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and greetings welcome to the dividing line on a Tuesday morning I want to start off with the continued difficulties of our

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Roman Catholic apologist friends an article that I mentioned earlier didn't get a chance to address it came out oh

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I don't know March 17th I think and it was a it's interesting well how do you how do you refer to Pope Benedict if he's not the

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Pope anymore I guess it's still Pope Benedict and you've got

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Pope Francis and like I said I unless something unless Francis dies suddenly

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I would guess he's gonna retire too you could technically end up with three popes that would be interesting but there is just this obvious reality that you know

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Benedict if some of you may not know this but the previous Pope who's still alive

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Benedict the 16th Cardinal Ratzinger was the head of what is the modern incarnation of the

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Inquisition he was the Vatican Bulldog on dogma and at least you knew where he stood

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I mean he had written all these books and all this kind of stuff and he was a theologian and he spoke again he you know he started did the the

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Bush thing if you notice the bushes when they leave office just clam up they just and he got it as much as I'm not a big fan of the

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Bush clan you gotta get one thing it's very obvious that they are committed to the idea that once you've done your stint you know what you once you've been the president you it doesn't matter if the next guy spends the next eight years ripping your face off you just grin and bear it something tells me that's not how it's going to be in the future

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I don't know about you but I I get the feeling I could be wrong but I get the feeling we're going to hear a lot a lot from former presidents you know yeah well we'll see anyway that's sort of what

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Benedict has done is you know mom's word Francis it's it must be really difficult to be a

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Roman Catholic apologist today and have to get up every morning and work up within you the energy you're going to need to spin things to keep

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Francis anywhere near orthodoxy

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I mean it just the the mental gymnastics and and the the effort to try to explain how he can look at reporters and go well you know if a person's a homosexual who am

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I to judge I don't know maybe the head of the Universal Church you claim to be you know and Roman Catholics like to say to be deep into church history is to cease to be

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Protestant yeah well to be deep into the past hundred years of papal pronouncements is deceased believing that the current

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Pope believes what Abel on really fundamental and foundational issues and so it's got to be a tough time you know

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I I don't I don't want to you know rejoice too much but but we do need to point out that the primary argument for many many years is all you know the the unchanging infallible church you have all the vicissitudes and the and the changes within Protestantism but come home to Rome and everything will be alright and you'll have certainty of belief it's like yeah but it sort of depends on you know who

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Frankie's talking to today as to what this thing is gonna mean and it's thrown into you know at least in the past the

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Pope would die and so it would be your interpretation of what the

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Pope had said over against you know once it's written down anybody can go well he meant this or he meant that but the guy is still kicking so this is a this is you know it's been six hundred and seventy years what was it forget what it was the last time a

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Pope had resigned so don't think anybody remembers that real well and so we have a pretty unique situation here and Pope Benedict gave a interview to Avenir a daily newspaper of the

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Italian bishops conference he says the missionaries of the 60 well this is how and it gives you an idea of how

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Roman Catholic life site news tends to be Pope Benedict reminds us of the formally indispensable formally indispensable Catholic conviction of the possibility of the loss of eternal salvation or that people go to hell formally indispensable so it's dispensable now but it wasn't before so was a dogma then but it's not a dogma now is that what we're being told

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I guess anyway here's quote the missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever after the second

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Vatican Council this conviction was definitely abandoned what sort of makes me go so who was right because it's pretty obvious I mean it's not really even questionable that's what

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Pope's time and they acted upon that and unum sanctum seems to make that fairly clear and you've got the extra

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Ecclesia nolem solace concept and seems pretty obvious what it meant to them then and it's not the same as what it means today so then he says the result was a two -sided deep crisis without this attentiveness to this to salvation the faith loses its foundation then the article goes on he also speaks of a profound evolution of dogma with respect to the dogma there is no salvation outside the church extra

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Ecclesia no solace this purported change of dogma has led in the

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Pope's eyes to a loss of the missionary zeal in the church any motivation for a future missionary commitment was removed well isn't that what we've been talking about haven't haven't we mentioned over and over again the fact that it does seem like the particularly zealous Roman Catholics you know who are out there come home to Rome stuff they're still could still come home to Rome stuff but it's very it's very different than it used to be it's it's hard to get

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Roman Catholics to debate anymore I mean you know well debate me well well

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I don't I don't hear about a lot of them at all to be honest with you they sort of got the part of this because now they have their

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EWTN and their book contracts and stuff like that but I think a lot of it has to do with the the climate right now is such that I think

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I think the old Pope the the Pope to Pope the deep oak folk who knows yeah the

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Pope emeritus yes yeah but anyway he I think he's right any motivation for a future missionary commitment was removed yeah that seems to be what's going on Pope Benedict asks the piercing question that arose after this palpable palpable change of attitude of the church why should you try to convince the people to accept the

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Christian faith when they can be saved even without it good question and I've said over and over again

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I think the the vast majority of the Magisterium the

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Magisterium made up of the the leadership of the Roman Catholic Church the

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Magisterium the vast majority of bishops for example minimally are inclusivists and many

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I think are universalists there's a difference between inclusivism universalism they're all same flavor of ice cream but there are there is a there is a slight difference and I think it's obvious in Europe places like that where liberalism has taken over tremendous amount of universalism and at the very minimum inclusivism and universalism and inclusivism both are utterly destructive to Christian proclamation of any kind at all it makes repentance and faith a better for you now but hey not really you know if you live in a certain land for example

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I mean you want to see how it kills missions it results in this the secret Christian stuff you know where if you're in a

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Muslim land that it would cost you a lot to be a Christian go to mosque and and instead of you know in your mind be praying to Jesus instead of to Allah you know but but keep it just keep it here because it's all gonna work out in the end it's all gonna work out as to the other consequences of this new attitude in the church

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Catholics themselves and Benedict's eyes are less attached their faith if there are those who can save their souls with other means why should the

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Christian be bound to the necessity of the Christian faith and its morality asked the Pope includes but if faith and salvation are not any more interdependent even faith becomes less motivating but Benedict also refutes both the idea of the anonymous

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Christian is developed by Karl Rahner which that whole concept that is behind that whole mission thing

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I was just talking about as well as the indifferent test idea that all religions are equally valuable and helpful to attain eternal life quote even less acceptable as a solution proposed by the pluralistic theories of religion for which all religions each in its own way it would be ways of salvation and in this sense must be considered equivalent in their effects that's pretty much universalism in this context he also touches upon the exploratory ideas that now this is

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Jesuit Cardinal on read a little Bach about Christ putatively vicarious substitutions which have to be now again further reflected upon it's just it must truly be a difficult time for Roman Catholic apologists and keep this time in mind the next time one of these folks comes along and says oh look at what sola scriptura does well all look at what solar papacy does except now we don't have solar papacy we have duo papacy and we can look right in front of us and go hmm major difference here seems to be seems to be a difference here and and to watch but well no no it's you know it's not necessary dogmatic and it's just it's just this and it's that and and we all just sit there and go mm -hmm all right so put the clutch in shift gears last year we mentioned briefly that mrs.

