Matt Slick Live: August 19, 2024

But okay, so let's see what happens.

It's Matt Slick Live. Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry found online at karm .org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers.

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Show Opening, Tech Check, and Personal Banter

Everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick, your listener, Matt Slick Live. And if you wanna give me a call on this August 19th, excuse me, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276. All right, so.

And also, if you wanna give me an email, you can send an email to info at karm .org, info at karm, C-A-R-M dot O-R-G. And just put a subject line, radio comment, radio question, and oh boy, there's a yawn, oh man, sorry about that.

And whenever I yawn like that,.

I always wonder how many people are yawning, driving or just listening later because I yawned. So anyway, I hope it's working. We had a little bit of a tech problem right before the show, like a minute before the show.

So I don't know if we're live. I assume we are because they said maybe they put a different show on because of it. So I don't know. They could tell me, let me know, that'd be fine. They might be working on something, I don't know.

We'll find out.

Anyway, so, you know, it's okay. Okay, now, oh, we are? Okay, good, everything's working, good. So now, as you guys may know, I'm just gonna talk about this a little bit. I'm an Aliens fan.

I love the movie Aliens.

I've seen it 78 times, 78. And I love all the Aliens stuff. I've always liked Aliens when I was a kid. And so last night, I went and watched the last, not the last, but the latest Aliens, Aliens Romulus.

And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it.

It's a lot of, a lot of running. That's what you get when you get Aliens. You know, running and shooting and acid for blood and screaming and oh no.

Me, I'm like, yeah, go, go for it.

So I had a good time with that. It's not as good as number two. Number two, Aliens, that was the best. I, it's gonna be hard to beat. But I think it was a little bit better than one, but maybe not, you know, I don't know.

So I'm just talking because I like Aliens. I'm saying, hey, how are you doing out there? I love that kind of stuff.

But I wanna see the movie Reagan when it comes out.

On the, I think the 20th, 28th? I don't know, something like that. Supposed to be good.

And I heard or I read something about the movie Reagan being the ads for it on Facebook didn't go through, weren't allowed to go through, or some censorship idiocy from Facebook, and they fixed it. But it just tells you that the algorithm is so liberally set that, you know, something conservative and it gets pulled.

And stuff like that.

So I heard that. And 10 p .m. movie, no, it was 10 .30. I went to the 10 .30 showing Joanne. Timestamp, man, Alien Review.

If you want, Steven, maybe I'll do,.

I do movie reviews too. And they're on, there are movie reviews on the CARM website. I only do one every now and then, but people like me doing them. I do, mine are short and sweet. Here's what it is.

This is what, I recommend you seeing it. Watch out for this. I just get to the point. I've read a lot of movie reviews on all kinds of stuff, and they go on and on.

They're really good writers.

Me?

No, I'm just quick and slick.

Just get it done.

Good movie, go see it. You know, next.

So I like that.

All right. So we have nobody waiting right now. If you wanna give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276. And let me just go in and check to see. Okay, there's this guy who keeps writing me.

Guy or girl, I don't know. And it says, I suggest you keep your articles confidential. What does that mean? I write an article for public use. And, but keep it confidential. It doesn't make any sense.

Just, I feel like I'm invading the privacy of the authors. I know this is not bad stuff, but please protect your users by use of online security. I don't want anyone being, what? You can still write your articles.

Oh, thank you.

That's very nice.

I appreciate that. It's just that the content is just expressing feelings onto, I have no idea what this person is talking about. And he signs it. I'm just being a mental health expert. Yikes.

You're enjoying.

All right.

So anyway, I got some other stuff. And let's see, let's see. Read this, but you won't. Sorry, I just love childish challenges. Read this, but you won't. So, wait a minute, if I read that, how would I know they said I wouldn't?

So, you know, this doesn't quite make sense. I just published an ebook. You might be interested. I do appreciate you denying my desire to.

Oh, man, I love this.

Denying my desire to peruse your forum. Boy, you can peruse them.

Nobody stops you.

