New Footage: Crowd Before Capitol Breach

All right guys, what's up? Welcome. We are at the Save America March Rally. There is just an absolute sea of people here right now. People are still pouring in right now here with our camera crew the Apologia Studios here with Marcus Pittman.

What's up, Marcus? How's it going? All right, so we just got here. It is cold. There is absolutely no data right now, so we can't live stream but Let's talk. All right. So first thoughts Marcus. So now as you're here.

The Crowd, National Repentance, and True Justice

Well, I think what's telling is There's a lot of people here, but it's it's they're here and I idolatry to the state also. There's I will Paula Whiteland prayer. So but but I think One of the things you see is is a real lack of national like repentance that you would hope to see.

She went up. The apostate false prophet that she is she went up. She talked about repentance.

Yeah, I think there are the repentance for them is more on repentance. We repent. The repentance is on the government. So the government is the one that it has failed us. The government is the one who has.

Or the liberals. Maybe. And the liberals are the ones who have done all this damage to our country and all these things. Whereas taking the responsibility on ourselves and say that that we've allowed it because because when Trump got an office.

You had gay marriage yet homosexuality had abortion and Trump's have been in office four years now. Stuff gay marriage. You still have homosexuality you still have abortion? So you can't get these many people out in an abortion rally.

You can get you can't get this many people. Out at a rally to ban homosexuality. Home with homosexual marriage. You can't get these many people out to do anything. Except. Praise the ruler right praise the leader of and and it's the same truth.

Same is true with liberals.

It'd be good to say as you talk about this. You voted for Trump. You want Trump to why?

Well, I mean we moved and I didn't do a mail-in back. Yeah, I would have voted for Trump I I did in 2016, but I would have in 2020 only because I thought that he was standing up. He was fighting the fight that that we need to have and he was bringing Christians Along to that fight with him.

So no, I wouldn't I wouldn't have said Trump is this great Christian leader. He's not this. I Don't even know if he fears God. But he has people around him and listens to people around him that do fear God and in a Republic.

That's good for me. Yeah, it's good for me. But the thing is the thing is like what is what is the people's motivation out here? It's just is it is it a Demand for biblical justice or is it just outrage because they know they were wronged like that's a big that's a big difference.

What do you. What do you. What do you mean? Because if people are watching this right now Obviously, this is very a different conversation. You would see on other even Independent news networks when you when you talk about.

They're not out here for biblical justice. What do you what do you mean because I mean Apollo White was out there talking about justice. Justice for all we want justice. But what do you mean when you talk about being out here for true justice?

Well true justice would be. Like in the Bible when the prophets came to get when the prophet came and they read the law to the people and all the People wept and they demanded then at the reading of the law that the law was placed over society and over government.

So here you could ask a bunch of people out here and they all have a different standard for what they believe justice is. Right. So look at all the thin blue line flags, right? So the thin blue line flags.

You know.

Accepting that police can do that sort of idea that police can do no wrong that a lot of the Injustices done by the police are okay because they're police and that's a bad guy. Versus what the Bible says about standing militaries and all as being a judgment on a nation like and first Samuel 8.

And first Samuel 8 when the people got a king. One of the thing one of the one of the warnings about that King was that there would be standing armies Right that they would come and they would they would quarter in your homes and all these sort of things.

And so so you have this and the government at that point taking 10

Yeah.

Right.

10 taxation is a judgment. So if you were to ask all these people here what their standard of justice is it would all be different. No, there'd be probably very few people that would say well, let's open up the Torah.

Let's look at the Bible. Let's see what God's law says and that'll be the standard if you ask them. It'd be interesting and maybe we should do this. We could ask them Why is election fraud wrong? Right, and if they would give you some sort of practical answer as opposed to saying well election fraud is wrong.

Cuz God is not a liar, right, right like that's a big difference lying is a sin. That's why election fraud is wrong. Not election fraud is wrong because it violates the Constitution. That'd be a big difference between.

Sort of General attitude and consensus here of the modern-day American evangelical. Versus what you were talking about even in the car on the way over the New England pulpit.

So before the American Revolution The Black Robe Regiment would preach sermons and in the sermons They would say if you're going on the battlefield, we better make sure that we're repentant. Because if we're not repent if we're not a repentant nation before we the American Revolutionary War.

