March 22, 2016 Show with Scott Christensen on “What About Free Will?” PLUS Ken Gentry on “As It Is Written: The Genesis Account–Literal or Literary?”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania and the rest of humanity who are living on the planet Earth. Listening via live streaming. This is Chris Arntz and your host of iron sharpens iron wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 22nd day of March 2016 and I'm very delighted to have for the very first time ever on iron sharpens iron a Guest by the name of pastor Scott Christensen.

He is pastor of Summit Lake Community Church in Mancos, Colorado. And for the first hour we have him on the program to discuss. What about free will? Reconciling our choices with God's sovereignty. The second hour.

We will feature after a very long absence Dr. Kenneth Gentry. He is pastor of Living Hope Presbyterian Church of Greer, South Carolina and author of a number of books. And he's going to be discussing his latest book as it is written the Genesis account literal or literary.

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But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to iron sharpens iron pastor Scott Christensen. Hello good to be with you. Good to have you on the program and let me introduce you to my co-host today The Reverend Buzz Taylor and hello.

Good to meet you.

Pleasure to be here. Yeah before we go into the subject at hand. What about free will reconciling our choices with God's sovereignty? Why don't you tell our listeners something about summit summit. Lake Community Church in Mancos, Colorado?

Well, we. Well just in case I forget to do it later.

The website for that church is summit Lake Church dot o-r-g Summit Lake Church dot o-r-g and we hope that any of you who are visiting, Colorado or who already live there will visit that congregation and.

There have been many books as you know, Pastor Scott written on the subject of free will from both a theologically reformed or Calvinistic point of view and an Arminian view point of view or just Non Calvinist or anti Calvinist point of view because there are many of those Outside of the pale of the reformed faith that prefer not to use the term Arminian to describe themselves.

But why did you? Feel a need to write your book on free will.

Well young believer and whatnot. And I wrestled with but I still wrestled with. Read.

Now if you could Define what you mean by free will. Because a lot of the Battle or argument or debate that we have as reformed Christians or sovereign grace believers with those who do who reject our teachings a lot of it has to come to a misunderstanding of what we mean by The fact that man does not have a free will or that he has a free will with restrictions and so on.

Some people, you know try to give attribute a caricature of a robot that we believe God has just merely created robots and The men do not that we they would say that we do not believe men actually make choices That are voluntary and things of that nature.

If you could define free will.

Yeah, I think it's a point determined it cannot be. You could choose good we have chosen for why you would choose. We what live it to thinking. Arminian make choices in accordance to their strongest desires or the strongestaneously.

Determine those choices as well based upon the determining factors that make the strongest mode. Yeah, man,.

According to a compatible of compatibilist view or even a Calvinist or sovereign grace believing Reformed view would be that man voluntarily makes decisions according to his nature and what his nature would Give him the proclivity to desire or want.

Am I right on that? Yes for the unbeliever when it comes to I sometimes think that can be misconstrued. Yes, right because there's a sense in which we were both free and in bondage at the same time. Right.

We are always free to choose. What most influence right though from those faces are always cool. We would never for truly spiritually God-glorified. It's a part for a person to freely make such choices.

They have to be regenerated. So the scripture teaches that our minds must look just like it.

Just like what occurred with Lydia the seller of purple the Lord had to open up her heart so that she would understand the things That were being said.

I'm not understanding is if what the difference or if there's a difference between what you said was the Calvinistic and Edwards view. One is bound by nature. The other is just strongest motive. Is there.

I mean, well, you say the nature obviously is the strongest motive.

Edwards was a Calvinist, but yeah, but it does bring up an interesting point. You could answer his question first Scott because I do have a question about that regarding Edwards.

Repeat that again. Well, um, you mentioned that Edwards taught that we make our choices by the strongest motive and then of course the the. The next view you mentioned was that we're bound by our nature.

What our nature constitute our strongest motive?

Yes, our nature would always be the bait and.

