April 11, 2018 Show with Dr. Conrad Mbewe on “Foundations for the Flock: Truths About the Church For All the Saints” AND “Pastoral Preaching: Building A People For God”

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I'm so delighted to have an old friend of mine back on the program, somebody who I love

interviewing.

I've known him since 1995 during I believe his first trip from Africa to the United States

when he preached at Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, New York, which was the

church where I was saved, formerly known as Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville, and where I remained until

relocating to Pennsylvania.

His name is Dr. Conrad Mbewe, author, conference speaker, principal of Lusaka Ministerial

College, chancellor of the African Christian University, head of the African Renaissance University

Project of the African Alliance of YMCAs, board member of Central Africa Baptist

Church, I'm sorry, Central Africa Baptist College, and Covenant College in Zambia,

pastor of Kabwata Baptist Church in Zambia, Africa, and he is also author of

two books we are going to be addressing today.

During the first hour, we are going to continue our conversation that we began the last time Conrad was on

the program, Foundations for the Flock, Truths About the Church for All the Saints, and then during the second

hour, we will address his newest book, his latest book, Pastoral Preaching, Building a

People for God, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to.

Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Conrad Mbewe.

Thank you, thank you very much.

Oh, it's always a joy to.

Have you on the program, it's always a joy to hear and see you preach,

especially when I have the opportunity to actually be in the audience right there on location, wherever you might

be preaching, and that's also a reason for my excitement

today because I know that, God willing, I am very shortly going to be in the audience

the next time Conrad will be preaching at a conference here in the United States.

He is going to be at the Proclamation Presbyterian Church in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania,

not far from where I'm sitting, for the next Philadelphia Conference on Reform

Theology.

It's not being held in Philadelphia anymore, it used to be for many years held at the 10th Presbyterian Church in

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, where the late Dr. James Montgomery Boyce was the pastor, so they affectionately

still call the conference series the Philadelphia Conference, but it is now in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania,

and also Byron Center, Michigan, but the theme of the conference that's coming up is

the Spirit of the Age and the Age of the Spirit.

We'll tell you some more later about some of the other speakers on the roster, but Conrad, do you know

the specific topic under that umbrella, the Spirit of the Age, the Age of the Spirit, that you

will be addressing at the next Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology coming up April 27th

through the 29th?

Yes,

the

work

of the

Spirit of the

Age.

Great, and if anybody would like to register for the Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology, you can go to

alliancenet .org, alliancenet .org, click on events, and then click on

Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology, the Spirit of the Age, the Age of the Spirit.

The dates are April 13th through the 15th in Byron Center, Michigan, at the

First Christian Reform Church, and then the one closer to me, where I am planning to attend,

April 27th through the 29th at the Proclamation Presbyterian Church in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, and correct me if

I'm wrong, but I believe you're only speaking at the Philadelphia Conference, or should I say the Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania Conference, am I right?

I'm speaking at both.

Oh, you are speaking at both?

Grand Rapids.

Oh great, well that's good news for our listeners that are in the Byron Center, Michigan area, who

will be attending the First Christian Reform Church for that conference, so I am standard corrected

there.

April 13th through the 15th in Byron Center, Michigan, and April 27th through the 29th

in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania, and we'll be repeating that information later on in the program.

Well, we already had you on the program once before to address

Foundations for the Flock, truths about the church for all the saints, but our audience has grown

quite a bit since then.

According to my webmaster, the Iron Trip and Zion Radio audience has more than doubled

since last year, so there will be, no doubt, a lot of people discovering you for the first time

today, so why don't you tell our listeners why you came to write the

book Foundations for the.

Flock?

Yes, well,

the

book...

Yeah, if I'm

not

mistaken,

didn't

Paul

Washer have

something

to do

with

it?

No, no, no,

well, yes, in terms

of...

Praise God, praise

God.

Well, before we

continue.

On with our discussion, one thing that I want to make sure I address is the

African Christian University, where Vowie Balcombe is now

in Zambia.

