Quick Report on Australia/New Zealand then Open Phones

Earpiece in to talk to the callers.

Well, greetings and welcome to The Dividing Line. That's a very nice Windows 10 background I see up there. That's probably, oh, hey, there we go. Hey, it's gonna be a nice, relaxed, quiet day. For me anyways.

Open phones, 877 -753 -3341, 877 -753 -3341. Notice I have to look up at the number. It's been so long since I actually said it last. Bunch of things. Please don't freak out, but we moved something in the background.

I moved the board regeneration light. Yeah, it's gone. Just had two, evidently there are too many people in our audience who are obsessive compulsive, OCD, and they just go, and they can't listen to the show because of that.

So hopefully the lava lamp is actually more calming and stuff, and people won't freak out about that. So I miss it. Yeah. What? Oh, Rich says he doesn't miss it. He was very happy to see it. It's actually just right over there.

I suppose I could plug it in someplace and then I could see it, but then you all couldn't see it. So I might do that. I might put it over there just so I have a nice little, I could put it facing me. I just realized I could put it over here.

And then when you do that silly, that'll stop you from doing that silly wide shot. Yeah, I'm gonna put it over there. So when you do the wide shot, you see it, and then you won't do the wide shot anymore.

So that'll take care of that. Can you hear me? See, I don't have this in yet. You put it in, you take it out, you put it in. And so apparently my This way, if I don't have this in, I don't have to listen to him.

Anyway, I was told someone in Sydney, was it Sydney or Brisbane? I don't know. It was an 18 day trip and it all melds together after a while but someone told me that I need to be much nicer to Rich. Yeah, it's not like he'd listen anyway.

And I'm just like, nice to Rich? I mean, I am the very essence of kindness to Rich. What are you talking about? And it says, nah, you're hard on him. Hard on? I just didn't, I could not even begin to understand.

What, but see, if I put it right down like with the straw man here, then you won't do that shot anymore. Cause, oh, there it is.

It's actually still there. See? What he doesn't realize is that I can zoom in.

And see it was right about here on the other shot right there. So anyway. But he's not listening to me right now. Eight, seven, seven, seven, five, three, three, three, four, one. Yes, it is. It is election day.

I got to tell you my story before I tell you about the trip. And then we start taking your phone calls. And let me see here. Oh, we actually have people online. Good. Anyway, real quick, my confidence, my confidence in the American electoral system was not increased by my experience today.

I can walk to the polling place. It's, it's, I don't think it's more than 200 yards. So I grabbed my driver's license cause I've never been asked for anything else. And, you know, walked on down there and it's probably what about 87 today, close to 90 in the sun, which in Arizona is almost a jacket weather.

And so I get down there and there's only two people in front of me and there's two people checking people in. So there's only one person. So I'm second person in line. So I'm listening to all this. The one on the left is being told that the system says you've already voted.

And the one on the right is talking about how they've moved recently and they're being told this isn't where they're supposed to be voting anyways, but they'll give them a ballot anyway. So I'm sort of going, okay, all right.

So I walk up to this lady and I hand her my driver's license. She scans it and says, a voter registration card. I don't have my voter registration card. So there's this dude who sort of seems to be like in charge.

And he says, well, you can still fill it out but you have to mail it in. So I just take my driver's license back and say, okay, have a good day. I start walking out. I'm actually outside the door. I said, sir, sir.

And I turn around, yeah. You don't want to vote? No thanks. And I just leave. So I walk home and I wasn't exactly certain where my voter ID card was anyways, but I had a hint, a feeling. So I looked, found it.

I'm like, eh, it's only 200 yards. I mean, well, okay, 200 yards, 400 yards, big deal. So I walk back down and the dude isn't there anymore. Same two people checking people in. And I end up with a guy this time.

There was a guy and a gal. And so again, both people in front of me, same story as before. Well, you know, you're not supposed to be at this one but you can get a provisional ballot. And I'm sitting there going, this is weird.

And so I go up and I hand the guy, my driver's license and my voter ID card. He immediately hands the voter ID card back to me and says, I don't need it. And he scans my thing, it's a sign there. And I sign it, he hands me the ballot and I go, wait a minute.

I said, why did she ask me for my voter ID card? And you don't ask me for my voter ID card. Oh, we don't need the voter ID. Well, then why did she? She's right there. I mean, she's this, I could have patted her head like this.

It doesn't say a word. So some other lady says, well, I tried to stop you. I guess what she was saying was she was wrong to ask that. So then why did the dude in charge say that I'd have to mail my ballot in?

