Augmented Reality & A.I.: The Future For Christians with Luke & Jen Richey of Gravity Jack DMW#195


Wow! This one was fun! This week Greg sat down with Luke & Jen Richey, CEO & CSO of Gravity Jack. Gravity Jack is the oldest augmented and virtual reality company in the United States. The episode kicked off with how God radically saved both of them in 2019, and they talked about building a christian company for God's Glory. They discussed how believers are to handle augmented reality, the Metaverse, and artificial intelligence. Since they are experts in the field, they also touched on the future of the tech space, and where AI and AR are going to be in 5-10 years. This was a super interesting episode. Be sure to go to their website to find out how the company was named! Enjoy! Visit Gravity Jack here: Dead Men Walking Podcast & Snarky Merch:


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United States. These guys are the CEO and the CSO of GravityJack, with us is
Luke and Jennifer Ritchie. How are you guys doing? Excellent. Oh good. And did I say the last name right?
I didn't check pre -show, but it is Ritchie, correct? You do. It's Ritchie. Yeah, so we talk a lot about tech on this podcast.
We talk a lot about where things are going in the culture, what's popular, how we can improve our lives, not only as believers, but just as people that, you know, that have community and live in the state and the country and all those things.
And it's always interesting to bring on entrepreneurs and business owners such as yourself to talk about these things because it's a crazy ride.
I'm a business owner myself. We have some listeners that are business owners. So we're going to get into all of it here today.
But first, can you introduce yourself, both of you, to the listeners? Give us a little short bio on who you are and what you're all about.
Jen, you go first. Ladies first. Sorry, I should have said who goes first. No, that's okay.
Gosh, a little bio about yourself. It's hard to sum it up, right? You sum up your life in 30 seconds. But from a personal perspective, married, a mom of four.
We actually have a granddaughter as well. We live in Washington State. God came from a small testimony, you could do a whole podcast on it, perspective.
I'm a first generation Christian. We wanted to raise our family with Christ and we tried, but it wasn't until 2019 that we learned what it really meant to know the
Lord, love the Lord, follow the Lord, all in for him. Radical transformation. God just said, enough is enough.
It's time. And he came and he grabbed us. So that was 2019. From that point forward, it's all forfeit for him.
And our company GravityJack is actually our third company together. First company was a software company, pre -mobile, so on PC, got acquired to a gaming company and GravityJack was founded in 2009 on the basis of AR.
I was originally going to be an attorney when I got swooped up into the tech space and I don't regret it for a minute.
Never a dull moment in the tech world, ever evolving. I'm sure that tech world, there's some times and instances where you can put that kind of mind that wanted to be an attorney to use, right?
There's a lot of things to argue through. Yeah. Yeah. We've got a great
IP portfolio, a patent portfolio. And so I got to be a part of that in the beginning. That's kind of what kicked our company off.
So we've got patents in the space right now that some major brands and companies are licensing. But yes, between contracting and things along those lines, an attorney mind helps.
Yeah. Luke, how about you, brother? Yeah. So I started coding when I was 14.
It was kind of an outlet for me. I loved it. I had an aptitude for it.
So I was also hacking at a very early age and this is back before encryption. So yeah, and I mean,
I really just want to talk about the Jesus component because that's where everything started to make sense in 2017, he started to just perform miracles and just kind of changing it because prior to our repentance,
I mean, I was narcissistic, didn't love people, selfish. And I was trying to do good.
Like I had this moral, relative moral standard. But yeah, he really came and got us.
We were actually getting a divorce and by the way, Jennifer is my wife. So I'm also the father of four.
That's good. It's good that those numbers match up. We were getting separate. We were separated and independently the same night we were both repenting and it was so drastic for me.
I woke up different. I woke up changed. I woke up seeing colors different and I woke up actually loving people, which was just something
I was like, I knew something had occurred because I had like something flowing out of me like that had never been there before.
And I knew we were being born again. And we lived, like Jen said, we'd gone to church. I mean, we were patriots, you know, you're
American, you've got in your guns, like that's what you do. But it was that something had transformed that actually drove a revival throughout our family what occurred with Jennifer and I drove a revival in our kids.
And I'm not talking just immediate family. I'm talking like extended family, cousins, in -laws.
