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Hello, everybody, and good evening. Thank you for joining us. This is the Pastors Panel Podcast, and hopefully we will have some other brothers that join us.
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Pastors, and that'll be great. If not, I have Brother Claude with me tonight, and I'm so thankful that he is able to join me and talk about God's Word.
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So thankful for him. I guess the Pastors Panel Podcast is sponsored by Truth and Love Network, and so I played my little intro there.
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That was brand new, wasn't it? I've had it for a while. I'm just not used to it in our podcast.
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Yeah. Wow. Yeah, because that's nice. Thank you. I appreciate it. I like all your stuff, too.
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Lord has allowed us to have in these days and times. Absolutely. I mean, we could spend a lot of money, but a lot of stuff, you know, low budget stuff is pretty good that we can do.
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I mean, this is fantastic. So we're going to continue to look in Matthew chapter 24, and we're going to continue to have our discussion in eschatology.
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But we're doing this live. Thank you for joining us. If you have any questions, if you're watching, and if you have any questions, we will stop what we're doing, and we'll try to answer your question if we can.
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So we want to interact with you while we're having our discussion, and your question doesn't have to be on eschatology or in things in times.
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It can be on a verse in the Bible about church, whatever you'd like to talk about related to Jesus and the
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Bible and Christianity. So give us a give us a shout out. Tell us hello.
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Let us know that you're watching. I want to give us some context instead of just jumping right in,
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Claude. And because of my voice and my third situation going on, if you wouldn't mind, would you read
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Matthew 24 one through one through 22? And that will give us some context before we jump into our next few verses.
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Yes, sir. Matthew 24 one through 22. Yes. Here we go. Oh, that's
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Luke. Sorry. At least we didn't start reading it, and everybody's wondering what translation is he using?
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All right. Sorry. Okay. Here we go. All right. Here we go. So then
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Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and his disciples came up to show him the building of the temple.
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Jesus said to them, Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another that shall not be thrown down.
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Now as he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately saying,
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Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?
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And Jesus answered and said to them, Heed that no one deceives you, for many will come in my name saying,
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I am the Christ, and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars.
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See that you are not troubled, for all these things must come to pass. But the end is not yet, for nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
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And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.
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Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake.
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And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
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Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.
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But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place, whoever reads, let him understand.
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Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.
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And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days.
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And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath, for then there will be great tribulation such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time.
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No, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved.
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But for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened. I'm so tempted every time we read through that to start making comments.
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But I know we've already done plenty of videos on the other verses. Yeah. So if you're watching this and as Brother Claw was reading and you have questions about anything that he just read, we've discussed and we've talked about those things in other videos.
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So I'd encourage you to go back and watch those other videos. And if those videos don't answer your questions, send us a message.
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Let us know. We'll try to answer those questions. So we're ready to start in verse 23.
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And I want to give you this claim that I read. And I'm going to read verses 23 through 26.
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Yeah. 23 through 26. I'm going to tell you the claim that I read. Then I'm going to read the verses.
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And you tell me if you can see if that claim has legitimacy. So the claim is these verses 23 through 26.
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Tell us that Jesus is not coming. So Jesus is speaking here.
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They're asking, what is the sign of your... Where is it?
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Verse three. Tell us when all these things will be, what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age.
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So he's answering their questions. Sign of your coming, the end of the age. And so that's what he's talking about.
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But the claim is verse 23 through 26 is evidence that Jesus is not speaking of a physical coming.
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So let me read the verses and you tell me if you can see that claim here in these verses. Verse 23.
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Then if anyone says to you, behold, here's the Christ or there he is, do not believe him for false
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Christ and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders so as to mislead if possible, even the elect.
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Behold, I have told you in advance. If therefore they say to you, behold, he's in the wilderness, do not go forth or behold, he is in the inner rooms, do not believe them.
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So I know that as a post -millennialist or partial preterist, we would say that would to be true.
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That's what we believe that Jesus is not speaking here. He's speaking of his coming, but not his physical coming.
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He's speaking of a different kind of coming. But do these verses claim what this person that I read, because they're trying to say that these verses here speak of Jesus telling them it's not a physical coming.
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Do you see that in these verses? I would have to say yes, really, just because of my position on that.
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I would say yes. But again, just the plain reading of the text.
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I mean, if we approach the text,
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I mean, honestly, because that's a challenge for all of us as God's people to approach
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God's Word without our views and just looking at the text for what it is, right?
