Should Christians Move to Red States?

Opening Banter and Introductions

Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Conversations That Matter podcast. I'm your host, John Harris, as always, and here with my good friend, Joel Webben. We have been on each other's podcast a number of times, so I don't know that he needs much of an introduction, but he's a pastor, he's an author, he's a podcaster.

Are you a super intendant of a Christian school too? Is that one of your habits?

I'm on the board. Lord willing, we'll be launching St. George Classical Academy in the fall of 2024. So I'm not the tip of the spear with that endeavor, but I'm involved and certainly see it as a commendable project.

Are you? So that's St. George as in St. George and the dragon.

Yeah, exactly. It's I mean, there is a historical St. George within, you know, Catholic tradition, but it's it's more of the Knights of the Red Cross King Arthur that we're we're using the mythical St. George that basically the whole idea is that like he goes up against this, you know, juggernaut of a dragon and gets defeated.

And then, you know, but in God's providence, he falls under this tree and that has a healing balm, you know, kind of thing and is revived. And then instead of just walking away with his life and saying, thank goodness, I'll never do that again, he faces the dragon again, falls into a river that has healing properties.

And the damsel in distress is not just a damsel in distress, but she's praying for him. You know, it's very Christianized and it's her prayers and God's providence and nature and creation, even the cosmos working with them.

And eventually, basically, you know, he defeats the dragon. But it's more than just that. It's that the dragon is terrorized because the dragon in his perception is I'm 10 times the size of this little puny knight.

But this is the immortal knight. It's the knight that will never stop coming. And so, you know, raising little, you know, little knights that that are outmanned in many ways, David versus Goliath. But but they'll.

Never stop coming. I love that. That's great symbolism. So people can find if they don't already know your podcast on YouTube, I assume iTunes as well. Right Response Ministries. You came out with a book recently.

Here it is. It's called Flight by Flight. And I was talking to you before we started recording. I said, hey, I thought this book was like I just come out or was coming out. But apparently it's been out since it looks like late April, according to Amazon here.

But may I guess is when when you could probably get it. And you can go to Amazon. Is that where you want.

People to go if they want to purchase this? Yeah, they can get a cheaper copy. I think it's three dollars cheaper if they go to Right Response Ministries dot com. Right Response Ministries dot com. But if they go to Amazon, that helps.

But it depends on who you are. If you hate me and hate the concept, then go to Right Response Ministries dot com and appreciate the discount. If you like the concept and you support the endeavor, then go to Amazon and leave me a positive review because it's half and half right now.

It's like there's no four star, three star to it's just five star, one star because it's a polarizing, you know, polarizing. Well, that's what I want to talk.

About. And one of the reasons I was like I wanted to have you on anyway to talk about the book when it came out. But I guess that was my fault. I missed that somehow. And so then when I saw the controversy over the last few days, I thought, well, I need to have you on now to talk about it.

Why Christians Move from Blue States to Red States

Let's start with just the positive message here, though. What were you trying to communicate to Christians in general? I'm assuming that's your audience about the we talked about the great sword in this podcast before people from red states move or sorry, blue states moving to red states or blue areas moving to red areas.

Why are you advocating that? Why do you want.

Christians to be part of that? Well, because I think on I'm arguing from a national standpoint, but on a global stage, I think that that's precisely, you know, not there's no singular cause, but I think it's one of many factors of precisely why we're in the trouble that we're currently in.

So the SBC would be a great example. I think they sacrifice their kids on the altar of global missions. I really do. I think that that modern evangelicalism, certainly the boomer generation for the last, I would say the last 60 years or so, it has been very, very popular to go in the name of being a missionary, in the name of evangelism, to send your dollars, your resources, you know, all these different things to places that are unreached to places that are godless.

So like the subtitle of the book, Fight by Flight, why leaving godless places is loving godless places. And there are a host of exceptions that we can get into. Missionaries is a legitimate biblical category.

