:29: You have to see of course God has ways that he deals with his people in terms of how he extends us mercy and how he portrays the work of Christ in history and you have symbolism that goes away and you have dietary restrictions that are training wheels for God's people to teach them to be separate to teach them to be holy and Those things in Christ and a new covenant go away
05:51:53: But it's interesting we act like in the new covenant somehow God has gone from a
05:51:59: God who loves justice to a God who's not concerned with justice we act like God was concerned with justice and righteousness in the land before and he hated when the land was polluted and Defiled We act like well now we have the
05:52:19: God of the New Covenant He's a God of mercy and grace and love and he's not like that anymore
05:52:28: But he doesn't change. That's the message of the Bible and that's why we're not consumed because he doesn't change
05:52:34: He's stable unmovable. His character is righteous He is just he is the he is the the principium the reference point of all that Objectivity of righteousness and goodness and justice and holiness and truth and there's nothing that bends it's he's
05:52:51: Unyielding nothing moves in him and that's why you can depend on him And when you look through the revelation of God's Word in the
05:52:58: Old Testament You see this constant cycle the people of God go through and that is where justice and righteousness exists
05:53:09: There is holiness and obedience to God there is a love for God and a love for neighbor being
05:53:14: Propagated upwards and outwards and downwards and backwards. It's there truth is residing.
05:53:21: You see blessing blessing fruit protection all of that you see there and then you see of course the pursuit of the idolatry the
05:53:29: Abandonment of God's truth the abandonment of justice and righteousness and you see of course That cycle where the people of God come under the disciplining hand of God where God throws their faces into the dirt
05:53:41: Breaks them shatters them so that they can look up again to seek justice and righteousness
05:53:47: And that's the cycle isn't it where God says? Okay, I'm gonna bring you down I'm gonna crush you and here's what
05:53:53: I want from you. I want you to seek my forgiveness and then come out of This back to justice back to righteousness back to protecting the fatherless back to pleading the widow's cause back to Establishing my standards my law.
05:54:10: This is God's world Doesn't belong to the devil. It doesn't belong to the enemy. It doesn't belong to wicked sinners we are just Visiting we are just tenants.
05:54:21: He's allowed us to rest in His spots in his spaces in his homes
05:54:26: And what he says is if you don't obey you don't seek justice If you don't protect these children if you tolerate murderers round about you
05:54:34: I will wipe you off the face of the earth and you think okay
05:54:39: Well, is that true for everybody or is that a special covenantal relationship just with Israel brothers and sisters?
05:54:46: Even the texts if we read the Old Testament Anymore You see that God actually says even dealing with the issue of homosexuality with his people
05:54:58: He tells them it's an abomination No, this is an abomination Turn away from this sin
05:55:04: It's an abomination and he lists these sins the same sorts of sins that are all around us today and he says it's for these reasons
05:55:13: These things the reason that God is actually destroying all the nations round about Israel So it's not just Israel that God is judging and breaking and wiping off the face of the earth at times because of covenantal
05:55:29: Disobedience, he actually judges the pagans for the very same sins. They're supposed to know Romans 1 says they know they know that they're specially created by God.
05:55:38: They know he's the true God They don't want that knowledge. So they exchange the knowledge of the true God for a lie
05:55:43: And so then what do they do they go? Into worshiping other things in place of God because we don't want to know him and so they start actually having men with men women with women as an expression of their worship idolatry and rebellion against the true
05:55:58: God and God says in his word It's for these very sins.
05:56:03: I'm destroying these pagan nations around you. Yeah, he cares about the sin within the community of God and Outside this is
05:56:12: God's world and the promise of Scripture is the meek shall inherit the earth God's people
05:56:21: Get this place so with that I Wanted to point to something in that text
05:56:31: Hear the word of the Lord And this is God it's in the text you can't argue with it because he says there's solemn assemblies
05:56:42: Their appointed feasts right their Convocations their offerings they're appearing before him in his courts as the people of God.
05:56:50: He's talking to get it So now contextualize it unmovable God unchangeable
05:56:55: God He speaks to his covenant people and he actually challenges their worship. They're coming to church.
05:57:01: They're coming to sing their songs They're coming to worship and do communion and all these different things there all the things they're giving to God right all their missions work all their services all their all their all the things they do for the
05:57:12: Community the homeless cook -offs and all the things that are going on, right? This is the people of God right?
