The Popes, Rachel Held Evans, Desiring God, Nabeel Qureshi on Unbelievable Mega Show

The Changing Claims of the Papacy and Roman Catholic Apologetics

And greetings welcome to the dividing line on a tuesday morning. I want to start off with the continued difficulties of our roman catholic apologist. Friends an article that i mentioned earlier didn't get a chance to address it came out.

Oh i don't know march 17th i think and it was a it's interesting. Well how do you how do you refer to pope benedict if he's not the pope anymore. Um i guess it's still pope benedict. And you've got pope francis.

And like i said i unless something unless francis dies suddenly uh i would guess he's gonna retire too. You could technically end up with three popes that would be interesting. Um but um there is just this obvious reality that you know benedict if some of you may not know this but the previous pope who's still alive benedict the 16th cardinal ratsinger was the head of what is the modern incarnation of the inquisition.

He was the vatican bulldog on dogma and at least you knew where he stood. I mean he had written all these books and uh all this kind of stuff and uh so he was a theologian and he spoke again. He you know he sort of did the uh the bush thing if you notice the bushes when they leave office just clam up they just uh and he got it as much as i'm not a big fan of the the bush uh clan uh you got to give them one thing it's very obvious that they are committed to the idea that once you've done your stint you know once you once you've been the president you um it doesn't matter if the next guy spends the next eight years ripping your face off uh you just grin and bear it.

Something tells me that's not how it's going to be in the future. I don't know about you but i i get the feeling i could be wrong but i get the feeling we're going to hear a lot a lot from former presidents you know.

Yeah we'll we'll see anyway uh that's sort of what uh benedict has done is you know mom's word francis it's it must be really difficult to be a roman catholic apologist today and have to get up every morning and work up within you the energy you're going to need to spin things to keep francis anywhere near orthodoxy.

I mean it just the the mental gymnastics and and the the effort to try to um explain how he can look at reporters and go well you know if a person's a homosexual who am i to judge i don't know maybe the head of the universal church you claim to be you know i don't know.

Uh you know and roman catholics like to say to be deep into church history is to cease to be protestant. Yeah well to be deep into the past hundred years of papal pronouncements is to cease believing that the current pope believes what they believe on really fundamental and foundational issues.

And so it's it's got to be a tough time you know i i don't i don't want to you know rejoice too much uh but but we do need to point out that the primary argument for many many years is oh you know the the unchanging infallible church you have all the vicissitudes and the and the changes within protestantism but come home to rome and everything will be all right and you'll have certainty of belief.

It's like yeah but it sort of depends on uh you know who frankie's talking to today uh as to what this thing is going to mean and it's thrown into you know at least in the past the pope would die and so it would be your interpretation of what the pope had said uh over against uh you know once it's written down anybody can go well he meant this or he meant that but the guy's still kicking.

So this is a this is you know it's been what 670 years what was it. I forget what it was um the last time a pope had resigned. So don't think anybody uh remembers that real. Well and uh so we have a pretty unique situation here and uh pope benedict gave a uh interview to uh avaniri a daily newspaper of the italian bishops conference.

Uh he says the missionaries of the 60. Well this is how. And it gives you an idea of how roman catholic life site news tends to be. Pope benedict reminds us of the formerly indispensable formally indispensable catholic conviction of the possibility of the loss of eternal salvation.

Or that people go to hell formally indispensable. So it's dispensable now. But it it wasn't before. So was a dogma then. But it's not a dogma now. Is that what we're being told. I guess. Anyway here's quote.

Um the missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever after the second vatican council. This conviction was definitely abandoned. What you know sort of makes me go.

So who was right. Because it's pretty obvious i mean it's not really even questionable. That's what the pope's taught. And they acted upon that. And unum sanctum seems to make that fairly clear. And you've got the extraclesia nullum solis concept.

And uh seems pretty obvious what it meant to them then. And it's not the same as what it means today. So then he says the result was a two-sided deep crisis. Without this attentiveness to this to salvation the faith loses its foundation.