Then God will use that war to judge us as a people right. So all these people want to fight they. We're filming. Sorry, we're so all these people were Before the Revolution. They they knew morally and principally from Scripture that they were right.

But a lot of people here, you know, they have like pictures of guillotines, which is a sign from the French Revolution. Which was was not the same as of the the Christian. The American Christian Revolution was was massively different than the French Revolution.

But most of the people here wouldn't be able to distinguish the two. They would just say what they just say. War is war. And oddly enough.

I'm getting a minor contact high standing here right now to someone who's smoking weed right here in this crowd. Yeah.

You know, there's a good percentage of most people don't but there's a good percentage of people here that have masks on right? It's like well, why are you complying with it? You know, if you're really against it, why are you complying rebellion?

Yeah. So like the rebellion only goes so far, you know, it's like so the question is like how much are you willing to actually?

You know.

Really fight for. You know, it's just having a mask on it says a lot. Yeah, or the people that are going into the businesses and then they have a mask on and stuff like that.

So I talked to you some more. I'm gonna grab Zach. We're talking about the American Revolution. And this is Zach Loutenschlager. Zach tell everybody who you are what you've done.

How you doing? Yeah, thank you. Zach Loutenschlager. I am political Consultant run campaigns. I'm the past vice president of the National Association for gun rights vice president of the of action for life.

Worked for over 22 years in conservative politics run over 200 campaigns. And I'm an amateur historian.

The American Revolution, Christian Foundations, and the Common Law

So, all right, so. We're talking a bit about the American Revolution is talking about sort of the context what was in the atmosphere.

Those.

People in the colonies the early Americans. What. What would you describe as some of the distinctions between sort of like they're thinking then about society culture?

Law of God.

Rule all those things versus where we're at now. What all this is about. Sure.

Well, it's important to note and to remember that when Thomas Jefferson. This is just after the Revolution he wanted to know what is the literacy rate in the United States? It was over 96 percent over 96 percent literacy rate.

So you're talking about a highly literate people. You're talking about people who were trained to read Primarily the scriptures and that's why their mothers and fathers taught them to read and so you have people who are Not necessarily highly educated in the sense that they had read all the classics.

But they knew how to read and they read their Bibles and that's an incontrovertible fact. You can look at you can read about in de Tocqueville you can read about in the early accounts and see that and it's part of the American historical record and so you have a vast number of people who understood that.

The authority of government flows from God to the people. To those who are elected and anointed to be in office. And so that's the perspective you're going to see. And then you know when you look at okay, so why does the Constitution?

For example lay out a process for elections. Why does the Constitution lay out a process for? Ranting or declaring war or for the way the Congress will run because they specifically said well What is right and the answer to that question was well what the scripture say is right?

What does the Bible say is right? It was John Adams who said that the basic principles of America are the basic principles of Scripture. This is the same thing and you know we don't have to agree with them theologically you can point out problems with Adams theology.

You can point out problems with Jefferson's theology. You can point out problems with Washington's theology. She you can point out problems with my theology. That's not the question the question is what were they saying?

And how did they apply that. What was their reference point correct. All of them correct?

And so the reference point was well. What are the immutable laws of justice as found in the Bible even those who were were less willing to profess Christ? And of course there were some. We're openly saying we want a long-standing firm foundation for American government.

What's that. The Bible. The Bible. The Bible. You know you can talk to Jeff cop but Jefferson say yeah? Well, what about where he cut out the miracles of Christ. Well he did later on he said yeah. That probably wasn't a good idea.

I was probably wrong. He admitted that I that wasn't a good idea. But even in the midst of his unbelief when he was doing that he was saying that all the rest of these moral laws. These are absolutely what is true and right.

So do we agree with him? No, you can't have the moral law without Jesus Christ. Okay, you can't. And even Jefferson recognized that eventually. But even in the midst of when he was mistaken and wrong It was still about scriptural principles.

It was still about the Bible.

So that's a that's a key issue is in the context of the American Revolution. You had the New England pulpit that have been preaching for a very long time. They had a day at a world view and understanding of justice massive influence government.

Massive. And they all even if in those days you weren't a self-professed Christian you had to go along with. All around you look the assumption of the Christian world you can look at some of the least.