My problem is that the sentiment that says, well, everyone's a missionary. Yeah, all Christians should faithfully do the work of an evangelist. But that line, it sounds good. That's a boomer line. You know, everyone's a missionary.

It sounds good. And there is a truth in it. That's why it does sound good. But there needs to be a bifurcation between capital M missionary proper and the normative Christian life of doing the work of an evangelist wherever God in his providence has stationed you.

Those are not the same things. If everyone's a missionary, then why doesn't, why doesn't NAM fund anyone who makes a profession of Christ to go and be a missionary? Right. And I guess they do, you know, sadly, but you know, like that, that, I mean, of course we have categories here of thinking of, yeah, the normative Christian life, being a missionary and evangelist where you are versus this mentality of going into dark, godless places.

And all I'm arguing is that for that second category, missionary proper, capital M, just like being a pastor, I think that there are some clear biblical criteria. That's not for your average normie Christian.

That is for a high character, high competency, a high gifting individual who's been uniquely equipped by God to go to a place like the Sudan, to go to some of these godless, progressive, difficult places and, and that not every Christian should be doing that.

But yet we have 16, for instance, just California, where I came from, 16 million professing Christians in California. My whole assertion is that out of those 16 million Christians, professing Christians in California, 42 million total population.

I don't think that even 90 of those 16 million meet the Bible's criteria for being a missionary and that they and their children, their families would fare well better. And even the global advance of Christ would be better off if they would momentarily and tactically retreat from the mission field and find a place where they can raise their kids in the fear and admonition of the Lord.

That's the premise. So, man, there's so much to talk.

About here. And there's some common sense though. I just want to emphasize that. It just seems like it's common sense. You're saying, take your family to a place where you can protect them better from not just even the spiritual dimension.

And of course these things are related, but the crime and just the physical things that are going to impose themselves on children who live or grow up in a godless place. So that just seems like it's good parenting, right?

It's good stewardship and responsibility. There there's going to be, maybe we'll jump to this first. I was going to save this for last, but I think it just is naturally flowing in our podcast. There's, you have, you're talking about 16 million Christians in California.

Professing. All right. Okay, sure. Yeah. We'll say let's just pretend they're all at least cultural Christians, even if they're not all saved, they at least respect the Bible or something. So you take that number.

Where do you dump them? Because these are, they're also Californians. They're not just Christians that they have a certain way of living, talking, thinking, ways of life, patterns, you know, traditions.

And if you put them in Idaho, you overwhelm the population of Idaho, right? If you put them in South Carolina, you overwhelm the population in these areas. So like, like explain to me how do you preserve cultural stability in certain regions.

While advocating the, the, this reshuffling? Right. Well, a lot of my argument you know, I opened the book by talking about the California dream. And so I, you know, I talk about how, you know, the gold rush historic California dream was a psychological thrust that you could, you know, manifest destiny that you can move from sea to shining sea to the West coast, the Pacific ocean and strike it rich, right.

That you could gain, you could gain something, you know, that's tangible in terms of monetary increase. You know, you could be rich, but you could also gain notoriety and fame and those kinds of things.

And I'm just basically arguing that the California dream, I think in many ways is still alive and well, and now it would not just be the West coast, but the East coast as well are coastal environments and cultures.

I think they still lure young people, especially with dreams and ambition and all those kinds of things saying that, you know, you can be one of the tech giants or you could work for some nonprofit, whatever, you know, and save the world.

Or you could be an actor with Hollywood or, and this is, you know, how I was brought into this, or I think that big Eva has put their own Christian missionary spin on that saying you can do urban city, you know, ministry that you can be a church planter.

And if you're going to be a church planter, Driscoll even, you know, did a lot of this. He, I mean, he was integral in this, that the pagan is the one who lives on the farm, rule ministry, right? But if you want to do real Christian ministry, you go to the city, you go to Seattle.

And, and so my point is that, you know, for me, I, I was born and raised in Texas to get to your question. I was born and raised in Texas, but I wanted to do something big for God, right? I wanted significance.