Jen's brother just accepted Christ a month ago. So it's still going like this, the reverberations of this event.
And after that, we're like, I was like, oh God, I've wasted my life. Like I've learned, you know, physics and about the quanta and all this crap, computer science.
And it was clear actually we hadn't. He's been in his hands, been in everything the entire time.
And so we just said, let's give this company to God. And then what does that look like? And we'll probably get more into that, but that's where we're at.
And yeah, we started this company in 2009 on the basis of augmented reality. So that was at a point when people were saying that'll never happen in our lifetime.
We actually got laughed out of a few rooms for, you know, I guess that's too crazy.
Yeah. So, yeah, we'll get into that in a minute, but I do want to spend a little more time on the, maybe the testimony part, because, um, and you're in good company.
I grew up in church. I said, I've said many times in the podcast, I said, the sinner's prayer at seven got saved at 24.
So you, you read into that, however you want knew of God kind of had an understanding of God, but didn't have an actual heart change and a change of how
I viewed God, how I viewed people, the grace that I had been given and how I should freely give that to others until I was 24.
So I think we might be a little similar there too. And I think a lot of Christians in America, uh, maybe have that just a knowledge of, right?
I mean, geez, if you're, you're born anywhere in the Midwest or South, most places in the United States, you're going to see a
Bible here about, you know, Jesus or Christ or God, and, but there's really no true knowledge or relationship there.
Um, but let's, let's talk about testimony for a minute, because I love the bio that you guys sent over and just said radically saved 2019.
Um, how did that come about? I mean, were you seeking, and this question is for either one of you can both jump in, but were you seeking, was it something that came out of left field?
Like how did, how does that happen? Cause I love to hear stories on how the Lord saves people. Leading up to it.
So, um, we always say, especially in a marriage perspective, like love, passion, adventure, you know, we're skydiver sport, but it was never our problem.
Um, it was put your marriage first and that's going to bless your children, which is true, but nowhere in our line, the
Lord didn't have a place and he should be at the top period and end of the story. And so in,
I would say 2016, really 2017 and 18, we just became really nasty versions of ourselves.
We, we just grabbed onto the world and did, I mean, things that just grieved my heart now, you know, where just all kinds of, again, just, we grabbed onto the world and it just progressively got worse.
You know? Yeah. We had that intellectual knowledge of Christ, but even that was getting dimmer. And like Luke said before, we separated, um, on our way to a divorce for anyone who knew us before it was like, you're the power couple that you're the wife, huh?
And because you're, you're, you're never going to live in the fullness of your marriage without, I mean, I, you can't do it without the
Lord. And that separation, um, is really what was the catalyst of you, you're losing it all.
It's gone. And every, all of these things you're doing up until that point are, are nothing.
And then when that repentance, I mean, I was 37 at the time to know that I'd gone 37 years without ever really repenting.
It's kind of an icky thought, you know? And then it was just repent. Yes. I was just going to say there was miracles that occurred.
We actually had, uh, there was an orphanage that we supported. Um, and we had the pastor from that orphanage email me in 2016 and he, and this was prophetic.
And so I don't know where this podcast lands on that, but he said, you're going to, you're going to go through the school of renunciation and you're going to lose everything to gain everything.
And I was kind of like, you know, I actually think I actually verbalized a few, like, like that's not going to happen to me.
And then it just slowly started happening. I lost my health. I couldn't skydive anymore. I couldn't, uh, fight.
I couldn't ride my motorcycle, my sport bike, um, just everything started to grade to degrade.
Um, and this awesome businessman that I thought I was really, I realized, oh, uh, everything
I used to do doesn't work anymore. Um, like the spigot just got turned off. And in that process though, he was also healing things in me because I was grew up severely abused in every, in every category.
Um, and so my thinking was just broken, but there was actually miracles that occurred, both health, spiritually.
Um, and I, I won't go into all of them, but it was drastic. And like, I would have change occur, you know, each year
God was kind of doing something. And then in 2019, the last thing that happened was he just took me through my sin one night.
It wrecked me. Like I just started having memories of everything that I'd done to people, to my wife, to my kids.
And I didn't even know what to do with that. I sat on it for three days and I, and I didn't know a sinner's prayer.
I don't have anything memorized. I just was living at my mom's in her basement and she was gone in Israel on a trip.
