Refuting A Proud Murderer

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January 4, 2019

Multistreaming with https://restream.io/ Join us for this brand-new episode of Apologia Radio in which we respond to a very proud woman bragging about murder with some children. We are also joined Bradley Pierce "Jeremiah's Wish". You are in for a treat today! Let someone know!

00:04: Since two years ago, after beginning End Abortion Now, God has raised up about 300 local churches across the
00:10: United States of America who have saved literally thousands of children from death. Now, through your work together with us, there are
00:19: Christian churches in southern and northern Ireland, in Canada, across the
00:24: United States of America, in Australia and New Zealand who are working to bring the Gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion, not in the way that the pro -life movement typically does, but to do it as Christians standing on the biblical worldview and the message of Jesus.
00:40: We told you two years ago that we wanted to partner together with you to end abortion now.
00:46: We gave a strategy to work towards that end. The first plank was one, bringing the local churches with the message of the
00:53: Gospel to bring Mercy Ministries to the abortion mills where the murder is actually taking place.
00:59: The second thing we wanted to do is we wanted to bring the message of Christ into conflict with the culture of death and abortion.
01:06: We wanted to do that by engaging the issue of abortion from a truly Christian and biblical perspective into the public square.
01:14: We wanted to flood the internet with content that showed the Gospel coming into conflict with abortion.
01:20: We wanted to show you the lives that have been saved and we have done that. God has allowed that message to go out and be seen by millions upon millions upon millions of people.
01:30: We also wanted to begin to engage the issue of abortion at the legislature as Christians.
01:36: We wanted the prophetic ministry of the local church to actually begin to engage our civil magistrates.
01:42: We wanted a call to repentance. We wanted to demand immediate justice. We wanted mercy to fall on these children.
01:49: What God has done through this ministry is absolutely humbling and undeniably
01:55: His. In 2019, we have a very special plan that we wanted you to join together with us in.
02:03: We want to continue that work of bringing the Gospel to the abortion mills, flooding the internet with the message of Christ in conflict with the abortion issue, and to bring the prophetic ministry of the church to our legislature.
02:16: However, we want to do it in a unique way. This year, we want to actually train and equip you, the members of local churches globally, to actually create your own ministry like ours in terms of actually engaging this issue in the public square with your own media ministry.
02:34: We know that it cannot simply be Apologia Church flooding the public square with the message of Jesus in conflict with abortion.
02:41: It must be churches globally. However, there's a new path we want to take as well. We want to bring the message of Christ to our civil magistrates in a very, very serious
02:51: Christian and compelling way. We believe that it's actually the responsibility of Christian churches to speak with the
02:57: Word of God to the civil magistrates that God has raised up. And what we want to do is actually begin the next phase of End Abortion Now.
03:05: We want to bring the Christian message now against the legislature. We want to speak to them demanding justice for these children and mercy upon these children.
03:13: We want to speak to them as the local church. And finally, our producer and director,
03:19: Marcus Pittman, is creating Babies Are Murdered Here 2. Babies are still murdered here.
03:24: And the focus of that documentary is to actually raise up the local churches across the world to actually bring the message of Christ and the biblical worldview into conflict with abortion at their local legislature.
03:38: In 2019, with all that we are doing to save lives, to bring the ministries to the abortion mills, to flood the internet, and to speak to the legislature and create
03:47: Babies Are Murdered Here 2, we have a fraction of the budget of the pro -life ministries worldwide. Our goal for 2019 is $400 ,000.
03:56: With that $400 ,000, you're going to partner with us to not only save thousands of lives, but you're going to help us to raise up churches with no cost to them at all.
04:04: You're going to help us to create a film that will change the heart of the Christian culture. And you're going to help us to, once and for all, end abortion now.
04:13: Will you partner with us, once again, to do this amazing work for the glory of God? Go to endabortionnow .com
04:20: to partner with us, to help us to make our goal for 2019. We will be so grateful to you, and we are trusting in God to once and for all end the scourge upon our world.
04:41: Okay. Well, guys, we wanted to have you come here, number one, just to celebrate this baby girl here.
04:49: I know that she's 16 months now, which time flies. I know I remember when
04:55: I was able to hold her in your home, and we were able to come see her at the hospital when she was born, and wanted to have you guys come here and tell her story, basically.
05:06: The purpose and the reason why we wanted to have you guys come here is to celebrate her life, and also to encourage other families who were in your guys' position, where you were that day at Planned Parenthood, when we were outside calling out to you guys.
05:22: And we want to encourage other moms and dads who are in this position, and also other
05:29: Christians, other people that go to these kinds of places. And they call out, they plead for the lives of children, they offer help, practical help, they preach the gospel.
05:41: We want to hopefully give something that will inspire other people to start doing this, other churches to start rising up and doing the very thing, because this is the proof right here.
05:53: This is what it's all about. This is what's worth laying down somebody's whole life for, is this baby girl that you're holding.
05:59: She is absolutely worth the sacrifice and everything that comes with this. So, if you could, whoever wants to go first, just bring us into, you're nominated,
06:11: Derek. Whoever wants to go first, just bring us into her story, you know, from the beginning through your perspective and in your own words.
06:22: Wow, all right. So we had just had this little one for not too long, and we were struggling because I wasn't making a whole lot of money back then.
06:39: Then we had our son, Archer, as well, who was still in diapers, still young, and this one is a baby. And then she found out she was pregnant, and we both kind of freaked out.
06:52: We're going to have five kids and no money. And I think at the time, we had just gotten a car repoed in Alaska, and my dad sent us $2 ,500, and we kind of made the decision that that $2 ,500 was going to get us back to Arizona instead of trying to winter in Alaska.
07:16: And then that's when we come into she's born, a couple months after she's born, she's pregnant with her, and at this point, our life had already fallen apart.
07:32: I was making, I think, nine bucks an hour at the time. We were living with our parents, trying to get out on our own, and that's when we met you guys.
07:45: Yeah, yeah. And I know there's circumstances surrounding that. I guess what I want to ask you guys is, going to a place like that,
07:54: Planned Parenthood, I mean, obviously, we all know what they do there. It's no secret. And the reason that drives us there is ultimately love for mothers and fathers like you, families like you, who go to these places and contemplate doing what you guys were contemplating doing that day.
08:11: Obviously, there was a lot going on in your life, right? I mean, financial stuff, there was all this shifting ground in terms of work, and you're adding another mouth to the table to feed.
08:24: I mean, all this stuff. We talk to so many people who are in the exact same position, and they just don't know what to do.
08:33: It just doesn't seem like it's possible at this point to take care of another child.
08:41: Right. So you guys find yourself in this position now. How did this transition to you guys contemplating
08:48: Atlas and ending up at Planned Parenthood, at what point did you guys consider this, and what led to that taking place?
08:59: It was me. He didn't want it at all. He didn't want to go there at all.
09:05: Yeah, I didn't want to go there at all, but at the same time, I don't know. He was going to do what
09:10: I thought I was going to do. I was going to follow her. I didn't really want to, but at the same time,
09:16: I was still stressing out about how am I going to feed five kids on nine bucks an hour.
09:21: Right. That's a chore. Yeah. And throughout this process, through us getting there, the first visit there was very deceptive.
09:35: How so? Just the ultrasound they show you. We've been through -
09:41: I asked if I could see it and they wouldn't show me it. Okay. And at this point, you were how far along? I think
09:47: I was five weeks. Five to six weeks. Okay. But we had seen several ultrasounds in six weeks where you go to a doctor's office and they show you a six -week ultrasound that takes up the whole ultrasound.
10:00: Right. The one at Planned Parenthood, they zoom out and it's this little dot, and they're like, see, there's nothing even there. Okay. So they said that to you?
10:07: Yeah. Actually, during that - No, they said it to me. They wouldn't let him in the room. Yeah. They wouldn't even let me back there. Okay. So you were completely barred from access.
10:13: It was just her ultrasound zoom out frame in terms of, there's nothing there.
10:19: Don't worry about it. And then at that point, correct me if I'm wrong, but that was the same day or a different day?
10:25: No, that was the first visit. And then they did take us both back to talk to a doctor and the doctor said, essentially, we'll give you one pill that starts the process.
10:35: The second pill gets rid of everything and since there's nothing in there at all anyway, it's not a big deal.
10:44: The Saturday we came to take the first pill is when you guys were out there. Okay. And that's when we walked in.
10:53: I personally didn't want to get out of the car. I was like, nope, there's people here. I don't want to do this. Let's just go.
10:58: Yeah. She, no. Let's just get inside and then it'll all go away. Yeah. It's like, all right, well, hurried up inside.
11:06: They took her ID and then in the process of them taking her
11:11: ID and us sitting there, we hear the megaphone and. If you guys hadn't done that, she wouldn't be here.
11:22: No, and I think right before we walked out, someone had walked out and started yelling at you guys. And then he was on his way back in and we were on our way out.
11:30: Like whatever, dude. I think I remember that, honestly. That day. Once he saw us coming out.
11:37: That's when he calmed down and stopped yelling at us or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.
11:43: I don't know. Then I started crying. She started crying. Prayers were said. Yeah. It was a very emotional,
11:51: I know for me and I know for her after we had left, it was a very emotionally jarring experience.
11:58: And even for weeks after, it was one of those like, we almost did that.
12:05: Yeah. Right. Wow. Okay. So, I mean, you guys were in there, you know, on the verge of going through with this, what you described for the stage of pregnancy that Courtney was at is so common in terms of the pill, what happens with that, you take the first pill and then you take the second pill and that ends the life of your child, essentially.
12:33: And Atlas wouldn't be here with us right now. But as you guys said, you were there.
12:38: Can you describe to me, I mean, as you were hearing this and you're exactly right, by the way, I remember a man coming out and screaming at us, which is not uncommon out there in the nature of this work.
12:50: But as you were hearing, you know, the megaphone, the calling out, I don't know if it was, if it was intelligible, if you could remember what's being said, but like during that time, what was it that that led you to say, okay, at this moment, we're leaving.
13:07: Can you just describe what was going through your mind, what was going through your heart at that point? I didn't even tell him that.
13:16: I don't want to sound vulgar, but she said, basically, F this and let's go. She walked out and I was like, all right, we're doing this and we walked out and then
13:26: I remember talking to you guys and just like, I couldn't really see anymore. I was bawling my eyes out and there's a ton of hands on me and I just remember people honking as they went past and yelling at you guys and I was like, just shut up,
13:40: I'm tired of you guys already. And I couldn't imagine being you guys standing out there and dealing with that the whole time.
13:49: Like we were out there for maybe 10 minutes of prayer and just the one guy yelling at you guys and we walked out into that and then all the people just shocking.
14:03: And I don't know, it really sucked being where we were at just because what we almost went through with.
14:10: And then I personally felt really, I don't know how to put it, kind of condescending on myself that I'd gone that far with it,
14:23: I'd let her go that far with it and that now here we were talking to you guys and it was definitely an experience that I wouldn't want to go through again.
14:36: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, I completely believe that God was kind to you guys on that day.
14:46: He was merciful to you all and as you said, which always humbles me because we know that it's not about any one of us.
14:55: I mean, we just, we're out there and we go and then God moves and we see miracles like this happen.
15:02: We see moms and dads inside and you know, sometimes when they explain it to us, they say,
15:07: I don't know. I just, I just knew, I knew it was wrong and I knew I had to leave just like how you described and you know, we get to be out there and just try to cover you guys with love and obviously we were preaching the message to you that day that, you know, we'll help you.
15:25: You know, talking about what God does in terms of saving people who find themselves in this position, not just saving them physically, saving the child, saving your baby girl from what was going to happen to her, but for anyone that is contemplating this and that turns away from it, changes their mind literally and comes to God, that shame and that guilt and that feeling that you're talking about, man, it's that condescension, the way you put it.
15:53: Like it's almost, it's that, it's that, did you drop that in the hole?
15:59: Looks like you did. That, um, I mean, just that, that sense of guilt really,
16:05: I think, and the shame for this, this is what we were going to do. We had it in our minds and we were going through with this and our baby girl was almost not here doing this and the message that we always try to bring out there is that, that shame that you feel, um, you know, that shame is put on God's son,
16:24: Jesus on the cross and if we turn from our sin, he takes our shame and he's ashamed in public on the cross what he did so that we don't have to be ashamed in secret because that's what this, that's the nature of what this is.
16:40: It happens behind closed doors, right? And away from, from everything, away from, from public view.
16:47: So, um, I just want to encourage you with that man personally is if any part of you still, um, is burdened by that, there is hope and there is forgiveness in Christ ultimately.
17:00: And he takes away our shame and our guilt, um, in terms of, um, having the opportunity to be there with you guys in the hospital, um, when she was born, that was an amazing experience.
17:13: Obviously being able to hold her at your house after, um, can you guys describe,
17:19: I know Courtney, you were telling my wife that, um, a little bit about her in terms of she's probably the only one of your children that actually looks like you, right?
17:28: So, right. So I know that that's special, but I mean, tell us a little bit about Alice.
17:35: What does she like? Um, I mean, what does she, what is she drawn to in terms of things that really, uh, babies, she has a baby doll that she carries around.
17:45: It's adorable. She wraps it in a little blanket. I mean, and she's already going for the babies over there, you know, so she likes barbecue, barbecue.
17:57: Yeah. He made ribs and she loved it. She went to town on ribs.
18:04: Yeah. She loved it. Man. Well, I mean, we know about Alice.
18:14: We know her story. We know, um, what brought you guys there. We know about God's grace and bringing you guys out of there.
18:20: But I guess the one other thing I'd want to ask you guys is, I mean, what would you say to, um, other families, other mothers and fathers who are in the same position you guys were in and maybe even say something to other people who are like us and who just want to sacrifice everything and go here to do this every day if it's, if that's what it takes to save lives.
18:44: I mean, what would you say to the people that are in the position we were in?
18:50: Ask for help because we spent so much time with just each other, not asking anyone else for help.
18:55: It was just, what are our options? What can we do about this? When we walked out, he wasn't going to go ask you guys for help, but I told him that we were like, we leave,
19:07: I'd like to just hop in the car, drive away, right? Just out here. But we didn't help.
19:12: Yeah, we definitely needed help. And then members from your church, members from the other churches, that Christmas was probably one of the best
19:20: Christmases we've had. Just all the presents and all the checking up people did to just kind of, hey, how are you guys doing?
19:27: Do you guys need anything? Is she okay? Does she need anything? How are the kids?
19:34: Just that. And then what I would say to people that are out there with the church, thank you.
19:41: Thank you. Don't get disheartened by people yelling at you because,
19:47: I mean, we got that. You are getting through to people. You are. Yeah. I always say,
19:54: I mean, this is my greatest argument for what we do. There's really no speaking against or refuting this right here.
20:05: This is, this is the ultimate. She lost her voice. So, I mean, and, you know,
20:16: I want you guys to hear this as long as you'll allow us to continue to come alongside you and support you guys.
20:21: We want to be here for you. And I'd love to personally just develop more of a relationship with you guys and hang out and have dinner or maybe go shooting.
20:32: So hopefully we can make that happen. But guys, I want to thank you so much for coming here and just having the courage to tell her story and having the courage to inspire other people to continue doing this and moms and dads who are in this position that there is hope.
20:49: There's there's both help and there's hope, hope in Christ and then help among the people of God, among his people.
20:56: So thank you guys so much for coming and talking with us. Derek, Courtney and Atlas.
21:04: You probably partly answered this question already, but is this right here, this joyful noise that's being raised, is this worth it?
21:13: Is this worth it? All of them together, it's crazy, but yeah, it's worth it.
21:18: It is. It gets five kids now. I know that's been expressed, but yes, we have five kids now.
21:25: This one is the fifth and it's worth it every day. Hard work, it's exhausting, but it's awesome.
21:37: Amen. Children are a blessing. Since two years ago, after beginning end abortion now,
21:48: God has raised up about 300 local churches across the United States of America who have saved literally thousands of children from death now through your work together with us.
22:00: There are Christian churches in Southern and Northern Ireland, in Canada, across the
22:06: United States of America, in Australia and New Zealand who are working to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.
22:13: Not in the way that the pro -life movement typically does, but to do it as Christians standing on the biblical worldview and the message of Jesus.
22:21: We told you two years ago that we wanted to partner together with you to end abortion now.
22:27: We gave a strategy to work towards that end. The first plank was one, bringing the local churches with the message of the gospel to bring
22:35: Mercy Ministries to the abortion mills where the murder is actually taking place. The second thing we wanted to do is we wanted to bring the message of Christ into conflict with the culture of death and abortion.
22:47: We wanted to do that by engaging the issue of abortion from a truly Christian and biblical perspective into the public square.
22:55: We wanted to flood the internet with content that showed the gospel coming into conflict with abortion.
23:02: We wanted to show the lives that have been saved and we have done that. God has allowed that message to go out and be seen by millions upon millions upon millions of people.
23:12: We also wanted to begin to engage the issue of abortion at the legislature as Christians.
23:18: We wanted the prophetic ministry of the local church to actually begin to engage our civil magistrates.
23:24: We wanted a call to repentance. We wanted to demand immediate justice. We wanted mercy to fall on these children.
23:30: What God has done through this ministry is absolutely humbling and undeniably
23:36: His. In 2019, we have a very special plan that we wanted you to join together with us in.
23:44: We want to continue that work of bringing the gospel to the abortion mills, flooding the internet with the message of Christ in conflict with the abortion issue and to bring the prophetic ministry of the church to our legislature.
23:57: However, we want to do it in a unique way. This year, we want to actually train and equip you, the members of local churches globally, to actually create your own ministry like ours in terms of actually engaging this issue in the public square with your own media ministry.
24:15: We know that it cannot simply be Apologia Church flooding the public square with the message of Jesus in conflict with abortion.
24:22: It must be churches globally. However, there's a new path we want to take as well. We want to bring the message of Christ to our civil magistrates in a very, very serious,
24:33: Christian, and compelling way. We believe that it's actually the responsibility of Christian churches to speak with the
24:39: Word of God to the civil magistrates that God has raised up. And what we want to do is actually begin the next phase of End Abortion Now.
24:46: We want to bring the Christian message now against the legislature. We want to speak to them demanding justice for these children and mercy upon these children.
24:54: We want to speak to them as the local church. And finally, our producer and director,
25:00: Marcus Pittman, is creating Babies Are Murdered Here, Too. Babies Are Still Murdered Here.
25:06: And the focus of that documentary is to actually raise up the local churches across the world to actually bring the message of Christ and the biblical worldview into conflict with abortion at their local legislature.
25:19: In 2019, with all that we are doing to save lives, to bring the ministries to the abortion mills, to flood the internet, and to speak to the legislature and create
25:28: Babies Are Murdered Here, Too, we have a fraction of the budget of the pro -life ministries worldwide. Our goal for 2019 is $400 ,000.
25:37: With that $400 ,000, you're going to partner with us to not only save thousands of lives, but you're going to help us to raise up churches with no cost to them at all.
25:45: You're going to help us to create a film that will change the heart of the Christian culture. And you're going to help us to, once and for all, end abortion now.
25:54: Will you partner with us, once again, to do this amazing work for the glory of God? Go to EndAbortionNow .com
26:01: to partner with us, to help us to make our goal for 2019. We will be so grateful to you.
26:07: And we are trusting in God to, once and for all, end the scourge upon our world. Honorable representatives,
26:29: I want to express my deepest gratitude for your attention today. I also want to testify to my humble submission to your role as God's ordained civil magistrates with the duty to preserve justice and to work to punish evil and uphold justice.
26:43: My name is Reverend Jeff Durbin, the lead teaching pastor at Apologia Church. Thank you for your attention today. My purpose in coming before you this day is to be a witness and a voice for the fatherless, pre -born neighbors who are being dismembered, poisoned, and chemically burned in our state, in your city, and under your watch and jurisdiction.
27:00: Not only has taking the life of an innocent human being in the womb against God's fundamental command to not murder, it is against current and unchanged
27:07: Arizona law. Arizona Statute 13 -3603, Roe v.
27:13: Wade, is not a law. The Supreme Court of the United States has not been given the duty or power of legislation according to our union's founding documents.
27:22: It is a fundamentally flawed and errant court opinion. Decades old without proper scientific, logical, or legal basis.
27:30: It was based on the biologically and demonstrably absurd premise that what is in the womb of a mother is potential human life.
27:36: We know as a biblical fact of revelation and as a biological and scientific fact that at the very moment of our conception, all of our biological components of you, me, and every human being is present.
27:46: The only difference from that point is the difference of degree, size, level of development, environment, and degree of dependence.
27:53: Honorable Representatives of Justice, murder is defined as taking human life in an unjustified manner with malice of forethought.
28:02: This is taking place under your watch, under your jurisdiction, and it is your responsibility to uphold justice for our pre -born neighbors and to interpose by putting an immediate end to this massacre of innocents.
28:14: This is not merely, please hear this, a partisan issue. This is the premier issue of justice before you all this day.
28:22: And every day, until you do your duty to stand between these defenseless human beings and their attackers. Honorable Representatives, you have a duty to not allow people to kill human beings who are small, still developing, are located in the safe sanctuary of their mothers, and who are dependent on others for life.
28:40: If we rationalize killing children because they are small, do we also abate the punishment for the father who murders his small two -year -old?
28:47: Do we also cease to uphold justice for the nine -year -old who is not fully developed? Do we allow humans to kill other humans simply because of where they happen to be located?
28:56: Are we going to cease upholding justice for the elderly and the handicapped simply because they are dependent upon others for their lives?
29:03: Before this day is over, dozens of human beings will have their arms torn from their sockets, their legs will be ripped from their bodies, and they will be disemboweled and have their heads crushed.
29:12: Graphic, I know, but true. This will be done under your watch, and you will all be held accountable before God for not acting, and you will be violating your duty as magistrates by not upholding justice and, please hear this,
29:24: Arizona law, which forbids the unjustified killing of a human being with malice of forethought. Thank you for your attention today.
29:31: Please go to andabortionnow .com for more. Thank you for allowing me the time to speak today.
29:50: My name is Marcus Pittman. I am a filmmaker who resides in Arizona and a member of Apologia Church. Five years ago,
29:56: I created a movie titled Babies Are Murdered Here about the happenings outside of abortion clinics. I followed people who saved the lives of children, many of which who did this full -time with no guarantee of income.
30:07: While the film was supposed to document what these heroes do for a living every day, it took a turn. I realized that the real story was the mothers who get abortions.
30:16: These women are not what the pro -choice groups have been telling us they are.
30:21: They are not victims who are stuck in a tough position. They are, in fact, murderers.
30:27: Many women danced and celebrated the fact that they could kill their children. Many women told me on camera and with the joy of a completely unstoppable serial killer how many children they have killed.
30:39: They danced with glee and by their own words celebrated the fact that, quote, they have murdered their children.
30:47: Members of City Council, there are murderers roaming the streets today. We know of the abortion doctors.
30:52: We know of the clinic staff, the lobbyists for Planned Parenthood. But these murderers protect their assassins, their clientele, by pinning women as innocent victims in a tough spot, et cetera, when the truth is that these women, every woman, knows exactly what they are doing.
31:09: No woman who sits on the City Council or sits in this room is unaware that pregnancy means to be with a child.
31:20: They know. No amount of tough circumstances changes that.
31:25: Likewise, the law requires that murder be punished as murder. I can't kill my two -day -old child because I'm in a tough spot, nor should
31:34: I be allowed to murder my two -month -old child still in the womb. Children, Council, please hear me.
31:41: There are murderers roaming the streets with glee. I have the video evidence. I made the film on it.
31:46: You have been deceived, and now you know the truth, and you are without excuse. The Bible commands that civil magistrates are agents of the state to bring justice on those who do evil.
31:59: What could be a clearer definition of those who do evil than women who laugh at their ability to murder their children?
32:06: What about the escorts who aid them, men and women, who cackle with joy as they bring them in to murder their child, aiding these women in their crimes?
32:16: I beg you to put a stop to it. Ignore Roe v. Wade like Colorado ignores federal drug laws, or other states ignore immigration laws and set up sanctuary cities.
32:26: Bring our state to repentance and punish evil. And while I have 20 seconds left, I know a lot of you guys, especially the
32:32: Vice Mayor, I see you when we come here every week, and you make faces when we talk about this.
32:38: But we are serious, and we will use all the power of media that we have to remove you guys from your seat if you do not stop abortion in this state now.
32:48: Thank you. Well, my name is
33:07: Reverend Zach Morgan, and I'm an elder at Apologia Church. I come to you again with respect, love, and serious concern.
33:15: Just so you're aware, we're going to keep coming to bring this issue to your attention again and again and again, simply because innocent people are being executed every single day in our city.
33:26: Fighting for the oppressed, our pre -born neighbors, is the right action to take. They have no voice, so we must speak for them.
33:33: They can't defend themselves, so we must come to their defense. Regardless of how you may self -define abortion, please listen again very carefully.
33:40: Abortion is the premeditated killing of innocent pre -born human beings developing in the wombs of their mothers with malice aforethought.
33:48: Abortion is murder, and if you're repelled by that statement, and all that's been said already today, and you continue to support child murder, you must hear loud and clearly, you are on the wrong side of history.
34:00: Isn't it unimaginably mind -boggling that 150 years ago, African Americans were murdered, tortured, butchered, and horrifically oppressed?
34:07: And I think we would all agree that what they endured was absolutely evil, abominable, and unjust, but why were they treated in such a way?
34:15: It's because they were deemed less than human by the majority populace, and I think we would all agree in here that the majority populace was in serious error and wound up on the wrong side of history.
34:25: They were wrong about African Americans being less than human, and it caused unimaginable suffering that we can't even conceive of.