Then the article goes on. He also speaks of a profound evolution of dogma. With respect to the dogma there is no salvation outside the church extraclesia nullus solis. This purported change of dogma has led in the pope's eyes to a loss of the missionary zeal in the church.

Any motivation for a future missionary commitment was removed. Well isn't that what we've been talking about. Haven't. Haven't we mentioned over and over again the fact that it does seem like the uh particularly zealous uh roman catholics you know who are out there come home to rome stuff.

They still still come home to rome stuff. But it's very it's very different than it used to be. It's it's hard to get roman catholics to debate anymore. I mean you know. Well debate me. Well well i don't i don't hear about a lot of them at all.

To be honest with you they sort of got the part of it is because now they have their ewtn and their book contracts and stuff like that. But i think a lot of it has to do with the the climate right now is such that i think i think the old pope the the poped pope the depoped pope.

Who knows. Yeah the pope emeritus. Yes. Yeah. But anyway um he um i think he's right. Any motivation for a future missionary commitment was removed. Yeah that seems to be. What's going on. Pope benedict asks the piercing question that arose after this palpable palpable change of attitude of the church.

Why should you try to convince the people to accept the christian faith when they can be saved even without it. Good question. And i've said over and over again i think the the vast majority of the magisterium the magisterium made up of the the leadership of the roman catholic church the magisterium the vast majority of bishops for example minimally are inclusivists and many i think are universalists.

There's a difference between inclusivism and universalism. They're all same flavor of ice cream. But uh there are there is a there is a slight difference. And i think it's obvious in europe places like that where liberalism has taken over tremendous amount of universalism and and at the very minimum inclusivism and universalism and inclusivism both are utterly destructive to christian proclamation of any kind at all.

Um it makes repentance and faith a better for you now. But hey not really you know if you live in a certain land for example i mean you want to see how it kills missions it results in the the secret christian stuff you know where if you're in a muslim land that it would cost you a lot to be a christian.

You know go to mosque. And and instead of you know in your mind be praying to jesus instead of to allah. You know. But but keep it just keep it here. Because it's all going to work out in the end it's all going to work out in uh as to the other consequences of this new attitude in the church catholics themselves and benedict benedict's eyes are less attached to their faith.

If there are those who can save their souls with other means why should the christian be bound to the necessity of the christian faith and its morality asked the pope. And he includes. But if faith and salvation are not any more interdependent even faith becomes less motivating.

But benedict also refutes both the idea of the anonymous christian as developed by karl ronner which that whole concept then is behind that whole missions thing i was just talking about as well as the indifferentist idea that all religions are equally valuable and helpful to attain eternal life.

Quote. Even less acceptable is the solution proposed by the pluralistic theories of religion for which all religions each in its own way would be ways of salvation and in this sense must be considered equivalent in their effects.

That's pretty much universalism. Um in this context he also touches upon the exploratory ideas that now deceased jesuit cardinal henry de lubach about christ putatively vicarious substitutions which have to be now again further reflected upon.

It's just it must truly uh be a difficult time for roman catholic apologists and keep this time in mind the next time one of these folks comes along and says oh look at what sola scriptura does. Well oh oh look at what sola papacy does.

Except now we don't have sola papacy. We have duo papacy and we can look right in front of us and go. Um hmm major difference here seems to be seems to be a difference here and and to watch people go.

Well no no it's you know it's not necessarily dogmatic and it's just it's just this and it's that and we all just sit there and go okay all right. So put the clutch in shift gears. Last year we mentioned briefly that uh mrs rachel held evans had uh finally uh done what she should have done long time ago and uh that was she was now attending an episcopalian church.

Now i need to mention that i have actually once i even did a seminar at an episcopalian church they were on their way to an anglican communion at that time of believing people because they recognized very clearly they couldn't stay there.

And while there may still be some episcopalians who for some reason haven't done what all the rest have done and jumped ship and gone to one of the anglican uh communions that are trying to be faithful to their own history and uh are sick and tired of being represented by robinson or by john shelby spong or these types of people who just obviously are not anywhere close to orthodox christians.

