Why I'm Voting for Trump in 2020 (and why I was never trump in 2016)

Why I Was a Never-Trumper in 2016

Welcome to Conversations That Matter podcast. My name is John Harris. This is the episode many of you have been waiting for. Why I am voting for President Donald Trump this year when I didn't in 2016.

I was on the more conservative side of the never-Trumper, I don't want to call it a movement, but mentality. Beginning to find out most of the never-Trumpers are just progressives. They're not conservatives.

I was a conservative who was concerned about Donald Trump because I didn't think he would be a conservative. I have changed my mind. It's not so much a change as it is an evolution of understanding where the issues are.

I think the scenario has changed. I think Trump has changed. There's actually a bunch of things going on that are changing. I'm going to explain all that and why I am choosing to vote for Donald Trump this time.

I do want to say up front, if you decide to vote for a third party, you can't do it. I understand. That's okay. I'm not judging you for that. I'm just going to tell you how I'm coming at this. I think it's a matter of wisdom.

There's good, better, best. I'm not thinking about this as necessarily it is an objectively right or wrong thing whether or not to vote for Donald Trump. You've seen my thoughts in the past on voting for Joe Biden, voting for the Democrat platform, using any logic that would make you vote for Joe Biden, that tries to ease your conscience about abortion, and these kinds of things.

That is wrong. That is objectively wrong. You can go to other videos where I've talked about this, but this video is about Donald Trump and why I'm choosing to vote for him this time. I want to say a few things up front.

Number one, thank you to everyone who supports me through prayer, through giving. I have had a very busy week. A lot of unexpected phone calls. I've been on the phone a lot and trying to help people, trying to make connections for people in ministries, personally.

I just want to let you know that sometimes we only see the tip of the iceberg. Those of you who are my patrons and supporters, et cetera, those who pray for me, and there is more going on. I just wanted to give you that encouragement.

There's some conversations I've been able to have that have been encouraging, and you're part of that in some way. The other thing I wanted to remind you of is that no matter who wins on Election Day, God is sovereign.

I know that sounds cliche. I know that it gets thrown out there sometimes inappropriately to just kind of say it doesn't matter almost. I get the sense when I hear some people say that it's almost fatalistic.

Well, whatever happens, God's in control. As if it doesn't matter. It does matter who's in the White House. Yeah, God's on His throne, but it does matter. We have actually a decision to make ourselves because we're in a Republican form of government.

We get to vote for representatives, and it's important I say that. We get to vote for people that represent us in the electoral college who then choose the president. I'm thankful for that. I think no system is perfect.

This side of heaven, there's always going to be weaknesses that sinful men can use, but it's a pretty good system. God is sovereign, and what I would like to remind you of is His sovereignty through history.

All the people that had to live through horrible times for Christians—think of Soviet Russia. Think of Maoist China even in the last century. You go back to the original Christians and think about the persecution that they underwent under Nero.

There have been many times in history it's been hard to be a Christian, and I do think that our country is running towards persecution. There's been a little bit of it, but not to that extent quite yet, but we're going there.

We're going to a time when Christians will be censored. Some of them are already. They will be perhaps even thrown into jail or whatever. Their social credit will go down. We'll talk a little more about social credit later, but if Trump is elected, we have four more years.

We have a reprieve, and that's four more years. What I mean by reprieve is we have four more years to specifically exercise some of the freedoms that have been enjoyed in this country for a long time.

Since its inception, we get to have freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, freedom to worship, and we can exercise those freedoms. We can evangelize. We can worship. We have freedom to exercise our religious convictions, and we need to take advantage of that.

If we get four more years, guys, we need to take advantage of it. I've been thinking about the last four years because I had that same thought when Trump got in last time. I thought, well, at least Hillary's not going to be clamping down with hate crimes legislation where she censors what kinds of sins we can talk about when we're evangelizing or when the church meets.

This COVID thing has really shown, though, that persecution can come in different ways. You can just say the church isn't essential, and liquor stores and abortion mills and you can go get pot. Those kinds of things are essential, and the church can suffer discrimination.

Christians can suffer discrimination in all sorts of different ways. If Hillary Clinton were president, I think during these last four years, this country would look much different, but even under Trump, though, it's slipping.

We can't take it for granted if Trump gets in, that we're just going to have freedom for perpetuity. We don't have that guarantee. In fact, we have the opposite. We know that at some point, without the intervention of God, obviously, that is going to end.