34:33: Now we have a very similar situation in which our pre -born neighbors are erroneously defined as less than human, and are being murdered, tortured, butchered, and horribly oppressed, and this is bringing devastating consequences on every single one of us.
34:48: Because our nation has unlawfully sanctioned the murder of babies, we are a nation that our
34:53: God is in the process of judging and dispossessing. Listen carefully. If we are a nation under blood guilt, we are guilty of shedding innocent blood, and God hates it and is responding in punitive judgment.
35:06: God is a gracious and loving Heavenly Father who is altogether righteous and holy, therefore he views child murder as abominably wicked and heinous.
35:15: Our land is literally polluted by the blood of these murdered innocents, and we are all staggering under the consequences.
35:23: Abortion unleashes compounded destruction, not only on the mother, but all involved and every single one of us.
35:29: What's our only course of action? It's one word. It's repentance. You must change your minds about abortion as God's word is presented to you.
35:39: Then you must change your ways. You are given the sacred trust of protecting innocent life, and with all the respect and love that I can muster, you are failing to fulfill your primary duty.
35:51: Forty innocent human beings are in the process of being executed while I say this today, and if we don't act, forty more will tomorrow and the next day and the next day.
36:01: God's word says that the shed blood of innocent humans cries out for justice, and mark my words, they will have their day in court.
36:30: Good afternoon, honorable representatives. My name is Zachary Conover, and I'm a Christian who leads a weekly ministry on behalf of unborn children in the state of Arizona, outside of local abortion clinics in my community, where we preach the gospel and offer help to those who are actively considering the murder of their own children.
36:47: I submit to you that up to this point, the legislation proposed to protect them has done nothing more than regulate this issue as health care, rather than criminalize it as murder.
36:58: In our own homicide code, Arizona law specifies that an unborn child at any stage of development is a human being, and if you kill it, you can be charged with up to first degree murder.
37:09: Furthermore, as you heard, Arizona revised statute 13 -3603 states that anyone who seeks to procure the miscarriage of a woman's unborn child by any means will be subject to prosecution.
37:21: I'm calling upon you today, our representatives, to not only obey God's law, but to enforce current
37:27: Arizona state law and establish equal justice for those who are being oppressed and act to ensure that they receive the same protections as any other citizen of this land in accordance with our nation's constitution.
37:41: There is a fiction that we all have believed for far too long, and it has cost us the lives of millions of unborn children.
37:48: It's the lie that the Supreme Court has ruled, and all that we can do is obey. However, our state was not meant to be an implementation center for unjust or immoral law, policy, or court opinion.
38:02: Our constitution grants legislative power to Congress alone. Roe v. Wade was based on false premises.
38:08: It is therefore void of no force, and it is to be ignored. You have a duty to maintain this state's authorities, rights, and liberties.
38:16: Therefore, I charge that it is your right and your duty to not follow a federal court into such wicked disobedience to God and our original system of government as to deny the most defenseless among us the right to life.
38:28: Your Lord demands justice. If you work to protect your unborn neighbors,
38:34: I want you to hear me. I will support you. I will stand with you no matter what comes. But if you will not,
38:39: I will do everything in my ability to change your political climate until the unborn children of this state receive the same protection as all other image -bearers of God, just like we prayed at the beginning.
38:50: You've been warned today that when you stand before God, the judge of all the earth will not dismiss or delay justice in your case.
38:57: It is my duty to inform you that there is only one way to escape this justice, and I want you to hear it, and that's by turning from your sin in faith to the
39:06: King of Kings, Jesus Christ, so that you receive forgiveness, peace with your Creator, and the gift of eternal life.
39:13: But be warned, this King demands your obedience. He commands you to end abortion now.
39:21: Thank you. Good afternoon.
39:45: My name is Reverend Luke Pearson. I am an Elder and Discipleship Pastor at Apologia Church in Tempe. First, I would like to thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today.
39:54: I have come to impress upon you as our local magistrates of what is the sixth largest city in the
39:59: U .S., your responsibility before God, your Creator, to uphold justice for your pre -born neighbors.
40:06: Romans Chapter 13 makes it quite clear that your authority comes directly from God and that your power exists, is instituted, and is upheld by His power for His glory.
40:17: You are required to be a terror, not to good conduct, but to bad. You are God's servants,
40:23: His ministers, literally His deacons. Evildoers are to be afraid because you are commanded to refrain from bearing your sword in vain.
40:31: You are called to be God's avengers, or the ones who carry out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. That I give you the honor and respect that is due to you.
40:39: So I am respectfully calling on you to defend the nearly 40 babies murdered prior to birth every single day and every single night before God to call evil, evil, and call good, good.
40:52: That means punishing the evildoer and protecting the innocent. So specifically in this instance, you are to punish those who illegally abort babies before their first breath and to protect these precious little lives.
41:04: As a pastor, I am admonishing you to have the courage to uphold this law. Babies are not being murdered in Arizona because it is lawful.
41:11: It's quite the contrary. Babies are being murdered every day in state 48 because of fear.
41:16: Not fear of a law, but fear of a Supreme Court ruling. Fear of the federal beast. You have the authority and responsibility to stand in the gap for these children.
41:26: Will you do it? If you do, I promise you will have our support. However, I also promise that if you fail to do this, not only will you hear about it, but so will your constituents.
41:37: Proverbs 29, 18 says this, where there is no prophetic vision that people cast off restraint, but blessed is he who keeps the law.
41:44: For far too long, there has been no prophetic vision in Arizona and that people have therefore cast off restraint.
41:50: That time is now over. Know that we will continue to call on the citizens of Arizona to keep
41:55: God's law, specifically when it comes to our own national modern holocaust. Will you fight?
42:01: Will you have the necessary fortitude? Will you stand in the gap and interpose for these pre -born citizens of your very own jurisdiction?
42:08: You will be held accountable by God. And know that if you willingly refuse to defend the pre -born, their blood will be on your hands.
42:16: Thank you again for your time today. If anyone has any questions, please visit endabortionnow .com.
42:22: To God alone be the glory. Since two years ago, after beginning
42:36: End Abortion Now, God has raised up about 300 local churches across the United States of America who have saved literally thousands of children from death.
42:45: Now, through your work together with us, there are Christian churches in southern and northern
42:52: Ireland, in Canada, across the United States of America, in Australia and New Zealand who are working to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.
43:01: Not in the way that the pro -life movement typically does, but to do it as Christians standing on the biblical worldview and the message of Jesus.
43:10: We told you two years ago that we wanted to partner together with you to end abortion now.
43:16: We gave a strategy to work towards that end. The first plank was, one, bringing the local churches with the message of the gospel to bring
43:24: Mercy Ministries to the abortion mills where the murder is actually taking place. The second thing we wanted to do is we wanted to bring the message of Christ into conflict with the culture of death and abortion.
43:36: We wanted to do that by engaging the issue of abortion from a truly Christian and biblical perspective into the public square.
43:44: We wanted to flood the internet with content that showed the gospel coming into conflict with abortion.
43:50: We wanted to show you the lives that have been saved, and we have done that. God has allowed that message to go out and be seen by millions upon millions upon millions of people.
44:00: We also wanted to begin to engage the issue of abortion at the legislature as Christians.
44:06: We wanted the prophetic ministry of the local church to actually begin to engage our civil magistrates.
44:12: We wanted a call to repentance. We wanted to demand immediate justice. We wanted mercy to fall on these children.
44:19: What God has done through this ministry is absolutely humbling and undeniably
44:25: His. In 2019, we have a very special plan that we wanted you to join together with us in.
44:33: We want to continue that work of bringing the gospel to the abortion mills, flooding the internet with the message of Christ in conflict with the abortion issue, and to bring the prophetic ministry of the church to our legislature.
44:46: However, we want to do it in a unique way. This year, we want to actually train and equip you, the members of local churches globally, to actually create your own ministry like ours, in terms of actually engaging this issue in the public square with your own media ministry.
45:04: We know that it cannot simply be Apologia Church flooding the public square with the message of Jesus in conflict with abortion.
45:11: It must be churches globally. However, there's a new path we want to take as well. We want to bring the message of Christ to our civil magistrates in a very, very serious,
45:21: Christian, and compelling way. We believe that it's actually the responsibility of Christian churches to speak with the
45:27: Word of God to the civil magistrates that God has raised up. And what we want to do is actually begin the next phase of End Abortion Now.
45:35: We want to bring the Christian message now against the legislature. We want to speak to them demanding justice for these children and mercy upon these children.
45:43: We want to speak to them as the local church. And finally, our producer and director,
45:49: Marcus Pittman, is creating Babies Are Murdered Here Too. Babies are still murdered here.
45:54: And the focus of that documentary is to actually raise up the local churches across the world to actually bring the message of Christ and the biblical worldview into conflict with abortion at their local legislature.
46:08: In 2019, with all that we are doing to save lives, to bring the ministries to the abortion mills, to flood the internet, and to speak to the legislature and create
46:17: Babies Are Murdered Here Too, we have a fraction of the budget of the pro -life ministries worldwide. Our goal for 2019 is $400 ,000.
46:26: With that $400 ,000, you're going to partner with us to not only save thousands of lives, but you're going to help us to raise up churches with no cost to them at all.
46:34: You're going to help us to create a film that will change the heart of the Christian culture. And you're going to help us to, once and for all, end abortion now.
46:43: Will you partner with us, again and again, to do this amazing work for the glory of God? Go to EndAbortionNow .com
46:50: to partner with us, to help us to... What's up? I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.
46:56: I have incredible news for all of us who have been involved in this mission to end abortion immediately in our world, in our nation.
47:05: I've partnered you to now the message of the gospel coming in Australia, New Zealand. God has done amazing things through this work together.
47:12: All of us together as the Christian church. The good news is we just received word that we have a $150 ,000 matching donation for 2019.
47:26: $150 ,000 matching donation. As you know, our budget is a fraction of the budget of pro -life ministries internationally.
47:35: And when you give to End Abortion Now, you're giving to Apologia Church, the Christian ministry, bringing the gospel, the
47:42: Christian worldview into conflict with abortion globally. And so with this $150 ,000 donation, we're going to be able to get towards our goal of funding 2019.
47:53: As you know, there are thousands of children alive today that experienced
47:59: Christmas. Thousands of children who experienced Christmas because of you, because of your giving, because of your praying, because of your participating.
48:07: You know that there are hundreds of churches now who have received all of the free training and free resources, everything given away to them.
48:15: No excuses not to get involved in this work. Apologia Church has given everything away to these churches.
48:20: And you know that that has been a part of your work and labor together with us. Will you partner with us again in 2019 to establish more mercy ministries directed by local churches globally?
48:34: Will you partner with us to save even more thousands of lives, children alive because of the work of the
48:40: Christian church? Will you partner with us to communicate the message of Jesus, the
48:45: Christian worldview, and the biblical gospel in the area of abortion? Will you partner with us to make sure that we can actually flood the
48:52: Internet with the message of Christ in conflict with abortion? And will you partner with us in 2019 to bring the message of the
49:00: Christian church, not the neutral message of the pro -life movement globally, but the message of the gospel into conflict with our legislature demanding an immediate end to abortion?
49:12: No more incrementalism, no more neutrality, no more settling, but the
49:17: Christian church with the message of Jesus in conflict with abortion. Will you partner with us in 2019?
49:23: We are absolutely humbled and honored that God would allow us to have this ministry as a church.
49:30: Will you join together with Apologia Church in 2019? Help us to meet our goal. Every dollar that you give gets doubled because of this donation.
49:39: So when you give $100, it's $200. $1 ,000 is $2 ,000. Whatever you give, you are going to help us to establish more mercy ministries globally, and you are going to help us to once and for all end abortion now as Christians.
49:54: Will you partner with us? Will you give today, right now? Give, pray right now, and partner with Apologia Church.
49:59: Give at endabortionnow .com slash donate. You can give, and you can help us to meet our goal for 2019.
50:07: And at the end of 2019, who knows what God is going to do. We are absolutely astonished at what
50:14: God has done in just a short couple of years, together with Christians globally. Will you partner with us in 2019 to once and for all end abortion now?
50:22: Help us to meet our goal with this $150 ,000 matching donation. Our budget for 2019 is $400 ,000.
50:31: And with that money, you know that you are giving to a ministry of the Christian church that is supporting
50:36: Christians across the globe, that is raising up local churches globally to bring the gospel into conflict with abortion.
50:44: You know that when you give to End Abortion Now, you are helping to literally save children's lives. That's what you're doing.
50:50: You know that when you give to End Abortion Now, you are raising up local churches globally to save lives and to end abortion as Christians with the biblical message of the gospel.
51:02: Help us with this now matching $150 ,000 donation. Will you give today?
51:08: Will you partner with us again in 2019? We would be so grateful and so humbled if you would.
51:13: I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now. Go to EndAbortionNow .com for more. Hi everybody,
51:19: I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church. Thank you again for watching EndAbortionNow .com, the live stream event.
51:25: Don't forget to hashtag EndAbortionNow .com and share the live stream across your social media platforms.
51:32: And if you would, consider partnering with Apologia Church as we communicate the gospel in the area of abortion across the
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51:46: You can partner with about 100 churches right now that have partnered with Apologia Church across the United States.
51:52: Just this week, babies have been saved. Just this week, Christians have been getting involved in this ministry, bringing the gospel to their local abortion mill.
51:59: And you can do the same. But if you feel led, give today at EndAbortionNow .com and help us continue this effort to end abortion immediately in our nation.
52:09: EndAbortionNow .com Good afternoon.
52:19: Are you guys ready? All right, so let's pray. Father, please bless this time together.
52:26: I pray, God, that you'd allow me to communicate, Lord, your truth in a way, God, that honors you, glorifies you, and prepares your people.
52:35: I pray, God, that you would send us, God. Send us, Lord, with your word on our lips.
52:42: God, I pray that you would grant to us the ability, Lord, to speak boldly and with love, with gentleness, with respect.
52:50: I pray, God, that you would allow us to cast down every argument that exalts itself against the knowledge of Jesus Christ and prepare us,
52:58: God. And I pray, Lord, you would help us to expose the futility and the argumentation for child sacrifice, the slaughter of innocent children.
53:08: Help us, God, to expose, Lord, all of this evil, cast down all these arguments, and I pray,
53:16: God, that you would allow us to do it in a way that gets before the watching world. In Jesus' name, amen.
53:22: Excuse me, I don't know why over the last three days I haven't been able to sleep only a couple of hours, and I had a tooth infection that went all the way into my sinus cavities, and so I'm dealing with that right now, so I'm going to do my best to communicate in a way where you can actually understand me.
53:37: Let's do this first. We have to lay down a few things. I cannot, in this one session we have, lay down the biblical apologetic methodology.
53:46: I can't spend time explaining to you the need for us as Christians to make sure that we have a reasoned defense to everyone who asks of us a reason for the hope that is within us.
53:58: I'd love to do that, encourage you guys to go to Apologia Studios on YouTube, listen to a lot of lectures that have been done.
54:03: There's all kinds of opportunities that you guys can have to listen to actual conversations, debates.
54:09: We have actually hit the record button at the abortion clinics that we've gone to, and you can listen to the standard arguments that you'll hear really across the board, across the country, from pro -abortionists.
54:23: And so what I want to do right now is at least lay down a principle in Scripture, the public proclamation of the gospel, actually arguing for the faith that's actually a good and godly and righteous thing to do.
54:38: And I'm going to do that by way of one of my favorite texts on this point, and that's Acts chapter 9. So if you turn your Bibles to Acts chapter 9, and by the way, if you want fuel for your passion and the fire that you have to go out and reach people in the marketplace and at the abortion mills, you can't do better than read the book of Acts over and over and over and over again.
55:02: I do believe, as I said last night, that God gives to us in the book of Acts really a pattern, a model, principles of what
55:09: He calls us to do and how He calls us to be as we fight for the kingdom of the
55:16: Messiah, as we preach the gospel. And in Acts chapter 9, it's one of actually several places you can go in the book of Acts that demonstrates some general principles the apostles were holding to and what it looked like.
55:29: And so in Acts chapter 9, verse 22 is the text
55:37: I want to just point you to so you see where it's at. It says, But Saul increased all the more in strength and confounded the
55:45: Jews who lived in Damascus by proving that Jesus was the Messiah. So this is right after the apostle
55:52: Paul is on his way to persecute Christians. He gets knocked off his high horse. His eyes are opened.
55:58: He turns to Jesus. And what's interesting about the text is that as soon as he comes to Christ, he takes a beeline for Damascus to do what?
56:06: To go to their place of religious worship to cause trouble. He was a godly troublemaker. He goes to their place of religious worship.
56:13: Most people today, I think if you said, we're going to go to this place where people are worshiping over here but they're doing it in a way that doesn't honor
56:19: God, they don't know Jesus, they would say, well, don't do that. It's not respectful. That's not a righteous thing to do.
56:24: I can't tell you how many times I had people tell me our ministry to the
56:29: Mormon temple in Mesa, Arizona was wrongheaded. It was not Christian. It was mean -spirited and unkind.
56:37: But I kept seeing people come to Christ. I kept seeing relationships beginning outside there.
56:43: I kept seeing opportunities for the gospel. I kept seeing lives being transformed. And so I just didn't listen.
56:49: Sometimes that's a good thing to do. And as a result of even that ministry going out to their place of religious worship, which they find very highly offensive, we've lost count as to how many
56:59: Mormons, Latter -day Saints, have come to Christ as a result of that ministry. And I've got to say, one of the reasons that I do that kind of ministry and as a church we're committed to that kind of ministry is because of these instances in the
57:10: Scriptures where you see the principles really of godly warfare. Be careful using that term right now.
57:18: Godly spiritual warfare. Loving people with the gospel. Fighting for the faith.
57:25: In Acts 9, it's interesting what happens here. He goes to the synagogue. He's proving that Jesus is the
57:31: Messiah. And it says that he confounded the Jews who lived in Damascus by proving that Jesus was the
57:36: Christ. Now watch this. You might think, wonderful, that's amazing. The apostle Paul goes and proves Jesus is the
57:41: Messiah. He's arguing with people, obviously, for the faith. And it's a little sharp -edged.
57:47: It's a little edgy. And maybe some people think mean -spirited and unkind. But there's obviously a reason for it.
57:54: He's an inspired apostle filled with the spirit of God. God used him to evangelize that first -century generation to get the gospel all the way out to the point that the apostle
58:04: Paul says in Romans 1 to a church that he hasn't actually met yet, he says that your faith is being proclaimed throughout the entire world.
58:12: He says in Colossians that the gospel had been preached to every creature under heaven in the first century.
58:18: And you're thinking, well, not like literally. That's just how they talked. In the known world, in the Roman Empire, the gospel had gotten to the farthest reaches of it.
58:28: This is the guy that was a part of that. This is the master evangelist. He's preaching the gospel. The church is built up.
58:33: They're edified. They're equipped. Now what's the result of preaching the gospel in this way? Going to the marketplace, going to the places of religious worship, and arguing for the faith?
58:44: Well, everyone comes to Jesus, and it's an amazing thing, right? It's glorious. No, it says in verse 23, right after it says that he's proving that Jesus is the
58:52: Messiah, when many days had passed, the Jews plotted to kill him.
59:00: So, I mean, that is the result of being a godly troublemaker. Oftentimes you're a godly troublemaker. You love people. You lay yourself down for them.
59:07: You love God and them enough to say and do something. And sometimes when you're faithful in doing that, people want you dead.
59:17: I've said it many times. When people confront the way that we do ministry, the risky places that we put ourselves, people say, you know,
59:25: I think that that's abrasive. It's just mean -spirited. It's not kind. It's not Christian. You ought to be making friends with those people.
59:31: And what I say is, well, in the book of Acts, the apostles were beaten for their proclamation of the gospel, and people wanted them dead.
59:38: No one's tried to kill me yet, so I think I'm doing something wrong. I'm on my way. That's right.
59:47: But what's interesting here is the result of this. It says that people plotted to kill him. Their plot became known to Saul.
59:53: They were watching the gates day and night in order to kill him, but his disciples took him by night and led him down through an opening in the wall, lowering him in a basket.
01:00:02: Interesting thing about that is that it's perfectly appropriate for Christians to be wise, and if you find out people are trying to kill you, it's good to walk away.
01:00:12: So, mark that down. If you go to an abortion mill and you realize that something's about to happen, somebody's about to punch your face in or knock you out or injure you, it's not unchristian to simply say, let's find a way out, right?
01:00:24: Let's get out. Let's call the police. That's important. And not to get involved in a way where you might lose your life.
01:00:30: It's okay to sneak out of the crowd like Jesus did. And when he had come to Jerusalem, he attempted to join the disciples, and they were all afraid of him, for they did not believe that he was a disciple.
01:00:40: That was probably an interesting conversation. No, but guys, for real. Like, really, right?
01:00:47: It says, Barnabas took him and brought him to the apostles and declared to them how on the road he had seen the Lord who spoke to him, and how at Damascus he had preached boldly in the name of Jesus.
01:00:55: So he went in and out among them in Jerusalem, preaching, what? Boldly, in the name of the
01:01:02: Lord. He went in and out among them in Jerusalem, preaching boldly in the name of the
01:01:07: Lord. Here's Paul going to a place of worship, and he's stirring the pot so that they want him dead.
01:01:14: He's going in and out among them in Jerusalem, preaching boldly in the name of Jesus. And he spoke, and what?
01:01:21: Disputed, argued against the Hellenists. But they were seeking to kill him. So is it a righteous thing for Christians to actually argue with unbelievers?
01:01:34: Argue with those who are hostile to the faith? Now, you might be thinking, well, Jeff, we're all in this.
01:01:39: We understand that that's the way to go. I have to mention a lot of people are watching this right now who are part of modern evangelicalism that essentially sees
01:01:46: Christians arguing with unbelievers and says, guys, I don't know. I just don't know. I just don't know about that, y 'all.
01:01:55: You see Christians arguing for the faith, you think, well, that's not from Jesus, right? You're not being very much like Jesus.
01:02:01: Well, Jesus argued with people. Jesus confronted people with the truth. Jesus loved people enough to say something.
01:02:08: And the apostles lived in such a way, make no mistake about it, that they were vilified, crucified, decapitated, flayed, burned in ovens.
01:02:19: You see? That's what you get for living your life out loud for Jesus, right? That's the kinds of things that they did that set forth the gospel into the world.
01:02:27: Oh, and by the way, that's the reason that you know Jesus today. That's the truth. So remember this.
01:02:34: If you look in the book of Acts, you see how the church is actually moving in the world. What are they doing?
01:02:39: What are they involved in? Well, they're involved in argumentation for the glory of the gospel, for the faith.
01:02:45: They're going out into the marketplace and preaching the gospel. They're going out to the place of highest philosophical debate and discussion at the
01:02:52: Areopagus, and they're talking about Jesus. They're going places and preaching the gospel. And what takes place as a result of it is that sometimes people want to kill them.
01:02:59: And they go to other places and they preach the gospel, not in a way that is sinful and hostile and unkind.
01:03:07: They're not being jerks. All right? They're not being street screechers. Right? They're communicating the truth about the gospel.
01:03:17: And sometimes when that truth goes out, God empowers that message and he draws his people to himself.
01:03:23: Glory to God. And sometimes when that message goes out, it hits a fallen heart where there is hostility, and this person's at war with God, and in turn now they're at war with you.
01:03:35: And sometimes the apostles go into a place to preach the gospel in the public realm, in everybody's hearing.
01:03:41: And what takes place? A riot breaks out. Sometimes you preach the gospel faithfully, and people make a personal commitment to not even eat until you're dead.
01:03:52: That took place in the book of Acts. And you have to ask the question, is this just a peculiar band of believers in the first century, or is this actual godly principles laid down from Genesis to Revelation about open air proclamation of the truth?
01:04:07: Because that's a pattern you see in the Bible. You see, cultures change all the time.
01:04:13: I mean, cultures change from where you land in an airplane. Now we live in a time and an age where you can get in an airplane, and in six, seven hours you're stepping into a completely different culture.
01:04:25: So cultures shift, but these principles are unchanging in the Scriptures. The bold proclamation of the truth, public proclamation of the truth of God, those things don't ever change.
01:04:36: Now, by the way, I want to make one note here just in terms of how amazing this is right now. Think about this for a moment.
01:04:42: All throughout history, even moments like this, the apostle Paul goes to the synagogue. We don't know exactly what was said.
01:04:47: All we have is the account. Luke's telling us, well, this took place. He confounded the Jews. People wanted him dead.
01:04:54: The church was built up. They were multiplied. All that took place. That's in Acts chapter 9. All you have now is
01:04:59: Luke giving the accounting of that time that Paul went to that synagogue in Damascus, right? But it only happened once.
01:05:06: You got this little blurb about it in history right here. You see what happened, right? And then throughout history, you have giants of the faith that have done open air public proclamation of the truth.
01:05:14: You've got the Whitefields. You've got the Edwards. You've got Christians in history that turned the world upside down.
01:05:22: Sometimes it seemed like it was overnight. Public proclamation of the gospel. Whitefield going places.
01:05:27: He's preaching so much. He preached over 18 ,000 sermons in his life. Literally preached himself to death.
01:05:34: The day that he died, he actually was preaching, and then he was in a house, he wasn't feeling well, and as he walked up the stairs sick, there were people living around him, he turned and faced them and preached before he went to bed.
01:05:44: Preached a sermon for like an hour and a half. Went to bed and died. What a way to go.
01:05:51: Preached himself to death. Praise God. But changed the world with the proclamation of the gospel.
01:05:57: But here's the thing. In those moments, all you have is like a written account. I was at this thing. I traveled for two days to get to hear
01:06:03: Whitefield. And people came to Christ. It was amazing. Hard preaching. Lives were transformed. Cities were changing.
