Andrew Rappaport, Keith Foskey, & Greg Moore Jr. Solve All Of Your Problems

So it sounds like the start of a really bad joke. A Presbyterian a Baptist and well all the denominations get together and walk into Buffalo Wild Wings. My name is Andrew Rappaport, I'm the host of Andrew Rappaport and if you're not familiar with my name That's because you're listening to me on one of the other podcasts represented.

Well, we have a Presbyterian here. Why don't you. Hey? Is that my intro. That's your intro. That's right. Just I. We have a.

Introductions and Denominational Banter

Presbyterian here. Take it away. Greg. My name is Greg Moore. I'm the token Presbyterian I guess reformed in my theology and Host a dead man walking podcast. Met these guys a few months ago. We've become good friends and hopefully we can have a good chat tonight.

And so so you're the Presbyterian. I'm the Baptist from Andrew Rappaport's rap report. And then we have someone who is all the denominations. Would that be right. Greg is he I.

Think he's all of them in his video and he doesn't pretty well, too.

And and that would be conversations with a Calvinist. Who could that be?

That's me. He Foskey and I am your Calvinist. That is it. Yeah, absolutely. Good to see you.

Okay, so we should explain where for those in my audience at least Greg your audience knows Keith if they've been. Okay, maybe if they haven't listened to all the episodes they should go back and binge.

Would that be.

He was I don't know within the last month. So if you caught the last three or four, you'd know who he is.

He would and and you'd get the reference even the reference to the Wild Wings, but Keith you you're probably best known. You're probably better known than any of us here. And for something you do and When you explain it and everyone's gonna have the same reaction that I had when we first met when I was like Oh, that's you're that guy.

It's for bringing James White McDonald's. Yes. That's what that's what I'm famous for as for bringing James White a Hamburger. Actually, it was a cheeseburger Happy Meal. No, it was. Please get that rumor started.

He said he wanted the toy. No, that's not I. I'm the guy who everybody says you're that guy and by that guy that means the guy who does the denominational videos and I do various kinds but the the most popular ones are when I dress like other denominations and.

Make fun of all of us. And and you have you you point out who has superior theology.

Yes, and tonight it would be Greg who is the superior Theology representative because it is always the Presbyterian and you know, just just for you. I mean I have to light this up. I mean.

So we we met and I think our first our first interaction was at a Buffalo Wild Wings and. It was it was and and you know. We should we should if we could just share the video that you did. We we should explain the video first we were we were sitting at the Buffalo Wild Wings together.

And we'll get to more serious theology tonight, but we're sitting in and having just having dinner very loud place and Keith was. Greg would be fair to say he was taking tons of notes and and just getting ready for show prep.

Yeah, he was stealing our material. Andrew is what he was doing. Oh, there it is. He's got the stogie out.

All right. There's my closet Presby, but he doesn't light it up. He just.

That's right. I just chew I just chew. Like Winston Churchill over there, that's right so. Yeah, go ahead. I was just gonna say you mentioned that I was taking notes actually how it started and I don't remember who said it.

But we were we were about to order the wings. The waitress had walked up and I may have been Greg, but somebody looked at me and they said well. Hey, how would a Methodist order wings because Methodist is the one that's always very.

Very progressive very feminine, you know, and I said, well they would order the cauliflower wings and everybody thought that was funny. I said they were just which is also true though. Yeah, they wouldn't want the meat.

They would just want the cauliflower wings and everybody thought that was funny. So I pulled out my phone and took wrote that down and then everybody started throwing out other ideas. Well, what would the big Eva be?

What would the. You know, everybody. And of course, you know.

Big Eva has chicken nuggets and calls them wings and we didn't we didn't discuss the ending of it. So we'll have to wait for the ending to discuss that but we're gonna say Greg. I.

Was gonna talk about the ending. I said, you know. It's it's sad because you know. We have a dipsy here in our presence and you kind of made fun of him and Andrews the exact opposite of that. He's very generous and giving person but that ending.

Where he pretends the rapture absent so he doesn't have to pay the bill. I laugh so hard at that. That's that's a good ending for that skit and let me just add to that. I went to lunch with Andrew during the conference and he bought my lunch so that I shared.

I shared the video.

I laughed hysterically at the ending and I did say when I posted I said, but I paid my bill. That's right. Let's play a clip of it for folks that are watching on the video and or they could just those that could listen and so if You're listening.