The country can't sustain itself because the constitution of our country was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other kind of people. Not to scare you too much, because my point is redeem the time no matter what happens, but redeem the time especially if Trump wins.

Number two, remember God is sovereign no matter what happens. He is in control. Go look at the stars the night of the election and think about what he's done through human history and what it's leading up to.

We know in the end, we read the end of the book, he wins. Let's try to take some comfort in that. Now, let's talk about a little bit of my personal history, my voting history. I'm not as consistent as some people probably think.

I think a lot of people think I'm just a Republican, a right-winger. I am a right-winger, I guess, in the sense that I am conservative, traditional, kind of more Burkean conservative. I have not always voted for the Republicans, though, and I have not always been a registered Republican.

In fact, I've worked for the Board of Elections where I grew up a few times for the conservative party. I have voted for a libertarian for president one time because I couldn't vote for McCain. I remember I used to be a lot more idealistic.

I think I've become more pragmatic, and I'm not a libertarian, but at the time I was veering more that direction like a lot of younger people I think do. I ended up one time for a local election, and my mind is foggy on this.

I can't remember exactly if I did a write-in or if I voted for the Democrat, but I think I might have voted for the Democrat. It wasn't because the Democrat wasn't on board with the national Democrat platform.

It was because the Republican was so bad, and the Democrat, actually, with all the local issues that I knew, was actually better. That's why when people say, well, you should discipline people for voting Democrat.

Yeah, if what you mean by that is they're supporting the Democratic Party platform, they're voting for someone who carries that platform, who endorses evil. Sometimes in these local elections, it's almost meaningless.

I'm just saying the party affiliations don't always mean much on the local level, but I digress. Just trying to throw that out there, I have not always been consistent in voting on a straight party line.

In fact, most of the time I don't or I haven't. That's my knowledge. This last election, four years ago, I should say, the election four years ago for president, I did a write-in. It was a write-in.

It was a third party. It was a Constitution party, I think I voted. I did not vote for President Trump. Now, I'm going to get into why I didn't and why things have changed for me and I think have changed for Trump as well and for the situation we're in right now.

I also, I should say, I did work a little bit for the Cruz campaign. I wasn't paid or anything. I just made some phone calls for them. At the time, I really wanted Cruz to get in there. I thought he had shown such moral courage standing against Obamacare and I thought, this Trump guy, he's just a liberal.

I think there was a personal thing. It wasn't all personal. I definitely had principled objections to Trump. But there was also in that, I think, a personal kind of issue that I had with him because of the way that he treated Cruz and the way that he just treated people in general.

And I don't endorse the way he treats a lot of people and has in the past. Now, that being said, so you kind of know where I'm coming from. I am, like I said, principled, conservative. I don't believe in situation ethics.

I don't believe I am an absolutist. I don't believe in pragmatism or ends justifies the means. So you're going to wonder probably how am I approaching this? How do I not use those tools to justify my vote for Trump?

And that's what I want to talk to you about. And if you find inconsistencies, feel free. Look, I'm always open to criticism. If you think that I'm making the wrong decision, tell me in the comments. But I think I've thought through this as much as I can.

And I think I'm coming to the right decision in my mind, at least. So why I did not vote for Trump in 2016. I did not assume it was a binary choice in 2016. That is one of the reasons. I didn't assume that.

And what I mean by that is the coalition governments of Europe, where you have to form a majority to get a coalition government started and then govern that way. And I don't know all the ins and outs of that, but I've thought that that's a superior model because you actually have competing views of the government that one might be more nuanced than the other on a certain issue.

And you just can have, I think, almost better representation because not everyone fits into one or the other box. So the two-party system thing, I didn't really care for that. I still don't really care for that in every way.

I'm also a localist, though, so I think that certain states should probably have certain parties. And, in fact, I think your state election should be more important than your federal. But we left that a while ago.

So I just wanted to live in that world, in my mind, that it wasn't a binary choice. I'm not so sure that world exists anymore, but that's what I thought in 2016. This is not a binary choice. I also thought that I was justified in thinking Trump would not govern conservatively.

I had a track record. I had his talking about his New York City values and that kind of thing. I thought Trump would rebrand conservatism and the GOP and drive young people away, offend everyone, just sink the Republican Party.

There would be no Republican Party, perhaps, or the Democrats would just get the best of us because Trump's the one that's representing it, and he's the way he is. I thought Trump's moral failings also disqualified him.