It was a mess. I mean, it was, I mean, I have this much confidence in the electoral system anyways, I really do. And it went down to there today because everything I saw was like. So I primarily voted, I wrote a name in for the presidential thing, who's actually a actual candidate just didn't make Arizona's ballot, but actual candidate for one of the third parties that was closest I could come.

But there are two ballot initiatives here in Arizona. And one of them's the let's all become potheads initiative. And so I felt it was worth 400 yards of walking to say, no, not that it's gonna make any difference, but I still said no.

And so anyway, so there was my voting experience. Guy tried to give me a sticker and I just shook my head. And he said, but it's a sticker. And I said, it's why we vote. And it was just sort of like, yeah, yeah.

That sort of sums it all up. I just saw something on Facebook of Phil Johnson with his voting sticker in the middle of his forehead and said, I felt unclean afterwards. This is the closest ever coming to taking the mark of the beast.

So, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so we get back, I got back yesterday and I am just so thankful. It was looking like I wasn't gonna get back till today because I was in, we did a conference, an Axe 29 conference.

First time I've done anything with Axe 29. The guys were great. Thanks guys. It was, you know, I've had people say, so what do you think about Axe 29? I'm like, well, you know, Driscoll was involved and he's out and I guess Matt Chandler is sort of in charge now or something.

I don't know. You know, the conference we did was very well attended and we had really good speakers. Aside from me, we had Jim Renahan. Now, Jim Renahan is sort of like the grand poobah of Reformed Baptists.

Well, of a number of Reformed, even Reformed Baptists have their divisions, okay? You know, there's some historical divisions, then there's some more modern divisions. And, you know, I try to just float over top of that.

I, you know, basically here's, you wanna get along with me, you want me to get along with you. Don't demand that I dislike or disfellowship people you don't like or disfellowship, okay? As long as you're just focused upon what I teach, I'm gonna do the best job I can in apologetics for you.

If you've got me doing a debate, you know, I'm gonna give my best. I'm gonna teach on the Trinity. You know what I believe. I've got enough books out that it's not much of a mystery. You know, as long as you're willing to go there with me and not force me into whatever political stuff you're involved in, we're gonna get along great.

And so you've got Jim Ranahan and his bow ties. Now, I did wear a bow tie on Sunday, but I let him have the bow tie stuff on the first day because I, you know, Jim's a good brother, but his color palette in his bow ties is just a little limited, just a little, just a little.

And so you've got Jim Ranahan, you got me, and he got Joe Thorne. Now, Joe Thorne, I had never met before. And when I, as this trip started getting closer, I started sort of looking at stuff and I was looking at speakers and stuff.

And so I friended him on Facebook and, you know, sort of looking at things going, this is gonna be interesting, this is gonna be interesting. Well, we met and just hit it off, just immediately. Clicked as quick as anything.

And what was really fun, he has his style, Jim has his style, I have mine, and the people really liked the mixture of styles. And none of us are really even close to the others in how we present stuff.

So if one guy doesn't, you know, turn the light on for you, the other guys might, so that's a good thing. And then we had a lot of panel discussions. Basically after each one of us spoke, well, not sure, well, how many panel discussions did we have?

I've lost track, I think we had three, maybe two. Anyway, we had panels and they really worked well. We fed off of each other and played off of each other and the time just went flying by. Some panel discussions are not that way.

Some panel discussions are just, can we get this done, please? Will someone speak up? I always end up answering three quarters of the questions because everybody else is just like, you know. And dead air is not a good thing.

So anyway, panel discussions went well. But I was just really impressed with the leaders down there and the guys down there. We had a lot of dinners together and get togethers and the conversations were, they're just really passionate guys and just humble and sacrificial and focused on the glory of Christ.

And it was just neat. They were just great folks. I think these are the folks that some people, I won't mention their names, think are gonna destroy Calvinism somehow. I don't think so. Had a great time with them, good folks.

And I did the whole trip. I started off in Brisbane. I really wanna thank all the folks. I've come back feeling pretty good. I mean, Jeff, yesterday, did you see Jeff on Facebook? What truck hit me? You know?

Like, yeah, I understand. So today's the day I'm supposed to be going, what truck hit me? And instead, I don't know if any of you saw, but I posted a little link. I did a hundred kilometer bike ride in Zwift.

Zwift is the online thing. And there was a challenge they have. And the challenge, if you do a hundred kilometers in this challenge, you might get a all expenses paid trip to Zwift headquarters to distribute toys to kids.