And I look back now and I realize that I think there were some genuine motives and certainly God was sovereign and all of it, but there were also that there was, there was sin. There were some sinful motives as well that I, you know, it was kind of like the, the, the rite of passage within the Messiah tribe, you know, that you got to go off alone.

You're becoming a man and with your wits and a spear, and you got to kill a lion and the bigger the lion, the bigger the man. And, and I think that that has been in evangelicalism with, with global missions, with church planting you go into a big city.

And if you, if you can plant a church that that's already, you know, saying something, cause it's hard to plant a church, but if you can plant a church in this blue progressive city on the East coast or the West coast, then man, you made it.

And you're good. You're the guy who's going to be invited to speak at the conference. You're the guy who's going to have notoriety. And so my whole thing was, I wasn't just going as a Californian to Texas.

I was a Texan going back home, realizing that I made it. So a lot of what I'm advocating for is sure guys who were born and raised in California, their kids are actually in danger because of whatever particular city then sure.

I think you should consider a move. But a lot of what I'm arguing are people who are in some of these blue cities, blue States godless places that actually were raised in the Midwest, in the South that were raised in flyover country, right.

That that moved to these places because of someone like Driscoll or Tim Keller, or they did it to be a missionary, but, but their family's suffering. And, and it's not really, it's not really accomplishing what they thought it would.

Yeah, that's a really good point. I didn't even think of that, but you're, you're right in California. And I'm, I was born there. My parents are from California. We have, you know, actors aren't a big deal when you're out there.

Everyone else gets kind of like stars in their eyes, but when you live there, that becomes a common thing. And, and the people who do come out that are waiting tables at the restaurant you go to, to eat at, they have aspirations of being an actor like 80 of the time.

Right. And they're just doing this until they can meet that goal. At least if you're in LA County. Um, so I think you're right. There's a lot of people there who are from other places and, and that's certainly a worthy cause to get them to think about maybe you've left your roots somewhere else.

Maybe there's somewhere where it's a, it's a better, more safer, but also just, there's a richer heritage to give your children. If you go back. Um, what about though, the people who are genuinely Californian?

I mean, they've been there for a while. Let me give you an example of this to make it concrete. I was in Alabama and, um, this wasn't a California thing. This is more of a, um, this was someone from Michigan, right?

Who was conservative, voted red thought Michigan's going off the deep end. I'm going to move to Alabama where people think like me, right. And politically they vote, they voted for Trump. I voted for Trump.

I have more in common with them. So there's this small town in Alabama and this guy gets on the board, the town board. And, um, and he's a conservative. So he thinks it's going to go smoothly. Well, he becomes one of the biggest, like, um, I guess enemies of the people, the conservatives who were there before, because he's thinking in terms of what's good for business, let's do what's good for business.

And the people in Alabama are thinking, let's do what's good for our people or our tradition or our area. We don't want the big one. Right. And so it's this conflict of like, they actually have different versions of conservatism that's creating like a problem.

So I know there's like probably a hundred examples of similar things. Um, what advice do you give to someone who genuinely is Californian? Should they, let's say, go to Texas and like, let's just impose our, our California ways, even if we're conservative, or should they instead try to integrate and learn from and become part of the communities they're in?

Yeah, they should. Absolutely. If you're going to move, um, you need to take some time. You need to sit a couple of plays out and take some time and see what the Lord is doing in this place that you just arrived in 15 minutes ago.

God, you know, God has been doing something long before you showed up. And, um, and so, yeah, you should take note of that, but I'm not going to say that, um, well, you know, if you're born and raised in California and California is going to hell in a handbasket, and it's taking a toll financially, politically, culturally on your family and your children.

Well, because, you know, in the sovereignty of God, you were born in California, then you must stay in California because that would be, you know, a cultural appropriation to move to Texas. Um, no, that I'd like, I mean, that, that's the whole story of our nation.

