Provoked: How to Witness During "Pride Month"

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Brothers, what we do in life echoes in eternity.

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I mean, this is what's wrong with the Christian church today. We don't know who God is, and we don't know who we are.

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This is where we hold them. This is where we fight. Officer, you need to repent of your lawless conduct.

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You don't know the law, and yet you pretend to represent it. That's not law enforcement, sir.

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That's being a thug. We will not stop fighting and bothering you all until this monstrous, barbaric practice of legalized abortion ends, and we are teaching our children to do the same.

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God's word says that the shed blood of innocent humans cries out for justice, and mark my words, they will have their day in court.

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Nobody gets saved by being treated nicely. They get saved by hearing the gospel. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

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If we don't open our mouths and commend Christ... We're not loving them, no matter what we're doing with our hands.

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Hey, what is going on? You have tuned in to another show of... Provoked. Provoked.

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Oh, we never did that. We could have said it at the same time. That would have been just dorky, but it would have been great.

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Yeah, appropriate for us. Right? Yeah. We're back. It's been a minute, but we're back, and we're happy to be side by side.

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Yep. Love you. It's good to be here. Love you, too. Yeah, so what's our show all about? We want to provoke people just to simply be

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Christians in the nation, Christians to your city, Christians to those around you, properly and effectively and adequately evangelizing.

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That's what we're all about. Yeah. Provoking is a good thing. We want to get provoked. Sometimes we need to get woke up.

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Think about the church. Statistically, it's just a fraction of the church that actually puts feet to their faith or opens up their mouth with the words of truth to reach the lost world, just a fraction.

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So sometimes you just got to poke the sleeping giant a little bit. Yeah. And the church is a giant of a populace that just does not do it.

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Yeah. And so we don't want to be condemning in that. All we want to do is come alongside and say, hey, we're doing it and we want to teach the church, not taking the place of the local church, but coming alongside of it.

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Yeah. I know. I hope that my prayer is that with this whole podcast, whether we're doing it, this is our last episode, or we do it for 50 more years,

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I hope people just walk away knowing that because they have the Holy Spirit living in them.

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I mean, really, this podcast is for Christians. I hope unbelievers will listen to it and hear the gospel, and that would be amazing.

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But really the purpose of this podcast is for Christians just to simply encourage you to share your faith, to tell you that the

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Holy Spirit is dwelling in you and you can share the faith and you can be a faithful Christian in your everyday walk, whether you're a mom, dad, just being faithful and telling people about Jesus.

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Right. And we're no superstars. That's for sure. Just regular

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Jesus -loving husbands. Well, I'm the only husband. Juan's a husband.

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I'm not. But I mean, that's the way we exponentially get the gospel out is just the everyday ordinary

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Christian filled with the Holy Spirit, knows the gospel, and is in the marketplace.

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It's connecting with their sphere of influence because I think back in the day, and I think we do this to our fault is we can idolize or celebritize certain

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Christian people like Billy Graham. And I'm not going to take away from all the good that God did through him, but it's almost like, oh man, if I can't be to Billy Graham, or Billy Graham, he's the one evangelizing, or my pastor is the one evangelizing.

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And so what we do is we abdicate our duty as Christians to evangelize thinking that somebody else is going to do the job.

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When in the early church, it says they all went proclaiming. So the example of that early church was getting into the culture, preaching the gospel, getting beat up, flogged, stoned, coming back to the community of God's people, getting bandaged up and going right back out.

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I mean, Paul literally did that. I can't remember if he was going into which city it was.

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It starts with an S. But he went in and he just got stoned, and he got pulled out of the city, and he was about to go back in.

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His disciples were like, you're going to die. But you see his heart was, I'm going back into the battle, even though I just got rocks chucked at my head.

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Yeah, and they counted it as joy. They counted it as joy. But that is the biblical model, and that's what we want to try to capture.

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Right. It's not only God uses us as the means of salvation via the gospel, but it also just the joy that God brings in faithfulness.

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Obviously, it's hard, and there's times where there's heartbreak and all that.

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But the joy that you get just from being able to share the gospel with somebody and reflecting on what

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God has done in your life and the power and the strength and the wisdom he gives you in that moment and the words just to share, even if you never know what happens with that person, maybe on the other side of eternity, but God gives you joy and a camaraderie with other people that are faithfully doing it.

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Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, you said that they counted it all joy. We've got a lot of ways to grow as a church.

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Can you imagine going out, people are hostile to you, wanting to kill you? I think this is

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Acts 5, and it says that they just got beat up, and they said they considered it trophies to do.

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That's what we want to realize. Somebody once said the problem with today's pastors, and I guess you could say

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Christian men, is nobody wants to kill us anymore. Yeah, yeah. Well, people can want to kill us for the wrong reason.

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Yeah, just for being a jerk. Just for being a jerk. Peter says, don't suffer as an unbeliever just because you're a jerk and you deserve it.

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Right. But they should want to kill us because we, like Jesus says, you hate me because I tell you that your deeds are evil.

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Yeah. He's proclaiming the truth. Right. So, okay, let's get in. I want to bring Juana into this discussion, but before we do it.

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You go ahead first, and then let me say something before. Just, yeah, go ahead. Okay, cool.

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So please go there and become an All Access member. Yeah, and we got ReformCon coming up. That's October 27th through the 30th.

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So make sure you plan and get your tickets and all that. But you can go to ReformCon .org

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to check that out. And what I wanted to say was, I think that we're going to have some unbelievers on this show.

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So what I would like to do is actually just share the gospel. Because I feel like once we get into it, we'll probably some unbelievers are going to drop off because they're going to be like,

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I don't want to hear this. Maybe, hopefully they'll listen to the whole thing. So, hey, Juan, you want to share the gospel and then we'll get going?

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Because, you know, really, that's the most important thing. If we say nothing else. Absolutely. It would be an honor to share the gospel to any unbeliever at any time.

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And my understanding of the gospel is as described in 1 Corinthians 15, which says that Jesus Christ was crucified on the cross, rose again on the third day, overcoming death, first appearing to secrets and then to the other apostles.

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And Paul says, if you believe this message, then you can be saved. Actually, he said you believe this message and therefore you were saved.

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And that was his message to the church in Corinth. And so to any unbeliever watching this, I pray that you believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins to all who believe.

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And I pray that you repent and put your faith in Jesus Christ today. The Bible says that today can be the day of your salvation.

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But very, very similarly, if you do not believe, there is eternal damnation for your soul. And we do not want anyone to go to hell.

