February 1, 2021 Show with Fred Butler on “Royal Deceptions: Exposing the KING JAMES ONLY Conspiracies Against God’s Word”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host at Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Monday on this first day of

February 2021.

And I'm thrilled to get on the program as a guest for the very first time ever,

somebody that I've been seeing every single year at the G3 conference in Atlanta, Georgia,

manning an exhibitors booth for Grace to You Ministries, the media ministry of Dr.

John MacArthur, the world -renowned pastor, author,

Bible teacher via radio and television.

And I'm so glad that I finally have the opportunity for the first time to interview this brother

named Fred Butler.

He is the media ministry, or should I say, the director and

coordinator of Volunteer Ministries for Grace to You, the media

ministry of John MacArthur, as I just mentioned.

And today we are going to address a new book that Fred has written,

Royal Deceptions, Exposing the King James Only Conspiracies Against God's Word.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Fred Butler.

Oh, I'm absolutely thrilled to be here.

I feel like I've hit the big time.

Like I'm on 60 Minutes or something.

Well, that never makes people happy.

Well, actually, if you're a leftist, you are more than comfortable being interviewed on 60 Minutes.

You have no fear of any dirt being dug up if you're a leftist.

But if you're anybody else, that would be true.

Now, if you're anybody else, you got a lot to worry about, usually.

But first of all, tell our listeners who, you know, we do have new Christians who are listeners.

Not all of them necessarily know who John MacArthur is.

I am sure that 99 .99999 % of our listeners do.

But sometimes we have new Christians listening, and we even have non -Christians listening on occasion

who make that evident through the emails that they send in.

Sometimes even Muslims and people who are in aberrant religions and

cults and so forth.

So they might not all be familiar with him.

So tell our listeners about John MacArthur and grace to you briefly.

Okay, so it

in

19 recalling my history.

And he

has been he.

Fair New Testament exposition

of

the eight.

Amen.

He's one of my modern day heroes, that's for sure.

And had him on the program at the honor and privilege of interviewing him once.

Would love to get him back on.

It seems like a nearly impossible task to accomplish these days.

But I also have the honor to have his glowing commendation for

Iron Trip and Zion radio adorning my website.

And that was truly a honor and privilege to receive that from Dr. MacArthur.

And I have interviewed many times.

In fact, the person who has been interviewed on this program as my guest more than anybody

else in the history of Iron Trip and Zion radio going back to 2005.

Phil, is it Phil Johnson?

That's right.

Phil Johnson.

And far less frequently, but I'd love to interview him just as frequently is Daryl Bernard

Harrison, who is a new a new staff member there at grace to you.

He's a great guy.

Yes.

And I just received word from his co -host of his

podcast, Virgil Walker, that he and Daryl Bernard Harrison may

be joining me again as my guest very soon.

So I hope that comes to fruition.

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gty .org.

And before we get into a discussion on the book that I mentioned, Royal Deceptions Exposing the

King James Only Conspiracies Against God's Word.

As you know, Fred, we have a tradition here on Iron Trip and Zion radio.

Whenever we interview at least 99 of the time, unless for some reason there is a

time crunch and we don't have time to do this, that's a rare occasion.

But 99 of the time when we have a first -time guest on this program,

who is a Christian, of course, because there are those rare occasions when I interview non -Christians who have something of value

to say to the body of Christ, something they've written, or perhaps I have a debate on the program and it

involves a non -Christian.

But whenever I have a Christian on, I like them to give a summary of their salvation testimony, which would include the

religious atmosphere, if any, they were raised in.

And the providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in their lives that drew them

to himself and saved them.

So I'd like you to start with your own story.

Was it a mainline liberal?

Was it a real liberal church or some kind?

I

think

it was

a

United

Methodist

Church kind

of lecture in

the lateness

of

that

night.

God was pleased to save me.

Now, how did you get a dream job?

At least it's a dream job for many, many, many Christians, including me.

That listen to this program, who love and

view John MacArthur as one of their modern day heroes.

How did you get a dream job at Grace to You?

I came out

to California

and I

was

actually

provided

for me.

