November 2, 2018 Show with Dr. Cary G. Kimbrell on “A Christian Perspective on Choosing a Political Party”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Friday on the second day of November 2018. I want to give you all a sad update and more requests for prayer. Some of you who heard the program yesterday will remember that my friend Lou Brancadora, just about four days ago now, had a massive stroke.

He is in a coma. The MRI detected very severe brain damage and the latest update that I have is that his eyes are not even responding to light, so it appears as though the Brancadora family is now just making funeral arrangements and they are going to be apparently disconnecting life support, which is the only thing keeping him alive at this time.

So please pray for the Brancadora family. Lou was such a gregarious, zealous Christian at Reformed Baptist. He was known to be a Bible conference traveler. He loved to be at Reformed Bible conferences and he urged me to go to many of them with him and I am so sad that I turned him down on more occasions than I accepted his invitations, especially the most recent one he invited me to in Ocean City, New Jersey.

But please, as I said, pray for the Brancadora family and give them the peace of mind and joy of heart knowing that Lou is certainly going to be in the presence of his Savior very soon and of course it would warrant a miracle of biblical proportions at this point for the outcome to be anything different than Lou passing on to eternity.

So just give that family most of all the joy of knowing that he is finally going to be very soon at the place where he has longed to be ever since he has been a Christian and that is in paradise with our Lord, God, Savior, and King Christ Jesus.

And I will also continue to give you updates as I have them. But today we have on the program someone who I am thrilled to be interviewing, Dr. Cary G. Kimbrough. He is senior pastor at Bethlehem Baptist Church of Laurel, Mississippi and host of the Deep South Founders Conference.

Today we are going to be addressing a Christian perspective on choosing a political party and we'll also be announcing details about how you can attend the Deep South Founders Conference where, God willing, I will be attending and it's my very first trip not only to this conference but to the state of Mississippi but it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the first time ever to Orange Shrub and Zion Radio Dr. Cary G. Kimbrough.

Thank you for having me, Chris. I appreciate the opportunity. And let me.

Get a clarification. Is it Kimbrough or Kimbrell? We pronounce it, can be pronounced Kimbrough but we get Kimball, Kimbrough, so it's really kind of accenting the Braille. Okay then that's the way I.

Will pronounce it from now on, God willing, unless I just have a worse memory than I thought I did and revert back to the other. Well before I go into our conversation today, which will begin by the way with you giving a summary of your salvation testimony, we always have first-time guests on Orange Shrub and Zion Radio, when they're Christians of course, give a testimony of their salvation and before we do that and before we move on to the main topic, a Christian perspective on choosing a political party, I want you to tell us something about Bethlehem Baptist Church of Laurel, Mississippi and then also something about Deep South Founders Conference.

Bethlehem Baptist Church and the Deep South Founders Conference

Bethlehem Baptist.

Church began and in fact the church is 10 years older than the under the name of church. Dry swamp Baptist Church. I thought that those would be mutually exclusive terms but anyway it's kind of an oxymoron, but it started there and it has been a primitive Baptist Church.

It has been an independent, but now we are affiliated, oh I would say much of the century into. I began to open the Bible and preach the word. I basically started it is God's word. Hear what he says in my first probably four or five years more than anything, the verse out of Daniel 4, that the Lord does whatsoever he wills in the armies of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth and none can stay his hand or say unto him what doest thou.

And so that's what the Bible is and then just open the preached from time here. I want to view so I'm going to begin telling you what God's commandments because I know that first John and talk to them about assurance.

So I wanted to give them an opportunity to assurance and then there and then it began ups and downs people getting upset some people loving it. It reminds me of an old pastor that told me one time when you preach the gospel some people get sad some people get glad you're pleased to bring us along and those spoke to him for doing that.

Amen. Well obviously when the church was originally named Dry Swamp Baptist Church it wasn't operating under the ideology of the seeker sensitive movements.

Probably not.

And it's interesting the theological changes over the years. I know that the primitive baptists and I don't want to broad brush them because they are not exactly a monolith but many of them are known for hyper-Calvinism.

In fact some are even known for hypo-Calvinism or sub-Calvinism when it comes to the providence of God interestingly enough. That's right which is.

Kind of unusual. Right. First time I discovered that I was just frankly shocked by it to be honest.