And so these were really the four reasons that, in 2016, I just could not support Donald Trump. Now, I want to talk about these reasons one by one and what's changed, why I don't view them the same anymore.

The Great Reset and the Threat to National Sovereignty

The first is that the binary choice objection that I had, I have come to the conclusion, especially in 2020, that the Great Reset is a binary choice. What do I mean by that? I want you to watch a few videos, and this may be new to a lot of you, but you need to see what this is, and we'll go from there.

I'm going to show you a few videos. This is from the World Economic Forum on the Great Reset. It says our world has changed. Our challenges are greater. It's showing what's supposed to be climate change.

It's showing the COVID issue. It's showing pollution. Our fragility is exposed. There's that word fragility. Poverty. And it was showing the discrepancies between poor and rich. It says our systems need a reset.

It's showing protesters. Everyone has a role to play. So it's showing COVID, and there's the George Floyd riots, Black Lives Matter riots, rather. Everything. I mean, this is just all-encompassing, you get the impression.

I mean, you've got just all sorts of things that it's showing that are supposed to designate, I think, climate change and space travel and birth and, you know, everything you do in life. And it's just, at the end, says the Great Reset.

Now, this looks like an advertisement because it is. World Economic Forum, the Great Reset. Now, if you know anything about the World Economic Forum, I've talked about it before on this podcast. Right after COVID started up, I went to the website, and they immediately, it was like tailored.

They just had all these, like an agenda that was pre-set to go. Once COVID is a point of discussion, now we can talk about reforming education, rethinking education. We can think about climate change initiatives.

Like every conceivable issue that globalists have ever wanted to shove down our throats was now, in their minds, reachable. They could use, honestly, it's the fear of individuals to then get them to listen to the experts.

That was one of the things I kept seeing is, we're so glad that people are finally listening to the experts. Maybe they'll listen to the experts when it comes to education. We can supply the curriculum and the laptops and everything that poor countries need, and with no strings attached, you know, we'll just, somehow the money's just going to magically appear.

Well, it's a redistribution of some kind. So, anyway, I've talked about this. These are global elites. You look at some of the foundations and people associated with this. I'm encouraging you to do some of your own research.

I mean, I can't bring to you everything that I've seen, but what I can do is I can show you, I don't know, we're going to skip that. I can show you some of the things that they've been saying. Now, this is a video from 2016, okay?

From the World Economic Forum. It says, Eight Predictions for the World in 2030. Watch this. You'll own nothing, and you'll be happy. Whatever you want, you'll rent, and it'll be delivered by drone. We've already seen some of that.

Wait, I'm going to just pause this for a minute. We've seen some of that. The delivery by drone is already happening in some places, right? So, some of this stuff, they knew, they could project and see where technology was going, but you'll own nothing and be happy?

What does that sound like? No ownership? The U .S. won't be the world's leading superpower. That's number two. A handful of countries will dominate. Okay, this is, I mean, this is the Wilsonian dream.

This is the League of Nations. This is the United Nations. This is the Tower of Babel coming back. You won't die waiting for an organ donor because we won't transplant organs. They're going to be able to print organs.

You'll eat much less meat. Now, will you own that transplanted organ? I just got to wonder, is that yours or does that belong to someone else since you'll own nothing and be happy? So, you're not going to eat meat, so we're going to be vegetarians.

A billion people will be displaced by climate change. I wonder where they'll go. We'll have to do a better job at welcoming and integrating refugees. Now, remember what was happening in 2016, and it's just interesting to me.

I think the climate change is connected to that. Polluters will have to pay to emit carbon dioxide. There will be a global price on carbon. This will help make fossil fuels history. Wait, a global price on carbon?

So, there's going to be some kind of centralized authority, governmental authority, global governmental authority that's going to be able to regulate carbon. You could be preparing to go to Mars. Scientists will have worked out how to keep you healthy in space at the start of a journey to find alien life.

Alien life. There's a religious connection to that one, I think. And this one, check this one out. Western values will have been tested to the breaking point. Checks and balances that underpin our democracies must not be forgotten.

Okay, that's... So, where are the checks and balances going to come from? This is a globalist utopia. You're not going to own anything, but things are going to be regulated from a global centralized authority of some kind.

This was in 2016 they put this out. Here's another video on the Great Reset. We have the power.

We have the power. To capture imaginations and influence how the world behaves. We've used that power without thinking about its effect.