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Rachel held Evans had finally done what she should have done long time ago and that was she was now attending an

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Episcopalian Church now I need to mention that I have actually once I even did a seminar in Episcopalian Church they were on their way to an

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Anglican Communion at that time of believing people because they recognized very clearly they couldn't stay there and while there may still be some

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Episcopalians who for some reason haven't done what all the rest have done and jump ship and gone to one of the

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Anglican Communions that are trying to be faithful to their own history and are sick and tired of being represented by Robinson or by John Shelby Spong or these types of people who just obviously are not anywhere close to Orthodox Christians the denomination as a whole has abandoned the faith and did so long time ago so it's not overly shocking when

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Rachel held Evans became a or at least started attending a

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Episcopalian Church I don't know if she's joined or whatever that would involve I have no idea anyway she it was like watching a car accident you know in slow motion there's a reason why there are so many videos on YouTube of oh

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I don't know the real popular ones like trains hitting hitting vehicles that do stupid things at crossings and try to get through the bars or stop on the tracks because they were dumb or something and then they'll slow it down and that's what it was sort of like watching

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Rachel held Evans when she was pretending to be some type of an evangelical. Everybody could tell that her commitment to scripture her fundamental and foundational beliefs were way out of whack long ago and many of us pointed that out and of course all you you are unloving and you are narrow and blah blah blah blah well she recently reposted a article and I think it's important to recognize it was entitled the false gospel of gender binaries the false gospel of gender binaries and she starts off talking about a discussion with someone named

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Adrian who said I'm intersex evangelicals don't have a category for me so there's no real place for me in their church and she provides the explanation intersex is a term used for a variety of conditions in which a person is born with a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn't seem to fit the typical definitions of male or female now this is the this issue comes up well remember man it was almost a year ago now remember when

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I was on CNN last June couple times and these are just simply arguments that you and I need to be second nature this need to be we we need to have thought through them clearly in our own mind formulated a response thought about what two or three of the most common rejoinders might be and we're ready that's that's what is required of us unless we're going to be absolutely silent in our culture today and what what was brought up well

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I dared quote Jesus male male and female created he them well that's just silly because there are people who are born who are neither male nor female they have a genetic abnormality maybe two

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Y chromosomes and an X chromosome or some sort of chromosomal damage at that particular point or various sundry things like that that there are

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I remember in genetics years and years ago and remember I I majored in biology in college long ago and one of my primary folk focuses it's not it's a foci if he'd be plural but anyway one of my areas of study primarily was genetics now hey that field has changed a lot but a lot of the basics are still the same thankfully anyway and we studied these various it wasn't a cultural issue yet but we studied various of these genetic abnormalities and we're talking about an extremely extremely small percentage of people here extremely small percentage of people and so that is a comp there there is there is literally no meaningful connection between the recognition that there might be what maybe one -fifth of 1 % at most of the human population that experiences this kind of genetic abnormality all genetic abnormalities are part of the fall we live in a fallen world and so there should be great desire to be of assistance to someone who has the genetic abnormalities just as there is for someone who's born with down syndrome though the vast majority of them are now murdered in the womb and I would imagine

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I don't have any numbers on this but my guess would be that I bet there is a even higher percentage of abortions when a genetic scan shows a abnormality in that area than there even is with down syndrome

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I bet and makes me makes me want to ask so many of these because you know the

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Episcopalians are known for primarily being pro -abortion and things like that so are you you saying that Adrian here should have been aborted maybe you know anyway small small small percentage and there is no connection between someone who has 2x chromosomes or an

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XY chromosome in other words has no genetic abnormalities is genetically male or genetically female then twisting those categories there's the whole idea of transsexualism the whole idea of then going into the whole homosexual issue from there makes connections where there are no connections that need to be made at all and so people will start here they'll start with the tiny exception and then use that to open the door to what we're seeing now where you have absolute cultural insanity where it is being said that the the moral thing to do in a culture is to do away with men's and women's bathrooms just go wherever you want to go when

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I think of what it means to tell a father to send his 13 -year -old daughter into a room where there may be a 45 -year -old genetically male man in states of undress or maybe even dressing as a female wow the the the common the abandonment of common sense the abandonment of common decency and the abandonment of the

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Christian worldview that informed our laws and that sought to create a system of government that recognized the sinfulness of man very very clear you can't think that someone you can't think anyone would take advantage of that situation can you yes

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I can yes I can the socialist goes anyway there is no connection between this genetic reality and the sinful rebellious reality of 99 % of transsexualism so with that though they've laid the foundation and she goes on to say

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Adrian's words hurt my heart ok so now we gotta bring the emotions and we gotta start you know let's start being emotional we don't we don't want to use minds to think about this because minds will bring us common sense and minds remind us of sin and minds remind us of evil and all the practical stuff no no the the left functions on the supremacy of emotion so that logic can be banished so you can mix categories you can ignore factual evidence over the past two years

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I've heard similar sentiments expressed by transgender Christian people whose gender identities differ from what is associated with the sex they were assigned at birth

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I love this assigned at birth is that just because the doctor fills out a form is that what we mean by assigned at birth gender is assigned a conception it's a natural thing it's a scientific thing it's something you can you can you can take the the fetus at the earliest point of development once you have that fetus you can identify what sex that that that child is going to be it's it's it's a genetic reality the uniqueness of that individual's genetic code is fixed at the point of conception so what does this mean assigned at birth then it goes on to say and of course by gay lesbian and bisexual

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Christians again notice there is so much logical rational difference between homosexuality that's one category bisexuality that's a different category that's not the same thing as homosexuality it isn't they're both sexual confusions they're both perversions of God's created order but they're not the same kind of perversion and then transgenderism a whole new area and we don't get anywhere when we go

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LGBT that's like putting together that's that's like putting to that's like that's like creating an acronym that would describe the political followers of Putin Trump and Sanders let's talk about the

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Putin Trump Sanders party what does that mean it means nothing because they are all very different from one another though in some ways there might be some let's not get into that today shall we let's let's leave that mm -hmm yeah yeah got enough enemies right now don't need any more let's dodge that one anyway it doesn't it does not help to actually understand the issues when you cram these things together and try to create a community communities should be based upon some type of commonality and the only commonality here is sexual confusion and you can create a community out of sexual confusion community should be created out of something that's positive not something that's negative well hey then again

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I had to take a different route to get to church Sunday morning because of the pride parade in in Phoenix which closed down the main route to our church and had to go east and then down and blah blah blah okay often

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I hear of childhoods plagued by bullying exclusion depression and fear all made worse from the churches that were supposed to love and care for them rejected them because they did not fit into rigid gender binaries and so here you go with the again let's let's not talk about the self -destruction that rebellion against God's ordained will creates in anybody

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I mean let's not talk about the self destruction happens amongst heterosexuals when they wantonly overthrow