You know what the toy is? Big wheel. So you know what I did a hundred kilometers on today? A big wheel. So the whole time, now I'm obviously on my bike, I'm on my trainer, just as normal. But on the screen, here I am at this big old, me, me, me, me, big wheel for a hundred kilometers amongst other bikes and stuff like that.

I'm riding a big wheel for up mountains and everything else. And it was fun. So that's what I did today. How about you, Jeff? And how old are you again? Nevermind, I'm sorry. I'm being mean. But seriously, one of the reasons I think is the guys in Brisbane, Craig Ireland, and all the guys at both Grace Bible and Hope Reform Baptist Church, Jeff and I sort of switched places.

I'd speak at one while he was speaking at the other, and then we'd switch. Jeff did set an all-time record on Sunday, the first Sunday night we were there. He preached one hour and 38 minutes. I did not do that and will not attempt to break that record.

He, I've often said people, I always get up and if I hadn't, if I forgot, I'll ask people, so when do you normally get done? And they all say the same thing. Just let the spirit lead, brother, whenever you get finished.

And I go, yeah. And when do you normally get done? Because I know better. You just don't do that. You just, no. When you get done, when the folks expect you to get done. And so anyway, we had fun there, but one of the guys lent me his bike to ride.

And they got me a hotel, had a rower in it. And the hotel happened to be right on the waterfront along the river in Brisbane. So you can run anywhere. So I had a rower, I could run, and then I got a bike.

And so I fell behind in riding a little bit, but I did almost 280K of riding between Brisbane and Sydney. And I exceeded my running and my way, 70 ,000 meters on the rower. So it was beautiful. You saw me posting, if you follow me on Facebook, I was posting pictures from downtown Brisbane.

It's just gorgeous. It really is beautiful in that area. And we climbed Mount Coot-tha. And to make a long story short, I'm really thankful for the guys that put out the extra effort, both there and in Sydney, because the guys in Sydney rented me a bike.

And Stephen, one of the elders there in Stanmore, we rode down to Wollongong, which if you look on a map, it's right at 100Ks down the coast. And I have never ridden in as bad a traffic as I rode in on this trip.

Both in Brisbane, coming back from a 70K ride we did, we hit rush hour, and I was playing bumper cars with buses. It was, I normally don't do that. I normally don't ride roads like that. We have wider roads in Arizona.

And then in Sydney, getting out of Sydney to get down to Wollongong, yeah, yeah. And I had forgotten my mirror. And besides that, everything's on the wrong side of the road. That, which is really freaky, because I'm not really sure how to take turns and stuff and where to be looking for cars and stuff.

So it was, you know, it was, it was, made me nervous, but I still got some great rides in, got to ride down underneath the Sydney Harbor Bridge, then over the Sydney Harbor Bridge, next to the Opera House in Sydney.

And Wollongong was beautiful. I got some beautiful pictures down there. Make a long story short, thanks guys, because you all put out the extra effort for the bikes. In Sydney, I was able to go to Sydney University and row and run and stuff like that.

Made all the difference health-wise, because I'm feeling great. And I spent 18 days overseas. And I think what allowed me to avoid jet lag was as soon as I got to Brisbane, I was running, I was rowing, and it just, it forced my clock to adjust by doing the workouts.

And it made all the difference in the world. So thank you very much. Because it used to be, I'd go for a two-week trip, and then I'd be down for at least a week, almost two weeks, and I'd get back from sickness.

That's almost a month out of your life. You know, it really has to be factored into how often you go places. So really appreciate your ministry to me. And I think that assisted in my ministry to you. Because, hey, a speaker who feels good just got a 7 ,000-meter row in, and is probably gonna be a little bit more with it than someone who's coughing and hacking and taking drugs to try to stop their sinus infection or something like that.

So very appreciative for all of that. And the people putting up with my less-than-globally-wide taste in food. So the few stops at the Golden Arches, which are ubiquitous, they're everywhere. So, which you should appreciate.

Yes, I know they're a phone thing. But one last thing, and then we'll go to the phones. I wanna thank, there's so many people I need to thank. Because so many people down there were so kind. Like I said, extremely encouraging.

I hope you all saw the pictures of Angus James, the cutest little red-haired boy I think I've ever seen. So he's wearing a shirt that says, I am named after Dr. James White. They didn't have any classes in seminary that prepared you for what you're supposed to say.

When mom's wearing a Theology Matters t-shirt, dad's got a shirt on that said, these are things I used to believe before I met Jeff Durbin and James White, and he's got all these things. And so many people coming up to us and just talking about how this program, this program has been just a lifeline for them, just incredibly important to them.