With you. Right in other words for our folks who are a little confused by what I'm saying they have some of them or if not many of them have a hyper-Calvinistic understanding of soteriology but for instance if a man dies at 34 from cancer due to smoking cigarettes God had nothing to do with that day and hour that that man died.

Right. And in fact they would. Those that believe what I just said in the primitive baptist movement would call those who believe that God is in sovereign control over everything in every act and event in heaven and on earth that will ever come to pass they will call them absoluters as a mark as a as a phrase of derision towards those that they would in the sense be calling hyper-Calvinist.

But then you have the time as an independent and missionary baptist church were that was the congregation still professing the.

Doctrines of grace in any way then or had it become Arminian? I think Arminian though they had a pastor at least one that he did preach but by and large typical Arminian committee-led programmatic. My whole ministry in these kind of hypo-Calvinist notwithstanding that and so that's kind of been my ministry all along in these oh I guess 40 years of ministry.

Now was the.

Congregation. Bethlehem Baptist Church theologically reformed. When already before you became the pastor there or were you used? No no. Okay so the Lord used you to bring the church into. That's right that's right that's right.

Okay well praise God for that. And well now let us as I said already hear a summary of your salvation testimony something about the religion of your youth how you were raised if religion had any place at all and the providential circumstances that the Lord rose up in your life through his sovereign grace that providentially drew you to himself and.

Saved you. Well when I was very young my parents didn't. My father my grandfather. Really. My grandmother was a God of one you know. And embraced the script really kind of leaned toward almost a whole.

There was many days that wagon sippy to the meetings and began to see. Always knew her. But my dad wasn't. My mother. Not so much either though. You know there was a. They didn't they didn't. Emmanuel Baptist Church is no longer there.

But you know it was just to preach and teach. I was in fun. I wasn't extremely in curve. But then there was a lady in the church right to my mother one day and was pretty frank with her and her responsibility.

So my mother began. And if I'm not mistaken I think my mother. But I believe that's what happened. Well I remember I was maybe almost nine. We're teaching. I remember specifically teaching on the baptism of Jesus.

I did what. David. Who's he. I'm not sure we went down together but we were to be. I was just a young man just really overcome with a lot of emotion and couldn't but I was able to show being where I am now and the past all these years.

I would be a little bit just to be honest we're a little bit suspect of a eight nine year old boy in fact. Dennis Gunderson. You may know that Dennis Gunderson.

Wrote an excellent book called your child profession your child's profession of faith.

That relates to that. And of course the thing about mine is he three now and it's last grew in the grace and knowledge that I knew back then. Or how much I'm reading into what I knew back then. And really of all my of all my family uh really the only uh continued serious devote.

And then I was called to preach and and my mother I'll never forget what my mother told me. She said I think I'd rather you be a moonshiner than a preacher. Now why on earth would that be her preference.

Well I don't know. I guess maybe she came from uh. Or maybe she just thought it was more lucrative was really concerned about it you know about she hadn't she knew enough that to know that a pastor's life sometime is not a very uh it's always thing you know.

And I think maybe she was trying to protect me uh from that and and she was so nervous and um never came and heard a sermon because she was just before she ever came and heard me preach. So anyway just to just to make a point when mama called saying I never heard that phrase before you've never heard mama called.

No because I'm a yankee so uh well I'm sorry about that but.

By the way I have to quickly tell you a story. Um uh years ago back in the 90s I had a conversation with a elderly Presbyterian brother from Mississippi and uh he was a pastor a retired pastor and when he found out that I was from New York he said you folks from New York got it easy.

Alls you do alls you got to do is get people saved. We've got to get them lost and then get.

Saved right. So most of my life. Booth the laurel the thing then inoculate so uh that that is a.

Quite a testimony and we did accidentally skip over something that I wanted you to discuss before your testimony. But God knows better than we do on how to organize these things. Uh the deep south founders conference.

Tell us in detail about this conference that I will be attending for the first.

Time. God willing in January. Yeah um three if I'm not. I remember. Uh you know Tom Nettles was gay. Ernie Riesinger. I never. You know. Ernie was there Ernie was. Ernie is the gentleman who founded the.

Church where I am now a member Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle Pennsylvania. Well I mean you.

Know it's a small world isn't it. Yeah so we. Well anyway they started the founders conference. Well then some years later and and they've started there's ministries and and uh founders journals and uh but on regional just regional 10 years 11 years ago.