I'm the one who said he is in something due to some very good reasons. I also understand your thoughts of me being the nasty name you called me. I didn't call him a nasty name. I haven't been on the forums on the car site for a long time.

You know that was uncalled for, but I understand and appreciate your misunderstandings.

Of who I am.

I have used pseudonyms, so I cannot be found by those who wish my death. Wow, oh, man, they already got my wife and daughters.

Oh, my goodness.

Thank you for your valuable time. Ooh, hey, how about this?

P .S., I'm already working on another book titled DismantlingKarm .org. Yes, that would be good. That would be a good book. That would be good, I like that. So, so, there you go. I gotta get that going.

I guess if someone's gonna write a book like that, I'm gonna have to check it out. I would, I'd have to check it out and see what it is.

DismantlingKarm .org, what does it mean to dismantle?

You take the website apart and, yeah, I don't know. But let's see, I'm not gonna put that up there because that's, I can't, I don't know. Anyway, let's see what else we got. Here's some questions. I found your site and have some questions about divinity.

According to your beliefs, why is Christians against new age? Why is Christians, we is against new age because it's false and it's authored by demonic forces. May Rustin Gurus claim that the human can become enlightened and reach the same level of consciousness as Jesus.

Why do you see this as being wrong?

Because Jesus is God in flesh, the creator of the universe. You can't come to that level. New age philosophy often say, look at this, can't even write properly. Oh, from Denmark, okay, I'll give him a pass.

He's from Denmark, okay. New age philosophy often say, says that humans can become divine while have a human form. What is your perspective on that? Not possible. How can humans, how come humans can never be in a level with God or Jesus?

They can never be as divine according to Christianity. Well, think about this, this is real simple stuff. You see, God created everything. So how can we be on the same level as him? Because we're the part of the creation.

Right there, we cannot. Well, I know a lot about the new way back in the 80s when it was big. I did a lot of research on it, a lot of interaction with it, new age conventions. I have a lot of material on the new age stuff.

Back in the day, when I would do a new age seminar, not afford, of course, I had this new age notebook on a three ring, three inch ring binder, okay, what I would do. I say, look at it, ladies and gentlemen, I went to new age conferences and this is the literature I collected.

And so I three hole punched it, just put it in in a random order. Whatever I had, I just put in a stack, three hole punch, put it in, three hole punch, put it in, just so I could have it. And I say, though, here's this notebook right here.

And I would say to, because Christians want to learn about it. And I'd say, I'm gonna just fan through it.

So somebody say stop.

And they'd say stop. And I just open and point my finger and start reading. And I'd say, see, see, I do it again and again. Because new age philosophy, when they write is non falsifiable. They'll say things like the divine consciousness of the ethereal third plane of the third eye.

When you get in harmonic balance with the third eye, that harmonic plane, you will achieve enlightenment. And they'll say stuff like that, for real. And it's like, well, what does it mean?

Well, I don't know, but it sounds good.

So I thought of doing this. I thought of taking a bunch of statements like ethereal plane, third eye chakra balancing, energy crystals, whatever it is, and put a couple verbs in there and some nouns, adjectives, things like that.

And then put them in a hat, mix them all up and just pull stuff out. And then make a coherent sentence out of it. Make a paragraph out of it. Just keep doing it to get a paragraph. And then, I mean, I'd never do this because people would actually believe it.

Then put it up on a pseudo new age site.

And say, what do you think of this?

And then just get the feedback from,.

Oh, that's so good, it's so wise, it makes so much sense.

And then say, I just pulled it out of a hat, literally. And see what happens. That might be a good idea.

Yeah.

Yeah, see, I entertain myself sometimes, don't I?

Yeah, maybe I got issues.

UFOs, Demonic Manifestations, and the Nephilim

Hey, let's get to Jazz from North Carolina. Jazz, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, Mr. Slick, how are you today?

Oh, fine, just having a little bit of obstreperous fun.

You know, you mentioned aliens. And I was wondering, I mean, do you have any idea of where all of these UFO, you know, reports are coming from? Or do you have some information? You know, I'd like to hear about that.

