April 29, 2020 Show with Mack Tomlinson on “The Loving Pastoral Care of Faithful Shepherds”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida. And the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron Radio .com this is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 29th day of April 2020 and this is day number two.

With my dear friend pastor Mac Tomlinson. He is an author conference speaker and pastor at Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas. And he is also the founder of fellowship conference New England in Portland, Maine, and we're going to be telling you about that conference momentarily.

Today we begin a new topic with pastor Mac Tomlinson. Yesterday We had the topic that Was I believe very fascinating and edifying the importance of corporate prayer and Today we begin a new subject as I said and it is the loving pastoral care of faithful shepherds and It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back for a second day of discussion on iron sharpens iron radio.

My dear friend pastor Mac Tomlinson.

Thanks Chris. It's it's a blessing to be back with you two days in a row.

Amen, and I want to give our listeners once again the Email address right away in the event that they would like to send in the question. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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As always, please give us at least your first name your city and state of residence and your country of residence. If you live outside the USA, please only remain anonymous if you question involves a personal and private matter.

And. Once again for those of our listeners who missed you yesterday If you could tell us about Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas.

Yeah, Denton is a 30 miles north of Dallas Fort Worth a university town of about 120 ,000 and Providence Chapel Was planted 20 years ago by God's grace. And we've had steady growth and reformed at the church.

It is endeavors to be loving and prayerful we have we see Wonderful loving relationships with believers or unbelievers. God in eternity during these critical days Coronavirus would find us. We're here in Denton and I think in the immediate weeks ahead a more limited way in person and public.

So we welcome all Ship with us and let us meet you. Or if you're ever traveling through the Dallas Fort Worth area on a weekend find us Apple Denton, Texas and once again the website for.

Providence Chapel in Denton, Texas is Providence Denton org Providence Denton org. And now tell our listeners about the exciting Conference that is scheduled for this August the Fellowship Conference New England in Portland, Maine.

Yeah, we're praying that it will get to happen, you know. The main governor is political these days like many we hope conferences by them. So pray for that, please. But the first week of August will be the first Thursday Friday and Saturday.

I think that's the 6th of the 8th. We've been meeting as a conference for a number of years now. The first week of of August and the Lord has caused the conference to grow. It's not huge. It's smaller.

It's more intimate here. We have it in what is my my opinion. Two of the most outstanding preachers alive today anywhere in the world Dr. Joel Beeky from Grand Rapids, Michigan and dr. Jeffrey Thomas from London, England are committed to being there.

So come if the Lord would allow you to come it'll be special days.

Amen, well as many of Those who love Jeffrey Thomas they may more readily connect him with Aberystwyth Wales than London, England. I know that he does have a home now in London, England, but he is Most well known for being the pastor of Alfred Place Baptist Church in Aberystwyth Wales where he served for over half a century and that church is now being pastored by his grandson after he retired and The website for this conference is fellowship conference New England comm.

Fellowship conference New England comm and that's August 6 through the 8th at the Deering Center Community Church in Portland, Maine. And as I said yesterday, I do Intend to be there. So God willing I will be meeting many of you who respond to our promotion of this conference and I look forward to seeing you there.

I also wanted to give you our listeners a wonderful update On my oldest brother John. Many of you know that just by listening to this program That our dear brother Mac Tomlinson my guest today he He is.

I just got a Message from a listener that my voice is quiet. So I'm trying to elevate to the volume here. Pastor Mac Tomlinson lives only about 10 minutes away from my brother John Who lives in Justin, Texas my brother John? has critical stage emphysema and He just had a very frightening a few days he was rushed to the hospital last week and It was a very serious situation his wife and daughter in Texas did not know whether or not he was ever going to be leaving that hospital again and it just so happens that All of you who have been praying Regularly for my brother John And fervently and who have been reporting to me that you've been praying for him and you've been asking for updates.

Well, he is being discharged today. He's being sent home. So I am praising God for that. I'm praising God for his Apparent enthusiasm over Jesus Christ and I just ask of you to all can to continue to pray for him and pray that a friendship blossoms between pastor Mac and my brother.

Pastor Mac has visited him in the hospital once before the coronavirus Hysteria broke out and He has also been in communication with my brother for over a year on the telephone, so hopefully this will finally become a true friendship and I will Be thrilled to hear updates on that from my brother and from Mac.

The Loving Pastoral Care of Faithful Shepherds

Well today we are going to be addressing a very important topic The loving pastoral care of faithful shepherds. What was it that compelled you to want to discuss this today pastor Mac?

Well six years I've ever done. I was going to be a they'd me Interest in fishing and because he was going to fish in a different way in my 20s seminary in the 1970s.

And.

Over these decades of four and a half decades now I've seen In myself that one of the lacks in my own life in pastoring well maintaining a love. And so I've come to the conviction over the years that having a loving caring heart as Shepherds of God's people people inside the church and outside the church the essential to long-term quality pastoral care.

Essential to love the people we preach to we can and we can don't feel loved by us. They don't know we love them that they're gonna not going to get near as much out of our pulpit ministry. And I'm talking about loving those who are nice and pop.