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So if we just read the text for what it is, if anyone says to you, look, here's the Christ, or there, don't believe it, right?
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So he's saying, this is the Christ telling the disciples. If someone comes and says they are the
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Christ, don't believe it. But yeah,
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I mean, I would have to say I could agree with that statement that you read.
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I just wanted to get some others' opinion on that. I looked at those verses,
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I read them, and I can see on the one hand where Jesus is telling his disciples, this is what not to look for.
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But I wanted to be careful to not squeeze in there the partial predisposition of what we are to be looking for if it's not there.
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I mean, I can see it too, but like you're talking about, I'm looking at it through the lens of the partial predisposition.
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Right. And I don't want to squeeze that in there if it's not in there. So it's interesting.
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So it's really kind of a, I don't know if this is the right, because I'm kind of backwards sometimes in my thinking, but they're saying hindsight is 20 -20.
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That's the benefit that we have now that they did not have then, is that we have the completed revelation.
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We have the completed canon of Scripture where all they had was to look back to the old, which is like we started to say earlier before we started recording.
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As a Christian, we'll never be able to understand the
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New Testament without the light of the Old Testament, and they just reflect one another.
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I mean, it's constant. Without the one, you can't have the other. Do you sometimes think that we might not be in a better position if we were in their position so like, okay, here's the
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Old Testament Christian. All right. When you graduate from that, we'll give you the New Testament. Yeah.
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From a basic understanding, I think you're exactly right.
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You got to learn one plus one is one, two plus two is four, so on and so forth before you can understand that four times six is 24.
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It just goes from there. That basic understanding has to be there, but again, we have the benefit of seeing before and after.
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We have the benefit of being able to flip and to read back in the
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Old Testament, and then on our phones, we don't have to lick our fingers anymore to turn the pages on the
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Bible, right? We just Google it or we say chapter six of this book, verse 14, right?
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We just press buttons on our phones now. But yeah, going back to what you were saying there,
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I think if we just read it at the plain reading of the text, it is clear.
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And before we move on, I do want to point out one more thing, and it's the same thing that I want to continue to point out.
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When we go through all the verses, if you look in verse 25 and verse 26, it's the audience.
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I don't think that we can emphasize that enough. Once we get to verse 34, we don't want to miss the fact of when we're understanding the context, who is he speaking to?
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And who is he directing this to? Who is the message to? And we can't leave that out, overlook it, change it, whatever we want to do.
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We have to read it for the text, like you said, for what it says. And verse 25, behold,
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I have told you in advance. Verse 26, if therefore they say to you, so it's those folks that were to be looking for these false
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Christ. And it makes me think of... While you're turning there, verse 1 tells us who the who are, right?
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24, 1, Jesus went out and departed from the temple. His disciples came up to show him the buildings of the temple, and Jesus said to them.
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Right. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But these folks that he was warning to be looking out for, do you think that it's the same people that John was speaking of?
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And I know John speaks of them in 1 John and 2
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John, I think. But 1 John 2, verse 18, it says, children, it is the last hour.
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And just as you have heard that Antichrist is coming, even now many Antichrists have arisen from this, we know it is the last hour.
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So are these folks in Matthew 24 that Jesus is warning about, are these the same folks that John is warning about?
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I would say yeah. And he's saying that they're there. And that's a sign that this is the last hour.
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Yeah. So therein lies the challenge of the idea of there being a quote unquote
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Antichrist, right? Because that's the thing. There's an Antichrist in every generation from the premillennial dispensational view, right?
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It was Hitler. It was Obama, right? For some it was
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Trump, so on and so forth. You could go on and on and on. Every generation, every few years, there's always a new
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Antichrist. It was the Pope. And there were some of the great reformers who held to the idea that the
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Pope was the Antichrist. But again, Antichrist is not used in the term of one person, one figure.
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It is individuals, but it's individuals with a particular ideology and view that Jesus did not come in the flesh.
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That's what John was saying. And he's not mentioned in or they're not mentioned in Revelation, correct?
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Correct. Isn't that amazing? Correct. And if I'm not mistaken, the
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Antichrist are not political leaders. It's religious, religious leaders.
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Right. And I'm glad we brought that up because we don't have the other guys here from the other perspective.
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So I do want to touch on as much as we can the other perspective and how they see things.
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So how do they view the Antichrist? Well, I mean, are you just talking about the general premillennial dispensational view?
