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Exploring theology, doctrine, and all of the fascinating subjects in between, broadcasting from an undisclosed location,

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Dead Men Walking starts now. Well, hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Dead Men Walking.

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I'm your host, Greg. And I'm Jason. I was going to say to my right, but you are now to my left now.

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You're messing me up. Because we have someone else in, air quotes, studio with us.

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Happy to be here. Pastor Rick Flood. It's good to be here. What's going on, brother? Hey, not much, man. Oh, yes.

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Thank you. I was trying to think of like a tagline that we could open the show with now, you know, maybe like where the points are made up, but the truth still matters or I don't know, something like that.

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All right. Is that any good or no? Sure. That means no. That means no. Gosh. The hesitation said it all.

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I know you too well, Jason, you can't hide your lies from me. I don't lie.

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That's like a two second pause. That's the same pause my wife does. She doesn't want to answer truthfully.

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You want to do what? Are these jeans too tight, honey? Skinny jeans? I want to start a podcast.

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Yeah. Right. How much is that going to cost? That's the next question. Not much. Right. No, no, no.

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No. If you never see the money, it's like it costs nothing. Just kidding, honey.

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You're listening. You're in trouble. Wow. We're already in trouble. The first two and a half minutes.

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Edit that. Yeah. Welcome to another episode of Dead Men Walking. We are actually doing our first episode on a subject that was requested by a listener.

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So we had a listener, shout out to Taylor. She reached out to me on Instagram and she said, hey, would you guys like just talk about media influence in music, meaning worship music, secular music, and kind of what worship and praise music is.

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And I've led worship before. And I know you have, Jason. I've played guitar. Yes. You've played guitar and bass.

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Bass, drum. And we've got Rick here who is a worship leader and plays music.

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And I went, man, this would be a good subject for us three to just sit around and talk about. I also love hanging out with musicians.

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It's kind of like that little club you're in. You know, it's kind of you hear stand up comics talking about being in their stand up comic club with musicians.

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It's kind of the same way. There's certain jokes and certain things. And, you know, we just have a you guys know what what my favorite court is.

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Oh, let me. Is it Jesus? Yes, it is. We like dad jokes around here, bro.

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Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Did you two just become best friends? Yes, we did. We should have shared the love.

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We should have gone for it. Do you like avocados? Really?

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It's guacamole. That's right. It was funny. A few episodes ago, he said I said something like, you know, keyboardists never get any respect.

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He just just flatly goes, yeah, as they should. They should get it. And we lost it. It was like 10 minutes of laughing because it's so true.

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You know what I mean? Oh, man. The keyboard player at Compelled, man. He gets rocking.

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Probably. It's John. Oh, man. He's like he's rocking when he's over there. Yeah. Between him and an old

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Murph dog back there. Yeah. And then he's yeah, man. Yeah. Sing hallelujah. Oh, yeah. Murphy went to if he catches if he catches eyes with you, yeah, he'll smile at you.

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Oh, yeah. It's like the sun. You glance at it. Look away.

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Jerry. Yeah. Yeah. But so, yeah, I just want to sit down and we got about an hour and talk a little bit about worship music and stuff like that.

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But Rick, why don't you give us a little bio for the listeners? Just give us a little background. Sure. How you came to the Lord. Maybe what you've been doing for the last few years.

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I know we said your worship leader, but let him hear a little bit about you. Sure. So rough upbringing.

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We'll just skip all that. And it was it was bad. But luckily I had an aunt and uncle that that really reached out to me.

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So invited me to come up and live with them. That's how I grew up in Florida. So this is how I ended up here in Michigan. And so they were kind of my uncle was a pastor.

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So obviously with the coming to live with them, had to go to church and really made a difference. That's actually where I met

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Pastor Nate. He was a youth pastor at the church where my uncle was a pastor. So that's the connection there.

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Got saved. Didn't really know what to do. Ended up. This is the cliff notes. Ended up going to Bible college for a semester.

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Which Bible? North Central Bible College. Yeah. In Minneapolis, Minnesota. OK. And to be honest, school was not my jam.

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So that it wasn't going good. No one's. I don't think. Yeah. It wasn't going good. I was studying all the time and still flunking out.

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So it was a bummer. And so Nate called me during the summer or right before the summer and said, hey, why don't you come intern with me?

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He had just planted. It was Bedford Christian Community then. Sure. 20 something years ago. And so interned and have never left.

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So did some correspondence, things like that for credentialing. So started as youth pastor then and did that for 10 years.

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And then after about 10 years, then we had a transition for worship ministry. He invited me to to jump in on that.

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I literally knew like three songs. It was amazing. I learned the guitar. We went on a trip to Germany on a missions trip.

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And so I learned Lord, I lift your name on high. Classic. Sure. Yeah. We played that. We only went to senior homes in Germany.

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So we played Lord, I lift your eye in every half hour home in Berlin is over and over again.

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We're not. And they had no idea what we were saying. You know, I mean, we're just singing syllables to them, you know, and so.

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So that was my breakthrough moment, man. It was pretty cool. You probably loved it. I did. Well, you know,

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I signed a few autographs. Yeah, there you go. I'm not gonna lie. So you're gonna cut your teeth and worship music dude in front of Germans who can't understand that.

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It's the best, you know. Wow. My favorite is when they would just fall asleep and he'd be like, yeah,

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I guess we'll do it again. I don't know. So. Oh, that song, man.

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Every everyone in my youth group knew that song, man. You learn that first thing on the guitar. Yeah.

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Yeah. I knew that one. And then. Oh, that's it. Yeah. And then I also learned a shout to the

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Lord was also in the mix. Those go back to back. I just. So is that in E as well? Like, could you just just go

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E, B, A? So I actually, I went for G. I was in G because they were the easiest. Yeah.

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Gsus was there. You had the anointing right there. Yeah. It was.

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It was powerful. It was some powerful moments. That's awesome. I can never quite get that key change and shout to the Lord that always went bad, you know.

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Yeah. Such a moment. I blew it every time. I. So what about your.

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Like, when did you start playing music? Like, how did that start as a kid or later in life or what? No, I've. I've been playing music for probably about 12 years, honestly.

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So it was in student ministry. I just had to, you know, as a youth pastor, like a guitar. I'm like,

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I got to learn how to do that for campfires and stuff, camping trips. And so just picked it up and started, you know, kind of messing around with it.

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No way. Got kind of pushed into it was good because, you know, like I was that classic, like, yeah,

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I'll learn the guitar and then you learn a few chords. You kind of put it down. Sure. And so me then learning a few more songs and then being asked to lead worship in front of you was like,

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I probably got to learn what I'm doing here, you know, so. That's a big step. Yeah. It was intimidating. And then leading a whole band.

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Yeah. I had no idea what I was doing. No idea. Still could be argued that I don't, honestly,

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I'm like, no, it's good job guys, you know, pretty rocket in there, man. The first time I ever got asked to do that, like in front of,

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I think it was in front of Well, actually the very first time I ever played on a worship team, I was 12 and I played the drums and I'd had one lesson.