05:57:18: And this is the the covenant people of God and this is what he says to them With a special relationship with him
05:57:25: Hear the word of the Lord you rulers of Sodom Give ear to the teachings of our
05:57:31: God you people of Gomorrah Sodom and Gomorrah were of course we know those famous places in history where their sin their perversions their sexual crimes and all the turning away from God and God's order and all the goodness and Justiceness and wholeness or justice and wholeness all that was taking that should take place was not taking place
05:57:57: And so what does God do Sodom and Gomorrah is now marked in history The name will never be forgotten Sodom and Gomorrah is this place in history of disgusting disgraceful abominable wicked sinful sexual immorality and It's now marked in history as the spot of a place that God hates
05:58:17: He wants you to see as disgraceful and despicable. He wants you to despise and it's a place that God actually destroyed
05:58:25: So that mark it in your minds how wicked and evil and God destroys this place and God says to his covenant people he says
05:58:34: Listen Sodom Listen Gomorrah and you say wait, no.
05:58:40: No, we're the Church of the Living God. We're Christians We love
05:58:45: Jesus. That's our place look at look at our crosses on our walls and look at all the amazing things we have in the lights and the
05:58:52: Things for worship look at look at everything we have going on here the fog the smokes and every look at all the things we're doing
05:58:58: For the community like we're Christians. It's on our building. It says first Christian Church like that's our space like that's who we are
05:59:04: I identify as Christian. I love Jesus and God says
05:59:11: To his people who identify as Jews as covenant people. He says no, you're
05:59:18: Sodom You're Gomorrah You're the place of abominations and immorality that deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth
05:59:28: That's who you are. And I think honestly, we probably don't feel the sting of it I was praying through this and thinking through it
05:59:34: I think we don't really feel the sting of being called Sodom and Gomorrah like really like we should so what's a
05:59:40: Disgusting a disgraceful place in this world Within a couple generations of us that we understand because we learned about it in school and we've seen the pictures
05:59:49: What do we think about we reflect on evil places in history that deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth
05:59:54: We have honestly no compassion for like do you I don't I don't have any
05:59:59: I don't feel bad for The Nazis who are running Auschwitz. I don't I don't
06:00:05: I don't have any compassion for the out for them in Auschwitz I don't have any compassion for the people who were over these
06:00:11: Jews and Disabled people and all the rest and just just gutting them and destroying them and gassing them.
06:00:17: I have none I want justice in their place. Of course, I'd love for them to turn to Jesus praise God, but justice in this life matters to God I don't have compassion for a person who's murdering another human being that way.
06:00:28: I think you deserve justice I hope you find Christ, but I hope that justice is served in your life
06:00:34: We could think about those spots in history that we all know where you see that's piles and piles and piles and piles of dead
06:00:40: Bodies went to the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC and there's a room if you've been there, you know what
06:00:45: I'm talking about It's the room of shoes When you walk into that room, it's something you'll never forget
06:00:50: It's a room of just shoes piles and piles and piles of shoes. They're the shoes of Those Jews who were slaughtered just a room full of shoes.
06:01:00: It's so many shoes. It's overwhelming to look at It's just piles of shoes and these are all dead people
06:01:05: And the thing you'll always remember about that room is the smell as you walk through there
06:01:11: So you have these spots as American Christians like that's a disgusting place
06:01:17: I understand the justice that was deserved and I'm glad it's wiped off the face of the map
06:01:22: I'm glad that it's over with they deserved it Well in our context with all the dead bodies around us on a daily basis
06:01:30: Would it be appropriate for God to speak to his church? His professing church in North America today on the issue of abortion saying something like this
06:01:39: Hear the words of the Lord you rulers of Auschwitz American Citizens who complain about this death camp
06:01:50: But tolerate the death camps all around you all the dead bodies just building up Every Tuesday every
06:01:58: Thursday surgical abortion day every Saturday all the piles and piles of dead babies So listen
06:02:05: Auschwitz is it getting through Is it connecting with us yet now as modern?
06:02:12: sophisticated American Christians Now I oftentimes think Maybe it's a good thing that God just crushes the
06:02:21: American Church Takes away our buildings throws our faces into the dirt to rot takes away all of our stuff
06:02:27: Maybe we need tyranny to get to its climax and its peak Maybe we need to receive beatings and be thrown into prisons.