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Right. Yeah. Just the general view. Again, they see them as generally a political figure, a political figurehead, right, that has major influence across the board.
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Right. And that's that that's the whole idea of the one more government and the mark of the beast.
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And it all ties in together in the premillennial. I'm sorry I had my hands up here.
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That was the wrong place to have them. It all ties in with the premillennial dispensational view.
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And again, if you if a person
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I mean, a reasonable person is not just is not a postmillennialist.
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It's not an amillennialist or a premillennial dispensationalist.
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A reasonable person will just again go to the text. Let's see what the text says.
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And if and if after having gone to simply the text that you pointed us to right there in First John, I mean, that that is it is plain and clear that within that generation, that was the whole of Christ's preaching.
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That was a whole of Christ's issue with the scribes and the Pharisees. I mean, in Luke, when when they attributed the work of God to the work of the devil, right, that was a sin of blasphemy.
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And that's the first instance in Luke's gospel where Jesus said, this is an evil generation.
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This is a wicked generation in relation to the religious leaders.
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Yeah, that's right. All right.
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Let's move on to to verse twenty seven. Excuse me. Verse twenty seven, for just as lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so shall the coming of the son of man be.
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So there's very speaking of his coming, answering their question directly. And we talked about verse twenty three through twenty six is probably speaking of the type of coming or what it's not going to be a physical coming.
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Don't be looking for these physical material people. So what kind of coming is it going to be?
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So the the premillennial dispensation. Their their claim to fame is to take things literally and are they not going to be looking for lightning in the sky, lightning flashes?
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Is that what they're looking for? Yes. And I'll and I'll say this now again.
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You just tell me if if just go if you want me to not say not proceed further and I'll even say it so I don't get ahead of you.
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But but here's what I would say concerning verse twenty seven. And even verse.
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Well, really, twenty seven. Through 30, actually, you know, again, not just taking but taking a little bit at a time,
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I would say you're right here. I'm going to say this slow so people can hate me or or love me for this.
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I would say that this twenty seven through 30 is not so much about the physical coming again of Jesus Christ.
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But the physical going to heaven of Jesus Christ. All right.
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So do you want me to go on? Let us know what you're talking about. OK. OK.
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So if it's not I'm saying it in in my estimation, this is not the physical coming again of the person of Christ, but it's the physical going to heaven of Christ because.
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OK, so the first statement, verse twenty seven, as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the son of man be the terminology is very important.
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Right. Notice what it says. The son of man. OK. Or wherever the carcass is, the eagles will be gathered together.
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And then it goes into talking about the tribulation of those days. The sun will be dark and the moon will not give its light.
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The stars will fall from heaven. The powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then it says in verse 30, then the sign of the son of man will appear in heaven and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and they will see the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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Now. The list, if someone's paying attention, they would say, see, it says he's coming, right?
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He's coming in great power and glory, right? It's a physical coming, not a physical going. However, the terminology that you use there, the son of man, if we understand it in context of the
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Old Testament scriptures, because this is a reference back to Daniel. This is where we were talking about earlier.
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This is that reference back to Daniel. Daniel, was it Daniel chapter seven?
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Daniel seven. Daniel seven. Jesus tells us where to go in verse 15, spoken through Daniel.
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See, again, the plain reading of the text. However, it's so much trouble to do that.
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We just want to be told what's right and what's wrong. But in chapter in Daniel chapter seven, so we see
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Daniel having the vision of four beasts, right? Just to summarize it. What were the four beasts?
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The four beasts each was different from the other. The first was like a lion, had eagle's wings.
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After this, I looked and there was another like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird, right?
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So the lion had wings, the leopard had wings. Where was the third one?
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Did I miss that? Oh, the second beast. It was raised up on one side and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth, right?
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So it was like a bear, right? Right. Right. Okay. So we've got the lion, the bear and the leopard.
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After this, I saw in the night visions, verse seven, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong and had huge iron teeth.
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It was devouring, breaking pieces, trampling upon the residue with its feet. And there were in this horn were eyes, the eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth speaking pompous words.
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And then verse nine is where it picks up. I watched till thrones were put in place.
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So he's seeing these powers, so to speak, these animals, these beasts.
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And I'll be honest with you, for me, I still haven't personally grasped the views of the four beasts and so on and so forth.
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But as we read on, it says, I watched till thrones were put in place and the ancient of days was seated.
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So we have to ask ourselves here, who is the ancient of days? That would be the father.