I'll just say you hear different voices. All the voices are done by Keith, but he's acting out different roles so it's kind of better to go and just search for the the denominations order chicken wings and that way you can watch the video because You know, he dresses up as each of the people and it says whether he's the Presbyterian the Baptist or or whoever so.

Here's the video.

Welcome to wings are us. My name is Chad. I'll be your server. Can I get you guys Chad? Sir, I'll have you know, we're a group of Christians. So there won't be any alcohol. This is the Baptist. That's right.

But hey when the Baptist isn't looking I need you to turn this glass of water. There's my Presbyterian here. Theology requires a superior beverage. Amen food order, of course, our specialty is wings. So what will everyone be having?

I like my wings like I like my sermons filled with fire and brimstone. Independent Baptist. Sure, those are really really hot. Most people can't stand them. Listen if I can handle Steven Anderson sermons I can handle your wings.

Steven Anderson reference. Yes. By the way before I forget I want to give you this gospel tract. Well, thank you. Most most people just leave this with their tip. That's just the thing. I won't be leaving a tip.

Well, there's a big surprise. Very important to me that the wings be completely submerged in the sauce. I don't want any part that's not covered in sauce. It's not like a bad list unless it's Immersed.

Listen, don't put my wings in the sauce. I want you to bring the sauce on the side. I'll pour it on myself. Yes, I'm right. He's covered in sweet and hot sauce. It's a true via media of flavors and that's the way I like it.

I like beer battered wings, but you can hold the wings and hold the batter. Beer that's my. That's my boy. Yes, I have a very special way Dispensational here. I brought a chart with me. It's color-coded and it gives the this the seven different steps that I want my wings made in here.

You can just hand this to the chef. I like boneless wings, please. They give a. I actually don't think we have boneless wings on the menu. Listen man, if you love Jesus, you're gonna call chicken nuggets boneless wings.

I want to try your cauliflower wings. They're very progressive and if you would bring me my sauce in a bottle I'm gonna sprinkle it on myself a few moments later. All right, everyone. I hope you enjoyed the food.

Is this all gonna be on one check? Are we gonna be separating this out for everyone? Yes. We're all gonna be going separate tonight. Wait, where's the dispensationalist? Just the clothes he pretends to be raptured so he doesn't have to pay his part of the bill.

Oh. That's so good, you know why those are so good Keith too is because there's little you're basically doing comedy. But you understand each one so well that there's little things in there that I'd look at and I go oh, yeah, I get that and In most people would go right over it the fact that the Presbyterian and the Lutheran kind of look at each other and have a little thing there's a long-running thing to where Presby's kind of have a thing for Lutherans.

We're like we don't believe in your baptism stuff your Eucharist up, but we kind of you know Buddy up to him and it's like only someone who really understands the relationship between all the denominations.

Can do something like that and then you pick up on and you go. Oh, that's just gold.

Yeah, there's so much gold in each one of your videos that you know you guys on Dead man walking podcast when Keith was on you guys talked about humor. Yeah, and and the fact that you know, there are people and I guess it was Keith you played the independent fundamentals Baptist.

So he'd be the one without the humor, right? So I'm saying that it's someone who is you know went to a independent fundamentals Baptist seminary just for the record full disclosure so but You know you guys talked about the fact of you know is humor appropriate.

There's there's a lot of people that think like Christians shouldn't be joking around shouldn't have humor. I mean scripture is clear in Proverbs that humor is good medicine to the soul. Yeah.

You know, I get a lot. I get actually more than you would think. People who tell me that I just shouldn't be doing what I'm doing because it's I've been told it's one that all denominations are bad. And therefore I'm just perpetuating something that's bad.

Like I created the denominations like I did this. Like the nomination wasn't as my fault.

Well, you're representing all of them so that's it and.

But then some who just you know, there's you know, it isn't. That's the one thing I hear Division isn't funny and I'm like, no, it really is. It's hilarious. That's the basis of comedy is the differences, right?

Yeah, that's right. Stereotypical stuff. The difference between men and women the difference between denominations. Like the reason why we why comedy Sometimes hits it's because one it's true and we're celebrating our differences through laughing kind of at each other.

Well, I think one of the biggest reasons I think that so many Christians don't find things funny and don't like humor is Because they're just well one they're they're looking to be offended like the rest of the world.

