Debate: Does the Bible Teach the Concept of the Trinity

Can you show me, because we're gonna use some hermeneutics, can you show me anywhere in the Old Testament where that word perpetual is not perpetual? Because again, I understand you're appealing, again, sure, and you're talking about God's laws, where any of God's laws have been.

Wait a minute, I thought, I was gonna get to have a talk here. You asked a question. Hang on a second, sir, be quiet now, hang on a second.

Well, there you go, I will mute you because it's not your show. You asked a question, I'm gonna give you the answer. Genesis 6 -4, the word olam is used referring to those who are of old. Deuteronomy, I'll just rattle off all the ones where it's used, not referring to perpetual.

Genesis 6 -4, Deuteronomy 32 -7, Joshua 24 -2, 1 Samuel 27 -8, Job 22 -15, Psalm 24 -7, 24 -9, 25 -6, 41 -13, 77 -9, 90 -2, 103 -17, 106 -48, 119 -52, 143 -3, Proverbs 8 -23, Proverbs 22 -28, Proverbs 23 -10, and Ecclesiastes 1 -10.

Should I go on for more?

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Opening Banter and Show Introduction

Welcome to Apologetics Live! We're here to answer your questions and challenges about God and the Bible. Meet your hosts from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rappaport, Dr. Anthony Silvestro, and Pastor Justin Pierce.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We're live! Actual live after, what, six weeks now? So, I know many of you have missed us. We've been doing a bunch of travel. I'm gonna give you a quick update on some of that.

But I had to replay that clip from Batman there, who was blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Some folks had not heard that one when it originally recorded and commented to me after listening to that, I guess, two weeks ago in one of the replays and thought that was hysterical.

Let me bring in my acting co-host here. It is Mr. Drew Vonita. How are you, sir?

I'm doing well, doing well. Happy to be here. I just hope I can help out the ball club.

Updates on the Show, Travel, and Recent Corrections

So, real quick, a couple things, quick updates, because we want to get to discussions. We have some folks backstage. Here's what we're gonna do, and we're gonna start trying to do this more as a regular format is to put up, to start with some of the in-news segments and just giving you guys updates on things.

We're gonna get whatever the topic that we have, we'll do that the bulk of the time. We're gonna reserve like half an hour at the end to answer questions. Now, there's gonna be lots of times where when it's not a formal topic, we'll just answer questions whenever.

But I did have an update. Previously on the show, when we were live, I gave an update on the Lindsay Davis situation. A couple weeks before that, we had Zach Davis on, and we talked about that. And I made a comment about the fact that they raised money, $42 ,000, for a GoFundMe.

And they said they couldn't explain what the GoFundMe was for because that was for legal reasons. And so that got me curious, and I went and looked, and I could not find a legal case. I had looked through a search that searches everything, and I could not find one at the time.

However, that doesn't mean I stopped. Because if I say something wrong, here's gonna be a difference you're gonna see. Go back and watch that one with Zach where he was slandering Justin Peters, and you don't see him correcting what was clearly a misrepresentation.

Well, if I say something wrong, I correct it. And if I say it publicly, I correct it publicly. I said it on this show, so I'm correcting it on this show. There is a legal case that I was able to find.

It has not gone to court. The court date is June. It looks like June 6th. Sorry, June 4th of 2024. So we'll see about that, but it does seem that there was some sort of case that is interesting. Now, it was interesting because I said on the same thread where I said there was no court case, I corrected it and said that I would be mentioning it here.

Now, mind you, Lindsay could have just provided the link. I mean, she has the court case. She could have provided it. But instead, she chose to go silent when I asked for the evidence that there was a court case.

And what we ended up seeing is she said this. She texted me, I saw your comment about finally being able to find our lawsuit, that you plan to make a correction on Next Apologetics Live. I would kindly ask that you issue a statement of public repentance for your sin.

You're slandering us in the most horrific ways, accusing us of frauds, of us being frauds, and scamming people out of $42 ,000 across multiple and different platforms from hundreds of thousands of people to read.

Okay, let me just stop it there and just say first off, I thanked her that she thought that I have hundreds of thousands of followers. I don't think it's that big. I think it's a little bit smaller, maybe in the tens of thousands.

I get that my other podcast is in the top 100 of podcasts in Christianity, but I still don't think it's hundreds of thousands. I'm just not that big. But notice a couple things. First off, let's deal with facts.