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So I'd been playing on my own and then took one lesson and then the pastor that gave me one lesson was like, I can't do it anymore,

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I'm busy, whatever. And that was strange. But the first time I ever asked to play piano,

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I felt like a total fraud because I go, you guys just know I play chords, right? Like, like I had, you know, when

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I was younger, I'd memorize that classical piano, some Bach movements, you know, saber dance for my recital.

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Like these were intricate 50 page pieces that I would practice for six months and then playing one time.

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And I was like, I'm not good enough to lead. And then I realized, oh, we all just play chords basically.

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I'm still playing the same way I did when I was 14, you know, obviously that's a simplification a little bit.

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But it was, it was really strange to me when, when someone asked me to do that. And even from a young age,

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I knew it was sacred. Does that make sense? Because I grew up and we've talked about on the podcast before,

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I grew up from, from a young age until about 14 and a pretty legalistic background.

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So I actually had youth pastor sit me down and say, hey, we heard you're playing, You Put That Love In My Heart by Keith Green.

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And he's part of the Christian contemporary music movement. And that's like Satan music. And then I get up, you know, this is when

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I was like 13, then you get a little older, I read No Compromise by Keith Green. It's like the best book in the world. Like I want to be this dude. I just love the

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Lord, had a heart, you know. But because he sounded like Billy Joel a little bit in the 70s, you know, so I had a real weird thing with music anyway, growing up.

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And then, you know, this music's bad. I mean, anyone who grew up in the 80s, though, we had this weird thing where it was like kiss means nights and satanic service and ACDC is against Christ and devil's companions and cabbage patch kids has spirit.

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And it was just a very weird kind of like every secular thing had a Satan thing when in fact,

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I'm not saying go out and listen to ACDC, Freddie, when you're listening. Yes, you are. It's condoned.

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Let it be known. Podcast listeners. But I'm saying at the same time, we can separate to music and chords and beats and things and not just label them as satanic, because I really struggled with that.

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I've said it before. I sat down with Jason Upton back when he was playing for 50 people. And I said, hey, is music neutral?

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Like is music itself? If I sit down and play Jerry Lee Lewis, Great Balls of Fire on the piano with no words, are those actual chords and rhythms?

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Are those evil? Because I was taught they were like, man, if it's too jumpy or too, you know, and it was a really struggle for me.

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And then going into my early 20s and going, oh, no, like the arts and music belong to the

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Lord. General Simpson, he was a famous preacher in the 1800s. He has a quote in it. I paraphrase it, but he basically says, does the devil own the chord in the in the note and the beat?

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I hope not, because we will go down to hell and plunder it and take it back because it's been created for the Lord. And then realizing everything you do, like Paul says, you do it onto the glory of God.

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Right. So my paradigm, the way I looked at it really shifted for me in my early 20s of music isn't inherently good or evil, but it can be used like anything else.

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The context. The context. For good or evil. And I don't even know how we got on that subject already.

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I'm already going off. So that was that was kind of that was kind of one of the things that the listener asked to was like, like, what defines good music a

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Christian should be listening to? What defines, you know, stuff they should stay away from? Do you guys have any thoughts on that?

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Yeah. I mean, they were looking at Jason, but either way, take that theological question and break it down.

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Here we go. Here we go. Well, actually, guys, in Psalm 35 to. No, I'm joking. Yeah. I mean, music is math, you know.

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And I mean, really, there's there's so many ways about drums. Yeah, exactly. Just numbers.

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You know, you can listen to the the instrumental just like you just said.

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Yeah. But when you start throwing the lyric on top of it, that's where it gets skewed. But I mean, sometimes

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I just I want to just say music is music, you know, instead of categorizing secular

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Christian, you know, world music. Right. You know, like like it, I don't know, gets into some gray areas because it's just like,

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OK, so then is, you know, is a certain type of music. I don't know.

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It only comes out of Western Europe, so we can only call it right now. X. Yeah. Yeah.

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You know, it's like, OK, so let's let's stop categorizing certain things. But it I mean, but then again, when you throw the lyric on top, yeah, well,

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I think that's the big difference. A little difficult. I think worship and praise really has to do more with the music to where secular music has to do really with the lyric.

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Not that praise and worship. Believe me, you read some of those old hymns and some of these worship songs we have now.

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I mean, the words are absolutely beautiful. And of course, they elicit a response and emotion. But I but I sometimes feel the the lyric for secular music is really what's important there.

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I don't know. And especially the music that's coming out now on the top 40s. If we read some of those lyrics and read some of the titles,

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I mean, my gosh, you know, it's it's crazy. Some of those songs, especially the one that's number one right now.

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Yeah. I can't believe it's on the airwaves whatsoever. Are you talking about WAP? Yes. I mean, it's it's incredibly just disgusting.

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Yeah. It's a measuring stick for our culture. Oh, man. It's it really is. Yeah. It's really sad. I think it's interesting, too.

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So I have I have so 20 to 16 in my house as far as kids right now, you know, and so 20 kids.

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No. I just had a minor heart attack when you said that. I think

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I was passed out 20 years old, a 16 year old, to clarify. Yeah. Wow. You're in the thick of the culture.

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We believe, hey, until the quiver is full. How many quivers do you have? Never mind.

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Are you reformed? Can we edit that? He's reformed. Keep it going. There we go.

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Well, going to the Lord says no. No, I was shocked. All three of them. Again? Okay.

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All right. So but I got this age span because obviously they're they have an understanding of what's going on in the world as far as music and things like that, you know, friends, culture, all that kind of stuff.

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They're in the mix. And so what I find really interesting, because I would agree with everything you said, is that music alone is so that everybody who's producing that music, whether they recognize or not, that gifting comes from the

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Lord. Right. I mean, God gives them that gifting. Yep. Now they can use that gifting for other purposes and things.

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But so there's that context with it. And so at the very basis of it, like creating that music really is, it's a gift of the

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Lord to even be able to do that. And then context takes it too far. And what's interesting to me is that I think

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I'm on the same page as you is it's the lyric. A lot of this stuff that my kids listen to, sometimes

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I'm hearing it and I'm like, you know, we have those conversations like, man, it's like so depressing.

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That's what I think. Yeah. The genre that they like. You know what I mean? Sure. It's so depressing. And so like, like, poor me and everything's horrible and all that.

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Lethargic and. Yeah. And it just then it like it gets into their heads. And now they're looking at their lives going, yeah, my life is horrible too.

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And I'm like, what about your life is horrible? You know? And so it really does. That lyric,

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I think, is the separation that then influences how you think because you can't, you can't dwell on that.

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It would be the same thing we would say about the Word of God. You dwell on the Word of God, it's going to produce itself in your life.

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You dwell on these other things. That's what's going to produce it. That your mentality, your thinking. And so that's where we get in trouble with it.

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Yeah. And music is absolutely can be used as a weapon both for good and bad. I mean, you look at the

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Israelites, that's who they put up front when they were going into battle and the praise and worshipers. And then

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I have this weird thing where I go, the one being and the divine counsel of all the angels and of God himself, the one being that thought he could challenge

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God was the one that was made up of beautiful music. So it gives you, you can just see how powerful of a weapon that can be used.