01:06:10: But it was like one moment in time. All you have is a single account. Maybe you can find it, maybe you can't. But we live in a day now where you go out into a street corner and public proclamation of the gospel, you preach that sermon, but if it's recorded, now you launch it onto the internet, and now your audience went from five very confused onlookers, right, to one million people worldwide that are watching it, right?
01:06:39: And guess what? That message that you preach, that message that you bring, wherever you do, when you put it up online, which is a gift from God.
01:06:46: By the way, God gave the internet to Christians. It's for us to glorify God with and to get the gospel out.
01:06:52: I hope you know that. That's the truth. But when you put these things out into the world, know this. Now you have the gospel on repeat 24 hours a day, 365 days a year at the click of a button around the world.
01:07:05: Think about it. Sometimes we'll put a message up, and we use this vehicle that God has given to us.
01:07:12: We put a message up, and the moment you hit, like, send, people are watching what
01:07:19: God is doing, and they're hearing the message in London, South Africa, yes, even
01:07:25: Canada. Canada happens there. South America, New Zealand, Australia.
01:07:31: All of a sudden, dots are popping up all around the map, and now this message is literally clearing the world, going around and around and around 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
01:07:41: Sometimes we get messages from people. After this public proclamation of the gospel, we put it up online, we forget about it.
01:07:48: We get a message from somebody two, three years later that came to Christ as a result of watching something that we put up on the
01:07:54: Internet three years ago. They came to Jesus. That happens all the time, brothers and sisters.
01:08:01: And so I'm adding that to this to say, look, this principle of public proclamation of the gospel, that's a principle in Scripture you can't argue with.
01:08:08: And the evangelical church of the 21st century in the West needs to learn the principles in Scripture about how the gospel is to be brought.
01:08:17: But what we have now is not simply these isolated moments in history where we preach the gospel one time to one audience and then we're done.
01:08:24: Now we take that one time to one audience and we now send it around the world at the click of a button.
01:08:30: Don't tell me the world is not getting better. Don't tell me that.
01:08:39: We can communicate the gospel now at the click of a button around the world in an instant.
01:08:45: We have no excuse, none. Consider this last thing for a moment now.
01:08:50: I know we're supposed to be doing overcoming objections, but my name is Jeff Durbin and you know how I do this, okay? This is awesome.
01:08:58: And I want you to take ownership of this, please. What we're doing right now in just this moment, right now, these cameras right here, you realize how we're putting this up right now, right?
01:09:10: We're connecting it to Facebook Live, we're clicking a button. Last night's live stream was seen this morning by over 24 ,000 people.
01:09:22: Did you see? Now think about it for a second how amazing this is. Last night's live stream, seen by over 24 ,000 people all around the world, and we did it using an app that we don't pay for.
01:09:35: Facebook is free. With some devices that we have actually paid a lot for.
01:09:44: But we connect all these things, we send them off into space, and we're doing something right now in this moment that just 15 years ago would have cost millions of dollars to do.
01:09:57: Do you know what it would cost to broadcast a conference around the world 15, 20 years ago?
01:10:05: Can you imagine? Satellites, cable, all the things that you'd have to do. And now we get to do it when we want, how we want.
01:10:12: No one in media controls it. We control it. We can change the conversation. So here's the thing, watch this.
01:10:19: When Roe v. Wade started, Christians didn't have then the ability to communicate like we do now.
01:10:27: You get to broadcast live what takes place with the gospel outside of an abortion mill. You get to do it with a thing that actually goes into your pocket.
01:10:36: You just took an entire satellite truck from the 80s and you put it into a little, right there.
01:10:41: It fits right here in your pocket, right? And it goes, watch, not just across your state or across the United States.
01:10:46: It goes around the world live, live. We have all the tools necessary to bring a public proclamation of the gospel into the world.
01:10:58: All the tools, we have no excuse. Now, watch this. Then, the marketplace you had to walk to, you had to go to it, you had to preach the gospel.
01:11:06: It was that one time, that one audience. Now the marketplace has broadened. It's much bigger now than that place down there or around your neighborhood.
01:11:16: The marketplace now has opened up to the entire world. And you can use all of these amazing devices and technologies that God has given to us to communicate the gospel.
01:11:27: All of it was given to the world, by the way, by the Christian worldview anyways. So start taking ownership of it.
01:11:33: And if you want a message on that, Apologia Studios on YouTube, we did a message on that too. Okay, here we go. So quickly,
01:11:41: I want to say in terms of apologetic methodology and defending the faith, again,
01:11:46: I can't give an entire message on apologetics today, but I will tell you that if you don't stand on Jesus Christ, you fall into futility and foolishness.
01:11:54: If you stand in defense of the truth, understand what we said last night is there's no neutrality.
01:12:00: Amen? No neutrality. You're either with Christ or against Christ. He's the source of all knowledge, wisdom, and truth.
01:12:07: Now the unbeliever also has a knowledge of Jesus. The Bible says that. They know the true God. But they suppress the truth of God and unrighteousness.
01:12:15: What's going on with the unbeliever is not lack of evidence, not enough reason, not enough light.
01:12:21: What's going on with the unbeliever underneath everything ultimately is a spiritual condition of rebellion and hostility with their
01:12:28: Creator. Now, what we don't do is go battering them around saying, well, you really know
01:12:33: God? Yes, you do. Yes, you do. What we want to do is expose the futility of their position showing that they truly do know the
01:12:39: God of the universe. Example is when you stand outside of an abortion mill and say a transgender, atheist,
01:12:49: Satanist, all three, start complaining to you about injustice.
01:12:58: Just take this as a case example here. A transgender, atheist,
01:13:04: Satanist, humanist Satanist, starts complaining about injustices. Well, the
01:13:09: Bible says that this person knows God, they suppress the truth about God and unrighteousness. So I'm standing on the word of God and Jesus Christ and this person says all these injustices are a problem.
01:13:19: Not with your atheism, my friend. Because if your world view is true, if you actually believe that there is no such thing as injustice, all we are is bipedal protoplasm in a cosmos that doesn't care.
01:13:33: And can I say something really amazing? It's so awesome. Give the unbeliever enough time and enough rope and they eventually hang themselves.
01:13:41: So for years I've been saying as I talk to atheists, well, I try to communicate quick points because sometimes they're ready to hit me or leave, okay?
01:13:48: So you believe you're bipedal protoplasm and sometimes unbelievers don't like that. It makes them uncomfortable.
01:13:54: I've had people tell me, you're just being silly. That's not really fair. You're just being obscene.
01:14:01: You're using language just to make us look ridiculous. And then Bill Nye. To all my bipeds who identify as ladies.
01:14:16: You guys see that? No? No, did you guys see it? For those of you guys that did,
01:14:22: I'm sorry. For those of you guys that are about to, I'm sorry. So Bill Nye is obviously an atheist.
01:14:30: He believes in neo -Darwinian micromutation, macroevolution. That's his worldview.
01:14:35: He's hostile to the Christian faith and message and so on. His new series on Netflix, he...
01:14:44: I'm sorry, the first episode. Wow, amazing. But he has this scene that he's very, very proud of and he launches the scene and the
01:14:54: DJ announces what's going to happen. And the DJ says, to all my bipeds who identify as ladies.
01:15:03: That is the worldview. I say, bipedal protoplasm. Oh, Jeff, you're being ridiculous.
01:15:09: You're being silly. And then Bill Nye shows up. He's like, bipeds. That's the worldview.
01:15:14: If we truly are bipedal protoplasm in a universe that does not care, then there is no reason to decry injustice.
01:15:21: As a matter of fact, there is no such thing as injustice. There's just what is. All we are is matter in motion in a cosmos that doesn't care.
01:15:28: No justice ahead of us, above us, nothing. It's just sky above us. So what it shows when the unbeliever starts talking about things like something is immoral or not right or not good or unjust, what they're displaying is that deep down in the heart of hearts, they know
01:15:46: Him. They know God and as an image bearer of God, they can't get away from the fact that they want justice, love, truth.
01:15:55: The point is they're suppressing the truth and unrighteousness. They know the true and living God. They are hostile in that moment to their creator.
01:16:02: It's my job as a Christian to communicate the gospel, not to abandon my commitments to Jesus Christ, not to play neutral with the unbeliever.
01:16:10: My job is to communicate the truth of God in the gospel to win this person to Christ.
01:16:16: That's my job. And one thing I want to point you to is the two -fold apologetic methodology.
01:16:22: It helps when communicating with people who want to fight for abortion. Proverbs 26, verses 4 through 5, two -fold apologetic methodology.
01:16:33: First, who knows it? Don't answer the fool according to his folly, lest you be like unto him.
01:16:42: And I memorized that the way that Dr. Greg Bonson used to quote it. Don't answer the fool according to their folly, or you'll be like them.
01:16:52: First point. Don't answer the fool according to their folly, or you'll be like them. That could be taken a number of different ways.
01:16:59: That could be taken in terms of you don't take the attitudes, you don't take the behavior, you don't take the beliefs of the unbeliever and begin adopting them and answering them like them.
01:17:11: So take, for example, the hostile nature of what takes place outside of Planned Parenthood. People are abusive, people get physical.
01:17:18: We don't give it back. Don't answer them according to their folly. Don't be abusive back.
01:17:23: Don't get physical back. Another thing is, don't answer them according to their folly. Don't take their presuppositions.
01:17:30: Don't take their outlook on life. Don't act like, yeah, you know, maybe Jesus isn't the
01:17:35: Messiah. You know, maybe there really isn't a God. Let's find out. What's the statistical probability?
01:17:41: Is it more towards Jesus or more no? What we want to say is the fool says in his heart there is no
01:17:46: God. If you reject the God of the Bible, you're reduced to absurdity and foolishness.
01:17:53: I don't want to take your presuppositions. I don't want to take your bankrupt, bootleg worldview.
01:17:59: It is bootleg, by the way, from us, okay? And I don't want to reason accordingly.
01:18:05: So what I want to do as a believer is actually maintain my commitments to the Word of God, to Jesus Christ.
01:18:10: When I reason, I'm not going to reason from a position of neutrality. I'm going to reason from the place where there is absolute truth, and that's found only in Jesus.
01:18:20: So that's first point. Second point of the twofold apologetic methodology is, it sounds like a contradiction, it's not.
01:18:27: It's a twofold apologetic methodology. It's two methods of answering the fool. One, don't answer them according to their foolishness.
01:18:35: The second part is to answer them according to their folly, lest they be wise in their own conceit.
01:18:44: And what's that say? That's saying step into their position. Show them the folly of their position.
01:18:50: Step into their worldview. Show them the implications of it. Don't get out of your position committed to the
01:18:58: Word of God and adopt their position. Don't pretend neutrality. But at certain moments, it's a good idea to step into their worldview and show them the absurdity of it.
01:19:09: Let them get to the logical consequences of it so you can point them ultimately back to Jesus. What's the point?
01:19:16: Is it to win arguments? Win the man. Win the woman.
01:19:23: Win the child. We're not there to win arguments. We're there to win people with the truth.
01:19:29: And I want to say this. If you struggle being a prideful person, being the kind of person that always has to be right, if you struggle with that, you need to get on your knees and you need to beat your breast and repent.
01:19:44: Because it's only the grace of God that changed your mind, if it's changed at all. Only the grace of God.
01:19:51: I would say you need to do a deep study of the sovereignty of God and salvation. That'll humble you and it'll make you ready to go out there to preach the
01:19:57: Gospel. But win people. Be respectful. Be gentle. One last thing, and we'll get to it just quickly, just some common arguments.
01:20:08: So, and I hope they're watching. I know you are. Errol? Jocelyn? We love you.
01:20:15: I know you're watching, Errol, because you say you watch me all the time. So hi, Errol. So a good example is over the last couple of months,
01:20:24: Planned Parenthood in Tempe has been coming out to try to stop what we're doing. They had a certain point where these death squirts were actually blasting music and cowbells, and they were even playing messages from Anton LaVey from the
01:20:40: Satanic Temple. I mean, it got to the point where they were doing more damage to Planned Parenthood's business than we were.
01:20:48: But it was nothing but hostility, nothing but difficulty. They really wouldn't talk with us and even have a real meaningful conversation.
01:20:55: They just ignored us and just blasted stuff and cowbell and all the rest. We finally had an opportunity over the last couple of weeks, maybe two or three weeks, to finally get them to stop with the noise, stop with the just mindless, crazy noise and just meaningless noise, and let's talk.
01:21:16: Let's have a conversation. That's why we're here, and so we did. Those conversations are up on the
01:21:22: Internet for you to see, and it went from such a hostile relationship with these two wonderful people, actually, except for the issue of child sacrifice.
01:21:31: I like them. But it went from a place where there was just hostility and mean -spirited things being said about us and cursing us and saying nasty things about us on the
01:21:40: Internet to now where we're having a gracious conversation. We're actually having a respectful, loving conversation.
01:21:47: I'm supposed to have dinner with Errol and Jocelyn sometime in the near future. When the people, not the arguments, it's not about winning an argument, it's about this person needs
01:22:00: Jesus. They need to be forgiven. We want them to know that we truly have love for them. That's the thing
01:22:06: I think we have to recognize. When we got to these abortion mills, you had better make sure that people that are there, as much as it's possible, as much as it depends upon you, you have to make sure that they understand that you love them, that you're motivated by love.
01:22:22: They have a picture of you, a caricature of you already walking there. They think you're nuts.
01:22:28: They think you're dangerous. They do think you're crazy. They think you're, and many times, an awful excuse for a human being.
01:22:36: They've said all these things to me. And so when they show up there, they have a portrait of you in their minds. Don't allow them to maintain that false caricature of you.
01:22:45: Tell the truth. Don't placate to their sensitivities. Always tell the truth, but make sure that you communicate with grace, with love.
01:22:56: Make sure you tell them how much you care about them. If you can't do that, you don't belong in an abortion mill.
01:23:02: Because if you go to an abortion mill and you bring shame to Christ's name, you're damaging our mission.
01:23:10: So make sure you get your heart right and love people. So let's talk just quickly about a couple things that are objections.
01:23:17: Number one, let's address these quickly.
01:23:22: The Christian. The Christian's objections, the professing Christian who objects to this ministry.
01:23:28: They will say, it's not loving. It's not loving. Well, there's a couple ways you can handle this.
01:23:35: What you could say is, well, God commands it. That's the death blow, right?
01:23:43: Well, Proverbs 26 says specifically to rescue them who are being led to the slaughter.
01:23:49: And so I'm actually just trying to obey God. God commands it, and so I'm trying to do that. What are you doing in response to Proverbs 26?
01:23:57: It's a good thing to ask somebody, what are you doing in response to Proverbs 26? I'm trying to love them.
01:24:03: It says, it's not very loving to the women. Well, it's good to ask this question because it's really the thing that gets forgotten in this.
01:24:08: When Christians say it's not loving to the women, what I like to say is, how do we forget about the child here?
01:24:16: It's not loving to the women. Well, we're not talking about her right now. She's the one that's going to walk out safe.
01:24:23: I want to know, what about the child? What's loving to the child?
01:24:31: Jesus said, because if you look at the ministry of Jesus, Jesus had moments where he confronted people in their sin and told the truth.
01:24:39: He called one of his personal followers, somebody he was intimate with, he said, get behind me,
01:24:44: Satan. Kind of a sharp word. He also had words to the religious establishment of his day.
01:24:52: Matthew chapter 23 is not the meek and mild Jesus we learn about in most churches in America.
01:25:01: The Jesus of Matthew 23 is the Jesus that tells them that all the blood of the righteous, from Abel to this last prophet, is going to be upon this generation.
01:25:13: He says things like, these are the days of vengeance. Jesus says, repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
01:25:20: His first word in Matthew 3 is repent, which has particular presuppositions.
01:25:27: It means that you're doing something wrong and you need to stop, turn away from it. Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
01:25:34: There's more. John the Baptist also says things like, brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath about to come?
01:25:42: The axe is already laid at the root of the trees. Bear fruit in keeping with repentance. See, this is what biblical prophets do.
01:25:48: They tell the truth. When someone says, you're being harsh. Harsh?
01:25:55: Because we go to an abortion mill and tell them, please don't murder your child. There's forgiveness in Jesus Christ.
01:26:02: We'll adopt your baby. We'll give you food, we'll give you money, we'll give you shelter, we'll give you anything you need.
01:26:08: Please have mercy on your child. Harsh? I think harsh is actually knowing that's taking place in your community and closing your eyes to it and saying and doing nothing.
01:26:21: That's harsh. That is mean -spirited. That is unkind and unloving to your little neighbors.
01:26:27: When you know what's happening and you do nothing. When they say it doesn't help, it's not a helpful ministry.
01:26:32: What they're displaying in that moment, and be gracious to them, what they're displaying in that moment is that they have no understanding of what actually is taking place.
01:26:40: When someone says it's not helping, be respectful and gracious to people who are
01:26:45: Christians and asking these questions. What I tend to do to people who are professing Christians that attack our ministry,
01:26:52: I have a simple way to handle it. First and foremost, I ignore most trolls in the internet, which is basically the entire internet.
01:27:01: But I have a way I like to handle this with professing Christians. This is what I do. I have at the ready a number of pictures of babies that we've saved.
01:27:11: Some of them are pictures of me holding the baby. So when someone says, I don't think it's helpful, I think it's wrong,
01:27:16: I think it's unloving, don't go to the abortion mill. What I do is, no comment, I just put the picture in a thread.
01:27:24: If they make another comment, I put another picture in a thread. Another comment, another picture in a thread.
01:27:29: Why? I'm trying to show, here's the fruit. This is the fruit. And what
01:27:35: I often say, if they want to continue discussing, if I think it's worth it and beneficial to even have that discussion, is
01:27:43: I'll say, well, we went and so Carmelo is alive, so should we have not been there?
01:27:52: What would have happened if we weren't there? Well, we went, Christians went, and Olivia Grace and Cara are alive now, twin girls, saved a planned parenthood
01:28:01: Tempe. Here's their pictures. So should those Christians have not have been there? Should these girls be dead?
01:28:08: Now, that'll get people who are professing Christians thinking. And like I said last night, you've got two methodologies that are being debated.
01:28:16: One is go, and the result is lives are saved, the gospel is preached.
01:28:22: We're talking in the hundreds. The other methodology is say and do nothing, right?
01:28:28: Be pro -life in your church and vote Republican. And ask the question, how many babies have you saved?
01:28:34: It's not wrong to ask that question, by the way. It's not haughty in any way. We're talking about the lives of children here, and you have somebody attacking this ministry name in the name of Christ.
01:28:43: It's a worthy conversation to have. Say, let's do it. Let's talk about it. Two methodologies suggested, mine and yours.
01:28:49: How many babies have you saved? How many? With your keeping silent and being pro -life in your heart and head.
01:28:58: How many women have you preached the gospel to in light of abortion?
01:29:05: How many women do you know who are considering abortion that you communicated the love of Christ to and you offered to serve and help?
01:29:12: How many babies have you actually offered to adopt with your methodology? Do you see the point?
01:29:19: So communicate that to professing Christians. Let them see it. Let them hear it. Now let's talk about the unbeliever.
01:29:27: Well, you guys already, I'm speaking to the choir for some of you guys. You guys are the veterans. Many of you guys could be up here yourselves, but you all know these are the common arguments.
01:29:37: What if she was raped? Now know this, that when that argument is used, it is very effective.
01:29:45: And it's effective for a significant reason. It's effective because we're in the image of God.
01:29:53: It's effective because we know as Christians, what? That rape is absolutely wrong.
01:29:59: As a matter of fact, in the Bible, God says that the punishment for rape should be the death penalty. That's how serious
01:30:06: God is about rape. Watch, God values women so much more than our modern culture.
01:30:13: Modern culture, you have people that rape women and be out in six months. That's the truth. That's the truth.
01:30:20: God so values women and prizes them and sees so much value and dignity in them that if somebody rapes a woman, he says that's capital punishment.
01:30:29: But when someone says, what if she was raped, know this, that they're appealing to emotional argumentation that they don't have any right to.
01:30:36: Because if they reject the God of the Bible, they have no basis to complain about rape. So notice, when someone brings up the rape challenge in the context of abortion, they are pulling on your
01:30:47: Christian heartstrings. So what you ought to do as a Christian is get underneath it.
01:30:54: When someone says, what if she was raped, it's good to ask this, what's wrong with rape?
01:31:00: They say, what are you, what? What? What do you mean what's wrong with rape?
01:31:05: Well, tell me. I know why I think it's absolutely wrong. I think that people, you begin, it's a violation of another human being.
01:31:12: It's doing things to their body that you don't have permission to do. It's taking liberties with their body that you ought not to take.
01:31:20: You say, thank you for that wonderful pro -life argument. What's wrong with rape?
01:31:31: In principle, it's the very same thing wrong with abortion. Same thing.
01:31:38: And so expose it. And here's what we say when someone says, what if she was raped? That's an awful, awful, horrific thing.
01:31:46: We want to come aside every woman who has ever been raped and love them and care for their needs.
01:31:51: But I can share with you the stories of children who were conceived in rape who are actually adults now and would ask you, please don't kill me.
01:32:02: You see, at no other time in our judicial system do we suggest giving capital punishment to children of criminals.
01:32:11: You don't kill a child because their father is a criminal. And so communicate that.
01:32:18: What if there are birth defects and now we're in a very dangerous slippery slope?
01:32:26: Who defines what is too much deformity? Who defines what is too much of a defect? There are people in this room right now that have what we would call deformities or defects, health problems, handicaps.
01:32:38: So it's a slippery slope to start saying, well, we can kill children based upon their birth defects. Well, where's the cutoff?
01:32:44: How much is too deformed? What is too much of a birth defect to not be worthy of life?
01:32:50: And I'll say this, I do believe that children who are handicapped deserve to live.
01:32:58: So what you could do is just do it in a punchy way. When someone says, what if there's a birth defect? You should say, yeah,
01:33:04: I don't think we should kill handicapped children. Don't kill the handicapped kids, please.
01:33:12: Do you have another challenge for abortion? Like, what if there's birth defects?
01:33:19: All right, so kill all the special ed kids. Right? And this is an amazing thing, and I mean this sincerely, just it's a, it's a soft spot for me, this one.
01:33:32: When I was 18, I moved out to Arizona, finished high school out in Arizona at Gilbert High School, and I had like two or three classes, credits that I had to do.
01:33:42: It was so stupid, public school. Oh, goodness. Totally like three classes, didn't, and there's like, just come in and do these classes, and they were all electives.
01:33:54: So it was like, you're gonna be a theater arts assistant, and they were like, and this assistant, you need one more, and they had, they said, oh, we have a special needs class, you can be an assistant too, and I said, that would be awesome,
01:34:06: I'd love to do that. So for my last part of my high school, I was an assistant in a class with severely handicapped children, teenagers.
01:34:17: I mean, these were, these were kids that had to be carried around the classroom these were kids that could barely speak or communicate.
01:34:26: These were kids that were so severely handicapped and in many ways deformed that it was, it was hard to even manage.
01:34:35: We had to change their diapers, and these are like 16, 17 year old kids. And so when someone says to me, what if they have a birth defect?
01:34:44: What if they're gonna be deformed? That's a soft spot for me because I've cared for some of these amazing human beings, and I'll tell you this,
01:34:51: I don't want to murder them. I don't want to kill them. They deserve to live as much as I do.
01:34:58: So what if there's birth defects? So your argument is kill all the handicapped children.
01:35:03: Right. What about incest? Same line of reasoning.
01:35:11: What I typically say is I know people who are products of incestuous relationships and I don't think we should kill them.
01:35:18: And that's the truth. What if she is poor? What if she can't take care of her children?
01:35:24: What if she's poor? What if she can't care for her kids? Okay, so your argument is kill all the poor kids.
01:35:34: You might say, well, that's just simple. That's because it's foolish. That's because the argument is utterly foolish.
01:35:41: Answer the fool according to their folly. They're using an emotionally based argument. What if she's poor?
01:35:48: What if it's gonna be hard? Okay, so if life gets hard, if you hit a moment of financial difficulty, kill the kid?
01:35:59: Well, what about this? Let's change the scenario. What if we're not in the womb now, but we're, say, three or four years old, dad and mom lose their jobs and we hit a moment of financial difficulty?
01:36:11: Do we give mothers and fathers now permission to kill two and three year olds because we lose our jobs?
01:36:17: Well, Johnny, dad got laid off today. Can you imagine?
01:36:30: But that's the form of argumentation. Here we go. My body?
01:36:37: You've been there. Okay. My body, my choice. Now, what you can say in a playful way is congratulations.
01:36:45: And they say, congratulations for what? Well, it takes a certain level of skill to do what you just did. What do you mean what
01:36:51: I just did? Well, you just set the clock back so far that that's actually a skill. Congratulations.
01:36:56: Whatever do you mean? Well, that's exactly the argument slave owners used for their slaves.
01:37:04: My property, my choice. I get to determine what's life and property on my property.
01:37:12: You don't have any business here. Here's what's this. Ready? Don't want an abortion?
01:37:18: Don't get one. Congratulations again. These are the same exact arguments used during the time of slavery in the
01:37:26: United States. They said, my property, my choice to have a slave. And they said, of course, the same thing about the slaves.
01:37:37: They owned them. They owned them. They were their property. My body, my choice.
01:37:46: Don't want a slave? Don't get one. You realize, of course, these were the arguments.
01:37:52: They said exactly these things. You don't want a slave? Don't get one. It's just a fetus.
01:38:03: Some of you guys know how I respond to this one. You say, why don't you just please speak
01:38:09: English? What do you mean? Well, fetus comes from Latin. It referred to the newborn offspring of a creature.
01:38:16: It referred to, essentially, a small child. And so you can feel free to speak English here.
01:38:23: Okay? So it's just a small child. It's just a baby. And they say, no, no, no.