Yeah, the the verse that I always like to point my Armenian or free will believing Friends or libertarian free will believing friends is Romans 8 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God and I asked them is believing in Christ in a saving way.

Is that pleasing to God and If they will typically obviously say yes, of course it is and I will say well. How can they do that when they are a dead sinner before regeneration?

Yes, that's that's a very Important passage of Scripture because you notice that Depending on their translation the mind that is flesh Not support is not even able to do so. Another way of saying set on the flesh who's full nature They're unwilling to set subject themselves to the law.

Not only that but they're unable to do so. Yes, so they're both unwilling and unable.

No, I don't want to I don't want to derail the theme, but I had heard from Some reformed folks In the past even from a prominent guest on my show at one point. And I don't want to name him since he's not here to better articulate himself, but I've heard that There is an argument from some reformed folk that Jonathan Edwards Departed from Calvin's view on the nature of man's will.

Would you agree with that assessment or disagree? Or how would you explain that even that that question even existing?

Yeah, I I am not personally.

Yeah, I didn't mean to the to insinuate that there are folks saying that he departed from the Doctrine of total depravity, but but some has he had some kind of a nuanced view according to these Individuals anyway, it's some kind of a nuanced view of the freedom of man's will that they believed Departed from the historic reformed sense of it.

But anyway The we do have a listener and I think it's a good way to To enter a good time to introduce this question because it's at a heart of a lot of what we're discussing.

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Mike in Birmingham, Alabama. He asked do you believe Adam had a freedom of will? Significantly different from all his posterity who followed by natural generation. How does his pre full freedom relate to those born again and given a new heart?

How about? Those in glory, so those are really three questions and if you forget any of them, I'll remind you of them.

Yeah, I believe. Had a kind of freedom. They are able is that what Boston wrote on isn't it? Yes, the four Thomas Boston. Yeah, I thought it sounded familiar.

Exactly, but yeah, I believe it. Well, you want to go into some more detail about those four.

Stages yeah. Where I talk about that, I'm trying to.

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First from John MacArthur who I'm sure is no stranger to the iron sharpens iron audience. He says of this book a clear intelligent immensely helpful overview of one of the most confusing conundrums in all of theology.

Scott Christensen doesn't sidestep the hard questions. The answers he gives are thoughtful biblical satisfying and refreshing Lee coherent lay readers and seasoned theologians alike will treasure this work and also Michael Horton of The White Horse in radio program, he's also an author and professor at Westminster Seminary in California.

He writes careful in description and argument Eminently readable most important of all this book breathes a spirit of wonder and gratitude Before the face of a God who is not only all-powerful But good and that was Michael Horton both very powerful endorsements, but if you could Scott go through those four.

So when you look at every fall the first comes from a phrase called posse per car a which means able to sin and Posse non Picardy, which means able not to so so in other words Adam and Eve had the capacity to.

So nonetheless they Experienced this day non Picard every fallen creature every unregenerate now once it generated Finals that would glorify human beings. I'm looking forward to that day. Absolutely, and that's what I described the day that we look forward to being totally.

Freed Right. I had a humorous conversation years ago and forgive me. Asking my listeners to forgive me because I know I brought this up before so I hope I'm not being overly repetitious with you.

But.

Years ago. I was over a friend's home a Roman Catholic friend and he used to have barbecues and parties over his home where he would purposely invite Roman Catholics and Evangelical Protestants over to his home so that they could eat drink and argue.

And I being somebody who loves debating in fact The great debate series that I ran on Long Island for over a decade with dr James R. White of Alpha Omega ministries between him and prominent Roman Catholic scholars and apologists that was born out of those barbecues and gatherings, but but my friend my Roman Catholic friend said to me that If you don't have the freedom of will to either choose or reject Christ you are a robot.

So I said to him Is your greatest goal in life to one day go to heaven? And he said of course and I said so your greatest goal in life is to be a robot. He goes, what are you talking about? I said, well if you define free well as being the ability to either accept or reject Christ and No one is sinning in heaven and rejecting Christ in heaven I guess you believe that you will be a robot if you make it to heaven one day.