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It can produce a pride, it can produce a depression, it can, you know, produce all these different emotional responses, which then can turn into physical acts.

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And it's such a powerful thing that, you know, when we sit here and joke about, you know, like we're joking about ACDC or praise and worship music, like it needs to be taken seriously.

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I'm not saying live in some form of legalism, but it is a powerful weapon that does need to be handled correctly.

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Just like you're saying between 16 and 20, those are prime years too. I mean, I got mine that are, well, going to be at 11, nine and six.

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And it's like, I just try to pump as much praise and worship into, you know, some of the troll soundtrack comes through and some of the frozen stuff comes through.

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And we monitor that and watch that. But the ultimate goal I feel for music is to bring glory to God, just like anything else in my life.

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I don't think music is any different. My job, my relationships, when I eat, drink, whatever you do, do it all into the glory of God, the

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New Testament says. So I think music is that same thing. But I also think music needs to be handled very cautiously because I think it is a little more potent than the food

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I'm eating and doing that under the glory of God versus music. And you are so right with, gosh, sometimes

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I'll just pop into like my Apple or I think I have music on Amazon unlimited or Spotify, one of those.

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And I'll just go, what's, you know, what's on the top 40 just to check in. And I can't listen to it from, you know,

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I'm also old, so, you know, you just like, where's my stuff, you know, from the 80s and 90s. But it's just horrible music.

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I mean, just lyrically and it's depressing and it's, and you go, oh my gosh, if I was a kid that my brain's forming, you know,

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I'm 13, 14, 15, you know, now they say neuroscientists say our brains aren't even fully formed until 27.

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And I'm just pumping this into my mind. I can understand why things like depression and suicide and all these things are at an all time high right now because they're very influential.

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And I think we can see how much music can be used as a weapon because it's so used by people who want to influence culture.

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I mean, you can literally influence an entire culture by a song. I mean, it's not just the last five, 10, 20 years.

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I mean, you go back to the Vietnam, you know, no war, all peace. I mean, they used music for their movement.

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So it's something. I mean, you think about, I mean, songs that are played in arenas. I mean, you know, songs that are played.

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I don't know. I mean, even just at shows where people are just like, either moshing.

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Right. Yeah. Like there's a certain kind of force that comes behind some of that, some of those songs, you know, and some, you know, and, and I mean, there are, there are

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Christian bands that actually do have a mushing. Yeah, right. Right. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's in the Holy Ghost though.

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It's anointed. He sent me a link to what, who was it? Was that called Mark Luther's hammer?

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Oh yeah. Christian punk rock screamo. They were like, what? They were reformed. Yeah. And he sends it to me and I'm like, and I listened to the first 10 seconds.

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I can't do that. I can do a lot of genres. I mean, I go from country to rap to classical.

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I can do a lot of genres. I can't do screamo. I can't do the, I just can't do it. Melodically just hurts my head.

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August Burns Red. And yeah, there's, there's a ton of them out there. And I was kind of iffy on rap. And then I got into like Shy Lynn and Timothy Brindle and I'm getting straight preached, you know, and I, and my wife's still not fully on board.

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She's like, I don't really understand Christian rap. And I'm like, yeah, but I'm, you know, it's, it's kind of in that gospel theme too, to where I listened to a lot of gospel because I like to worship and praise, and I also like to get a sermon.

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Like you listened to some, some really good gospel singers, you know, they got the choir going in the background and they're straight preaching to me.

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And I, I kind of like that too. And that's kind of how I feel about some of that Christian rap as well. Like I said, wife, not fully on board with it, but.

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It takes a while. It takes, stick with it. Right. Right. It's great for the treadmill. You know what I mean? When I can listen to a song, it gets you pumped up.

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I'm running and I don't have to worry about any of the, the, the nastiness and unholiness and all that of, of secular rap, but instead

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I'm getting taught about the hyperstatic union. I mean, Shilin, hypostatic, excuse me.

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Did I say hyper last time? Yeah. You said hyper last time too. I was like, I was listening. I was like. Hypo.

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Great. Jeez. It's going to affect our viewership. All 12 people.

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So I know right in, I have this 12 now I thought it was seven. Cool. It's going to jump considerably.

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Yes, it is. By, by four, we,

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I, we did have, we have a episode coming out next week with the cross politic guys that we pre -recorded and I told a joke on there and it fell so flat with four guys over there, two guys over here, they'd called in,

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I say a joke and it's just complete silence. It was funny though. I left it in. I was like, we got to leave that in.

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I look at Jason. He's in student. Didn't even laugh. He was like, I was, I was looking at my phone. I was looking at my phone at some notes or something to say next.

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And, and like Greg said something and it was totally quiet. I was like, what just happened? Oh, I'm sorry.

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The joke was so bad. The silence jerked you out of like whatever you were, took you out of your.

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Hey, the only recovery from moments like that is just to go. Welp. You gotta welp it.

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If you welp it, you're good. Welp. Yeah. If I was paying attention, see you later. Killer boots, man.

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Yeah. So, so it's very important. So what has your experience has been with, uh, worship music in general?

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Like, uh, I don't know. What are you like personally? What are you, what are you drawn to and attracted to? Cause I, I find when you lead, it's very different than what your private, well, not very different, but can be very different than what your private time kind of worship is like, what's the dichotomy there?

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So, um, so a lot of times, so I'll, I listen to all kinds of worship music. Um, uh, like personally.

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Okay. Um, so it is, it is drastically different, but here's the reason why I'm going to get off philosophical on it.

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So the reason why it's different is because for me, I approach what I'm going to sing corporately. I kind of try to filter it through some things.

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Um, so by nature, I like, I like all these songs that are like taught using like flowery terms and trees and rivers and you know what

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I mean? I think it's cool. I like the nature. I like, you know how some of the stuff is very, uh, maybe intimate terminology with the

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Lord, you know? And I think it's cool, but I also recognize that when I get up on the weekends to lead worship that I got for our community, there's a lot of blue collar men sitting in those seats.

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And so I try to filter like, are they going to say those, are they going to feel comfortable singing those words out?

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Cause there's already a hurdle trying to get people to enter into worship, you know, on the, on those sides of things. And so, so when

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I choose to do things corporately, I mean, obviously I look at theologically, I don't want to do anything that's off or, you know, or whatever, but I also filter it through that like is, is the guy that's on the line at Jeep during the week going to walk in and actually want to say these words, you know?

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Sure. And there's a fine line there sometimes. Cause I do think that you have to, I want to respect that, but at the same time, so much of our relationship with the

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Lord, there is an intimacy there that you have to step into as well. That has to go a little deeper. And so that's hard to do though, too, as a worship leader, because you kind of like to do the stuff that you connect with exactly.

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And you got to sacrifice that to then say, is that going to be right for corporate worship though? Right? Yeah. There, there are songs that, that I do corporately that I'm like, you know what

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I mean? I'm like, oh, I don't do this one again. Yeah. You know, or, oh, I just had, I did never like it, but sometimes

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I do watch songs that really take off, you know, cause now we worship has a whole new breakthrough on radio, you know what

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I mean? There's a popularity to it. So I do watch songs that everybody starts doing. And at times I, I will grab those because, um, it's an easy, um,

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I guess it's an easy draw for people cause they hear on the radio, they know what they're familiar with it when they walk in and stuff like that, you know?