Um the denomination as a whole has abandoned the faith and did so a long time ago so it's not overly shocking when rachel held evans became a or at least started attending a episcopalian church. I don't know if she's joined or whatever that would involve i have no idea anyway um she it was like watching a car accident you know in in slow motion.

There's a reason why there are so many videos on youtube of um oh i don't know uh the real popular ones like uh trains hitting hitting vehicles at at that do stupid things at at crossings and try to get through the bars or or stop on the tracks because they were dumb or something.

Um and then they'll slow it down. And that's what it was sort of like watching rachel held evans when she was pretending to be some type of an evangelical everybody could tell that her commitment to scripture her fundamental and foundational beliefs were way out of whack long ago.

Um and many of us pointed that out. And of course all you you are unloving and you are narrow and blah blah blah blah. Well she recently reposted a article and i think it's important to to recognize it was entitled the false gospel of gender binaries.

The false gospel of gender binaries. And she starts off talking about a discussion with someone named adrian who said i'm intersex evangelicals don't have a category for me so there's no real place for me in their church.

And she provides the explanation. Intersex is a term used for a variety of conditions in which a person is born with a to fit the typical definitions of male or female. Now this is the this issue um comes up.

Well remember man it was uh almost a year ago now uh remember when i was on cnn last june a couple times and these are just simply arguments that you and i they just need to be second nature this need to be we we need to have thought through them clearly in our own mind formulated a response thought about what two or three of the most common rejoinders might be.

And we're ready that's that's what is required of us unless we're going to be absolutely silent in our culture today. And what what was brought up. Well you know i dared quote jesus male male and female created he them.

Well that's just silly uh because there are people who are born who are neither male nor female they have a genetic abnormality maybe two y chromosomes and an x chromosome or some sort of chromosomal damage at that particular point or various sundry things like that that there are.

I remember in genetics years and years ago and remember i i majored in biology in college long ago and uh uh one of my primary folk focuses it's not it's foci if they'd be plural but anyway one of my areas of study primarily was genetics.

Now hey that field has changed a lot um but a lot of the basics are still the same thankfully anyway. Um and we studied these various it wasn't a cultural issue yet um but we studied various of these uh genetic abnormalities and we're talking about an extremely extremely small percentage of people here extremely small percentage of people.

Um and so that is a there there is there is literally no meaningful connection between the recognition that there might be what maybe one-fifth of one percent at most of the human population that experiences this kind of genetic abnormality.

All genetic abnormalities are a part of the fall. We live in a fallen world and so there should be great desire to be of assistance to someone who has these genetic abnormalities just as there is uh for someone who's born with down syndrome though the vast majority of them are now murdered in the womb.

Um and i would imagine i don't have any numbers on this but my guess would be uh that i bet there is a even higher percentage of abortions when a genetic scan shows a abnormality in that area than there even is with down syndrome.

Um i bet. And it makes me makes me want to ask so many of these because you know the pro-abortion and things like that. So are you you saying that adrian here should have been aborted. Maybe you know uh anyway small small small percentage.

And there is no connection between someone who has two x chromosomes or an xy chromosome in other words has no genetic abnormalities is genetically male or genetically female. Then twisting those categories there's the whole idea of transsexualism the whole idea of then going into the whole homosexual issue from there makes connections where there are no connections that need to be at all.

And so people will start here. They'll start with the tiny exception and then use that to open the door to what we're seeing now where you have absolute cultural insanity where it is being said that the the moral thing to do in a culture is to do away with men's and women's bathrooms.

Just go wherever you want to go. When i think of what it means to tell a father to send his 13 year old daughter into a room where there may be a 45 year old genetically male man in states of undress or maybe even dressing as a female.

Um wow the the the common the abandonment of common sense the abandonment of common decency and the abandonment of the christian worldview that informed our laws and that sought to create a system of government that recognized the sinfulness of man.