And he said after a pause of silence, maybe you can sin in heaven. Oh.

My well, I have a question about this though because For a while there. I was starting on a church in my living room. We had a fella in there that was he was pretty much there to correct me and I had taught my children You know through the catechisms and all that stuff and they understood the doctrines of grace and I said to them, you know people love their free will that's the thing that they hate to get rid of it and This guy was in my living room once and after reasoning from the scriptures over and over and over again He finally just blurred it out.

But I want my free will. My kids are looking each other like they really do say that. What is this attraction to free will?

Yeah, I Believe in it and I certainly don't want to impede libertarian notion. It does seem to carve out and ultimately attributed to our of the gospel. It has a lot of implications for live your life or how of what is known as big view.

The ultimate transpires caricature of that view is known as fatalism and Fatalism basically teaches that what will be will be and it does not matter what you do. But of course we know that's not true because the scripture tells us that God Accomplishes his ultimate purpose and tells us that faith comes by hearing one of the inch.

I want you to pick up on fatalism when we return from our break and If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is Chris Arnzen a gmail .com. Chris Arnzen a gmail .com. Don't go away. We'll be right back with pastor Scott Christensen and What about free will?

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Welcome back. This is Chris Ornson. If you just tuned us in for the first hour We have as our guest today on iron sharpens iron Scott Christensen, and we are discussing his book What about free will reconciling our choices with God's sovereignty.

Our email address is Chris Ornson at gmail .com. If you want to join us with a question of your own and we do have a couple of listeners waiting Patiently to have their questions asked and answered but before I go to them you were talking about fatalism before the break and I remember on the radio station where I used to work the talk show host Andy Anderson whenever he would have Calvinistic guests on there was always one guy that would call up.

It was a live call-in show. He would call up and Say I'm really terrified that I'm not of the elect. I love the Lord. I have been a member of a Bible-believing Church for 20 years and Although I am a sinner like all men. I do Seek to repent of my sin and follow him, but I'm afraid that when I stand before him on Judgment Day He's going to tell me that I am NOT of the elect and send me to hell now that scenario will never happen.

Am I right? People seem to think that God is waiting there to to look at your lottery ticket to see if you are one of the elect and that they're they actually think that there are people who have been enemies of Christ their entire life until death and remained in rebellion when they died who will be of the elect and They tend to think that there are people who have been faithful disciples of Christ who will go to hell.

Because they didn't have you know the stamp on their hands, you know to get into heaven. But this scenario just doesn't exist ever in in the future.

Does it that verse? It's at 1614 Lydia. Lydia was listening listening to Paul preach. And the Lord opened her heart. So there's three things that are happening there. Number one she was listening where it's.

I believe that's just simply another way of speaking of the work of regeneration or what? Jesus says in John 6 44 that. But then a positive response. There was an act of faith. Three of those things had to happen.

She had to hear the preaching of the word God had to open her heart active faith and repent where it speaks of God in the exercise of his will of regeneration and so. Quickly say well if God has elected you he's elected you and it doesn't really matter how you respond.

That is not what script. That's why I believe is that God is the ultimate cause or the secondary causes of our choices, but our choices. You know our experience of choosing is the more tangible aspect of what is going on.

And we're not always aware of the ability guiding to direct. We do have a listener in Newville, Pennsylvania.

Susan who? Asks if there was a rebellion in heaven with Lucifer leading it. Proving that there were angels that had the ability to turn against God. How do we know that that will never happen today or in the future?

Well, that's it. I believe that. Yeah, and you're right though.

There isn't very much that would influence our thinking on that and Susan you have won a free copy of our guest book. What about free will? Reconciling our choices with God's sovereignty. The other classic passage that is a go-to Passage when having a debate or argument or discussion Hopefully don't lead to heated arguments, but sometimes they do.