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And that's why we preach to you guys the good news. Amen. Awesome. Because the Bible says we're unashamed of the gospel because it's the power of God.

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So we can come up here and quack about, you know, everything from right to left.

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But it's the power of the gospel to simply explain with passion and a loving heart. Like Juan just exemplified that saves people.

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So as you listen to us, and I'm sure there's going to be maybe the word homosexual, homosexuality in the title, which will bring people in.

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But we say these things because we truly love you. We know in our sin, we don't see it as love.

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But you got to understand from our biblical worldview, we're doing our best to give you the message that can save you from the penalty of your sins, eternal separation from God.

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You know, I think about Revelation 21 a lot on that great day of judgment and people separated from God and the horror of that.

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It's just, I can't comprehend it. So that should motivate us to love our neighbor enough to share the gospel.

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Right. Right. Amen. Why don't you introduce our guest? Okay. This is Juan Riasco and he is our friend and brother.

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And if you missed the episode that he was on about his restaurant,

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Nini's Deli, I really recommend you go back and check that out and watch the documentary.

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What was it called? Now I'm drawing a blank. Paint the Wall Black. Paint the Wall Black. I'm sorry. How could I forget that?

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But it was super just inspiring, really, just to see Juan and his family and his friends.

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It just come up against so much hatred and how they responded in love and just boldness.

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And it really is. It's an encouraging, it's an encouraging documentary.

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So go check that out. And he's going to give us kind of an overview of what's been going on in his life.

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So I think the last time we talked to you at the end of that episode, you were going to Texas and you were going to help with the church plant.

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So kind of bring us up from that point or wherever you want to start. Just tell us what's going on with you.

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Yeah, absolutely. Video and audio.

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Okay, we're going to take just a quick break and then we'll start from right where we were.

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Certainly. I think you did that last time.

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Yeah. I think you did it. Guys, I love,

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I'm so grateful that you asked me to share the gospel. Oh, yeah. For real, I've been like practicing my like gospel elevator pitch.

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Because I feel like if you ask many Christians, how do you, what is the gospel? They stumble.

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For sure. Yeah. I don't know.

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Do I? So maybe we have to cut in the visual later. Yeah, let's do that.

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Okay. Just send me the link. Okay, will do. I can do that right now so I don't forget.

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I'll probably clap, Gabe, and then start from there. All right. I'm already here, so you can do it whenever.

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Okay, cool. Hold on, let me just send this real quick. There, done.

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Okay. All right. So last time we talked to you at the end of the episode, you were going down to Texas and you were going to start a church plant.

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So just bring us kind of through that and what God has done in the restaurant, what's happened in your life. Absolutely, man.

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Thank you again for having me and for the awesome introduction. Just like you said,

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Brother Zach, before I update you, I feel just like you guys, man. My goal is to finish the race

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Christ gave me and to just be a normal Christian. And so it's awesome to hear you say that because that's really how

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I explain it. I'm just a normal Christian. Right. And that's by the grace of God. So update on my life is last time we spoke,

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I was full throttle going into the church plant that the Lord had launched us out to be a part of in Dallas after we received the pushback and the flare ups in Chicago.

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And by the grace of God, the church plant is going awesome. They're doing amazing. My older brother is still out there. He just got an amazing new job as a physical education teacher.

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So he's super excited about that, which is the work he was doing here in Chicago. Our pastor, Pastor Jared Walker, is preaching the gospel in the streets once, at least once, twice a week, making disciples.

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I mean, they're just doing amazing work for Jesus. And like you said, we have the documentary Paint the Wall Black. And since that came out, by the grace of God, so much more and more support has been coming.

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It just seems like every day the Lord makes another miracle happen in my life, honestly.

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And we received so much support from that documentary that we really felt encouraged to go back to Nene's and reopen.

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So I was in part of the church plant in Dallas for about 11 months.

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And by the 12th month, we just really felt a spurring from the Holy Spirit to go back to Chicago and reopen

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Nene's. So exactly 13 months after Nene's was closed, I moved back to Chicago, left the church plant in good terms, transferred to our church back into Chicago, also in good terms, and relaunched our business,

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Nene's Deli. And so next month will be one whole year of being open again for the glory of God back in Chicago.

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Same location, same everything. That's awesome. Wow. So we went back into the lion's den.

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I remember you announced that on social media. I'm like, oh, wow, this is something. Did you hear the craziness that transpired after that?

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Yeah, that's what we want to get into. So what was the reception from the community? So, you know, it's hard to say who's really from the community, but I can tell you the digital community, at least, the response was disgusting.

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They went right back to, you know, saying they were going to kill me, kill my family.

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Hundreds and hundreds of comments and social media posts calling me a bigot, saying I'm not wanted in Chicago.

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And, you know, it just came right, it circulated all back around. If you see the documentary, just everything digitally transpired again.

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And you know what, Brother Zach, like you mentioned in Paul, when he wanted to go right back into the city and his disciples were like, nah, bro,

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I don't know. I'm not tick for tack calling myself Paul by any means, but I'm just saying similarly.

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Similarly, I saw that pushback as, you know, this is definitely where God wants me.

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That's awesome. We were watching it. I think we even talked about it. I'm like, did you see that he's going back?

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And we were kind of like, oh, like scared for you, like praise God, happy for you and excited.

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But also just, you know, they were intimidating. Not that we have to be afraid of anything, but it was intense.

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People say they're going to kill you, you start thinking about your life and your family and all those are valid thoughts.

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So you said it was kind of a digital attack. Have things normalized since then?

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Or was it like a big burst and then now things are getting back to kind of normal? Yeah, it's kind of interesting. I've definitely learned to just live with digital pushback.

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You know, it's like just something that happens to me almost every day. Someone makes fun of the fact that I came out of a life of homosexuality, you know, into a life with Christ.

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Somebody makes fun of me as I'm walking on the street. They'll, you know, cuss me out from a car and things like this.

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And like I said, bro, but, you know, for the most part, 99 % of my day is normal. It'll be one random flare up.

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But like I said earlier, bro, all those things just continue to affirm the fact that I know

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I am exactly where the Lord has called me. And I see these things as blessings, bro.

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I literally rejoice just like you mentioned in Acts 5. I rejoice whenever somebody cusses me out from their car, flicks me off, video records me, you know, when

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I'm just like by myself doing nothing. You know, I count it all as joy. Praise God.

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That's awesome. So how has it affected just the overall business? Are people, are you doing well there?

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Are people buying food or have they tried to attack you there? No, well, that's the funny thing is all the attacks happen with people who are on the go.