I never accused them of being frauds and scamming people. I stated things that are factual. I stated that I could not find a legal case. I couldn't at the time. I stated that they raised $42 ,000 and said they could not say why it's being used for legal reasons.

Those are facts. Those are not slander. That can't be slander. People throw around the word slander. Slander is when you misrepresent knowingly someone to damage their reputation. So you're saying something you know is false about them to damage their reputation.

I said nothing that I knew was false. In fact, now we know. As I see that there's correction to be made, I make it. Not afraid of the truth. But then she says, what you did is hideous, and I would pray that you take real public responsibility for your sins.

You've committed the Ninth Commandment violation, slander, and committed libel. This deserves public acknowledgment in the same ways in which you disparaged that slander, written repentance, and verbal repentance.

We forgive you for your sins against us, 70 times 7, and pray that you would repent before the Lord. And so there was no slander. There was no sin. If she came to the conclusion that I was calling her frauds, she easily could have produced the evidence instead of saying I was slander.

But here's what I said. I said, I'm sorry, but what is my sin? Are you blind to your own behavior? You slandered Justin Peters publicly, refused to repent when you were clearly exposed. You lied about being discipled.

Even the two names I mentioned previously about her being discipled, she gave me two names of men who discipled her. And when I reached out to them, one wouldn't comment, and the other said he knows them for a while.

And I said, well, what's your discipleship with them look like? And he said, I don't know what you're talking about. And that's the last I heard.

Okay. I mean, it's kind of telling when you ask someone, hey, have you discipled them, and they refuse to comment. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm just saying I can't know. Am I is that calling them liars? No, I'm saying that the people they gave me as proof that they've been discipled, wouldn't answer how they discipled. So I said, I said, I'll wait for your public apology to Justin.

Until then, you're just a woman seeking a platform. Note for the record, you never once provided the case. You ignored it, leaving me to have to continue the research. The difference between you and me is that I correct myself when wrong, and you just continue with your lies.

When will you repent? And so that was my response to her. And so I'm correcting the record here. So it's on record that I said something that now I'm able to prove was inaccurate. Unfortunately, it would have been better if she had provided it right away.

Could have done that. But all right. So with that, let me get to real quick. I know a lot of folks are asking about my trip. And so I'm wearing my nice Israel shirt as I just got back. And so I will be doing a longer rap report episode coming up.

So if you subscribe to the Andrew Rapport's Rap Report podcast, I think it'll be probably in two or three weeks that this one will come out. But I'm going to do a longer podcast with Eric Johnson, who was with us on the trip.

And I will be going into more detail about the Israel trip. I will go into some showing some pictures and things like that, because I'll probably do a video for that one. I'm going to get into way more information there.

But I did want to just give some sort of update. So Drew and I were commenting before. I did pick up yet another Shofar because, well, I actually know how to use them.

And he's going to come out with the Striving for Eternity album, The Sounds of the Shofar. Yeah, no.

No, no. We're not going to be doing that. But I do, as a trumpet player, I know how to use it and I do enjoy it. But they are loud and so meant to be used outdoors. Just saying. I'll tell you a couple of things real quick about going to Israel.

Get you guys enticed if you guys have not been there. It's really good, really helpful to read your Bible, to understand your Bible better when you've been there. One of the things that really blew me away, Drew, was this.

Being there, we were on the roof of where the upper room would have been. Oh, wow. And Joel is reading Acts 2. And he's reading Acts 2, speaking about how David, King David, had died. And where he's referring to the fact that King David died, but he was going to have a son that wouldn't die.

And you could see, as Joel's doing this, Joel's pointing and saying, Guys, remember when we were at King David's tomb? It's right there and you could see it. Oh, wow. He goes, they were just there. He's pointing to the Mount of Olives.

That's where they just came, where they were praying at night. And then from the upper room, Caiaphas' house is like a stone's throw away. It's like a block or two away, but those are smaller blocks, not like New York City blocks.

Where Christ was crucified and buried were within eyeshot. So it just really brings it out. When you could sit there, and I could just picture Peter on that day of Pentecost, giving that sermon and just pointing to all the locations.

Because we think everything is so big and so wide and expansive, because that's what we're used to, and yet it's not. Everything was so close to one another. It really was quite interesting.

That's amazing. Yeah. I've always wanted to go to Israel. The funds are not there, but just to be able to stand in the places like that and then be able to see all those places, that's got to do something to you as far as the reality of the Scriptures.