And I just screamed out all night, help me, God, you got to help me. Like, I don't know what to do. I don't,
I don't want to be this way anymore. I don't even know what to do with what you showed me, the things I've done.
Cause he took me through everything. Like, I mean, I remember things, there was no way to remember. And, uh,
I woke up different. So, I mean, he helped me and he removed the shame. There's still remorse on some of those things, of course, but all of a sudden you're walking in this different, like you're freed.
Uh, I call it freedom slavery now. Cause every time I become a slave to him, he just frees me.
Yeah. It's, it's quite, it's quite a, uh, uh, paradox, isn't it?
When we, we read in the scriptures where it says slave to Christ and everyone goes, Oh, it's all these rules.
And you've got to find there's a freedom in laying down your will in your life. And then being a slave to Christ and his righteousness.
And I was very same. I was laying on a mattress in Detroit in, um, you know, in a loft, uh, my, my girlfriend of six years.
Now my wife of 17 years said, I no longer want anything to do with you. My band, which was signed to a major label had just been dropped.
I had no job, no money, no place to live, um, no friends, no driver's license.
And I just was laying on a mattress and sobbing going, well, maybe I still have Jesus. Do I have him? And, uh, it's a beautiful, beautiful thing.
I always tell people when you are in that Valley, when you are being refined, when you are in that, uh, place in life where it is, it feels like you can go no farther.
We don't say Christ, can you get us out of this? We go, Christ, what are you trying to teach me? How can
I learn? How can I come closer to you? Read through the Psalms, right? I'm preaching to the choir here.
David was a man that was yes, a conqueror and a warrior. He was also depressed and in despair a lot. Why have you forsaken me?
Where are you? Right? My God. And it says that God is close to the brokenhearted. And sometimes
I believe I had so much pride in my life. He goes, fine, we can do it that way. We can do it the hard way. We will break every single thing off in your life to the only thing you have is me
Christ in Christ alone. And, uh, I'll tell you what,
I'm getting goosebumps just saying it again because he's so good. Right. And we've been given so much grace. We now have to give that grace to others.
And that is through our works. We're not saved by works. We're saved by Christ alone and his righteousness through faith.
But we do those works. We want to do those things. We want to build things. We want to start companies that bless people.
Right? So let's move into that because I'm extremely excited about gravity. Jack, I'm reading the website and kind of going through and familiarizing myself with what you guys are doing.
Augmented reality, virtual reality. It's a crazy space. And you two, I was talking to generate before you jumped on Luke talking, how you guys are skydivers and thrill seekers.
And you got that adrenaline, uh, bone in your body where it's like, you know, we get, we got, we need that excitement.
Well, there's no bigger excitement in rollercoaster ride than running a business. Right. Um, so tell me about how you got into this space.
Yeah. He's laughing. You guys are both laughing. Yeah. You know, let's wake up every day and not be homeless.
Let's figure it out. Thank you so much. Truth in that. Yeah. Uh, but it's, but there's, there's something to that.
When the Lord's with you, supporting you, you're doing things for his glory and then you go, okay, let's build something. How'd you get into that space?
Cause that is a very unique space. One that's exploding, but very unique. Tell me a little bit about how you guys got into that space.
Yeah. The raw version. Yeah. Not everybody knows necessarily the raw version, but, uh, over the, we've been married 21 years.
So, you know, over the years he would, in the very beginning, he'd start to talk about tech coming out, you know, and then
I, it was kind of like, oh, okay. Yeah. Whatever it is, I'm taking care of the kids and cooking. And then a couple of years later he'd opened visual studio magazine.
Hey, remember that thing I was telling you about? Look at it right here. He'd keep doing that over and over and over. And finally I was like, oh my gosh, okay.
For the, for husbands out there, you're going to love this one. Cause I was like, he is right all the time on these things. So when in, uh, you know, 2007, eight, he starts for the context that, um, app store came out 2008.
So he starts talking to me about augmented reality, how we're not even going to need our screens are going to go away.
You're going to see things digitally, you know, up, up, uh, heads up, blah, blah, blah. And I'm thinking, we got to patent this.
And it was like many years before he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm moving on. And I'm like, no, really, we gotta, let's slow this down.
Let's meet with some attorneys and let's really dig in. And that's when I started going to the USPTO website, searching for augmented reality.