01:38:29: It's a clump of cells. It's just a cluster of cells. And what you could say is, and so are you.
01:38:35: A very complex structure of cells. But actually, what it is in the womb is all the biological components of a human being from conception.
01:38:43: The only difference is the difference of degree, change over time. I gave you guys the sled argument. Memorize it and know it because most of the arguments that you'll get outside of the abortion mill when it comes to very bad argumentation for abortion comes down to those areas.
01:38:58: Size. It's small. Level of development, environment, and degree of dependence. I'll just do this quickly.
01:39:05: Excuse my nose here, guys. It's barely hanging on. Size. It's really, really small.
01:39:12: It's not fully developed yet. Well, I can introduce you to my eight -year -old. He's not fully developed yet.
01:39:19: He's very small. My wife is also very small. Right?
01:39:24: Is she in danger? Can we kill human beings because they're not big enough? Next is the level of development.
01:39:34: Not fully developed. Neither are one -year -olds. Neither are two -year -olds. Neither are five -year -olds.
01:39:39: Neither are nine -year -olds. Neither are ten -year -olds. Not fully developed yet. When do we kill human beings because they're not fully developed?
01:39:49: Environment. It's inside me. It's dependent upon my body for support.
01:39:57: It's dependent upon me for support. And again, another example is, do we kill children based upon the different locations they go in and out of in the home?
01:40:09: So it's in the womb, so we can kill it. But not over here. Environment determines.
01:40:16: And so you can ask the same questions I asked last week to the ASU students. When somebody says, well, it's dependent upon the life support of the mother.
01:40:25: Okay? So therefore we can kill it. So what you can say is, okay, so if any human being ever has to be on life support, we can murder them.
01:40:34: Right? That's the standard. If they are dependent upon another human being, we have the right to kill them.
01:40:42: Is that your standard? Ask those questions. Answer the fool according to their folly.
01:40:49: Next is the final thing, degree of dependence, dependent upon another human being, the mother.
01:40:57: It's good to point out to people that we will all be dependent upon other human beings throughout our lives at different stages.
01:41:04: Listen, my 8 -year -old, my 12 -year -old, my 16 -year -old, and my 17 -year -old are still dependent upon me for their survival.
01:41:13: Some more than others. I'm going to stop.
01:41:19: I almost had a joke to tell there. I'm not going to do it. Okay? But at the same time, as we go over this curve in life and we get to the end part of our lives, don't many of us fall into a place at the latter side of our life where we are dependent upon other human beings?
01:41:35: At the small stage, dependent. At the final stage, dependent. So you can say to the pro -choice advocate, so your argument is degrees of dependence mean we can kill them.
01:41:48: And when do you stop? Why do you choose in the womb and not when they're 1, 2, 3, or 4?
01:41:56: Because here's the thing. It's a slippery slope, isn't it? Don't people talk today about post -birth abortion?
01:42:04: Isn't that a conversation people are having? Because to be consistent, you would have to be. Next. I should be able to murder my child.
01:42:17: I should be able to kill my child. Here's the answer for that one.
01:42:23: Repent and believe the gospel. That's the problem. And I just want to say it.
01:42:29: The problem of the pro -life movement in trying to convince people that it's a human being is that they already know it's a human being.
01:42:35: They already know it's their baby. They already know. And you can convince them all day long that it's a human being.
01:42:43: And what they're going to say ultimately at the end of that conversation because of where they are truly at with God is I have a right to kill my baby.
01:42:49: That's why we need the gospel. That's why the pro -life movement will never end abortion ultimately in a way that is meaningful or glorifying to God.
01:42:57: Because the problem of the heart still remains. You see, watch this. I believe this.
01:43:03: If America stopped abortions tomorrow, no more abortion, we still haven't actually accomplished what
01:43:12: God would call us to in this Holocaust. And that is the proclamation of His Lordship and salvation in the midst of it.
01:43:20: Our nation needs to repent. I don't believe, and I mean this with all my heart,
01:43:25: I don't believe that if we, what the pro -life movement suggests, just simply stop committing abortions, that we're fine.
01:43:35: Because we've got 60 million babies deep that our nation needs to repent over.
01:43:41: I don't believe we're going to miss the judgment of God and the wrath of God on our nation simply by stopping abortions.
01:43:49: There has to be national repentance and God please forgive us of our sin.
01:43:56: We have to consider that because it's significant. It's about the gospel. They don't need to be convinced that it's a child or a human being.
01:44:04: They believe they should be able to kill it. Read the accounts of the abortion doctors. They say,
01:44:10: I know it's a baby. I'm killing a human being. They're not saying, I'm not sure what it is.
01:44:16: Many of them say, I know it's a child and I'm killing it. Some of them give them funerals. They do.
01:44:26: Okay, final points here. We'll have time for more questions later you guys can ask.
01:44:31: I'd love for you guys to share your testimonies later too. 30 seconds. You give
01:44:37: Christians the microphone. It's a dangerous thing. Let's start back when
01:44:44: I was one. My father, well, let me tell you about my father real fast. When he was born, you ever done that going to a church service, right?
01:44:54: Everyone's in there like, praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. Hands together the microphone and the guy stands up, the weirdest guy in the room. Always hard to manage that.
01:45:04: One time I had a guy stand up at a praise prayer night thing.
01:45:12: Woo. He stood up. Pastor Jeff, Pastor Jeff. I want to thank the
01:45:19: Lord for letting me take that man's wind. Yeah, that's how we were all like, you took some man's wind.
01:45:25: He was praised. He wanted to thank God that he socked a guy and took his wind. How do you recover from that?
01:45:34: I don't know. So what I'm saying is, don't do anything weird like that when we open the microphone, please.
01:45:39: Because Marcus will shut you down. Okay, the legislature. The New York Post and the
01:45:46: Metro UK did an article on me recently. They called me an extremist hipster.
01:45:52: They said extremist hipster wants to execute women who have abortions. Very provocative title.
01:46:00: It's wrong. I'm not a hipster. And I also personally don't want to execute anybody.
01:46:13: That's not my jurisdiction. It is actually the government's job to uphold justice and to punish evildoers.
01:46:23: Not my job. But there are challenges that arise in this entire conversation.
01:46:30: Here are the challenges. People will say, I want abortionists. I want them punished.
01:46:35: But not moms. Mothers who actually have abortions, I don't want them punished.
01:46:42: Just the abortionists. And when someone actually hears our position, that we believe that it's murder, and it should be punished by the state as murder, they often say, that seems harsh.
01:46:53: Really? You believe that? Or the unbelievers actually think that our position is obscene.
01:46:59: Obscene enough to write articles against me, saying extremist hipster actually wants to execute women who have abortions.
01:47:06: That seems so provocative. But let's ask the question. It really is surrounding two things.
01:47:12: Two things are happening there, and really, that's it. Two things. One, is abortion murder?
01:47:19: So in the conversation, when someone says, oh, that seems super harsh, well, there are two things to talk about.
01:47:25: One, is it murder? And two, what should the penalty for murder be? That's all that's happening there.
01:47:32: Now, if you talk to the Christian who disagrees with punishment for abortion, you have to ask them those two things.
01:47:40: Just two. One, is abortion murder? And two, what should the punishment for murder be?
01:47:50: It surrounds those things. And what do we have to do to answer the question? Well, I would say go to God's Word.
01:47:56: What does God say consistently from Genesis to Revelation, the entire spectrum of the scriptures, what does the
01:48:04: Bible say consistently and all the time? When a person murders another human being, what is the righteous punishment from the state for murder?
01:48:18: Life for life. That is from Genesis to Revelation. If you murder another human being, the just penalty from the state ought to be life for life.
01:48:29: And by the way, over 30 states in our union still say that capital punishment is a just answer for murder.
01:48:38: Now, somebody might say, as a professing Christian, here's the thing.
01:48:48: We're no longer under law. We're under grace. Well, I would point you to Romans 3 where he says, do we then make void the law through faith?
01:49:00: God forbid. Actually, we establish the law. That's what he says.
01:49:06: But I would further point you to the Apostle Paul. Somebody says, no, after Jesus and his ministry, we're not concerned with that at all.
01:49:13: The law of God doesn't apply here. God's standards don't apply here. We're not even concerned in any way with those things as Christians.
01:49:19: I would say Romans chapter 13, the Apostle Paul says that the civil magistrate, the government, the state is
01:49:26: God's deacon, his servant, his servant, to do what?
01:49:35: To essentially uphold justice and punish evildoers. So, God's ordained institution to handle justice in a society, watch, post -cross, post -resurrection, post -ascension,
01:49:49: Romans 13, looking back at the cross, it's already done. Jesus is already on his throne.
01:49:54: Paul says today, in the Christian era, the government is God's servant to uphold justice.
01:50:02: Now, real fast, whose servant is the civil magistrate? Tell me again.
01:50:09: The true God? Or some other God? In Romans 13, the inspired apostle says that the state, the government, who upholds justice, is
01:50:22: God's servant, his servant, to serve the true
01:50:27: God. Now, the question is, what is God's standard against murder? Life for life.
01:50:35: If you take somebody's blood, shed somebody's blood, then your blood has to be shed. There's essentially harmony brought through that.
01:50:42: Now, there are more challenges that come to this. We have to talk about it. And that is this, too. The Apostle Paul, when he was in trial, he was being brought up on charges, essentially being called a lawbreaker.
01:50:53: In the book of Acts, go read it later. The reference Acts 21 through 23.
01:50:59: Read those chapters there to get the context. When the Apostle Paul, after the death of Jesus, the resurrection of Jesus, and the ascension of Jesus, when he is brought up on charges, they're essentially bringing him up now to condemn him.
01:51:12: He says this, after the cross of Jesus, after the resurrection, I'm stressing it again so you get it, in the
01:51:19: Christian era, he says this, if I have done anything worthy of death, then
01:51:27: I do not object to dying. He says, with Jesus on his throne, with salvation now broken into history, before a judge, if I've done anything worthy of death, worthy of the death penalty, then
01:51:45: I don't object to dying. Now, I would suggest this. This would have been a premier moment for the
01:51:52: Apostle Paul to say something about that. To say, oh, you don't understand, guys.
01:51:58: You see, we live in the Christian era now where God's not concerned with justice. We live in the Christian era now where there is no death penalty.
01:52:06: We live in the Christian era now where we're not concerned as a church for these things. He actually says, if I've done anything worthy of death,
01:52:12: I don't object to dying. Because God's standards are unchanging.
01:52:21: Now, consider for a moment now, this is really important, guys, consider for a moment now the convoluted thinking within the church at this point here.
01:52:29: We say, abortion is murder, but I don't want women to be punished for abortion.
01:52:35: Now, by the way, what do we say about that? We want every woman to know Jesus Christ. We want every woman to be forgiven of their sin.
01:52:41: We want every woman to be washed. There are women in this room today who know Jesus, who have had abortions, that are forgiven, and God will never condemn.
01:52:49: He will never hold your sin against you. You are washed, and you stand in the righteousness of Jesus Christ. That's the truth.
01:52:56: But when someone says, I believe abortion is murder, but women shouldn't be punished for it, they're showing the contradictory nature of their thinking.
01:53:04: Ask them this question. Do you believe that people who, say, rob someone's home in the middle of the night, should they be punished by the state for theft if they're caught?
01:53:19: What do Christians all say to that? Yep. Do you believe that if a man breaks in someone's house and violates a woman, say, another man's wife, should he be punished for rape?
01:53:34: What do Christians say? Yes. So, notice this. Christians say, well, we know it's murder, but we want these women to know the gospel.
01:53:44: We want them to be forgiven. Well, I do too. Me too. But I also know that God is still concerned with justice.
01:53:53: Take this example for a moment now. You have a guy, he's running down the street at 9 .30 at night.
01:53:59: You're sitting down with your friends at a coffee shop, and all of a sudden this guy comes running up, and he dives into the coffee shop, and you're like, what's going on?
01:54:08: And he's like, panting, and he's panting, and he's breathing, and he's like, I just stole something from someone's house, and now the police are after me.
01:54:15: And you're like, oh, man, let me share the gospel with you. You need to know Jesus, and this is sin. You need to be forgiven.
01:54:20: This is what Jesus did. And all of a sudden, right there, you have revival in the coffee shop, and this thief comes to Jesus, turns to Christ right there, turns and receives
01:54:30: Christ, puts their faith in Him, and now you put your arm around him, you're hugging him, and all of a sudden, whoo, whoo, cops show up.
01:54:38: Cops show up, they walk up to the coffee shop, they see the perpetrator, and they come in, guns up, and they're ready to arrest this guy.
01:54:47: Do Christians go, halt! This man is saved.
01:54:55: Do we do that? Do we say to police officers, officer, officer, you don't understand.
01:55:01: This man has totally turned to Jesus. What do we do?
01:55:06: We recognize, we say to the thief, hey man, like you're in Jesus now, and you're forgiven of all your sin, but this is an institution that God has ordained to bring harmony.
01:55:16: You gotta make this right. You gotta face now the justice for your crime. You're forgiven of all your sins, and God's never gonna condemn you, but this institution is here by God to bring harmony.
01:55:28: You gotta face justice. Do you notice that, the contradiction? Christians recognize in all these other areas that when there is a crime and a sin like in these areas, that there is forgiveness of sins, the church proclaims that, but the state has to also keep harmony and bring justice.
01:55:46: And in the area of abortion, you have Christians that'll say, it's murder, but I don't want the woman to be punished.
01:55:57: So here's the questions you ask. Okay, is it a human being? And the Christian says what?
01:56:04: Yes. Is it murder? What do they say? Yes. Watch, here we go.
01:56:10: What if they say no? They're professing Christian, and they say, no, it's not murder.
01:56:17: Then you ask this. Okay, if it's not murder, then why do you want it stopped? If it's not murder, then why do you want it stopped?
01:56:26: And what does God call it? Now, if they say, yes, it's murder, it's a human being and it's murder, then you ask this question.
01:56:33: What does God say the punishment for murder should be in his word from Genesis to Revelation?
01:56:39: You only have one answer there, brothers and sisters. Someone says, but we're not under the law.
01:56:44: We're under grace. Bible says, do we then make void the law through faith?
01:56:50: God forbid. Paul says, if I've done anything worthy of death, I don't object to dying.
01:56:56: Now, somebody says this. That's not the role of the church.
01:57:02: It's not the role of the church to speak into these areas. Well, I would point people to Matthew chapter 28, verses 18 through 20.
01:57:16: Jesus says, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
01:57:23: Therefore, go make disciples of all the nations. And what's he do? He says, teach them to do what?
01:57:29: To obey, teach them to obey. So Jesus doesn't have some authority.
01:57:34: He's not waiting for authority. He has what? All authority. Where? In heaven.
01:57:40: And every Christian today goes, and that's it. Right? All authority in heaven.
01:57:46: And where else? On earth. And so the church has the duty before God to speak the word of God and his standards of justice into the realm of the civil magistrates so they know what is just before God.
01:58:01: And we can have an entire discussion, but we're ending now, an entire discussion of what the Bible says about the kingdom of the
01:58:06: Messiah and the justice that will bring and the law of God and all of that. But it's important to note that the person who says it's not the role of the church to speak into this area, listen, they don't really believe it.
01:58:22: They don't really believe it. Proof is when somebody, watch, when somebody steals their car stereo, these
01:58:30: Christians are dialing 911 because they believe that there should be justice for crimes.
01:58:39: When somebody breaks into their home, they call the police. When somebody assaults their child, they call the police.
01:58:47: They want justice. When a person says it's not the role of the church, what they're really saying is
01:58:54: I don't really believe that it's murder, I don't believe it's an image bearer of God, and I don't want to do anything about it.
01:59:01: When they say it's not the role of the church, because we recognize from the
01:59:06: Scriptures that it is the role of the church to speak prophetically to every area about the authority of Jesus Christ.
01:59:13: By the way, this is important. When we say it's just a quip, it's like a
01:59:18: T -shirt now we wear. Christians just say it. They say it's about the gospel, man. Just preach the gospel.
01:59:24: Just preach the gospel. People say, stay out of politics and just preach the gospel. What's the heart inside the gospel?
01:59:32: What is the heart? It's, watch, the declaration of the lordship of Jesus Christ.
01:59:39: Do you understand? Watch, it says in Matthew when Jesus destroys
01:59:44: Satan in the wilderness, lays the smackdown on Satan in the wilderness, defeats him, right? It says that he's going forth doing what?
01:59:53: Proclaiming the gospel of the kingdom. The rule, the good news of the rule of God.
02:00:00: The good news of the rule of the Messiah. You've got to capture that. When someone says, just preach the gospel,
02:00:08: I say, I am. The authority of Jesus Christ over every area.
02:00:13: Preach the gospel, that means talking about Christ's full authority. That means talking about Jesus as lord of lords and king of kings.
02:00:22: Inside the gospel is not simply a private relationship between Jesus and me. The gospel is the proclamation of His full authority.
02:00:32: And you better repent in a hurry and believe in Jesus. Preach the gospel.
02:00:38: Within preaching the gospel is proclaiming to every area of life that God has standards that He calls you to obey.
02:00:46: Final word on this, Psalm chapter 2. The father says to the son, ask of me,
02:00:52: I'll give you the nations for your inheritance, the very ends of the earth for your possession. So that means the whole world.
02:00:59: Everything belongs to Jesus. It's all His. But then the father says to the kings of the earth, be wise.
02:01:08: Obey the son or you'll perish. So there is the command of God to the kings of the earth to obey
02:01:15: Jesus or they'll perish. The word of God needs to go to every area of life.
02:01:24: If it's murder, then we have to have an answer for it. What is the just penalty for murder?
02:01:32: So that's what the Bible says. What we need to do is speak to our state legislatures and say that's a human being. It's murder to kill it.
02:01:39: You guys need to figure out how to handle that. You guys need to figure out how to respond to mothers and fathers who pay assassins to chop their boys and girls into pieces.
02:01:52: And by the way, this really is the final thing I'm going to say here because I've got to go. Change the conversation.
02:01:59: Do you understand that unbelievers, people who are part of the pro -choice movement, that they have crafted very specific language to fight against you?
02:02:13: You can almost say it before them, can't you? Like when Hillary Clinton goes up and talks about abortion, she says, we believe that that decision should be left...
02:02:23: Come on now, help me. Woman, her doctor, her family, her
02:02:29: God, her pastor, right? It's the same line. We believe that abortion should be safe, rare and legal, right?
02:02:38: You see? You got it. That's the language. And they say, well, what if she was raped? We think, you know, what about rape?
02:02:45: Isn't it amazing? They use what is the less than 2 % of all abortions.
02:02:51: They go for the examples that are the most uncommon for abortion to have abortion on demand.
02:02:58: That's very precise language. They say fetus, all these things.
02:03:04: Change the conversation. Use the proper terminology. Tell the truth. So when they start saying fetus, say, you mean baby?
02:03:12: You mean a human being? You mean a child? When they talk about abortion, you say, you mean murdering a child?
02:03:19: When you talk about what takes place in an abortion mill, you may not like it, but you need to use the right terminology.
02:03:25: How do you talk about abortion? How do you talk about it?
02:03:32: I think you should describe what's actually taking place. Cutting the legs off a little boy.
02:03:40: Cutting the heart out of a little girl. Cutting the head off of a child. Taking a body and destroying it.
02:03:49: Breaking this child into pieces. Cutting this baby into pieces and putting their body back together again on a tray.
02:03:56: You mean that? What they do in there is health care. Health care? Health care for who?
02:04:04: Health care, you mean dismembering and decapitating a little boy? Health care?
02:04:10: That? You see, what we have to do as Christians is take ownership of the language.
02:04:18: And can I just say a word on this in terms of changing the conversation? Did you notice the last election, it was fantastic.
02:04:24: Did you notice how many people were calling abortion murder? Wasn't it awesome to see
02:04:30: Chris Christie in a debate with the Republicans? The governor of New Jersey say murder?
02:04:40: Many people in the pro -life movement won't even use that word. And the governor of New Jersey called it murder.
02:04:48: How about Milo Yiannopoulos? Milo was on Joe Rogan. And he said boldly, it's murder, murder.
02:04:58: And they're proud of it. Murdering their children is disgusting. It's disgusting. He said murder.
02:05:04: Here is a professed homosexual calling it murder.
02:05:11: And here's the governor of New Jersey calling it murder. We're living in strange times.
02:05:19: Here's why it's super strange, uber strange. Because we're having the hardest time getting the leaders in the pro -life movement to say it's murder and not to be punished as murder.
02:05:31: Change the conversation. Take back the conversation. Call it what it is.
02:05:37: Murder, dismembering a little boy, dismembering a little girl. Here's the thing. They have crafted their language in a very deceptive way.
02:05:45: All we have to do is simply tell the truth. What we're saying is not deceptive. It's just the way that it is.
02:05:53: That's their version of health care. Change the conversation. We can go on and on and on, and I would.
02:06:01: But that's just a small smattering, a touch on a few things. We have Q &A in just a little bit here, guys.
02:06:06: You guys can ask questions, and I would like. I'm going to talk to Marcus about this. I'd like for you guys to be prepared just for quick testimonies about how
02:06:14: God has used maybe our ministry to help you and what
02:06:19: God has done. I want to hear these stories. Some of you guys have already been sharing the stories of babies saved. I mean, if you would, just some of you guys, maybe just one person from your group be ready to grab this microphone and just share a quick story about how
02:06:31: God has used you. I'd love to hear it, okay? Sound good? Praise God.
02:06:36: Thank you guys for hanging around for this long session. Let's pray real fast. Father, thank you for the time we had together,
02:06:42: Lord. I know that it's a blitz, God, and there's so much more to learn and be prepared for. I pray that,
02:06:48: God, it was a blessing to your people and you will continue to use it. In Jesus' name, amen. Thanks for putting up with my nose, guys.
02:06:54: Thank you. Since two years ago, after beginning
02:07:01: End Abortion Now, God has raised up about 300 local churches across the United States of America who have saved literally thousands of children from death.
02:07:11: Now, through your work together with us, there are Christian churches in southern and northern
02:07:17: Ireland, in Canada, across the United States of America, in Australia and New Zealand, who are working to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion, not in the way that the pro -life movement typically does, but to do it as Christians, standing on the biblical worldview and the message of Jesus.
02:07:35: We told you two years ago that we wanted to partner together with you to end abortion now.
02:07:41: We gave a strategy to work towards that end. The first plank was, one, bringing the local churches with the message of the gospel to bring
02:07:49: Mercy Ministries to the abortion mills where the murder is actually taking place. The second thing we wanted to do is we wanted to bring the message of Christ into conflict with the culture of death and abortion.
02:08:01: We wanted to do that by engaging the issue of abortion from a truly Christian and biblical perspective into the public square.
02:08:10: We wanted to flood the internet with content that showed the gospel coming into conflict with abortion.
02:08:16: We wanted to show the lives that have been saved, and we have done that. God has allowed that message to go out and be seen by millions upon millions upon millions of people.
02:08:25: We also wanted to begin to engage the issue of abortion at the legislature as Christians.
02:08:32: We wanted the prophetic ministry of the local church to actually begin to engage our civil magistrates.
02:08:38: We wanted a call to repentance. We wanted to demand immediate justice. We wanted mercy to fall on these children.
02:08:44: What God has done through this ministry is absolutely humbling and undeniably
02:08:50: His. In 2019, we have a very special plan that we wanted you to join together with us in.
02:08:58: We want to continue that work of bringing the gospel to the abortion mills, flooding the internet with the message of Christ in conflict with the abortion issue and to bring the prophetic ministry of the church to our legislature.
02:09:11: However, we want to do it in a unique way. This year, we want to actually train and equip you, the members of local churches globally, to actually create your own ministry like ours in terms of actually engaging this issue in the public square with your own media ministry.
02:09:29: We know that it cannot simply be Apologia Church flooding the public square with the message of Jesus in conflict with abortion.
02:09:36: It must be churches globally. However, there's a new path we want to take as well. We want to bring the message of Christ to our civil magistrates in a very, very serious,
02:09:47: Christian, and compelling way. We believe that it's actually the responsibility of Christian churches to speak with the word of God to the civil magistrates that God has raised up.
02:09:56: And what we want to do is actually begin the next phase of End Abortion Now. We want to bring the Christian message now against the legislature.
02:10:04: We want to speak to them demanding justice for these children and mercy upon these children. We want to speak to them as the local church.
02:10:12: And finally, our producer and director, Marcus Pittman, is creating Babies Are Murdered Here Too.
02:10:18: Babies Are Still Murdered Here. And the focus of that documentary is to actually raise up the local churches across the world to actually bring the message of Christ and the biblical worldview into conflict with abortion at their local legislature.
02:10:33: In 2019, with all that we are doing to save lives, to bring the ministries to the abortion mills, to flood the internet, and to speak to the legislature and create
02:10:42: Babies Are Murdered Here Too, we have a fraction of the budget of the pro -life ministries worldwide. Our goal for 2019 is $400 ,000.
02:10:51: With that $400 ,000, you're going to partner with us to not only save thousands of lives, but you're going to help us to raise up churches with no cost to them at all.
02:11:00: You're going to help us to create a film that will change the heart of the Christian culture. And you're going to help us to once and for all end abortion now.
02:11:08: Will you partner with us once again to do this amazing work for the glory of God? Go to EndAbortionNow .com
02:11:15: to partner with us, to help us to make our goal for 2019. We will be so grateful to you, and we are trusting in God to once and for all end the scourge upon our world.
02:11:31: And I pray, God, today, that you would move in a mighty way, Lord God, to open the eyes and hearts of these people and draw them to your
02:11:38: Son. Let us speak clearly about your love, Lord, and your holiness and wrath. I pray that you would once and for all put this under your feet,
02:11:45: Lord Jesus. In your name we pray, amen. We're here outside of the
02:12:05: Planned Parenthood in Phoenix. This is the day across the nation that people have been protesting outside of Planned Parenthood clinics nationwide.