06:02:34: So finally, we'll actually break free from this Unbelievable this facade of this
06:02:42: Disneyland right experience of life an American dream and all the rest and Actually come back to the reality of what's true about the world who
06:02:50: I am before God who Jesus is and what God expects of me as a follower of Jesus Do we need to be crushed as a church
06:03:00: Or will we respond to God's Word and actually step out in faith?
06:03:05: Jesus says why why do you call? Me Lord Lord, and you don't do what
06:03:12: I say It's the challenge of Jesus to his people their father
06:03:18: Why do you call me Lord? So many people confess Jesus as Lord so many churches tomorrow though or rise up around here with thousands of members that don't do
06:03:27: Anything about the Holocaust happening down the street from their church Piles and piles of dead bodies and everyone says peace peace
06:03:37: There is no peace There's dead bodies and we pretend we lie.
06:03:42: We say go be warm be filled little baby What do you mean by that American Christian?
06:03:50: What did you mean by be warm be filled when you said to these dead babies? What what you mean what you do about the abortion facility that's killing 50 babies on Saturday.
06:04:00: That's 15 minutes from your house But be warm and be filled I hope those babies get taken care of well, what'd you do about it?
06:04:08: What'd you say? How'd you stand against it? How did you do what Jesus? Commanded you which is to love your neighbor as you love yourself and we say things like well
06:04:17: My pastor preached his sermon this year on a pro -life Sunday It was the day that he preaches once a year about abortion and you know,
06:04:27: I gave five bucks. I think once to One of those pro -life organizations I gave some money one time to one of those how we doing and serve not so well
06:04:40: Thousands of babies still die all around us today and it's it's you know, it's amazing. I don't know.
06:04:46: This is a hard thing Is it even let's admit it John rusty? Zack all everyone in this room and has been this forever admitted
06:04:55: We get jaded to these truths as well I don't think that I'm sensitive enough to the fact that babies are really dying and I forget
06:05:07: I do And there's times where I could go and I should go and I don't because I am fraud.
06:05:23: I Think we just need to confess it even we don't treat this like it should be treated It's just the truth it is the truth we are we are we are inconsistent and we need to repent of that We don't put flesh on this we're jaded to all these truths
06:05:38: We are we're just jaded to it. Even you get into this group like this where it's like this is the gospel once Let's end abortion because Jesus and let's you know, let's abolition and and criminalize abortion and even in this room
06:05:51: We're totally jaded to the fact that today right around us today while we're doing this so many babies died There's no flesh on that's not real to us.
06:05:58: It's just this far away Theoretical thing most of the time We're not really broken over and I'm not saying we need to walk around every day as sad saps and and And there's no joy in the
06:06:08: Christian life and act like God isn't sovereign because he's sovereign over all the dead babies But that's a sovereign judgment on us on our nation
06:06:20: But we have to put flesh on it Right, I treat it like it's a real thing.
06:06:26: Like it's It's really happening. I Think I was like Lord, how do
06:06:33: I do it? Because I have so many messages online about abortion, how do you answer objections?
06:06:39: What are their arguments? We have hundreds of videos on the street. I'm like, I don't want to reiterate the same things.
06:06:46: I want to repent I Want to confess sin. I want to just deal with the plain teaching of Scripture and just say we're wrong repent
06:06:55: God hates our worship when we don't seek justice. Did you hear that? God hates our worship when we don't seek justice
06:07:04: I'm not going to treat you in an abusive way, but I want you to hear it So you leave with it God hates our worship when we don't seek justice
06:07:12: Hates it. And so I thought about what ways can
06:07:19: I do this? How can I put flesh on this so that it's like in front of us and real for a minute?
06:07:26: So I brought my daughter if that's okay, I don't want to I don't want I don't mean to make her feel embarrassed But I wanted to bring her up for a second.
06:07:31: She has me my daughter. This is Imogen So Imogen as you can see, it's just a cute she's pregnant
06:07:45: So she She's married and that's her husband over there Kyle. So she's not
06:07:50: Imogen Durbin anymore She's Imogen pointer and this right here is Evangeline maple pointer.
06:07:57: I Love that name. So how many weeks are you now 28 weeks 28 weeks?