The least among us is I think I Believe that this is a single most important character and people and and I think.

Yeah.

Pastor should.

Fill in this well. I know for one that as much as I love brilliant men and eloquent men And men who are Theologically even on the level of genius I would still prefer a loving shepherd Over one that had all those previously listed qualities that did not possess The love and the heart of a shepherd, right?

Many of us have heard that that how much we care what people in our churches need especially If we're a pastor month in month after month. They're not truly impressed with our genius. So they may respect it.

They expect quality. They expect us to Radley divide and emotional and psycho not just verbally. This is why this topics on my heart to strengthen church leaders with a deacon. To to make sure this is a primary thing in there.

Yes, and in fact.

Even if there are men out there who are pastors Who truly are loving?

I.

Think that they have to make sure that they Speak in such a manner and behave in such a manner. Where that is truly evident? To the flock. Because there are people just because of their personality just because of the way they speak and so on people have a false impression of them that they are all that they are aloof and Uncaring and unloving.

And I've know I've known and some men in fact One man who will remain anonymous That I have known for many years who has been extremely Generous to iron sharpens iron radio. He has unfortunately a reputation of being a stiff and aloof and Cold person and I know that is not true but it just happens to be the manner with which he speaks and his posturing in his facial expressions and on and on.

And I don't you think that? Even though some of those things those traits that a person has that can convey is a false message about Who they are? Unintentionally, of course. Don't you think that they if they are aware of this or if somebody Informs them or maybe perhaps many people inform them about this.

They have to work on that and have to Overcome those things so that people are very clear that they really do care and love them.

Absolutely, Chris, that's totally right. If if my true call men of God Have those divinity being quote of people if we don't recognize and work on deficiencies then it will greatly Affect our ministries for the worse.

We cannot be unfriendly or and I think this does personality, but also character, which I'll talk a little bit more about that and in the qualifications for ministry mentioned in first Timothy 3 and Titus 1.

Well, why don't you just start in your discussion of the where you want to start in regard to this topic?

Good. I want you know, there's there's Elders pastors theological students out there listening. So here's a think about this scenario. It happens all the time a young man enters out of seminary.

I.

Don't know if I've ever heard that had description.

You get the picture right? Yeah. Yes, I do. So he's excited about getting his first church and Of course, he knows everything. He's God's gift to any church. Even is his denomination. He's bright. He's able to preach and some personality.

So he embarks in the mirror later the congregation may be frustrated and they Feel like he's still a stranger. They can't relate to him. He preaches well, but he's not taking it very well, and he's blame shifting.

He heard you know, the church probably did wrong too, but what could have made the difference my opinion? Any man going into a new church relationship? Down the road. First. Important thing they can do as the people don't trust you.

Trust has to be earned and developed not just from the pulpit. What could have made a difference in that two-year pastor ending so many? Ministers don't View that as critically as they should. They don't.

They see it as secondary ingredient. You got a first empty three or taught us one virtually the same is quite. Example spittable. There's relational Abilities in a to T able to T not for money but general that means General and how we treat people and how we relate.

All of those qualifications deal with character. A man's character 90

Especially in pastoring. Well, I knew there was a reason that I wasn't qualified to be a minister. Or should I say a number of reasons?

This overlaps with and of course the pastor charity jury taught us one number and He's developed a pastor's heart and that that heart of love has to be in our motives our attitude our actions that must be shown and seen and felt by The sheep.

That's an amen one of the things.

That is disappointing to hear on occasion is That you may have a man Who is Has all those qualities that I mentioned before that are enviable brilliance. They have great gifts of Oratory gifts they have a power in their speaking behind the pulpit they are.

They're just.

Geniuses when it comes to exegesis and and they have so many of these great qualities and gifts and talents. And then perhaps they've even written many books. Perhaps they're on radio and television but they have become celebrities and They really are not Shepherds to the flock over which they serve and in fact, you could even rightly say in some sense under which they serve because Shepherds are also supposed to be servants, even though they are leaders and overseers.

They are supposed to be servants as well but There are even men that I have met That have such an ambition to become Celebrities that they start off with that attitude and behavior before anybody even knows who they are other than the people in their own congregation.

That's a really Sad reality, isn't it?

Yes, it is it's it's sad and no one we should not imitate them. We should follow their their godliness in there since the 1970s 70s 80s. I remember there were times some of those celebrity preachers is that I would I Would have genuine questions.

I wanted to ask. I wasn't just one that had genuine questions. But then I would see them sitting at the lunch table with their buddies. It became clear it hurt but it came clear to me. They really didn't care about Young preacher who was a stranger to them on the other hand.

No non-celebrity there when I Approached them with a question appreciation for they gave me their attend Lee. Well, I could say I guess I could say without question that Paul Washer fits that description.

Yes, and in the pulpit, but he's a lamb one-on-one with people when he cares about them. So when I had that experience of and then how to be I made a choice. I'm gonna work at. Anyone me never to not be distracted and be available if I can't talk to them.

I'll say look. Today won't work. But could we talk tomorrow? Because how would the Lord Jesus Christ be toward his sheep? Well, if we're to be like him in ministry, we have to act like him and our conduct toward people.