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That would be the father. That would be God, right? His garment was white as snow. The hair of his head was like pure wool.
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His throne was a fiery flame, its wheels a burning fire. A fiery stream issued, came forth before him and a thousand thousands ministered to him.
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Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. So this is almost mirroring what we see in the book of Revelation.
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The man, the number which no man can number, right? Worshipping before the throne. So at Ligonier .org,
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this is, is that all right if we go to that for a second? Absolutely. Because I want to read this commentary.
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So if your watchers want to go just Google Daniel's vision of the son of man, go to the
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Ligonier link on that and go to about seven paragraphs down. The paragraph that begins with this, the coming of one like the son of man to the ancient of days.
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That was in verse 13 and 14, which I didn't read that.
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I was watching in the night vision. Behold one like, and it says the son of man, right?
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These references are, are key because we, we, you know, we in understanding them in a lot of this
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Old Testament. So I was watching in the night visions, Daniel said, and behold, one like the son of man coming with the clouds of heaven.
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And there's an exclamation point in a new King James. But then notice what it says.
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What does it say there, Robert? The next sentence coming with the clouds of heaven. So what verse you in?
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Verse 13. Okay. Daniel seven. Hold with the clouds of heaven when
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I saw a man was coming and he came up to the ancient of days. Okay. So can you read that again?
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Just, just that last statement. And he came up to the ancient. He, he came up to the ancient of days.
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So this commentary here at Ligonier says this, the coming of one, like, like a son of man to the ancient of days is the climactic section of this vision.
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And it is a crucial importance. Much confusion has been caused. This is what
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Madison, Keith Madison said on the, on the, in this commentary, much confusion has been caused by the assumption that this text is a prophecy of the second coming of Christ.
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The context precludes, and I had to look up precludes because I didn't know the definition of that, but basically it makes it impossible.
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So the context precludes such an interpretation as this section of the vision begins.
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Daniel sees the ancient of days, take his seat upon the throne. The ancient of days is
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God and the scene is set in his heavenly throne room. So while Daniel himself experiences the vision on earth from his bed, the vision itself is a vision of the heavenly throne room.
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After God is seated at his throne, the court sits in judgment and the books are open.
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The fourth beast is then judged and destroyed while the remaining beasts are given a temporary reprieve.
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This sets the stage for Daniel's vision of the one, like the son of man. And then in verse 13,
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Daniel witnesses one, like the son of man come with the clouds of heaven to the ancient of days to be presented before him.
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So he said, Madison says here, the Aramaic phrase bar anosh literally translated son of man is a
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Semitism that simply means human being. So what Daniel sees then is one like a human being as opposed to another beast, right?
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Because all the other creatures he saw were weird winged creatures and bears with ribs in its mouth.
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But here he says he sees one like the son of man, plain. So this one is like the son of man comes to the ancient of days and is presented before him.
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So Madison says in closing here, the coming that is seen in this vision then is not a coming of God or a coming of one, like the son of man from heaven to earth.
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It is a coming of one, like a son of man to God, who is self is seated on his throne and the direction of the coming.
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Again, this Daniel says it plain. The direction of the coming is not from heaven, but towards heaven.
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And it is for this reason, Madison says that this vision is not a prophecy of the second coming of Jesus from heaven to earth.
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And I'll stop on that. And do you want me to stop or keep going on?
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No, keep going. Yeah, keep going. Okay. So again, just again, going to the text to verify what
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Daniel said and what Madison is saying, right? Because we want to test everything according to the scripture.
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And what I said a few minutes ago, that it was not talking about a physical coming from heaven to earth of Jesus Christ.
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He certainly is. Again, let me say that. I am in no way saying that Jesus is not physically coming again, but particularly in reference to this
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Matthew 24 text, I'm saying that this is not a physical coming from heaven to earth of Jesus again.
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This is not that, but it's the physical going from earth to heaven.
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How do we know that? What does Acts chapter 1 tell us? So Acts.
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So there's a couple of places that we could go. Number one, we could go to the transfiguration, right?
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We see the power and the glory of God as Christ is transfigured before.