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They're always trying to make fun of me as they drive and things like this. And I always, you know, I think of Philippians where it says to man up, you know, so I will literally tell people, man up, bro, get out the car, let's have a conversation.

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You know, I'm right here. You want to yell at me. I'm happy to talk. You know, I actually was preaching one time downtown during the winter and there was a young man and I was preaching to him.

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I said, man, repent for your sins, put your faith in Jesus. And he said, I protested her business. And I said, man, praise

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God. I'm right here right now. You know, and it was such a joy to see him because he was so disarmed because he was used to protesting with hundreds of people and then didn't want to have a conversation.

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But are people getting food? Yes. The business is snowballing into more and more success every day.

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And God is really growing us. Oh, praise God. Well, all of your food pictures look delicious. And I still want us to go visit.

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I know. One day, Lord willing, we'll come out and visit you and be able to enjoy your delicious food.

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Right. Yeah. You've got our good friends. The Storms have been by. Jason Storms. Oh, yeah.

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Well, well, because I love him so much. Yeah. Because Jason's running Operation Save America with her and the other guys.

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Yeah. We love them. It's great to see them come out. I think Mr. Truella Metro has been out there to see you as well.

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Dude. Yeah. They show us so much love, bro. We're so blessed by that good people. All right. So we are making our way through Pride Month.

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Yeah. Yeah. And it's always something. Right. The pictures that you see, they're being of the the pride parades and festivals and the children.

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They're seeing the costumes. Yeah. And those. Yikes. Yeah. It's and it's

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I don't know if it's just me noticing it more, but it just seems like it's more and more like this year.

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You're you're hard pressed to go into any business that doesn't have something, you know, some sort of flag or some sort of representation.

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I go to like I was going to this cycling studio to exercise is right down the street from my house.

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And I wasn't surprised when I had first walked in and there was like some, you know, decorations or whatever.

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And I'm like, OK. And then I go in. It's like a room that you just like one room you go in and there's a bunch of bicycles and you bicycle for 45 minutes and then you leave.

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I go in there and I'm not kidding. It was like a shrine. It was like a huge flag.

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And then all these little flags, right. And then candles underneath. So I get on the bike and I'm like start to do it.

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And I'm like, I can't even finish because I seriously feel like I'm looking at a shrine. So I got up and left.

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And the whole time I'm thinking, like, where's the line? Where where do you do?

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We just not patron patronize any of these businesses that are representing.

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Like for me personally, there's a difference of like, OK, I've got a sticker here or like we went to a restaurant last night and it said everybody's welcome.

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And it had all these different things on there. And so I'm like, good. I'm glad you welcome everybody into your bar.

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And, you know, or whatever. It was a restaurant bar. And anyways, that's why

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I want to ask you guys is like, what's the line? What do you think? For me, when I was at that cycling class, it just felt like too much for me.

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I'm like, I feel like I'm looking at a shrine of like Gabriel. It was super weird.

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But I have gone to other stores that just have little decorations and stuff. But it's just everything.

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You're hard pressed to find any company that's not representing right now. Amazon, Disney Plus, Netflix, Target, Amazon.

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They all Starbucks. Yeah. So what do you think, Juan? Like, where do you stand when people say, hey, as a

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Christian, what do you do when you know that these companies are, you know, supporting this type of behavior or movement?

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How do you kind of parse that out? And that's a great question. I actually get asked that question a lot.

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And I feel like some people are a bit not too stoked on my response.

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And I'll tell you why. Because I really believe in the freedom that I have in Christ to live the life, to live a life that doesn't have condemnation attached to it.

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And so because of that, I understand that for me to patronize businesses that purely align word for word with my worldview, then

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I would be stuck at eating at my own restaurant every day of my life, which would be awesome, but would probably not be great for my waistline, which

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I'm working on. So I say that because Sister Desi, as you know, obviously, we see you have a

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Starbucks cup in your hand. I was just going to say that. But like I go to Starbucks once a week, probably.

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My wife is pregnant with baby number three. Oh, congrats. That's awesome. Thank you.

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We're super excited. And she craves a Starbucks double smoked bacon sandwich. And so what it comes down to is

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I think that each person should live according to their own personal convictions and then not make that a law for somebody else to follow.

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Now, if a business says you must put on this rainbow flag to enter, then yeah,

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I think every Christian who's ever opened up their Bible should know that that would be ridiculous and probably not within our father's will.

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But yeah, I really believe that you should do things according to the conviction the Holy Spirit gives you and probably consider not projecting that onto other

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Christians who maybe don't have a similar conviction. But yeah, that's really where I come down to.

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Just because, like I said, if we were to really excommunicate every single business here, I'll give you an example.

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One time I took a selfie and I said, here I am posing with the only person who

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I shared the same exact theology with. Yourself and myself. And so that's kind of where I stand.

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That's great, man. I think that's a really, really great. And I follow along the same lines. I mean, if we're really going to follow it out to its logical conclusion and be consistent, not with only the supporting of homosexual activity, but then in general, where are you going to go buy food?

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You just have to close your eyes. And I'll become Amish. Yeah, become

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Amish, grow your own garden. You're taking yourself out of the world is what you're doing.

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And I think you're putting a bushel over the light that God's given you to be a light inside of those places that we need to be lights out where the lost are.

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Yeah, that's true. I would just say for my experience, like I said, I went to Starbucks.

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I go to other places, Amazon, you know. But in that moment, I felt just broken over the fact that people are going to be going to hell for this.

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And not just that, but any, any sin, any sin. That's not if they've not haven't repented and put their faith in Christ.

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We know where they're going. And so for me to be in this room where it looks like there's this shrine celebrating what's going to ultimately send people to hell forever.

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I was like, I don't I don't want to stare at this because it breaks my heart to know what's in store for them.

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So I don't even want to have the appearance of celebrating this, this sin that's going to ultimately separate someone from God if they don't turn to Christ before it's too late.

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So it's good. Good stuff. Okay. So what we want to talk about and you know, you can get into it as far as you want brother, but how do we, somebody walks up to you and says, brother, how do we really effectively evangelize the homosexual community?

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How are you going to play that out? Absolutely. Thank you for asking that. So I want to start with a statistic that I once heard in Bible college and it said that 2 % of Christians have led a sinner to the

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Lord. And that's not necessarily saying pray the sinner's prayer, but that means effectively by the grace of God, evangelized a sinner to the point where they wanted to repent and put their faith in Christ, which we know is ultimately only by the grace of God, that a person can do that.