And so they had

someone to

replace

80 elderly people.

How

did

that

come?

They haven't

been coming

right now.

It's great.

It's like having...

Grace to You has restrictions for COVID.

I wish we could be like that.

You can't do that at

Grace to You.

Okay.

So by the way, do you know my very dear friend, close friend,

Dr. Doug McMasters, who is currently the pastor of New Hyde Park Baptist Church on Long

Island, but was the director, I believe, of pastoral outreach, if I'm not mistaken, at Grace

to You.

Yeah, he answered a letter.

There would be letters that would come in,

writing in, looking to get some advice,

needing help answering.

Yes, he is.

And I hope he's listening.

Well, I want to give our listeners our email address right away, if they have questions for Fred Butler on

the King James Only issue, especially the specific areas

addressed in his book, Exposing the King James Only Conspiracies Against God's Word, which is the subtitle of

Royal Deceptions, the title.

And that's kind of funny to bring up that title after having a nice little chat about Doug

McMasters, because his wife's name is Royal, so we mean no disrespect.

Royal Deceptions has nothing to do with Doug's wife.

But our email address, if you have a question, is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

Please, as always, give us your first name, at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence,

if you live outside the USA.

Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

Let's say you are a person who fully believes in the King James Only

position.

You are vehemently opposed to our guest's comments today,

or perhaps even more appropriately, to remain anonymous.

You're in a church that is King James Only, and you are drifting away from that and

coming to a more biblically and historically sound understanding of these

issues, but you don't want to identify yourself yet as being opposed

to or beginning to leave King James Onlyism.

Perhaps you're even a pastor, and you are beginning to

question the King James Only position and your fellow elders, if you have any, or the church

that you're in is predominantly King James Only.

It might even be officially King James Only, as far as its identity and

their signage and perhaps their constitution, or what have you.

And you don't want to identify yourself yet, because perhaps you're just thinking these things through.

Well, those are reasons, and I'm sure there are other reasons.

Why you might want to remain anonymous.

But please, if it's just a general question on the issues we are addressing, please give us at least your first name,

your city and state, and your country of residence, if you live outside the USA.

Well, first of all, let's talk about the

thousand -pound gorilla in the room.

I'm wondering why you said to yourself, I've got to write a book on the King

James Only issue, because we all know who are Reformed, that there

is a book that is considered the Bible of King James Only

conspiracies and heresies.

That is the book, The King James Only Controversy, by Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries.

And some might say, what on earth does Fred have to say that James didn't already cover in that thoroughly

exhaustive book?

It will at least appears to be.

Especially when even somebody of the ilk of D .A. Carson, who wrote his own book on the issue,

said James White's book's better than mine.

Yeah, James White's books are better than mine, too.

Mine is mercifully short.

And I hit all the salient...

Well, it's not all that short.

It is...

No, his...

Mine...

How many pages is mine?

A hundred and fifty...

A hundred and sixty...

Sixty -five pages.

Yeah, that's...

And I think James is like I remember.

Wow, I don't have it in my hand, but I didn't realize it was that long.

I've read it cover to cover, but I don't remember it being that long, but maybe it is.

I was a King James only when I read that book, and so I wrote mine,

came out to eat somewhere.

This humbling experience of showing him my angry King James,

a lot of detail.

You can check...

And just so we don't unnecessarily offend many of

our listeners who prefer the King James Bible above all others, they may be

even in a denomination or a fellowship of some kind that

insists that all of the pastors only use the King James

from their pulpits.

We have to make sure that we are not vilifying everybody who loves,

prefers, and even exclusively uses the King James Bible.

In fact, I have had a number of guests on this program who's preaching and teaching I

value very highly who only use the King James version.

Dr. Joel Beakey, for instance, his denomination where he is a

key figure, the Heritage Reformed Congregations.

Unless something has changed, all their pastors must use the King James Bible from the pulpits.

And there are other denominations whose pastors I really enjoy and I've developed very close

friendships with, like the Free Presbyterian Church of North America, also known as the Free Presbyterian Church of

Ulster, where it started.