And it's humbling, encouraging, absolutely amazing. And I just pray that we'll be able to continue doing it for a long time in the future. That may be changing as a result of what's going on in our nation today.

And by the way, I thought I was gonna get away from the election. Ha, I'd say people down, there were people I met. I was talking with a fellow just a few nights ago in Wellington that clearly knows much more about the political situation in our nation than the vast majority of people voting today.

I mean, big screen TVs in Brisbane, outside the city hall with the morning programs on. You know what they're talking about? Donald Trump. Now, Australian television, way to the left. ABC, Australian broadcast, way left.

Hillary can do no wrong. Trump is probably an alien, Android, something like that. But man, they were talking about nothing but our election. And they had advertisements, advertisements. Election Wednesday, because they're a day ahead.

So they're going wall to wall with election coverage today. And I'll bet you 99 of the people in this audience cannot name the prime ministers of either New Zealand or Australia. I can't, sorry. But these folks know that what happens here is extremely important.

The sad thing is, I think unless I get run over by a truck, I'm gonna live long enough to see when they won't need to worry about that nearly as much anymore. While I was over there, I bet you didn't even make coverage over here.

Did you hear? I'll ask you. The Philippines have reoriented their economic stance and treaties and left dealing with the United States and joined up with China. And their statement from their president was, the US has lost, China has won.

Did you hear that? Yeah, you're not gonna hear it in the States, but you heard it over there. You heard it over there. These people ain't stupid. They know what's going on over here. They see the diminishing impact of this nation.

And I'm gonna tell you right now, it is because of the cultural collapse, moral, ethical, cultural collapse. So anyway, last week, we were scheduled to have a debate with Abdullah Kunda at Stanmore there in Sydney, Stanmore Reformed Baptist Church.

And Abdullah missed his flight. Abdullah, why'd you miss your flight? And I was really bummed. I'm just like, and so David Old tells me about it. We go over this little pub type place, have fish and chips while we're trying to figure out what we're gonna do.

And we get to the church and we were on the phone with him and he says, well, we can try doing it by Skype. And the guys at Stanmore have never done anything like that, but they just jumped to it. I mean, they just, and we made it work.

Now, it wasn't as useful as it could have been. There's no way. I caught about 60 of his opening statement, but what was going on, we figured out was he didn't have headphones on. So the microphone was catching the stuff coming back and kept dropping out.

And so no matter what we do, unless someone, unless Abdullah recorded on his end, which I don't think he did. If he did, maybe we can rescue it. Cause if we had his audio, but I don't think he did. So it was tough because I'm having to ask him questions.

Did you say, did I hear you say? And of course it's hard for the audience to follow his argument when half of what he's, a third of what he's saying is dropping out and stuff. It was tough. It was tough.

Once he put the headphones on, then it worked pretty well. I was surprised that the cross-examination, we really, the one thing I will say is, as with the previous debate, we got into the real meat of the issue.

And that's what makes it, it'll still be useful, just not as useful as it could have been. So my thanks to Abdullah for doing the Skype thing, the guys at Stanmore for making it work and still looking forward to getting an opportunity to do more of that type of stuff with Abdullah because it, again, was very respectful.

And there was a cool, I have one cool picture of Abdullah before the audience came in and he goes, hey, look, and we look up on the screen and he's put a bow tie on. He says, this is just for James, you know?

And so we had a good time there. Okay, all right. I said open phones and everybody's sitting there going, why aren't you going to open phones? So let's get going here and let's talk with Micah. Hi, Micah.

Hey, James, how are you? Doing pretty good. Thank you for opening up the phone calls and taking the risk on election day.

Yeah, well, right now, everyone's just sitting around yammering and repeating the same things over and over again anyway, so this really doesn't mean much, yeah. That's true.

Anyway, thank you for all your work. I'm a relative of a new listener and I appreciate your previous lesson on soul scripture. And when you go back to those foundational things, it's very helpful to keep doing that.

Yeah, definitely. Listen, I've been dealing with some people at Church of Christ, the Campbellite kind. Right. And I'm finding that Reformed theology is the only consistent way to handle their doctrines.

Oh yeah. Which is incredible. And I'm finding that their argument is always, whenever I get around to speaking one and two, the argument is always, oh, Paul is talking about, this is a plan of salvation, and so God is graciously giving us a plan and now it's up to you to fulfill the plan by believing and being baptized and obeying, et cetera, et cetera.

