October 19, 2018 Show with Alfonzo Rachel on “How a Pro-Choice Advocate Came to Believe in the Sanctity of Life of Unborn Children (& Behind the Scenes of the ‘Gosnell’ Film)” AND Scott Klusendorf on “Lessons to Be Learned from the ‘Gosnell’ Film”

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This is Chris Arnson, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Friday on this 19th day of October 2018. I'm so delighted to have for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Alphonso Rachel.

He prefers to be called Zo and he is an actor portraying Detective Stark in the film Gosnell. Today we are going to be addressing how a pro-choice advocate came to believe in the sanctity of life of unborn children and we're going to be discussing some behind-the-scenes stuff from the Gosnell film.

In our second portion of the program today we're going to be joined later on by Scott Klusendorf. He's an author and founder and president of Life Training Institute and he is going to be discussing lessons to be learned from the Gosnell film which he saw recently and believed had a profound impact on him and we are going to be hearing about that later on today.

But first of all it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Zo Rachel. All right! Oh I am delighted to have you here. First of all before we get into the Gosnell movie I want you to give a summary of your own background.

We usually have first-time guests who are Christian give a summary of their testimonies what kind of religious atmosphere if any they were raised in and how they came to know the Lord Jesus Christ as their God and Savior and so tell us about that.

What kind of upbringing did you have and how did you eventually come to.

Embrace Christ and his sacrifice in Calvary as your only hope for salvation? My dreams or my am I really like that is that that's just not something I and whatnot. Amen! Now did you have.

Any kind of religious upbringing? I know that just as in the the white community you have a Bible belt Christianity that very often is a Christianity in name only. You have people being raised in cultural Christianity that really has no impact on their lives and I know that that happens to be sadly the case also in the black community.

There are a lot of folks who have a high regard perhaps even more so in the black community than in the white. They have a high regard for church for showing reverence to the name of God and the Bible but there might not be anything in reality behind those words and sentiments in regard to a changed life.

So I was just curious well where you're coming from in your own personal upbringing? Indeed I was brought up.

More so like maybe at one point you have to go to church and then all of a sudden there's a lapse in going. You know really being steeped in the word of God I can't really say that I was. Kind of what just led me in there.

So let me let me look at this book let me let me see what's going on and you know I had to discover you know for myself you know because I know that you know my knucklehead I know it really took him to get me to open that book.

Amen. And for those of our.

Listeners who are not familiar with Zo he happens to be a black Christian. He is also a drummer in a band called 20 Pound Sledgehammer. Or is it just 20 Pound Sledge actually correct?

And why don't you describe that band for us? Amen. And your group. What makes it unique. And you know.

You have to forgive me I hate using terms like white and black but these are things that are unique not only in your conservative ideology in the 21st century to have somebody in the the media who is a very conservative Christian outspoken in conservative ideology who happens to be also a black brother and and even in the music genre that you have chosen to participate in as a drummer your entire band in fact are black folks who love to rock out to the harder rock and roll that is usually seen being performed by black folks.

Is that a good observation?

I think we did. Right. You know you're in where you know for the white man neither stay white man when Jesus. Amen. So it's 20 Pound Sledge.

Now are you are all the band members from the same congregation or are you from different.

Churches or how did that work out? We are we are from different but you know culturally and uh like capitalism and liberalism and from there he was like you know what I think I would rather embrace conservatism and examine.

Amen. Now uh just as you were not always a Christian.

You were not always conservative and you were not always pro-life. You were at one time a pro-choice advocate and it's actually a very sweet uh and sugar-coated way of saying that. You were pro-murder or pro-infanticide at one time.

But tell us about that. How did this transformation take place in.

Your life? You know the way of you. And who are conveniently on the outside. Is it legal? And of.

Course one of Satan's best-kept secrets is that one of the primary reasons abortion or the murder of the unborn became very popular and prevalent in the United States and other places around the world but especially the United States was because white racists wanted to eliminate blacks from the face of the earth.

And that was one of the goals of Margaret Sanger the founder of Planned Parenthood who was a racist who was a Nazi sympathizer those are not exaggerations. And she wanted to impose involuntarily involuntary sterilization on black men and women because she viewed them as nothing more than a drain on the resources of superior white people.

And it's amazing to me why conservatives don't bring that up constantly when the discussion over abortion comes up with liberals I mean even conservatives either seem to be ignorant of this fact or too embarrassed or shy or frightened or cowardly to bring it up.