Very very clear. Oh you you can't think that someone you can't think anyone would take advantage of that situation. Can you. Yes i can. Yes i can. The socialist goes. You know. Um anyway um there is no connection between this genetic reality and the sinful rebellious reality of 99 percent of transsexualism.

None at all. So with that though they've laid the foundation and she goes on to say adrian's words hurt my heart. Okay so now we got to bring the emotions and we got to got to start. You know let's start being emotional.

We don't. We don't want to use minds to think about this because minds will bring us common sense and minds will remind us of sin and minds remind us of evil and and all the practical stuff. No no. Um the the left functions on the supremacy of emotion.

So that logic can be banished. So you can mix categories. You can. You can ignore factual evidence. Over the past two years i've heard similar sentiments expressed by transgender christian people whose gender identities differ from what is associated with the sex they were assigned at birth.

I love this assigned at birth. Is that just because the doctor fills out a form. Is that what we mean by assigned at birth. Gender is assigned at conception. It's a natural thing. It's a scientific thing.

It's something you can you can you can take the the fetus at the earliest point of development. Once you have that fetus you can identify what sex that that that child is going to be. It's it's. It's a genetic reality.

The uniqueness of that individual's genetic code is fixed at the point of conception. So what does this mean assigned at birth. Then it goes on to say and of course by gay lesbian and bisexual christians that again notice there is so much logical rational difference between homosexuality.

That's one category bisexuality that's a different category. That's not the same thing as homosexuality. It isn't. They're both sexual confusions. They're both perversions of god's created order. But they're not the same kind of perversion.

And then transgenderism a whole new area. And we don't get anywhere when we go lgbt that's like putting together. That's that's like putting that's like that's like creating an acronym that would describe the political followers of putin trump and sanders.

Let's talk about the putin trump sanders party. What does that mean. It means nothing because they are all very different from one another. Though in some ways there might be some ah let's not get into that today.

Shall we let's let's leave that. And yeah yeah good got enough enemies right now don't need anymore let's dodge that one anyway. It doesn't. It does not help to actually understand the issues. When you cram these things together and try to create a community communities should be based upon some type of commonality.

And the only commonality here is sexual confusion. And you can create a community out of sexual confusion. Communities should be created out of something that's positive not something that's negative.

Well hey then again i had to take a different route to get to church sunday morning because of the uh pride parade uh in uh in phoenix uh which closed down the main route to our church and i had to go east and then down and blah blah blah.

Uh okay often i hear of childhoods plagued by bullying exclusion depression and fear all made worse when the churches that were supposed to love and care for them rejected them because they did not fit into rigid gender binaries.

And so here you go with the again let's let's not talk about the self-destruction that rebellion against god's ordained will creates in anybody. I mean let's not talk about the self-destruction that happens amongst heterosexuals when they wantonly overthrow god's law regarding the uh limitation of sexual behavior to marriage.

Let's not talk about any of that stuff because that just that you know there's just too much of that. It's not special. Let's just talk about this one where there's bullying exclusion depression and fear now.

Of course this is then allows the bullying that's now taking place by homosexuals evidently against anyone who will not rejoice in homosexuality. But we won't get into that. But again the point is let's let's get the emotions going.

Let's let's pull the heartstrings get the emotions going because that's got to be at full rev lest there be any thought that will recognize the common sense failures. God made male and female cultural warriors like the thunder.

No that was actually jesus. That did that there. That's a quotation of jesus and it reflects a fundamental world view foundation upon which jesus then answered a question regarding the nature of marriage.

Um that's not culture warriors. Now are there people who will repeat jesus's words who don't follow jesus. Sure. Are there people who repeat jesus's words because they want to use them as a bludgeon. Sure.

Why not. They're there. No question about any of that. But none of that changes the fact that any meaningful exegesis of matthew chapter 19 is going to show that jesus's worldview was based upon that.

Upon that foundation any deviation from traditional gender and sexuality norms represents a serious sin and threat to the gospel. Well i agree. But i certainly wouldn't stop there because i'm going to explain why it's a threat to the gospel.