So monergism is obviously the most consistent way to handle that.

Right, and yeah, but from their perspective, obviously Acts 2 .38 is the center point of the entire Bible and the lens through which everything else must be viewed, and it can be very difficult to break through that.

On that issue and then on another issue, that issue and then the, whenever I address Acts 2 .38 and address Dan, that verse, and then immediately following, we were called, whenever I address that specifically, they always, oh, well, you're twisting scripture.

I'm sorry, you're what? I'm twisting scripture. Just read it on the face. This is what it says. Yeah. He baptized for the remission of sins and they'll always hold me back to that. So that's one issue.

And the second issue that always throws me off is their sort of cultic stance on denomination. And they always take me around the 15th, 16th and say, okay, here's the churches of Christ for you. This is the original church.

I'll ask them, well, Paul commanded you to kiss for a holy kiss. Do you do that? I jokingly say that to say, you guys are obviously not like the original church. But Well, they think they are.

They think they are. I've never met a Campbellite that had read a word of the early church fathers. So personally, it's a fundamentalist form of works righteousness based on fulfilling baptism and so on and so forth.

And yeah, it's very difficult to break through because unless you can somehow inculcate a desire to listen to all of scripture and not just portions of scripture and to follow entire themes throughout the entirety of the text of the Bible, you're not gonna get anywhere with someone like that.

I mean, it's not a major area of my interest. We have thought about doing a debate with this one guy a long time ago, but it sort of fell apart. Because I mean, those type of Church of Christ folks will do four-night debates just on Acts 2 .38.

I don't know what in the world you could say for four nights about a single text of scripture, but that's sort of how they do things. But we did, I've told the story a number of times of a Church of Christ lady who came into our chat channel a number of years ago, and we talked with her about John chapter six.

And she would go away, we'd answer her questions, and she would go away. And then she would come back with answers that she had gotten first from her elders, and then from stuff that she was reading and things like that.

And she just kept coming back and kept coming back. And maybe this is just sort of encouragement for you, but it took a number of months, but eventually she got it. And it cost her friends and position and everything else, but she's reformed today.

And it was just simply the consistent testimony of scripture and not being able to, she realized that she couldn't just run off, keep running off to Acts chapter two. And what you might do, this is sort of useful on those lines, John six obviously is before Acts chapter two, and Peter was listening to that.

And there can't be a conflict between the two. And so John six is just so powerful and so consistent. And as long as you really know what's going on there, you can just immediately identify when someone drives off the rails, trying to get away from what it's saying.

But that's what Jesus taught before Peter said what he said in Acts chapter two. So was Peter contradicting Jesus? Peter had listened to these words. There has to be a consistency. So she was convinced that, hey, if it's scripture, then I need to believe it.

And she did, and voila, we saw the fruit of it. But that obviously requires the work of the spirit.

Well, thank you for taking my call, and it's sort of frustrating. These guys, I grew up with these guys in my hometown, and as I've grown older, I've wanted to interact with them. The more I've learned, it's frustrating.

Yeah, well, don't be, I understand frustration because you want someone to see, but at the same time, if you have the opportunity of speaking God's truth, you've got to leave it to him with the results and not find that to be a frustrating experience.

So, all right, thanks, Micah. Well, thank you very much. All right, God bless, bye-bye. 877 -753 -3341. Yeah, so, Alan in Atlanta.

Hey, Dr. White, hey, guess who I'm getting? Al Gore? Close, Al Gore, what's up, man?

Well, now, if you had called in and said Bo was calling in, you would have been the first caller. Well, that's true, that's by my instructions. So, but if Bo, if I had known that Bo was online, then we would have gone straight to you.

There wouldn't have been no hesitation, nothing like that, because

Well, thank you, James, I appreciate that. Yeah, well I don't appreciate it. So, hey, as soon as you said in channel, I was like, I didn't even let Red call in. So, I'm like, and I'm gonna extend you an invitation to call into the live Regular Reform Guys show tonight at 7 .30.

Regular Reform Guys, never heard of it.

There's a lot of stuff out there that, you know, there's a lot of podcasts and things like that. So, Bo, how you doing, bro? I'm doing well, I'm doing well. Miss you, man. Everybody needs to know that one of the two voices that you're hearing, if you've, and I've told folks this before, if I was looking at some pictures from, well, one of the videos I normally show in my Muslim presentation is of me and Shabbir Ali at Biola University doing a cross-examination.

And I use it as an illustration of Muslims attacking the veracity of the New Testament and stuff. And I always chuckle because the camera angle was just wide enough that right down front, you see this big guy and on the back of his red T-shirt, it says security.