And I could go on and on with folks who love and

prefer the King James Bible and exclusively use it, who would not be guilty

of extreme, nutty, and heretical

approaches to this whole thing.

Tell us about specifically the compelling factor of you writing the book that

involves conspiracies, King James -only conspiracies, against

God's Word.

I'll begin by saying that

I'm

somewhere

away

from

key

docs

of

the

Word

of

God.

Yes.

I said, yes, I'm familiar with some of those names, especially David Cloud, a very well -known figure amongst independent

fundamentalist Baptists.

And D .A. Waite, and those guys like that.

In fact, I challenged D .A. Waite years ago to debate James White on the King James

-only issue.

And after going back and forth for a lengthy period of time, Dr. Waite

finally agreed to do the debate if there were no cross -examinations.

And I said, sorry, that is the life's...

Yeah, that's another part of your argument.

That is the life's blood of a debate, because otherwise you're just hearing people give speeches.

Yep.

And so that was probably...

You had

some

New

Age

Bible

version

coming

more...

And Dr. MacArthur, his favorite translation or version is the New American

Standard Bible, which...

That's correct.

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Welcome back, if you just tuned us in.

Our guest today is Fred Butler and he is the author of a book we are addressing

today, Royal Deceptions Exposing the King James Only

Conspiracies Against God's Word.

If you have a question our email address is chrisarmson at gmail .com.

C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

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private matter.

One thing I forgot to mention when I introduced you, Fred.

Can you tell our listeners about a blog site called Hip

and Thigh and please explain the name before I get in trouble.

I

know, I

get those

James Rinders I thought is

I began to blog back in 2000.

Theological philosophy.

Is it still an active blog site?

What's that?

Is it still active as a blog site?

It is, I post up and raising kids

for 2020 but now

that they have

180 characters

I do have other articles.

Now when you say you have articles on old earth creationism are you an old earth creationist?

Oh good, no, no.

Okay, I'm glad you clarified that.

I'm a biblical creationist.

I'm a young earth guy.

I do have friends who are old earthers.

I'm not but I have great fellowship with

them as long as they don't start to get nasty.

Some people think the old earthers are just victims in this dispute that they are the ones

wrongly being accused of heresy but they have their members who do their own fair share of that, believe me

who think that we are sending people to hell because we are making the church look moronic since we don't accept

the...

No, but we believe a dead man rose from the grave.

Right.

So I mean, that'll...

Right.

You know what I mean.

Well, if anybody wants to look into hip and thigh you can go to hipandthigh .wordpress .com

and hip and thigh is spelt with the word and A -N -D in the middle, not the symbol.

Okay, before the break you mentioned Gail Ripplinger or Ripplinger I can't remember

which way to pronounce it.

She is one of the more controversial figures in the King James Only

movement and she is in a unique category of King James Onlyists

and we have to make sure that we're not broad brushing all of the King James Only folks because I don't even

think David Cloud or D .A. Waite would feel comfortable

having Gail Ripplinger associated with them as a colleague of theirs or something.

Would I be right on that?

Yeah, in fact when she...

And since most... and since most, not all but most King James.

Only folk are independent fundamentalist Baptists.

Yeah, that's correct.

It would be odd for them to have a close affiliation with Gail

Ripplinger.

She appears to be speaking in ways that only a charismatic could speak.

Am I right on that?

I mean, there seems to be strange things.

Extrabiblical revelation.

Yeah, she was claiming extrabiblical.

I thought it was interesting that when she and...

Yeah, God and Ripplinger, right?

He intentionally hid the fact that... and I think that's...

that

you're

unable...

No, it can be difficult to... English

use of King James.

Eventually, I broke the whole mindset

and I went to my boss

challenged me and

immediate

boss.

Not

Phil,

lady.

She's

petty.

Well, maybe I

could like...

Well, maybe I could put this

to kind of eat through.

Oh,

that's

a great cover.

Yeah, no, my...

That was our first idea.

I'm just thinking of King James maybe wearing a tinfoil hat and my friend at the manor sending me that photograph.

That was great.

Yeah, I think that...

It's true, yeah.