It does. The other thing, and I should also mention before we get started with discussion tonight, if I have to mute and try to prevent from coughing, I have not really recovered from my trip to Israel.

I came back from Israel with a bladder infection, had to quickly get medications for that, and headed out the next day to Shepherds Conference. From Shepherds Conference, I ended up getting pink eye. At Shepherds Conference, I ended up having blood pressure issues, so my blood pressure was raised.

I've come back from California. My blood pressure is doing great right now. However, I ended up with a cold that's going on two weeks now. I can't seem to shake it. So if I cough and things, I'm sorry.

I'm trying not to. But the other thing about being in Israel that I realize, Drew, we take for granted is water. Yeah. One of the things that blew me away is the fact that water is such a big deal. We're up in Masada, which is Masada was Herod's summer retreat, I guess.

We don't know if he actually ever went there, but he was building it. And they had a huge cavern for water that they had to bring bucket by bucket, bring the water up and put it in there. There were some ways they had for collecting rainwater, but they filled this thing.

And everywhere we went, the first thing you'd see is these huge wells or cisterns. And it made me realize how important water is. In fact, Joel Cramer was with us. He's an archaeologist who did archaeology there in Israel and Jordan.

And he had said that one of the ways they know there's an archaeological site is because there is a water source. And so that was quite interesting. So it was really great to be in the homeland of my forefathers.

As many in this audience know, I am from a Hebrew background. I'm from the tribe of Levi, specifically the tribe of Korahite. So I'm what's called a Korhine or Kohen, some pronounce it. But they would be those that would have taken care of the elements of the temple.

And so you traced your lineage all the way back there.

Well, the rabbis had, the rabbi who explained it to me, they had, you know, this is the thing, and we've mentioned this before. I know John MacArthur often says they can't do the lineages ever since the destruction of the temple in 70 AD because all the records were destroyed.

The problem with that is what ends up happening is when you have, and you'll see this even today in many Arab countries, the tribal heritage is very important. And when you have that, some people have memorized and can go back 14, 15 generations that they could trace their line back.

And so when you have that with, you know, with folks, yeah, the temple would be destroyed, but what's the first thing they're going to do? They're going to reestablish that. They're going to start writing it down again.

So they have those records, and they ended up being able to do it when last names became used. They started doing it through last names.

Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah, because, you know, I always thought that was interesting where people say we can't, we can't go all the way back there because those records were destroyed. But I remember, I believe it was Dr. White talking about a book that referenced, that we know when John the Baptist's father would have been in the temple serving.

I wonder what book that is. I think it's, I think it's this book right here, The Old Testament Canon of the New Testament Church by Roger Beckwith. I think that might have been the book. Okay. Neat.

All right, well, let's, so, and I should say this, I should say this. I got a picture. Some folks know, if you remember way back when we had Zadok on and we were discussing black Hebrew Israelites, I got this picture and this, I want you to notice the lady on the left, that is what a black, because she's black skinned, she's Hebrew because she's actually of one of the 12 tribes and she's actually an Israelite because, well, she's not only Israeli citizen, but she's actually in the Israeli army.

And so that's what a black Hebrew Israelite looks like. That was a, that was funny to do. Matt Slick and I were, you know, walked up and asked if we could get a picture with them. And, and so they were thrilled.

And so we took, we snapped that picture. It was a lot of fun. And then everyone else wanted pictures. And Matt and I were just like, we just wanted that, you know, because everyone tells us there's, there's no black Hebrew Israelites and there are.

So. That's funny.

But. You just got to cause trouble everywhere you go. That's what it seems like.

No, that's Matt's job. He's good at it. So let's, I see we got a couple of things started already. So let me address some of these before we get started. Jason says, and by the way, Jason is a member over at YouTube, which they were, they've allowed the money to.

They're going to kick us soon. I'm sure because they just now actually told me that. I mean, this was back in what, 2020 when Anthony did a show about vaccines. And they said that it was medical misinformation, but they're not going to give us our final strike because of it.

But, but Jason, Jason says, so my 13 year old daughter regularly watches the show with me and recently added YouTube to her computer. So she could start the hermeneutics and theology. Fun fact, YouTube would not let her watch your channel.

It will, unless it was not restricted, which filters out mature content. So it should have allowed her to watch. Cause I don't think we have anything that's adult content in there.

Must be all that misinformation from Anthony.