So there's that problem, but I think that there's there's some that have such a pride in their theology That they can't joke about it. They can't that someone else may actually be right. They have to be the only one who's right.

I Really think that's a struggle they have and one of the things I appreciate when we all got together I mean that Buffalo Wild Wings we were at. And then we were all over the map and in different theological topics and it was great.

I mean I had so much fun even even when Greg this was the funniest scene. And and perhaps Addison I had him on my podcast and he talked about this one thing that you did. Boy, we're all sitting there and it was one point because I mean this was with Jeffrey Rice and basically there's two topics That came up every night.

Every discussion. Theonomy and in times right and Jeffrey Rice brought them up every time. But there was a point where everyone was kind of getting on the Presbyterians with theonomy and you just turned away.

Why are you picking on me when there is really an easy pick on guy. Right. Exactly that's how I felt I was. Like, wait a minute. He's dip see why we pick it on me.

And so it that was great but you know what we dish agreed you and I were. Greg were the. Probably the people on the opposite sides the most because everyone else pretty much was in alignment except for you and I.

Next to each other. It was a great time, even though we disagreed with what we had a great theological discussion. We dug into discussing scripture. We disagreed with one another there was no name-calling.

Yeah, it was enjoyable and fun until he left us and then the jokes.

Well, I'll say two things about that one. It was kind of fun seeing how you and I Andrew had to kind of form our Game of Thrones alliances. Because we were among so many Reformed Baptists. We had to find where we had common ground and kind of link arms and go.

Okay, at least we can battle together on this. But two I would also just say for those listening. Yes. I love comedy. I love poking fun or I can I can listen to someone talking about systematic theology now where I do draw the line is if you're talking about my Savior in a demeaning manner or if you're talking about Christ and His sacrifice and what he's done.

I do draw the line there and I think both of you would agree with that. But I just want to make that clear for the listeners. I'm not gonna sit through. You know something that demeans demeans Christ or God or any of that?

But if you want to talk about our differences and you know Systematic theology and things like that and most of them are secondary issues. Sometimes not. Yeah have at it and let's joke about it. You know, let's have a good time with it.

Amen. Yeah. No, I think that's a very important point because I think when it comes to the the character and nature of God. Yeah, that's that's in a different category than our systematic theology. Which look all of us have a theological position that was written by men.

Okay, whichever position we have. Now everyone's gonna know. I have just the Bible. No, you don't. Have you guys run into the person because I'm sure you have that person who tells you he doesn't he doesn't go to church.

He doesn't need church. He doesn't need a confessional. Say he has the Bible. He doesn't listen to words of men.

Yeah, they're called dispensationalists. I'm joking. Of course, not Andrew. We know you're.

Have you ever realized you are your system.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, absolutely. It's go ahead Keith. No, I was just gonna say I it's funny how many of those people are. When you when they when they say that it's just you know, I don't need a system I don't need a man telling me anything.

It's just me and my Bible. How many of those people are just outright kooky when they start explaining the things that they've come up with and. That it's just me and my Bible and they you know. They it's almost always some kind of really fringe out on the edge.

Weird position that they've come up with and some people might claim. Well, that's because the Bible is unclear. No, it's because that person has made themselves the standard and they are going to read everything through their own filter.

It's not as if they don't have a filter they do it's their own brain and their filter is. You know.

It's messed up and Keith. Why is it that they all seem to struggle with that one passage forsake assembling together? Yeah, yeah, like I've never met a single one of them that actually goes to church and submits himself to anyone.

Right, absolutely. Absolutely and they'll tell you they'll say I don't need anybody, you know, I don't submit to man I just submit to God and it's like okay that you know, ultimately we do have to submit to God but what do you do with Hebrews 13 that says to submit to your leaders and Obey them and that their that their work may be a joy and not a burden.

You know, how do you how do you submit? Well, I'm submitting to Jesus. No, okay. That's not what that passage is talking about. So yeah I think it's it's an accountability issue when you get down to it.

It's a pride issue. I'm dealing with that with a very close family member. Well, I just I have my church service out here in my house I live by myself me and God we talk and we read the Bible and you know, you can skip over a lot of passages that That actually command it submit to elders submit to civil leaders submit to one another.