Yeah, well, there are some... probably a minority of King James onlyists who prefer

just referring to that translation or version as the authorized version because they're not crazy about

association with King James either.

I mean, it is kind of interesting how the majority of the folks who are King

James onlyists are independent fundamentalist Baptists who despise...

Many of them despise the Reformation and anything associated with it.

Yeah, they do.

Yeah, Calvinism too.

And it would...

So it's ironic that they would cherish a Bible and some of them and remember I'm

saying some of them.

Have as an idol.

This Anglican translation when many of them

don't even believe that the Anglican church was a true... a

part of the stream of preserving God's people

in history.

And so it's just odd.

And of course there were even Baptist martyrs in England in the

year 1611 when the Bible came out.

And

that

was

overseen

in

doing

so.

And in fact, it's ironic also that they would use similar charges

against Calvinists.

How could you be a Baptist who loves and appreciates the writings of John Calvin when John

Calvin was no fan of Anabaptists and one of the

charges against Michael Servetus that led to his execution was not only his

denial of the Trinity but his denial of infant baptism.

And so therefore you have independent fundamentalist Baptists saying how could you possibly have any

use for John Calvin when he did not at all appreciate or hated

the concept of believer -only baptism and an independent autonomous church and so on.

And the difference is I'm sure you would agree is that we love Calvin those who

do who are typically labeled reformed or sovereign grace believing Christians or a number of

nicknames because we believe what he taught was biblical and you cannot get

King James -onlyism in any way, shape, or form from the Bible.

That's one of the big differences.

Yeah, exactly.

Tell us why this is such an important issue.

Number one.

You already hinted at this.

The first thing that I have always had hurled against me

by King James -onlyists is that I am attacking the King James

Bible.

I could clearly remember when I worked for WMCA radio

before I had my own regular talk show.

I filled in on occasion for Andy Anderson who was the host of Talk New York which later

became Andy Anderson Live on WMCA 570 AM in New York an affiliate

of Salem Media the largest Christian radio network in the world.

I would fill in for Andy on occasion and I had James White on to talk about the King

James -only controversy as my guest.

When I filled in for Andy and the pastor who I knew who used the

studio to record his own program that was a pre -recorded program

he was waiting in the lobby to come in when we were finished.

He was a King James -onlyist I was aware of that and he was livid.

And he barged into the studio when the show was over and he said How can you keep attacking

the King James Bible?

And I said How am I attacking the King James Bible.

When I made it clear that I love it that the Lord has used it to save

countless souls that countless thousands of pastors

throughout centuries have used and cherished this version that have led many to

Christ.

It is you that is the only one in this discussion attacking any version or translation.

You are attacking and vilifying the NASB.

And as much as I don't agree with everything in the NIV I still believe it is the Word of God in English.

So they attack the NIV.

They attack the ESV.

They attack even the Geneva Bible.

They even attack the New King James translation.

So they're the only ones really in this discussion attacking anything or vilifying anyone because of

a translation.

Am I right?

That's correct.

And that's

probably

because

he's like any other.

That's another division amongst them, I believe.

In fact, let's pick up on that when we return because right now we've got to go to the midway break which I hope that you

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That's chrisarnson at gmail .com chrisarnson at gmail .com and you offer

six arguments defending King James Onlyism in your book Fred and then

you show our listeners or should I say your readers right now you're going to show our listeners how to

respond to those arguments or claims.

And we were hinting at one of them before the belief that God's Word has

only been faithfully preserved in one English translation the 1611 King James.

And there is even a division amongst King James Onlyists over this the more

sound and rational among them who would be logically

consistent with cessationism.

In other words non -charismatic views which would include many of the independent

fundamentalist baptists and others they would not believe that the King James

version is divinely inspired but just protected by corrupt from

corruption and preserved from corruption by the providence of God from

1611 to our present day in that one translation.

And then you have others who are more on the heretical fringe who actually do believe

even though they're not Anglicans that God re -inspired this translation and it

is a superior guide for truth God breathed truth than the actual

original languages of Hebrew and Greek.