He had relocated from the United States to Zambia to assist you in your work there.

Let our listeners know about African Christian University.

Well,

it's...

Great, well, if

you

want

more

information,

the

website

is

acu

-usa

.com, acu

-usa .com.

Do you have any other contact information that you want to give for the African Christian.

University?

Well,

yes,

if there...

In fact,

his exact

website is vowiebalcombe .org, and that's.

Spelled V as in victory, O -D -D as in David, I -E -B -A -U -C

-H -A -M .org, V -O -D -D -I -E -B -A -U -C -H -A -M .org,

Vowie Balcombe Ministries, and so I hope that as many of you as possible who have a

passion for sound theology to be spread on the African continent and beyond,

I hope that you can help with that very noble effort that they are participating in there.

And those of you who are Reformed, and especially those of you who are Reformed Baptists, will be delighted to know that

if you didn't know already, Dr. Conrad M. Beway is a Reformed Baptist, and so is Vowie Balcombe,

so you could be assured that your money will be well spent if you have a particular interest in the doctrines of grace

spreading in Africa as well.

Well, we already have some listener questions.

In fact, I'm going to repeat our email address for everybody who would like to join

us on the air with a question of your own.

It is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail

.com.

Please give us your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence if you

live outside the USA.

And please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private

matter.

Let's say you're asking a question and you disagree with your own pastor

over the issue or something, then we understand that you'd want to remain anonymous.

But other than that, please give us your first name, your city and state, and your country of residence

if you live outside the USA.

The first question, I typically only give the first name, city, and state of our listeners

when they write in, but I'm going to make an exception here.

I usually make exceptions with pastors and other radio hosts or

podcast hosts, and I'm going to do so now.

Dwayne Atkinson, who is host of The Bar podcast, and B -A

-R stands for Biblical and Reformed.

Dwayne, by the way, sends his greetings to you, Conrad, and is dying to interview you

himself on his program, so hopefully that will happen eventually.

Let me give a plug to Dwayne's program.

You can find out more about it at thebarpodcast .com,

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But he asks a question, have you seen a shift in the church cultural from

prosperity gospel to more sound biblical teaching in your area?

Yes, he is no doubt familiar with the fact that you have preached at the Strange Fire

Conference at Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California, and you

have lamented over the fact that on the African

continent there is a plague of heretical theology involving

the prosperity heresy, the word of faith heresy, that makes

Pentecostalism and charismatic theology and behavior here in the

United States seem very sound in comparison from what I understand.

But if you could answer Dwayne Atkinson's question.

Unfortunately,.

No, I wouldn't really say that.

I think only getting really when you

think in terms of why

Zambia clearly

is 10 years

foreign

in

order and sent

back because of the

Zambian people money

is Christianity is

entered into evangelism.

Well

thank

you

Dwayne,

and

guess

what?

You

have won.

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discussing that was written by Dr. Conrad Mbewe.

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for providing these books for us today.

They are very generous and very eager to see Dr. Mbewe's writings

fall into the hands by God's providence and to as many people as possible who will read the

book and be blessed by it.

And so just a quick plug to their website as well, grantedministries .org.

Grantedministries .org is their website, and I hope that you look that up and and find even more

resources that you can benefit from.

We have Gordy in Mechanicsburg,

Pennsylvania, and I have to enlarge the

font on Gordy's question because it's microscopic and I'm at 56 years of age going

blind here.

Definitely have to get a new prescription for glasses.

Gordy's question is, what issues do you have, if

any, in separation of church and state in Zambia?

That's one of two questions that he has.

A lot of conservative Christians here in the United States are very leery of

the authority and power of the government, and we are

constantly struggling to make sure that our freedoms to proclaim

our faith as freely as possible are preserved.

Of course, we are not being persecuted in any way nearly as much as many

of our brothers and sisters in Christ and other parts of the world who are literally being murdered and

tortured and persecuted in far infinitely greater ways.