Now I think we uh began one at the deep south our venue there. I think it was about four years ago. We moved it here to laurel. We are looks like 1689 confession each subsequent founders conference or each year's founder or maybe two of the 1689 confessional speakers in uh.

Then we began to move through. The dearest friend uh.

I've known James since 1995 became a close friend of his by 96 and have organized many debates for him. Uh probably uh 25 or so and many more speaking engagements than that.

Yeah and. And we. Yeah. And we had him uh the first time he came we had him debate. Uh didn't know what hit him. He was uh. And we told him. Now we before he he came we said now look you know James White is the professor James.

I had arranged years ago a radio debate between uh Dr. James R. White.

And a United Methodist seminary professor. And believe it or not the United Methodist seminary professor was the professor of medical ethics and he was pro-abortion and that was the debate. What the debate was.

On the debate probably lasted 20 minutes because the United Methodist keep in mind folks he's a faculty member at a United Methodist seminary. He was furious that James White asked him the simple question do you believe in God.

And the man told James it was none of his business even though the whole debate was on. Is abortion an acceptable practice within Christianity. Uh so obviously God had to be a part of the theme right.

And he and he he he told James White to go to hell and he hung up about 20 minutes into the uh debate. That was a long time ago. I don't think I could find a tape.

Of it these days but if I ever find one I'll let you know. We had him a few years ago he came back we were trying to set a Muslim but get a debate but he did come again. So we've had him again. Education praise God and uh so uh.

And then uh what we do. We bring in someone that would be and underneath that's the night two sermons on Friday morning two sermons on Friday evening and two sermons on Saturday morning. So we have a number of sermons and we give a spot.

And Ed will preach Thursday night Friday morning Friday night and Saturday morning. But underneath uh them and the other slot of preaching uh we have uh what we in our bylaws because we wanted it not to be adding it together but we wanted it to be the attendees comp tendies because the ministry may not be well known but we usually get them underneath.

Uh uh the keynote. Well my uh Jason Goody will be preaching and Jason Gooder that church will be preaching on the believer. And then Louisiana Rusty Reed who will be preaching on evangelical obedience.

In fact.

Rusty Reed is going to be my guest on Iron Trip and Zion Radio Wednesday the 28th of November so if you folks want to mark your calendars down for 4 to 6 p .m. Rusty Reed on Iron Trip and Zion Radio Wednesday November 28th.

I just received word of that while this program was in process today. What you're doing. Well I am so excited about being there especially because of my enormous undying love for Conrad M. Bayway. Uh Conrad has been a friend of mine since 1995 after he preached at the church where I was a member uh at that time Grace Reform Baptist Church of Long Island which is located in Merrick New York and Conrad preached there during his very first trip to the United States and we hit it off and have been remaining in contact ever since.

Uh I was working for WMCA radio at the time and uh Grace Reform Baptist Church aired commercials for Conrad's conference and we took a clip of Conrad preaching his guts out about the atonement that Christ provided on Calvary and our phones would not stop ringing off the hook.

And we had over the three-day period uh that the conference was held 500 visitors that did not include our own members uh in attendance. And that may not that may not sound like anything to folks in these huge churches down south or in megachurches.

But for a Reform Baptist Church on Long Island New.

York. That's that's a big deal. I agree a bit. The nations I think they do something like 30 or 40 preach the people over these uh years. And uh well they invited me to go and I've been preaching for four years in Zambia and Lusaka and then uh did one uh preach and he said and then he told me but the but the punch line must be uh you can't have a good marriage saves you.

So I wanted to be kind of an even evangelistic marriage seminar and when I went to talk congregation to invite a friend.

Over. We appreciate him being able to be here. I never cease to uh announce on this program that I think that he is the most powerful preacher alive on the planet earth today. Amen. And uh.

Well they call him the Spurgeon of Africa. Yes that's right. And when I tell him that he just laughs it's very awful about that and he's always constant. I mean he is just I've never heard him.

Not do well. So yeah I agree. And for our listeners we will be repeating this but the Deep South Founders Conference the next one will be held January 24th through the 26th at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Laurel Mississippi and for more details on that conference you could go to deepsouthfounders .com deepsouthfounders .com.