But if you could tell us about this defense that they have the King James

Onlyists one of them that the belief that God's Word the Holy Bible has only been

faithfully preserved in one English translation the 1611 King James tell us about that.

Yes chapter and that chapter is and the

idea is that

when

we

know

what God's

way

who he believed in

the Greek how the King James

was transcending

was more of a dynamic equivalence like the

NIV and then the overall theology of the King James

can

everybody

who

says

that.

Okay.

All King James.

Okay.

As I said not all King.

Okay we have anonymous listener

anonymous listener who says I have been thinking through this issue mainly due to

the fact that many of my closest Christian friends are King James Onlyists

in one degree or another.

The thing that you have said about D .A. Waite is interesting to me that he

believes that the King James version is more clearly reflective of

independent Baptist thought than other translations.

The reason why I find that an odd statement is because of the insistence of

translations in the King James version that are outside of the norm of

independent Baptist practice such as bishop is being used

instead of elder and pastor and also the fact that the

word immerse is never translated for the act of baptism.

If you could respond.

Understanding what.

As I had said

not in his you know the way he's trying to articulate it.

Another example

2000

canon that God intended for the original King James

had

the well

and D

.A. Waite

think that he would believe that you know the apocryphal.

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Royal deceptions exposing the King James only conspiracies against God's word.

Thank you for the very excellent question.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County Long Island who said

that King.

You said that King James.

Onlyists refer to the King James as the word of God.

Now I understand that there is a difference between the perfection and inerrancy and

infallibility of the original autographs the original manuscripts.

But don't you consider the NASB the word of God or other modern translations that you are now defending.

If it is not the word of God why would you defend them?

Ah yes

he's

into

that

nature

or we translate something.

Well then you are actually physically altering the

yeah I believe the ESV and the NASB it's

going to be contained in

all of those

copies of those autographs.

Sometimes

they

change

it inerrancy change in his

particular

mini and

when he began to sort of

these manuscripts and that he has preserved

and that hasn't been lost it hasn't.

We don't know what God trick you

it just it just so I was trying to get out of my book.

So to clarify when we say those

of us that that believe it is completely just and in fact wise

to consult various translations of God's word in the English

language or whatever language that you happen to speak that is going to

be the best way to be hearing or reading the

full counsel of God the way God intended it.

And I know that you made a little faux pas before God didn't write it he breathed it he used human instruments to

write it.

But that when you say that God's breathed word is

only perfectly available in one translation and then you will have

scholars finding errors in that that brings pollution and

doubt into the whole concept of believing in the inerrancy and infallibility of God's word doesn't it?

Yeah exactly and that's one of the things rather than

you've got

these

problems

and if you try to find some really

well then you're going to they're going to

have.

In the long run it's like well is this really

unable to.

In fact and it's they the King James only is who hurl that accusation at us that because we

believe in multiple translations being accurate and some

being superior to others in certain areas like for instance you'll hear someone like

Dr. James R. White sometimes will say even though I love the NASB

I think the King James version is the best translation in this passage or I think the ESV puts

it best in this passage or etc.

I would agree with that yes.

But the King James only has a dilemma because especially if they do not

believe in re -inspiration because the only way that you could possibly believe any English translation or

any translation into another language outside of the original Hebrew and Greek

you would have to believe the translators are infallible and inerrant and somehow inspired divinely

by the Holy Spirit.

And for some reason God used people that in the minds of most independent fundamentalist Baptists

are heretics to do this the Anglicans.

Right.

That's true.

In fact.

There's a humorous story that I once heard by the late John Riesinger.

I don't know if you remember.

John Riesinger.

I do.

I read a lot of his materials.

Well John I used to go to the Bunyan Conference the John Bunyan Conference.

Every year.

For a number of years and he referred to an organization in fact

I believe D .A. Waite may have founded it or is the leader of it called the Dean Burgeon Society.

Yeah.

He used the president for that.

As far as I know he's still alive.

If he died.

He died recently because I'm pretty sure he's still alive but.

But what I was going to say.

Is that in order to be in the Dean Burgeon Society you have to be an independent fundamentalist Baptist.