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God's law regarding the limitation of sexual behavior to marriage let's not talk about any of that stuff because that just that does you know that there's just too much of that it's not special let's just talk about this one where there's bullying exclusion depression and fear now of course this is then allows the bullying that's now taking place by homosexuals evidently against anyone who will not rejoice in homosexuality but we won't get into that but again the point is let's let's get the emotions going let's let's pull the heartstrings get the emotions going because that's got to be a full rev lest there be any thought that will recognize the common -sense failures

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God made male and female cultural warriors like to thunder no that was actually

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Jesus that did that there that's a quotation of Jesus and it reflects a fundamental worldview foundation upon which

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Jesus then answered a question regarding the nature of marriage that's not culture warriors now are there people who will repeat

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Jesus's words who don't follow Jesus sure are there people who repeat

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Jesus's words because they want to use them as a bludgeon sure why not there there no question about any of that but none of that changes the fact that any meaningful exegesis of Matthew chapter 19 is going to show that Jesus's worldview was based upon that upon that foundation any deviation from traditional gender and sexuality norms represents a serious sin and threat to the gospel well

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I agree but I certainly wouldn't stop there because I'm going to explain why it's a threat to the gospel because it involves a fundamental if you if you say that you can be a

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Christian who embraces and endorses these things then there's no longer any way to define the gospel anymore there's no longer any way to work through the issue and say here are the biblical norms here's what by the

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Bible actually says and of course once you get to Episcopalian ism they don't know what the Bible says about anything anymore because they have they have no real faith that the

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Bible is the Word of God and that it communicates God's truth anymore that's what's allowed them to to do what they've done that's what apostasy does it's an ugly thing to see but this claim is often punctuated by advocacy for rigid hierarchical gender roles based on stereotypes in which all men are described as being wired one way as providers leaders and fighters and all women are described as being wired another way as followers nurturers and homemakers well we no one has ever blamed

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Rachel held at held Evans for ever trying to be even semi -fair I mean her writings are as biased and prejudiced as they can possibly be while pretending to not be that way my writings are very biased and prejudiced too

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I'm just open about it I say right up front here's where I stand hold me to a level of consistency so on and so forth it doesn't mean

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I can then think I can misrepresent others which unfortunately I think she does think she can do that but what you what you get here is the idea that all men are supposed to play rugby outside the

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United States or American football and all women are you know it's the ward and Jude Cleaver thing and we've let people get away with really with with a complete distortion here so much so that looking at the word and Jude June Cleaver thing is now meant as a means of mockery instead of going you know there's a simpler time yeah but it was less violent time less confused time in fact if you if you could have that type of situation an involved father an involved mother

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I really provided a stable home and it's a great thing so why mock it why think that having two women at home is better than that but the point is that they want to go but the reality is not all men are the same and not all women are the same well no one is saying that they are but that does not create this this confusion of a gender spectrum where you get a bunch of people who inhabit the middle part and certainly from a biblical perspective where do you get that where are the duties for the the middle spectrum laid out we have clear exhortations to men and to fathers we have clear extort exhortations to women and to mothers where's the middle well she's an

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Episcopalian now she doesn't believe in the sufficiency of Scripture anyways doesn't need to find it Scripture is not sufficient to answer these questions anyway which is why she should stop pretending well

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I guess I guess in a way she is starting stopping pretending anyway while most people indeed have a heterosexual orientation identity and identify with a single gender that was assigned them at birth conception it has become increasingly clear that this is not the case for everyone that gender and sexuality might better be understood as manifesting themselves along continuum with male female masculine feminine heterosexual homosexual existing at the poles but with a variety of identities orientations and expressions in between sorry but it just it's just so much the

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Yale Birkenstock liberal garbage that just gets repeated so often that the

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Bernie Sanders folks just take it and I guess the Hillary Clinton folks just take it as a given oh this is that that that's true that's true like I said from a

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Christian worldview where do you get the middle part where were the duties for the middle the middle people who are not to be fathers but they're not to be mothers either so what are they to be science and psychology science and psychology continue to confirm this as a reality those are her ultimate authorities with the

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American Psychological Association no longer characterizing variations and sexual orientation gender identity as disorders and we all know it was completely political everybody know

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I mean there's no question that this was done under political pressure and interestingly enough the academics amongst pediatricians just came out and made it very clear that the transgender garbage being foisted upon little children is child abuse and it is no question about it some common sense actually came out but that'll be ignored and be changed very quickly give it time and the people who dared let that happen will be replaced and it'll it'll come out well you know we didn't really mean it was child abuse because look these folks are totalitarians they cannot cannot allow for any other viewpoint only warning the stigmata stigmatization based on them can negatively affect mental health people do not typically choose their sexual orientations or gender identities the way one might choose to wear a watch or to take cream in their coffee and again this is just it is just such the line there's there's not even anything new there's nothing unique here it's just that unfortunately this woman got a voice amongst believing

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Christians you know this is this is the wolf who having consumed sufficient sheep has gotten tired of wearing the wolf clothing and it's taken the wolf clothing off and is sitting over amongst the wolves now and unfortunately still gets interviewed well tell us a little more about your time amongst the sheep and that's that's what's going on with it most of my gay and lesbian friends recall feeling different from a young age notice even she says most

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I don't think it's most I think it's a small percentage that can look you in the eye and say

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I've always had a same -sex attraction the vast majority it is because of what happened to them sinful realities in their own past some a lot due to abuse and the sin of others but a lot due to their own sinful rebellion and all of us all of us can say well

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I experienced this when I was younger that when I was younger okay and when you're told that you can use those things as excuses to blame everybody else and to then and be an excuse for your own rebellious behavior well anyway frightened of the prospect of being disowned by their from their families and cast out of their churches because of something they simply could not change or did not want to change efforts intend to reverse sexual orientation through prayer and counseling once popular than evangelicalism have proven not only ineffective but destructively into multiple apologies from former leaders those movements we've looked at these particular individuals and of course again she's just shilling for the movement she's just a full -blown gay advocate and so there's no fairness here there's there's no dealing with the number of people who have been healed of this there is no dealing with the people who have managed to work through these issues and especially when there is a abuse situation through forgiveness and redemption and so on so forth have been delivered from this lifestyle no discussion of them and in fact there can't be discussion of them because from this perspective those people do not exist if they exist then their entire paradigm is wrong so you just don't have sadly for many

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LGBT Christians and I'm sure she means that not just simply Christians who experience same -sex attraction but who openly avow these behaviors but of course then again

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LGBT it's not same same -sex attraction for all them anyways those apologies came too late and the messages they received through conversion therapy led them into marriages based on secrets or tragically to suicide so once again rather than recognizing that homosexuality demonstrates a fundamental disorder that can lead to suicide you blame it on somebody else

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I mean honestly I lay at the foot of the Rachel held

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Evans is the world and the LGBT quote -unquote Christian movement the very thing they're trying to lay at the foot of the

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Bible because the real issue is the fact that homosexuality is not natural it's not healthy it is self -destructive just look at the life spans of acting practicing homosexual males in comparison to heterosexual males and it's it's as obvious as a day as long but by distracting from that you are in fact endangering even more people and so I turn the accusation around you want to say that believing the