02:12:12: We want this to be a gospel -centered ministry where it's the gospel that is going out, not simply saying, be pro -life.
02:12:20: We don't want to talk about simple issues like the health care of the mother and those sorts of things. We want to talk about the lives of these babies, the fact that this is murder, and it's only the gospel that's actually going to transform the hearts and lives of these people.
02:12:31: Do you remember when abortions were illegal? And they were done illegally, unsafely, and young women died.
02:12:40: Shouldn't murders take place in back alleys? Shouldn't murders be...
02:12:45: You're hijacking and changing the point of the issue. These are not murders because it's not an illegal thing.
02:12:52: I'm talking directly to you. Why do you hold up the flag when people are beside you? Is there something you're ashamed of?
02:13:00: Is there something you're trying to... That's where a lot of murders do take place, yes, sir. They take place in back alleys and in dark rooms.
02:13:06: You're... Yes! Yes! That's right. So advocating for safe circumstances for murders is not really a cogent argument, is it?
02:13:16: You're pulling the issue totally off track. No, it's called a self -refutation, sir. No. You're refuting yourself.
02:13:23: You know very well that prohibition did not stop alcohol manufacture, alcohol use.
02:13:31: Sir, what you're advocating for is to make safe and legal circumstances for thieves so that they don't injure themselves while they're robbing banks.
02:13:38: Come on, come on, get off of that. Sir, sir, sir, address the argument.
02:13:44: The Bible says there was none righteous, not even one, none who does good, none who seeks for God. Destruction and misery are in their paths.
02:13:54: You should know from us that we care for you, we love you. We're here out of concern for you, your souls.
02:14:01: What's wrong? Can you explain to me what's wrong with rape? Is it a violation of another person's body? Body, mind, soul, everything.
02:14:09: So is it taking liberties with somebody's body that it ought not to take? You are retarded. It's not just the body.
02:14:15: It's the soul. It's the privacy. It is the identity. Thank you for that excellent pro -life argument against murdering children.
02:14:26: You are advocating for the murder of children and the destruction of human life all the while hanging on to an inconsistency calling rape wrong.
02:14:36: I say go all the way. If you're going to advocate for the murder of helpless babies, then also advocate for the safety of rapists.
02:14:44: And there is peace. There is peace. There is forgiveness. God became man in the person of Christ.
02:14:52: He lived a righteous and sinless life. He was not a murderer. He did not entertain murderous thoughts like you.
02:15:03: He was perfect in every way. He died to take a death that we deserve.
02:15:09: He was buried and he rose again so that all who would turn from sin and come to him in faith would receive the gift of eternal life.
02:15:19: Your message is the antithesis of the gospel. I agree with you that abortion is dreadful and awful.
02:15:26: Why? Why? Why? Because it does kill an unborn baby.
02:15:33: Thank you. Planned Parenthood decapitates, disembowels, beheads a thousand babies a day.
02:15:49: God calls you to turn from your sin to Christ where there is forgiveness. There is peace only in Christ.
02:15:57: God hates the hands that shed innocent blood. God calls you to turn from your love of death to come to his son where there is forgiveness and peace.
02:16:09: This stuff, this coming once a year during a big event to call out to Planned Parenthood doesn't shut
02:16:17: Planned Parenthood down. It's consistency of action. It's a consistent message that's the gospel.
02:16:23: That's it. That's what's going to shut it down. It's not hodgepodge movements that happen throughout the year.
02:16:30: It's not that. It's not talking about the health of the mother. It's not talking about the sanitary conditions of Planned Parenthood.
02:16:37: It's calling it murder and calling them to repent of it. And it's standing outside here with the signs that expose what actually takes place.
02:16:47: That's what we need to be doing. And today we did it. We shut this place down. So let's keep going. Is it a public event or a private event?
02:17:03: It's a private event. It's a private event. So the sign says public event. These are the do's and don'ts for our folks in here.
02:17:09: For the public event or the private event? It's a private event for our folks. So it's a public event or a private event? Don't worry about it.
02:17:15: It's a private event. Well, legally, can I go in? What's that?
02:17:23: What are we doing? We're filming something? Yeah. Yeah.
02:17:34: Do you work at Planned Parenthood? No? Yeah, I'm a pastor. Yeah, and we're
02:17:39: Christians. We're going to end abortion in our country. That's what we're doing. Well, what about...
02:17:51: What about the 60 million children that have been murdered? What about their lives? What about the 500 ,000 little women?
02:18:02: About murdering a child? Do you care about the 500 ,000 little women slaughtered every year?
02:18:16: About a million a year. That's...
02:18:24: Well, ma 'am, that's actually... Besides the fact... Ma 'am,
02:18:32: I would call you to repentance for your love of the slaughter of children and your support.
02:18:38: That's what you're fighting for. To murder children. Planned Parenthood kills about a thousand babies a year.
02:18:50: And this shows you that you don't really know what you're talking about, ma 'am, because at the moment of conception, you're a human being at the moment of conception.
02:18:58: You can go ahead. I'll let them go. Go ahead. Please. Yes.
02:19:08: What's that? Okay, go ahead. I'll get out of your way. Well, ma 'am, do you know at the moment of conception you have all the biological components of what makes you a human being?
02:19:28: The fear of being pregnant? The fear of having a child, ma 'am? So what you're saying is that...
02:19:34: Let's say you have a family that has two children. Well, ma 'am, can I respond? Can I respond to what you said?
02:19:43: May I respond? May I respond? Why are you concerned with the support of children when you support the murder of children?
02:19:56: Well, ma 'am... I don't support the murder of children. You do. Do I wish that children were murdered? That every baby conceived is reborn?
02:20:04: I would love for every baby conceived to be born. The fact is, reality is, we live in a society that doesn't make that possible.
02:20:12: Well, ma 'am, everyone is able... How many children are... How many children that other women were forced... Babies who...
02:20:19: Women who couldn't have abortions, how many of those children have you supported throughout your life? Oh, lots.
02:20:24: I'm a pastor. We take care of... We take care of people. We actually provide... You buy all their clothes. You pay for their schooling.
02:20:30: You pay for their health care. So you're... So you're... Can I ask you... Can I ask you... State your argument back to you and you tell me if I've got it right.
02:20:36: You're saying that if it's difficult to provide for a child, you should just be able to kill them. How about when they're six?
02:20:43: How about if you hit tough times, should you be able to kill your eight -year -old child? You're so full of shit. Okay, so that's your response?
02:20:48: It's a false equivalency. It's a false equivalency. It's really not. What you're saying is that financially... This shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
02:20:57: No, I do know what I'm talking about. At the moment of conception... The potential of life is not a person.
02:21:03: The only difference is size. Fuck you. Fuck you is your answer. Fuck you is my answer. Okay, okay. Because you do not...
02:21:08: That just shows the level of rhetoric. You three men... You three men are going to decide on the fate of a woman's life, the ability to control...
02:21:16: No, no, you're deciding on the fate of a woman's life by saying they should be killed in the womb. I'm not saying anyone should be killed in the womb.
02:21:23: I'm saying if a woman... You support Planned Parenthood? I have supported Planned Parenthood since I was a teenager.
02:21:28: Okay, so you support the slaughter of children. Yeah, it helped me with STDs as a teenager. It helped me with birth control as a teenager.
02:21:34: I even went to it because the services were so good when I had actual health care. Well... It's an excellent...
02:21:39: I've never had an abortion. Auschwitz... I've been fortunate to never need to make that choice.
02:21:44: Auschwitz also provided... You have never... Also provided clothing. ...had to decide. Well, ma 'am, your argument...
02:21:51: How many children? Do you want to have a conversation or do you want to yell? How many children have you supported from birth...
02:21:57: Lots. ...to well into adulthood? Well, I have four of my own children. Yeah. I'm not talking about your own children.
02:22:04: I'm talking about children... I can show you... ...who have been born who couldn't be supported. May I show you?
02:22:10: Those mothers... Would you like to see? I don't give a shit. You're a father. Well, you notice that you're asking. I'll show you the pictures of babies saved from death from Planned Parenthood.
02:22:18: First of all, you don't have permission to film me. You're in a public area. You're in a public area. I'm in my car. You're in a public area.
02:22:24: You have no expectation of privacy. You have no expectation of privacy. You engaged us. You have... If you'd like,
02:22:29: I'll show you the pictures of babies saved from Planned Parenthood moments before they were killed. Oh, my God. Would you like to see
02:22:35: Carmelo? Oh, would you like to see a little jar of blood? That's what is extracted during the first...
02:22:42: Ma 'am, you're demonstrating your own ignorance in this area. I am not demonstrating my ignorance. And you're demonstrating that your arguments are about 40 years too old.
02:22:49: Those are arguments made a long time ago. Oh, my God. Most abortion advocates today...
02:22:55: You are pathetic. I'm not an abortion advocate. You are. I am a proponent of choice. Right. So you're the choice to murder children.
02:23:03: Well, you're... You're apparently thinking you have the right to subject women to lives of abject poverty.
02:23:09: That's what a child is. That's what a child is. That's what a child is is entrance into abject poverty. What you need to know about Jesus Christ is that he saves sinners and you need to repent of your sin and come to him for life.
02:23:20: I am more Christian and human Ma 'am, you are not a Christian. You are not a Christian. Ma 'am, you're deceiving yourself.
02:23:27: You are simple -minded. You're deceiving yourself. If you think that you're a Christian, you don't know
02:23:32: God. If you think you're grand. Ma 'am, you don't know God. Grand clan. You don't know God. I don't need to know your
02:23:38: God. No, you don't know Jesus. Because your God is separate from reality. You said you're a Christian. Your God. I didn't say
02:23:43: I'm a Christian. You said, I'm more Christian than you. I'm compassionate and generous. That's how it makes you Christian.
02:23:48: It's repentance and faith and submitting to Christ and his lordship. No, you know what? I'm more interested in kindness and love and generosity and compassion.
02:23:54: Not for these children you're not. You know what? They don't know. You're supporting an organization. If they're aborted, they don't know.
02:24:00: So, can I kill a person who's in a coma because they don't know it? I'm not talking about a person who has been born.
02:24:07: Well, then you don't know what you're talking about, ma 'am. I'm talking about a cluster of cells. Because at the moment of conception So, do you kill flies?
02:24:14: A fly is not an image of God. A fly is not a human being. Everything that's living is an image of God. This shows the bankruptcy of your worldview.
02:24:21: No, it shows the bankruptcy of your worldview. The scriptures say that God created human beings in his image.
02:24:26: Okay, goodbye. Okay. Have a nice day, gentlemen. Repent of your sin, ma 'am. You are ignorant. Since two years ago, after beginning end abortion now,
02:24:40: God has raised up about 300 local churches across the United States of America who have saved literally thousands of children from death.
02:24:49: Now, through your work together with us, there are Christian churches in southern and northern
02:24:56: Ireland, in Canada, across the United States of America, in Australia and New Zealand who are working to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.
02:25:05: Not in the way that the pro -life movement typically does, but to do it as Christians standing on the biblical worldview and the message of Jesus.
02:25:13: We told you two years ago that we wanted to partner together with you to end abortion now.
02:25:19: We gave a strategy to work towards that end. The first plank was, one, bringing the local churches with the message of the gospel to bring
02:25:28: Mercy Ministries to the abortion mills where the murder is actually taking place. The second thing we wanted to do is we wanted to bring the message of Christ into conflict with the culture of death and abortion.
02:25:39: We wanted to do that by engaging the issue of abortion from a truly Christian and biblical perspective into the public square.
02:25:48: We wanted to flood the internet with content that showed the gospel coming into conflict with abortion.
02:25:54: We wanted to show you the lives that have been saved and we have done that. God has allowed that message to go out and be seen by millions upon millions upon millions of people.
02:26:04: We also wanted to begin to engage the issue of abortion at the legislature as Christians.
02:26:10: We wanted the prophetic ministry of the local church to actually begin to engage our civil magistrates.
02:26:16: We wanted a call to repentance. We wanted to demand immediate justice. We wanted mercy to fall on these children.
02:26:22: What God has done through this ministry is absolutely humbling and undeniably
02:26:28: His. In 2019, we have a very special plan that we wanted you to join together with us in.
02:26:37: We want to continue that work of bringing the gospel to the abortion mills, flooding the internet with the message of Christ in conflict with the abortion issue, and to bring the prophetic ministry of the church to our legislature.
02:26:50: However, we want to do it in a unique way. This year, we want to actually train and equip you, the members of local churches, globally, to actually create your own ministry like ours in terms of actually engaging this issue in the public square with your own media ministry.
02:27:07: We know that it cannot simply be Apologia Church flooding the public square with the message of Jesus in conflict with abortion.
02:27:14: It must be churches globally. However, there's a new path we want to take as well. We want to bring the message of Christ to our civil magistrates in a very, very serious,
02:27:25: Christian, and compelling way. We believe that it's actually the responsibility of Christian churches to speak with the
02:27:31: Word of God to the civil magistrates that God has raised up. And what we want to do is actually begin the next phase of End Abortion Now.
02:27:38: We want to bring the Christian message now against the legislature. We want to speak to them demanding justice for these children and mercy upon these children.
02:27:47: We want to speak to them as the local church. And finally, our producer and director,
02:27:52: Marcus Pittman, is creating Babies Are Murdered Here Too. Babies Are Still Murdered Here.
02:27:58: And the focus of that documentary is to actually raise up the local churches across the world to actually bring the message of Christ and the biblical worldview into conflict with abortion at their local legislature.
02:28:12: In 2019, with all that we are doing to save lives, to bring the ministries to the abortion mills, to flood the internet, and to speak to the legislature and create
02:28:21: Babies Are Murdered Here Too, we have a fraction of the budget of the pro -life ministries worldwide. Our goal for 2019 is $400 ,000.
02:28:29: With that $400 ,000, you're going to partner with us to not only save thousands of lives, but you're going to help us to raise up churches with no cost to them at all.
02:28:38: You're going to help us to create a film that will change the heart of the Christian culture, and you're going to help us to once and for all end abortion now.
02:28:46: Will you partner with us once again to do this amazing work for the glory of God? Go to endabortionnow .com
02:28:53: to partner with us to help us to make our goal for 2019. We will be so grateful to you, and we are trusting in God to once and for all end the scourge upon our world.
02:29:10: Our last speaker tonight is Rusty Thomas, National Director of Operation Rescue, Operation Save America.
02:29:17: Reverend Thomas has a two -fold strategy to continue the ministry of Operation Rescue and Operation Save America, and they are the
02:29:24: States of Refuge campaign and the Operation Let My People Go campaign. Reverend Rusty Thomas.
02:29:42: I come with a prop, my cowboy hat, because Pastor Jeff invited me here tonight to summarize this meeting, but my duty is to put on my cowboy hat and I'm to stare at you for five minutes without saying a word, and then when
02:30:06: I speak again, go and sin no more.
02:30:15: But since we don't have that much time, I'll take off my hat and get into the message. Amen? Here you go, bud.
02:30:27: Has this been illuminating this evening? I sure hope so.
02:30:32: How many of you have seen the movie
02:30:41: Woodlawn? How many have seen that movie, Woodlawn? Did you enjoy it?
02:30:48: Yeah, I did too. I enjoyed it. I saw it three times, and it was the third time
02:30:54: I got the revelation because what was happening in the movie of Woodlawn was
02:31:01: God was moving in the affairs of men when it came to racial hatred and violence, and the love of God invaded that kind of violent racial atmosphere, and he started touching hearts and changing minds.
02:31:22: It's a really powerful film. Now, what was interesting about the film that I picked up the third time,
02:31:27: I didn't pick it up the first two times, but the last time, they kept asking, why is this happening?
02:31:33: Why are you doing what you are doing?
02:31:39: What accounts for this? And they always gave a time frame reference.
02:31:48: It's time. It's just time.
02:31:56: And I believe at this moment in God's providential history, it's time.
02:32:06: It's time to have this conversation. It's time that we have this dialogue.
02:32:12: It is time that there is a paradigm shift that ends child sacrifice and the shedding of innocent blood.
02:32:23: It's time for a change. Amen? America has been staggering under the weight of blood guiltiness for 43 years.
02:32:36: And indeed, God makes everything beautiful in his time.
02:32:44: Now, before I continue, I would be remiss not to give honor where honor is due.
02:32:54: I want to thank Russell Hunter, Toby Harmon, and the
02:33:01: AHA brethren for their stellar work in Oklahoma. They were the ones that introduced
02:33:08: SB 1118 to the Oklahoma Senate. And because of that work, we are here tonight.
02:33:20: And the Bible tells us some sows, some water, but it's
02:33:26: God who gives the increase. And that should be our prayer tonight, brothers and sisters, that we are praying for the advancement of the kingdom of God to set us free from this culture of death that's literally savaging our nation.
02:33:46: Now, while we were in Oklahoma, we had what I consider a divine appointment.
02:33:53: You may have saw some videos. How many saw the interview with Pastor Jeff and Tony Longier from the vice president of the
02:34:03: National Right to Life? We need to put this in perspective because while we were in Oklahoma lobbying for this bill to treat abortion for what it truly is, murder, and to be criminalized accordingly,
02:34:24: Tony Longier had a letter, and he was there to convince the senators not to vote for this bill.
02:34:35: And so we met him in the hallway, and we had a frank conversation.
02:34:41: And if you haven't seen those videos, I really would encourage you to see those videos because I believe it was a moment in time captured prophetically that reveals why we have endured 43 years of an
02:35:01: American Holocaust. Now, he's a kind man.
02:35:06: He's a nice man. But as you watch this video, you will realize the failed policies of God's people when it's responding to this scourge that is upon our nation.
02:35:28: And right after that, Jeff had the interview with him. And it was an amazing thing because we spent about an hour with him really honestly showing respect, showing kindness, but literally pummeling him with the truth.
02:35:41: And every time we did that, literally, his head would be bowed. He really had no answer to the things that we were saying to them.
02:35:50: And every time we challenged him, he just went back to this failed ideological template.
02:36:02: And Jeff didn't know we had this encounter. And so right after we have this encounter,
02:36:08: Jeff calls him up to have the interview. And what's amazing about that, after this hour -long challenge,
02:36:16: Jeff asks him similar questions. And nothing changes.
02:36:23: Nothing. It's like we never had that encounter at the state capitol.
02:36:31: He just went back to the failed default template of the pro -life industry in the
02:36:38: United States of America. And when you watch these films, this is what is very evident.
02:36:48: And he represents a lot of thinking and belief systems within the pro -life movement.
02:36:55: He prefers a scientific, medicinal approach to eventually ending the slaughter of innocent children made in the image of God instead of a biblical and a consistent
02:37:16: Christian approach to ending the slaughter. It was clear that he preferred the wisdom of men rather than unsheathing the sword of the spirit and standing foursquare upon God's truth.
02:37:34: It was clear that he preferred the pragmatic what works in the real world rather than what is right according to principled leadership.
02:37:51: When you watch these films, it is clear he prefers the sinking sand made man or man -made policies than the solid rock of God's word.
02:38:05: Now, Pastor Jeff has already quoted from Matthew chapter 7. The wise man, the foolish man, what do they have in common?
02:38:16: See, they all hear the words of God. But one man actually applies them in the real world and the other doesn't.
02:38:27: And listen, according to this teaching by Jesus Christ, none of us escapes the challenges of living in this world.
02:38:36: The storms come to all. The rain comes to all. It beats on us all.
02:38:43: But when the smoke clears, one is standing and the other has fallen and great is the fall.
02:38:51: Now, sometimes we practice theological, I call it theological reductionism.
02:38:58: We just kind of make that personal. Like I'm a personal guy and I heard the words of Jesus so what
02:39:05: I'm gonna do is I'm gonna be wise and I'm gonna apply that to my personal life. Well, this teaching by Jesus, this is not just personal.
02:39:16: It's exhaustive. It's comprehensive. And it impacts every area of human life.
02:39:26: Whatever, I don't care if it's my personal life, my family life, government, education, journalism, science, biology, whatever is not built on the foundation of God's word.
02:39:46: It is sinking sand and I don't care how much money you throw at it. I don't care how many government programs you institute, how many police officers you have.
02:39:55: You are doomed for failure. You see in these videos literally the difference of what
02:40:08: Jesus talked about between the old wineskin and the new wineskin.
02:40:17: How many know the old wineskin cannot handle the new wine. See the old wineskin can't handle the paradigm shift.
02:40:29: They can't handle the change that is necessary. And it's very evident in that video there is a changing of the guard.
02:40:42: The old guard, the old wineskin is becoming obsolete and it's passing away.
02:40:49: And a new guard is the truth of his word. But what about the child sacrifice and the shedding of innocent blood if we are going to continue to fight and argue against abortion based on the premises of those who advocate baby murder.
02:41:13: He who defines wins. He who defines wins.
02:41:19: Who's been defining this thing? If our starting point is off can we reach our destination?
02:41:37: There are five premises I want to introduce tonight and this is my prayer.
02:41:47: That from this point on after these five premises are introduced that it changes the standard of what it means to be pro -life.
02:42:03: How many know previously to be pro -life? There's a lot of wiggle room.
02:42:10: A lot of wiggle room. Exceptions here, exceptions there and by the way it's the exceptions like rape, like incest like the life of the mother.
02:42:23: What liberals and progressives do they always take the worst case scenario possible to pull on our heart strings to make what previously was unspeakable mainstream.
02:42:40: And it's through the exceptions the Mack truck of abortion on demand has run this nation to the ground.
02:42:54: He who defines wins. How many has been getting that message tonight?
02:43:01: You ready for the five premises? To my fellow churchmen to legislators get ready.
02:43:12: Here's the paradigm shift. Here is the necessary change to abolish abortion immediately like repent of killing babies and shedding their innocent blood.
02:43:30: Number one, you've heard it here tonight and you know my part is consider me like the second witness of what happened.
02:43:39: How many know out of the mouth of two or three witnesses let it be established? Well I'm going to be the second witness of what has gone on here this evening.
02:43:49: Number one, to be pro -life now. Everybody say now. To be pro -life now you must understand this truth.
02:43:59: Courts cannot make law. That's the first premise that has to be established.
02:44:08: That is a foundation that must be laid. Now courts can issue rulings.
02:44:14: They can issue opinions. But they cannot make law that is reserved for the legislative branch of our government.
02:44:23: Anybody here of we the people did anybody vote for this atrocity?
02:44:29: Anybody here vote to murder babies and shed innocent blood? Anybody here vote for that?
02:44:35: Any of our representatives vote for this? Courts cannot make law.
02:44:45: But Roe versus Wade did establish a covenant with death.
02:44:52: And that covenant needs to be broken in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.
02:44:59: Number two. Ready? Number one, courts cannot make law.
02:45:05: Number two. Because courts cannot make law Roe versus Wade and other decisions like Obergefell where they're trying to redefine marriage legal fiction.
02:45:19: Everybody say legal fiction. It's legal fiction. But you tell a lie often enough how many know for many people it becomes truth.
02:45:31: It's legal fiction. And it's fictional on two major counts.
02:45:39: As previously stated it's not constitutional. The constitution actually says no person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.
02:45:55: My goodness. In our own national covenant the Declaration of Independence what is the most first and most fundamental right that we have as Americans?
02:46:08: Anybody remember that? What's it called? Right to life.
02:46:15: Now need I remind us that we fought a great civil war over violating our national covenant for right to liberty against our black brothers and sisters?
02:46:29: That cost us 630 ,000 men to atone for that crime against humanity.
02:46:36: We have murdered 60 million children made in the image of God and shed their blood while violating our own national covenant.
02:46:45: You tell me what's stored up for our future. Tell me.
02:46:54: Any thinking, biblically minded American who knows our founding documents, who knows the scriptures, who knows the
02:47:01: God of scripture, who doesn't change. You tell me what we have stored up in the
02:47:08: United States of America. We don't escape this, brothers and sisters.
02:47:17: We will be held accountable for every single drop of innocent blood that has been shed in this nation.
02:47:29: That I guarantee by the authority of almighty God and his word.
02:47:34: We're in trouble. Make no mistake about it. We are in deep, deep trouble.
02:47:43: And our main enemy is not Obama. It's not the Democratic Party. It's not the
02:47:48: Communists. It's not Islam. It's not even the abortion industry and the homosexual agenda.
02:47:56: You know what our main problem is with? The God of this book.
02:48:05: And when he becomes your enemy, you got a mighty big enemy, my friend, and all the homeland security in the world can't protect you from him.
02:48:21: Number three, to be pro -life from now on.
02:48:29: You must believe and confess abortion is murder.
02:48:36: Can we say that? Abortion is murder. Now how do we know that?
02:48:43: Because the God of this book said thou shall not murder. It's a direct violation of God's commandment.
02:48:53: Amen? Now here's the deal. The pro -life industry has been very squeamish about associating abortion with murder.
02:49:06: So the pro -life has a lot of victims when it comes to abortion.
02:49:14: The only problem is God only recognizes one victim and that is the person being murdered.
02:49:24: Amen? So we call it what it is.
02:49:30: Amen? And here's the deal. If we cannot correctly define this practice, how do we expect to defeat it?
02:49:44: You know, this is one of the problems politically, right? In our foreign policy. You know, we don't want to call things what they are.
02:49:55: Like, war on terror. Well, that's general. But what terror are we talking about?
02:50:02: See, we don't want to define it. And if you don't define it, how in the world can you defeat it?
02:50:11: He who defines, wins. Now biblically, there is a two -fold purpose for civil government.
02:50:25: Number one, there's two reasons why God created and established civil government.