That, that is America is that people moved here that were born and raised in God's providence somewhere else. And there were people living, I mean, John, you know, this better than anyone. There were people living in America and we came in, you know, and, and so, um, I think that that's perfectly appropriate.

Um, it should be done well. And, and I think that the Puritans and the founders and covenanters did do it well, that they, uh, that they tried to come in and learn from indigenous people and to partner with them and not be violent, all these kinds of things.

Unfortunately, it wasn't always mutual and, uh, and there were some wars and things like that. And then a lot of things have just been exaggerated by all the woke guys who, you know, who just hate white people.

But all that being said, same principle applies, whether it's coming from Europe, you know, to America or whether it's coming from California to Texas. Um, same thing applies. Is it a one? Yeah. Come humbly, uh, come to learn to though.

Um, you are allowed to come. I think that biblically speaking, I just want to, you know, not just start with the practicals, but start with the biblical premise. Um, fleeing is a thoroughly legitimate biblical category.

You are allowed to flee from persecution and especially, and just for the record, we're not just talking about some single 24 year old white guy, um, who's, who doesn't have a wife and doesn't have family.

And, and he's fleeing, uh, with his tail between his legs just to, um, to secure his own personal safety. Not even that that would be inherently wrong. I'm not saying that that would be wrong, but primarily what I'm talking about, the premise in this book is I'm talking about husbands, fathers who represent households, wives, and children, um, who are not running for the sake of their own individual safety, but they're running in a moral obligation to their duty to protect and provide for their families.

That's I, I, I just, I, I have a hard time, um, saying that, that that is not biblically permissible, but I'll tell you who doesn't have a hard time saying that that's not biblically permissible. A few guys on Twitter.

Persecution, Fleeing, and the Apostolic Pattern

Yeah.

Well, let's talk about that. Let's go to that right now. Um, so this is the first one. This is, uh, that I saw at least from Nathaniel Jolly, who, uh, I know he's affiliated with G3. I think he's a pastor in Alaska, which is a red state.

And he says, Christians have always gone into godless areas to proclaim the gospel. This is what real Christians do. This modern idea of retreating from blue States is nothing more than a modern day version of monasticism.

We are called to be salt and light, not huddle in safe cities. And then he says, that doesn't mean there aren't cases where it is not wise for a family to move, but this should not be the Christian mentality in general.

Just imagine if missionaries had this attitude, imagine if the apostles had this attitude, you and I may not have come to know Christ. So, um, so you're trying to prevent people from, uh, coming to know Christ there, Joel.

Right. Well, yeah, it's just, it's funny because the apostles kind of did have this attitude. Um, yeah, sure. Um, the 12 remained in Jerusalem. Uh, but the apostle Paul literally said, I'm no longer going to minister to the Jews because, because one, they've hardened their hearts and unbelief and have rejected their Messiah.

Um, and I'm hoping to rouse them to a godly jealousy by ministering among the Gentiles. Uh, but it wasn't just that it was also that, uh, the Jews continually and relentlessly persecuted Paul. Was he persecuted by, by Gentiles?

Yeah, but not like the Jews. And so Antioch, the whole idea of Antioch, if you look at the book of Acts, the first half of the book, the first 15 chapters, give or take is following Peter, primarily Peter.

And, um, and the central stage is Jerusalem. Uh, but the, the whole second half now it switches from Peter to Paul. And now the epicenter has switched from Jerusalem to Antioch. Um, why? Uh, because, because they, uh, cared about every tribe, tongue and nation because they wanted to be, uh, culturally and ethnically diverse because that's, you know, if I was still in Acts 29, that's the sermons that I used to hear at the conferences there.

Um, but, uh, what, what I would say instead of that is that, yes, we do want to win, um, every tribe, tongue and nation, but, but the main thing that got people into Antioch is that Antioch actually had on the books.

Um, it had some provisions for worship. It had a certain allowances to where they would not be persecuted to the same degree as Christians were being persecuted by the Judaizers in Jerusalem. And, and so the reason why, why they went to Antioch was in the province of God, God used persecution to push them out.