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Bible results in this I say to you the obvious evidences is the exact opposite of that that by encouraging this behavior you are the one who increases the number of people who are going to experience this self -destructive behavior nearly all of us would fail to conform the generalizations made by the most strident complementarians but intersects well and again that was a misrepresentation but intersects people like Adrian and LGBT people like those you might meet at the gay

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Christian Network you know them are truly are truly in the minority and they are and unfortunately they are considered subjected to stigmatization and marginalization by religious people who refuse to share bathrooms with them well wait a minute non -religious people

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I mean I share a bathroom with me most the time when then within a family unit you might have to do things similar to that but are you really telling me there is a religious duty to share a bathroom with someone who is of the physical opposite sex

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I love to see how you well it's out of that's not love that's just dumb that that's that's not that don't don't talk to me about love well but that's where they want to be so to sexual predators so what oh but you're saying they're all

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I didn't say they're all sexual predators but there are many who are so there's a common -sense reason why we do what we do when it comes to such things as bathrooms there's common sense it doesn't matter whether religious or not religious has nothing to do with that oh but if you just love people no if I just love people then

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I expect that to go two directions and I would expect an actual if you're talking about a

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Christian who experiences same -sex attraction say let's just go with the

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LGB LGB part maybe I would expect them to put themselves out as the tiny minority so as to protect they should know they should know that by demanding that they can go walking into whichever bathroom they want they are opening the door for sexual predators and damage to be done to others so they should voluntarily do what they need to do to not force the 99 .95

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% of the population into a dangerous situation it's self -centeredness abject self -centeredness that demands this of others abject self -centeredness it's demanding super rights didn't we see that in Houston didn't we see it with the

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Houston mayor super rights we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna get our rights at the cost of everybody else that's what's going on who mock and ridicule them and compare them to pedophiles and idolaters and who withhold money from charities that employ them in other words you have to bow to the

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LGBT you just you must shut up and bow down and embrace and celebrate or you're a terrible horrible

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Christian you're an unloving person that's what you're best for being told because you know what the withhold money from charities employ them thing was it was when a major Christian ministry with overseas work announced that they were going to change their policy in regards to allowing homosexual couples to have benefits and we all rightly said so much for our donations and we rightly did that that's not wrongly don't let

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Rachel held Evans and the gay stop oh tell us to abandon common sense and biblical morality because that's what they're doing that's what they're doing they're telling us you cannot in any way shape or form hold to any other view than this

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Christians are told that sharing civil liberties with LGBT people constitutes persecution you see the spin here

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I mean it's not it's not even semi hidden the idea is what society is going to give to others to encourage behavior and a side is going to encourage behavior such as homosexuality or bisexuality or transgenderism is a society that is not honoring what

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Jesus taught about the roles of men and women but they don't believe that there is a teaching of about roles of men and women that's the point that this is what theological liberalism and apostasy gets you it's not just a non -christian worldview it ends up being an anti -christian worldview there's no neutrality here apostates don't just become neutral like they don't care you know this woman is an enemy of truth not just neutral about truth that sexual minorities should induce a gag reflex remember that you remember who said that remember who got in a trouble for that the beady on your wheelie and so there isn't any behavior that should cause it

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I mean when how many years how many years before Rachel held

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Evans publishes a blog article wherein she says we should really examine our hearts about how horribly unloving we've been toward people who experience interspecies attraction how long how long what basis

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I mean seriously the only basis I've ever heard these leftist loons come up with is well now

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I'm maybe some of you don't want to explain this to your kids but it's coming I'll warn you ahead of time this is the only explanation

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I've heard so far you ready here's the only explanation has been offered it must be a consensual relationship and the animal can't give consent that's all they can come up with because you don't have a worldview that defines human sexuality or mankind in such a way that there's that there's anything else they can say they've got nothing else so that's all they've come up with it's it's non -consensual how long is it gonna be before you you get the blog article you know we've just been so unloving and so condemning and I've met some people and they've talked to me about how you know it just this is all they've ever known and it's just the way

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God made them and it's the it's a gift to them and they've just been put they've been cast out and we need to love these people and how long somebody write it down I'm asking on on April 5th of 2016 how many years before we see that blog article good question good question real quickly because I'm going really long here and I want to get to the some other stuff the gospel of Jesus Christ is not so fragile as to be unpinned by the reality that variations in gender and sexuality exist nor is it so narrow as to only be good news for people who look and live like Ward and June Cleaver this glorification of gender binaries has become a dangerous idol in the

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Christian community for it conflates cultural norms with Christian morality and elevates an ideal over actual people that is insanity being expressed in Christian garb it's insanity

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I have no respect for it and I will not bow to anyone that demands

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I respect that kind of insanity why because it starts off talking about the gospel of Jesus Christ and it's being then used by a woman who can no longer define what that gospel is how dare you do that it was

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Jesus who gave us the sexual binary the gender binary he's the one that said

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God made them male and female it's it's been his intention it's been his purpose it is good that God made men it is good that God made women and they have roles that's

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Jesus speaking don't sit there and use his name and then deny what he taught it's that is insanity and heresy cloaked in religious garb in religious terminology and I will not respect it that's the big thing that well every perspective needs to be respected no it doesn't no it does not that is insanity itself morally ethically

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I mean there are his you know do you do you the people who deny the

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Holocaust should that be respected as a historical view of course not it's absurdity when you've got the videos when you've got the pictures when you have the eyewitness testimony

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I don't respect that so why when it comes to religion does everything have to be respected no not gonna respect it not gonna do it the glorification of gender binaries in other words the recognition of the authority of the

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Lord Jesus Christ over his own creation to define men and women is rejected by Rachel held

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Evans and all of her fellow apostates so as to promote that which is destructive amongst the people of God that's what needs to be understood about what she has to say and I well know that this kind of statement no matter how

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I can back it up no matter how many times I have backed it up in debate it with all sorts of kinds of argumentation will not be allowed by the totalitarians for long

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I'm actually personally surprised that we have been allowed to say these types of things as long as we have and I have a feeling that this

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November or maybe January depending on how you want to put it but I have a feeling this next election in all probabilities will accelerate the day when these type of statements simply cannot be made that freedom of speech which we have taken so for granted

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I just don't see how it's gonna continue to be anyway there's much more to be said here but I I just notice at the end of this drivel and that's all

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I can describe it is just pure incoherent unbiblical heretical drivel finally be sure to check out dr.