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Um, but it is funny. So I really, I, like you mentioned Jason Upton, like I love Jason Upton, man.

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I don't know what he's doing half the time or where he's at, but it's amazing. You know what I mean? I'm like, yeah, I'll go with you. And one song

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I used to listen to and he's like, I whistle in the wind. And then he just whistles for like 15 minutes. And I'm like, this is amazing.

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That's anointed. Yeah. I'm like, no clue what's happening, but I love it, you know? Yeah. And so, um, so I like that.

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I, I kinda, um, like style wise, I kind of do kind of like some of that, like folky style,

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New York stuff, you know? Um, but I, I don't know how to quite play that out on the weekend so much.

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I've been in Joe. I do like the fact that, uh, there's kind of a popularity coming back of, uh, of older hymns and they're kind of reworked because I love that because some of the words are so powerful and those

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I've been into, uh, Shane and Shane. Oh yeah. You guys did those new albums with all the songs and you're like, man, these words.

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And, but at the same time, sometimes just because something is like older, we can kind of like put it on a pedestal and go,

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Oh, it's better. And it's like, you gotta realize that those songs were just old pubs. So they took the tunes of like old pub songs and then put words to it.

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And the Puritans were like, I can't believe these young reformers and these young Protestants singing these secular, you know, like amazing grace was not a cool hip song.

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It was kind of frowned upon because they're taking the tune from a secular, you know, bar song and then putting words.

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And so I've kind of relaxed on that a little bit. Cause I used to be even up to five, six years ago. I was like, it has to be these songs.

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This words has to glorify God. And then you're like, yeah, but at the same time, like that's what, that's what hymns were 200 years ago, where these, they were, they were the top 40 of today's.

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Yeah. What's really interesting to me too, is that, you know, so like this, I'm getting older, like I'm in my forties now.

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Right. So I'm almost, I'm almost gone, but, uh, I'm almost,

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I'm sorry. I didn't mean to bring my own issues in. I'm sorry. Almost dead. Well, go ahead. Let's talk about it.

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So anyways. Uh, so what's interesting to me though, is what I've noticed is, um, new music that's coming out in worship is, uh, it's not all my favorite and sure.

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Sure. Someone at first I was like, oh, this, this is weird. You know, blah, blah, blah. And then I started dawning on me. Like, wait a second.

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Maybe it's generationally, you know? Like, because I, so for me, when I first started leading worship, um,

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I connected with worship music that was going on then, but there was something to say. I don't know if you remember Darryl Evans.

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Do you remember Darryl? I know the name. So like trade my sorrows. Uh, uh, my

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God reigns is another one. He did, you know, so he did your love is extravagant. I don't even remember these. So like he comes out and that was right when

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I first started playing the guitar and singing, and it was just so good. And so like acoustic rock guitar driven, you know what

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I mean? It wasn't like, do you remember Ron Canoli? Do you remember these names? Oh, he is like big band and like horns.

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He'd like hit it. And his gospel, you know, it was like, oh, really? Oh yeah, man. What's his name?

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Ron Canoli. It's good stuff. It's good stuff. So I'm going to check that out. So that was kind of, you know, Hosanna praise.

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It was like, it was like big and polished. And then Darryl Evans comes out and it's just like him with a really raw, raspy voice and acoustic guitar.

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And I'm like, that's amazing. But it wasn't like, not everybody loved that. You know what

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I'm saying? And so, but I thought it was amazing. And then it was like, I don't know. I kind of had some discernment going.

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Like, I think that's where I'm at right now, where I have a genre that I love and lean to. And there's a, there's a new form of genre, so to speak, coming out.

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And so I'm challenged by... What's the kids listen to? No, that's it, man. That's it. Honestly, I'm challenged by that.

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Those nerds rock and roll. Those kids are wrecking our guitars. We're wrecking our, yeah. It is very cultural though, and generational.

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It's very interesting, you know. Because you're kind of shaped by that. Like I said, music can, you know, shape a culture.

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And I think you grow up, well, I mean, that's just, look, I hear a song from the early to mid nineties and I'm instantly taken back to my high school kind of formative, you know what

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I mean, days. Amy Grant. Oh. That's all. Kyla Paris and Amy Grant was all we listened to, you know.

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Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith. We'd be crying in here. That's true. Mesa bass. Friends are friends forever.

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Oh my gosh. You know, that was, that was a, that was like a skate night classic for us.

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Roller skating around, friends are friends forever. But yeah, no, it's very generational. I mean, it's with everything else.

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I mean, even in, when I was working for a fortune 500 company, we literally got sent to training to understand the different generations just because in work they respond differently.

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And I think in music it's, it's the same way I always look at new worship music and I go, and really it's like the, the, the, uh, uh, the instruments involved really don't bother me.

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I want to make sure that it's theologically and doctrinally sound and it's, and it's bringing glory to God because I've had a lot of people, my, um,

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I don't know, it bothers me when they're like, Oh, you know, I didn't get a lot out of worship. I didn't get a lot out of the sermon.

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And it's like, well, yeah, it's not, we're not there for you. Uh, I'm there to glorify God. Bothers me too.

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I'm with you, man. Yeah. I mean, and it's like, you know, anytime you're putting your, your duty and your sanctification in your, in your worship on the pastor or the worship pastor, it's like, uh, that's, that's never going to end well.

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Cause that's not their job. Their job is to usher in and lead. And then, you know, our job is to glorify and bless the

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Lord. And the by -product of that is I get extremely blessed from that. Like I don't go there looking to be blessed.

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I look to bless. And because I do that, I've never, if you ever go into a church or a small group, or even if you're sitting around with your buddies and you're worshiping the

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Lord and you come with the heart of, I want to bless and honor his name. I don't think I've ever walked away from that.

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Not feeling blessed and honored myself. Yeah. Right. I went through that for a little while, the, the me gospel, you know, um, uh, you know, and where, where I was just always wanting the blessing, you know, for a, for a minute.

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Yeah. And, uh, I realized, wow, this is, this is so wrong. I think the

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Holy spirit just, just tapped my heart. Just, just a little prick, you know, it was like, wait, is that what he called you?

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Goodness. Oh yeah. Pretty much. Hey, there you go.

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Yes, he did. He speaks to everybody in a very personal way, but you know, there was, there was a moment where I, you know,

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I mean, I, I really dipped, dipped my toe into, uh, the NAR, New Amistolic Restoration stuff.

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And, uh, I mean, yeah, it was, it was all about my breakthrough, what

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I could get. It was, you know, you go into prosperity preaching with that. You go into, uh, yeah, anyway, on down the line, but yeah,

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I mean, whenever you're just praising God, it just feels so much better where it's just like,

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I'm just singing a song for you. It doesn't matter how it sounds, you know? Cause I'm not, I'm not the best singer, you know?

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So, you know, it's like, it's like, man, this is all just about Christ. Yeah. I love that. You know, did you hear the new worship song that Bethel just came out during their grave soaking?