There was like two pages of results for anyone in the legal realm. That's unheard of. So we met with an attorney and we sat down and we patented the methods and techniques in order for augmented reality to be used.
And then started gravity Jack and really stayed in the field, started, you know, creating executions with all kinds of clients, department of defense of 1400 companies.
Um, and it's led up to where we're at now. We've had an R and D team running, uh, over the years at different points, um, which has led up to, you know, major project we're working on now called war tribe has been
Yaman, which is an augmented reality mobile game. Okay. And it's awesome. It's funny. God was even when we wrote the mission statement, we're like to change the world.
Right. And what we're thinking is visually we're changing the world and you just see that God was even, and I'm giving you the short form of the mission statement, but it's all about how you add digital content and it's, you know, change what people are viewing.
Um, cause literally we can change stuff that we're looking at. And, um, that's actually now, you know, obviously it was also prophetic because that's what we're moving towards, you know, a mechanism to actually change the world, take people out of poverty.
Uh, at yeah. Yeah. So just to be clear, are you guys the software side and the hardware side, just software, just one or the other?
Like what, what is the product or service that gravity Jack actually has? So we only do the software we create.
We are completely hardware platform agnostic. So we can do iOS, Android, HoloLens, the new
Apple vision pro that's coming out. Uh, and then VR side, you know, we've done vibe, Oculus, really any of the other wearables and hardware out there we can create too, but we do not do anything in the hardware space.
So our IP, our patents, our software patents around how to, how you would have to write code in order for it to work on different devices.
Yeah. Let me ask you this, and this might be a bad analogy. I'm not in the space. So, you know, say no
Greg, that's not the right analogy, but I feel like AR, um, augmented reality, virtual reality, it's still kind of in that, uh, cell phone stage of when we were just starting to get it.
Oh, look at this. It has a full keyboard. Oh, we can take this crazy windows 2000 and shrink it down into a little thing.
It was clunky and it was still kind of, it was getting there and we were headed in the right direction. But then we had kind of like an iPhone moment where iPhone came out and said,
Hey guys, we're like probably five years ahead of everyone else. And by within two years, it captured 80 % of the smartphone market.
Are we looking, is that where AR, I mean, I know there's some amazing stuff. Don't get me wrong in, in AR and virtuality, but are we waiting for that moment?
Do you think we're in maybe a hardware or something? We'll just really capture it and then take it off. Are we just going to have gradual steps for the next five or 10 years?
That's such a good question. We've literally been waiting for the hardware timeline. So in 2009, Jen sets me down.
She's like, okay, map it all out. Like what's going to come, when's it going to come? And the when part was the part that I've a hundred percent been incorrect on.
But the actual order of each thing has been a hundred percent accurate. I mean, we predicted Google Glass, we predicted the
Apple Vision Pro, like every single step that's occurred in the industry has been on the timeline that we drew back then.
The actual app, the Apple Vision Pro is transcendent for the industry itself.
Potentially even humanity for where, what it's, what it represents. That's why we were in Hong Kong in March, heard from an engineer that the
Apple Vision Pro was actually going to get announced that summer. That's when we decided to actually re -kick off our game.
Because so the patents were written around a game that we've formulated in this time that would kind of really drive augmented reality.
And so when we heard, okay, it's going to be announced, we knew that's the marker of when things are really going to get crazy.
Like you're going to see stuff you can't even imagine, especially with the convergent that's occurring right now with AI. Because AI combined with computer vision and augmented reality are going to do things that you, they're going to augment humans, not just our visual sphere, but us as people are going to be augmented in this capability that's coming.
And the Apple Vision Pro is that first marker. Full field of view, high resolution. You'll be able to put digital content into a scene and you won't really know if it's real or not until you go try to touch it.
It's going to remove the auditory. Okay. Go ahead, Jen. I was just going to say, it's important that we have that evolution though, from a tech perspective, from a user perspective, right?
Luke, myself, people in the industry, 2009, you can like, boom, I could see that coming. We could have jumped this chasm, right?
But a lot of users, they need to have this gradual exposure to the tech where, oh,
Pokemon Go, everybody talks about AR. It doesn't even really do much AR, but it got people like, that's what that is.