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David gushy's recent lecture at the Reformation project entitled ending the teaching of contempt against sexual minorities yeah and make sure to also note the what five or six hour response we provided to it taking it apart biblically at every single point they never they never note the responses no no and as we've noted

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David gushy has declined all challenges to defend his position in meaningful debate against those who would actually identify it for what it is so with that really really bad open apostate promotion of falsehood

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I want to shift gears but stay in the same subject and look at an article that appeared well this was well no this didn't come out yesterday this was this is when

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I added it but I don't know what the date on it was it was fairly recently I saw it just a few weeks ago so I'm not sure what the date is well actually

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I bet you this would bring it up for me this is yeah here it is this is on the desiring

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God org website so this is this Wow really oh never mind never mind and I'm looking at the wrong one there is a writer for the desiring

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God website by name of Nick Rowan right as I was leaving to get here this morning so let barely a little over an hour ago and I did not have time to follow through it

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I received a an email with some more information about Nick Rowan because I had announced you know there's something about this article that bothered me and my correspondent was kind enough to lay out he had taken this time to listen to a sermon that Nick Rowan had preached to give me some background on this individual and he is an individual who experiences same -sex attraction and he's writing for John Piper's blog on issues of same -sex attraction and there was an article here it is that came out the 28th of March by Nick Rowan on the desiring

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God website homophobia has no place in the church and as I read it

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I there was just something about it

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I could agree with almost everything it was saying but at the same time it troubled me it troubled me and so I wanted to work through it you know this guy's not a

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Rachel held Evans we've watched her apostasy in many things for a long time but here's what says young man

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I appreciate your message but you need to realize that most gay people are dangerous predators I just finished sharing about my experience with same -sex attraction at a church in the heart of Wisconsin an elder man elderly man tracked me down after the service these were the first words out of his mouth

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I was taken aback and asked him to clarify it turns out that a gay man made a pass at him many years ago when he was in the military and it caused him to view all gay people as sexually aggressive and dangerous his view of the homosexual community was defined almost exclusively by a single experience and fear there was the first there was the first problem for me this is a

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Christian minister and I know it has become so ubiquitous that we all fall into it but I don't believe there is such a thing as a homosexual community there's certainly no community there's no certain certainly no

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LGBT community because there is so much of a difference between each one of those that it doesn't create community so his view of the homosexual community does this pastor who experiences same -sex attraction view himself as part of the homosexual community see

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I would have an instant problem with anyone who identifies themselves as a Christian and as a part of the homosexual community there's there's no there's no connection between the two if you experience same -sex attraction then that is something to be fought not celebrated that is something to be mortified not well

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I'm using the term sanctified here doesn't work but there would be some people who would say it that's what you need to do it's something that needs to be mortified and recognized as a disordered desire and this is going to come up here so I might as well talk about right now what is a disordered desire it's a desire to engage in activities that are fundamentally opposed to the order that God has created in his own universe so bestiality pedophilia incest homosexuality these would all be disordered desires because the actual action is not a natural action how is that different than a than a lustful thought toward a woman by a man is there a sense in which for example for a married man a desire for another woman is disordered well yes in the sense that it's sinful but no in the sense that heterosexual relationships is not a disordered relationship so it's it's a desire for something that's sinful but not simply disordered and that distinction is unfortunately

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I think lost for a lot of people today it came up it came up a bit in the not so much debate dialogue discussion with Justin Lee it came up very briefly

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I if I recall correctly last year in the cross -examination with Graham Codrington in Johannesburg but it is an area of disagreement there are there there are some who would say that and we're getting into it here that same -sex attraction itself is not sinful but acting on it is but I think you have to differentiate between disordered desires and natural desires out of limits from God's perspective

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I am not to I am

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NOT to covet my neighbor's possessions but it's not a disordered desire to think that well

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I was gonna use a car example but honestly I've just never been a big car guy and so I'd probably come up with the wrong kind of car but I'm a cyclist okay and there are you know the top -end bikes these days are around $10 ,000 some go above that digital shifting you can pick it up like this all carbon the rims are just you know all this kind of stuff and once in a while I'll be out and you know like a week and a half ago so or so ago

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I was out it was a really windy day I was about to turn into the wind well I saw a group of about eight guys coming my direction smart person

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I turned around in front of them let them catch me let them break the wind man I'm gonna

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I'm gonna get it I'm gonna I'm gonna draft well some of them had bikes that were a lot nicer than mine a lot nicer than mine much more expensive than mine the

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Bible says I'm not to covet my neighbor's possessions so I should not covet a brand -new

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Cannondale Evo super six with the electronic shifting and carbon rims and all that kind of stuff

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I should not allow that to make me unhappy that I have a used bike that I got as a rental return it's still more bike than I can handle but there are some people you all know who will become so fixated upon something that their happiness is dependent upon the eventual obtaining of that object and until then they're unhappy however if I were to be given a bike like that if I were to be able to buy a bike like that there would not be anything wrong in my possessing a brand -new

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Cannondale super six Evo there's nothing wrong with possession of something like that it's the inordinate desire that becomes sinful but the twistedness of same -sex attraction bestiality pedophilia incest all the different that you can that scripture itself identifies as completely out of bounds not because it's excessive but because it involves a confusion it's to a va it's an abomination it it it twists the categories of God's very creation that's different that's different that's a different kind of longing or desire and so a same -sex attraction needs to be mortified and unfortunately that's a term that isn't used much anymore means to be put to death it needs to be something that is not celebrated but is something that has to be dealt with on a daily basis so with that having been said

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I have a fear as well my fear is that homophobia is all too common not just a society but even within the church some may object to my use the word homophobia it can sometimes be used as a politically loaded term wielded to silence any and all opposition to same -sex sexual activity however this is not the root definition of the term simply put homophobia means a fear of homosexuality and more specifically homosexual people now again

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I stop there and I go I have a serious problem with a Christian who calls himself a homosexual if you want to be open about your experience of of same -sex attraction that's one thing but homosexual means you're allowing that to define who you are and as a

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Christian I just can't see how that happens Christians that's like saying that there are anger

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Christians there are gluttony Christians there you know just go down the list where you are defined by a sinful attitude or orientation when when when have

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Christians ever allowed their identity to be defined in this way and it well but this is sexual identity and that's much more basic Wow again

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I think that's imbibing a very modernist perspective and that doesn't come from a

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Christian worldview I don't care what type what time period in the history of the church sexuality is never defined mankind in that way in the way that identity in does so I just I really struggle with that idea and while it's not the same as loving biblical opposition to certain behaviors or beliefs this fear -based attitude often leads to unhelpful stereotypes prejudice and even cruel mistreatment so let's call a spade a spade homophobia exists it has no place in the church well

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I still am concerned about this use this term because it does seem anyway

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I just explained that no doubt some who feel convicted will push back well

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I don't think that all gay people are dangerous predators so I'm not homophobic however homophobia can often take subtler even sinister forms for example homophobia can subtly infiltrate not only our beliefs but also our reasons for these beliefs these principles might themselves be correct and godly but they can be believed for all the wrong reasons this is interesting because here ignorance becomes the breeding ground for homophobia and this is the part

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I really wanted to get to and I realize I've already gone over an hour but that's okay honestly consider your own heart in the following examples this is what

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I really wanted to zero in on is your belief that same -sex sexual activity is sin based finally on solid biblical exegesis or is it really based on the fact that you don't understand how someone can be attracted to the same sex and this unknown seems to you just plain creepy well if you've been listening this program very long if you've watched the debates if you've read the same -sex controversy hopefully you can very honestly answer the first part of this question with a resounding yes it is based finally on solid biblical exegesis but let's be honest for a lot of folks it's not based upon solid biblical exegesis

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I mean part of one of my primary presentations on this subject is to admit that I graduated from seminary and I could not have told you