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Is this a joke? This is what they play. It's X files.

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Just laugh. It's a bad joke. Yes. You got this. You got these guys.

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I want to push buttons. I didn't know there was buttons. Oh, we got all kinds of buttons.

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That was amazing. No, but yeah, but you're so you are right about that. Oh yeah, man. Uh, 100 gospel.

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You gotta stay away from that. It's just tough because it's like, yeah, the Lord does want to bless you and he does love you and he does take care of you and you read

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Isaiah and then you listen to Jesus and he goes, dude, that Sparrow has to rely on God every single day for his meal and he takes care of it.

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How much more does he love you? So anytime you start talking about that, we're not saying that God doesn't love you or doesn't want good things for you.

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And we are adopted into his family as sons and daughters. But at the same time, I think we just have to prioritize, you know, because it is very easy to go from, uh,

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God first to me first. It can flip real fast. Sometimes it's within minutes for me. Like I just sit down halfway through the day and I go, what am

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I doing? It today has been all about me when in fact it has to be all about God. Uh, and I think worship is, is the same way.

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Um, I heard, you know, uh, I heard, uh, it was like a leadership teaching on like kind of church organization, but the idea transfers and the teaching was, this is that there's, there's problems to solve and then there's tensions to manage.

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And it just talked about, um, you know, sometimes you're not going to fix that, but you have to manage it through life.

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And I think this, this is one of those because you like, there is something about coming to church and going, oh man,

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I need this, right? Like there's, I mean, that's legit and real and great. That's why we go to church because we do need the fellowship with the encouragement, all those things.

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But I think at some point to manage that tension that it has to transition from, uh, like I need,

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I need to get something to then realizing like, all right, if in order for me to get something, then

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I'm going to have to give something. And normally it's, it's my agenda, my desire.

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Oh yeah. You know, and it's that opening up that then to go like, all right. So, because the, the,

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I need this usually is like a punch list that we have for God. Usually that's kind of on that. Uh, but we have to get away from that and realize that it's just God that we need.

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And then the punch list will take care of itself in a sense, you know? But that's a hard thing to do. If you don't get past that, then you just come in and you go, well, that didn't quite do it for me.

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You know, I must need more or, or they weren't anointed or they would. Yeah.

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Yeah. And it goes into the workspace gospel. It goes. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. No. Yeah. And I wasn't saying that you don't come to church and need things either.

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It's like, absolutely. Yeah. Because after a while you, I mean, in this, this, the whole point of sanctification is you want to be in the presence of God and you understand that, uh, that there are good things in the presence of God.

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Uh, I have a mother that, uh, we'll just, you know, she'll say something and go, well, got to go in my closet for a little bit and talk to God about it.

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And I need that 20 minutes or that half hour today. And I go, man, I want to get to that point too, to where it's like that communion with God.

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You be, you get used to it. Um, and you want more of it. Yeah. Uh, you know, when, when, when

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God gets in, I don't want to sound like he can fix all your problems, but he can like, not, not necessarily the way you think, right.

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That, that, like you said, like releasing your agenda, uh, because I've, I've been taught, uh, God has taught me a few times when

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I've come to him with, Hey, I need this, this, and that, and he goes, well, the reason you're asking for it or the way you want it done is not my will.

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Like, we're going to get to that, but you got to release that agenda and, you know, and then we can, we can do them my way.

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So, uh, you know, worship and coming to church, I think is just what you said is like, just how even we're taught to pray, like the very first thing, like not your will be done or my will be done, but your will be done.

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I feel like when we approach praise and worship like that, uh, I think it can be very beneficial and it kind of pushes that punch list, as you called it, to the side.

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Deny yourself and pick up your cross. I think, uh, yeah, I think that sometimes we think the answer is

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God doing something when really the answer always is, is God, really it stops there.

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And then if he does something like your will be done on earth, you know, but not my own or like, like Jesus, I don't want to do this, but you know, let this cup pass for me, but your will be done.

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And those moments of that, like that moment, like wrestling with what's going on in your life, it's one of those things where like, you go, all right,

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I just want God and then God, how you see fit to handle the other things is up to you and I'll accept that.

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That's a very hard place to be. Like, I wish I was there all the time, but I am not, you know, there's times like,

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I mean, right, like as the worship leader, there's times where I'm up there and I'm like, Oh my goodness. You know what

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I mean? The, whatever, you know, life has, has presented and that week or whatnot, you know, and, and it's in those moments where you just got to go like, all right,

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I really got to believe that, that God is enough. And if this circumstance doesn't change, that doesn't mean that God was not good in that moment or is not faithful to me or present.

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It's that life is unfortunately broken and we live through these things, but thank, thank God he's there with me as I walked through it, you know, at least

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I've got him going through it. And, um, that goes to like what you're saying, that prosperity, prosperity where, you know, nothing bad should happen to us, everything should be perfect.

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You know, all these things and prosperity, health, wealth, gospel. Yeah. But then you're totally surprised.

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Uh, your eschatology is, uh, the, uh, the world's going to hell in a handbasket. Yeah. Yeah.

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That's Conor Dix. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Hey, that's, that's a postmortem guy talking.

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So like, if you're, you're, you're basically saying, yeah, if you're like kind of a health and wealth and everything, you're like, Oh man,

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I'm supposed to have everything in this line. You're like a pre -tribber kind of, but then you're a pretty Yeah. It's like, well, wait, that's, that's, you know,

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I don't know that that's probably one of the easiest ones for me to debunk is the, is, is the health and wealth.

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It's like, why would Christ promise you? The one thing that he said would ruin your soul. I mean, really like, like let's pump the brakes here.

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Yes. He, he wants you to, you know, uh, he loves you and he wants the best for you.

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But I think John Piper said it so well, he's like in Job 40, I think it was or 38, like, like you afflicted me so that I would know your precepts.

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Like David would sing this in the Psalms as well too. And Piper said it so beautifully. He said, basically don't ever,

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I don't ever want to pray myself out of a valley before I've basically glorified him through a valley.

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Like there's, there's something in there that he's doing with us in those times, like in our weakness, he's made strong, you know, and, and I've said it before.

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I've learned now, it took me a long time to learn this, but you know, when I'm in a valley, the first thing

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I pray is Lord, get me out of this valley. It's like, Lord, how can, how can I be changed and how can you be glorified in this? Uh, and I'll tell you what, that really helps me through that when it, when it goes back to him and go, okay,

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I'm in, I'm in this situation or I'm in this valley or whatever, or I'm in this sadness or depression or whatever it is.

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Like, don't take me out of it. Like, I feel like sometimes you jump right to that Lord, get me out of it. And it's like, Oh no, through this process is where his glory is going to be made known in, in my weakness is shown and his strength is shown, uh, in, in praise and worship has definitely helped me through that.

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I mean, there's been times where it's like, I don't even know what to pray or what to do. I just get on that piano, clear out the room and I just got to worship and whatever flows out.

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And that's very therapeutic. And I feel like, you know, for me, it's, it's a real, it's, it's a real thing to be in his presence in, in worship and in praise for me, even more so like, yeah,

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I can pray, uh, and, and, and meditate. But man, when I, when I worship him in song, even if I'm not by a piano, sometimes you just catch me singing to my, my 11 year old caught me singing.