And so the irony, um, is that I would actually say that persecution historically using the apostles as a case study and not just them, but then the Puritans and all a whole manner. I mean, a litany of examples throughout the last 2000 years of biblical and, and church history, uh, God has used persecution as one of his chief providential instruments, um, for missionaries for getting the gospel out for, uh, the spread of the gospel all the, all around the world.

And it's literally one of the commands of Jesus. Jesus does not, uh, he commends martyrdom. He does not commend suicide. And I think that a lot of evangelicals have, have, have blurred the lines. There is a, there, there is a, a very clear line between martyrdom and suicide.

Uh, Jesus could discern the difference. A lot of evangelicals in America today cannot discern the difference. Jesus gave express, not just allowances, but actually it wasn't just permission. It was a command.

If, if a town, uh, rejects you, they do not receive you, then shake the dust off your feet and leave that town. Now there's a whole conversation that can be had about when, when exactly has a town rejected us and how do we discern that?

And that's, that's all good and right. Um, but, but not only does Jesus allow for it, he actually, the Bible actually commands Christians to flee from persecution. The Bible commands it. Even the apostle Paul, when, when the prophetic word is given by Agabus, the whole church, and I don't think the church was wrong in this, but the whole church is saying, Paul, don't go.

If you're going to be bound hand and foot, if you're going to be persecuted, please don't go. They were weeping and breaking Paul's heart. That was the general consensus was don't do that. And I don't think it's because the church was compromised.

I don't think that this is meant to, um, to, to be a demonstration of how the whole church was in sin and that Paul was the only one that was righteous. Um, Paul was operating underneath a divine ordinance from God.

He knew that he was supposed to go, but he wasn't saying, Hey church, listen, I'm going to go because I'm on a suicide mission and you guys are compromised for not going with me. We should all be bound hand and foot.

And we should like,.

That's just not the Bible. Yeah. And Jesus escaped the Pharisees at times passing through the crowd and avoided the conflict. And so, um, so that was one of the, uh, tweets. I don't know, actually, if I have all of them queued up, you probably saw, uh, others, but, uh, the other one that caught my eye was this one from Gabriel Hughes, who's in Texas, also a red state.

Uh, and he says hearing some post-millennials telling Christians to leave blue States is kind of strange. Wouldn't post mills want to go into blue state, into those blue States and Christianize them.

And then of course, Nathaniel Jolly says, I've asked the very same question. And so, um, so, so as a post-millennialist who's very proud of that and wants to see post-millennialism, uh, kind of, uh, advocated and so forth.

I mean, is this a sneaky attempt in your book to try to get Christians to post-millennial or something? Uh, I just be curious to hear yours. Yeah. Yeah. There is a.

Section where I talk about how the shift in my eschatology also helped me to shift in, in my thinking of where I should raise my family geographically. And so, uh, eschatology, uh, influences, I believe it influences the way that we live.

Um, it's not the only common denominator though. Um, if it were then, uh, you and I would not have that much in common, but we have a ton in common. Um, and I have a lot in common with Stephen Wolf, with William Wolf, with, uh, Jeff Wright, with, uh, a lot of guys who are solid, solid brothers in Christ, um, that don't necessarily, uh, they're all millennial or they're historic pre-mill, um, or they're, you know, very, very, very, very leaky dispensational pre-mill.

And so, um, you know, and, and so I think, you know, the, the biggest common denominator is, um, in terms of who's going to fight and who's not, you know, uh, what side are you on is, um, it's just really, uh, in, in terms of your, your view of Jesus Lordship, what does it mean for Jesus to be Lord?

Um, but eschatology. So I, I say all that to say that, um, I don't want to say, I don't want to go so far cause I think I've done this and people have been rubbed the wrong way. And so I'm trying to, to auto-correct a little bit here and just say, um, yeah, eschatology is a big deal and I'm not going to stop banging that drum.