Christian founders like Jefferson. And you can look at him and say what did Jefferson say? I fear for my country when I think that God is just that is justice cannot sleep forever. And you have people today with a nerve to say yeah, he was a deist.

We believe that he just won. God just wound up the universe and this isn't paying any attention. How how then could you fear a just God right? That's ridiculous, right? Or you look at Franklin. It's Well another deist right.

What does deism mean. Well deism means God wound up the universe and isn't paying any attention now. It's just running on natural. That's laughable. I have lived sir a long time and the longer I live the more convincing proofs I see that God governs in the affairs of men, right?

That's one of Franklin's most famous quotes. So it's it's absurd. It's laughable. Is America a Christian nation because everyone here is Christian. No, there's America a Christian nation because America's founders were all you know Theologically Orthodox, no.

America is a Christian nation because its foundations are based in the principles of biblical Christianity, right? You can't you can't look at the Constitution come away saying yeah, you know, that's the code of Hammurabi or whatever.

No, I'm sorry. It's not how it works, right?

It's it's it's patently obvious and one of the things I think a lot of people don't understand in terms of why it's so important to protect it is when we talk even about the Beyond the Declaration of Independence you talk about the rights that we have today the Bill of Rights a lot of people don't understand here.

Why is it so important to fight for that? Well because the Christians who gave you that right and establish those things. They had fought a lot of battles long before that in terms of a thousand years for a long time.

Yeah, and they knew what they were pointing to they understood where those standards were coming from to the degree. That's our first Supreme Court Justice John Jay when we're doing case-draw stuff based upon the mosaic law.

That's right. He's quoting explicitly. Yes from the mosaic legislation. So let's get into it. You know, you look at it you say, okay.

Where do these concepts? Why do you say, you know, that's a biblical concept. Well, who was who was the authority when they all went back and they said well, this is our legal authority. They said we're gonna go to the common law.

So we're gonna talk about Blackstone every time every time. We're gonna talk about Blackstone. Jefferson said he referred to Blackstone for the Declaration. They all acknowledged they referred to Blackstone for the for the Constitution.

This is the this is the core concept of Blackstone's law commentaries. It's a five-volume document that that puts together and says well the English common law, which is not all in one place. The Constitution isn't in one document in England and the British common law.

It's it's comes from runny meat and runs forward with all the different case laws and things over together in common practice so Blackstone put it together and he was Constantly reminding people that in order to in order to do any of this you have to acknowledge the law of God.

You have to go all the way back to Alfred and say who is the first? One of the first acknowledged kings of England right when Alfred said what will the laws be he wrote the dooms. Which were the that was the old English word for law or judgment and then at the end?

He said if anything we've forgotten you open the Bible and you apply that to whatever we missed. That's right. Okay, and so you can trace that all the all the way to Blackstone. So that's the entire English common law.

Alfred the Blackstone before the American Revolution. Blackstone says that of course you have a right to the pursuit of happiness. For no man is so happy as when he is serving God and therefore you have that you have that right?

That's Blackstone. That is the English common law. So the entire stretch and so, you know, I can appreciate the perspective that says well. Are we gonna refer the Constitution are we going to refer to God's law?

That's an odd way for me to say it because it's the same thing, right? Okay, this is they are not in competition with each other. And that's why why am I passionate about it? Because if you go right over there to the Art National Archives and you walk in there and you look at the Constitution or the Declaration.

You will see my great-great-great-great-grandpa's signature John Hart and it's there you can still read it. And so it means something the Declaration means something my grandpa was there. He signed it and then he gave his life in defense of it.

His children were scattered his wife died as the British were coming through there literally through their front doors. She died of illness. He lived outside for a year and then he died after he'd broken health.

Okay, that's the sacrifice. It means something and it is based on biblical principle. That's that's the reality.

Very important and I.

Mean.

There there's a whole history of I won't get into the whole detail of it now. Unless you want to add anything to it a whole history of what had taken place before this great American experiment, correct?

We talked about the Coven enters.

Great talk about the entire revolution the Huguenots.

Yep.

The people that came and established this and and and we have the founding fathers even quoting from the Huguenots correct as a foundational. Correct. We all respect this. This is how Christians have resisted tyranny and on what basis.