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But God, God's grace by God's grace, he can use us to lead someone there. I hope I nuanced that correctly.

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And so 2 % of Christians have ever done that. And so oftentimes when I get this question and I say oftentimes, cause you two do not fall into this category, but I get this question from people who have never even evangelized period and have never actually knocked on their neighbor's door, shared the gospel with them or walked around their community, et cetera.

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And so I think the better question is not how do we evangelize one specific group of sinners rather, how do we effectively evangelize period?

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Because 98 % of the church does from the Barna statistic that I once heard is actually not leading people to Christ at all.

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And so I think the problem becomes is that a lot of times we as the body of Christ can look at a specific sin and, and try to curate a specific gospel for this sin as if it is not the one gospel that saves all centers.

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And so I think there is nuance to be to be said when it comes to same sex attraction and how

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God deals, how I believe God deals with that. And I think we should definitely talk about that. But when it comes to how does a

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Christian evangelize the homosexual community very simply by saying what

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Jesus said, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. And what Paul said in first Corinthians six, nine, that nor drunk, no drunkards, no slanders, nor men who sleep with men will ever inherit the kingdom of God.

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And then Paul book ends his statement by saying, and I and we were once these things.

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So were we once, I believe is how he says it. And the point is, is that friends, the way that we evangelize homosexuals is the same way we evangelize drunkards.

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Paul puts it in the same category and we call out their sin and let them know that they are centers in need of a savior.

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And then we don't do that to ostracize them, but rather like Paul says, when he says we were once these things, we see

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Paul doing this as a way of relating to the center and not saying that he's so far removed from sin.

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He said, I was once these things, church and corn. So today repent and believe. So I believe the way to effectively evangelize homosexuals is by simply evangelizing homosexuals and sharing with them the gospel.

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That's awesome. Good. Okay. I want to just, the things that I've heard from, from, from homosexuals and just kind of bounce them off you to get your, to get your answer.

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And then I'll go into a couple of things and maybe ask you where, where Christians kind of go wrong evangelizing them.

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I think ultimately it's, you go wrong evangelizing homosexuals by not evangelizing them, right?

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That's it. But what if you're talking to a homosexual and you're speaking the truth in love and he's just like, you know what?

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I love Jesus and I know he died for my sins, but I think it's completely okay.

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I think he created me this way. I have this attraction towards men and it brings me great joy and fulfillment.

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And I appreciate you being out here, but I think God actually created me this way and this is good for me.

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Hmm, bro. There's so many different ways to approach that. So I think one way we can approach it is from an emotional standpoint.

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So let's attack their emotions. Okay. And when they say, this is what is, you know,

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I have this attraction towards men. So we want to make something clear to the homosexual and in general, you know, for any born again lover of the

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Lord who sees this same sex attraction, how should we talk about this, this emotion that they have?

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Let me ask, let me start by asking you two a question. Have you friends ever seen a drunkard come to Christ?

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Yes. Amen. Does that drunkard, once he repents for his sins, will he still possibly have a desire to get drunk?

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Yes. Certainly. But do you still call this brother in the Lord, this dear brother in the

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Lord, do you call him a drunkard still? No, no, of course not. Why? Cause he's been born again. That's right.

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He's been made a new creation. And so we need to explain to the homosexual that they are not their emotions.

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Even further, they're not their desires. They are in Christ a new creation.

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And so they are not their same sex attraction. The Bible says in first Corinthians 10, 13, that 10, 13, that no temptation has ever overtaken you except what is common for mankind.

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And God is faithful. Hallelujah. He will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear.

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So homosexual who comes to Christ, who feels tempted to be a go back into those homosexual ways is no different than the drunkard who comes to Christ and feels tempted to go back to his drunkard ways.

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We are no longer in Christ a product of our wicked desires, but now we're a product of Christ's blood.

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And so I think it's good that Christians make that clear. Hey man, you can get born again today by the grace of God.

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If you're a patent, believe you may have a temptation, but you are not a product of your temptations.

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And that's what Christ promises us. He doesn't promise us a life free of all temptations though.

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We should pray that way, but he promises us a victory over our temptations.

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Right? And that's one way that I approach it. I address that. I say you are no longer simply like animalistically responding to your temptations and desires.

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Now you are a born again, child of God. So that's one way that I hit it. That's excellent. Yeah. And we're no longer slaves to sin.

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That's good. I mean, these are, this is what you hear on the street, right? Constantly. Oh yeah. These are, this is dude, this is every day in the street.

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Yeah, exactly. And then you have the whole progressive church movement. That's really exploding throughout the nation, the world, which is predominantly the banner is homosexual affirming, right?

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So it's, you know, you can continue on in this type of behavior. God's completely cool with that.

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What's the problem with that? Yeah. So, so this is the, the progressive Christian movement is definitely an enemy of the cross and the way that I explain it to progressive

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Christians on the streets or Christians that actually come from decent churches, but are afraid to denounce sin.

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I show them that they are actually in the streets. Like I just met a gentleman in the streets literally last week.

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It was kind of on this, like, man, I don't like the way you guys talk about homosexuality. And I said, bro, look, man, you might not like our method, but I pray in the name of Jesus that you would like our message.

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You see, because our message is rooted in the Bible. And so if you don't like our message, you actually don't like God because we are sharing with you a message that's found in the scriptures.

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And so the way I like to tell progressive Christians is your understanding of Christ and of how

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Christians should be living in today's society needs to be rooted in the word.

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If not, you're not a Christian, my friend, you're, you're, you're just, you have made a

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God in your own image, like Romans one talks about. And so I always try to bring them back to the word. They can try to get emotional.

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They could say, I don't like your method. And I say, bro, you know what? To hell with my method. Then I am the worst preacher.

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I am simply trying to be a faithful preacher and faithful to his word so that I bring them back to scripture.

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And then if they deny that, I'm like, my friend, you just have to admit you're not a Christian. Yeah. So how dare you judge me?

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You can't see my heart. How dare you judge me and, and ask me to question my salvation.

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What do you think? Right. Right. And so I always bring them back to, to the scriptures where they read that do not judge, do not judge.

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And I say, my friend, read the following verse, those verses about not judging talk about not judging hypocritically.

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The scriptures do not say purely do not judge isolated by itself.

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Almost every time it's do not judge hypocritically. And then the scriptures actually say the man with the spirit judges all things.

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And so when you bring to them that verse, it really blows their brain because they've never seen it.

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And so I say, my friend, the scriptures are telling us not to judge hypocritically. I'm not a hypocrite. I've been born again by the grace of God.