Yeah, maybe. And so, but, but we do thank you. And what he was referring to, by the way, with the hermeneutics and theology is our Striving Fraternity Academy. We don't plug that enough, but if you go to strivingfraternity .org, click on the Academy tab there, you can get to our Academy classes, which are free on YouTube.

You can watch them. So we have how to interpret the Bible. That's biblical hermeneutics. We have about 80 lessons on systematic theology. We have 20 plus lessons on world religions and intro to world religions.

And then we have another 20 plus on how to disciple. So those are some courses you could take for free. The syllabuses cost money, but other than that, it is something you can watch right now on YouTube as long as they let us.

So let's, so let's, let's bring in. So I, Simon Ben-Israel, I'm going to bring him in first. I don't know if he's got, I don't see he or any of his friends have their cameras on yet. So he may not be on camera, but the way this podcast, this episode came about and before I bring him in, I should do our first commercial, bring our first sponsor up.

But the way this came about is he was in our Christian apologetics, Facebook group, which by the way, for some reason right now, Facebook is not allowing any of this on YouTube. I don't know why, but I don't see it.

Well, I haven't seen any Facebook comments. Yeah.

So I don't know what's going on with Facebook, but it won't allow us to go live there. It just says that broadcast was, was deleted or something. So I don't quite know why, uh, what I could try. Actually, you know what I'm going to try doing?

I'm just going to try deleting those all and seeing if we could add them back. I don't know. We'll try. I don't know if I could do that life. It doesn't look like I can. All right. Well, that's Facebook for you.

Yeah. I mean, usually on my phone, I get a notification about when the show goes live and I haven't got one.

Okay. Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try. So meanwhile, while I do that, I can do two things at once because I'm, I'm just that talented. And what I, what I would like to do is bring up our first sponsor and that'll be my pillow.

Uh, my pillow is, I, I know you look, you guys, you guys who are regulars here, you know, I love my pillow, but I got to tell you, I am waiting to go to sleep tonight. Uh, I just got in today, the my pillow two dot O now what's supposed to be good about this.

And if you're like me, I mean, I, I just, I guess I'm hot at night and, and I end up sweating a lot and my pillow two dot O and I got the, my pillow two dot O mattress topper. And supposedly these will take care of issues like that with, uh, being too hot.

Uh, it's supposed to be able to, um, well, it's the claim it's going to keep me cool. We're going to see if that's what it does. Um, it'll, I mean,.

I may need to invest in, in one of those, right? Because so I have a, my pillow that you graciously gifted me, uh, and my wife loved it so much. She kept stealing it. And so I got her one, uh, but she likes to keep it really, really hot temperature wise.

And for some reason in the bedroom, the vents are pointing right at the bed. And so it's like a sauna. So, uh, so I may need to invest in one of those.

Well, I think you should, I think you should. And, uh, okay. I think I got these on you. You could check some of our, our channels there and see whether they're, they're alive. But if you want to get yourself the, my pillow 2 .0, I think they're doing a two for one sale right now.

If you use the promo code and our promo code is S F E stands for striving for eternity. Looks like we got Facebook up. Uh, yeah, good. Okay. Yeah. Sorry about that. And you know, the weird thing is Facebook told me that everything was going live or that it was ready.

So I don't know what they did. Who knows? I should have tried that earlier. You got Zuckerberg is what you, what you did. So, so with that folks go to mypillow .com and check out, uh, everything they have.

They even have coffee. I didn't, I, yeah, I knew that'd get your interest. So yeah, they have coffee even. So, Hey, you could go get yourself a nice cup of gel. Yeah. All right. And so, um, yeah, so that's, that was really neat.

I'm looking forward to getting some sleep tonight for that reason. So mypillow .com, uh, use promo code S F E. So let me bring Simon in. Simon, are you there?

It looks like you're muted. Yes. Yes. I'm here. Can you, can you hear me?

I can hear you loud and clear. First off, let me let you introduce yourself. You, you were so, so let me give some a little bit of background, right? Uh, I, I run a group called, uh, uh, Christian apologetics on Facebook.

Um, I did a thing where I tried to create these chat groups, which was a real mistake because it got out of hand really quick. Uh, and people were name calling and everything else. And I just said, okay, I'm shutting that down.

So that didn't work so well, but, uh, and it, and it's funny cause I got a Facebook working in all the groups except that one's Simon that we're in together, uh, the Christian apologetics. But you were, you were having a lengthy discussion, uh, with someone who I forget, uh, about the, the deity of Christ, whether Jesus Christ, whether the Bible teaches the concept of a Trinity.