God's Word.

Yes.

Now that the challenge that I have is I wonder when we talk about where we're at right now I'm so hopeful for repentance and Reformation in our country. But I wonder right now if if with this much zeal and this much passion if we understand that our hope is first in Repentance correct and second is submission to God's Word into his law.

That's correct. That's what built this country. Yes, it was it's got more of Liberty. Yeah, God's Word was the reference point and again, even if somebody was not an outspoken self-professed Christian They understood hey, the law of the land here is Christ.

I'm living in a Christian society. That's what hovers over all of our heads even down to the colonies. I mean in terms of naming the triune God of Scripture correct people making treaties with other places naming the triune God of Scripture correct having stayed churches even yes and naming it in the year of our Lord in the year of our Lord.

Exactly. So when we talk about where how far we have come My answer is the way back is not going to be even four more years in the White House. No, the way back is gonna be repentance repentance. Faith in Christ submission to Christ into God's law.

That's correct. That's the issue here.

Yes, because that is the foundation. You can't take the Constitution to divorce it from the moral foundations the moral pillars. When when our founders said that this won't work without a moral people they weren't kidding.

Yeah, if you don't believe your word means anything.

Yeah doesn't matter. They didn't mean someone's arbitrary system of morality. No, they said religion. People that love God exactly respect his word exactly.

So, you know, we're referencing the Reformation and the what went on there. What was the question in the entire Reformation? Are you gonna be able to read the Bible? Are you gonna be able to read the Bible and interpret it and live by it yourself?

Or you're gonna have to have someone else read it to you in a language you do not understand or. And have it that they may not even understand. I mean the priests didn't read Latin either right and so you.

That was the question and so you can go all the way to Wycliffe. You can go back to the Lollards. You can go back to the Waldensians before Wycliffe. And the question was always are the common ordinary people gonna be able to read The Bible.

Are you gonna be able to read the Bible and follow it yourself? Well after 500 years of that. You have people who come here and say we are going we just we just ended up in what they all called a state of Nature.

In other words you arrive on a foreign shore and you're in the wrong place, which is what happens with the pilgrims. They weren't in Virginia. They were in northern Virginia, which we call, Massachusetts now.

Not in Washington DC, right? And so All of a sudden they looked around they realized we get to do what we've been talking about for all this time. We just wound up there's no government here. What do we do?

Well, we're gonna sit down. We're gonna write it. That's what they made for our compact was. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna put it down. And so but not Christian though, what is the basis of this? Well, they said look doesn't matter whether or not you you know.

You are part of our community because there were the there were the strangers among them. Which they did they did not require them to respect the Sabbath in the same way they did. They want to go out and play games, right?

So they said well, you know as long as you're quiet basically during our church service. We're not going to require you to do the same things We're doing in this case. Which was one of the things I admire about the about the pilgrims that differentiate them a little bit from the Puritans.

Oh, I deeply appreciate but they had the judgment to be able to say, you know what there are. Civil laws. There is civil jurisdiction that God gives certain laws for government to enforce across the board doesn't matter who you confess.

Doesn't matter how you worship. You are going to not murder people. You are going to not steal. You are going to pay a certain amount of respect to the to the persons and property. Even if you're not threatening, you know, if I pull a knife here and wave them around your face.

That's assault. I may not be intending to hurt you, but you don't know that. So and we can go through all of those those basic things that are God's law that are supposed to be applied to by civil.

Government. Yeah, and very important for me. We were new maybe new to our ministry listening to this. We talk about God's law. We're not talking about by a means of salvation. We're talking about the way that God talks but in terms of justice and righteousness the Bible exactly.

The Bible is God's Deuteronomy chapter 4 when God gave his law to the people of Israel. It was supposed to be their wisdom in the sight of the people's. And all the other nations supposed to look into this law and just be in all of it, right?

And see how it works. Look at this and go. Oh my goodness. Look at how they do this. Look at how they don't just send somebody out, you know, this guy killed my brother.

So I'm gonna go kill it. Cut their hand off because they sold a loaf of bread, right?

No, that's not know that and there's so much there's so much maligning of script. You know that what the old saying don't take advice from the enemies, right? Well, don't learn theology from your enemies either.