I'll think of a pet for Dada's. A pet for Dada's. Of course the context is he? Paul says of a pest for Dada's that he was longing the saints there in Philippi. He was longing for them all. Well, that's a heart desire.

That's a yearning from the heart. He pet for Dada's had a pastor's heart. Toward people and it doesn't matter How much we know the Bible and how well we can teach it if we don't have a pastor's heart.

That longs with the verse. I like almost better Corinthians 8 16, but thanks be to God earnest care into the heart of Titus earnest care sincere earnest care. God put it into the heart of Titus for the Corinthians and it's true.

This isn't just naturally in us oftentimes I've had to you know, I'm not really showing much love. I continually have to go to the Lord again and let your love fill my heart again. Cuz I don't if we don't have it the earnest care like Titus had people will know it.

People will not feel our care and we won't pastor. Well.

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And our email address is chris arnzen at gmail .com. Chris arnzen at gmail .com. And if you could uh pick up where you left off there pastor mac. And make sure that we include attributes and qualities.

Uh that are necessary for a man to even be qualified. For this office known as pastor or elder or overseer which I believe are the same office.

Yes, that's right. Titus one mainly the character the godliness the mark of god. Only one preaching or teaching or the pulpit. But when we're talking about loving the saints and loving people We're talking about something that has to be in the heart.

We can't manufacture it or fake it and it also. It's easy to love Everybody. It's harder to love pulling that says To live above with the saints. We love that will be glory glory saints. We know. That's a different story.

It's been a long time since I heard that but I have heard that yes.

Well what i'm talking about is having a principle and heart. Filled with love the love of christ by the holy spirit. Where it controls how you? Relate to people and treat them one-on-one. Day in and day out meet they need at the end.

And we must be engaged to make them the most important person. We're going to talk to during the week. Epaphroditus had that toward the philippians. Longing for earnest care into his heart. For the saints so the lord must work this in us, but it means that in the moment if i'm Meeting with someone if someone comes for pastoral Visit for counsel or they call.

I don't know what their motive is. I may know them. Well, it might be a stranger but in that moment. Those sheep need my genuine attention and the sad thing is I know in my own way my wife linda at times would tell me later dear you.

You weren't really giving him your attention. Corrupted and cut him off and what he was saying. I had to. Pastors aren't all that important. We can too busy be too busy and preoccupied. But uh, we have to learn this can be cultivated if we see that it's vitally important before the lord we can Continually pray for him to the single most important heart issue professionals.

Any church leader should read it. Because we're not professionals. We're not what we are. We're shepherds. We're bishops and the bible tells us we're to take heed. To all the flock every one of them old testament says.

Know well the state of your flock. And so this means dismal triple denial. You know, he would have been. He went off and went bitterly, you know, peter's Confidence was shaken and the self-confidence had to be shaken.

But you know, his heart was probably withdrawn and wounded and embarrassed. What did his fellow apostles think of him? Could he ever be back in the group? And remember after the resurrection in john 21 15 through 17.

Christ.

Restoration of him to the group. Was a loving relation peter. Do you. That's all the lord said and he he didn't rebuke him. He didn't drag up the past. He said three times do you love me and each time he said feed my sheep feed my lambs.

So the loving of christ By us has trickled down And permeated from the sheep, you know, you were just uh moments ago.

Talking about how. In fact, you quoted the title of john piper's book brothers. We are not professionals. And it reminded me Of the stark contrast I have witnessed Between.

A.

And I have to be careful here many roman catholic priests. Because i'm sure that there are Also many roman catholic priests who are very personable and loving and compassionate and so on.

Uh.

But and this is probably true, especially with many mainline denominations even within protestantism. But when you are at a funeral. Or a at a wake or the viewing part of that.

Uh.

Ceremony when somebody passes on I have witnessed quite a number of times. And I and I think it actually helps those present see the stark contrast.

Of.

The true evangelical Pastor that is present if he is and hopefully he is. When somebody dies and then in contrast with the The cleric the professional I have been at wakes where. You know, you might have somebody in your congregation who has a spouse or a A parent or a relative.

That is from a different religion. Uh, and they ask their own pastor as well to be a part of the the wake or the funeral service and you will have. A priest for instance a roman catholic priest. Come into the room and I have witnessed this on a number of occasions.

Doesn't even Make eye contact with anybody or greet anybody. Kneels in front of the casket and starts praying a repetitive. A repetitive prayer. Uh, the the kind of prayer that the bible prohibits is vain repetition uh of the pagans and uh.

Then the person stands up and says Good day, everybody. And leaves the it was as if they were just doing their job they were Punching the clock At this particular event that they were required to attend.

And.

Then the pastor the true pastor gets up. And his heart just overflows with love and compassion for the people present and he typically will know the names of the people involved. Where the. Very often i've been at not only funerals and wakes, but i've been at weddings where the priests Forget the names the people getting married.

Uh, because they're it's just their job. They're just going through the motions and am I being accurate here as far as your experience?

Well, yes, I mean i've mainly been a professional. It's their job. Can be loving shepherds. Unfortunately, we have to get our midway break already pastor mac. Yeah, and uh,.

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