And so, uh, I had suggested you come in here and you said you'd love to. And so, and so first off, I'm just going to say for, for regular listeners here, Simon, they're, they're shocked because many, many, many times we get people that say they're going to come in and they want to discuss a topic and then they never show you showed.

So right off the bat, kudos to you, um, for, for showing up. So why don't you introduce yourself real quick so folks can, can get to know who you are.

Okay, perfect. Um, yeah, first off, let me, let me say our praise to the most like God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel. Thank you. Thankful for the opportunity, um, where I can be here. Uh, I think I have a few brothers in the, in the back also that, that, uh, they're waiting to come in.

But what I want to do, of course, I'm, I'm an Israelite. I do identify as an Israelite, um, first and foremost. Um, yeah, we did have a lengthy discussion in that group. Um, I think, um, I, I haven't participated in that group for a while.

It was lengthy. Um, I'm glad that, that, that I could have had the opportunity to, to actually see what, what, what I was taught, um, uh, to actually see what, you know, what we know. Um, and I'm glad that I, that I actually got your attention on it and we can be here where we can, we can have a lengthy dialogue on it.

Um, the topic we have here is does the Bible teach the concept of, of Trinity, of the Trinity? What I want to do. Um, I do want to introduce, uh, some of my brothers. I was hoping, um, I was hoping for, for you fellas to have probably, um, uh, more persons on.

So if we can have a really good discussion, but I think we were going to have, we're going to have a good discussion here. Um, yeah.

One thing, Simon, I'm just, uh, cause some of the guys, I see what two, four, there's six people backstage. Some of them, it looks like are in twice. Um, I've been seeing people come in and drop, come in and drop, but it looks like, uh, and I'm, I hope I don't miss, I know.

I asked him for the pronunciation, but I think by, by, by Ira. No, uh, I forget how to pronounce it. Maria, but maybe it's Maria. Um, he's in Mariah. So he's backstage twice. Um, so I don't know which one to bring in.

Um, so I'll just mention for him if he could remove the old one. So I know where he is. So Simon, just let me know who, I don't want to bring everyone in all at once. Um, you know, I mean, we can, as long as everyone just lets one person talk at a time.

That's the, that's the one thing where we have lots of folks in, is there anyone specific, uh, you need me to bring in?

Is there anyone I should bring in first? Yes. Um, yes. Can you tell me, um, who's there? Who's who's in the box? Um, yes. Uh, Como,.

Israel Byra. Sure. Shara or Shar and with this last one, I don't even know how to pronounce a D I R I K I. I don't know how to pronounce that one. Uh, I, I'd. Ricky Ricky Ricky. Is that it? Okay. Yes.

Yes. So those are the folks that we have backstage with you. So, um, yes, you open the,.

They're all here. Um, yes, they're all here with me. So, so you can, you can, you can allow them in. Okay.

So is there a particular one you want us to bring in first?

Yeah. I mean, I don't, you can, you can bring in, uh, Como, Como, Israel. You can bring in Como Israel. There's, um, yes. Sure. Sure. China do, uh, I'd Ricky.

Okay. And I'd Ricky. Okay. I, we don't know if I'd Ricky is, we weren't able to test his microphone. So, so no one's on camera. Um, w w which isn't as good, but all right.

Um, that just means I get to be the best looking one here.

Oh, that's true. Uh, but, but with you and I here at the low standard. So I, I look, I don't even, they're not even on camera and I'm going to assume all four of them are better looking than you and I drew.

So let's just start with that.

I posted a picture of, of me and Lawson the other day and Justin Pierce commented and he said, he looks just like his mom. That's a good thing.

All right. So Simon, let me, let me, uh, let you open with your, you know, you, you, you had some, some things back and forth and we all more going to be kind of working off what you say and, and reacting to that.

Um, so I figured I'd give you the floor to, to start. So just if you, if, uh, Simon, you just got to mute yourself cause you're still muted.

Yes. No. Just real quick. I'm going to be in and out. So I don't know if you want to bring someone else out of the, um, the back room to take my place. And then when I'm ready, I'll signal you because I don't want to be here.

And if a question comes up and I'm not available to jump in. Okay. Thank you guys so much for having us on your show. Uh, really appreciate it.

No problem. Come on in. Yeah. You, you, if you just, I'll put you backstage and if you just go in the private chat, let, let me know, uh, in private chat, say, Hey, uh, you know, bring me in. Question or something.