And then Snapchat and face filters and like little rainbow things and antlers. And then people are like, okay, that's cool.
Okay, well, wait, if I can put a rainbow or antlers here, I can put a couch in my living room and then that's value.
Oh, I want that, right? And they, so it gets them used to using it and then desiring it, which allows for things like headsets and wearables and Apple Vision Pro to be something where people go, ah, that's the next step.
And I want that thing. Yeah. So selfishly for five years, I've been waiting for, maybe
I should have been a little more proactive, but about five years ago, I've been in real estate for 15 years, um, a broker for the last 10 of those with my own agents.
And I went, boy, I would love to have a shop where I've just got maybe five or six, 360 degree, uh, treadmills, some great
AR stuff. I can send my guys out and take 360 degree of every house. And when someone comes in and goes,
Hey, I want to run across town and look at 12 different homes. I go here, step into my office, let's go tour them.
We'll limit it down to the two or three that you really want to see. Cause you've just done a full immersive HK or, you know, 8k tour and then save time.
And you know what I mean? And I went, man, that would be cool. And here I'm now that I'm talking about it out loud and I have been for the last few years,
I probably should be working towards that instead of just waiting for someone to walk up to my door and go, Oh, here's this
ID you had, uh, you, you know, but there's so many uses for it is what I'm trying to say going into the future.
And I'm wondering as two believers and I'm a believer, is there any, should we, cause you have some
Christians that are very apprehensive about tech, internet, uh, augmented reality, like,
Whoa, you know, crypto, uh, you should hear some of the conversations I have with Christians that just go, Oh no, we should go stick our head in the sands and wait for Christ to return where I'm more, well, you know what?
I think we should go out there and build things and advance the kingdom of Christ and use those technologies for God's glory.
They've been given to us so that we can give him glory. What is your guys' stance on that being in that space?
I think I know what the answer is going to be, but should we have any concerns about AR and you know, and all these different things and technology as believers?
Yes. And no. So like, like I said, there's this marker coming. Imagine sitting in your living room and the pastor's actually standing there and you're, and you're watching, you watched a sermon, but now he's actually there in telepresence and we know our brains process emotionally the same way as soon as you add a 3d coordinate.
So I actually, I can, we literally translate things the same way as if it's in person.
Uh, and so there's this, this moment in time coming where we kind of eliminate geography and the Christian church as it stands, isn't ready for a revival.
Like everybody prays for this billion soul revival, which I pray for, but you can't, we can't scale what we're doing right now.
We're, we're crappy at discipleship. We're horrible at a whole lot of things unless we actually add a technological element into it.
How do we scale a billion people coming in? We have 2 .3 billion people that claim, uh,
Christendom and you've got maybe 2 % of those people actually discipling. Um, so we have to like learn like the, how do we actually, with the few harvesters magnify or, you know, force multiply what they're doing.
Um, I believe tech, I don't believe this. I wholeheartedly, you know, run with this, that we can scale what we're doing in those efforts with Christianity.
That said, the same capability, the enemy wants to twist. So we've got, uh, yeah, we seeded the ground because of that unbiblical view that we're supposed to not be in certain spaces.
Um, we seeded the ground to the enemy and web two is owned by porn and you know, you don't have to go into all the damaging things that that does to the people, the relationships, you know, the people who consume it, the people who make it all of it.
Um, but there, there is this false connection that will be able to be occurred.
So if Christians don't step into this space, if they don't say, Hey, the convergence of AI and AR is something we should own.
I can, I would predict it's a species ending event because all of a sudden people are going to be acting, interacting with, with people that aren't real.
Um, and they're not going to be forming true human connection. And then, uh, ultimately porn will own that space too.
I mean, it's, it's really, do you want to give the ground to the enemy or not? That's kind of the view work, or you could use this tool to disciple or revival that occurs on the planet.
That's never been seen before. More, more souls coming in, but then I've lived like that's the possibility.
Yeah. Jen, I think you'd be in that. Yeah, go ahead. I was just gonna say it makes my heart a little sad because I, I think it's important that we really boil things down to the core of it.
Right. And the core of that is fear for those saying that, like, Oh, this is, this is bad. This is, we should stay away from it.
Now we should balance it. You shouldn't be on your phone 12 hours out of the day or four hours out of the day, but to just say,
Oh, it's evil and bury your head in the sand. Like we are, we have to step up. We have to fight these battles.