Doesn't it sound so spiritual? I mean, really. Doesn't it sound like the fall? You know, this is the fall of man. You know, we were given all this power, but we are the problem somehow. This is what we've done.

And it's consumerism. That's what they're trying to show you. Consumerism is the problem. Buy me signs and eat all this food. Until we paused.

Pause. And reconsidered what was essential. And for a moment, we only made what the world truly needed.

We only made what the world truly needed. By whose standard? Who's going to determine what the world truly needs? The world, not the United States. The world truly needs.

We now have an opportunity to use our influence for society and the planet's best interest. Because right... This is redemption. This is redemption, guys. We now have the opportunity. So we fell. We mismanaged.

We were consumers. Now we have the opportunity, the collective we, to redeem ourselves. There, in front of us, is a great, big, blank page. Our chance to use our creativity. To reimagine. To question what we influence.

To reset the way we live. So pick up your pens, your mouse, your camera. Write, play, perform, or whatever you do. And join the Great Reset. This is thegreatreset .com.

This is an advertisement, guys. This is trying to persuade us into this. Now, if you don't think this is related to social justice in some way, you're wrong. It is related. Now, let me show you this chart here.

The Great Reset chart. Alright, I'm going to make this bigger so you can see it here. So look at all the things that are part of this. You have COVID -19. It's part of the Great Reset. Biodiversity. Cities and urbanization.

Climate change. I mean, it's everything, guys. Everything is part of this. Forests. Human rights. LGBTI inclusion. Gender parity. Drones. 5G. Digital identity. This is everything. The Great Reset touches everything.

Every part of your life. It fundamentally transforms the world. That is the utopian scheme. And you can go on Google and you can just Google this if you want. I prefer DuckDuckGo. Go to DuckDuckGo and search this in an image search and you'll find what I'm talking about here.

Now, I know for some of you this is kind of new stuff and I get that and it can be a little overwhelming but this is something that I've been looking into now for a while so it's not a shocker to me but I'm not...

I'll put it this way. I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy but 2020 has shown me on some level because the proof is there that there are global elites chomping at the bit to take away our national sovereignty to control, to bring in their experts, fundamentally change the way that...

Western values. You heard it in the video. The way that the United States functions. Our law. Everything.

Check out this video. We had already income inequality that was fueling income, race, gender inequality. We have a climate emergency which we can't walk away from. There's no doubt that the very survival of the human race requires us to act.

Any recovery stimulus.

Should have green conditions attached to it. Energy prices should reflect real costs.

You need private sector capital, private sector ingenuity, private sector technology and private sector capabilities to come to the party. You need enormous trust between the private sector and the public sector for this to actually work.

We have to change our economy dramatically in the next 20 or 30 years and the next 10 years is absolutely decisive. The recovery has to be greener than any of the previous recoveries and in order to do that we need to ensure that the stimulus package including fiscal and monetary are much greener than they were before.

All right. So that was just a clip from a world... I mean these kinds of World Economic Forum live streams, etc. They're available all the time. They have these meetings constantly and these are some of the experts and they're talking and this is what they're saying about the plans, the globalist plans.

So check this out. The role of religion is part of the Great Reset. The role of religion is part of it. One of the things that struck me as I was looking at this, I'll be honest with you guys, do you remember that website Trusted Voices, The Church in COVID -19 or Church in Coronavirus I think is what it was called.

I remembered this when I was looking at the role of religion and I was thinking about it and just how... I don't know. There was something similar about this. I can't put my finger totally on it but some of the words that are used in these articles, some of the topics, but they're constantly churning out articles.

How religious groups and services have adapted during the coronavirus pandemic. Diversity is top of the corporate agenda. What does... doesn't that include... Why doesn't that include faith? Have a little faith at places where religion matters most.

I mean some of these are... They could be gospel coalition headlines. I mean they're kind of general but every single one of these is meant to help usher in the Great Reset. The gay imam story, the dialogue is open in Islam.

Ten years ago it wasn't. There's changes going on in Islam. You think the social justice stuff is just in Christianity? No, no. This is bigger than that and that's what I want to kind of help you see.

Sports Illustrated, swimsuit issue to feature model in Burkini. This is last year, 2019. But anyway, this is all part of something bigger. I just want you to see that there's something bigger going on.

There are global elites that do have a plan and the United States can't be exempt from that. This is a video. This is from... This is from the World Economic Forum. Yes. What is the fourth industrial revolution?

I encourage you, go watch the whole video, but I want to just play for you a clip at the end. More quickly on this disease. One of the things that I think is so essential.