02:50:33: First of all, he doesn't want to see mankind resort back to the brutality and the violence and evil that preceded the flood.
02:50:46: And so God raised up civil government to restrain evil. And in the
02:50:52: New Testament, we know that he established civil government and called them to be his minister, his servant to do two things.
02:51:02: To punish the evildoer and to protect the good citizens of the land.
02:51:11: Now, here's the catch. When God says punish the evil and protect the good, he actually has the authority by virtue of his commandments to define for his creation what is good and what is evil.
02:51:26: And if we don't get that right, how many know the Bible warns society and the government can come to a place where good becomes evil and evil becomes good, and once that evil is codified into law, you, my friend, are going to be subject to tyranny and oppression.
02:51:48: How many know our chains are already being forged? How many know our government is celebrating, demanding, upholding, protecting things that God calls abominations?
02:52:05: Do you know that? So they must of necessity punish the righteous.
02:52:17: Secondly, God established civil government to protect life and stop the shedding of innocent blood.
02:52:27: You will find that in Genesis 9, 6. When Noah vacated the ark,
02:52:33: God came to him and he said this, If man sheds blood, criminal, by man, civil government, his blood shall be shed.
02:52:45: Why? Because man is made in the image of God, and I am speaking to my church brethren.
02:52:53: Brothers and sisters, this is not the church's first rodeo. It has been the church of Jesus Christ throughout history that has taken on atrocity after atrocity.
02:53:05: We have taken on human sacrifice, we have taken on slavery, we have taken on so many ancient evils, and through the love and the truth of Jesus Christ, we have conquered and set nations free.
02:53:18: Now somehow in the modern day America, we have forgotten who we are and whom we serve and what
02:53:25: Christianity is all about. But that is who we are.
02:53:33: This is what we do. Rally the lesser magistrate to defend the pre -born.
02:53:57: That's our fourth premise. Rally the lesser magistrate to defend the pre -born.
02:54:08: What is the symbol over the lady with the two scales?
02:54:14: What has she got over her eyes? A blindfold. What does that mean? Impartial.
02:54:23: Right? They call it blind justice. Amen? Impartial. Here's the thing, brothers and sisters.
02:54:30: Pastor Jeff brought out a scripture in Exodus that shows that the same
02:54:37: God who wants justice for the born requires justice for the pre -born.
02:54:44: In Exodus, the scripture he talked about is a situation where two men are fighting and as prone to do, sometimes women get involved.
02:54:56: You can talk to police about domestic violence cases.
02:55:01: That woman will jump in there, even when she's been beaten up by her own husband and try to protect her husband from the police officer.
02:55:11: Now, the scripture says if that woman is carrying a child, if no mischief follows, in other words, nothing happens to the woman, nothing happens to the child in the womb, the husband could still plead his case before the judge, and if the judge thinks there's something legitimate and warrants a penalty, he can bring that forth.
02:55:33: But God's word says if mischief does follow and harm comes to that woman and that baby in the womb, it's an eye for an eye.
02:55:45: It's a tooth for a tooth. Now, in legal principle, this is what is known as lex talionis, the law of retaliation.
02:55:59: In other words, in the science of criminology, the punishment should fit the crime.
02:56:09: Nothing more, nothing less. In fact, this is what happens when it becomes less.
02:56:17: In Ecclesiastes, it says this, because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily.
02:56:28: Tell me if this is not what you see in America. Therefore, the hearts of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
02:56:39: Literally, the lex talionis, this is like God's golden rule.
02:56:44: Do unto others as you would do unto them. This is God's golden rule applied in the area of justice.
02:56:55: This is what we want to see happen, brothers and sisters. We want to see our fifth principle take place.
02:57:05: Establish justice by abolishing abortion immediately.
02:57:12: Amen? We had this bill in Oklahoma, this SB 1118.
02:57:19: I would encourage you all to look up this bill, to study it. It's a historic bill.
02:57:27: It's the first bill that treats abortion for what it is, murder, and it calls for its criminalization.
02:57:37: Now, people may think that's radical, that we may, you know, we're somehow losing our minds over this thing.
02:57:45: Brothers and sisters, all we're simply demanding is equal justice under the law.
02:57:53: The same God who wants justice for the born is the same God that wants justice for the reborn.
02:57:59: He doesn't make any distinction there. And we talk about justice for this and justice for that.
02:58:08: Can I just tell you something? This is the reality we're facing.
02:58:16: You know, Abraham Lincoln, which controversial figure, depends on who you're talking to.
02:58:23: He said this when it came to slavery. He says, if we don't grant freedom to others, do we deserve it ourselves?
02:58:38: He said, God did not send anybody into this earth that is stamped with his image to be stomped on.
02:58:53: We've been stomping pretty good. We've been stomping.
02:59:01: Taking precious children made in the image of God and reducing them to the status of garbage.
02:59:09: By the way, children that God calls gifts, blessings, rewards.
02:59:18: How many know we're not in agreement with God on this issue? We are not. So here's how it's going to work, brothers and sisters, and you can mark this down.
02:59:29: If there's no justice for the preborn, is there justice for us?
02:59:38: If there's no life for the preborn, what do we deserve?
02:59:48: See, when I call the church to repent and to bring forth fruits meet for repentance by ending our silence and in action when it comes to this
03:00:00: Holocaust, I tell them over and over again, you are not just fighting for the preborn.
03:00:08: You are fighting for your children. You are fighting for your grandchildren.
03:00:14: You are fighting to secure a future and a hope in a nation that is literally doing things that is begging for God's judgment to stop us.
03:00:28: And we must live our lives in such a way from here on out to give
03:00:34: God a reason to show mercy. So my last exhortation is this.
03:00:41: Church of the living God, repent, end the silence and the action, bring forth fruits, meet for repentance, and abolish human abortion.
03:00:57: End abortion now in Jesus' name. God bless you. God bless you.
03:01:56: God bless you.
03:02:01: God bless you. God bless you.
03:02:32: Well, we've been doing ministry together for over a decade. And been a church plant with Apology at Church for almost 10 years.
03:02:39: We're in our 10th year. Going into our 10th year. And when we started, we never had any intention, number one, to plant a church.
03:02:46: God did that organically. I was the chaplain at a hospital, a drug rehab, and people were coming to Christ through there.
03:02:53: So God led us to go and plant Apology at Church, which we heavily resisted.
03:02:59: And then finally God made us. And that's where all this came from. So we never had this grand plan of we're going to start ministries in the area of abortion, we're going to start ministries in the area of addiction, we're going to start all these things.
03:03:15: We were surprised, as surprised as everybody else, that God has done this. It's all been organic. It's all been led by His Spirit.
03:03:22: But when we started to get into this, there was a couple things that led to us feeling very challenged to actually engage in the issue of abortion as a church.
03:03:33: The first thing was Lisa Metzger. So I thought that I knew Lisa Metzger.
03:03:39: I didn't know her. And to this day, she and I do not know how we got on each other's pages.
03:03:46: She's a wonderful, godly Christian woman. She's not in the habit of friending men she doesn't know.
03:03:52: And I'm not in the habit of friending women I don't know. And somehow we ended up on each other's pages. I thought she was a friend from high school who had the exact same name.
03:04:00: I saw her with all these pictures of babies coming up in my feed of her at the hospital, her with a woman, all these babies.
03:04:06: And I saw she did abortion ministry. So I thought I knew her from high school, so we invited her on Apology Radio. So the first time that you and I were on with Lisa Metzger on the radio was the first time that any of us had ever talked to her.
03:04:19: And so as we have this conversation with her, she told us she had saved 360 babies.
03:04:27: 60, 65 babies. Like a baby a day basically. And what we thought when she said it, because she said she had been doing this ministry for like 20 years or something like that, we thought this was like 360 some odd babies through the duration of her ministry.
03:04:40: And then she said last year. So that was really challenging for us. We were a small church at the time, religious beginning.
03:04:46: Still are. So yeah, that's right. I don't know, some people would think 300 or 350 people is not small.
03:04:51: But yeah, we have plans for lots of damage in the world. So what happened was is that members of Apologia Church heard that story on Apologia Radio.
03:05:05: We heard it. We were very very challenged by it, and we thought we need to do something about this.
03:05:11: So we started up the Red Door Ministry and the Red Door historically was that the door of a church would be painted red, and it was considered a sanctuary and a place of protection where if an enemy followed you into a church, they were not allowed to actually get you in the church.
03:05:28: So it was a safe sanctuary for those who were being pursued, whose lives were being pursued. So we, and there's a cool story about that, but I won't mention it here, because you guys will think we're charismatic, and we're not.
03:05:40: And my wife had a dream about the Red Door. But we're okay if you are. We love you if you are charismatic.
03:05:47: My wife had her dream about the Red Door and she didn't know what it meant, and we looked into it and were like, oh my gosh. And there's a whole big story behind that.
03:05:53: But anyway, so we started the Red Door Ministry, and we didn't know what we were doing. We just were like, we've got to preach the gospel. We've got to save these babies.
03:05:59: So we went out. And the first day we went out to a Planned Parenthood, we saved two babies. And that was an incredible experience, and God really began to really form us around this ministry.
03:06:09: And so what we started to do is you and I and Joy just started talking about what happened. We would do
03:06:14: Apologia Radio. You can hear it early on in our history. Go to ApologiaStudios .com. Listen to those early episodes.
03:06:20: You'll hear us talking about what God did. And as we were coming into this, you'll kind of walk along with us if you go through that history.
03:06:27: And there's like 300 episodes there for you, so you have plenty of time. So what happened was, we just lost our picture.
03:06:34: Marcus, we just lost our picture of a baby. But it's okay. We'll keep going. So what happened was, story time, we continued to do this, and we talked about babies that were being saved, and then other people started asking us, like, could
03:06:47: I do that too? How do we do that? So we started doing it and telling them, and they sort of go on saving children.
03:06:53: But in the midst of all this, Marcus Pittman, we began to have a good connection with Marcus Pittman, and he created a film called
03:07:00: Babies Are Murdered Here. And that film was specifically about the ministry of the local church going out to save lives at the abortion mill, preaching the gospel, and then primarily telling the truth about the abortion industry from a
03:07:13: Christian perspective, calling abortion what it actually is. It's murder. Calling the women who have abortions, the biblical terminology for what that film was very controversial, and it was convicting.
03:07:26: I remember watching Marcus's film. He sent me a pre -release thing of it. I was watching it in my car, and I was just in tears over that film.
03:07:34: So that was sort of the driving force behind it. It's what got us all into this. And then
03:07:40: God had us, two years ago, actually commit to raising up churches to do what we're doing, to train them, equip them.
03:07:49: And now, what did we want to do? How did we want to do this for churches in terms of free and those sorts of things?
03:07:56: What was our strategy in terms of taking away excuses from churches to get involved in this ministry?
03:08:03: Well, I think first, I think when we were most challenged, it was because we saw what
03:08:09: Lisa was doing. We saw Babies Are Murdered here, and we realized I grew up in a
03:08:14: Christian home. I grew up pro -life. I think we just realized this whole pro -life movement and everything isn't doing anything.
03:08:23: And so I think that when we initially were challenged, it was like, we need to do something different. We need to do something that's actually effective, that's actually saving lives.
03:08:31: So that's kind of how we started. And then, yeah, so to get to that point then, we wanted to make sure, like you just said, we wanted to make sure that nobody had an excuse.
03:08:41: Hey guys, Pastor Jeff at Unabortion Now. Hey, before this livestream starts, I need you to help me with something.
03:08:46: You may not realize that there are algorithms that are put into place on these major platforms that specifically work against the
03:08:54: Christian church, the communication of the gospel, and the issue of abortion. So in order to trick that algorithm so that more
03:09:00: Christians can see this livestream, we need you guys to like and to share this video and to even comment so we can get that moving along because when we say that there are algorithms in place to stop this, trust me, it's true.
03:09:13: It works against us and we have to find ways as Christians to work around it. So if you would, help us right now by sharing this and liking the video.
03:09:20: Help us to get this message of the gospel and conflict with abortion into the world. Thank you guys so very much.
03:09:26: Hey, what's up guys? Welcome to this livestream of End Abortion Now's glory stories.
03:09:32: Amazing things that God has done. I am Jeff Durbin, Pastor Jeff Durbin, Pastor of Apologia Church and Head of End Abortion Now and this right here is our
03:09:41: Director of Communications Zachary Conover. He's Deacon at Apologia Church and he is the head of all things really of End Abortion Now, making sure churches get their free training, their free resources, that they have a place of communication with Apologia Church so we can work together and support them and help them and so welcome everybody.
03:10:02: Thank you guys for watching this. What's up guys? Hey, so let's talk. Alright. So we have been focusing in upon End Abortion Now for a long time now and God just blesses tremendously.
03:10:14: We have approximately 300 local churches across the United States who are involved in mercy ministries to the abortion mill.
03:10:22: This is really important for those of you guys who are new to Apologia Church, new to End Abortion Now. You have a hatred for abortion and a passion in your heart to reach people and to save these lives, but you may not know a lot about the distinctives of Apologia Church's mission and ministry.
03:10:36: So let's just start with this. What is a distinctive between the way Apologia Church wants to approach the issue of ending abortion, confronting the culture of death and say the pro -life organizations internationally?
03:10:50: What's a big distinctive? Yeah, I think right off the bat centrally to the mission of End Abortion Now and Apologia Church is treating abortion as a gospel centered issue.
03:11:01: And obviously that sounds cliché. It sounds like a Christian t -shirt. You're supposed to say that as a
03:11:06: Christian. Right, because everything is a gospel centered issue. That's what people say. But it's not always treated that way.
03:11:12: Right. So let's go into that. Right. So practically how do we approach the issue of abortion?
03:11:19: First of all, what is it? What is abortion? What is a human being? These are the kinds of questions that you can only truly legitimately answer with the
03:11:27: Word of God at your feet. What's a human? Well, it's an image -bearer of God. Well, what are we not allowed to do with image -bearers of God?
03:11:34: Well, murder them. Well, who says that? Well, God. Where does He say that? In His Word, in His law.
03:11:39: So what is abortion, if not an issue of sin? And the only way to deal with that is to proclaim the truth of God's Word into the midst of that where it happens.
03:11:49: And that's something that would mark a stark contrast between much of the way the pro -life movement has engaged this issue for the last four decades, and where we want to center the fight.
03:12:00: And so, when we go to an abortion clinic, we're not just walking around saying a prayer.
03:12:06: We're not just being spectators of what's going on in there. We want to actively have a presence, a witness there, where we're proclaiming the truth of the
03:12:16: Word of God, we're telling the truth about what abortion is, and we're offering help, obviously, too.
03:12:22: So the physical help, everything that you could ever ask for, we want to be there and make ourselves available to provide for.
03:12:28: So that's probably the first and foremost. Okay. Big thing. So you're going out to the abortion mills and you're screaming and yelling at women and being hateful.
03:12:35: What's it look like from our perspective in terms of training and equipping them? Yeah, well, I mean, aside from how we approach this issue as Christians, thinking about it biblically, using biblical language, talking about it the way
03:12:47: God talks about it, and then, of course, providing the solution and proclaiming Christ and Him crucified in the
03:12:53: Gospel to these women who are considering the murder of their pre -born children. We want to, of course, provide ways for them to answer objections for people that would come against their position.
03:13:04: Yes. It's obviously centrally important to this mission is to have an answer. Always be prepared to give an answer for the reason of hope that lies within you.
03:13:11: But we also want to provide biblical context for the motivation for why we go.
03:13:18: So, what motivates us to be out there? And that can only stem from love of God and love for neighbor.
03:13:26: Specifically, in this case, love for their pre -born neighbors in the womb that are being slaughtered systematically every day in our nation and many times just down the street from where we live in our neighborhoods and communities.
03:13:36: So, love for God, love for neighbor, and then an examination internally of our own hearts and our own motivations.
03:13:45: Why are we going? Is it to give ourselves a platform? Is it to shout, as people accuse us of?
03:13:53: Is it just to make a scene or cause an unnecessary stir? Is this really necessary to go and do this?
03:13:58: And, of course, the answer is absolutely. Absolutely necessary, but what is the motivation of your heart?
03:14:04: And that's really what the attack of the enemy.
03:14:13: Right? So, the Scripture, the gates of hell church worship.
03:14:26: Right. So, in terms of, as you guys are all watching this right now, on your devices, on your computer screens, and you're wanting to learn more about how to get involved in this mission, just know from our perspective as Apologia Church, this is the mission of Apologia Church, we want to equip local churches.
03:14:45: Of course, in the United States is where we're at to end this great evil, but also internationally,
03:14:52: God has allowed us, by His grace, to actually get this message into the hearts and minds of churches and start raising up churches in southern and northern
03:14:59: Ireland, in Canada, in Australia, New Zealand. We really just recently got back from there.
03:15:05: We were able to communicate this message to Anglicans, Reformed Anglicans, Presbyterians, Baptists, non -denominational denomination.
03:15:13: All that and it's an amazing thing because this is really such a great example of the unity of the church in the midst of diversity.
03:15:22: We have unity around the essentials, and one of those essentials is the image of God. One of those essentials is the law of God, in terms of you should not murder.
03:15:30: And so, what we are doing is we're trying to equip churches globally to make this a Christian witness mission, to not allow this to be something where we pretend neutrality, like the pro -life movement does, that's without question.
03:15:46: We want to engage this in a way where we actually engage it consistently as Christians, standing on the law of God, the word of God, and as Christians going into even our legislature and proclaiming the truth of the gospel, the demands of Jesus Christ, and obedience towards him.
03:16:02: What's it look like when a person wants to get involved? As we're asking you all to participate with us right now in this mission to raise our funds for 2019, just know we've raised up these 300 some odd churches.
03:16:14: We are equipping them. Everything has been completely for free for them. We are saving lives.
03:16:20: Literally thousands of lives have been saved. As we're calling on you to get involved with this, not only with the praying and with giving towards this goal, we're asking you not just to do that, but to also have your local church be a part of this.
03:16:33: What's it look like for someone to get connected to end abortion now? How do we equip them? What's that look like from our perspective?
03:16:40: When I receive the notification on our website that there's a church now wanting to partner, receive the materials, receive the information,
03:16:48: I reach out and talk to the pastor of the congregation. We always reach out, confirm the desire of their people wanting to be involved in this ministry.
03:16:58: Can we just talk about how important that is for a moment? You mentioned the distinctives of end abortion now.
03:17:04: The gospel is obviously priority number one, but number two closely behind it is the importance of the local church.
03:17:11: You mentioned the universal church, the church global that's being brought into this fight, but we need to make the distinction also of the importance of this being carried out under the accountability, support, encouragement of the local church context, meaning there has to be pastors, there has to be a statement of faith, there has to be a standard
03:17:32: Christian doctrine that's adhered to in terms of the realm of orthodoxy. There has to be things that are agreed upon, there should be support from pastors and elders, there should be an accountability structure that a
03:17:43: Christian is involved in on a regular ongoing basis in which they're doing life within the body, they're accountable, they're in support, they're having fellowship with other believers and so that is absolutely essential, is understanding that God uses the organism of his people, the living organism of his people, the bride of Christ, the church, and that is what he blesses, is that effort that goes from the local
03:18:10: Christian church to be that's a distinctive. We really want to ensure that that's the case, that you're part of a local church because that's how this has to be done.
03:18:20: Abortion has to end with local churches, one local church at a time being brought into this fight.
03:18:26: So what does it look like in terms of reaching out to the pastors, establishing hopefully a little bit of a relationship because we also want to be a center of support for you all too.
03:18:38: I think that's so important is that we want to know that you guys can contact us. If you have questions that go just beyond watching videos,
03:18:45: I want you to be able to talk to me. I want you to be able to talk to us and ask those questions and get that insight that God has been gracious enough to give us just by being out on the sidewalk for the past few years.
03:18:56: So that way you understand what you're getting into, you understand what's involved, you understand sacrifice, you understand what to say, what not to say, where to stand, where not to stand.
03:19:05: You get those details and you have that constant support structure from us hopefully not just in giving you materials, not just in giving you training but to be partners with you in this ministry.
03:19:18: So you mentioned training and materials so as you guys are praying right now, being prayerful and you're considering giving to the mission of Apologia Church to raise up churches and to end abortion, not incrementally but with the message of the gospel consistently and to end it now.
03:19:33: We want you to hear what does that look like as you get resources and training?
03:19:39: How does Apologia Church through our partnership with everybody who's giving towards this, how do we work to train churches and to equip them?
03:19:48: When you mentioned materials, what's that look like? Yeah, so after we speak with pastors, confirm the involvement of their people or a lot of times, praise
03:19:57: God, it's the pastor that's signing up this church. So that comes in, we speak, we touch base, we talk about what they're going to get and then what
03:20:03: I do is basically put together a kit that has gospel tracks, there's a life in the womb track that talks about developing life in utero with a gospel presentation at the end.
03:20:14: There's a babies are murdered here track that is just a short, simple way for you to engage and bring the gospel into the context of abortion and then the signs.
03:20:22: The importance of having the signs and doing this ministry, you're communicating a message in a second to someone driving by on the street or walking by.
03:20:33: How many conversations, how many God -ordained interactions have been brought about that God has used just by holding a babies are murdered here sign.
03:20:42: I've lost count. If there's a sign or the picture of the baby in the womb or the graphic image that we issue, those signs are sent out to you, packaged up so that way you have them as part of your kit in which you can now go and do this ministry at your local abortion clinic.
03:20:59: Alongside of that, you also get a login from me and an email in which you can set up your access into the portal where you have access to the training modules and the videos.
03:21:08: Those are meant to be gone through in the context of the local church. Not just by you, the
03:21:14: Lone Ranger, but amongst a group or a couple of other Christians that you're planning on having as a team to go out to these places so that you can discuss these things.
03:21:23: You can talk about things before they come up. You can answer questions. You can think through this and get your mind going on what it's going to look like out there and coming up with that plan to how you can most be effective in your local context.
03:21:36: Again, our live stream right now for End Abortion Now 2019, we are truly humbled by what
03:21:44: God has done the last couple of years through the ministry of this church and all the churches who were involved.
03:21:50: God has saved thousands of children from death. We have churches now engaging this issue in their culture with the gospel.
03:21:56: We're working on trusting in God's grace and power to change hearts and minds in our world about this issue.
03:22:02: We cannot expect people in our culture, including the legislature, to actually end abortion on a consistent basis unless their hearts have been changed.
03:22:12: Unless we change the way the culture thinks about abortion, we can't expect any change to actually occur.
03:22:17: So one of the things that we are asking for you guys to do is to give towards the mission for 2019 so we can of course raise up more churches in this way.
03:22:24: It can't just be Apologia Church. It can't just be the 300 some odd churches that are now involved. It needs to be the church globally.
03:22:31: So we are inviting you to join together with us. Put your hand in our hand and come with us as we engage this with the gospel.
03:22:38: But one of the things that we have announced about 2019, of course, we have Babies are Murdered here too.
03:22:44: The film that our producer, Marcus Pittman, is working on to actually now engage this issue at the next level.
03:22:50: Not just the Mercy Ministry at the abortion mill, but the ministry of the church in terms of its prophetic ministry speaking to our legislature, confronting them, demanding allegiance and obedience to Jesus and God's law word.
03:23:03: So we have that working. We also have another part to this that we're adding in 2019. And that is that of course we as Apologia Church want to continue to flood the internet with the millions and millions of news that have occurred since you guys have partnered with us.
03:23:19: We want to change the heart and mind of the culture. I can't tell you, I truly have forgotten how many people
03:23:25: I've seen make comments under videos that we've put up for Apologia's mission who have said, one in particular,
03:23:35: I'm reminded of it, a guy who said that his girlfriend was pregnant and they were on their way to the abortion mill and then he caught one of our videos and now he gave me his daughter's name and told her what her name was.
03:23:47: She's alive now because of these videos that are going up. But here's one of the things that we know for sure because we know who we are and we're not much and we're not very special.
03:23:58: It's all about God and it's about his church and we can't do this as Apologia Church trying to be the one flooding the internet with this media.
03:24:05: We need these ministries who are now together with us under this banner, this gospel banner over this issue.
03:24:13: We need you to also join together with us in flooding the public square, the internet itself and beyond with gospel -soaked messages confronting the issue of abortion so we can change the heart and mind of our culture to end abortion now, immediately.
03:24:28: That's what we're aiming for. The way to do that is you have to learn how to do all this stuff. I'm not saying you've got to build a set, you've got to have all these fancy gadgets and all this stuff and you've got to have a
03:24:38: Marcus and you've got to have cameras that are super expensive. That's not what we're saying. We actually want to equip you and train you to create your own media ministry to engage this issue and the culture in the public square, i .e.
03:24:51: the internet and to do it with us. We want to equip you and raise you up to do that. Part of the strategy for 2019 is to actually give training and resources to churches so that you can create your own media ministry to engage the issue of abortion in the public square.
03:25:05: That's why we need you guys to partner with us. This stuff is hard to do. It's time -consuming. It takes manpower.
03:25:11: It takes time to create this stuff. It takes work to get this stuff in motion, to help churches, to equip them.
03:25:18: We need you to partner with us so we can help to equip these churches to do this kind of ministry themselves because we know it needs to be a work of the
03:25:24: Bride of Christ together, not just Apologia Church. For sure. ...to
03:25:29: share. When you're spending time at an abortion mill and you're ministering out there, the power of turning your camera on...because,
03:25:38: I mean, we said it before, it's not about all these churches. Just by seeing us try to be faithful, fail forward, and engage this issue in a faithful way, the best we know how, practically speaking.
03:25:51: But just the importance of showing the world. Show the world what happens out there.
03:25:58: It's terrible and it's glorious, but the world needs to see it. You need to use all of the tools that God has given us to bring people through a door, not a window.