And that was Bo. And it was Bo and this other guy whose name I won't mention on the air in the funny version that we have, but Jare, we'll just call him Jare, how's that? That arranged the debate with Shabbir Ali at Biola, which started all the rest of the Islamic debates.

And there was resistance to that. There were people who wanted to have it shut down. It wasn't easy to get done, but they got it done. So if you've benefited from the Muslim debates, then Bo here. Now, Alan, on the other hand, if you've ever watched the John Dominic Crossan debate and you notice when the lights start going down, that was Alan.

So there's the two of them.

There you go, right there. There you go. Yeah, and now we're working together. Isn't that great?

I think it is wonderful. The Lord is merciful to us and forgiving.

And while you were gone, it was a great run. Something amazing happened here in the States. Yeah. It was the Cubs won the World Series, man.

Yes, you know what? They even showed, when I was having breakfast one morning in Brisbane, the TV was playing the World Series. So yes, though there wasn't nearly as much excitement as rugby or things like that, but there was a little bit of interest and it was primarily for the Cubs because it had been 108 years and stuff like that.

So, yeah. So, Alan.

I did have a question for you. Okay. Are you, the people that you were not going to vote for.

In this election. Which were named Hillary Rodham Clinton and Donald J. Trump. Yes.

I was listening to Mueller recently and he said something. I think you listened to it as well. It was on the briefing a few weeks ago. I think it was right before you left. And it sounded like he was differentiating between those who were against those who were, those who would vote for Trump as a way to stop Hillary.

And then those who were defending Trump and trying to defend his character. I was curious, do you have that same, would you hold to that same distinction? Well, I've made it clear, if you can hold your nose,.

Chug some Pepto Bismol, all the rest of the things you'd have to do to pull that lover for Trump or draw the, for us here in Arizona, it's draw a line between the end of an arrow and the head of an arrow.

Anyway, if you are convinced, if you're willing to stand behind that, depending on what's gonna happen in the future, then great, I have no problem with that. But yeah, I see a huge difference between someone who is just so fearful of the obviously anti-Christian, anti-liberty, anti-freedom agenda of the socialist Marxist totalitarian Hillary Clinton that no matter what Donald J. Trump has done, that they're willing to say he can't be that bad.

Now, I consider that the Las Vegas vote because I don't see any reason to believe anything that Donald Trump says he's gonna do. I don't believe he's truthful, he has no character. Anybody who can brag about how many married women he's slept with and not repent of that and not even understand the need for it is obviously not someone I think is fit for anything, but there you go, at least from their perspective, at least he's not Clinton.

So I get that, I understand all the arguments about Supreme Court. I personally think that's like donning a wetsuit and going down and patching the hull of the Titanic, but if that's where you are, great.

That's completely different than the people who foisted this man upon us in the first place. That's a different, you know, people making excuses and promoting him as someone who's God's vessel. Okay, that vessel needs to sink too.

So, but I do make a, I see a clear distinction between the two and recognize that there are gonna be some people that, you know, I vote for a third party candidate and it's a wasted vote. Well, that's the best I could do.

That's, at least I can look at myself in the mirror in the morning and go from there. Right, okay. Well, thank you for taking my call. Thank you, Alan, for calling in and hey, Bo, dude, it's great to hear from you.

I really shouldn't do things like that because I do like Alan and I appreciate Alan, you know, calling in every once in a while, but is Alan still there? Oh, what did you do, mute him? Oh, unmute him.

That's not nice. Why were you muting him? Oh, there they are. There they are, okay. So I was just trying to be nice. I was just trying to be nice there and Rich muted you. So anyway. Okay, thanks a lot, Rich.

All right, guys, I gotta get some other folks. So we'll talk to you later. All right, see you then, bye. See ya, bye. Yeah, crazy guys, crazy guys. Okay, Graham in Columbus. Hi, Graham. Hello, sir, how are you doing today?

Well, I hope your question isn't too tough because, you know, I am, it is the day after a very, very long trip,.

But we'll do our best for you. I've made similar trips to Southeast Asia like that before, so I know what you're going through,.

But Yeah, you know that the day afterwards is sort of like, where am I? What time is it? Why is the sun up?

Yeah, right. The, well, I've been listening to you for about a, I'd say year and a half, maybe a little bit more. And I tell you, you're just a tremendous blessing in your ministry, your ministry is a huge blessing and all the work that you and Rich put in, I miss you in so many different ways.