However, I just, beggars can't be choosers. We need every fighting man we can get. And so I'm going to link arms all day long with guys who aren't post-mill if they're willing to fight. And, and a lot of guys aren't post-mill and they are willing to fight.

That's it. Um, the, the way that eschatology shaped my thinking on this is that if you believe two things, if you believe that Jesus is relative, he's going to return relatively soon and, uh, that, that, uh, God has so ordained that the, the world is going to continually get worse until Jesus comes.

Then a lot of your mentality becomes, um, you know, the, the only thing that we can do with any eternal value is just snatching souls from the fire. And if that's, if that's it, uh, then why not go with the, the fire is the hottest.

Now, a lot of these guys don't actually do that and neither did I. I was a hypocrite, right? Cause I settled for California. If I really was committed, I would have gone to North Korea, right? I really was selling out if I'm going to be, you know, so I, I really Joel, just California.

I mean, Jesus is returning next Thursday. Everything's going to get worse until then starting the schools, a waste of time, right? Trying to win an election is a waste of time. The only thing that we can do is the work of an evangelist plant churches, um, and make converts.

And, uh, and we need to go where the fire is the hottest. And, uh, and if I really was going to be faithful, I should have gone to Venezuela or China or whatever. And so that's one mentality. And I do think that part of that is, is comes from eschatology, the post-mill guys.

And I, and I understand what Gabe is saying. And by the way, I like Gabe, I've had him on the show. Um, but yeah, but we would just differ theologically. And so, um, I think the reason why it seems like an irony to them or hypocrisy to them, that post mills would retreat, um, is because, because they're, they're looking at one side of post-millennial eschatology, uh, that we believe we win down here, uh, that, that we all believe Christ wins, but the post-millennial believes that Christ is going to win progressively and throughout human history, not despite, um, a weak and dying church, but through, um, an increasing building, expanding church that I think that's one of the core distinctions, but they get that they get that we believe that we win down here.

And so they're like, well, why are you retreating? The thing they don't get about the post-millennial eschatology is that 99 .9 of post-millennials do not believe that Jesus is going to return soon.

So no man knows the day or the hour, but you talk to 99 .9 of post-millennials and, uh, and they don't believe that Jesus is going to come back in our lifetime. In other words, they think that we have time.

And when you begin to think with a longer timeframe, then momentary, not forever, not indefinite, there is no true indefinite surrender, but momentary tactical retreats for a season, um, is strategic.

The thought of we're going to, we're going to pull back the troops here because we're losing on this front. And rather than just let these men die, we're going to, uh, and, and, and subject their kids, um, to godless indoctrination.

We're going to pull these troops back here and we're going to forfeit that battle for now. And we're going to pull them back. And it's not just a retreat. It's tactical, it's momentary, it's temporary, but it's also an advance to the rear because we're not just pulling these troops out to sit the bench.

We're going to pull them out here so that they can reinforce troops over there. And in this battle of bunkers hill that, that, uh, right now is, um, w it could go either way. We're barely hanging on. So like Texas is not the deep red state that it wants, wants Texas in many ways is purple.

And so the idea of, all right, we're going to get out of this blue state. We're going to go to this, not just deep red, you know, South Dakota, but this purple state and secure a win here. And then what, what someone like Gabe Hughes doesn't understand is that the post-millennial doesn't believe Jesus is coming back next Thursday.

So, so my disposition is that we'll send our grandkids back into California and then we'll go ahead and secure that also. We'll take that land also. But the last thing I'll say is an illustration that I've used is it's like fighting on, uh, you have to look at the climate, the terrain.

So if you're fighting in, in Siberia, Russia, you're fighting in a frozen tundra and, and let's say, you know, you're trying to take out, um, an army, you know, that's indigenous there. That's where they live.

That's where they're stationed, uh, stationed and, and to, to be able to fight successfully, you've had to bring in all piping, all these resources from HQ back in, you know, in a, in a place that's actually livable.

And so you've set up storehouses and you've got, you know, supplies, you've got food, you've got weaponry, artillery, all this kind of stuff in this very inhospitable climate, the, the tundra and you're fighting, let's say, you know, it's hard, right?