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Is it Peter, James, and John, right? Yeah. But here in Acts chapter 1, if we just, just to get a little context, read from verse 4,
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Acts chapter 1, verse 4, and being assembled together with them, he commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the father, which he said, you have heard from me for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the
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Holy Spirit not many days from now. Therefore, when they come together, they asked him saying,
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Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel? I love the Lord's answer. He said, it's not for you to know the times or seasons, which the father has put in his own authority, but you shall receive power when the
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Holy Spirit has come upon you. And you shall be witnesses to me in Jerusalem and in all
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Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth. Now, when he had spoken these things, while they watched, he was taken up.
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And I would venture to say any translation, New King James, ESV, whatever, it's going to say a cloud received him out of their sight.
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The son of man, right? Coming in great power and glory.
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Where is he coming to? He's coming to the ancient of days. And what does the ancient of days declare in Matthew 28, not 18.
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Jesus declares concerning what the father has said, all authority is given to me, where in heaven and on earth.
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I mean, it is beautiful, Robert, when you think about it. I mean, it's beautiful. Makes me want to cry.
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It's so, that's what's so fascinating about this interpretation or this eschatology, this view of interpreting scripture is we want to understand scripture in this context.
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We want to let scripture interpret scripture. We believe that scripture is consistent, that it makes sense, it's logical.
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And so when you do that, when you let scripture cover scripture, when you read it in its context, it fits together.
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It's logical. It makes sense. And so, you know, Jesus tells us to go to Daniel. We go to Daniel and we see the wording.
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He, and behold, with the clouds of heaven, like the son of man coming up to the age of the ancient of days.
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Well, Daniel tells us what, you know, that what coming means in Matthew 24, coming up.
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And then you have the fulfillment of it that you just read in Acts with the same language. And then, you know, if you'll notice in verse seven of Acts one, it is not for you to know the times or the epochs or the seasons with with his own authority.
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Sounds familiar. Sounds like, um, 37 for the, uh, verse 36.
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But of that day and hour, no one knows. I mean, you just follow the trail. Um, it's, they're not different, you know, um, they're not different, um, occasions.
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They're not talking about different, um, events. I mean, just follow the breadcrumbs, follow the trails and Jesus tells us what he's talking about.
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And it's so, uh, so wonderful. So wonderful. Amen. Keep my
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TV. Oh, I got excited too. And I keep my
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TV. So yeah. And if anybody has any questions, um, we did have a comment or question.
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I think it's a question because they asked the question mark on there. Um, and I don't know if you can see it.
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They ask, they are saying it's a prophecy about Jesus resurrection. Um, I w
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I would say no, not in this particular, uh, passage. Um, as brother
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Claw was talking about, um, Jesus is speaking of his ascension, not his resurrection.
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Correct. Correct. Can you see the questions? Yes. I clicked on the comment section there.
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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So yeah. Ascension. Yep. That's what he's talking about.
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So, um, just briefly, um, so that we don't belabor this or spend too much time on it.
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Um, if you start back in verse 27 and the same is true for 29, you have, you have language there and let me make this comment.
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Um, and, and I kind of, I made a, uh, offhanded comment just a few minutes ago.
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Um, and I, and I apologize if I said it and maybe offended, um, any of my brothers or sisters that, that do believe in the, um, pre -millennial dispensational view.
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Um, I made the comment, I said, um, their claim to fame is, is to take the
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Bible literally. And we appreciate that characteristic of them, uh, because we, we do the same thing.
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Um, in love, I would say that we, um, and, and I believe that Claude would agree with me that, that we hold a more consistent understanding of what literal means.
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Um, I get my definition. Um, I appreciate Gary DeMar's definition. He says literal means, uh, according to the literature.
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So if it's, um, if it's symbolic, we take it literally as symbolic language.
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We don't try to make symbolic language, you know, literal events.
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Like we're not, we're not looking for a beast with 10 heads just so that we can claim to be literal.
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We, we take it literally according to the literature. Um, let me read this question. Do you believe the whole
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Bible is 100 % true? That's a good question. I'm going to put that up. Um, do you believe the whole
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Bible is 100 % true scripture word of God with no lies or false books? What do you think
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Claude? Yes. Okay, good. We don't have to break fellowship. Except I really don't like the book of Hezekiah chapter two verse four.
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That was a joke. That was a joke. There is no book of Hezekiah. Yeah. Yeah.
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So, but, but yes, my answer is yes. And my answer will be yes too. Um, and we may,
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I don't know what that emoji is. Maybe a laughing face emoji, but that's okay. You know, if you disagree, that's fine.
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Uh, that's what we believe. And we could, if you have any questions about why we believe that we would take time to, to, to the best that we could to answer those questions.