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I could not have given you an even semi complete list of relevant biblical texts that dealt with this subject of course that was a long time ago but that's the reality and so I think there are a lot of people who believe the

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Bible condemns homosexuality but they're not exactly certain as to why they're not exactly certain as to the exegesis of the texts but notice the false dichotomy being brought up here

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I think that it's natural for any human being to believe that same sex sexual activity is just plain creepy it is it's unhealthy it's it's unclean it's inappropriate it's damaging so why make this dichotomy well

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I think that well if you don't have the exegesis down then there's something wrong in you're still opposing homosexuality and finding it to be unnatural it is unnatural there's no question about that well

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I know there is today you can't even talk about it not even allowed to say it but it is it does not promote human flourishing that's just a fact

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I'm not gonna get into all the details but if you want to do some reading you can find the rest of it number next next bullet point is your opposition to same -sex marriage based on a principled biblical definition of marriage or is it more influenced by fear that same -sex couples might signal the unraveling of a comfortable cultural norms of comfortable cultural norms and usher in the end of a once pristine judeo -christian society this is where I where I really went what what what once pristine judeo -christian society what are you talking about this is where you completely lost me and like whoever thought there is ever a once pristine judeo -christian society

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I mean this is trying to create false dichotomies now and very obviously or maybe your fear is more that one such couple might move in next door and you might actually be pressured to befriend them where's the next

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I mean everyone needs to have the principled biblical definition of marriage okay that needs to be there that's what we were just talking about Matthew 19 and so on so forth definitely needs to be there but this pushing of a false dichotomy um is really troubling to me on John Piper's website it's really really this is very very troubling um what do you mean you might actually be pressured to befriend them um there is all the difference in the world between being friendly to your neighbors no matter who they are what their religion is and exposing your children to sexual perversity and you have to be able to tell which is which um if you have young children what's your primary duty if you have if you're an older person if you're an older couple you may be in a completely different situation than a younger couple with children

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I think of Rosaria Butterfield and she talks about how an older couple accepted her as she was and just ministered to her but never compromised they didn't necessarily come marching next door and say you need to sit down and let me explain to you what

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Romans 1 says about homosexuality but neither did they compromise and this is this is a place that needs a tremendous amount of wisdom and I just don't think that creating these false dichotomies and putting people under pressure that somehow you are to open the door to your young people then again they live in this society it's going to be all over the place but there's a vast difference between it being out there and in here and we've got to learn how to minister to people the love of Christ without at the same time communicating an acceptance of the very behaviors that nailed him to the cross and we live in a society where our definition of love anymore is not a biblical definition of love at all and that that concerns me that concerns me here does your opposition homosexual practice include the ability to lovingly welcome

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LGBT people into a Sunday service or other gathering with other

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Christians and here's where it gets really confusing again I don't find LGBT to be useful and I would have a problem with someone

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I would have a problem with a six foot three guy with a day's growth of beard in a wig and a mini skirt in the

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Sunday service yes I would have a problem with that why because there's no evidence of repentance here this is a place where you worship

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God in purity and holiness the church is not a cultural rest stop and so a person struggling with sexual confusion who wants to hear the word of God and is then willing to do so without drawing attention themselves and distracting from the worship of the people of God great but someone who wants to make a spectacle of themselves and completely destroy the service no and if you don't have a meaningful ecclesiology understanding of the function of the church then you're not going to have any way of answering that question

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I guess or you can answer it very differently but what do you mean when it says into a

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Sunday service or other gathering with other Christians what do you mean who are you including in the other Christians why is that phrase other

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Christians there are you are you affirming and I don't know these questions seemed to me to artificially create dichotomies that don't have to be there so are you saying that there are transgendered

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Christians who are not repentant of their transgenderism or are not seeking to mortify their sexual confusion how about bisexuals how about homosexuals lesbians are you are you simply saying that there are

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Christians who experience this very I think it's a very small number but there are Christians who experience same -sex attraction and seeking to mortify those things or are you talking about people who are actually expressing those behaviors and are not willing to repent of them there's obviously again that's why the

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LGBT thing is just completely worthless because there's a vast difference between every one of those things every one of those phrases or does opposition for you mean that you wish they would stay away just stay away try us again wish they would just stay away so you aren't made uncomfortable by by their very presence to see no option provided here for a principled concern about the disruption of the worship of God in the church by someone making a display of their sexuality

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I would think that would be something that needs to be in there too right I mean that attitude is not a good attitude but make that the only other option grossly false dichotomy that creates the very thing he's trying to insist is all over the place that's what really bothered me in standing for Christian sexual ethics do you encourage and support those

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SSA believers oh uh SSA believers within the church who are striving to remain faithful to biblical teaching by welcoming them into full participation in church life at least he didn't say homosexual

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I would be much more comfortable with believers who are struggling against same -sex attraction could we could we go there could we could we use that what does it mean welcoming them into full participation in church life well

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I think for this fellow it's fairly straightforward my understanding is he's pastoring a church as someone who openly says

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I struggle with same -sex attraction I don't know what he says about whether it's a disordered desire

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I don't know but I'm pretty honest with you I'm not sending my kids to him for marital counseling oh well do you do you think all all pastors are sinful sinlessly perfect no

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I don't I'm not I'm not I've said over and over again every single one of us is sexually broken

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I get that every single married Christian man who experiences lustful thoughts after another woman that is sexual brokenness

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I get that but it's a natural desire to have sex with a woman on the part of a man it is not a natural desire to have sex with a man on the part of a man and that goes back to what

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I was saying before fundamentally disordered desires how is this different from pedophilia how is this different from bestiality oh don't get mad at me get mad at Moses he's the one that addressed them all at the same time and if your first thought when

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I said that was well he didn't know what we know today you just expressed your understanding of scripture you just expressed your understanding of scripture and that's why

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I did it the way I did it so when you mean full participation what do you mean if this is a person who says this is sinful

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I reject it and seek to mortify it and desire the assistance of the people of God in resisting that full participation in what sense leadership certainly the life of the body encouragement yeah but when you say full participation it sounds like what you're saying is that cannot be factored into the thinking of the leadership of the church as to what functions this person can have within the church are you going to say are you are you saying that you're demanding that a person who comes to the eldership and says

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I experience same -sex attraction should at the same time be able to say and therefore I should be a

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Sunday school teacher to the teenage boys group you saying that the elders should not take that in consideration

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I hope not I hope not but I can't tell or does staying for biblical sexuality mean that they can come to church but they can't grow an influence or serve the body through teaching and they should probably stay away from the youth group well there you go there you go you tell me should disordered desires just be well biblical exegesis is a wonderful underpinning for belief and love is a worthy motive for action fear is a horrible reason for both well who's going to argue with that but what does that have to do with what we're talking about I just I just find well one more paragraph here it would do us well to humbly examine our hearts to reveal the motives and fears behind our attitudes toward people who identify as gay happily upholding

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Christian sexual ethics is not the same as harboring animosity toward an entire group of people simply because you find them yucky