None of us are perfect and we can lose our tempers even. Argument isn't a bad word if it's used correctly, right? You're right, but in Romans 3 10 through 18 when somebody is boasting about their free will you can say to them on the wait a minute.

Rome a Paul the Apostle. Paul says to the church in Rome. There is none righteous not even one. There is none who understands. There is none who seeks for God. All have turned aside together. They have become useless.

There is none who does good. There is not even one. Their throat is an open grave with their tongues. They keep deceiving. The poison of asps is under their lips. Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness?

Their feet are swift to shed blood. Destruction and misery are in their paths and the path of peace. They have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now very often a Person who rejects our understanding of the bondage of the will or total depravity will say that Paul is using hyperbolic language here that he is using an exaggerated form of poetry.

Just to drive the point home that men are generally wicked. But do you think that that is just Hyperbolic or should that be just taken literal as to what Paul is written here and then they will use as evidence.

That it's hyperbolic that there are people all around us who are not even Christian. Who are doing wonderful works of charity. Some? Non-christians are even In some ways in some sphere of life. They may put us to shame.

They may be better husbands than we are as Christians. They may be better employees or employers or citizens or neighbors or friends or siblings. They may be more generous and on and on and they are made not even born again.

And here is Paul saying that no one is even doing good or using is even capable of doing it. So, how do you reconcile that?

Yeah, well fact that Paul to suggest that every time he's quoting from very like language Jesus often used hyperbolic language in his teaching to determine whether that. You know, no one does. Well. We know that's not what Paul means because of the previous passage in chapter 2.

Instinctively the things of the law as people are familiar They believe that means is that no matter how good our deeds are What is the money you have to ask a question deep that he is not truly are short.

They fall the recognition.

The irony is when there are Fundamentalists who are in some points hyper literalists who will say that that's figurative language. They'll totally abandon ship on their own. We do have an anonymous listener who wants to know.

I have seen on the Internet individuals and churches who think that everyone who believes in a Arminian concept of free will is damned. Does your guest believe this?

Well, you know, I do not with us and yet they were from preached it. Actually. I heard the reverse actually. Satisfied with that. He said well. The reason why is because he will be so close to the throne of God.

And we not that we shall not see him now. Virgin acknowledged that even though John Wesley, yeah, because Spurgeon's.

Description. There was hyper hyper probolic.

My stepfather when he came into the knowledge of the doctrines of grace made a very interesting statement that He said it was almost like getting saved all over again. And you know I can't help but wondering if sometimes there may be incidents where people Because they aren't trusting in Christ when they become into the doctrines of grace.

They know they're trusting Christ that maybe that is a moment of conversion for many of them. Yeah, I.

Think that. Hmm. I think there's a great deal of humbling same time. I think that many Calvinists can be quite smug.

I.

Would hope that be challenged to think through some of the theology.

Now I think back to my well college days when I was a fundamentalist. The the main view back then what everybody would say about Calvinism. Because they had friends who were Calvinist. They didn't want to totally, you know disparage them, but they would say things like well You know Freewill and an election, of course, you know.

They're like the rails of a railroad track, you know, they they go on forever. They never meet but they you know at some point in heaven will understand it all. How would you address that kind of reasoning?

Yeah, I think it's a cop-out. You know, it's important that we study doctrine. It's important that we Understand these issues because it has a deep impact on the way we think about so many other doctrines Throughout my book.

I try to be very practical about how this Impacts the way we think about our sanctity, you know and obedient.

Yeah.

Christ how we think about of our salvation in terms of our eternal security. The person of your fifth point of classic tulip argument.

By the way anonymous Listener if you give me your full address and name I Assure you that I will not identify you on the air, but you will receive a free copy of Scott Christensen's book as well. We do have Joseph from Suffolk County, Long Island who wants to know how can you maintain your understanding of? freewill or the lack thereof without Finding God guilty of being an author of evil.