Because it involves a fundamental if you if you say that you can be a christian who embraces and endorses these things then there's no longer any way to define the gospel anymore. There's no longer any way to work through the issue and say here are the biblical norms here's what by the bible actually says.

And of course once you get to episcopalianism they don't know what the bible says about anything anymore. Because they have they have no real faith that the bible is the word of god and that it communicates god's truth anymore.

That's what's allowed them to to do what they've done. That's what apostasy does. It's an ugly thing to see. But this claim is often punctuated by advocacy for rigid hierarchical gender roles based on stereotypes in which all men are described as being wired one way as providers leaders and fighters and all women are described as being wired another way as followers nurturers and homemakers.

Well we no one has ever blamed rachel held held evans for ever trying to be even semi-fair. I mean her writings are as biased and prejudiced as they can possibly be while pretending to not be that way.

My writings are very biased and prejudiced too i'm just open about it. I say right up front here's where i stand hold me to a level of consistency so on and so forth. Uh it doesn't mean i can then think i can misrepresent others which unfortunately i think she does think she can do that.

Um but what you what you get here is the idea that all men are supposed to uh play rugby outside the united states or american football. Um and all women are you know it's the ward and jude cleaver thing.

And we've let people get away with really with with a complete distortion here so much so that looking at the ward and jude june cleaver thing um is now meant as a means of mockery instead of going you know it was a simpler time.

Yeah but it was less violent time less confused time. In fact if you if you could have that type of situation an involved father an involved mother that really provided a stable home and it's a thing so why mock it.

Why why think that having two women at home is better than that. But the point is that they want to go. But the reality is not all men are the same and not all women are the same. Well no one is saying that they are.

But that does not create this this confusion of a gender spectrum where you get a bunch of people who inhabit the middle part. And certainly from a biblical perspective where do you get that. Where are the duties for the the middle spectrum laid out.

We we have clear exhortations to men and to fathers. We have clear exhortations to women and to mothers. Where's the middle. Well she's an episcopalian now she doesn't believe in the sufficiency of scripture anyways doesn't need to find it.

Scripture is not sufficient to answer these questions anyway. Which is why she should stop pretending. Well I guess I guess in a way she is starting stopping pretending anyway. While most people indeed have a heterosexual orientation identity and identify with a single gender that was assigned to them at birth conception it has become increasingly clear that this is not the case for everyone that gender and sexuality might better be understood as manifesting themselves along continuums with male female masculine feminine heterosexual homosexual existing at the poles but with a variety of identities orientations and expressions in between.

Sorry. But it just it's just so much the yale birkenstock liberal garbage that just gets repeated so often that the Bernie Sanders folks just take it. And I guess the Hillary Clinton folks just take it as a given.

Oh this is yeah that that's true. That's true. Like I said from a Christian worldview where do you get the middle part. Where are the duties for the middle. The middle people who are not to be fathers but they're not to be mothers either.

So what are they to be. Science and psychology. Science and psychology continue to confirm this is a reality. Those are her ultimate authorities with the American Psychological Association no longer characterizing variations in sexual orientation gender identity as disorders.

And we all know it was completely political. Everybody know. I mean there's no question that this was done under political pressure. And interestingly enough the academics amongst pediatricians just came out and made it very clear that the transgender garbage being foisted upon little children is child abuse.

And it is no question about it. Some common sense actually came out. But that'll be ignored and be changed very quickly. Give it time and the people who dare let that happen will be replaced and it'll it'll come out.

Well you know we didn't really mean it was child abuse. Because look these folks are totalitarians. They cannot cannot allow for any other viewpoint only warning the stigma stigmatization based on them can negatively affect mental health.

People do not typically choose their sexual orientations or gender identities the way one might choose to wear a watch or to take cream in their coffee. And again this is just it is just such the line.