But tell us about the situation there in Zambia.

In

regard

to

your

government.

Yeah,

it

began

from

there.

Well,

praise

God.

Well,

guess

what,.

Gordy?

You have also won a free copy of Foundations for the Flock, and since you live so

close to Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, who would normally be shipping that out to you, why don't you just drive by

there, since Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania, is only about 10 minutes away from this Christian

bookstore.

Why don't you just swing by there and pick it up?

It will be waiting there for you.

Just tell them that it's waiting there as a winner in our

audience at Iron Sherpa and Zion Radio.

We have Pastor Josh Fryman, who

is the pastor of Community Baptist Church in Riverhead, Long Island, New York, and he is

soon to be the pastor in North Dakota, coming up

in just a couple of months.

He is relocating and taking a call to the

New Testament Baptist Church of Larimore, North Dakota, and

he doesn't have a question.

He just wants to praise the Lord for your book, which he already has.

He already has Foundations for the Flock, and he said that he loved reading it and has been

thoroughly blessed and edified by it, and he also says in particular he was blown away by

your description of the elements in the Lord's Supper, how

bread is just a common food that everyone, even the poor, can afford,

and you described how it is a symbol for the body of Christ.

Perhaps you could even elaborate a little bit more on that in regard to what you've written in your book about that.

Yeah, that's something I can't remember.

Well, maybe you'll bring us some new information about that.

Yeah, yeah, well, I think basically.

The point that

would

then be

used

in wine

itself,

in and of

itself,

rather.

Well,

thank you,

Josh,.

And since you already have the book, obviously you don't need another one, so we just appreciate you contributing that

comment of praise to God that you are being blessed by this book, and we look

forward to hearing more from you after your move to North Dakota.

We have, oh yeah, we have a second question that is related to the first by Gordy

in Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania.

Is the climate in Zambia between the church and government improving or worsening?

Well, you may have already answered that, but do you have anything further to add?

Yeah, yeah, well, in that sense,

Thanks again, Gordy, and we're going to go to our first break right now.

If anybody else would like to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnsen

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And we have another listener in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

Ted, he asked a very similar question that we've already had

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That last part, perhaps, is a little bit of a different question than the previous one.

Yeah.

When

people

ask, and

in

that

sense, a

sinner's

prayer,

signing

on the

door,

even

in America,

because

of

those,

I tend

to think

that

there will be,

can

be at the point when

individuals,

but in due

season, has

been.

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And Dr. M. Bayway, can you tell us something about what compelled

you to write this book on pastoral preaching?

There are obviously, as you know, many books available to the church

on preaching, both old books that are classic and also new books that are coming out,

even by some of our dear brethren who we agree with on most if not all important

theological issues.

Why was there a need for a new book on preaching?

That's exactly the question I asked.

Myself.

I

realized

I

couldn't

think of

the problem, but

I was going

to

deliberately

think,

okay.

Now could any

pastor or someone who is in seminary who has the

desire to become a pastor,.

Anybody who is a preacher, benefit from this book no matter where they live?

Yes,

in

fact,

what has

happened

is...

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And so we hope that many of you investigate this very worthwhile organization.

That's langham .org.

Does this book include both

hermeneutic and homiletic information?

There are many books that seem to address

the concept of preaching from a hermeneutical concept, but there is,

it seems anyway, a lack of books that actually address

homiletics, the art of preaching, the actual the

actual counsel and advice and teaching in

regard to the mechanics of oratory and so on.

If you

could

explain more

about

that.

Yeah,

well, what I've

done is define what's

fiddling

around.

You

go to

it

next

time

you're

in a

pulpit.

Great.

We have a listener who has a question that is off topic, but I

think that it is so timely and I think it's an important question that I will take it anyway.

PJ, as in pajamas, PJ in Bridge City, Texas

says, in Zambia, do you see a large problem with quote unquote race

issues since it would be very current to the problems we are seeing to seeming to have

in the American church?