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You would be judging hypocritically actually, because you're not even reading the Bible fully. Yeah. Yeah.

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I like to tell them, bro, I'm like, bro, read the next sentence. That's good. Cause you've probably heard the judge thing a trillion times now.

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Yeah. We're up to a trillion. Yeah. But it gets better every time. Right. And Paul even said in second

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Corinthians 13, five and examine yourself to see if you're in the faith, lest you fail the test. So he's actually telling people,

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Hey, you know, you really need to understand the difference between a profession of facts and what genuine faith actually is.

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Cause with faith without works is dead. You can't have faith that continues on in the sin.

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And like Washer says, genuine faith is a by -product of you're continuing to love the things that God loves and hate the things that God hates.

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And sin in itself is something that he, he hates. Right. So that's good. Some of our hardest discussions we've had is having to go to professing

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Christians in love as lovingly as we can and say, Hey, the fruit from the tree of your life is not really exemplifying what it really means to be regenerate or born again.

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Let's talk about it. But that's just a discussion that you got to have with people because we don't want, you know, talking about revelation 21, it's going to be a fearful thing when actually

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Matthew chapter seven, right? Lord, Lord, did we not do all these works in your name? And he says, depart from me for,

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I never knew you. So that's a, that's people that are deceived in their salvation. And that's when,

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I mean, that's the whole entire progressive movement, right? Oh, you're good. You're fine. You're going to be with the Lord. Your eternal life is secure.

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You just go ahead and continue on in your sin. What a great wickedness they're doing to that, those people. Yeah, absolutely.

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I was just going to add one thing I've said in response to what you were just talking about Juan and Zach of, you know, but homosexuality affirming, getting into the church and Christians response of, you know,

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I just want to meet them where they're at. I actually just spoke to a pastor that said, I just want to meet them where they're at, you know, and then maybe eventually down the line talk to him more about sin and all that.

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And other Christians saying like, I, you know, I think there's God has bigger fish to fry than two people that love each other.

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So there's the redefinition of what God's standard for love is and who that should be between. But one response that I found that kind of opens their eyes a little bit.

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And for me too, because I struggled with this when I was first saved of, you know, who am

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I to judge? I'll never tell somebody that's wrong. They were born that way and blah, you know, and, but what made me think about it was, can you imagine, say

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I went into that cycling class and there was some flag that represented adultery month, like I'd be like, what in the heck?

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Or pedophilia month. Yeah. Or destructive. What does that mean? That means not only that person's going to be separated from God for eternity if they don't repent and turn to Christ, but also it's going to destroy the lives and hurt the people around them.

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So it destroys the family unit. So I think just addressing that, like, okay, so what, how about adultery then?

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Are you affirming of adultery then? Are you going to judge somebody that's an adulterer?

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One Christian friend said to me, like, so am I not allowed to have, you know, my gay friends come over for dinner?

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I was like, sure. You should have them come over for dinner, but you should also lovingly tell them to repent and turn from their sins.

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Just like if you can, what if they said, what? So you're telling me I can't have my friend that's in an adulterous relationship over?

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Sure you can, but you should probably tell them, not you should, you should definitely tell them that what they're doing is wrong and destructive and they need to repent and turn to Christ.

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Yeah. Lovingly confront them. Yeah. It's sexual immorality. Fornicators need to be told the same thing.

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So. Absolutely. Yeah. It's good. Yeah. I think about, can I chime in for a second?

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Yeah, of course. Something I think about a lot is when we, when we put relationships over the gospel,

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I mean, there's just so many ways to explain how that's wrong. But a big one that you hear sister, like you mentioned is that, well, maybe

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I'll get to the gospel once I meet them where they're at. Yeah. The Bible says in Proverbs to not boast about tomorrow, my friend, you're acting like, you know, tomorrow's going to come.

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Right. What if you do not get that opportunity to share the gospel with them? I mean, I know the promises to Ezekiel are different, are might not be specifically for us, you know, but.

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God told Ezekiel, if you don't warn people, their blood is on your hands. I mean, we don't know if we're going to see people tomorrow.

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See, I fell short. I fell victim to that mindset for many years. And truth be told, I never got to the gospel with so many people who

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I told myself, man, I'm good. I just want to love them. I'm just going to, I'm just going to love them to Christ. You know?

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When we do that, we're actually saying we're better than Christ because. Christ's method to winning people to him was going town to town to preach.

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Like he says in Mark one, let's go town to town to neighboring cities. So I can preach the gospel. Right. I mean, we're not better than Christ.

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It's that sense of urgency. I guess there's a story. I don't know if you guys have heard of it when the Titanic went down.

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Do you guys hear about the Christian preacher that was swimming, swimming through the water as, as long as he could going from person to person and sharing the gospel until he went to be with the

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Lord. That's a picture, right? Of how we need to share the faith because those people didn't have tomorrow.

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I mean, a lot of those people didn't have an hour because of, they were so hyperthermic so quickly.

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What a picture of him just spending the last moments of his life, sharing the gospel, those people bobbing up and down about to die.

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That's what we're really dealing with. Right. That's powerful. Yeah, it is. We're going to go ahead and look at a video in a second by Ray comfort.

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He evangelizes to men that are homosexual and we'll break that down.

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Before we do that, where can we, where do we mess up? Okay.

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So we get, we get out there and we're saying I'm going to evangelize and that's good.

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Like you said, Hey, go out, do it, take the first step, get into the discussion. But where do you see Christians kind of messing up?

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Yeah. I think sometimes we share an off balanced gospel. When we talk about just how much,

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I guess it's really no gospel at all, but an off balance message of Christ. And when we, when we go out to preach, which again,

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I'm thankful that any Christian leaves the four walls of the church and honors the four walls of the church as well, but leaves the four walls of the church and then simply says,

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Jesus loves you. I think that is a big blunder that we can fall short of.

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Jesus loves you. Jesus loves you. Jesus certainly loves his people and Jesus certainly desires.

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The Bible says he takes no joy and people perishing going to hell. And so we know that there is a desire of our Lord to see people saved.

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But if we simply say Jesus loves the homosexual, we don't say loves them enough to want them to repent and put their faith in him.

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I think that would be an off balanced presentation of Christ. Awesome. So that's great.

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That's great. And, um, you know, just growing up, what do we use?

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You know, we use, um, homosexual slurs right against each other. And so just growing up for me,

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I think what it did is it made me really hateful towards the homosexual community, um, because you're kind of wired that way.