To free and open societies is freedom of thought. And up until now, the conversation we've been having is around freedom of speech. Once we can access people's thoughts and access people's emotions, we have to create a space that enables people to think freely, to think divergent thoughts, to think creative thoughts.

And in a society where people fear having those thoughts, the likelihood of being able to enjoy progress is significantly diminished.

We need to take responsibility at every level of society, from the individual and the personal to the institutional to the global to adapt to these technological challenges and changes which are redefining what it means to be human, what it means to work, what it means to be completely embedded in this world.

People always ask me if I'm an optimist or a pessimist, the technology exists, but how do we get it and implement it at the scale we need at a price that people around the world can afford? Alright, let me just, I'm going to stop it there for the sake of time.

Go watch this video, What is the Fourth Industrial Revolution.

From the World Economic Forum? I wanted you to hear that we're going to have to think about creating a space for freedom of thought because basically we're going to have to make a decision whether we want to be humans or not because technology is going to blend with humanity so much that's kind of the point of this video that what are we going to do if we have the capability of reading your mind and changing your thoughts and that kind of thing.

The next interview in that, this little promo, has someone saying well we are going to have to take responsibility at every level from the individual on up. So the collective we again, we are going to have to be the ones to regulate our own thoughts?

How does this work? Do I trust the collective we to have that kind of power over me? It's part of the Great Reset. Here's a story from Fox Business. Joe Biden's disturbing connection to the socialist Great Reset movement.

A pledge by Biden to support the Great Reset would pose a grave threat to liberty and free markets in the United States. I can't read the whole thing for you right now. I'll tell you this, I am completely convinced that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, more Kamala Harris than Biden, but that they are completely hook, line and sinker sold on this kind of thing.

Absolutely sold. They are in bed with the globalists and whether they are just corrupt politicians or not, I mean they are going to, even if the motivation is for themselves personally or if it's because they are ideologues, we are going to get this one way or the other in a Biden administration.

So this explains better, this article, why Biden, why they think that Biden would back this. But he has already signaled that he would. The AOC wing of the Democratic Party, this is what they believe in.

So knowing that, hearing that, this is what concerns me. And I want to get back to, this is not the only thing that concerns me, but this is something that concerns me because I want you to think through the implications of this.

If we give up our constitution, if we go for globalist control, if we have oversight, I mean the president can make treaties, binding treaties. If we start doing, going down this road, the capacity for domination and losing our civil liberties is enormous.

If you go to China today, they have what they call a social credit score. In a lot of the urban areas, there's cameras everywhere. If you cross the street and it's not a green light, your social credit score could go down because there's facial recognition.

The cameras can see who you are. And that's the kind of, that's the system they have implemented in China to keep their citizenry in line, to keep them slaves, civil slaves of the government. And this is the kind of thing that we don't want happening here or in the Western world.

We want to keep our American way of life, our American identity, our American documents and constitution. We want to ensure that we can have an election in four years that's meaningful, where we are able to vote and actually choose our leaders.

I'm not so certain that's even going to happen. We're having rights taken away from us so quickly. The discussions about rights, I should say, are being taken away from us are happening so quickly that if the people discussing that get into power and they want to force us to have the vaccinations and we're going to have to have our little travel card or a chip or something, but something proving that we've had our vaccinations.

I mean, you let the government into that. You give them control of healthcare and then connect that to globalist elites and their thoughts on healthcare and climate change and all the rest. We're going to lose our sovereignty real quick.

Why do I bring this all up, John? Some of you, you're just trying to scare us. No, I'm not trying to scare you. I'm really not. I don't talk about this stuff much, but I'm just being personal with you.

This is what concerns me a lot more than it did before. This year has shown me what globalists really want to do. And I didn't view globalists as a huge, huge threat. I knew they were out there. Now I see more clearly what's happening.

I see that there is an alliance between the social justice progressive left and globalist elites in Europe. And I mean, I'm talking about the Soroses. I'm talking about the Gates Foundation, members of the World Economic Forum.

They want control. That's what they're after. They're after power. Everything's about power. And so that's why I think that the binary choice issue actually has changed for me, this idea that there's a binary choice.

Let's see if I can get rid of that. Because the Great Reset is a binary choice. It's a question of whether we're going to have it or not. Are we going to accept the Great Reset in the United States? And if Biden gets in and Kamala Harris gets in, we will.