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But do you believe the whole Bible is 100 % true scripture, the word of God with no lies or false books?
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Yes. Um, it's because that we believe that's the character and nature of the
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God who gave us the Bible. So, I mean,
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I'll, I'll just read his comment and, and he or she is welcome to their opinion. We have a viewer that says,
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I think Paul is a false apostle. I think revelation and John are false. I think Ezekiel is false. Okay.
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Um, we, I don't want to get too far down the rabbit trail, but, um, you're, you're welcome to your opinion and thank you for sharing and being a part of the podcast tonight.
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We appreciate it. Um, but getting back to home, getting back on with us because we're, we're going to be, uh,
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I'm going to be talking about revelation here in a minute. Uh, yeah, please stay with us.
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We would appreciate you stay with us, uh, staying with us. Um, going back to verse 27 and taking it literal.
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Um, you look at the language, um, and that's why that goes back to what we were talking about earlier.
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Um, starting with the Old Testament, this is Old Testament judgmental language.
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Um, life comes from the East and flashes. Um, this language is used when, when
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God is, is, um, proclaiming judgment on his people that, um,
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I'm so glad that you said that Robert. Yeah, that's very important because that's what, that's what this, this passage is in forward is about.
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It's about God's judgment. Right. Right. Now here, verse 28 is kind of right in the middle of, um, the, the coming of the son of man.
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He says, wherever the corpse is there, there, the vultures will gather. Um, now it's gotta be symbolic.
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It's gotta be, you know, figurative language here. Uh, what do you think he's talking about? All right.
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So, uh, where the carcass is that the Eagles will be gathered together or, or your translation where, where the corpse is, right?
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What translation are you using? Um, the older NASB. I like that.
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I like that. But for wherever the corpse is there, the Eagles will be gathered together again in understanding what you just laid the foundation for that this is judgment language.
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So what we have to ask ourselves is where else do we read about a phrase like this being used, right?
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Where, where, where, where else in the, in the literature of the scripture, do we hear this language talked about?
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Well, if you turn to revelation chapter 19 and, um, would it be okay if we just, again, a little context read from verse nine through, uh, verse 21,
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Robert. Absolutely. Revelation chapter 19,
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I think, okay. Um, verse nine beginning there. And we'll read verse 21, which is the last verse in that chapter.
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Okay. Right. Again, because scripture interprets scripture, right? We, if we're going to have an understanding of that, we, we got to find the, the other literary examples in the text itself.
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So here we go on verse nine. Um, so John is writing, okay.
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And he says this, then he said to me, right. Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the lamb.
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So if we stop there, right. As Christians, generally we hear that we hear this terminology, this term used, and we say, yes, right.
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We, we say, I can't wait to go to the marriage supper of the lamb. And so he said to me, these are the true sayings of God.
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I fell at his feet to worship him. Uh, so this is the angel, right.
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Talking to John, but he said to me, see that you do not do that. I'm your fellow servant.
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I got a buddy. We got a buddy. We go to Thursday night Bible study with he is country is all get out.
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But I, he, I love it. His, uh, uh, his retelling of this verse, he said, just get, what are you doing?
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Get up. So, so the angel says, see that you do not do that. I'm your fellow servant in your, in of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus, or he points him to God.
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He said, worship God for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. That's a whole nother truth right there.
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But, but then notice in verse 11, now I saw heaven hope open and behold a white horse.
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And he who sat on him was called faithful and true. And in righteousness, he judges and makes war.
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His eyes were like a flame of fire and on his head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except himself.
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He was clothed in a robe dipped in blood and his name is called the word of God.
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So that word again, this judgment language, right? A robe dipped in blood and the, in the armies in heaven clothed in fine linen, white and clean followed him on white horses.
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Now out of his mouth goes a sharp sword that with it, he should strike the nations.
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So we're seeing judgment right here. He himself will rule them with a rod of iron.
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He himself treads the wine press of the fierceness and wrath of almighty God. So what did
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Jesus do? He took the wrath of God, right? And he has on his robe and on his thigh name written king of Kings and Lord of Lords.
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And then I saw an angel standing in the sun. He cried with a loud voice saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, come and gather together for the supper of the great
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God that you may eat the flesh of Kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.
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And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth. So the beast that's referenced to Rome, the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against him who sat on the horse and against his army.
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Then the beast was captured and with him, the false prophet who works signs in his presence by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast.