But it's just the facts of history that you can easily verify doing a cursory search on the internet about Margaret Sanger.

Indeed and you know and this goes you know to those who are concerned and please don't take the language needs to be said when you take it back to the confederacy which was represented by the democrat party the confederacy when they made that flag one of the flags that they made was the stainless banner which had the confederate battle flag in it and the inspiration for the stainless banner was the heaven-ordained supremacy of this.

We already have democrat party and the democrat party control the mindset and they're doing it to this very day. Like you said with margaret sanger it's the same thing. Margaret sanger was a democrat with eugenics anti-miscegenation or being conservative side and try to say that.

Well the democrats are the conservatives back then. That's a bunch of democrats have never been conservative. Lincoln himself. Now uh tell our.

Listeners about how you got involved to participate in the filming of the movie gosnell the trial of america's biggest serial killer. Uh you play detective stark in the movie. And in fact folks i am going to be seeing it tonight.

I was intending to see it last night and for some reason the theater the only theater within a half hour drive of my home that had it listed on the internet for 7 p .m showing last night they did not have a 7 p .m showing but i've been assured they have a 7 45 showing tonight in camp hill pennsylvania so i am intending to go there.

I have not seen it yet but i know. You played detective stark. Tell us how you were invited uh to uh become a part of this project which is probably one of the most important films of the 21st century that i have heard.

Uh that's the way i've heard it described.

By some of my friends whose opinions i highly respect. Wow 13 uh the story of gosnell. So keeping those things in mind. Uh 2015 when they had gotten the funding to to do the movie. Nick you know figured you know.

Hey let me give zoe a call and see if he'd be interested in this role. Now mind you i've. He doesn't know me as being a i'm a drummer but when i do my commentary i guess you know i use some humor and i use some.

And you know he took that to be confident that i was on tour with my band at the time. 20 pounds ledge. And nick calls me up to i'm on tour with my band. He said yes. Cancel your date. I want you to do this movie.

I'm like who are you. Who do you think you are.

I'm nick cersei and you're gonna do this movie. So tell us about detective stark the uh character that you portray. Tell us about how you had to prepare to become this character uh at least to behave like this character the way that it was intended to be uh portrayed in the movie.

Well um now as far as a person that this fictitious character that is actually based on.

The true characters uh in the actual uh events uh combined uh how different of a person is.

Detective stark from you in reality. Well you know i i think um when nick come to the role.

Even though this is my well you know why don't we. Also because the media obviously has been very very quiet not only about the movie uh but they've been very quiet about the actual villain that the movie is about.

Uh dr gosnell the uh the infant murderer. Uh tell us in summary about.

Exactly what gosnell is about abortion. Doctors doctors and how did he get caught for this. He got caught not because of what he did not because of the murders that he was committing. He got caught for dealing drugs and he is spending a life sentence now because of this.

Yeah three counts of murder and i and manslaughter and the. The irony of course is that hillary clinton with a smile on her face. During the presidential race when she was debating donald trump she said with a smile on her face that she believed in late-term abortions and some of the babies that gosnell delivered uh were born at an earlier stage of development than some of the babies still in the womb that hillary clinton believes should be murdered anyway.

And of course and of course millions of other people right right never seems to want to. Let's always make people feel guilty about slavery and then be okay with this. It's totally illogical.

Now has anybody involved in the making of this film whether they are actors or behind the scenes folks. Uh has anybody come to a pro-life position that you're aware of as a result of this film.

Being made in in terms of a casting crew yes i couldn't give any names that that folks you know might know but yes that did happen. There were people who definitely yes and i know i i interviewed.

Ann mickelhenny um who is the author of the book and i believe she was a pro-choice advocate before really delving deeply into this horrific story. And uh one of the producers as well i believe gave that same testimony of 180 degree turnaround.

Uh well uh i know that. The website for this movie to find out more about it to find out where it's playing is gosnellmovie .com and that's g-o-s-n-e-l-l movie .com. If you could wrap up uh in a few minutes by summarizing what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today in regard to the gosnell movie.

Oh thank you.

Media wants people what they want them to believe. In fact could you tell us about anything that.

You're aware of of how this movie has been intentionally hidden from uh the uh the view of the public how people are not giving it the coverage that they would normally give any film.

Out in my. And i love the way you. Oh you know something i wanted to ask you before we go. Hope.