And to Luke's point, like if we as believers are not in it, the enemy will own it period.
And people need to understand that. Yeah, that that's so good. I mean, and we see this,
I think in, in every iteration of technology, right? I think back to event 30 years ago and the internet was in its infancy.
Like I said, I grew up in church and my dad was a computer wholesaler. So I was around Commodore 64s and learned
DOS and, uh, you know, was the first person in my neighborhood to have a CD -ROM and a
Pentium 66, which was insane. And you know what I mean? And all these things. And we had a lot of believers in the eighties was a unique time to, uh, for like kind of the, the, uh, moral majority and this very conservative view of this fundamentalist of like, don't touch it.
Don't look at it. It's all evil. It's all from Satan. Right. And it was like, Oh, the internet. Oh my, no. And it's like, do you know how many believers
I've met that said if the internet wasn't there for me to hear that sermon, to hear the word of the gospel preached.
I mean, we've taken the internet and we've made, we now have podcasts and sermons and videos and all these things that are proclaiming
Christ, Christ crucified and glorifying God. Yes, we absolutely should not, uh, just kind of, you know, throw the, uh, what did they say?
Throw the baby out with the bathwater. Is that, did I say that right? I think that was so, so I think we're tracking on the same.
And I think most of the listeners here would probably think the same way too, is like we're in this space. Obviously there's things to be, to, to look out for.
Right. But I, I believe too, that sometimes the believers only hear the crazy wacky stuff and then,
Oh, Elon Musk wants to put a chip in our brain. Uh, it's all bad. Uh, you know, and you go, well, hold on here a second.
We have a company like what you guys have in your right. I mean, you're at the spirit tip sphere of the industry.
Um, and you're creating something and you're believers and you're going, we want to bless people with what we do.
So with gravity Jack, how can someone support you? Let's say they're listening right now and they go, yeah,
I have a headset or I'm thinking of getting a headset or I want to get into AR. Like how do they support gravity
Jack? Is it through the games that you guys provide through the, to the hardware? Well, there's a couple that we create custom executions for clients, brands, et cetera.
They can come to, if you have, they have ideas and they want us to create it. That's what we do is one vertical of our kind of agency division.
Then we have our patents and this third piece that the kind of immediate now to support us is we actually just launched our first public offering, uh, on start engine .com.
So you can go to start engine .com, look for gravity Jack. If you actually want to financially buy into the company and it shares in all of gravity deck, not just the game that we're doing, but kind of piggybacking on the last question of being afraid of these technologies and how they're being used.
And you're saying, well, look at how, how the internet podcast and sermon, this is a positive way for the faith. We're trying to have been
Yaman as an, a dual platform, mobile augmented reality game in this game. It's a secular game, but in the game there's going to be quests all.
And this is a global, so it's very encourages cross borders, especially with all the political stuff right now, all these governments fighting.
The people are still beautiful people. I mean, we were just in Singapore a couple of weeks ago and, and met with Malaysians and people from Taiwan and Vietnam.
The people are lovely and there's believers all over the world. So this game encourages cross border gameplay.
And then also an element of it in poorer economies and poverty ridden economies, Asia, the parts of China, Middle East, Africa.
There are quests in the game that people in these economies. So there's an 85 % penetration rate in the world of people with smartphones.
So there you can be in this tiny little village in the middle of nowhere. And there's one, maybe one person in the whole family has a smartphone, but they've got a phone and they're gaming.
And so in these poverty written areas, you can do a quest that is a language translation quest to earn in game currency that can be extracted out into their local currency.
So real money, these people can actually earn real money in the game by doing these translations.
They'll translate Shakespeare, you know, Moby Dick, the first chapter of John. So in that they're actually, whether they know it or not translating the word of God, we are getting an artificial intelligence translation engine.
So some people who are like AI is bad. Yeah, but we're going to be able to create this, this
AI language translation engine that can allow us to speak to these people who otherwise we wouldn't have been able to speak to in their heart language.
That's a beautiful thing. So that's another way that you could get directly involved. I would highly go warchive .gravityjack
.com and check that out. Yeah, we'll make sure we link all of this up to go ahead, Luke. I'm sorry. Cool.