Hello don't forsake the Gather gathering of the assembly like Andrew pointed out and I think it comes down to that every sin comes down to pride. There's some pride and accountability issues there. And I've known I've went through that I went through those in in my life in my early 30s just thought you know, I can make a run at this myself and Then realized no very quickly.

You can't and then when you realize the joy of the body of Christ that comes with gathering with brothers and sisters. And as Keith, he's a pastor I mean, I'm sure you wake up and you go I can't wait to see my brothers and sisters on Sunday bring the word fellowship, you know Assemble with them.

So I Don't know. It's tough too because they don't know they don't know what they're missing out on. It's a bull it's a common grace it's a blessing of the Lord for us to be able to gather.

Amen. Yeah, I mean I think what it ultimately does. I think a lot of people have a hard time understanding what church actually is because when you think oh I could do church at Home with my family. Okay, so there's 31 one another's in the in the New Testament.

Are you doing you're not practicing those the way you would in church? You have not only those but you have all the spiritual gifts and those are for the others. They're not right. So now what do you do when you're you can't use your spiritual gifts?

And who are the pastors and the deacons? How are you doing communion? You can't do these things when it's just hey. It's just me at home by myself and or I'm watching TV. I'm watching some someone on TV and that's church.

You're not participating. You're you're doing the very opposite of what church is about church is not about me getting I mean There are times where I think we do we go to church. Maybe it's just been a rough season of life and you go to church and and you're the one that people are ministering to.

Yeah, but that's because other times you're the one ministering to others. You can't do that with a TV. That's not church. Yeah, you sitting with the Bible you can't practice church.

Well, like I said, it's accountability though, too, right? I mean, who are you submitting to at that point? You're becoming the monarchy and the only monarchy is Christ. So if you're at home by yourself and you make all the decisions and you all I'm I'm checking in with.

With God, well, I hate to tell you but God doesn't come down to your living room on Mount Sinai and speak to you. Like you did to Moses He has set in place a very structured order of how it is. And maybe this is a little bit my Presbyterian coming out, but you do you have pastors you have elders you have Other brothers and sisters who hold you accountable and then through that line is if you're not taking your family to church.

How are you going to be the head of your household submitting to? Elders and shepherds if you make yourself the king of that castle and essentially don't have any accountability. So generally I see it as a rebellious spirit when people do that now I don't look at I know there's good Christians out there and people that we know that don't attend church and They're believers.

But at the root of it if we introspect and we look deep and we go what if they really were to ask themselves. What's the reason why I'm not doing that? It usually comes down to like I said pride and accountability, I think.

Yeah, and Not to be self-promotional, but I do want to mention something I've I've not written a lot of things but I do have a book that I wrote called a biblically functioning Church. Which talks about the structure that you were just talking about Greg and Understanding the structure of the biblically functioning Church.

What what elders do what deacons do what gift-based ministry is is what Andrew was just talking about. How do we use our gifts within the body and it's it's available. You can order it. But you can also get it for free.

I have it available on our church's website. You can get the digital version absolutely free at SGFC Jack's org slash books and I also have my book on the Trinity. But I just this particular topic means a lot to my heart.

I even did a video. I had a video. If people want to find it on our channel of two men arguing over whether or not they should go to church. It's me arguing with myself. It's that the way I do the videos but in the in the guy says, you know I don't go to church.

I am the church. It's like no, you're not you are not the church. You the church is the assembly and you you don't get to assemble by yourself. You're not Voltron. Okay, you don't get to assemble all by yourself.

So and that's a 80s reference right there. But yeah so anyway, if anybody's interested they can go and and check out the book and we actually use it for teaching our one of our classes at the Academy teaching the.

Christian life and ministry. So yeah, you know, we we had as you guys. You know my background I do a lot of open-air evangelism and there was a guy who wrote a book About whether women can do open-air and part of the argument that was made Was when you go out on the street.

That's church and therefore a woman can't be preaching because it's called open-air preaching now. I've always referred to it as open-air evangelism. Because that's really what you're doing. You're evangelize now.

There are guys that prepare sermons. Who you preaching to if it's a evangelistic sermon, okay, that would be fitting but The the thing though is is that the arguments the person was making was hey, there's two or three gathered.

We're singing songs. We're praying. We're preaching that defines church and I actually said to him I said, you know, I've done all those at a secular job site. You know. We had a couple believers that we got in early and we would we pray before work and we do a Bible study and there Were there was three of us.