I'm not keeping you too long but uh it's to some degree it puzzled me that the movie is rated pg. Obviously christians don't necessarily want to attend or bring their children to r-rated movies but at the same time the horrific nightmarishingly disgusting and satanic subject matter of this true to life movie you would think would lend itself to an r rating.

How did this movie become packaged as a pg film. It just goes to show you move that way. That was not. Uh you know i really hope so that you come back as a guest on iron trump and zion radio in.

The future uh i think that you and i would get along great. In fact i think we already have and i think that uh i think that we have a future ahead of us of frequent conversations on radio if you are willing and if god obviously opens up the door for those interviews to occur i hope so.

And uh once again the movie uh you can find out more about the gosnell movie at gosnell movie .com. That's g-o-s-n as in nancy e-l-l movie .com. Do you have any other contact information or website information.

I love the name of your uh media company bronze serpent media. Uh tell us about that briefly and how people could get in touch with you about uh 20 pound sledge and uh anything else that they want to find out more about.

Uh. Zoe rachel. Wow thank you.

So much uh yeah like you said my my website and uh will be dropping this year. Uh i also have my.

Books there and keep in mind that uh our guest zoe spells his names differently so on facebook on facebook there's no f in alfonzo it's alonzo on facebook and uh you may find it spelled differently in different places.

But uh i am very uh thrilled about this interview and hope to have many more awaiting us. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule to be on iron trip and zion radios. Joe thank you.

Well god bless you brother. And uh we'll talk to you soon all righty. Have a good day you too. And don't go away folks because we have scott klusendorf uh coming up right after this uh message break uh he is the author and founder of the life training institute lti.

And after this station break we are going to be discussing lessons to be learned from the gosnell movie and we're also going to be learning more about life training institute and hearing more about the horrific sin of infanticide that is plaguing the world.

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We're going to be discussing lessons to be learned from the gosnell film and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio. Scott klusendorf. Good to be with you chris. I've been i owe that actually to my second oldest brother andy arnson.

Some of you know that andy uh sadly is in a nursing home after a stroke. He's paralyzed in the left side of his body. But andy was not only a phenomenal uh musician. Actually by trade for uh at least a third of his life i think.

Um but uh he also had a very wide spectrum of albums thousands of albums. And one of his great loves was modern jazz in addition to traditional jazz and larry corriel and alphonse mouzon were amongst his favorites.

And he introduced me to that music and i and i will always be grateful to him for that. But choice. But uh tell our listeners who are unfamiliar with life training institute also known as lti. Tell our.

Listeners about that humanity of the and we argue our. Yeah exactly uh people always talk about a.

Viable fetus. Well if you left a newly born baby in a room uh just for a matter of days it would surely perish. So i mean even young children need to be fed and need to be cared for uh after they're born.

So the the whole concept of justifying murdering uh pre-born.

Human beings is is not only nonsensical it's satanic. Oh absolutely. Well if you could uh tell.

Us about your own reaction to the movie. As i said earlier during our first interview with zo rachel one of the actors in the film i have not seen it. I will uh god willing be there at the 7 45 p .m showing this evening in camp hill pennsylvania to see it for the first time.

Uh tell us about how the the movie impacted you and some of the lessons we can learn from this movie. This is a.

Good film. It's however you're calling on deaf ears because people. Intellectual arguments. Shortly thereafter we see a jury that are not pro-life. Yeah and in fact um i was as you may have heard.

If you were listening before you came on uh i asked zo about the pg rating and he said that the movie was tastefully done. Well while i agree that there is a time and a place to be tasteful i also have been saying for years uh that conservative and pro-life people have to be more consistent and more loud in our voices to demand or to make happen in some way the televising of abortions.

Because people especially near election cycles uh we need to see. The public needs to see what is going on so they can vote with intelligence people. People still have this concept that these are blobs of tissue that are being removed just like an appendix might be removed from someone's body.

I mean i'm not saying that all people are that ignorant. My friend jeff durbin who is involved in abortion mill evangelism he actually says that most of the women going in for abortions know they are killing a baby.

But still you have a a large number of people in the public who i believe are still very ignorant about this. And just like we saw the films of the liberated uh death camps that the nazis uh orchestrated after uh the russian and american gis uh liberated those camps and we saw those films those films were necessary to convince the world that those things happened.

People even in germany didn't believe that those things happened.

But today we're going to go to our midway break right now this is uh the longer than normal break.

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So please keep that in mind. But send in your email if you have a question for scott klusendorf on abortion in general about the life training institute in general or even specifically on the gosnell film.

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