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Again, I know we're getting into a lot, but just to read that there and those who worshiped his image, these were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone and the rest were killed with the sword, which proceeded from the mouth of him who sat on the horse and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
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Judgment, that's again, because if we're reading, you know, we're reading scripture in line with itself.
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It's not talking about a future time. It's talking about that coming judgment on Jerusalem and the siege and how
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God was going to destroy them all. So here in Matthew 24 -28, where the carcass is, where the corpse is, the eagles are going to be gathered together.
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I mean, it's scary how straightforward it is.
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So if we ask the question on the internet, where can I get a good commentary on Matthew 24?
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Well, you have one at the back of your Bible. That is great,
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Robert. I mean, that's amazing. That's amazing. Yeah. Scripture interpreting scripture.
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Wow. Praise God. And I mean, so again, like you said, that again, verse by verse there, it's just, it's couched right there.
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So if we just take it like it's given to us, right? We can't eat what's not on the fork or on the spoon.
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We just take it, whatever's on the fork and whatever's on the spoon and we go with it. Now, you'll have to wrestle us through verse 29 there, brother.
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That's really, we've been, what, an hour now. That'd be an awful lot to take on right there.
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Well, we can, we can stop right there. Again, verse 29 is, is more
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Old Testament language. You know, going back to the, the taking things literally, but immediately after here's a,
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I get ahead of myself and then I want to go back. Verse 29, but immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be dark.
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Now, tell me if I'm wrong. If you're looking at the, the premillennial dispensational view, you're looking for a up and coming rapture event and then the tribulation, correct?
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Yes. Because the premillennial dispensational view teaches that the church will be taken out before the tribulation.
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Yeah. But verse 29 says, but immediately after the tribulation, then the sun will, so it kind of, it doesn't fit their timeline.
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The language doesn't. That's correct. I would agree with you. I would agree a hundred percent there. So, so how do you feel?
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Do you want to, you want to press pause there and come back on verse 29? If you're good with pressing pause.
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Okay. I'm good with it. I'm good with it. Cause 29 is more that Old Testament language and it's, we've got some good verses to look at with that as well.
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And you pretty much covered verse 30. So yeah, let's stop there and we'll, we'll pick up in verse 29 next time.
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And let me share this with you. I know that they're, I'm going to,
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I'm going to read these comments real quick because I think this is coming from YouTube and I don't have the comments on, on YouTube.
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So once we end the live, the comments will be gone. And I just want to see if there's anything here that we may want to touch on.
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All right. Sorry for the dead air. I just wanted to, to give this folks some, some time because they took some time to, to write some comments.
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I wanted to, to read them before they, they disappeared. And I, and I appreciate your opinion and thank you for sharing.
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We really appreciate it. So we just want to share what the
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Lord has been teaching us. And hopefully it was encouraging to you and it gives you something to think about, even though you may have a different view than we do.
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Um, there, well, there's, it says, it's okay if you don't want to respond. Just my opinion. Um, you, you have a lot there.
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Um, the angel in the verse is inconsistent with the angel of the old
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Testament. The, in the old Testament, angels always said, be not afraid, but the angel revelation kind of instills more fear saying, don't do that.
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Um, and I could have, Robert, I could have misspoken there saying, cause
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I think I did say that, that, that was an angel there. So that could be my fault.
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Just miscommunicating. Let me look to make sure. Go ahead.
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Well, you know, we, we believe that the Bible is 100 % true.
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We believe it's consistent. Um, and it depends on the mission. Um, you know, the, the
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God of the old Testament is the God of the new Testament, uh, depends on the mission that he sent, you know, the word angel means messenger.
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And that depends on the message that he sent them to give, um, depends on the circumstance.
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So, um, I'm, I'm not exactly sure, um, which, what they're referring to.
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Um, well, I think, I think what dirty varmint is, uh, saying, by the way, that's the, that's the watchers name, dirty varmint.
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I'm not calling somebody a name. That's what he says. Right. Dirty varmint.
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I will say this, that's, that is a cool handle for you to have here, a
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YouTube handle. Us country folks understand varmints. Um, so, um, but, um, you know,
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I, that, again, that was probably my fault, Robert, um, in, in stating what I said earlier, because, you know, and I gave the example of my friends, uh, retelling of that, you know, what are you doing?
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Get up, you know, but I, I, I did physically, or I did literally say that this was not, um, or that that was an angel.