Thanks, Greg. If you break this down, Google, ChatGPT, they target half the planet, the top 100 languages.
They have no desire to target the other 7 ,100 languages that are unreached by an AI NLP, natural language processing engine.
The reason they don't want to is one, the people groups are small. And two, they're typically that 50 % is also the people that live in poverty.
So what we're actually doing, though, is we're giving them real work. We uplift them up out of poverty.
We bring them into the world economics system. And then we have a company now, GravityJack, which bases its company on God -born principles.
And now we have the capacity to speak to half the planet. And we're not owned by a woke company.
This is Google. I mean, you hop in Jack GPT, it's woke. And it's going to continue to be. And it's going to continue to spew the things of the world.
And now we're going to literally compete with them, but for half the planet. And it's literally the planet we're supposed to be going for.
We're supposed to take care of the poor. All of our gifts and every blessing is supposed to be poured out to bless others.
And then that's kingdom economy. And the math actually works. When you start bringing people into productivity, and you stop this prisoner's dilemma that they're stuck in, it's a game changer.
Excuse the pun. No, that's good. Hey, listen, so we're coming up on time here, but there's just a few more quick questions
I want to ask you, because I could sit here for an hour and talk to you guys, because so, so very interesting, especially visiting with other brothers and sisters in the
Lord. But you touched on wokeism a little bit. Why do you think that seems to be, well, maybe
I'm being cliche here, but it seems to be very accepted and really pushed within the tech communities.
Maybe first, maybe now it's all leveling off in other places. Heck, we see it in church and everywhere else, but why do you think they were an early adopter of kind of that woke mentality?
Was there money in it for them? Was it the governments wanted them to get on board? I've asked that to a few people in this space, and I'm just wondering why it seems to be so prevalent, or like I said, early adopters in that space.
What do you guys think about that? My personal opinion is look at the origins of where these tech megas are coming from.
They're from these dense urban cities that have a naturally woke leaning agenda.
And then they've got the money behind them to continue to push this through. And also from a faith perspective,
I think the enemy, he can lift them up financially, enable them to do this.
It starts real subtle, like the movie industry 50 years ago. Now some of the stuff out there is so blatant, it's insane.
Yeah. I think it's a little more systemic, like a hard issue where you have highly intelligent people, often really gifted and poor in some other potential areas, like social skills, or just to make a cliche there.
And you start to worship your mind. You have this capability that nobody else does.
And I mean, pride is just the best little insert that the enemy uses to lever you into full deception, because then you can't even see the beauty of the genome and how it's perfectly crafted to be self -replicating, polymorphic, encrypted, the biggest mechanism of story.
You lose the capacity to see what's right in front of you, because you worship your own self. That's what
I've experienced in talking to people. And I try to break through, even people on our team.
I'm like, you can't see the beauty of this. Yeah. No, it is crazy too.
People with high intelligence, a lot of knowledge, you can let that pride really blind you from what we say, the simple things of God, obviously they're very intricate when you're talking about genome.
And when we look into space and we just had the president of Ligonier on talking with Elon Musk in deep time and deep space and all these things.
But I had an uncle that was that way. He's a lead engineer for the largest car manufacturer in the
United States. And I was in my late twenties. He was in his mid thirties and he would argue theolistic evolution.
Oh, maybe God created an amoeba and then it did this and that. But his kind of own intelligence really stopped him from seeing the glories of God.
10 years later, the Lord radically saved him. And now it's like, oh my gosh, talk about an intelligent guy that's also loving the
Lord and serving him. It's like the Lord knew exactly what he was doing. It's just double amplified. So, my heart really goes out for those guys too, to where Christ had come onto me like a child.
Sometimes you have to have faith and just go, I don't know, dad, I trust you. And then the glories of the universe through his creation are opened up to us.
And it's just a beautiful thing. But before we get out of here with you guys now, Jen glossed over it and she said, oh, skydiving.
And then went on to some other stuff. And we were talking a little bit before we started recording. I know you guys both skydive. Give us something for the listeners.
What's either one of the craziest kind of adrenaline things you guys have done, or maybe a fun story or a scary story of when we did something like that.
What was the most impactful? Jen, we'll start with you. One of my favorites was... Oh, sorry. Go, Jen.
You go. I'll say the scary... I don't know if scary is because it happened so fast.