03:26:09: Give them the window to see first and then bring them through the door with you. You do that by sharing content.
03:26:16: By sharing pictures of children that have been saved. By doing all of that... Like you said, you gave the example.
03:26:22: There's people that I've had contact with through my wife that saw our stuff.
03:26:28: I had no clue that they were watching our stuff or that they saw the things that we shared, but they ended up contacting us and they had an appointment with Planned Parenthood that day.
03:26:37: Their child is alive today. We're helping them raise money for medical costs. We're serving them and that was all made possible because we hit share.
03:26:47: All of us understand as Christians the power of the share button. We've been doing it for 2 ,000 years with the gospel itself.
03:26:53: We go into a community, a town, and we click the share button to communicate the message of the gospel. Lots of comments and likes.
03:27:01: People shouting at you. With the public square being the internet, oftentimes today, we have to recognize the power of the share button as we communicate the message of the gospel in this area.
03:27:13: We need to get the word out. This is really important. I want to say this. I think we all understand this. Those on the left, those who embrace the culture of death, who want the culture of death to be propagated, they understand the power of the share button and they click it.
03:27:29: They utilize it. They understand the meaning, the power of it, and they're all in.
03:27:35: Now I think as Christians we have to recognize that there's going to be persecution at times when you share something about a baby who was saved from death outside of an abortion mill.
03:27:43: When you share something like that, that might actually start a conversation between you and a loved one or a friend or something like that where maybe you can minister to them.
03:27:52: This is an opportunity for evangelism on a global scale. Let's do this.
03:27:59: As you guys are watching this right now, first again, I want to thank you so much. Please, one, pray for us. Please pray for us.
03:28:04: Number two, please give. Help us to meet this matching $150 ,000 donation.
03:28:10: Our budget for 2019 is truly, without question, a fraction of pro -life ministries globally.
03:28:19: I just want to say those pro -life ministries with their huge budgets and their ginormous things and buildings and all the stuff that they have working for them,
03:28:30: I truly believe this. They just can't touch the power of the Christian church going out preaching the gospel and saving lives.
03:28:36: Not alone. When we say we want to be Christians engaging this fight, another thing we mean by that is we want to stop outsourcing our pro -life activism to other institutions.
03:28:49: We want to put it back in the hands of the church. We do that by, of course, I mean it's been done by Christians for centuries.
03:28:56: Look at the Reformation. They put the word of God back in the church, back in the individual hands. Now we have it on our phones. The same principle being applied is we need to stop right now.
03:29:07: Turn 180. Stop placing what happens to these children in the hands of just pro -life lobbies, just politicians.
03:29:16: We need to take that back and say this is ours. It's our responsibility to speak life and to speak mercy into this area and we can do it.
03:29:26: One of the tools that God has given us is media. That's right. As you guys are praying and you're giving right now, go to endabortionnow .com
03:29:33: donate, give. Help us to get this $150 ,000 donation matched. It would mean the world to us and it would mean the world to so many children whose lives would be saved.
03:29:44: I don't have any question about what God's going to do with this giving and this ministry in 2019.
03:29:50: Here's what I know is going to happen for sure. Christian churches are going to preach the gospel globally into the area of abortion.
03:29:58: Godly and righteous controversy is going to start because of it. This is going to become a gospel centered issue more and more and more and more.
03:30:07: I know that children's lives are going to be saved. There's going to be children alive next year because of Christians engaging in this way.
03:30:15: That's what I know is going to happen. Please help us to make that happen. Endabortionnow .com donate. Now for story time.
03:30:22: There's so many I know that we could pull from. Let's give everybody a blessing. Let's give everybody some encouragement in terms of a story of a life being saved and a church being involved.
03:30:32: What does that look like if you just draw from one? Can I just say first and foremost from my own experience just the other day having the opportunity to see a little girl that was saved locally and she's walking around now.
03:30:46: She has pigtails and she's wearing a jacket and these clothes and she's chasing toys, chasing her little brothers and sisters across this studio.
03:30:56: At that moment she was right here. I was carrying her. I was helping put her in the car so that the mom and dad could get the rest of their kids in the car.
03:31:05: I just remember holding her again the first time I held her after they brought her home from the hospital. Just that moment.
03:31:11: Now seeing her even further along in age and she's growing. She loves certain kinds of food and she loves certain kinds of toys and she's such a little girl.
03:31:23: It's truly astounding. In terms of stories of churches that are involved with us obviously we have churches that are in the dozens upon dozens well into the hundreds in terms of children that they've seen saved.
03:31:38: I mean goodness we could talk about a pastor that we know of in Tennessee. Everyone probably already knows who he is.
03:31:45: The most amazing stories. God ordaining all these circumstances to come together for him to be standing out here at these exact moments.
03:31:52: Then of course he's in the hospital sending out a picture of a child that's been saved. Talking with the parents.
03:31:58: Providing for them. All of the things that the local church is supposed to do. We get to hear about it.
03:32:04: We get to get messages that say hey you know what? Praise God for your ministry. Thank you.
03:32:10: Here's a picture of a child that was saved. I was standing outside of Planned Parenthood or Women's Center and there were people going in and just one conversation.
03:32:20: Just one interaction. Just someone there. Someone preaching the gospel. Someone talking about the help that we can give.
03:32:25: Someone calling people to repentance saying turn away from this place. Come with us. We can help you.
03:32:31: Here's a picture of this baby that's been saved right here. It's because of this ministry and the failing attempt on our part to be faithful.
03:32:43: We fail in so many ways. I do. Every time I step foot outside the clinic I feel like I should have said this or I should have said that or I could have done this better or I could have done that.
03:32:51: But God uses those failures. He's using the failing forward of Christians and local churches all over the country and all throughout the world now to do the same thing that we're doing.
03:33:03: That's right. Praise God. One of the powerful moments for me in this whole thing as God was raising us up to raise other churches up to do this kind of work was a period of time where I had two little girls
03:33:20: Olivia Grace and Cara who were saved from a local Planned Parenthood in Tempe. Their lives were this close to being snuffed out.
03:33:30: A powerful moment for me was once when I was preaching and these girls, these twin girls, twins were saved from death.
03:33:38: They were running in front of the podium in the pulpit as I was preaching. It was just an awe inspiring moment for me.
03:33:47: Here's these kids who are disrupting service like worship service. These twin girls running around the church and everything. I was thinking to myself, they can run around all they want, disrupt as much as they want.
03:33:56: I'm perfectly happy with this. I'm just glad they're here. Here they are. These beautiful little girls who are running around today because of the work of Christians just like you.
03:34:06: Here's what we're asking of you. One is of course, please pray for us. When I ask you that, I mean that. We need your help because when you are engaged in this kind of fight, you become a target for the enemy for sure.
03:34:19: There is so many attacks. There are attacks from unbelievers on a regular basis and there are attacks from those who profess the name of Christ who attack the ministry, try to attack you.
03:34:30: I was talking about this earlier. The devil's tactics haven't changed for 2 ,000 years. There's that constant barrage of attacks and insults and denigrations that we need your prayer about because we need the
03:34:44: Lord to shield us from all that stuff so we can continue on and raise churches up. We need you to give towards this ministry.
03:34:50: Help us to match that goal. We can do it. We have been able to do it all these years. We can do it.
03:34:55: We got a gracious God -ordained gift of $150 ,000 matching donation.
03:35:00: Please help us to make that match. Please give towards that and then beyond that, if you're watching this right now and you're praying and you're giving,
03:35:09: I want to encourage you to consider yourself getting involved with End Abortion Now. Let us send you out your local church materials and get you free resources.
03:35:17: Let's help you to get you on your feet so that one day, maybe you could be holding a little guy just like this.
03:35:24: It'll change your entire life, I assure you. I believe this is a child from Michigan. Yeah. So, if I'm not mistaken.
03:35:31: Yeah. It'll change you. It'll change you forever when you hold one of these babies in your arms. There's no question about that.
03:35:37: So, Zach, thanks man. Yeah. An honor. Blessing. Let's keep it up.
03:35:43: Yes, everyone, please participate right now at endabortionnow .com slash donate. We need you guys to like and to share this video and to even comment so we can get that moving along because when we say that there are algorithms in place to stop this, trust me, it's true.
03:36:20: It works against us and we have to find ways as Christians to work around it. So, if you would, help us right now by sharing this and liking the video.
03:36:27: Help us to get this message of the gospel and conflict with abortion into the world. Thank you guys so very much.
03:36:33: Hi, my name is Marcus Pittman. I'm the director of Babies Are Murdered here and the soon -to -be -released
03:36:38: Babies Are Murdered YouTube, and I'm here with my pastor, Zach Morgan, and we are going to talk about the doctrine of the lesser magistrate and why it's important to speak to your local city council members and state legislators on the issue of abortion.
03:36:57: Zach has been going for the since when? When have you? I think December 12th was my third time.
03:37:03: So, we started in November. Okay, so Zach has been going to the Phoenix City Council for three times and he's gone and he's spoken to the civil magistrates.
03:37:15: Why don't you describe that process, like what you have to do? This is in Phoenix, of course, but just describe that process of getting there and being able to speak and why you do it.
03:37:26: Yeah. So, the city of Phoenix is there are different types of meetings that go on every month.
03:37:32: The city council gets together in the city council chambers and they either have policy meetings or they have formal meetings.
03:37:39: And so they have formal meetings twice a month and so what you can do, and you don't actually have to live in Phoenix, you can go to the formal meetings, you get there way before everybody, you've got to try to do that, and then you fill out a citizen comment card and you're allowed to speak for up to three minutes during that time.
03:37:56: So what they do is they allow five people to speak before the meeting and then once that meeting starts at the conclusion of the meeting then five more can speak.
03:38:05: So, really you can talk about anything under the sun that you want to talk about, you just have to make sure it's not an item agenda.
03:38:11: And it's just an excellent opportunity to just stand up to them face -to -face and declare the
03:38:18: Word of God. Why do you do that? Why do we do it? Yeah. Well, I think... Aren't you a pastor?
03:38:25: You're supposed to stay in the church? Yeah, that's called false pietism. I think that's one of the big reasons why so many people are outside of the political realm, because they actually think it's super spiritual, it's something that you want to do.
03:38:38: You want to stay away from any civil involvement, any political involvement, and you want to just preach the gospel.
03:38:45: Stay within the four walls of your Christian church and that's what it means to be spiritual. But that's just not the biblical account.
03:38:53: That's not what Jesus did. Yeah, because the church and the state are separate institutions, but they speak to each other and help each other out.
03:39:02: Oh, absolutely. So the state is supposed to go to the church for questions on the matter of morality or what is evil, and then the church is supposed to speak to the state and say, this is evil and you need to stop doing it or supporting it or put an end to it.
03:39:19: That's right. That's what we do. So we stand before our civil magistrates and we say, hey, there's a higher law that you are accountable to, that every one of us is going to be accountable to, and that's
03:39:28: God's law. And actually if you think about it, there's no law out there whatsoever that can account for justice outside of God's law.
03:39:37: So we're saying, hey, the only objective standard you have to account for, or the only objective standard you have for justice or right jurisprudence or fairness or equity, whatever you can think of, it has to have its origin in accounting in the law of God.
03:39:55: So we're there to tell you, this is what God's law says. You are accountable to it. You will stand before the
03:40:01: King of Kings, and he's going to judge you in accordance with this law. And so we are telling you to do your duty.
03:40:08: Right. Can you think of any examples in Scripture of biblical figures in the church role or Israel speaking to state magistrates?
03:40:23: Yeah, so all the prophets. All the prophets over and over, the
03:40:28: Bible says, declare the abominations to the people, and that's what the prophets did.
03:40:33: Every single one of them, they would stand before their civil magistrates and expose the law of God and expose sin.
03:40:41: And that's what the Bible says. It says, do not partake in wicked deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. So that's been the role of the church all throughout the ages.
03:40:48: Then you have John the Baptist. He goes to Herod, right? And he says, hey, you can't have your brother's wife.
03:40:55: So he stands before the civil magistrate, the supreme civil magistrate, and he says, hey man, obey the law of God.
03:41:00: This is wrong. And so you have that. Then the apostles would stand before their magistrates.
03:41:06: And then all throughout church history you see that happening. So to say this is not some
03:41:11: Christian thing to do or this is outside of the rubric of what it means to be a follower of Christ or we're not focusing on the priorities, it's just wrong.
03:41:20: Yeah. I'm always reminded of Jonah. He speaks to the people and it trickles up all the way to the king where the king hears what the people want and gives the law back to the
03:41:34: Nineveh. So the Nineveh follows God's law. And they were a Gentile nation. So they weren't even
03:41:40: Israel. They were a Gentile nation which Jonah did not want to speak to.
03:41:48: Once he spoke to them, they repented of their sins. What did Jonah say to that Gentile nation? Obey the law of God.
03:41:54: Repent. Return from your wickedness based on what standard? The law of God. So I think it's important for us to speak.
03:42:02: That's the one thing you don't hear a lot. If you watch Fox News or MSNBC or CNN, they're all talking about politics but there's no discussion as to what
03:42:14: God's law requires or what Scripture requires of this or that. It's just this attempted neutrality from Scripture when they speak on these issues.
03:42:24: We also see that with the pro -life movement. They will tell you very happily. They're very proud of the fact.
03:42:32: Crazy. The major pro -life organizations are very proud of the fact that they don't use
03:42:39: Scripture or they don't use the Bible or the Gospel to engage these and they only do so from a strictly political position.
03:42:46: They're proud of it and I'm like, I wouldn't be bragging about that. There's no power there whatsoever.
03:42:53: There's nothing. One of the things we want to do at An Abortion Now in 2019 is we want to start seeing
03:43:02: Christians rise up all over the country and start demanding of their local civil magistrates to end abortion.
03:43:13: I think you have been a great example of that here just in Phoenix. You just go once every two weeks or whatever and you talk to these people and you tell them to obey
03:43:27: God's law. When you do, they roll their eyes. They roll their eyes. You go in there with fear and trembling.
03:43:33: Yeah. I was speaking and I saw out of the corner of my eye
03:43:41: I think while Jeff was speaking, Jim Waring, the Vice Mayor of Phoenix and he's just like he's just making these faces and I didn't know who he was or anything like that.
03:43:55: Afterwards I had 20 seconds left and I called him out. The way it's filmed is that when you're speaking, it's not on them.
03:44:05: The camera's not on them. They can make whatever faces they want and there's no repercussions but I knew
03:44:12: I was filming him. When I called him out, he made even more faces and shrugged his lips and shoulders and stuff like that.
03:44:19: You were pretty bold. I had to follow you too. You just lay into him like, hey guys, how's it going?
03:44:26: I told him that we will use everything in our power to get you out of that seat. Afterwards, I went and did some
03:44:33: Google searching and found out that he is pro -life. By name, he claims to be pro -life and part of his making faces is probably,
03:44:46: I think, him saying I'm pro -life, this is a waste of my time. The truth is, they haven't done anything substantial in Arizona.
03:44:56: When we stand before the civil magistrates and we say, hey, you need to end abortion now, we're not asking them to pass some sort of crazy legislation or regulation on the abortion clinics.
03:45:11: We want them to end it. What does that do when we regulate? When we create this legislation that is partial?
03:45:22: I was thinking about it today. It's kind of like taking a big group of people and saying, we're going to divide these people in half.
03:45:29: We're going to say it's not okay to kill all the people on the right side of the room, but it's okay to kill all the people on the left side of the room.
03:45:36: That's basic pro -life regulation. It's just not biblical.
03:45:43: It's not based upon the law of God. It's not biblical and also just to be frank, it's not a conservative
03:45:49: Republican position to regulate businesses. Oh, we lost our screen.
03:45:56: That's fine. As a conservative, and I get my view of economics and what the government can and can't do with businesses from scripture, the role of the government is not to regulate industries, it's to punish those who do evil.
03:46:12: When we have pro -life organizations who are claiming to be conservative and Republican or whatever, and they're saying, hey, let's just make sure that this abortion clinic meets the medical expectations of regular hospitals, well, one, just as a conservative,
03:46:32: Christians or the government shouldn't be regulating the hospital industry anyway because we don't want government health care.
03:46:40: When you regulate government health care, you have universal health care and death panels where the government gets to decide whether you live or die anyway.
03:46:48: So they're shooting themselves in their own foot by saying, well, we're okay with regulating these facilities, but then saying, we're against universal health care.
03:46:59: That's right. They're moving outside of their jurisdictional bounds. So at the state level and at the federal level.
03:47:05: That's the problem. We have an unrestrained government at the federal level and at the state level. They're prioritizing, they're focusing on issues that they shouldn't be focusing on.
03:47:16: As you said, they're moving outside of their authority, their bounds of authority when they should be punishing the able -doer and rewarding the good.
03:47:24: They should be primarily focusing on the safety of their city's inhabitants, their country's inhabitants.
03:47:31: It's just been perverted and polluted and totally turned upside down to where we have pre -born citizens in the womb being murdered.
03:47:40: Right. So one of the things I want to do, the first Babies Are Murdered Here that I made was completely, we didn't really know what direction we wanted to take the film, because the movie sort of got started because I made a trailer and then people responded with the trailer by making their own
03:48:00: Babies Are Murdered Here signs. So the movie wasn't even done. So the movie became about these people going out to the abortion clinic for the first time with these signs.
03:48:09: So the second movie that we're working on this year is we want to figure out how can we get that same sort of response of Christians going out to the abortion clinic, but now we want to say, well how can we get
03:48:22: Christians going to their local civil magistrates and local governments? And so that's my hope is that we can, because just imagine if we have 300 churches with an abortion now.
03:48:35: Just imagine if all 300 of those in abortion now churches now started going to the abortion clinic, which like normal like they do, but then would take one day a week and go to their city council and every city, all 300 cities or wherever that these churches are, all 300 of them now have all these cities have to deal with churches coming into their council chambers and telling them what the word of God says.
03:49:03: That's impactful. Yeah, that's the whole goal. And so if you're out there, it's important to donate and to support
03:49:12: In Abortion Now, to fund this movie. This is what we want to do. And then if you're out there and you're thinking
03:49:18: I really want to get involved in speaking to my city council about this and I've never done it, give us, contact us at inabortionnow .com
03:49:29: and we'll have people contact you and I'd like to fly out and film some of you going to your city council for the very first time.
03:49:38: Going out there and just let, I want to see, that's the story I want for Babies and Murder here too. So I want to and I hope that you going out there for the first time and me filming you inspires others to do the same.
03:49:52: And so if you're interested, contact In Abortion Now and let's work something out. We can arrange those details, but I'm excited.
03:50:00: I'm excited to see what happens. Yeah. And just on that, I'm already working with three different guys that are wanting to do that.
03:50:06: I've even called and researched their particular city and how they can be involved. So if you call us,
03:50:12: I want to help you every step of the way. That's the whole purpose of what we're doing. One of the multi, you know, faceted purposes of this whole movement is to get you standing in front of your civil magistrates.
03:50:22: So give us a call and I'd love to talk to you over the phone and do everything I can to motivate you to do that.
03:50:28: If you, as you step out in faith and yeah, we do come in fear and trembling. It's a daunting thing to do, but it's necessary.
03:50:36: All you're going to do is motivate more people, hopefully around the nation and the world, to do the same thing. And so when we stand before the civil magistrates, we wear the black robes.
03:50:44: Right. Why? Well, what happened in the Revolutionary War? What the clergy would do is the clergy would come into their churches wearing the black robes and they would speak on, you know, the law of God and the duty of the
03:50:59: Christian to pursue things like freedom and liberty. So what they did is they wanted to raise support for, or sorry, against the
03:51:09: Brits, right, against their tyranny. So the pastors would preach something called election sermons and motivate the people.
03:51:16: By the way, the British tyranny was nothing compared to the tyranny we have like right now. Oh, of course. Yeah, it fails in significance.
03:51:23: I know. But what they would do is they'd stand before their people and they'd preach fire on the involvement of the church and the whole situation.
03:51:31: And then they would take the black robes off and under the robes many times would be military uniforms. So they'd walk directly outside of the church and I know one guy had 300 men get up and walk right behind him into war.
03:51:43: So the whole symbolism of the black robe was an identifier that this is a man of God doing the will of God and it is to motivate the
03:51:52: Christian church into action. That's our whole goal. Yeah. Have you ever read any of the sermons from those guys?
03:51:57: I've listened to some, actually. Redone. Yeah, they're some of the best sermons.
03:52:03: You can Google it. You Google Revolutionary War sermons and you just go, man, we are so far off in terms of the church's absence on political issues.
03:52:14: They were speaking about that second nature and they're talking about hey look, you guys need to repent right now because if we're going to go out onto that battlefield and start war, we need to make sure that we are right with God or else this war is going to be a judgment on us and not a blessing.
03:52:33: That's exactly right. You just read stuff like that and you go, man, we are weak. We are.
03:52:38: Well, what drives that? Like I said, the false biotism, super spiritual to stay home and do nothing and improper eschatology or erroneous eschatology.
03:52:47: If it's going to get worse, then there's no real point. Well, why be involved? It's almost like you want it to become worse so Jesus will come.
03:52:54: I've heard people say that. I've heard people say on Facebook or YouTube, they go the more we look around and watch the news and see how bad things get, the more excited
03:53:06: I get that Jesus is just around the corner. We're supposed to fight that evil. Yeah, we're fighting with the gospel too.
03:53:12: If you think the world is just going to get worse, why would you employ the gospel in anything? It was just going to get worse and worse.
03:53:18: What are you saying? You're not saying it directly, but the gospel has no power as it goes forth because it's just going to get worse.
03:53:25: So why pick up the sword of the gospel and go forth? That's just a big reason why the church has not been involved.
03:53:31: It's because it's the fruit of that type of erroneous, untheological type of thinking.
03:53:38: So I think that'll do it. I just want to encourage you guys to go to endabortionnow .com and donate to help us of making this movie, to get people involved in their local civil magistrates and reporting to their city council members what the church demands and what
03:53:59: God demands of them. I just want to encourage you guys to donate. I don't know of a single pro -life organization that dollar for dollar has as big of an impact.
03:54:11: We don't run this for much. I think the last two years of End Abortion Now's budget would have run the executive expenses budget of one major pro -life organization.
03:54:27: So that's what the IRS forum said. So when you donate and you help support us, we're getting 300 churches so far out there and each of those churches are their own abortion ministry.
03:54:48: We're not there every day at these churches. So once one has started, that ministry could last 20, 30, 40 years, hopefully less if we end abortion, but there's not us running these organizations.
03:55:05: It's completely done by the authority of the local church. I don't think in the past 60, 50, 60 years that abortion's been in this nation that we've had
03:55:17: Protestant solid churches come together for one fight like that just to end abortions.
03:55:26: I think it's tremendous and it's only going to grow and get bigger with your support. So donate to EndAbortionNow .com
03:55:32: Help us save lives and impact our local government officials and thank you guys for watching.
03:55:38: Love ya. Not in the way that the pro -life movement typically does, but to do it as Christians standing on the biblical worldview and the message of Jesus.
03:56:20: We told you two years ago that we wanted to partner together with you to end abortion now.
03:56:26: We gave a strategy to work towards that end. The first plank was one, bringing the local churches with the message of the gospel to bring
03:56:34: Mercy Ministries to the abortion mills where the murder is actually taking place. The second thing we wanted to do is we wanted to bring the message of Christ into conflict with the culture of death and abortion.
03:56:46: We wanted to do that by engaging the issue of abortion from a truly Christian and biblical perspective into the public square.
03:56:55: We wanted to flood the internet with content that showed the gospel coming into conflict with abortion.
03:57:01: We wanted to show the lives that have been saved and we have done that. God has allowed that message to go out and be seen by millions upon millions upon millions of people.
03:57:11: We also wanted to begin to engage the issue of abortion at the legislature as Christians.
03:57:17: We wanted the prophetic ministry of the local church to actually begin to engage our civil magistrates.
03:57:23: We wanted a call to repentance. We wanted to demand immediate justice. We wanted mercy to fall on these children.
03:57:29: What God has done through this ministry is absolutely humbling and undeniably
03:57:35: His. In 2019, we have a very special plan that we wanted you to join together with us in.
03:57:43: We want to continue that work of bringing the gospel to the abortion mills, flooding the internet with the message of Christ in conflict with the abortion issue and to bring the prophetic ministry of the church to our legislature.
03:57:56: However, we want to do it in a unique way. This year, we want to actually train and equip you, the members of local churches globally, to actually create your own ministry like ours in terms of actually engaging this issue in the public square with your own media ministry.
03:58:14: We know that it cannot simply be Apologia Church flooding the public square with the message of Jesus in conflict with abortion.
03:58:21: It must be churches globally. However, there's a new path we want to take as well. We want to bring the message of Christ to our civil magistrates in a very, very serious
03:58:31: Christian and compelling way. We believe that it's actually the responsibility of Christian churches to speak with the word of God to the civil magistrates that God has raised up.
03:58:41: And what we want to do is actually begin the next phase of End Abortion Now. We want to bring the Christian message now against the legislature.
03:58:49: We want to speak to them demanding justice for these children and mercy upon these children. We want to speak to them as the local church.
03:58:57: And finally, our producer and director, Marcus Pittman, is creating Babies Are Murdered Here Too.
03:59:03: Babies Are Still Murdered Here. And the focus of that documentary is to actually raise up the local churches across the world to actually bring the message of Christ and the biblical worldview into conflict with abortion at their local legislature.
03:59:18: In 2019, with all that we are doing to save lives, to bring the ministries to the abortion mills, to flood the internet and to speak to the legislature and create
03:59:27: Babies Are Murdered Here Too, we have a fraction of the budget of the pro -life ministries worldwide. Our goal for 2019 is $400 ,000.