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Uh, there's a song by, uh, what's by Shane and Shane and they do it live and it's, he is worthy and it's a call and response.

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Oh yeah. Yeah. Do we know that it is right. And, and there's a part halfway through that song where he's like, he is, they start building up.

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He is, he is, you know, and I'm parked over here and I'm just belting it out. Right. And I had this thought like, man, someone's going to come out here.

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Like my neighbor, my windows are up, but I'm singing it. Cause I love that song here. See a knock and my daughter's looking at me like everything.

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Okay. Gosh, dad, is everything okay? You know, but you know, I felt to get mom, I felt just spoke to me.

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He's like, you want to watch? She's going to see you singing that like, at least she's seeing that, uh, you know, cause, uh, heaven forbid,

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I know some, uh, kids that see their parents doing some way worse stuff than, than that.

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Listening to DC talk. Well, listen, I did show them a cover of Thunderstruck where it's all these guys doing banjo.

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Oh yeah. Have you ever seen this video? It's they're amazing. I can't remember the guy is doing a, you know, in the, that's my banjo on a, on a banjo and they've got the horn and the,

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I thought you pushed a button and we're playing and, uh, it was funny because then my wife gives me the eyebrow, you know, there's no, no, no bad lyrics in or anything, but musically it's just phenomenal that they took it.

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And they, I love when you take a song that shouldn't be played with certain instruments and then do it well. And then, you know, I love the guy on bagpipes.

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That's I think he's on the bag. No, no, no. It's accordion. Different. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. I haven't seen like I live under a rock.

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I haven't seen that. No, I'm just, I'm too, uh, I'm too busy praying.

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Listen to DC talk. You hear my Bible and stuff. We call that a

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Jesus. Duke. But yeah.

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Having that conversation. Well, what does that mean? Thunderstruck? What is that dad? And it's like, Oh, great. And, but we've taken a very open approach, uh, with, with raising kids to just with like, with music, with culture, like anyone who has kids and you do, we all do here, they pick up a lot.

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Don't treat them like they're dumb because they know what's going on. They're listening. They're sponges. Right. So we've kind of,

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Samantha and I have taken this approach of like, well, what do you want to talk about? Like they know it all.

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Um, they're not going to be shocked by the culture. They're going to have a foundation in Christ and a presupposition of like the

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Bible is true and, and God has designed people a certain way and all these things.

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So when they are confronted with that, when they get a little bit older, they're gonna go, Oh no, that's not tracking because the

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Bible says this and we have a worldview of that. And you know, I kind of didn't grow up that way.

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It was very kind of keep them away from that. And I think it was a little bit of the culture too. I'm not blaming my parents. It was like an era of like this

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Jerry Falwell, kind of like, uh, let's not talk about, let's not talk about it. Everything's bad shelter, your kids.

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And then I go, you know, I'm homeschooled for most of my life. I go to high school in my first year, junior year. And it's like, Whoa, a whole new world.

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It's like, you know what I mean? I'm walking around like, what the heck is all this stuff? You know, if kids talk to teachers that way and they listen to this music and they're doing that, you know, after school and it's like, and I wasn't exposed to anyone and it's, it was culture shock.

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Yeah, it really was. It was very easy for then me to slip into the things that I shouldn't have been into.

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And I know that sounds counterintuitive. No, I totally get it. Yeah. Like I see it a lot with like PK kids, like pastor kids too, like very shelter.

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And then you get in the world, you're like, Whoa. And I think that's why Jesus said, look at be in the world, but just not of it. Like you gotta know what's going on in the culture, you know, like, like how else are you going to transform it, you know, transform it, preach against it.

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Like correct and love, like all those things you, you gotta know what's going on. We just can't put, you know, put our head in the sand or, you know, go buy a hundred acres in the

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UP and start a comedy. You guys got to be post. Can we get into the last three weeks?

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He's been into this post mill stuff. Look, it's been over a year that I've been post mill.

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I've been undecided on the whole thing. I've always said the end times eschatology for me is like secondary until it starts affecting the way that you, that you live out your gospel life.

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Look, man, I reserve the right to change my eschatology either in midair or Joe Biden becomes president.

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That's I think there's so much in the Bible about how to live now. And then we're fighting about how to live then.

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And I'm like, what does it matter, man? You know, you know, you know what my end times eschatology was for the longest time.

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I'm like every single generation since Stephen, the martyr said, Christ is coming back tomorrow.

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And they live that way. It's didn't matter if it was a thousand years, 10 ,000 years or one week. They lived as if tomorrow would not have.

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We're living in the end times right now. I don't know if you knew that or not. COVID is the end time. World War One, World War Two.

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You know, I mean, all these, you know, this is Hitler. I mean, yeah, this is the one. Well, that's what I mean. Every generation has had their end times.

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And it's like, well, I think at the end, I don't know how we got an end times on a praise. Sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry.

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We barely talked about music. It's cool, though. It's totally good. I told you. I'm digging it.

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We try to go. Every generation has that. Right. That's like, I don't know if I totally track with like the world's got to get a lot worse before Christ can return, because I'm like, man, sin has always been here.

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Like 2000 years ago, Rome was taking Christians, slicing their backs off. Sewing bear skin on them and making them fight lions like we've we've sacrificed babies at the altar.

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Now we do it in the womb. It's like the spirit of murder and sin and all the things have always been here.

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I think we look at it differently. You know, it's for a while there. It was glorified. Then we moved into this weird thing where it was like we do it in secret.

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But we as a culture, we don't really talk about it publicly. Now we're moving back into that. It's just hey, it's all open.

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And I don't know if one is worse than the other. But at the same time, I don't think I think sin, you know, since the fall has always been here.

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So we've been you know, we've been taking innocent all the six abominations, we've taken innocent blood stealing, you know, all of it, all that stuff since.

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So you're Amil. Oh, my gosh. You know, what's interesting? I don't know.

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I somebody told me about a book and I listened to the audio. I didn't I can't claim

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I read it, but it was called Killing Jesus. One of those two. I said I read a book. And my wife corrected me and said, you listen, I'm not allowed to say

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I'm not allowed to say the content. I do both. So but it was called Killing Jesus.

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Who's that by? Pat O 'Reilly. I've heard that. Okay. So. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Honestly, it's fascinating because he's

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Bill O 'Reilly. Bill O 'Reilly. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. Change that in the notes.

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And so but what was fascinating about it to me was that so, you know, from what I understand, he has a

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Catholic background. So there's he's a faith background, you know, a religious background. But he doesn't write the book as like he's trying to prove that Jesus is the son of God or anything like that.

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He's basically taking like a worldview context of what was going on when Jesus was on the earth.

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Yeah. And so the fascinating thing about it is, is that the world was trashed, like the things that were happening, you know, historically.

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Yeah. What was going on? And it was a real eye opener to what you're saying. And like, I'm listening to this and and what the leaders are doing and, you know, all this stuff.