There's there's not even anything new. There's nothing unique here. It's just that unfortunately uh this woman got a voice amongst believing christians. You know this is this is the wolf who having consumed sufficient sheep has gotten tired of wearing the wolf clothing and has taken the wolf clothing off and is sitting over amongst the wolves now.

Um and unfortunately still gets interviewed. Uh well tell us a little more about your time amongst the sheep. Uh and that's that's what's going on with it. Um most of my gay and lesbian friends recall feeling different from a young age.

No she even she says most i don't think it's most. I think it's a small percentage that can look you in the eye and say i've always had a same-sex attraction. The vast majority it is because of what happened to them.

Sinful realities in their own past. Some a lot due to abuse and the sin of others but a lot due to their own sinful rebellion. And all of us all of us can say well i experienced this when i was younger.

That when i was younger. Okay. Um and when you're told that you can use those things as excuses to blame everybody else and to then and be an excuse for your own rebellious behavior. Well anyway uh frightened of the prospect of being disowned by their from their families and cast out of their churches because of something they simply could not change or did not want to change.

Efforts intend to reverse sexual orientation through prayer and counseling once popular within evangelicalism have proven not only ineffective but destructive leading to multiple apologies from former leaders those movements.

We've looked at these particular individuals and of course again she's just shilling for the movement. She's just a full-blown gay advocate. And so there's no fairness here. There's there's no dealing with uh the number of people who have been healed of this there is no dealing with the people who have managed to um work through these issues and especially when there is a abuse situation through forgiveness and redemption and so on and so forth have been delivered from this lifestyle.

No discussion of them. And in fact there can't be discussion of them because from this perspective those people do not exist. If they exist then their entire paradigm is wrong. So you just doesn't happen.

Sadly for many lgbt christians and i'm sure she means that not just simply christians who experience same-sex traction but who openly avow these behaviors. And of course then again lgbt it's not same same-sex traction for all them.

Anyways those apologies came too late and the messages they received through conversion therapy led them into marriages based on secrets or tragically to suicide. So once again rather than recognizing that homosexuality demonstrates a fundamental disorder that can lead to suicide you blame it on somebody else.

I mean honestly i lay at the foot of the rachel held evans is the world and the lgbt quote-unquote christian movement the very thing they're trying to lay at the foot of the bible because the real issue is the fact that homosexuality is not natural it's not healthy it is self-destructive.

Just look at the life spans of acting practicing homosexual males in comparison to heterosexual males. And it's as obvious as a long but by distracting from that you are in fact endangering even more people.

And so i turn the accusation around. You want to say that believing the bible results in this i say to you the obvious evidences is the exact opposite of that that by encouraging this behavior you are the one who increases the number of people who are going to experience this self-destructive behavior.

Nearly all of us would fail to conform the generalizations made by the most strident complementarians. But intersex. Well and again that was a misrepresentation. But intersex people like adrian and lgbt people like those you might meet at the gay christian network you know them are truly are truly in the minority.

And they are and unfortunately they are considered subjected to stigmatization and marginalization by religious people who refuse to share bathrooms with them. Well wait a minute. Non-religious people i mean i share a bathroom with me most of the time.

When then within a family unit you might have to do things similar to that. But are you really telling me there is a religious duty to share a bathroom with someone who is of the physical opposite sex.

I love to see how you. Well it's it's out of that's not love. That's just dumb that that's that's not. Don't don't talk to me about love. Well but that's where they want to be. So to sexual predators.

So what. Oh but you're saying they're all. I didn't say they're all sexual predators. But there are many who are. So there's a common sense reason why we do what we do when it comes to such things as bathrooms.

There's common sense it doesn't matter whether religious or not religious has nothing to do with that. Oh but if you just love people. No if i just love people then i expect that to go two directions.

And i would expect an actual if you're talking about a christian who experiences same-sex attraction say let's just go the uh lgb lgb part maybe. Um i would expect them to put themselves out as the tiny minority so as to protect they should know they should know that by demanding that they can go walking into whichever bathroom they want they are opening the door for sexual predators and damage to be done to others.