Since you brought it up, I figure you may be an expert in it.

Well, I'm not an expert, but I know a lot about it. But it's mathematically impossible for life to form any place in the entire universe. It just mathematically doesn't work. The odds against it are so incredibly high.

You get into exponential notation. You get into like the areas of a Googleplex. It's just ridiculous, it's not gonna happen. So what are these things that are alive? Well, there's actually a physical contact with them.

There's physical sight, there's smells that have occurred. People have been tortured by them, affected by them, and abducted by them. They had elements and things planted in their bodies. These aliens are interested in sexual reproduction.

They're often forced people into very painful things. And there are lots of accounts.

You're describing them as a demon.

Well, yeah, I'm gonna get to that. But there are lots of accounts. Yeah, I'll get more. There's lots of accounts all over the world of UFOs being physically touched by individuals seen on radar, seen with visually pictures taken, things like this.

There's a 1980, I think it is, in England. A United States Air Base was there. And one of the most important encounters occurred there. And that's something worth researching. But nevertheless, all right, so it turns out Christians don't get abducted.

And when even unbelievers cry out the name of Christ, this is what I've heard from Chuck Missler, who did a lot of research with some very important people, et cetera, et cetera. You can go to khouse .org, K, letter K.

Then the word house is Quintanilla House, but khouse .org. And there's books on UFOs in these documentation. So when anybody cries out the name of Jesus, the abduction seems to end quickly. There's another guy, and I forgot his name.

He's semi-bald, and he goes on TV, and he talks about UFOs, and I forgot his name. But at any rate, he teaches how to get in contact with the aliens. You go out into a darkened place, and then you empty your mind, and you do the exact same stuff that you do in the occult to contact spirits on the other side.

And then the UFOs occur. All right, now, what are they? They're either demonic manifestations, or they are the Nephilim, the Nephilim are the offspring between the fallen angels and women. And they were there before the flood.

They're wiped out in the flood. Breeding program continued after. So maybe that's what that is in the continuation.

Who knows? And hold on, because we've got a break, and we'll get right back after Tuesday, too.

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Standing Firm Against Wokeness in the Church

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on the air with Jazz as soon as Jazz is reactivated there. He might be having a little bit of an issue. I don't know what's going on, but we'll find out.

So I'm stalling, I'm waiting. Can you reactivate Jazz, number one, line one,.

Whatever it is?

And if not, we'll have to go to Herb in Raleigh next.

They're having an issue.

Then we'll get back to Jazz afterwards. Hold on, Jazz, let's get to Herb from Raleigh. Hey, Herb, welcome. You're on the air.

Hey, hey, Matt. I hope you're doing well, buddy.

By God's grace.

I gotta say, thanks to the Lord, amen. Our church, I understand, and I'm hearing for the grapevine, is gonna be facing some choices about whether to stay in our organization. I don't wanna disclose too much, you know, people listening from the church, but the home office is pushing woke.

And it's a small country church. It's a Baptist denomination. And what can we do if we go along with it? You know, it will be going against what the Bible speaks of, homosexuality and stuff like that, obviously.

But if we do do it, I mean, if we don't do it, it may affect, you know, how much allotted money we may get to keep our church, you know, going. I mean, a lot of small churches depend on that for, you know, financial to exist.

So what do churches do in a case like that when woke is knocking on your door and it's already taken my home church that I went to many years ago. It was a Baptist church. Now it's totally woke. Female preacher, everything that gets, you know.

What you need to do is get with the people there.

Who are godly.

And then you get into a prayer team. And then you get educated. And you do this and you invite others in the church to participate in this. And then you prepare to leave the church if they go woke. And if the church says that they need the money, then they're ungodly and they're not trusting Christ.

If they say, you have to go woke in order to get money from Caesar to be allowed to continue. If the state of the Baptist church allows it, then they can just take it. And politely, I can't say over the radio, but they can put it where the sun doesn't shine, okay?