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And then Jesus is is right in the middle of it. And the interesting thing is that Jesus is not necessarily specifically addressing the things that are going on, like he is addressing sin and your heart and where it's at and those types of things.

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But where we would we would want Jesus to organize a rally against that leader and march the street, you know,

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I'm saying like this whole thing. Yeah. And Jesus didn't do any of that stuff. Did none of it. None of it.

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And then in the same time is then we're like, well, the world's never been this bad. That's just because you don't know the history.

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Because, yeah, it was really bad. Then it was horrible, you know. And so to to your point, he came up in he came up in an occupied

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Israel. Exactly. I mean, in the in the Romans were just horrible, wretched people.

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I mean, the things they did was insane. And perverted and with children and you know,

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I mean, the details don't need to be hashed out here. Right. I mean, it's just insane, you know, and I look at that and I just that's what

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I came away with. It was not to say that the idea of the end times and when Jesus is coming back is not important.

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But the speculation of when it is and then that that we should be so focused on when that happens, what's it going to look like?

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Actually, Jesus focus was, yep. Today, right. Live like this so that you're a witness to those around you and change your little part of the kingdom.

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It's it my interactions as you go through the marketplace and everything. That's kind of how I've always felt about like I've got

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I've got people and friends that really get into that. Like they just want to sit down and talk for six, eight hours.

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Is it, you know, oh, my gosh. And Jesus come back and the government's doing this and that's going to help the red lamb of this and that.

48:45

And sir, you guys guy in the data collection piece in the Middle East didn't just last week, right?

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All right. I just get so confused by some of that. Not only confused, but I'm like, I just feel secondary to me, like I'm supposed to live every day as if Christ is returning.

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Like that's just that's what the Bible says, like literally live every day like that. And I think if you live like that, that does affect your decisions.

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I mean, I just had I had something happen and I got totally convicted of it. And I don't know if if it was if someone's life was on the line because of it.

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I have a very good friend who's who's we were going to visit him and his dad was was diagnosed with stage four cancer.

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He went to the hospital. We're on the way up to his place. He calls me, hey, we can't do the week long thing we're going to do with the kids, go to the beach, all that.

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My dad just got out of the hospital. He's got two weeks left. Right. I hang up the phone. Not an audible voice, but the spirit impressed on me, you need to you need to go talk to him.

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Yeah, he's a biker dude. Nicest guy in the world. Don't know if he knows the Lord or not. You need to go talk to him. Just have a heart to heart with him.

49:54

Yeah, I call my buddy back. I say, hey, can I come see your dad in the next, you know, next few days within the next week?

50:02

Because, yeah, anytime is good. I mean, he's just at home. We're basically prepping him for hospice. That's not the other. So in my mind,

50:08

I I thought, man, should I go over there today? You know, I went, no, we're all loaded up. We're going to South Haven. We got a week up there.

50:14

It's the vacation. I'll do it when I get back. Yeah. The next day he calls me, goes, man, we thought he had two weeks.

50:19

He passed away. Oh, well, now my heart broke. Yeah. I mean, I'm up north and I'm standing off to the side and I'm crying because I don't know.

50:27

I went, did I just put a vacation before a man's soul? Now, I don't he could have been saved. I don't know.

50:32

I'm not saying he wasn't. All I know is that the Lord said, you go talk to him. And I went, yeah, but I got stuff to do,

50:38

Lord. I got family and I could justify it. Look, I got spent time with my family. Be a good dad. Be a good leader. Be a good father.

50:43

All those things. Good husband. But I just had this immense feeling like you were told to do something and you made a decision to put that off and not live for.

50:52

No one's promised tomorrow. Greg, you're not promised tomorrow. You know, and it was just this heaviness on my heart.

50:58

And I went, oh, my gosh, I can never do that again. And that's so when we start talking about like, well, these numbers and this tribe and that and Jesus is going to come in this year, it's like, dude,

51:06

I'm just trying to get through today and obey the Lord. It's funny because that's what I was thinking. I'm like,

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I am working on. He must increase. I must decrease. That's what

51:16

I'm working on today. I don't know what's happening with the rapture. But that right. That's the decrease of us to go like, oh, this is more important, you know, to figure that stuff out and live out the

51:27

Great Commission. Yeah. Yeah. All authority in heaven and on earth. Like that's hard enough. Yeah. Yeah. Just doing that.

51:33

Let alone. Then we're going to seriously, you know, debate. But 2027, right?

51:39

Is that what we're going with? Is that what you're going with? You heard it here first on Dead Man Walking, Jason Hamlin. I don't know, did

51:44

Timothy LaHaye say that? I don't know. I have a bucket list. I'm trying to get done. So true story.

51:50

All right. Sacrilegious probably, but true story. Well, then we definitely want to hear it. Get it. When I was in Bible college for that.

51:56

You remember that one semester I taught in Bible college? So that was right at the same time. They were re -releasing all the

52:02

Star Wars in the theater, like digitally remastered. Literally serious prayer. I said, God, would you mind just waiting to come back until all the

52:11

Star Wars were released? Real prayer. I wanted to see Han Solo before the rapture, man.

52:17

Oh, I'm shamed. I don't know if I've ever publicly said that. And he heard the desire of your heart. He did.

52:22

And he answered it. And he answered it. Amen. He answered it. Oh, that's funny.

52:28

Do you know, I've never seen, I've never, I've never seen one, any of the Star Wars movies all the way through, like maybe like 20 minutes of one, 20 minutes of another.

52:36

This is very disheartening. I have seen every episode of Star Trek. I'm walking out.

52:41

This will make it even worse. I don't really watch it or know anything about Star Wars either.

52:47

Yeah. I would say I thought I was the only one my age. I saw, but I wasn't allowed to guys. Things were going so good.

52:53

I saw the one here. Well, what's the, what's the guy that looks like a lizard. What are you talking about?

52:59

Jar Jar Binks. Jar Jar. Yeah. So I, that was the worst character in the Star Wars.

53:05

How do you know? No, so have you ever heard of it?

53:10

Angel? Yeah. Yeah. That's where they like pure flicks or whatever. You can edit content out.

53:16

Yeah. They actually have a, you can like for each movie you can edit. You can get rid of language scenes, whatever it cuts them out.

53:23

It's pretty amazing. And so it's awesome. And it really is. So you pay a little commercial for vid angel.

53:30

Uh, they're the ones who actually, if you're not sponsored by let's get that very, very soon.

53:36

The chosen. Have you seen this? The new chosen about Jesus? I haven't seen it. Okay. So everybody's talking personally, everybody watched it and wept.

53:44

I was beautiful, man. I sent him like 15 bucks. So they're the ones who produced this anyways.

53:52

So you basically pay a monthly fee for them now, but you connect all your. Amazon, Netflix, everything to it.

53:58

Then you can watch your shows through them and edit out content is brilliant. So you have to edit it or you just put the, you just select what you want.

54:06

I don't want language. And it, Oh, it bleeps it out. So like when my kid wants to watch, you know, a superhero movie and it's like,

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I don't want those four cuss words in that weird thing in there, but I'm okay with, you know, I'm okay. So it edits it like right.