And so there's so much of that going on that well you believe you should gouge out someone's eye if they got it. No, no. No, that's not what lex talionis is. No you it is. It is rank ignorance. You don't even you can't read it right or you don't want to right?

Don't want just the answer. Yeah, so. That's the that's what's at the core of the of the whole thing and the reality the problem here. If if someone got up on that stage and said son what I'm saying right now this crowd would explode.

The crowd would explode. You can look at look at the people gather around and listening. This crowd is full of people who believe that God's law is right that ultimately believe that God is just are there.

Everyone everyone agree. No, of course not. Did everyone agree? No, of course not, but that's not the point. The point is are we gonna shape our lives according to this or not? Right and right now when you look at America you see my people die for lack of Vision my people die for lack of wisdom.

There is there if they're like sheep without a shepherd. Filming here.

So.

You know the bigger question of what you know, what's going on here? Well, yes, are there problems. Does there need to be repentance? Yes. Yes there does. Yes, there does. Do we need to lead in that? Yes, we do.

Do we need to fear that it's not going to be you know, that people will not listen. Well, of course, it's never popular to say, you know why we're in trouble. Because we need to repent. Is that a bad thing, you know, my friend less land fear he's in trouble all the time.

Because he's he's repeatedly saying it online. He has pretty good size following in the reformed community. Yeah. People are from community are mad at it because he's saying you know what? Maybe maybe we should repent.

Maybe this is maybe this is our opportunity and that's because we don't understand what repentance and judgment is, right?

Well, it's it's it's clear to in Scripture that when God wants to punish the people he gives them wicked rulers. Yes, that's that's a clear. That's a clear thing. We get wicked rulers because we deserve them, right?

The truth is we deserve bite. We deserve. I don't want them. I don't want them. I don't want them. I want I want four more years of space to preach the gospel. Right and to end to establish to deserve all that good stuff.

We deserve Kamala Harris like she is supreme. I don't want her. No, I don't want her. The reality.

Thank God that we don't actually get the rulers that we deserve right? We're a nation who has Slaughtered 62 million babies, right and we can stand here and say no. No, we don't deserve bad rulers. No, it's when you stand up and say, okay, you know what?

We're wrong. We're wrong and we want to change. Let's do it different. Yeah repentance isn't okay. That's it judgment. You're dead. No repentance is the opportunity to do it again. Repentance is bleeds to redemption.

That's the redemptive story right and because repentance we've removed We've removed redemption from repentance repentance is I'm wrong. Well, what does the left do as soon as you say you're wrong? That's it execution.

I mean, they're gonna execute your character. There's there is absolutely no you open your mouth at the wrong time and say something that they can twist into something. That's not correct. That's it. There's no there's no coming back from that right unless unless they want to give you a pass, right?

I'll take God's law over that.

Every day, that's right twice on Sunday. That's right. Okay. Hang loose. I'm gonna bring it back up in a little bit. Okay, thank you for all that very very much. Dennis. Dennis I'm ready for you. All right.

I'm not as good as him. No, no, no work. This is Dennis Zerfati head of red state reform action for life action for life. Okay, so we were just talking about 62 million murdered Children in our country since row.

I think those numbers are actually pretty inaccurate because that doesn't count a lot of the abortions. We can't sure ultimately calculate with plan B and things like that. Sure. So 62 million murdered children our nation.

I would grant that the watch swatches you guys. Yes, I would grant the vast majority of people here would identify as pro-life. Sure, but we have a bill right now. In the state of Arizona the representative Walt Blackman that criminalizes and abolishes abortion doesn't regulate it it ends it.

Yeah, that's what we're working on. So January 22nd. We have a rally at the Arizona State Capitol 11 a .m. You're gonna be there. I am gonna be there and abortions gonna be there. Yeah in the state of Arizona to criminalize abortion make it a crime the way it used to be.

Calling abortion murder and giving equal protection to human beings in the womb from the moment of conception. Yes, we have 13 states right now that we're working on criminalization. We're working on abolition.

Yes, not regulation not regulation. So I want to talk about that right now because we talk about repentance right now. We have gay Mirage in America. Homosexuality rampant. We have people that are able to murder their children at will so speak to that.

Why are you why are you a part of red state reform? What why does this matter to you so much?