So you're, you're picking off, you know, uh, one or two Russians, you know, every, every couple of weeks, you know, and, and, but the rest of the time what's happening is that, you know, once, once a month or so, um, the, the, the, the, the, the enemy that you're fighting, your adversary is sacking one of your storehouses and, and stealing your supplies.

Well, you could keep staying there at a great cost, uh, with all these supplies having to be piped in, you can keep staying there and picking them off one by one. And maybe eventually over a long haul, you went, another thing you could do is you could just pack up the storehouses and go home and let the tundra kill the, the enemy.

Let, just let them start. You're actually, my point is this. Yeah, you might be fighting, but if you were willing to take a brutally honest look, um, you might realize that, that you're fighting, but your funding is, is outweighing your fighting your mere presence through, through state taxes, through this, through that, through your business.

And, and like you, you're actually in a sense, you are funding and your funding might be outweighing your fighting. What, what if, what if California could just beat California? What if instead of Christians beating California?

What if you just let Gavin, uh, uh, Gavin Newsom do it? He's been trying to destroy California for years. I'm just let him do it. Let him do what his heart desires, what he's been so diligently trying to do.

But the reason why it hasn't worked not fully, it is getting worse. Gavin Newsom is definitely putting a dent in the state, but the part of the reason that it hasn't imploded faster is because the salt of the earth are propping it up.

But, but if, if a bunch of people who fear the Lord, uh, your blue collar, hardworking salt and light people were willing just to pack it up and leave, California would, would, would implode. It would, it would be done.

And, and then we could take the reinforcements win over here, battle a Bunkers Hill, the purple thing that could go either way, like a place like Texas, um, some of these purple states, swing States, you can win here, let California beat itself and then send your children or your grandchildren back in when, when the lay of the land has changed a little bit, uh, with it, when there's actually some more opportunity and then secure a victory over here.

So the, the reason why Gabe Hughes or guys don't get it is, is they understand one side of post-millennialism, the, we went down here side. Uh, they don't understand the other side of post-millennialism.

Jesus isn't coming back next.

Week. Uh, I think that's interesting because I think it's escapism that you're, you're reacting to that. You're saying this escapist mentality, you can't have that. That's not going to work. And that would actually make sense to stay in California.

If you think that Jesus is coming back next Thursday, I suppose, because why go to all the work of packing everything up and going to another state. And I mean, so, um, I was looking for this tweet and I couldn't find it, unfortunately, but I'm just going to try to relate a concept to you if I can.

Um, I totally forgot about this until you were talking. Uh, there was a critique and it, I'm sure it was directed at you somehow, because it was in this whole, uh, controversy. Uh, but basically it was that this great sort, this national divorce language, um, that that is playing into the hands of the great reset, the WEF, they want that to happen in order to, I guess, contain us in these red areas.

That's the best I can come up with as to why someone would think that that's something they want so that they know where to track us, where to find us when it does sometime to round us up. They are not going to go to California.

They know to go to Texas because we're not, we're going to already do the sorting for them. Um, what do you have to say to that objection?

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Well, I mean, part of what I would say to that objection is, um, in true Texas fashion, come and take it. What do you mean? Like they're going to round us up, you know, they're going to round us up in this puny week, um, a little place called Texas.

Like what, what world are you living in? Um, if, if all the conservatives leave California and move to Texas, California is not going to be rounding up Texas. They can try. California will get decimated by Texas.

You take the conservatives out of California. You have no Navy. You have no military. You, you have no fighting men. You, I mean, you have women of both sexes, male and female women. That's all you got left in California.

If you take out the conservatives. So the idea that, um, that we're doing the WF's, uh, homework for them, you know, that, that we're rounding ourselves up, you know, like I'm sure somebody probably has tweeted the a Balkan, you know, Balkanizing, you know, that's, you know, like, Oh, you're, um, no, I think that that's strategic.