Does that make it church? And he's like, oh you're being ridiculous. I said all I'm doing is using your argument and Apply that you're using on the street and applying it to a different situation and it got me looking into what is the church and that.

That's actually you know, I wrote my book. What do we believe the what started from that? It was gonna be just a blog article. Became the chapter of the book and it just gives a history of the church.

Because as we see the church has has morphed and become more and more precise over time. The word Ecclesia where we get the word church from in Greek. It really came from Ephesus referring to voting and We don't think of it that way, but it was a gathering together of people for the purpose to vote.

That was the first reference that we see of Ecclesia and it became in in the New Testament time. It was a just a gathering but you know in the time of Christ when he walked the earth. It was just a gathering.

Yeah out. But then after Christ it became more specific to a gathering for the worship of God and then you end up seeing through history in In the Middle Ages, it became what we started talking about the invisible and visible church referring to that local body that visible body.

That assembles that's made up of believers unbelievers and that universal body the invisible body of only believers everywhere. But yeah, your tins got more specific and they were like no no. Churches got to have three elements.

You got to have the pre the preaching of the word the Practicing of the of the ordinances, you know baptism and Lord's Supper and you had to have in this one might surprise people. Church discipline. If you didn't have church discipline, they would say you're not a church.

And so you end up seeing it morphing now, I'll admit in my book I'm a dis be there Greg, but I do say that it continued to morph in the separation between in the church. But hey, not everyone's gonna agree with that one.

I would say the most important point in that and then Keith I'll let you jump in here is it it is my pet peeve when People use the two or three or more gathered to talk about church or prayer or anything like that.

We're talking about church discipline there Christ is saying hey, you know the law that says you have to have multiple witnesses to convict someone. I'm there in your presence when you bring someone before the elders after you've already tried to settle it Between them bring them there.

I'm in your midst. I will I will be that person. That's essentially ruling over that decision. So that two or three are gathered and we're a church. It's not even the right use of that that biblical passage first of all and then second of all.

Just like you just like you said, it's more it's more than either a building or a gathering. There's Look, you could call a church three people heck if you've got three underground. There's churches right now in China China that have nine people in them and it's a church.

They're all running. They don't want to be beheaded. They're underground. They're swapping micro SD cards that have Bible chapters on them and They're a church. They're part of the larger Universal Church as well.

So the numbers games doesn't really fly with me. Yeah, and the two or three, I mean you nailed it we did a podcast about it on the subject of you know, understanding the two or three or are gathered and People use that also for house churches and I am NOT opposed to house churches necessarily but house churches have.

Typically what I have seen have little to no Structure again the whole biblically functioning church my again my term biblically functioning church means there's a structure a structure a structure under which we function and I understand as Andrew was saying I agree there has been there has been a Morphing or an evolution with you to use a ugly word an evolution of church over time, but the structure of Elders and deacons and those things were there in the in the beginning they're there in the writings of Paul.

Paul gives us the structure and the pastorals and Yeah for somebody to say well, we don't need the church. All you know, the majority of Paul's writings were written to the church specifically to churches and You know, the New Testament is all about the church.

So when I when I hear you say structure, I hear accountability. Is that kind of what you're talking about too because that's what I see. Oh, I just got a house church me and my 15 buddies and now I'm I'm out on an island here.

There's absolutely no accountability to elders shepherds. Any biblical accountability that's when you're saying structure. Some people might think oh you have to have a church. You have to have two services a week.

You have to have parking for the handicapped. You have to have be up to code with the local bit. Are you that's not is that what you're talking about? Are you talking about the larger? Presbytery the you know the the accountability of leadership, well, I Accountability is a good word.

But I here's what I mean by structure and I usually when I have a whiteboard when I teach on this I I would I would draw this out I would say that the structure of the church begins with Christ as the head and If Christ is not the head of the church, then you don't have a church.

And how do you know if Christ is the head of the church? Well, the word is how Christ governs his church. If the word is not being preached then you don't have Christ at the head therefore. You don't have a church.

So it begins with Christ is the head of the church. That's the structure. The word must be preached. That's the that's how the that's how the head governs. The body is through the word. The word is how he governs and so it begins with that.

But then after that who is responsible for preaching and teaching that word? That's the elders job and therefore you have under the head. You have this sphere of authority given to the elders to preach and teach that word.