06:08:04: So 28 weeks and I want to contrast something for a moment To put flesh on this this is
06:08:13: Eve alive my granddaughter her daughter
06:08:21: This past week she did an ultrasound and in the ultrasound we're looking at pictures of Eve like Like making funny faces like throwing her hand up at her face like blocking the camera like please no like no no pictures and we're laughing about Eve's behavior even now in the womb and She's around 28 weeks pregnant and we're already buying things for Eve referring to her as Eve We're buying her clothes and we're making sure we have everything for her.
06:08:53: She's comfortable We can't wait to just hold her Nothing new is gonna take place when she's out in the world in terms of who she is
06:09:01: Her value her beauty her dignity our love for her. It's just that then we're gonna get to actually hold her
06:09:08: Thank you, Imogen. Thank you while we're planning ourselves
06:09:15: Seeing these pictures seeing her little fingers while we're planning to kiss her face and her lips and her hands
06:09:24: There are in this city abortionists looking at the same pictures Figuring out how to sever the head from the neck
06:09:32: How to take the hands from the arms how to disembowel the child
06:09:41: That's the reality of what we're facing Do you know that in Arizona right now? Imogen can kill
06:09:50: Eve she can kill her. That's the truth
06:09:58: All around the country right now Moms like Imogen Can kill their daughters.
06:10:07: I Have one grandson that's out right now His name is Ezra. I saw a video of him yesterday
06:10:13: Hope sent it my daughter -in -law, and he was buck naked dancing in the hallway
06:10:20: It's the most beautiful amazing thing I've ever seen in my life He's only like one years old and he does not stop dancing when he eats food.
06:10:28: He dances when he's naked he dances He loves to dance right? He's the sweetest little thing God ever made
06:10:34: He's only one and she's pregnant right now with another son They're thinking of names
06:10:41: One they've kind of sort of land they might change in a little while, but we like this one
06:10:46: Seth Athanasius Durbin Athanasius is my hero from history.
06:10:52: He's the patron saint of post -millennialism He was the man who stood against those who were trying to Defile the church and reject the
06:11:04: Trinity And it was amazing thing that actually happened in history that the Trinity is actually under attack when that's the teaching of Scripture And the whole church and then there's a moment where it's squeezed down because of false teaching and one guy
06:11:16: Athanasius Contramundum against the world stands for the Trinity God preserved the truth of the
06:11:23: Trinity through Athanasius I can't wait to meet him So my son is thinking of Seth Athanasius Durbin, you know a
06:11:33: Christian hero name Notice we've already named these babies
06:11:41: Because nothing's gonna be different Except their location Nothing's different about their value
06:11:50: About their dignity about the image of God in them about what God calls us to be in their lives
06:11:58: It's just a matter of time and space Getting into my arms that's it and today because The church will not seek justice and lay our lives down for the fatherless
06:12:16: How many Eve's are dying? How many Seth Athanasius Durbin's are dying in the womb?
06:12:24: How many died? today And I remember those, you know one
06:12:29: Christian that said I think it was a baby babies are murdered here, too that you can't because of the gravity of the situation and just how
06:12:38: Huge it is you can't really think about this in terms of 60 million babies 60 million babies you can't it's too big
06:12:48: It's too big Like we throw together numbers of Pol Pot and Stalin and Mao and Hitler and you start throwing like tens and tens of millions
06:12:55: Do you just be honest? You can't think about it. It's too big of a number. It's too hard to actually
06:13:01: Comprehend something you you do have to think about this One baby at a time one life at a time, you know, we started this
06:13:18: I don't even know how many years ago We started this we were repentant of our sin of not acting
06:13:29: We were repentant of our hypocrisy of our fraudulent Christianity And I mean that it's a fraud
06:13:39: And so we went out to the abortion mill first day saved two babies
06:13:45: Two And it it still wasn't real
06:13:52: Like it it was amazing and we were like no you didn't have to do that We were like you didn't have to have a saved baby on our first day
06:14:01: We would have gone ten years still doing it and then saved a baby. I'm like, I'm fine One life our whole life to save one life is worth all of it.
06:14:09: That's what I've said We've said an apology at church for years if we go our whole lives Every day to be a witness out there with the gospel and we save one life.