03:59:36: With that $400 ,000, you're going to partner with us to not only save thousands of lives, but you're going to help us to raise up churches with no cost to them at all.
03:59:45: You're going to help us to create a film that will change the heart of the Christian culture. And you're going to help us to, once and for all, end abortion now.
03:59:53: Will you partner with us, once again, to do this amazing work for the glory of God? Go to endabortionnow .com
04:00:00: to partner with us, to help us to make our goal for 2019. We will be so grateful to you, and we are trusting in God to, once and for all, end the scourge upon our world.
04:00:22: Okay. Well, guys, we wanted to have you come here. Number one, just to celebrate this baby girl here.
04:00:30: I know that she's 16 months now, which time flies. And I remember when
04:00:35: I was able to hold her in your home, and we were able to come see her at the hospital when she was born, and wanted to have you guys come here and tell her story, basically.
04:00:46: And, um, the purpose and the reason why we wanted to have you guys come here is to celebrate her life and also to encourage other families who were in your guys' position where you were that day at Planned Parenthood when we were outside calling out to you guys, and we want to encourage other moms and dads who are in this position, and also other
04:01:09: Christians, other people that go to these kinds of places, and they call out, they plead for the lives of children, they offer help, practical help, they preach the gospel.
04:01:22: We want to hopefully give something that will inspire other people to start doing this, other churches to start rising up and doing the very thing, because this is the proof right here.
04:01:33: This is what it's all about. This is what's worth laying down somebody's whole life for, is this baby girl that you're holding.
04:01:40: She is absolutely worth the sacrifice and everything that comes with it. So, if you could, whoever wants to go first, just bring us into your nominated,
04:01:52: Derek. Whoever wants to go first, just bring us into her story, you know, from the beginning through your perspective and in your own words.
04:02:02: Wow, alright. So, we had just had this little one for not too long, and we were struggling because I wasn't making a whole lot of money back then.
04:02:18: Then we had our son Archer as well who was still in diapers, still young, and this one is a baby, and then she found out she was pregnant, and we both kind of freaked out.
04:02:32: It's like, we're going to have five kids and no money.
04:02:38: And I think at the time we had just gotten a car repo'd in Alaska, and my dad sent us $2 ,500, and we kind of made the decision that that $2 ,500 was going to get us back to Arizona instead of trying to winter in Alaska.
04:02:56: And then that's when we come into she's born, a couple months after she's born, she's pregnant with her, and at this point our life had already fallen apart.
04:03:12: I was making I think $9 an hour at the time, we were living with her parents, trying to get out on our own, and that's when we met you guys.
04:03:25: Yeah, and I know there's circumstances surrounding that. I guess what
04:03:30: I want to ask you guys is going to a place like that, Planned Parenthood, I mean obviously we all know what they do there.
04:03:37: It's no secret, and the reason that drives us there is ultimately love for mothers and fathers like you, families like you, who go to these places and contemplate doing what you guys were contemplating doing that day, obviously there was a lot going on in your life, right?
04:03:55: Financial stuff, there was all this shifting ground in terms of work and you're adding another mouth to the table to feed, all this stuff.
04:04:06: We talk to so many people who are in the exact same position and they just don't know what to do.
04:04:13: It just doesn't seem like it's possible at this point to take care of another child.
04:04:21: Right, so you guys find yourself in this position now. How did this transition to you guys contemplating
04:04:31: Atlas and ending up at Planned Parenthood? At what point did you guys consider this and what led to that taking place?
04:04:39: It was me. He didn't want it at all. He didn't want to go there at all.
04:04:45: Yeah, I didn't want to go there at all, but at the same time, I don't know. He was going to do what
04:04:51: I thought I was going to do. I was going to follow her. I didn't really want to, but at the same time
04:04:56: I was still stressing out about how am I going to feed five kids on nine bucks an hour.
04:05:01: Right. That's a chore. Yeah, and throughout this process, through us getting there, the first visit there was very deceptive.
04:05:16: How so? Just the ultrasound they show you. We've been through...
04:05:21: I asked if I could see it and they wouldn't show me it. Okay, and at this point you were how far along? I think
04:05:27: I was five weeks. Five to six weeks. Okay. But we had seen several ultrasounds in six weeks where you go to a doctor's office and they show you a six -week ultrasound that takes up the whole ultrasound.
04:05:40: Right. The one at Planned Parenthood, they zoom out and it's this little dot and they're like, see, there's nothing even there. Okay, so they said that to you.
04:05:47: Yeah. No, they said it to me. They wouldn't let him in the room. Yeah, they wouldn't even let me back there. Okay, so you were completely barred from access.
04:05:53: It was just her ultrasound zoom -out frame in terms of there's nothing there.
04:05:59: Don't worry about it. And then at that point, correct me if I'm wrong, but that was the same day or a different day?
04:06:05: No, that was the first visit and then they did take us both back to talk to a doctor and the doctor said essentially, we'll give you one pill that starts the process, the second pill, you know, gets rid of everything and, you know, since there's nothing in there at all anyway, it's not a big deal.
04:06:24: The Saturday we came to take the first pill is when you guys were out there. Okay. And that's when we walked in.
04:06:33: I personally didn't want to get out of the car. I was like, nope, there's people here. I don't want to do this. Let's just go.
04:06:40: No. Let's just get inside and then it'll all go away. I was like, alright, well, hurry up inside.
04:06:46: They took her ID and then in the process of them taking her
04:06:52: ID and us sitting there, you could hear the megaphone and If you guys hadn't been there, she wouldn't be here.
04:07:02: No, and I think right before we walked out, someone had walked out and started yelling at you guys. And then he was on his way back in and we were on our way out.
04:07:11: Whatever, dude. I think I remember that. Honestly, that day. Once he saw us coming out, that's when he calmed down and stopped yelling at us or something like that.
04:07:22: I don't know. I don't know. Then I started crying. She started crying. Prayers were said. Yeah. It was very emotional.
04:07:31: I know for me and I know for her after we had left, it was a very emotionally jarring experience.
04:07:38: Yeah. Even for weeks after, it was one of those like, we almost did that.
04:07:45: Yeah. Wow. Okay. So, I mean, you guys were in there on the verge of going through with this.
04:07:57: What you described for the stage of pregnancy that Courtney was at is so common in terms of the pill, what happens with that.
04:08:07: You take the first pill and then you take the second pill and that ends the life of your child, essentially.
04:08:13: Atlas wouldn't be here with us right now. But as you guys said, you were there. Can you describe to me,
04:08:21: I mean, as you were hearing this, and you're exactly right by the way, I remember a man coming out and screaming at us, which is not uncommon out there in the nature of this work, but as you were hearing the megaphone, the calling out,
04:08:35: I don't know if it was intelligible, if you could remember what's being said, but during that time, what was it that led you to say, okay, at this moment, we're leaving?
04:08:48: Can you just describe what was going through your mind, what was going through your heart at that point? I didn't even tell him that.
04:08:56: I don't want to sound vulgar, but she said, basically, F this and let's go, and she walked out, and I was like, alright, we're doing this.
04:09:04: And we walked out, and then I remember talking to you guys and just like, I couldn't really see anymore,
04:09:10: I was bawling my eyes out, and there was a ton of hands on me, and I just remember people honking as they went past and yelling at you guys, and I was like, just shut up.
04:09:21: I'm tired of you guys already. And I couldn't imagine being you guys standing out there and dealing with that the whole time.
04:09:30: Like, we were out there for maybe ten minutes of prayer, and just the one guy yelling at you guys, and we walked out into that, and then all the people, just shocking.
04:09:42: And I don't know, it really sucked being where we were at, just because what we almost went through with, and then
04:09:51: I personally felt really, I don't know how to put it, kind of condescending on myself, that I'd gone that far with it,
04:10:04: I'd let her go that far with it, and that now here we were, talking to you guys, and it was definitely an experience that I wouldn't want to go through again.
04:10:16: Yeah. Well, I mean, I completely believe that God was kind to you guys on that day.
04:10:26: He was merciful to you all, and as you said, which always humbles me, because we know that it's not about any one of us.
04:10:36: We're out there, and we go, and then God moves, and we see miracles like this happen, we see moms and dads inside, and sometimes when they explain it to us, they say,
04:10:48: I don't know, I just knew it was wrong, and I knew I had to leave. Just like how you described, and we get to be out there and just try to cover you guys with love, and obviously we were preaching the message to you that day, that we'll help you, talking about what
04:11:07: God does in terms of saving people who find themselves in this position, not just saving them physically, saving the child, saving your baby girl from what was going to happen to her, but for anyone that is contemplating this, and that turns away from it, changes their mind, literally, and comes to God, that shame and that guilt and that feeling that you're talking about, man, it's that condescension, the way you put it, it's almost, it's that it's that Did you drop that in the hole?
04:11:40: It looks like you did. I mean, just that sense of guilt, really,
04:11:45: I think, and the shame for, this is what we were going to do, we had it in our minds, and we were going through with this, and our baby girl was almost not here doing this, and the message that we always try to bring out there is that shame that you feel, you know, that shame is put on God's Son, Jesus, on the cross, and if we turn from our sin,
04:12:09: He takes our shame, and He's ashamed in public on the cross, what
04:12:14: He did, so that we don't have to be ashamed in secret, because that's what this, that's the nature of what this is, it happens behind closed doors, right, and away from everything, away from public view.
04:12:28: So, I just want to encourage you with that, man, personally, is, if any part of you still is burdened by that, there is hope, and there is forgiveness in Christ, ultimately, and He takes away our shame and our guilt.
04:12:44: In terms of having the opportunity to be there with you guys in the hospital, when she was born, that was an amazing experience, obviously being able to hold her at your house after.
04:12:57: Can you guys describe, I know, Courtney, you were telling my wife that, a little bit about her in terms of, she's probably the only one of your children that actually looks like you, right?
04:13:09: So... Right. So, I know that that's special, but, I mean, tell us a little bit about Alice, what is she like?
04:13:17: I mean, what is she drawn to, in terms of things that really...
04:13:22: Babies. She has a baby doll that she carries around, it's adorable. She wraps it in a little blanket.
04:13:29: That's so cute. I mean, she's already going for the babies over there, too. She likes barbecue.
04:13:36: Barbecue? Yeah, he made ribs, and she loves ribs. She loved it. She went to town on ribs.
04:13:45: She loved it. Man. Well, I mean, we know about Alice, we know her story, we know what brought you guys there, we know about God's grace in bringing you guys out of there, but I guess the one other thing
04:14:02: I'd want to ask you guys is, I mean, what would you say to other families, other mothers and fathers who are in the same position you guys were in, and maybe even say something to other people who are like us, and who just want to sacrifice everything and go here to do this every day, if that's what it takes to save lives.
04:14:24: I mean, what would you say? To the people that are in the position we were in, ask for help.
04:14:32: Because we spent so much time with just each other, not asking anyone else for help. It was just, what are our options?
04:14:38: What can we do about this? When we walked out, he wasn't going to go ask you guys for help, but I told him that we were going to.
04:14:47: I'd like to just hop in the car and drive away. Right, just out here. But I knew we needed help.
04:14:53: Yeah, we definitely needed help. Members from your church, members from the other churches, that Christmas was probably one of the best
04:15:01: Christmases we've had. Praise God. Just all the presence, and all the checking up people did, just kind of, hey, how are you guys doing?
04:15:08: Do you guys need anything? Is she okay? Does she need anything? How are the kids?
04:15:14: Just that. And then, what I would say to people that are out there with the church, thank you.
04:15:24: Don't get disheartened by people yelling at you because, I mean, I got that.
04:15:29: I'm just getting through to people. You are. I always say, this is my greatest argument for what we do.
04:15:39: There's really no speaking against or refuting this right here. This is the ultimate.
04:15:55: I want you guys to hear this. As long as you'll allow us to continue to come alongside you and support you guys, we want to be here for you.
04:16:03: I'd love to personally just develop more of a relationship with you guys and hang out and have dinner or maybe go shooting.
04:16:12: Hopefully we can make that happen. Guys, I want to thank you so much for coming here and just having the courage to tell her story and having the courage to inspire other people to continue doing this.
04:16:25: Moms and dads who are in this position, that there is hope. There's both help and there's hope.
04:16:31: Hope in Christ and then help among the people of God, among His people. Thank you guys so much for coming and talking with us,
04:16:40: Derek, Courtney, and Atlas. You've probably partly answered this question already, but is this right here, this joyful noise that's being raised, is this worth it?
04:16:53: Is this worth it? All of them together, it's crazy, but yeah, it's worth it.
04:16:58: It is, it gets... We have five kids now, I don't know if that's been expressed, but we have five kids now, this one is the fifth, and it's worth it, every day.
04:17:12: It's hard work, it's exhausting, but it's awesome. Amen.
04:17:18: Children are a blessing. Since two years ago, after beginning
04:17:27: End Abortion Now, God has raised up about 300 local churches across the United States of America, who have saved literally thousands of children from death.
04:17:37: Now, through your work together with us, there are Christian churches in Southern and Northern Ireland, in Canada, across the
04:17:46: United States of America, in Australia and New Zealand who are working to bring the Gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.
04:17:52: Not in the way that the pro -life movement typically does, but to do it as Christians, standing on the biblical worldview and the message of Jesus.
04:18:01: We told you two years ago that we wanted to partner together with you to End Abortion Now.
04:18:07: We gave a strategy to work towards that end. The first plank was one, bringing the local churches with the message of the
04:18:15: Gospel to bring Mercy Ministries to the abortion mills where the murder is actually taking place.
04:18:20: The second thing we wanted to do is we wanted to bring the message of Christ into conflict with the culture of death and abortion.
04:18:27: We wanted to do that by engaging the issue of abortion from a truly Christian and biblical perspective into the public square.
04:18:36: We wanted to flood the internet with content that showed the Gospel coming into conflict with abortion.
04:18:42: We wanted to show the lives that have been saved and we have done that. God has allowed that message to go out and be seen by millions upon millions upon millions of people.
04:18:52: We also wanted to begin to engage the issue of abortion at the legislature as Christians.
04:18:58: We wanted the prophetic ministry of the local church to actually begin to engage our civil magistrates.
04:19:04: We wanted a call to repentance. We wanted to demand immediate justice. We wanted mercy to fall on these children.
04:19:10: What God has done through this ministry is absolutely humbling and undeniably
04:19:16: His. In 2019, we have a very special plan that we wanted you to join together with us in.
04:19:25: We want to continue that work of bringing the Gospel to the abortion mills, flooding the internet with the message of Christ in conflict with the abortion issue and to bring the prophetic ministry of the church to our legislature.
04:19:37: However, we want to do it in a unique way. This year, we want to actually train and equip you, the members of local churches globally, to actually create your own ministry like ours in terms of actually engaging this issue in the public square with your own media ministry.
04:19:56: We know that it cannot simply be Apologia Church flooding the public square with the message of Jesus in conflict with abortion.
04:20:02: It must be churches globally. However, there's a new path we want to take as well. We want to bring the message of Christ to our civil magistrates in a very, very serious
04:20:13: Christian and compelling way. We believe that it's actually the responsibility of Christian churches to speak with the
04:20:19: Word of God to the civil magistrates that God has raised up. And what we want to do is actually begin the next phase of end abortion now.
04:20:26: We want to bring the Christian message now against the legislature. We want to speak to them demanding justice for these children and mercy upon these children.
04:20:35: We want to speak to them as the local church. And finally, our producer and director,
04:20:40: Marcus Pittman, is creating Babies Are Murdered Here Too. Babies Are Still Murdered Here.
04:20:46: And the focus of that documentary is to actually raise up the local churches across the world to actually bring the message of Christ and the biblical worldview into conflict with abortion at their local legislature.
04:21:00: In 2019, with all that we are doing to save lives, to bring the ministries to the abortion mills, to flood the internet and to speak to the legislature and create
04:21:09: Babies Are Murdered Here Too, we have a fraction of the budget of the pro -life ministries worldwide. Our goal for 2019 is $400 ,000.
04:21:17: With that $400 ,000, you're going to partner with us to not only save thousands of lives, but you're going to help us to raise up churches with no cost to them at all.
04:21:26: You're going to help us to create a film that will change the heart of the Christian culture. And you're going to help us to, once and for all, end abortion now.
04:21:34: Will you partner with us, once again, to do this amazing work for the glory of God? Go to endabortionnow .com
04:21:41: to partner with us, to help us to make our goal for 2019. We will be so grateful to you, and we are trusting in God to, once and for all, end the scourge upon our world.
04:22:08: Honorable representatives, I want to express my deepest gratitude for your attention today. I also want to testify to my humble submission to your role as God's ordained civil magistrates with the duty to preserve justice and the work to punish evil and uphold justice.
04:22:23: My name is Reverend Jeff Durbin, the lead teaching pastor at Apologia Church. Thank you for your attention today. My purpose in coming before you this day is to be a witness and a voice for the fatherless, pre -born neighbors who are being dismembered, poisoned, and chemically burned in our state, in your city, and under your watch and jurisdiction.
04:22:40: Not only has taking the life of an innocent human being in the womb against God's fundamental command to not murder is against current and unchanged
04:22:47: Arizona law. Arizona Statute 13 -3603. Roe v.
04:22:53: Wade is not a law. The Supreme Court of the United States has not been given the duty or power of legislation according to our union's founding documents.
04:23:02: It is a fundamentally flawed and errant court opinion, decades old without proper scientific, logical, or legal basis.
04:23:10: It was based on the biologically and demonstrably absurd premise that what is in the womb of a mother is potential human life.
04:23:16: We know as a biblical fact of revelation and as a biological and scientific fact that at the very moment of our conception, all of our biological components of you, me, and every human being is present.
04:23:26: The only difference from that point is the difference of degree, size, level of development, environment, and degree of dependence.
04:23:34: Honorable representatives of justice, murder is defined as taking human life in an unjustified manner with malice of forethought.
04:23:42: This is taking place under your watch, under your jurisdiction, and it is your responsibility to uphold justice for our pre -born neighbors and to interpose by putting an immediate end to this massacre of innocence.
04:23:55: This is not merely, please hear this, a partisan issue. This is the premier issue of justice before you all this day and every day until you do your duty to stand between these defenseless human beings and their attackers.
04:24:08: Honorable representatives, you have a duty to not allow people to kill human beings who are small, still developing, are located in the safe sanctuary of their mothers, and who are dependent on others for life.
04:24:20: If we rationalize killing children because they are small, do we also abate the punishment for the father who murders his small two -year -old?
04:24:28: Do we also cease to uphold justice for the nine -year -old who is not fully developed? Do we allow humans to kill other humans simply because of where they happen to be located?
04:24:37: Are we going to cease upholding justice for the elderly and the handicapped simply because they are dependent upon others for their lives?
04:24:44: Before this day is over, dozens of human beings will have their arms torn from their sockets, their legs will be ripped from their bodies, and they'll be disemboweled and have their heads crushed.
04:24:52: Graphic, I know, but true. This will be done under your watch, and you will all be held accountable before God for not acting, and you'll be violating your duty as magistrates by not upholding justice and, please hear this,
04:25:04: Arizona law, which forbids the unjustified killing of a human being with malice of forethought. Thank you for your attention today.
04:25:11: Please go to andabortionnow .com for more. Thank you for allowing me the time to speak today.
04:25:30: My name is Marcus Pittman. I am a filmmaker who resides in Arizona and a member of Apologia Church. Five years ago,
04:25:37: I created a movie titled Babies Are Murdered Here about the happenings outside of abortion clinics. I followed people who saved the lives of children, many of which who did this full -time with no guarantee of income.
04:25:47: While the film was supposed to document what these heroes do for a living every day, it took a turn. I realized that the real story was the mothers who get abortions.
04:25:57: These women are not the pro -choice group what the pro -choice groups have been telling us they are.
04:26:02: They are not victims who are stuck in a tough position. They are, in fact, murderers. Many women danced and celebrated the fact that they could kill their children.
04:26:12: Many women told me on camera and with the joy of a completely unstoppable serial killer how many women how many children they have killed and they danced with glee and by their own words celebrated the fact that, quote, they have murdered their children.
04:26:27: Members of City Council, there are murderers roaming the streets today. We know of the abortion doctors.
04:26:33: We know of the clinic staff. The lobbyists for Planned Parenthood. But these murderers protect their assassins, their clientele by painting women as innocent victims in a tough spot, etc.
04:26:43: When the truth is that these women every woman knows exactly what they are doing.
04:26:49: No woman who sits on the City Council or sits in this room is unaware that pregnancy means to be with a child.
04:27:00: They know. No amount of tough circumstances changes that.
04:27:06: Likewise, the law requires that murder be punished as murder. I can't kill my two -day -old child because I'm in a tough spot nor should
04:27:14: I be allowed to murder my two -month -old child still in the womb. Children, Council, please hear me.
04:27:22: There are murderers roaming the streets with glee. I have the video evidence. I made the film on it.
04:27:27: You have been deceived and now you know the truth and you are without excuse. The Bible commands that civil magistrates are agents of the state to bring justice on those who do evil.
04:27:39: What could be a clearer definition of those who do evil than women who laugh at their ability to murder their children?
04:27:47: What about the escorts who aid them, men and women, who cackle with joy as they bring them in to murder their child, aiding these women in their crimes?
04:27:56: I beg you to put a stop to it. Ignore Roe v. Wade like Colorado ignores federal drug laws or other states ignore immigration laws and set up sanctuary cities.
04:28:06: Bring our state to repentance and punish evil. And while I have 20 seconds left, I know a lot of you guys, especially the
04:28:13: Vice Mayor, I see you when we come here every week and you make faces when we talk about this, but we are serious and we will use all the power of media that we have to remove you guys from your seat if you do not stop abortion in this state now.
04:28:28: Thank you. Well, my name is
04:28:48: Reverend Zach Morgan and I'm an elder at Apologia Church. I come to you again with respect, love, and serious concern.
04:28:55: Just so you're aware, we're going to keep coming to bring this issue to your attention again and again and again simply because innocent people are being executed every single day in our city.
04:29:06: Fighting for the oppressed, our pre -born neighbors, is the right action to take. They have no voice, so we must speak for them.
04:29:13: They can't defend themselves, so we must come to their defense. Regardless of how you may self -define abortion, please listen again very carefully.
04:29:20: Abortion is the premeditated killing of innocent pre -born human beings developing in the wombs of their mothers with malice aforethought.
04:29:28: Abortion is murder, and if you're repelled by that statement and all that's been said already today and you continue to support child murder, you must hear loud and clearly, you are on the wrong side of history.
04:29:40: Isn't it unimaginably mind -boggling that 150 years ago, African Americans were murdered, tortured, butchered, and horrifically oppressed, and I think we would all agree that what they endured was absolutely evil, abominable, and unjust, but why were they treated in such a way?
04:29:56: It's because they were deemed less than human by the majority populace, and I think we would all agree in here that the majority populace was in serious error and wound up on the wrong side of history.
04:30:06: They were wrong about African Americans being less than human, and it caused unimaginable suffering that we can't even conceive of.
04:30:13: Now, we have a very similar situation in which our pre -born neighbors are erroneously defined as less than human, and are being murdered, tortured, butchered, and horribly oppressed, and this is bringing devastating consequences on every single one of us.
04:30:28: Because our nation has unlawfully sanctioned the murder of babies, we are a nation that our God is in the process of judging and dispossessing.
04:30:37: Listen carefully. If we are a nation under blood guilt, we are guilty of shedding innocent blood, and God hates it and is responding in punitive judgment.
04:30:45: God is a gracious and loving Heavenly Father who is altogether righteous and holy. Therefore, he views child murder as abominably wicked and heinous.
04:30:56: Our land is literally polluted by the blood of these murdered innocents, and we are all staggering under the consequences.
04:31:03: Abortion unleashes compounded destruction, not only on the mother, but all involved, and every single one of us.
04:31:10: What's our only course of action? It's one word. It's repentance. You must change your minds about abortion as God's word is presented to you.
04:31:20: Then you must change your ways. You are given the sacred trust of protecting innocent life, and with all the respect and love that I can muster, you are failing to fulfill your primary duty.
04:31:31: Forty innocent human beings are in the process of being executed while I say this today, and if we don't act, forty more will tomorrow and the next day and the next day.
04:31:42: God's word says that the shed blood of innocent humans cries out for justice, and mark my words, they will have their day in court.
04:32:10: Good afternoon, honorable representatives. My name is Zachary Conover, and I'm a Christian who leads a weekly ministry on behalf of unborn children in the state of Arizona, outside of local abortion clinics in my community, where we preach the gospel and offer help to those who are actively considering the murder of their own children.
04:32:27: I submit to you that up to this point, the legislation proposed to protect them has done nothing more than regulate this issue as health care, rather than criminalize it as murder.
04:32:38: In our own homicide code, Arizona law specifies that an unborn child at any stage of development is a human being, and if you kill it, you can be charged with up to first degree murder.
04:32:49: Furthermore, as you heard, Arizona revised statute, 13 -3603, states that anyone who seeks to procure the miscarriage of a woman's unborn child by any means will be subject to prosecution.
04:33:02: I'm calling upon you today, our representatives, to not only obey God's law, but to enforce current
04:33:07: Arizona state law, and establish equal justice for those who are being oppressed, and act to ensure that they receive the same protections as any other citizen of this land in accordance with our nation's constitution.
04:33:21: There is a fiction that we all have believed for far too long, and it has cost us the lives of millions of unborn children.
04:33:29: It's the lie that the Supreme Court has ruled, and all that we can do is obey. However, our state was not meant to be an implementation center for unjust or immoral law, policy, or court opinion.
04:33:42: Our constitution grants legislative power to Congress alone. Roe v. Wade was based on false premises.
04:33:48: It is therefore void, of no force, and it is to be ignored. You have a duty to maintain this state's authorities, rights, and liberties.