So they should voluntarily do what they need to do to not force the 99 .95 percent of the population into a dangerous situation. It's self-centeredness. Abject self-centeredness that demands this of others.

Abject self-centeredness. It's demanding super rights. Didn't we see that in houston. Didn't we see that with the houston mayor. Super rights. We're gonna we're gonna. We're gonna get our rights at the cost of everybody else.

That's what's going on. Um who mock and ridicule them and compare them to pedophiles and idolaters. And who withhold money from charities that employ them. In other words you have to bow to the lgbt. You just you must shut up and bow down and embrace and celebrate.

Or you're a terrible horrible christian. You're an unloving person. That's what you're. That's for being told because you know what the withhold money from charities employ them thing was uh it was when a major christian uh ministry with overseas work announced that they were going to change their policy in regards to allowing homosexual couples to have benefits.

And we all rightly said so much for our donations. And we rightly did that. That's not wrongly. Don't let rachel held evans and the gay stoppo uh tell us to abandon common sense and biblical morality because that's what they're doing.

That's what they're doing. They're telling us you cannot in any way shape or form hold to any other view than this. Um christians are told that sharing civil liberties with lgbt people constitutes religious persecution.

You see the spin here. I mean it's not it's not even semi hidden. The idea is what society is going to give to others to encourage behavior. And a side is going to encourage behavior such as homosexuality or bisexuality or transgenderism.

Is a society that is not honoring what jesus taught about the roles of men and women. But they don't believe that there is a teaching of jesus about roles of men and women. That's the point that this is what theological liberalism and apostasy gets you.

It's not just a non-christian worldview. It ends up being an anti-christian worldview. There's no neutrality here. Apostates don't just become neutral like they don't care. You know this woman is an enemy of truth not just neutral about truth.

Um that sexual minorities should induce a gag reflex. Remember that. Do you remember who said that. Remember who got in a bunch of trouble for that the bd anya wheelie. And so there isn't any behavior that should cause.

I mean when how many years how many years before rachel held evans publishes a blog article wherein she says we should really examine our hearts about how horribly unloving we've been toward people who experience interspecies attraction.

How long how long what basis. I mean. Seriously the only basis i've ever heard these leftist loons come up with is well now i'm maybe some of you don't want to explain this to your kids. But it's coming but i'll warn you ahead of time.

This is the only explanation i've heard so far. You ready. Here's the only explanation that's been offered. It must be a consensual relationship. And the animal can't give consent. That's all they can come up with because they don't.

They don't have a worldview that defines human sexuality or mankind in such a way that there's that there's anything else they can say. They've got nothing else. So that's all they've come up with. It's it's non-consensual.

How long is it going to be before you you get the blog article. You know we've just been so unloving and so condemning. And i've met some people and they've talked to me about how you know it. Just this is all they've ever known.

And it's just the way god made them. And it's the it's a gift to them. And they've just been put they've been cast out. And we need to love these people. And how long somebody write it down. I'm asking on uh on april 5th of 2016.

How many years before we see that blog article. Good question. Good question. Um real quickly because i'm going really long here and i want to get to the uh some other stuff. The gospel of jesus christ is not so fragile as to be unpinned by the reality that variations in gender and sexuality exist.

Nor is it so narrow as to only be good news for people who look and live like ward and june cleaver. This glorification of gender binaries has become a dangerous idol in the christian community. For it conflates cultural norms with christian morality and elevates an ideal over actual people.

That is insanity being expressed in christian garb. It's insanity. I i have no respect for it. And i will not bow to anyone that demands i respect that kind of insanity. Why. Because it starts off talking about the gospel of jesus christ and it's being then used by a woman who can no longer define what that gospel is.

How dare you do that. It was jesus who gave us the sexual binary the gender binary. He's the one that said god made them male and female. It's it's been his intention it's been his purpose. It is good that god made men.

It is good that god made women. And they have roles. That's jesus speaking. Don't sit there and use his name and then deny what he taught. It's that is insanity and heresy cloaked in religious garb in religious terminology.