But the irony is that Dean Burgeon was an Anglican.

I know that's exactly and he had like you know

looking at that stuff

men who were trying to.

Are you talking about the translators of the.

Yeah these various translators these manuscripts and began to give us our

modern versions.

Okay.

And to move us.

And also.

Doing it for sinister reasons.

And the thing that we got to remember is the King James translators themselves never made the claims

about their work that King James onlyists make.

They never claimed that this was going to be the the end of all biblical

scholarship and translation effort.

They never claimed that this was the one true inerrant and infallible translation and

all others must be banished.

They never thought that of their own work.

And.

Well thank you Ronald.

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We have another anonymous listener who says.

How do you respond to the charges that many of my closest friends who are King James

onlyists make when they will look at a passage that appears

on its surface to have a superior rendering to all other translations

that would maintain a belief for instance in the deity of Christ or some other

crucial doctrine.

And when a modern translation might leave out a word with the intention of

not adding words that were not in the earlier manuscripts the King James onlyists will

say see they removed that word.

How do you typically respond to those that will claim the modern translations purposely removed

words to lessen the important doctrines such as the deity of Christ

or salvation by grace through faith alone or a multitude of other issues that we could address.

Ah that's an excellent question and i do address

this with a modern version.

They're taking

older manuscripts

in the modern version.

In

my

mind

they're helping really what

they're

doing to introduce harris.

In fact in fact James White's King James only controversy has a chart

where he compares.

He compares the modern translations with the King James and shows how some of them are superior

to the King James translations of certain texts to prove the very deity of Christ.

And they're both

claiming it's saying and that can be a problem because then you've got people.

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many more of those six defenses of king james onlyism

that they present to us to grapple with.

And how you would respond to them.

Uh but uh to the um just just to clear up something uh

to the idea because this is a frequently thing.

Probably the most frequently thing uh i hear frequently heard thing

um that i hear from king james onlyist is that they will say things just like our listeners said

well look at this passage the lord.

The word the lord in the nasb is left out or the word lord in the niv is left out.

Or the defenders of your modern translations don't

even believe in the passage of the woman being caught in adultery is

a god -breathed text that belongs in the canon.

And we could go on and on uh but one way that i have sought to add

clarity to that and i don't know if i succeed or not but i said let's say that i

want to come up with a translation the chris arneson translation.

And in john 1 1 it says uh in the beginning was the word and the word was

god and the word was with god.

And i add the phrase for further clarity.

And the word was jesus christ the second person of the trinity.

That that sentence is nowhere in any manuscript.

And then then for some reason 500 years from now the most

popular translation of the bible is the chris arneson version.

And you have those defenders who have become chris arneson version.

Only say look at these other translations.

They left out the reference to the trinity in john 1 1.

See how heretical they are.

That's kind of what we're talking about here.

Isn't it.

Yeah.

Exactly at

that

game.

There you

have a

full of manuscripts and

didn't even have it in his first

and later.

Somebody produced some manuscripts that you know he had added or something

like and it very well could have

been

margins of his manuscript that just said.

You know he's talking about the trinity.

Or he you know he tried to saying there that rendering

eventually that manuscript.

Well then

you're

honestly you don't need to go to that passage to prove

the trinity like you know the trinity and uh the idea that

somehow you're removing.

And we have uh susan margaret in dauphin county pennsylvania.

You'll have to be quick with this answer and it's kind of related to what you just said.

Uh was not the latin vulgate.

Uh let's see here she's kind of using uh improper grammar here was not the latin

vulgate a crucial aspect of the development of the textus receptus and it is

odd to me that that would be the since most independent fundamentalist baptists who are king james only us

vehemently oppose roman catholicism as a false religion and the church as.

A false church.

It was the work of jerome and

it wasn't from maybe a

few other people helping him.

And it became the standards

began to want to translate from the original greek manuscripts

word in the

latin.

You're going

okay.

We're out of time uh fred but we're going to have you back if you could hold on i'd like to schedule you off the air another interview.

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Look forward to his return.

I want to thank everybody who listened and i want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that jesus christ is a far greater

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