06:14:17: It's a life well -lived. I'm fine I'm good with that first day two babies still didn't seem real
06:14:23: Then we continue to save more babies still didn't seem real. We're just numbers are climbing. Yeah, I'm gonna say 25 now
06:14:29: Oh my goodness 25 babies 26 27 40 babies 45.
06:14:34: It's just climbing climbing climbing Still not real It became real
06:14:41: The first day I held Carmelo in my arms he was a baby who was seconds
06:14:49: Seconds away from death and I still don't comprehend it.
06:14:55: I can't feel the weight of it still because it's so Incredible his providence is so amazing.
06:15:02: I can't comprehend it that if we hadn't gone that day And stood there
06:15:11: If this atheist hadn't been there that day fighting with us if he hadn't been wearing out my friend next to me and Exasperating him
06:15:22: So that my friend left To go to the front of the building Where Chris could see out his sign will help you please don't kill your baby
06:15:32: That didn't happen all those little moments of Providence if we weren't there Carmelo would be dead because his mom was in the abortion facility pre -op getting ready to kill
06:15:47: Carmelo and Chris goes running in after talking to us and Threatened him said
06:15:52: I'm gonna break down the door if you don't let me get in there to get my wife They didn't want any of that.
06:15:57: So they let him in He goes in there. He pulls her out. She comes out Everybody's frantic.
06:16:03: Everybody's it's just chaos mass chaos. She's crying. I'm crying. Everybody's crying Babies alive and she's you know, what's amazing?
06:16:11: I'll never forget this. I never mentioned this publicly. I've never mentioned this It just dawned on me. I never mentioned this
06:16:17: It is the first time I've ever talked about this out loud When she came out, do you know what she was doing?
06:16:25: She was praising God She was about to kill her child and her response to Christians coming to rescue her child was just was to sing praises to God She was saying thank
06:16:43: God. Thank thank you. God. Thank you. God. Thank you guys for being here. Thank God and I remember
06:16:52: She had Carmelo and then the special night Where she came to Apology of Church and at the time
06:17:00: Apology of Church still very very very small church small huddle of people mostly rebels
06:17:08: And a rough -looking crowd This woman brings this little tiny baby in and all of us just passed around Carmelo You really had to be there
06:17:34: To see How much it changed everybody When you hold this baby in your arms that you know would be dead
06:17:43: If you didn't love him, right? It just changed everybody
06:17:50: Nobody can hold back tears Because you all know you're holding this most beautiful little boy
06:17:55: The only reason he exists right now Is because Christians actually?
06:18:02: loved him enough to do something I Have plenty of messages up on the authority of Jesus his kingdom,
06:18:17: I Think you heard enough for me about the call to go into the public square and lay your life down for the gospel and give everything up and If you don't believe me
06:18:29: You don't agree that's on you I'll leave that between you and the Lord But one thing you can't deny
06:18:39: Is Matthew 25 31 When the Son of Man Comes in his glory and all the angels with him
06:18:50: Then he will sit on his glorious throne Before him will be gathered all the nations and he will separate
06:18:57: People from one another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats He'll place the sheep on his right, but the goats on his left
06:19:05: Then the king will say to those on his right come You who are blessed by my father inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world
06:19:14: For I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me drink I was a stranger and you welcomed me.
06:19:21: I was naked and you clothed me I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came to me and the righteous will answer saying
06:19:31: Lord when Did we see you hungry and feed you or thirsty and give you drink and when do we see you a
06:19:45: Stranger and welcome you or Naked and clothe you
06:19:57: And when do we see you sick or in prison and visit you and the king will answer them
06:20:09: Truly I say to you as you did it to one at least of These my brothers
06:20:19: You did it to me There's no way out of this
06:20:29: There's no way to avoid this. There's not interpretation problems and translational issues
06:20:37: Jesus says to his people When you did it to them Here's the word to the modern
06:20:53: American Church Then he will say to those of his left
06:21:00: Depart from me you cursed into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels For I was hungry
06:21:09: And you gave me no food I Was thirsty and you gave me no drink. I was a stranger and you did not welcome me
06:21:18: Naked and you did not clothe me sick and in prison and you did not visit me And they also will answer saying
06:21:25: Lord when did we see you hungry or thirsty or stranger and naked or sick or in prison It not been did not minister to you
06:21:32: Then he'll answer them saying truly I say to you as you did not do it to one of the least of these you did not