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I'm sorry that is not a meaningful observation because it does not even begin to address the real issues and it sounds to me like it comes much more from the gay

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Christian network than it should be coming from desiringgod .org because happily upholding

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Christian sexual ethics means something and there has to be some if you're doing that as a person who experiences same -sex attraction then your first statement is going to be that desire is disordered it is evil and I seek to mortify it

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I'm I'm not seeing that that's not what I'm seeing here maybe it's someplace else but this article really concerned me it really really did now there are other articles and this is what got me confused earlier because there are other articles that have been put up also by the same author um one entitled is it sin to experience same -sex attraction and this is pretty interesting as well you know

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I I think I'm just not going to be able to get to the other topic I was going to get to today so we'll um on um

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Thursday I want to review some material from um

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Nabeel Qureshi's appearance on unbelievable I'm catching up on unbelievable since I hopefully will be able to do a few programs uh in a matter of weeks um on whether Christians and Muslims worship the same god there was an interesting element that that came out that came out that I was going to um that I've already put together the audio for so we'll do that on the next one but this article which actually says yesterday uh first note briefly three biblical observations the bible explicitly says that impenitent homosexual acts not homosexual desires keep a person from inheriting the kingdom of god first corinthians 6 9 through 10 so there's a distinction being made between so homosexual desire not addressed first corinthians 6 according to this article the bible does not seem to explicitly mention same -sex attraction it is possible the dishonorable passions of romans 126 could be dealing with same -sex attraction but it's unclear whether this is a reference to simply experiencing attraction or following the attraction into active lusting