54:19

It just bleeps it out. Like right now I click on it. Yeah. We watch it and it'll get rid of scenes.

54:25

It'll chop scenes out. It's pretty amazing. It was pretty cool. But anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry. Just to finish the thought.

54:30

They actually had for star Wars, for the new stars, they had a Jar Jar Binks at it. So every

54:38

Jar Jar Binks was, I always thought he was funny. I mean, I was like the one racist, uh,

54:46

I don't know. I don't know. One racist character they have in the star Wars. The one you are drawn to.

54:53

It was a little, it was just off color. It just wasn't, it didn't make sense. It wasn't even a good character. I would use the word risque.

55:00

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Did not know. Great. That's a fun fact of a

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Jar Jar Binks setting. I did it right out, man. Vid angel. Vid angel. Okay.

55:12

Yeah. It's so sad because there's some movies that are so. I mean, they're, they're pretty darn good.

55:17

They're good. And then they have one little, they just got to put some stuff in there and you're like, really? Right. Yeah. Like my 10 year old doesn't need to hear that.

55:24

You know, that stuff too. It's like, they just drop a word just to boost that rating to the next level. It seems like for viewership.

55:31

And you're like, Oh no, they absolutely. It doesn't even make sense that that's in there. You know what I mean? It's like so random. It's because like a 15, 17, 18 year old kid.

55:37

I'm not going to a PG movie, but PG 13 is a little more risky. It feels changed a lot too though.

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Cause now PG should be PG 13. It's a little different, different now, although have you, so I guess

55:49

I don't know how, how old you are, but okay. So being in my forties, uh, there are movies that I watched as a kid that I wanted to enjoy with my kids.

55:59

Yeah. And then I put them in, I'm like, sorry, you know, I'm like repenting to God and my wife,

56:05

I don't remember that being in there. Oh my goodness, man. So I remember I watched back in the day we didn't watch when we had two hours of TV a week, it was like public television and, you know, very limited on the, on the movies, but then somehow it slipped in there that we went to, we were house setting for another couple and we watched back to the future when

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I was like nine or 10. Right. So growing up, I was like, yeah, that's, that's like a fun family. And then you watch it and you're like, dude, there's some really weird stuff.

56:32

And back to the future. I don't want my kids watching this. Especially when they get to the prom. Yeah. Like him and his mom. He's going to him and his mom and like what's happening there.

56:39

And you're like, what? As a kid though, I'd never processed that, you know, which is good, I guess.

56:44

But as an adult, I'm like, this is heavy, man. We had a movie slip through and they said, uh, you know, and they, once again, it goes back to them being, my kids being exposed and just, and they said, and they said ass in my, in my 10 year old looks at me, she goes, what does that word mean?

57:01

I thought it meant donkey. Yeah. Right. Cause she's very literal and looked up, said, absolutely. That's what was the original intent.

57:08

Uh, when you use it towards someone like that, you're being derogatory towards them, you're calling them as dumb as a donkey or, you know, and you're basically degrading them.

57:16

We're all made in the image of God. God says we shouldn't degrade another person that way. So in society, we view that as a bad word and we view it that way and we don't use it.

57:24

And she went, oh, okay. And then we're onto the, you know what I mean? So it was like a teachable moment. Uh, she heard the word and I feel like when you're a kid, if you hide stuff from them, you know, it's, then it's like, well, now you want, now you want intriguing.

57:36

I want to know more about it. Ooh, I can't use that. It's the forbidden fruit. Yeah. And then I caught, uh, my, which you gotta be careful of that.

57:43

Cause then around other kids, like my kids were using anatomically correct words for parts of their body. They didn't, they knew

57:49

Santa wasn't real. They know, you know, Easter bunny isn't real, but you got to be careful when they're around other kids, even in church.

57:54

Cause then it's like, you know, my middle child, she was out there like, you know, Santa isn't real. I was like Dwight on the office.

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Like when he gets a fax from himself in the future, I'm like slapping it out of her head, like, no, you know, because you know, it's families have traditions and not judging, but we just decided, you know, yeah, we got a call from preschool from my daughter and the request was either to have her stop talking about Santa not being real or keep her home during Christmas because she'd be like, she's very literal too.

58:25

She's my favorite person. Awesome. Like, you know, that that's a lie. He's not real. Kids are like crying.

58:32

Sorry about that. But you know, yeah, it is what it is. Yeah. Well, let's, uh, we're going to start finishing up here.

58:39

We're geez. We were probably way over your late for your gig. I bet 58 minutes, man. It just flew by.

58:44

Yeah, man. Got any other, uh, parting words there, Jason or, uh, Rick, before we finish up, isn't it weird how we park in a driveway, but drive on a parkway?

58:55

Yeah, I actually had something serious to say. No, I don't want to say it. Well, I've always, I've always wondered why do clocks run clockwise?

59:03

Why do clocks clock? I could sit here. I could sit here all day. We're going to, I had a set of books when

59:09

I was little and it was all those questions. It was all those questions. Oh, this is the kind of nerd

59:14

I was as a little kid. I'm reading like a paradox and like, when did one of them was called?

59:19

When did wild poodles roam the earth? Like when, when did we just have what poodles obviously are here, where are they, when they roaming the earth, like where'd they come from the arc.

59:28

And it was all those, I do have one for you. Now that you mentioned it, this is a pet peeve though. I might get, you might get drove or have me on for this.

59:35

Wouldn't you agree that the push to fight for homeless animals would actually be solved if we put all the animals out of the house, back in the woods, because that's where they came from.

59:46

It's just a thought. I'm just, I'm just saying, isn't that their original home? Yeah. Aren't they homeless in our buildings?

59:53

Oh my gosh. What is deep? That's deep guys. You just threw me there. I haven't been speechless that often on our podcast, but yeah, just put them back in nature.

01:00:03

Then right now they're works. What is a homeless? Is that a real thing? Is like people like rest? Oh, you've seen those commercials.

01:00:10

Yeah. Like you can literally, you can go pound sand. Yeah. You could literally, you could watch a yeah.

01:00:21

Is that you could watch a sponsor? This kid, wasn't that our senior song?

01:00:26

It was. Yeah. We went to school together. Sorry. Yeah. No, it's more, you could watch a commercial about sponsoring a child and it's heart wrenching and it's the same format for sponsoring.

01:00:38

You're like, yeah. And in this culture, people will probably sponsor the animal for yeah, exactly.

01:00:44

You laugh, but it's like, man, it's so sad. So degraded the, you know, this image, like, like even with the whole race thing and this, it's like, dude, we're all made in the image of God.

01:00:54

Like I, you know, X 1726, right? Yeah. I don't know what that is, but sure. We all came from one seat.

01:01:01

Yeah. Yeah. It's good. Well, that's a good ending. That's good. It has nothing to do with worship music, but it's scripture.

01:01:08

Okay. I liked it. Thank you guys. Well, Rick, thanks for coming by and part two to actually talk about music.

01:01:14

We got a little music and we can do it again. Hey, but seriously, anytime you want to come back and just hang out and talk, we're good with it.

01:01:20

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01:01:48

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01:01:57

We appreciate it as always. God bless. Cool. Is that the car?