Well, it goes back to my wife. When when I met Jade I was far from God. And when I got to learn more about she was adopted her mom conceived her at an early age at a one-night stand and our biggest thing was How can we fight this?

You know, I had a chance with my wife. Her mom gave her up for adoption got adopted by great people raised her, right? But there are 63 million like you said that haven't had that chance and many more than that.

So for us it was a no-brainer when we came to apology. I got involved with an abortion now. What can we do to do more. You can go out there and save babies every every day and preach the gospel which God Wants that but it's gonna keep happening.

So what do we got to do? We got to end it legislatively and so with action for life. That's what we're doing. We're in 13 states. Like you said, we're trying to get in 13 more and That's just in 2021 alone Biden wins it's gonna fuel the fire just as much.

I mean, I don't think you can get this many people here for a pro-life rally. This is a great testament to showing where our hearts are in this country and how far we've come where we're fighting for a guy who doesn't really believe in pro-life because he had the years to do it and end it and.

So here we are. We're giving up what we what we deserve. Yeah, so we've got.

Abolishing Abortion, Equal Protection, and Local Political Action

Massive amounts of people right here right now. I guess what what what you're aiming at there is. I Think in order for us to expect blessing on our nation. We have to stop the bloodshed in our streets.

The murder of children. This should have taken place a long time ago to abolish abortion. 100 resist the destruction of marriage.

And.

The issue of sexual ethics in our nation. Where where was this kind of boldness and fervor? So when we talk about whatever happens today, I don't know. I hope the right thing is done. I hope justice is upheld.

I hope they stop fraudulent votes wherever they may be but we need to talk about the heart of our nation and the issue of repentance and bowing our knee to Christ. And We talked about the issue of abortion.

We're working on abolition. Yes, not regulation. What's the difference?

That we need to talk about just the difference is ending it hitting the leak closing the book and let's go home. It's not incremental. Eyes and we're like, oh, we'll just give you oh at 30 weeks at 12 weeks.

Oh, if the baby doesn't have Down syndrome has down you can't abort. That's crap, right? You know, you think about the bloodshed that has gone on. We need the church. Where's the church?

Did you see the article the end of the day. I forget where it was shared somewhere in one of our groups. The article it was like a big victory March the pro-life industry had. There was a Tennessee. It's Tennessee where they said that after you murder the baby you have to give it a proper burial.

And they were like raising their hands as though it was some sort of victory so you can still murder them. But give them the dignity of a burial. Yeah, so when we talk about the 13 states right now, we're working in we're working on.

Criminalization ending it abolishing criminalizing.

It's over you can't do it jail time. It's a crime. It's a crime. So that's the way you deal with something like murder. Should you make it a criminal act? That's right. How do you stop thefts? Well, people are gonna steal they are because we're sinners of the fallen world.

Yep, but what do you do to people who steal you punish them? That's right. Ecclesiastes chapter 8 says that because justice isn't brought The hearts of men are emboldened to do wickedness. So as long as there is injustice for the freeborn People are going to be emboldened to continue to do it.

So we are working with red state reform. Yeah on.

Criminalization criminalization. This is going to jail like this is not just like oh don't please don't do it anymore. This is like if you do this, it should be done in a dark alley. It should be dark.

Yeah, it's not where you drive in and you get comforted by people know what you're doing is murdering a baby. We know it's a baby Jody Heiss who has the federal bill life at conception and we know that it's a baby.

Everyone knows that the joke's over. It's not. We're working for equal protection. That's right equal protection.

Sure, and so that's in those 13 states. We have legislation already the other 13 that we're working on to get it and we have bold leaders. So we need the local magistrate. It's not about the president or the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court was Republican.

Let's talk about that. The pro-life industry operates on the understanding that we can't stop abortion because Roe vs. Wade made it law.

Sure is Roe vs. Wade law. No, it's unconstitutional. Actually, that's a court opinion. It's not a law Congress didn't vote on that. Congress creates law. That's right according to our Constitution. Is it.

Isn't smoking pot illegal, right? Smelling a lot of it. You can go in front of the DOJ and smoke a joint and they can't do anything to you.

That's right. About marijuana, that's right. The states resist the federal law because they say we have state sovereignty. We reject that federal statute. There is no law about abortion. No, there is no law.