And so the people of God need to stand up for the things of God. And if it means you meet in a park instead of a building, then you meet in a park on a Sunday and you have evangelism coincidentally as people hear.

You do that kind of a thing. You meet in people's homes. But you don't go woke. And we need to talk about what this is. Because there's good aspects in it, but it's also bad when it comes to the church.

Because the church is not to be practicing wokeness. It's supposed to be practicing Christianity. So wokeness is being aware of social justices and injustices, racial inequality, sexism, homophobia, and all this other kind of stuff.

Well, these are cured by following Christ. Okay, go ahead.

Yeah.

The majority of the church is against it. That's what we're so upset about. We don't want it to come. And we're just trying to decide how do we fight it, you know? It's not the church that's being forced on us.

The majority of the church needs to stand up. And say, no, we will not accept this. They need to get men and women. But men need to stand up, need to get organized. You get a list of who it is. You get some men who go there to the elders, and you say, no.

And you say to the pastor, no. And if you do this, we're gonna work to get you kicked out of here. And if it means you don't get money from the Baptist church, then fine. You raise up someone to be an elder in the church, and you start something else someplace else.

But you don't compromise the truth of God's word.

Yeah, and I think that's probably what they're gonna do. I feel sure we're not gonna give in to it. I just wanted to just get your feeling on what the other churches do when a situation like this comes along.

I don't know.

You're not.

I don't know. But I'll be glad to help you, coach you guys, and be a sounding board, theologically, if anybody wants that. Okay, that's not a problem.

All right, Matt. Well, I'll stay in touch with you on this.

Okay, the men in the church are the ones who are more responsible than the women. When Adam and Eve were in the garden, she sinned first, then he sinned. But sin entered the world through Adam. And when they both hid, the pre-incarnate Christ came to the man and said, where are you?

Men are the ones who are supposed to take the eldership lead in the church and stand for righteousness. If no man in the church wants to stand for righteousness, then you don't have any godly men there.

You have to have godly men who want to stand. And the wives need to know that the men need to stand up and that sometimes it's costly. And they need to be ready to bear the burden with the husbands of what it might mean and the difficulty that it might mean.

But this is what it is.

We're not to take the easy road when it comes to biblical truth, okay?

Yeah, well, I'm thinking that's what we're gonna do. I'm pretty sure that's what most people are feeling, but I just wanted to get your input and I sure appreciate it so much, man.

Okay, good.

Appreciate it, all right.

God bless, let me know.

All right, God bless. You okay, buddy?

Bye-bye.

All right, folks, let me go over this a little bit. Wokeness is being aware of social injustice, like particularly things like I said here, racial inequality, sexism, and homophobia. These are the, and they want pre-LGBTQ, they want equality of outcome, all kinds of things.

And some of the things are good, some of the things are bad. What we need to do is say the scriptures are supreme, the scriptures are true, and we work according to the scriptures. So everybody, racism, for example.

Christianity teaches there's only one race, the human race. And we're all made in the image of God, Genesis 1 .26. We just have different shapes, sizes, and colors. That's all. And we all need to be seen in that light.

As far as social justice goes, the more Christians are in place, true Christians, the less social injustice there is. Because a social injustice occurs when people who are unbelievers get in places of power, and they seek their own power to the detriment of others.

They cause division, they cause poverty, they cause problems so they can keep their own power. Wokeness tends to cause division, but Christianity seeks unity in Christ. Social justice is often proclaimed as a necessary innate equality of all people, because, well, hey, they just should have that.

But that's not how it is according to scripture, because even though we're all made in the image of God, we all deserve respect, there's a difference between the saved and the unsaved. And it's the saved who are in churches, and the purpose of the church is to equip the Christians, not to bring unbelievers into the church, that's not the purpose of them.

The believers who are equipped by the pastors in the churches are the ones who are supposed to be the evangelists and go out there and do that kind of a thing. And there are evangelists who are called ministerially to work in churches to equip Christians, but it's not just a job of the pastor in order to bring people in.

And don't make a church nicey-wicey so it brings unbelievers in, because then you're catering to the world, not to God's requirement and equipping of the Christians. And this is part of the problem that's occurring in the churches today.