You didn't have time to be scared. But looking back, you're like, that was just... That could have been really wrong. So, we ride sport bikes now too.
He had to get a four -level artificial disc replacement done in 2017 in Germany, which is why we don't skydive anymore.
Because I said, Pez dispenser. They're just going to come popping out. So, we ride our sport bikes more than we jump.
And there was one ride we were up in Canada. And at the time, I mean, I'm not going to say our top speeds on the radio show because people get upset about it.
But we were riding through probably around, I don't know, 140, 150,
Luke -ish, something like that. And he runs point, so he's in front. And there's deer on the highway.
Middle of the highway. There's a line of deer. Yeah. Across. It's not like you could just bop into the other lane.
I mean, they're like all over. And there was this hole that's like...
I mean, the size of our bikes, I feel like. So, he gets into the hole and he's going to go through it.
And his bike doesn't have an exhaust. It's just crazy loud. I think it's too loud.
So, he pops through the hole, but his punches down. So, that sound makes this deer jump up.
I didn't know deer could do this. Jumps up with its front legs vertical and starts doing this like whaling thing.
And all I could do was just get down and pop through. Made it through. We were totally fine.
But I just, I mean, it was just, you had to just think so fast. And it was just stay in the hole. And I was like, what was that deer doing?
This whole event too is like less than a second. Like from seeing the deer to we're like punch down.
You got to hit it hard. Because if you were to hit a deer, you want to hit it straight on. And the more momentum
I have, the more I'm going to miss that deer. I've had friends survive it and I've had friends not. And the ones that like punch down, boom.
I'm just going to, if I'm going to hit it, I'm going to hit it as fast as I can. I want to be the momentum that cuts it too.
I knew he would be good. Cause I saw the hole. It was just like, is that hole still going to be there when it's
Mike? Yeah. Well, listen, before we get into yours,
I will just say, you know, in three weeks in Northern Michigan at my property, when
I'm out in my blind, I will keep that in mind. If I see any deer, I'm going to say this one's for Luke and Jen taking down your uncle and I'm taking the meat back to the freezer with me.
Yes. How about you Luke? Well, we've done so many, we've, we've like had every adventure.
We've jumped from hot air balloons and we've jumped at 26 ,000 feet and did Birdman. And one of my favorites though was also motorcycle.
Cause we had two semis coming at us and we filmed this. It was like when 360, when we're still doing stitching our own videos.
But so we wrote at the semis, so two semis coming down the freeway and we split the semis coming at us.
Uh, and so, and you get to a certain speed, about 160, your eyebrows start humming and the world just becomes this hum.
And you know, then faster, it's just like, I don't know how to describe it unless you've done it, but it's just the best splitting was more fun than that, than the hot air balloon.
I just, I liked the relativity of something coming by me that fast. Cause it's like poof, like you're just, and then it's gone.
How fast were the semis going in the opposite direction or were they still about 50 and they were writing.
Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah. So it's real fast to that split. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
That's crazy. Well, so guys, let's finish up here. So are you guys on social anywhere? Do you guys want people following you or do you guys do any of that?
If so, throw out the handles or where you want people to go. Most of it. I think gravity
Jack took us out there. We'll link onto it too. We're on Twitter. We're on Facebook. We're on LinkedIn. Luke, you might want to throw,
I'm not heavy into the socials scene anymore. But we, you know, when it comes to business stuff, definitely.
Yeah. It's just at gravity Jack on all the socials. But yeah, our website has links and definitely war tribe .gravityjack
.com. That's our, our main thing we're doing right now. And it's it is God born.
We have lots of awesome partnerships and it's good. It's fun. Thank you for having us. Yeah. Thanks for being on.
And guys, we, I forgot to ask him the reason for the name gravity Jack, but guess what?
You're going to have to go to the website and read that very interesting reason why they named the company that, and who knows, maybe we'll have them back sometime and they can talk about that.
Luke Jen, thanks so much for being on the podcast. I absolutely loved your testimony. Love what you guys are doing in the space.
We absolutely support you here at the podcast. And if you ever need anything in the future definitely don't hesitate to ask or come back out when you got something exciting going on that we want to talk about.
Okay. Awesome. Right. Thanks Greg. All right. Thanks guys. Have a good one guys.
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