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I think burning with desire one for another definitely addresses it number three our passions may be disordered by the fall of this creation yet and yet be distinct from active sinning paul said the creation was subject to futility and will one day be set free from its bondage to corruption even spirit -filled believers grown under the futility and corruption including dishonorable passions we ourselves have the first roots of spirit grown inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption of sons redemption of our bodies now dishonorable passions where does where does it say that we continue to experience these things and cannot be rid of them or it should not be mortifying them is it something to be mortified i'm just it's hard to say given the above three realities and i'm not sure exactly what those realities were it seems right to say that while homosexual practice is active sinning the experience of same -sex attraction need not involve active sinning okay a desire a sinful desire is not the same thing as fulfilling the desire there's no question about that but jesus said that the abuse of that distinction in his day was sinful what am i referring to lust and adultery if you want if you lust after a woman in your heart you're guilty of adultery now it's not the same thing as actually doing it but it is sin is it not isn't that what jesus said and so if you admit that it is a disordered desire rather than a natural desire out of bounds what do you do with that john piper says it like this quote it would be right to say that same -sex desires are sinful in the sense that they are disordered by sin that's what i say and exist contrary to god's revealed will definitely but to be caused by sin and rooted in sin does not make a sinful desire equal to sinning sinning is what happens when rebellion against god expresses itself through our disorders let marriage be held in honor emphasis added seems like he's saying same -sex desires are sinful but they're not sinning well if what you're trying to say is that lust in the heart is sinful but it's not the same thing as the act itself in real life but is still sinful in god's sight okay with the added recognition that there is a disordered nature that would not be a part of heterosexual adultery but then the author goes on to say no longer quoting piper in other words although ssa is a disordered desire owing disorder desire owing to the fallen thus rooted in sin and broken by sin nevertheless experiencing ssa is not in itself an act of sinning i mean at least two things when i say that experiencing ssa is not in itself an act of sinning first experiencing a general orientation is not a sin in our sin nature all of us are disordered sexually my sexuality is disordered and that i experience a homosexual orientation what i mean is that my sexual desires are exclusively oriented toward the same sex this is true of me whether or not i am experiencing a specific attraction at any given moment as i sit here writing i am not experiencing attraction to another man but i am still exclusively attracted to men so at this moment though i have a homosexual orientation i do not believe i am sinning in this regard but do you recognize that the orientation is itself disordered in a way that an act of adultery would not be that would be a question i would ask secondly experiencing a specific same -sex attraction is not necessarily a sin let's say i am experiencing the attraction to another man i don't go looking for it but it rises up spontaneously within me at this point my attraction falls in the category of temptation and i can do one of two things i can fight the desire in the same manner that anyone who is tempted with pride jealousy or fear would and kill it before i sin that's mortification or i can follow desire into lust of the mind and eventually the sin which is a volitional sin when i look at another male experience the butterflies of attraction i must lay the desire for inappropriate activity with him at the feet of jesus and turn toward the superior promises of reward found in pursuing righteousness if i do this even though i have experienced the disordered groan of a broken creation i have not sinned i would agree but what's not there and what troubles me by it's not being there and what i then gives rise to the false dichotomies of the other article that i had a problem with is the recognition of the category distinction what i'm hearing here is the acceptance of orientation language from secular psychology rather than a recognition of the fundamentally disordered nature of this particular desire that's where the problem exists as far as i can see i don't know this individual but since he's writing for a widely known blog and it's interesting when i mentioned on twitter that i was going to uh talk about this i had a number of people say you know my husband and i were talking about this or my wife and i were talking about this or just a fellow believer and i were talking about that article and something just didn't click with us it just seemed out of place and so i think i'm not the only one who has looked at this and gone it's causing me a problem um um okay you know you know i appreciate you know when i do this when i fight temptation turn to jesus trust his promises rely on his spirit god is pleased he is not mainly displeased because i need to fight but pleased because i'm fighting okay i get that but what we're not getting here anywhere in this article and i just went down to the bottom um is this idea of recognition that there is a disorderedness to the desire that must be i think first and foremost in the recognition of what is being fought and why it needs to be fought so i think that's where i would i would go there uh you're about to die out there you're good okay um what how am i how you doing out there you're doing okay yeah you know you know how many people i had contacting me going so so so how's rich is he okay is he all right i'm doing better feeling better i haven't had to leave once and no you haven't you haven't coughed a lung up or anything nothing yeah that's good i'm very i'm very happy i'm not on any uh you know medicines of any kind when are you gonna teach me to to fly solo like you did because i hey i'm going to i'm going to south africa are you going to be uh what are you going to be doing i i don't know yet things have been rather busy so i i don't know i i i might pick up with the latent flowers thing and go into the cross -examination i may be responding to a recent program you did recently too it's sort of like the never -ending suctioning sound oh no it never ends no it does never there are other topics that never end either um i actually meant flowers yeah yeah yeah yeah let's not let's not uh yeah let's not go there um all right let's let's do this first of all let me mention that uh and i'm just gonna mention this it's sort of like you know i'm gonna i'm gonna post this in a particular group on facebook and then walk away um i preached a sermon sunday morning i've now written i think three articles preached a sermon sunday morning it's posted it's out there i put in twitter put in facebook um said what i need to say i realize there for a lot of people it's like no no no no no uh you have to now talk to this person and talk to that person everything else what's interesting in is in my conversations uh for example and i imagine he'll hear this but i i spoke with a ethnic nigerian sunday morning after i preached the sermon that i just mentioned to you he was there and he visits he's not from the phoenix area but he visits because his job takes him through and so he knew what had happened over the past few weeks and we talked afterwards and he agreed with what i had to say appreciated what i had to say but all of everybody i've talked to has said the same thing it will never come to an end no matter how much you say no matter who you dialogue with no matter how many articles are written will never come to an end because it's it's a subjective experientially based thing it is impervious to the kind of argumentation you're going to bring to the table and i've gotten a lot of warnings from a lot of folks don't get sucked down the rabbit hole and distracted from everything else i'm not going to i just want to let you know preach the sermon why did i preach sermon because i got a call at seven o 'clock in the morning sunday morning and in that situation it's always best to go with what's on your heart and mind you just written an article on something go with it so i did so i did so that's uh available on sermon audio i linked it uh there now real quickly here um put the clutch in and shift because big big shift here i uh um will be in lindale texas which is about an hour hour and a half out of dallas i'll be in lindale texas uh saturday and sunday with uh pastor tom buck and the folks there and i'm really looking forward to uh getting a chance to be back out there again we're gonna be doing sort of christian worldview uh issues and you're welcome you're welcome to come a really nice facility if you want to come out there and be with us for saturday and sunday and uh but because of that i've got a short week and so i have i'm into the i'm into that time period i've put some huge goals on myself in july um and so i'm really having to push hard i was up yesterday morning at what's when did i get up 320 something uh 330 and riding in the dark again and you know having to charge up the lights and all that kind of stuff did 82 and a half miles over 3 000 feet of climbing yesterday and i'm listening to stuff i've got those really cool bone conduction headphones now so i can hear stuff and still listen and and so one of the things i was doing is there's been some there have been some really really useful unbelievable podcasts recently and if you've not subscribed to unbelievable unbelievable is the podcast radio program uh originating in london uh justin briarley is the host and i don't know how many times i've been on unbelievable justin is just a tremendous host now justin and i could probably do some debates against each other because i have a feeling on certain issues but justin is incredibly skilled not only getting people together but at getting people to talk about things and oh yeah he's had a few programs that were some challenges but um some fun ones but um he is british after all uh but he he's just a really good great host and he look some of the programs do make me go with with some of the christian representation but it's it's london uh it's sort of the way that it is but there's some great programs on there and you know he's giving me the opportunity i've i've been i've been it's one time i did a mini debate with nt right was on unbelievable um so anyway uh some really interesting programs recently and keep an eye out for the next two podcasts it's already sort of out there is what it is but i won't ruin everything but if you go into itunes you can subscribe and the next two podcasts i'll be honest with you i'm a little concerned um i've already seen it out there so i guess i'm not spilling the beans um it's i believe it's going to be a two -part encounter between bart erman and richard baucom and i've listened to baucom speak he's a brilliant scholar i consider him to be much more brilliant than bart erman is bart erman is i don't believe he's a brilliant scholar he's bright but he's not innovative he's it's not i i mean his recent stuff where like where he's talking about how jesus became god you know his stuff on glaciers 4 for example is almost sophomoric theologically and grammatically as far as greek goes it's just it's just bad i mean and and his stuff where he's he doesn't even recognize christian orthodoxy in the identification you know i've shown it to you here just a few weeks ago we showed him confusing subalienism with the orthodox understanding that jesus is yahweh i mean uh when it comes to theology the not not all that good but baucom is is brilliant but he's he's a deep scholar he's not the best speaker in the world and i'm concerned because erman's a good speaker he's pretty decent debater uh not the best but i'm i'm i'm concerned we'll see we'll see um i i hope to be very pleasantly surprised i really really do i hope baucom brings his a game and he's comfortable and stuff like that but you might want to might want to subscribe uh to unbelievable uh i think i personally have been justin's best overseas subscriber promoter i've heard a lot of people who said i heard about you on the dividing lines that that now listen to unbelievable so i'll put that plug out there and keep an eye keep an eye out there uh richard baucom is going to be is going to be on with bart erman the next next two well they already recorded all of it so justin knows how it went but i don't know if anybody else does anyway one of the programs i don't remember when it was was within the past three months uh that i was catching up on was i didn't get a chance to look this up maybe someone could find this i don't know how to search the archives of twitter i know it's possible you can actually you know you can download every tweet you've ever tweeted you can actually do it um but marisol wolf wrote the book years ago i talked about on the program i remember exactly what route i took when i wrote when i wrote i went up actually it's pretty much the same route that i did yesterday um when i was listening to his book basically giving the presentation that christians and muslims worship the same god and i i responded to it then i've not been able to find the dividing line because i guess we didn't put in the description but because maybe i just did it briefly i don't know but when the thing happened with the wheaton professor that brought it all back up again and somehow i ended up having that tweet conversation did we blog that did we blog the wolf conversation on from twitter because i'm trying to hmm it wasn't all that long ago and i'm i'm wondering if we did or didn't anyway i ended up having and i know we talked about in the program end up having this back and forth for quite some time on i think it was a saturday morning with dr wolf he's at uh gale as i recall on this very issue of whether christians and muslims worship the same god at the same time i put that um video out discussing it rts has a video on the same thing where they asked me that question when when i was there teaching back in january and so um i think i think that he when someone said you all need to have a debate on this i think i could be wrong but i think he said no not me get stephen cummings i think this was the guy that wolf said should do the debate not him i could be wrong but i'm just putting two and two together and speculating here i think that's the same guy that then had a dialogue with nabil qaddaishi on unbelievable not that long ago on the subject of do christians and muslims worship same god now nabil and i pretty much pretty much made the same argument for some reason a lot of muslims think that nabil has to be a clone of me for us to respect each other we have differences i'm reformed he's really not um i have much stronger views on roman catholicism than evidently he does um and because i have said certain things where i've disagreed with a perspective or something like that people think ah you you ripped up nabil qaddaishi or something no i didn't i love nabil i think he's a great guy i think he's a great gift to the church um and all you muslims that are thinking that somehow you know and here's here's the main reason they think that here's uh let me oh 1 .6

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is way too fast um here is a portion and i guess i'm gonna have to put my earphone thingy in now by the way while you're doing that i did find the um wolf um conversation well the show okay that we did that's uh january 28th how long ago not long at all so that's where the show is uh along with a number of other the simply cirrus studios uh program is part of the same program oh yeah yeah okay all right okay all right so that was just a while back all right this is uh just once again i i just try to be transparent here i have a program called audio note taker it is a great program it's a wonderful program i'm actually going to give you a shot of it here if you'd like to show folks since i don't know that we've ever shown people what it actually looks like i think you have well there it is here's uh here's audio note taker and you can it it puts the audio of something into blocks okay and then you can just mark out the block and play uh a portion so like there's that and then here's the next section that i want to look at and stuff like that so it just it just visually makes it so easy uh to do stuff i think it's sort of cool but here's here's why um people think i've taken on i've taken on nabil here's toward the beginning of the of the program oh wait a minute um before i do that i tell people this allows me to change the speed of the playback very very easily so for example i can listen to stuff and find stuff you know two times speed things like that i speed it up a little bit so we can just get more done in the program so it's at 1 .2