That Christianity is to focus on the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ, a proclamation of the gospel and equipping of the Christians. That's what we're supposed to be doing, not focusing on wokeness, not focusing on homophobia, holy cow, no, homosexuality is a sin.

And you know, Islamophobia, Islam is a demonic religion, it's false. We need to stand on the truth of God's word, but we need to do it with love and with patience and with kindness, but with firmness.

And the men in the churches need to stand up and act like men. 1 Corinthians 16, 13, be strong, act like men, the Bible says, let's get all we can.

There's a break.

Hey, we'll be right back after these messages, please.

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Why Atheists Dodge the Question of Why We Exist

Hello and welcome back to the show. If you wanna give me a call, all you gotta do is dial 877 -207 -2276. Samuel from Kentucky, welcome, you're on the air.

How are you doing, sir? I hope you're having a blessed day.

I'm having a blessed day,.

Now that you've called, it's even better.

Go ahead.

I appreciate that. My question is, can be a pretty simple one, I guess. I deal with apologetics as well. And I try my best to spread the word of God to people. I've been having some interesting conversations with, of course, some atheists.

And I guess my question to you is, I guess, within your view of things, why does it seem that atheists are reluctant to have an idea with themselves in order to accept or to possibly care enough that possibly God exists?

I've had theological arguments with individuals. And most recently somebody brought up the whole puddle argument that Douglas Adams brought up. And it's like, the more and more that we choose to dig, the more and more they kind of back up.

Even with simple things such as, like, well, you exist. I'm like, well, yes. I'm like, okay, why do you exist? Like, well, I don't wanna talk about it. And I've always wanted to know, like, why do you think they're more so afraid to accepting that the possibility of the why is gonna go against their view and they still stay in their current stance?

They're chicken. They're afraid. Ah, yeah.

That's what it is.

Because if they find out there's good reasons that their atheism isn't valid or can't explain for things that are very serious, then it might mean they have to face something they don't like. Like, maybe there's a greater power than themselves.

Maybe there's an objective moral system out there that they themselves in their greatness don't produce, you know, that it produces aside from them. And that might mean they're not the great thing that they think they are.

They're chicken. They're afraid to face these things. And so they look for ways to justify their arrogance, their pride, their rebellion against God. And they try and do it intellectually. They try and do it with logic and by attacking Christian thoughts and principles.

But I can give you some pointers on how to refute those if you want. But that's what I think.

Okay.

Yeah, and a lot of the times, and I bring up a lot of sound arguments. You know, I think I've come pretty strong. You know, I think it's just more so like you said. I think it's the chicken part of it.

I think a lot of them are just pretty cowardless behind it. And it's sad, you know. I just had one today. They brought up slavery, which I think is like, I think it's a common ground for atheists a lot to try to attack the things that they subjectively find to be immoral about God.

Like you bring up slavery a lot, but you bring up Exodus 21, you know, things in this nature. And I'm like

How do you respond to them when they bring up slavery?

Oh, well, I try to bring up, you know, the understanding of the times then, you know, especially when it comes to like corporal punishment, such as, you know, the ideas of the laws of the land then when it came down to certain things, you know, how they kind of took things out of context.

I would then like refute with, like, why don't you talk about, you know, Hammurabi or, you know, or Namu or Isnuna or other things.

When I talk to atheists, they say, well, the Bible promotes slavery. It's therefore it's wrong. I'd say, well, why is slavery wrong? Tell me from your atheist perspective why it's wrong. Now, they can't say anything because if they're going to say, they're going to be inconsistent.

I'm going to point out their inconsistencies. And sometimes what I'll say is, and if you give me any answers, I'm going to show you why those answers don't work. Because you want to, what you want to do is presuppose a universality that slavery is somehow wrong, which you haven't defined what it is.

And you haven't compared this to it's a scripture to see what kinds there are and why the word slavery really isn't a good, doesn't have a good Hebrew equivalent in the Old Testament. But I say, why is it wrong?