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You're called a name and it means you're like the worst type of person. And so now this type of people, these type of people struggling with this particular sin, um, you built a hate, a hatred up for it really.

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And not really a phobia because you're like a homophobe, like you're scared of them, but just like a hatred.

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So it's something that I've had to challenge myself and say, no, I'm, um, I shouldn't approach this person initially with disgust because I should be disgusted with my own sin for them, but I should be willing to lovingly bring the truth to the homosexual community.

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So that's where I've seen a lot of error is you'll even see it in some guys. They just, you know, they are bringing down the gavel of truth.

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They're communicating the truth, but it's not spoken in love. Um, it's really just this condemning way.

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And I really think it's based upon their hatred for these types of people. So we have to discard that. We have to jettison our hatred for the homosexual community and truly love them.

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Yeah. See, I kind of come from the opposite side of the pendulum because I was in dance and I was in theater and there was a lot of gay people that I was very close friends with and loved.

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And, uh, I still love them and kids that I grew up with, like that they were gay as kids.

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And we kind of knew that and, you know, working through what it means to really love them is telling them, yeah, you, you may have been born that way, but you need to be born again.

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I know I was born in a lot of sin and I needed to be born again. And so just me working that like man pleasing, you know,

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I love this person. So I don't want to hurt their feelings. Um, but knowing that the, the truest way

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I could love them is to tell them the truth about Jesus and who they are and who God is and give them the gospel.

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Um, that's awesome. So, okay. So you got it, you got it, uh, in front of you, the, uh,

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Ray comfort video one. Uh, not in front of me, but I can pull it up. You want me to pull it up?

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Yeah. Well, you've already seen it, I think. Yeah. I watched it earlier. It's awesome. Okay. So we're going to watch that right now.

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And then I think we see a really good picture of a master evangelist in work when it talks to commuting the gospel, communicating the gospel in love.

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So let's go ahead and listen to that. Right. So what am I supposed to do now? What do

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I do now? Can I tell you? Please. Do you think there's an afterlife? Do you think there's an afterlife?

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Yes. And what about you? I think yes. Energy transforms. You believe in God's existence? In my own way.

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I don't go to church or mass, but I think that he's here to teach us to do good. Got a question for you.

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Where do you think conscience comes from? Oh, I don't know. That's very deep for this time of the morning.

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Energy, the science. You always obey your conscience? 99 .9 % of the times, yes.

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I think it comes from God and what you believe in. That's where conscience comes from. So God gave you a conscience?

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I think so. Why? Because we're here to do something good, not to do something bad.

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Conscience can be dulled. It's like taking the batteries out of a smoke detector. It doesn't alarm you if you do that.

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And some people dull their conscience so it doesn't speak to them. Is there an objective moral standard that you can go by in life?

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I'm trying to point to the Ten Commandments. So how many commandments can you name? Don't steal, don't kill.

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No robar. I have a command in life, which is don't do what you don't want people to do to you.

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Yeah, that's the golden rule. Jesus used it in the Sermon on the Mount, which is the essence of love.

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Let's go through the commandments and see how you're going to do on Judgment Day. Can you be honest with me? I'm going to be honest. Can you?

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Do you think you're a good person? I think so. And what about you, good person? Yeah, I'm a good person.

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How many lies have you told in your life? Countless. Have you ever stolen something? Very, very few times. I was a kid.

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Have you ever used God's name in vain? That's the third commandment. Yes, very few times, but yes. Maybe, I don't remember.

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You've used it twice since I met you. Maybe, yes.

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Do you love your mum? I love her to death. And what about you, do you love your mum? Yeah, I really love her.

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So you never use your mum's name as a cuss word, that would be disrespectful. Right. But you've taken the name of the

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God that gave you a mother and used it in the place of that filth word to express disgust. That's called blasphemy, very serious in God's eyes.

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I appreciate your patience with me. I appreciate your time. Oh, thank you. Thank you for the reflection. Jesus said if you look at a woman and lust for her, you commit adultery with her in your heart.

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Have you ever looked at a woman with lust? No. When did you last look at pornography? Seven months since I met him.

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That's lust. Okay. Okay. So guys, I'm not judging you, but you've told me that you're lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterous at heart, and this is where we're going with this.

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If God judges you by those commandments on judgment day, are you going to be innocent or guilty? I think we will be judged by not only those things, but as a general of what we've done in life.

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You mean good things as well? Right. Try that in a court of law. If you've committed a serious crime, like you've robbed a bank, shot a guard, and he died, and the judge says you're guilty, and you say, yes, judge,

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I am guilty, but I want to tell you about all the good things I've done. The judge is going to say, what are you talking about? I'm not here to judge you on the good things.

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Totally, I agree. He just judges you on the crimes. That's how justice works, and exactly the same with God. On judgment day, will you be innocent or guilty of breaking those commandments?

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I think I'm going to be innocent. You'll be guilty like the rest of us. Lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterous at heart.

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Right, so what am I supposed to do now? If you're guilty, will you go to heaven or hell? If I'm guilty, I go to hell, right?

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The Bible says all liars live their part in the lake of fire. No thief, no blasphemer, no adulterer. What do

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I do now? Okay, so this is where... You're going to hell. You may think it's funny that you're going to hell, but it horrifies me.

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I love you. I care about you. I thought I was a better person. Yeah, well, the commandments show us we're not. They reflect what we are in truth.

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Right. Do you know what death actually is, according to the Bible? It's wages. Yeah. Did you know that?

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Death is wages, according to the Bible. Wages. Wages are salary. Yeah. Yeah, it says the wages of sin is death.

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In other words, God is paying you in death for your sins. Like a judge looks at a criminal that's murdered three girls.

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He says, we're going to pay you in the death sentence. This is your wages. This is what's due to you. This is what you've earned.

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And sin is so serious to a holy God that he's given you the death sentence. The soul that sins shall die.

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Nicholas, what did God do for guilty sinners so he wouldn't have to go to hell? He did something wonderful.

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Forgiveness? No. You actually know it, but you don't understand it. Shall I tell you? Please. Jesus died on the cross for the sin of the world.

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Oh, yeah, right. You know that. Right. But this will change everything for both of you if you can get a grip of this. The ten commandments are called the moral law.

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You and I broke the law. Jesus paid the fine. Right. That's what happened on that cross.

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That's why he said, it is finished. Nicholas, if you're in court and someone pays your speeding fines, a judge can legally let you go, even though you're guilty.

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Yeah. You can say, you're guilty, but someone's paid these fines. You're out of here. Yeah. Now, God can let you go.