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So, uh, I, I could have misspoken. I mean, obviously because of what they said, if we go back on verse 10, see that you do not do that.
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I'm your fellow servant and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. So it obviously had to be a saint because angels don't have the quote unquote testimony of Jesus.
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Right. Right. Because they, they can't identify with being lost and being saved.
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Right. So, so who, whoever it was that said that I should not have interjected that that was an angel.
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I should have just read the text and shut my mouth. Hey, that's exactly like I said, uh, before we come on the air, um, we are all to misspeak and mistakes, but you know, we, we give each other grace.
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Um, we're none of us are perfect, but thank you for that correction. And, and just the correction there on the comment, um, in the old
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Testament angels always said, be not afraid. Um, I remember in the new
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Testament, um, when the angel comes to, you know, to Mary and Joseph and tells them, be not afraid and enter the shepherds, be not afraid.
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So that's, that's in the new Testament too. Um, and I don't know the references in the old
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Testament that they might be thinking about. Um, I don't like that description of the wedding feast and revelation.
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Part of the reason I don't believe that book. Um, well we don't, uh, from the partial predisposition, we don't believe that there's going to be a future, uh, wedding feast of the lamb, uh, or marriage supper of the lamb.
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We believe that it's happened. And, um, this is, this is another one.
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Um, like you with the, with the beast, uh, I'm not fully, um, versed in, but it, my understanding is it's something that has happened and happening.
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Our fellowship with him now is the marriage supper of the lamb. Is that correct? Um, well, um,
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I wouldn't say yay or nay. I would just say from the reading of the text that the, the idea of the marriage supper of the lamb, uh, taken out of context is the view that of most
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Christians, but it kind of defines itself there because he says, blessed are they who are invited to the marriage supper of the lamb.
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And then this is the supper of God. So yeah, that's, yeah, that's too much for me to even get my mind.
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But we definitely agree that it's not some future. Right. Right.
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Okay. Right. Because it's all wrapped up in the judgment coming upon Jerusalem. Right. This is one major contradiction, contradiction of verse 29, 29.
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Hang on until the next episode for 29. We'll, we'll handle them contradictions. Tune in. Good answer.
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Jesus said, beware of the yeast of the scribes. A scribe is someone who writes scripture.
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I think Jesus basically said there would be false books in the Bible. Literally. Um, beware of the scribes and Pharisees.
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Is that not the verse beware of the scribes and Pharisees that was actual offices that he was referring to.
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Is that correct? Yeah. And a scribe a scribe's job was basically to, to copy the scriptures, right.
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And to make accurate copies, copies of copies of copies. So, um, yeah.
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Um, so when he said, I think, uh, uh, I think Jesus basically said there'd be false books in the
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Bible, literally. So I would just flat out say, no, there's nowhere where Jesus assumed that there would be false books in the script, in the
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Bible itself. So. Right. Right. And, and he, he referred to the old Testament as if it was scripture, as if it was
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God's word, as, as if it was true. Um, yes. So in a scribes, from my understanding, they had stringent rules, uh, in, in how they copied and, um, the process that they lived by in, in making those copies, they were very stringent.
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Um, and yes, Paul, Paul was a Pharisee. And he said, if I had earthly reasons to brag, that would be one of them, but he counts it all, all his loss.
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That's right. All his loss to know Christ. That's exactly what he said.
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He said, if any of anybody has a reason to, to boast in their self -righteousness, it's me.
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Cause I was, I was born a fair or born a Hebrew, uh, circumcised on the eighth day of the tribe of Benjamin, a
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Pharisee of Pharisees is what he said, I believe is the terminology he used. He said, but all those things
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I count as loss. I mean, basically he said, I repented of my good works because my good works weren't what was going to save me.
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It is the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ that saves the sinner.
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Well, I think we want to, uh, dirty varmint. Um, again, thank you for your comments.
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Um, I'm going to write that last comment down and we'll save it for next time so that we can wrap things up.
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Um, Ezekiel. I'll take a picture or screen or take a picture and send it to you.
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Okay. Fantastic. So we're going to, we're going to hang on to that, that comment and we're going to, we're going to look at it next time as we started
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Matthew 24, 29 next time. But before we go, thank you dirty varmint for watching and asking your questions and interacting with us.
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I believe Jesus taught repentance for, you know, sins, not sacrifice. Amen. We believe
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Jesus taught repentance as well. And that's what I was going to talk about. And, and that's a good place to end it.
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