Yeah.

Yes. What you can do, what you can do is, is invite Bariah Kona in. Um, you can invite him in.

Bariah is in, let me do this. Um, I'm going to turn this off for a second. Yeah. That way you guys can see the names. This'll be a little bit easier. And actually now I can see who's muted and not. So, so that's good.

So Simon, go for it. Do an introduction for us for, for your, what your position is.

Okay. Perfect. Um, let me, let me begin by saying again, um, all praises to the most like God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, in whom we live, we move and we do all things. We, we do hope and pray.

Now we can able to have a peaceful dialogue, um, a very cordial discussion this evening. Of course, we do believe in this discussing, uh, with respect. Um, we definitely don't believe in over-talking each other.

Uh, we believe in respectful dialogue. So I, I do pray that we may have a fruitful and respectful dialogue this evening. Um, I want to first begin by saying that most definitely we do not believe that the Bible teaches the concept of Trinity.

And, and we would all agree that, uh, not even the name is within scriptures. All right. But, um, from time to time persons will try to interject the concept, uh, of Trinity, which was not there originally, which was not there originally, but persons try to interject that concept by interpreting scriptures or what I would put it by misinterpreting the scriptures.

They can be able to interject that concept, which is not there. Um, what I want to go into is a bit of, um, history before I go into the, the scriptures. All right. Just bear with me a bit. Yeah. Just bear with me a bit here.

Um, yes, no problem. So we have here the origins, uh, the origins of the Trinity concept according to, uh, the world history encyclopedia. And I'm going to just, um, give you a brief quote here, um, of what is written.

Uh, the, the word Trinity actually appears nowhere in the Bible. Of course we, we, we can all agree to that concept. Exactly. So the concept was finalized at the first council of Nicaea in 325 CE, uh, after years of debate, um, according to the encyclopedia Britannica, right?

The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries through many controversies, meaning that it was, it was never in the Bible to begin with that concept was not there to begin with. Um, let me go a bit further.

What I want to show you here is an excerpt from the Stanford encyclopedia philosophy. And I'm going to paraphrase here a bit. Um, the history of, uh, the Trinitarian doctrine on the development of the creeds, um, up to 325 CE.

It states, no theologian in the first three, uh, Christian centuries was a Trinitarian in the sense of believing that the one God is tripersonal containing equally divine persons, father, son, and Holy spirit.

Now this is what I want to focus a bit on during the first three centuries. This is what I want to focus on. No theologian, no Christian theologian. Um, was a Trinitarian in the sense of believing, uh, that the father is tripersonal or, or, uh, God almighty is tripersonal.

Um, the term we translate as Trinity, of course, we all know the, the, the word in Latin or Greek, um, seems to have come into use only in the last two decades of the second century. Now, if this term came into use in the last two decades of the second century, it basically is telling us here that the term was never in scriptures to begin with.

Um, as I read on, um, the gentleman by the name of Tertullian, where of course we all, um, will feel with, with our name, the gentleman by the name of Tertullian is now hailed by Trinitarian for his use of the term Trinity and his view that it at its last stage consists of three persons.

Now, despite the fundamental differences from late orthodoxy, from late orthodoxy, um, where it is authorized generally accepted to reduction of practice, despite of this is despite this belief, um, the, the, the concept or the word came into being later on.

And it was gradually developed through the centuries through different, through, uh, through different meetings that was held to different councils, um, that was held. Um, historically, what we see is that this concept never existed and it only came into being, uh, in the Christian community, um, at a later date.

Um, now this is historically speaking, this is just historically speaking. When we go to the scriptures, the scripture identifies something that is, that is fundamental. Um, what we, what we hold to, what we would like to present here first, of course, we, we do go into Deuteronomy six and verses four where it states the Lord, our God is one.

No, a lot of persons probably may go into definition of words to, to, to show what the word one means. Um, at one point in time, an individual explained to me the word, a card or a card means one or yes,.

A card or a card means you got to, you got to get. Like, you're getting ready to spit when you're saying,.

God. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So the definition of the word is what's important. Um, so to, to, to kind of interject this concept, they would say that it is united. It means united as one. It means one or united as one.

But, but when we coupled a Deuteronomy six and verses four along, um, with other scriptures, because we definitely do believe in reading line upon line. We believe in reading, uh, uh, precept upon precept, here a little there a little, this is how you rightly divide the word of the most high God.