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He can let you live forever. He can take the death sentence off you, all because Jesus paid the fine in his life's blood and then rose from the dead and defeated death.

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Right. And all you have to do to find everlasting life is repent of your sins. It's more than confession.

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It's when you actually turn from sin and trust in Jesus like you trust a parachute. Good. If you're on a plane 10 ,000 feet up, why would you put on a parachute?

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Because I'm alive. Save your life. And your motivation would be fear. Right. And that fear is your friend, not your enemy.

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It's doing good to you. It's driving you to the parachute. And, Nicholas, I've tried to put the fear of God in both of you, because the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, according to the

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Bible, and that fear is your friend, not your enemy, because it'll drive you to the foot of the cross where you can find everlasting life.

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Good. Now, do you know what repentance is? Repentance? No. Well, it's where you turn from all sin.

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It's something you continually do. I'm a Christian, and I don't lie, I don't steal, I don't fornicate,

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I don't commit adultery. It's something I don't do, because I don't want to play the hypocrite and just deceive myself.

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So you've got to be genuine in your repentance. So that means you turn from lying, stealing, fornication, blasphemy, homosexuality, anything you see in the

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Bible that God says is morally wrong. Is this making sense? Yes, but I don't agree with it 100%.

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Well, what you've got to do is just go to the Scriptures and say, God, did you really say this, that adultery and fornication and lying and stealing and homosexuality are morally wrong in your eyes?

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If He did, then turn from it, because your life is at stake. This is what the Scriptures say. Do not be deceived.

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Neither fornicators nor adulterers nor homosexuals will inherit the kingdom of God. And because I love you,

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I've got to tell you that. So think about what we talked about. I'll think about it. You'll think about it seriously?

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I'll think about it seriously. You'll think about it today? Yeah, I'll think about it. Okay. And think about it with a sense of sobriety, because you don't know when you're going to die.

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Totally. And we're talking about your life, your most precious life. All right. So he's pretty good there, huh,

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Juan? Bro, I can't believe you just asked me if Ray Comfort did pretty good.

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Incredible. It's so good. I feel like I learn something every time I listen to him. Just amazing. Okay, so let's dissect it just for a few minutes.

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Why does he do so good? I mean, what are the hallmarks of his methodology?

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Love is the motivator. It's just evident in his speech and the way that he talks to the unbelievers.

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And he's so bold. I mean, you don't really get any bolder than Ray Comfort, but he's so tenderhearted when he does it that he's able to keep the conversation going and not have it just shut down immediately.

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I really think, you know, when we are all with the Lord just worshiping, we're going to look back in history and see some of these giants of the faith that all glory to God, God gets all the honor.

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But really, I think Ray Comfort's life is going to go down in the Christian Hall of Fame with Zwinny and Polycarp and Whitefield and Knox.

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Like, he's a giant in the faith. He has really taught the layman how to evangelize. Yeah, I agree.

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Oh, I totally agree. I fully, fully concur. Cool. Okay. So any takeaways from that?

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Anything? I just love that. I think the way that he approaches it is something that we were all talking about earlier is the fact that we don't need to make a specialized gospel for the homosexual.

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It's the same gospel that saves all of us. And he does that really plainly and awesomely. And that's something

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I think we for sure got to run with, bro. It's like the message of Christ saves. Paul says homosexuality is a sin.

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God uses Paul to say homosexuality is a sin, you know, therefore it is a sin. What are you going to do about it?

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Yeah, absolutely. And I think, and I may have mentioned this before, I mean, we do well when we emulate

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Christ the best, right? Because he's the perfect example. The scriptures even tell us we should walk as he walked.

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So our Christology, our understanding of Christ and we filter our

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Christology through everything else. We really get everything right if you think about it. Hopefully that makes sense.

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So the scriptures say Jesus is full of grace and truth. A lot of Christians say, well, a lot of people are full of a lot of stuff.

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But the Christian is to be full of grace and truth because Jesus is full of grace and truth. You're like, okay, what does it mean to be a

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Christian? Well, he was full of grace and truth, then I should be. And it's this kind of balance of uncompromising truth, like non -capitulating, non -watering it down.

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This is the truth. But alongside of that, it's radical grace, right?

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I am actually being merciful, loving, and gracious. I think you see that all throughout

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Jesus's life. So many examples, like a woman at the well, right? Hey, go bring your five husbands.

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What about your five husbands? But she's like, who are you talking to me, a Samaritan? So he was gracious to her in his communication to her and approaching her, but he also didn't pull any punches as far as what she needed to hear.

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So I think with Ray, and you're talking about why he's such a giant, which he is, it's because he's really capturing a

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Christ -like bottle in his evangelism. And you see it all throughout there. He did not pull back from quoting 1

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Corinthians, and he did not pull back from saying, hey, look, this is your life. You're gonna stand before a holy judge, and he's not gonna judge you according to your standard.

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It's gonna be the standard of his law. And these guys thought that they were good until they really saw themselves through the lens of the law.

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And what does it do? It teaches them that they're not okay with the holy God. So I think that balance is what

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Ray exemplifies and is what we should fight after. Like you had talked about, Juan, you said, hey, look, you can't, one of the big mistakes is just Jesus loves you, right?

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That's part of the picture, but that's not the whole message. And you see what I mean? It's a lot of, maybe you could say grace and love there, but no truth.

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Or you got guys like we had talked about before, a lot of truth and turn or burn. You're gonna spend forever and you're gonna go perish in hell.

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Well, that's truth, but where's the grace? And so I see in him like a winsomeness too. Like we don't, we should really slow down in our gospel presentations and not, and this is hard for me to do because when you've done it so many times and you're out there preaching the gospel on the streets, you kind of get in robot mode, right?

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You've forgotten that. And it's like, I'm just kind of, I'm not really taking my time with an individual. I'm just getting the message out and going to the next.

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And there's a place for that too. But I think it's slowing down and really looking at this person as a valued image bearer of God, listening to them and getting in a conversation back and forth.

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That's the winsome aspect of it. Yeah. Something that I thought was great was that the homosexuals response, man, they did not flare up.

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They did not threaten him. And I don't want to make it seem like that's always the case when you're as awesome as Ray.

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You can be as awesome as Ray and they can want to stone you. Oh yeah, he's gotten punched. Right.

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But it is true that man, I mean, you see that these people suppress the truth about God. He literally shows them that they're sinners on their way to hell.

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And they said, I think I'm innocent. You know, that's literally them suppressing the truth. But it is awesome that they didn't stone him.