Therefore Christ is leading his church through the word being preached by the elders. That's the structure and then the ministry of that body is done through the deacons who are the arms and legs of the church.

Doing the ministry within the body and being examples to the body that they might minister one to another because the Bible says we are given these Leaders to do what to equip the Saints for the work of ministry through their gifts that they've been given to them according to first Corinthians 12.

Everyone's been given a gift by the choice of the Holy Spirit who gives as he wills and therefore the body is working as it's. Being instructed through the elders by the head Christ, which is his word.

So like I literally draw this picture of like a body like this is this is what the church structure is and if that's not. And and really, you know, we could talk about Episcopalian and Presbyterian and congregational models, but it all comes down to is Christ the head and if Christ is in the head and if there's not this Basic structure then there's then there's not a church.

So really quick. Let me just respond to that and then Andrew. Of course, you can talk on your own podcast here. Sorry, it's been a minute so you would be okay with like it's okay. So we had like Dale Partridge on the podcast I think almost a year and a half ago now and he is really big on home churches.

But the home churches have that structure set up home to no more than 50 to 60 people they have Shepherds they have elders they have deacons, but it's on a much smaller scale and they meet in their homes.

So you wouldn't be opposed to something like that because you do have that structure accountability that biblical. You know line of where that authority is it doesn't so it you know. It doesn't matter where you're physically meeting at that point.

Yeah, where where you meet is not the is not the focus. It's it's how you Structure the gathering and how you structure the body and when we come to issues like church discipline. How is that handled, you know?

One of the things Andrew said earlier the three things preaching of the word sacraments and the discipline of the church. You know, is that handled biblically? I know a lot of churches right now I can think of a couple off the top of my head that have have exercised discipline in a way that was Unbiblical and the church suffered for it and a lot of times it's because you have men and I'm gonna I'm gonna use a phrase here and this might catch me this might get me Ugly emails, but you have untrained men.

Leading the people of God now. I'm not saying that every pastor has to go to seminary. But every pastor should be trained in the Word of God whether that is through the local church. Whether that however that training has happened and what happens is you get unskilled untrained men.

Handling the Word of God and that's more dangerous than a child with a gun. Because that person has the ability to endanger souls with the behavior that they're doing. So you need men who know what they're doing especially in a house church because you're in a situation where the structure is going to be need needed even more to be Defined because it's not defined by the externals.

It's gonna have to be defined by the internals. I would even say the Bible steps that up when we looking at eldership and and what the bare minimum requirements are. It's not you need to know about the Bible and we say oh you don't have to go to seminary.

But you need to be true. No, the Bible says what's his personal life like are his children believers? Are his children acting rightly in public? How about his wife? How does his wife treat him? How does he treat his wife?

What age is he has he attained? Just even a certain level of wisdom and discernment because of his age that God gives us through common grace through age and experience. Like the Bible is so much more strict on what?

What a shepherd should be and then I think sometimes we loosen it we go. Well, you don't have to be in seven. Okay, who cares about seminary or not? A lot of the early church believers didn't go to seminary.

I'm talking about the character. How are they training their family? How are they leaders in their homes as men and then we can look to them to then? Teach us about God or teach us the word so I Don't even get to the seminar argument.

I could care less if you go to seminary not kind of probably how you feel I want to know when I'm when I meet Keith's wife's and wife and kid which I did and they're lovely and Respectful and godly. Well, he's doing something right in his home.

So he's because my kids went to seminary.

You know Some of the best preachers I've heard Have not been to seminary and part of the reason why they're so good is because they feel like oh I didn't go to seminary they study harder. But you know Keith when you're talking that the passage that came to my mind was when Paul says this in 2nd Timothy 2 2 and these things which you've heard from me in The presence of many witnesses so Paul saying this to Timothy he says Entrust these two faithful men who will also be able to teach others.

So what you have is Paul teaches Timothy. Timothy teaches faithful men faithful men teach others. So it's not just the pastors that are teaching and this is one of the things that is really a struggle.

Keith, I don't know if you've experienced this. I. So I pastored a church in New Jersey, you know, well for Jersey was a big church 150 people's a big church in Jersey but Everyone expects the pastor does everything people be like, I'm gonna invite my neighbor pastor so you could share the gospel.