I really do think that on some level. And you say, well, we have Congress maybe. Well, maybe, but how much are they going to be able to do? We, from experience, have seen Congress pretty feckless. They don't do a lot when the president oversteps the boundaries and we know Kamala Harris and Joe Biden will overstep the boundaries.

So I think that, so the binary choice is not whether or not we have Trump or Biden. The binary choice in my mind is whether we have the, it's a policy choice. Are we going to accept the Great Reset or not?

In my opinion, that may be the biggest issue of this election that's not being talked about. Are we going to go down the globalist path or are we going to stick to having the United States and being unique?

When Trump spoke, you can look it up. I probably should have queued it up to play for you, but Trump did speak at the World Economic Forum. I think it was, what, a year or two ago? And he, what he said made people very mad there because he said that, I think he cited Brexit and he said it's the time for nation states and basically stuck a needle in their eye and said, basically, I believe in not giving up national sovereignty.

We can cooperate, but we do not give up our national sovereignty. So, to me, this is a very clear, that's a clear distinction, I think, between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Trump's not going to be going down that path.

Biden will be going down that path. I understand more now, 2016, in a way, and why Trump was going after China so hard. And I can't go into all the details about China and I'm not even an expert on it, but I've done enough study to know there's a lot of globalist games going on, a lot of geopolitical things.

And Trump is, was, he saw an issue, I think, that I didn't see quite as clearly as he saw it. And that is, that was the whole America first thing, that we don't want to lose our national sovereignty. And so I'm seeing that issue as a bigger priority to me now.

And Trump, I think, is fairly, he's decent on this issue. Now, I'm a localist, so does he erode our localism? In a sense, yeah, but I think that was eroded a long time ago. I mean, I don't know how, I want to think local and act local.

I don't know exactly how to get that back. I argue for it, but I don't think that's, the pressing issue right this second is, are we going to be the United States of America or not? All right, I've waxed too long on that.

Let's go to the next one. And you can do some of that research yourself if you have questions. Just go to the World Economic Forum. I mean, they're not hiding it anymore. I think Trump did govern more conservative than expected.

Trump's Pro-Life Record and Conservative Governance

And I mean that. I think that, let's see, did I put, yeah, I want to just start with the pro-life stuff because this is one of the things that's brought up a lot is that, well, even if you do overturn Roe v. Wade, then they're just going to get abortions in the states that allow it.

And it doesn't really matter that Trump appoints conservative judges. I actually beg to differ. And I'm going to give you why. He is the first president to speak at the March for Life. And you think, oh, that's just, that's not that significant.

That's just a speech. Well, the first president? I don't know. That's definitely an encouraging thing. That tells me, because I was very concerned he wasn't going to be pro-life. One of the reasons I couldn't vote for him, I don't know if he's pro-life.

He might be lying. I don't think he's lying. And he's proven it. The GOP platform, I don't know why I put that in there twice. Anyway, the GOP platform is also pro-life. But he nominated 242 judges so far, which is like an unprecedented amount.

And he's doing better, at least with his Supreme Court picks, we can see he's doing much better than Bush did and possibly even Reagan. Not perfect, but it's, you know, he's trying to get originalists in there.

He reenacted the Mexico City policy. For those who don't know, this is basically defunding of organizations that would promote abortion overseas around the world. So our funding for relief efforts and so forth isn't going to abortion.

So this is saving babies' lives. I mean, you can't tell me that this is not. This is, you know, it's not Roe v. Wade. No, but this is important. He restricted Title X money. So money that an organization like Planned Parenthood would get basically cut off some funding for them because they perform abortions.

Other considerations. And these are more philosophical, I guess, but the allocation of pro-life resources. So pro-life organizations, if Roe v. Wade is overturned, which I don't know if it will be, I mean, this is hypothetical, but if it is, a lot of evangelicals are arguing that that doesn't really matter because it won't be.

And even if it is, it doesn't matter. But if it is, it does matter because pro-life resources will be reallocated to states in which the battle is continuing. So think about it this way. We're in all the states doing this national battle.

Well, if you can take all those resources and put them in, let's say, 13 states, you know, 20 states, then you can be more efficient. You can actually, you can overwhelm those states with pro-life advertisements and, you know, put all the resources in there.

So that's one consideration. I haven't heard anyone talk about that, but the other thing is the likelihood of the attorney general taking action against pro-life states. So if you have a state that decides, all right, we're not going to do abortion, can you imagine that under the Obama administration?