I hope that many of our listeners especially those who can easily travel to Laurel Mississippi I hope you'll be there and greet me while I am manning an Iron Trump and Zion exhibitors booth there. That's deepsouthfounders .com.

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And once again, if you are interested in attending the Deep South Founders Conference, you can go to deepsouthfounders .com, deepsouthfounders .com. The conference is January 24th through the 26th at the Bethlehem Baptist Church of Laurel, Mississippi, and I hope to see you there.

Today, Dr. Kimbrell and I are discussing a very timely theme, obviously, with elections coming up just in a matter of days. We are discussing a Christian perspective on choosing a political party. Our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com, chrisarnzen at gmail .com if you have a question regarding this.

First of all, Dr. Kimbrell, what was the catalyst in your mind, other than perhaps the timeliness of Election Day fastly approaching? But were there any motivations for you wanting to discuss a Christian perspective on choosing a political party?

Are you aware or familiar with perhaps many professing Christians or even Christians that you suspect are truly born again, that are true Christians, that are really going about this.

Theme in an unbiblical manner? Well, around the time I spoke to you, a man had asked me to bring one particular of his nation engaged to that, and I've had varying opinions, engaged, and as if now, because of the critical nature, and even in the church, the encroachment...

It's interesting that you are a native Southerner, and throughout the majority of American history, since the Democratic Party has been in existence, the South was permeated with Democrats. If you were a Republican, you were certainly a minority for quite a long time.

I think it wasn't until Ronald Reagan, if I'm not mistaken, that that switch, or transformation, or that flip-flop began in the South, where the Republican Party began to gain in its footing there and perhaps even dominate.

Not everywhere, because you do have elected officials in major positions of authority who are Democrat. But tell us about.

That. Well, I was born in Louisiana, and I can tell until I was an adult. Wow. Yeah. In fact, if you were a Republican in Louisiana, they could head there. I'm not even sure today with cell phones that even translates or makes sense.

I'm sure there are millennials who have no idea what you're talking about.

But the thing about it is that, you know, you voted in the presidential election in Louisiana if you were not... In fact, I remember going to earn the corn. You could, because you were ones, if you want, just the way we grew up, you know, and that comes out of, you know...

You are the first Southerner that I've ever heard use the phrase.

Civil war. My friends from the South call it the war of northern aggression.

Well, because that's the term that most people understand. And of course, there was a great resentment, and it actually lasted 150 years, not until against Ronald Reagan. That's when... This is why young people shouldn't have a vote.

My first vote for president of the United States was Jimmy Carter, a devoted Christian. And this was spoke of being a young, devoted born again. Stinkingly, right before 1980, with the equal rights of...

Yeah. You know what? Remember, they extended it. Remember that? Yes. They even violated cops. And I remember everything, but all my political and all my... Why am I a Democrat? Because I don't believe one thing, you know, that they stand for 1980.

Okay. Now, obviously, you and I would have to.

Admit that there is nothing sacred and holy about the Republican Party. There are many people who constantly let us down in the Republican Party when they're elected to office. Sometimes we, as Christians, feel like that we have been utterly, just very plainly used as tools to increase votes for some of our Republican candidates.

In fact, there are even Republicans, as you know, who are pro-abortion. The state of New York had a Republican governor, George Pataki, that was notorious for his pro-abortion positions. It's kind of interesting how people are painting Rudy Giuliani these days, since he is closely allied with President Trump.

They're painting him with a conservative brush, but he was pro-abortion when he ran for and won the election for mayor of New York City. Accomplished some good things there, but he was very emphatically in favor of gay rights and so many things that are affiliated with a Democratic Party platform.

But if you could tell us, what are Christians, in your opinion, and as a pastor, what are we to be looking for in a party that we associate with and where we place our votes? Because there is sometimes a mixed bag of things.

Sometimes there are things that a Democratic candidate perhaps might believe in, that you also agree with him on, that might even be closely more aligned with a Christian principle from the scriptures.

But then again, today in this day and age, it's rare to find a Democrat who does not give lip service to his belief or her belief in the murder of unborn children, if that is the whim of the mother for any reason at all.

Well, to live by from the mouth of God shall not live by bread. The Soviet Union in 1917 tried to become a and in 80 years, by 1987, they couldn't even make bread. The issue of Christianity has always been a bank state.

We've always been all the way back to the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was not against Christianity, because the thing that could be very antagonistic against religion back then.

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