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And I think that or, you know, attack him. And I think that that's honestly can be the case for more people than more people.

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People don't realize that that can often be the case. I mean, one time we were preaching in Dallas. Actually, my older brother went out by himself and he video recorded, you know, he's talking to this dude's claim to be an atheist.

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And the guy said, what if I confess to be a Christian, but I'm secretly living this wicked life and I die, you know, and didn't get to repent.

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But I confessed I was a Christian. My brother said, man, I believe you would go to hell for that for sure. Like you're living a life of sin. The Bible says, Christians do not continue in patterns of sin.

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You wouldn't be a real Christian. And the guy literally said, thank you. Thank you for being the first Christian honest enough to tell me that I would go to hell for that.

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Wow. That's awesome. And it's on camera, bro. It really rocked me. It rocked all of us. He said, thank you.

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Wow. Right. Yeah. I can't remember who said it. I think it may be a pen and teller or just outspoken atheist.

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And an evangelist was just telling them the straight up truth. And he said, well, I don't believe what you said, but I know you believe what you said.

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And I think you wouldn't love me if you didn't tell me that message because of what you believe. And that's just it.

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Yeah. That's absolutely right. Sometimes we believe the message, but we don't act like we believe it in the way that we communicate it.

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But I think too, like just what you were talking about when you were, you know, quoting

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Matthew seven and, you know, not that we want to just be focusing on hell all the time, but really being in the word, obviously, and being reminded of the reality of hell.

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When I think about this topic, because, you know, we go into pride month and it's rainbows and, you know, here, here, here, we're celebrating something that's ultimately going to keep someone away from God and what that means for a minute.

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And I just go back to like sinners in the hands of an angry God by Edwards. And it's terrifying.

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Like it's seriously terrifying to think about that. Not only like what God has saved us from that we were there also without Jesus, we would be in that same predicament.

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But what awaits people that we love, people that we walk by at the grocery store, our neighbors, our friends, our family, should they not turn the wrath that is upon them is super terrifying to think about and hard to wrap our minds around.

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But like you said, let that be, you know, don't let that cripple us and just be afraid. Let's, you know, by the

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Holy Spirit, use that as our motivator to love them enough to open our mouth because when we're on the other side of eternity, we're never going to be like,

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Oh, I wish I wouldn't have shared the gospel with that person. Never not going to happen one time.

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But I think there'll be instances where we said, you know, I wish I would have shared the gospel with that person.

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Ultimately, we believe in the sovereignty of God. He's in control of everything. But I do think we should meditate from time to time on the reality of hell and how terrifying that day of judgment will be for those who are not covered in Christ's righteousness.

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Yeah, remember at the end of Schindler's List with Liam, he had saved all those people and that at the end he was like taking off his watch and he's like,

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I could have saved 20 Jews with this. It was just like a sober moment where he's like, I should have spent my time more wisely.

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I should have took my time and saved as many as I can. That's such a vivid picture of how we need to live saying, well, today's the day.

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And like you had said, we can't boast about tomorrow. Tomorrow's not guaranteed for us. So we should live like, how many can we rescue?

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How many can I witness to? How can I get the truth to as many as possible?

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Amen. Yeah. And if you are a homosexual or you're living in a homosexual lifestyle or you're a

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Christian who loves someone who is living that lifestyle, repent and turn to Jesus Christ for salvation.

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You don't have to be a slave to your sin. You can be set free of your sin. We were dead in our sins too and Jesus has set us free.

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And so we love you enough to tell you that. And Christian, we love you enough to tell you that if you love that person, if you really love that person, you will share the truth about them even if it costs you the relationship, even if they hate you for it and they never speak to you again, you love them by telling them the truth.

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And the truth is Jesus died for sinners and the call now is to repent and to turn from sin, not to keep doing it, not to celebrate it, not to affirm it, not to wear shirts and flags that say, hey, this sin that Jesus was brutally murdered for is okay and we should practice it and play with it.

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No, it says we should turn and put it to death.

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So, yeah. Behold all things. What does it say? We're new creations in Christ. The old has passed away.

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Behold, all things have become new. Right. Well, brother, thank you so much for coming on. We love you.

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You're such a joy. I mean, it's hard to look at that guy and not feel like happy. I know. There's just something about your face that is so encouraging.

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He has a joyful face. He has just a joyful face. I don't think I've ever seen you without a joyful face and it's just such a delight and the joy of Christ just kind of pours out of your pores.

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And we appreciate it. We appreciate what God is doing. Glory to God. We appreciate your family and the time that you spent today to come on with us.

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We do love you and we wish you all the best. Of course, we'll bring you on again and talk about something else. Yeah.

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Thank you, brother. Thank you for your time and congratulations on your new baby on the way. And please tell your wife, thank you for letting us borrow you for this time.

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And God bless you guys. Thank you so much, guys. It's an honor to be here again. God bless you guys. We'll see you later.

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Thank you. Anything you want to, any parting words? That was a heavy one. That was a good one. Yeah. I love talking to Juan because he is so joyful and he reminds me of Cal Zalstro.

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I was actually thinking about him a lot lately because we've been going through trials this year. You have been too.

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But I was just thinking about the other day of like every time a trial should come, you know, Cal, he says all the time, he says holiness unto the

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Lord. Cal Zalstro is just a faithful brother who's been at the abortion mill for decades.

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Right. Yeah. And but he's when you meet him, like I don't think I've ever met a happier Christian, a more joy filled.

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And so I just want my life, like even through trial and hardship and discouragement to just be like holiness unto the

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Lord. This is what God has ordained, like holiness unto the Lord. So I don't know.

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I was just thinking about that because Juan is so joyful and, you know, he's been through a ton in his life.

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Oh, yeah. But I just want to just encourage you if you're going through a hard time, too. I know we talked about this last time,

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I think, but just to keep going onward and upward and holiness unto the Lord. Share the gospel. Don't get intimidated by, you know, being a faithful witness during pride month.

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June belongs to God. It all belongs to the Lord. And, you know, Romans 1 16, the gospel is the power unto salvation for everyone, not just the homosexual, but for the adulterer, the slander, the gossip, the fornicator.

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All of us need the gospel. So go, go share it because it's the power of God unto salvation. Good stuff, sister.

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Thank you, brother. All right. Well, thanks so much for joining us. Love the homosexual community. Go to them with a heart full of love, speaking the truth and love, but speak the truth and love to them.

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Tell them about Jesus and what he has done to save sinners. All right. We will see you soon. Right.