Yes, that is an extremely important question. I do address it a different one of the primary reasons why our minions of a free will because If the Calvinist view of God's sovereignty, he's got a sovereign over everything including but I think one of the most part of the story Behind just Joseph was sold into slavery By his brothers because they hated him as a prime minister of Egypt and Providentially meet their brother once again, and now he has great power and they stand before him in great 45.

Joseph is speaking with his brothers and he admits very clearly that they were at fault in Selling him and yet in the same breath. He says I want you to know though That God said and then the key Statement when they have one meant for evil some important understanding that number one there.

There are there's a dual explanation for the same event That event being the new slavery Which was an evil deed evil deed and yet God decreed That same evil events what they meant for you for good set forth for us.

God can't decree evil and yet he is not culpable for evil because he Every single purpose that God might has good in his and yet he can also.

And providentially our listeners name was Joseph so very appropriate. Text to go to and I want you. By the way, Joseph, you're getting a free copy of Scott Christensen's book as well. I want you to close the program pastor Scott with a summary.

You most want sorry about that. Well, you must want on to be etched in our hearts and minds the hearts and minds of our listeners. I'm still recovering from deafness after our co-host took off his His headphones and nearly deafened me completely impermanently.

But anyway, if you could give our listeners what you most want etched in on their hearts and minds before they leave today's show.

Yeah.

Well, it's been a joy and I knew that an hour was gonna go by like a bullet with the subject and I really hope That you could come back again. We would love to have you as a guest again to discuss this further and other issues Pastor Scott.

Well, it's my pleasure and I'm gonna repeat Pastor Scott Christensen's website address for Summit Lake Community Church. It's summit lake church dot org Summit Lake Church dot org and to get his book go to Cumberland Valley Bible book services Website and order it and mention iron sharpens iron.

The website is CV BBS comm. CV for Cumberland Valley BBS for Bible book service Comm. Thank you so much. Pastor Scott Christensen. We look forward to having you back. You're welcome and I hope our listeners will stay tuned because we have God-willing in a matter of Seconds joining us.

Dr. Ken Gentry who has formerly been a guest on iron sharpens iron and We are going to be discussing his book In which he defends a literal six-day creation a young earth Position on the creation account in Genesis as it is written in the Genesis Genesis account Or literary and Once again, if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own for dr Ken Gentry our email address here is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Ormson. If you just tuned us in our guest for the second hour is dr Ken Gentry and dr. Ken Gentry is the pastor of Living Hope Presbyterian Church in Green Greer, South Carolina.

And he is the author of a number of books today. We are discussing his latest book hot off the press from master books. It is titled as it is written the Genesis account Literal or literary. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back after a very long absence.

Iron to iron sharpens iron. Dr. Kenneth Gentry.

Good to be with you again, Chris. I appreciate the invite to come on board.

And I'd like to introduce you to my co-host who I don't know if the term fan is appropriate to use amongst Christians. Who are? But he I mean he comes very close to the borderline of worshiping you in a heretical manner.

But my guest reverend by I should say my co-host reverend buzz Taylor is absolutely enthralled With your work and it has benefited him greatly and I'll let you hear it from him in his own words reverend buzz Taylor.

Well, it's finally time. I spoke with you. Dr. Gentry.

Well, I'm glad to talk to you. I hope you don't use my name in vain or.

Very careful not to sometimes it when I'm talking to other people about subjects. It appears like it's in vain but. Definitely I to just soften what Chris said a little bit. I've read a lot of books and the ones I seem to hand out most are yours.

Why don't you tell our listeners which which are the ones you know, oh my goodness.

How way back to. Well, even your little one. Crucial issues regarding tongues. Okay, I've been dying to steal all that work from you but what it is is I find your books very very well organized and In fact, I'm gonna put a little bit of confession in here too that even when I was preaching I just could not reinvent the wheel.

So you're one of your books was actually a basis for a series of messages that I did and that was the Christian and alcoholic.

Beverages. Oh, yeah.

But of course, I've noticed over the years some of the titles have changed a little bit but your book God's law in the modern world and I think every person should be tied down and Forced to read he shall have dominion.