And they'll say, well, it's wrong to enslave another person. Why is it wrong to enslave another person? Now, as a Christian, I can answer the question, but they can't. So I say, you have to borrow from our worldview in order to argue against our worldview.

How do you justify as an atheist that slavery is wrong or murder is wrong or anything is wrong? You just don't like it. If you don't like it, then you're entitled to not like it, but it doesn't mean it's right or wrong.

So give me something more, I say, give me something more than just you.

I don't like it.

Tell me why it's wrong.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's the go-to. They try to bring in the cognitive dissidence. You know, as soon as the person says, oh, you know, I'm against slavery. Or then why do you follow a guy that's for it? And I go, well, that's not the argument.

Who says he's for it?

Who says he's for it? He permits it in the Christian context. God permits it, just like he permits murder. Doesn't mean he approves of either one. But back to the question, Mr. Atheist, why is it wrong?

Because you're assuming it's universally wrong, but you can't do that from your atheist perspective because now you're saying there's a universal moral absolute. Well, wait a minute. A universal moral is an abstract entity.

It's an abstraction. You're saying that there's a universal abstract entity out there. What must be the case in order to have a universal abstraction? A mind, can you please explain to me where you're getting this from?

Yeah, I rip them up. Because there's, arguing with atheists is like shooting fish in a barrel.

It is.

It is. I can see that. It is, it is, it is. It's, you know, and like you said, you know, permission, you know, God allowing it to happen or permitting it to happen does not mean, you know, he supports.

Yeah. Obviously, again, like you stated, many things that we can, we can do anything, obviously. Everything we can do. It doesn't matter how immoral it is. We do it. And obviously he's permitting it to happen.

There's going to be apparently an outcome to your decisions, you know, while you're still walking this planet, you know. But until then, yeah, I think that's what they ignore. Well, he lets it happen, okay.

It's a problem.

Try and be a moral, you know. Yeah, that's the problem, yeah.

It's a problem on their perspective. That's right. So what I'm doing right now is I'm putting something in CARM because I want to do this before, and I'm glad you reminded me. I'm creating a redirect so that, let me go test it, so that if you go to carm .org forward slash slavery, carm .org slavery, hit enter, and there it goes.

Oh, good.

It goes to the section I've written on slavery. Three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12.

I've written a few of these.

Okay.

Yeah.

Good. And what kind of slavery? This is the thing. And one of the things, you know, there's the second article there is why, or slavery in the Bible is not the same as a chattel slavery of America.

Right, completely different.

Oh, yeah, it was horrible.

It really was, but it's not what it was in the Bible. And I give the reason. Chattel slavery is not biblical slavery, but they don't do their homework.

Oh, yeah, and that was one of the arguments earlier. Yeah.

And I'll say to the atheists, I do this a lot. I say, why do I have to do your homework for you all the time? How come you guys don't do any research?

What do you mean?

You have the

Yeah, they really don't.

Yeah, they can't get past. I mean, I find the common conversations that I have a lot are simply, again, it's the things that anybody who would look on the surface would probably have a problem with just simply because of what's there.

But it's like, once we start to dig in depth, you don't wanna dive in. You know, you don't wanna dive in deeper as to the reasons behind why. And then everything else, you completely ignore everything that's good.

Like, let's have a good conversation. Let's have the things that the loving God that we know does exist. We don't wanna have those conversations.

Well, why not?

Why don't you have those conversations? Can you even have those conversations? Do you even know what's there? Or are you just focused on the things you're against that has made you, I guess, to be atheist, which more so, again, I find it also funny that, you know, again, it's, you know, the whole idea of atheism is simply not, you know, you don't believe a God exists.

Your reasonings behind why you're against God doesn't mean that he doesn't exist. You know, you can obviously disprove of God and still acknowledge that he's there, but obviously you're not that way. But these are the arguments that you're making because you rather waste your time to, in your mind, argue about something that's imaginary to you simply because you disagree with what you find to be, you know, true or the way that you've twisted them in whatever case might be.