Could you give some advice to the situation at hand?

Yes, we are.

I don't know how much you are aware of a situation, but it seems that even

amongst reform brethren, there is some hostility breaking out where you have those

who are either of the black race.

In fact, we I'm sure would agree that there is only one race, the human race.

But they are basically bringing into the forefront of

discussion the sin of racism.

And many of them, it seems, and this would even include white

Christians who are siding with them, many of them are seemingly

pointing the figure at white individuals alone as being guilty of the

sin of racism and being the cause of the problems that involve racism, rather than seeing it

as a universal sin that affects men of all skin colors, ethnic groups, and

nationalities.

And some people, unfortunately, have been slandered publicly as being guilty of the sin of racism, just

because they may approach the topic in a different way than

these other individuals are happy with.

But if you could just respond to what I'm saying, I hope I didn't sound too confusing here.

Yeah, we're a lot

of bees.

Yeah,

because

I mean, the

difference

between

my

last

visit

to the

US, which

was a

shock to me,

I'm in

my 50s.

And so

they were reacting.

But we went into

mixed

co

-oping.

The

next

time I come and

visit, I find it more congenial.

Amen,

I agree.

And even your brother and colleague,.

Vodie Baucom, has been sometimes unfairly and slanderously publicly attacked

by those in the black community and those who would agree with

them because they don't think that he is accommodating enough to their position.

So this is not just this is not just a black -white issue.

This kind of spreads to whether or not you share the opinion of a particular group or not.

Yeah, well, I'm hoping we'd love

to hear an update

on that.

And in fact, we're going to

go to our.

Final break, which is very brief.

And PJ in Bridge City, Texas actually has a question that involves the topic

that we will ask.

And so we will do that when we come back from our final break.

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We have, again, PJ from Bridge City, Texas, who says, can you lay down your

sermon preparation in a quick summary?

And also, what is, of course, other than a clear picture of the gospel, the

most important thing to you in preaching and teaching?

Yeah, I think it's a lot

more than simply in which you dwell among the

people, you sense where they are.

And then also,

as

you

appeal to you will

be handling.

Now, what

I find, therefore, is that

it has some of the issues that

are there while I'm doing another series.

And then, finally, it is time for me to

begin that series.

Now, this is normally

my first time to

the

meat of the

text.

And

then

what brings these

people, I

want to finally be

able.

And as you know, many

people

think

Psalm 51

is a cry

for

forgiveness,

in

a

nutshell.

He says, other than a clear picture of the

gospel, what is the most important thing to.

You in preaching and teaching?

Yeah, I think, first of all, that

for

me,

the

thing

beyond that

and being

prayerful.

Thank

you,

PJ.

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Let's see, we have an anonymous listener who

says, the church where I am a member typically

exclusively uses the method of topical preaching from the pulpit.

Is that wrong, or is it just a matter of opinion?

All right, now, that's a relevant question, because that's something I have deliberately

added.

Not because it's wrong,

it

limits you as a preacher, often, to what you already know.

It

doesn't

help

in

your

knowledge,

and

then

which

pastoral

Ephesians

they...

Yes, and I'm sure that you would have no problem with a church or a pastor who is

routinely involved in expository preaching, going verse by verse and chapter by chapter

throughout the Bible, week by week, who will interrupt that series, like, for instance,

to have a topical message on something that is happening, perhaps in the United States or anywhere in the world

where that church may happen to be, to address some kind of an issue that is a very urgent

issue, or even, you know, in regard to the birth of Christ or the resurrection of Christ or something like that.

Yes.

Well, thank you very much, Anonymous.

If you want to give me your full name and mailing address, of course, off the air, you will receive a

free copy of Pastoral Preaching, and thank you very much for joining us on the program today.

We have another anonymous listener who says, Can you distinguish between

teaching and preaching?

I am a member of a church where our pastor seems to be more fond of lecturing

than any kind of passionate delivery of a gospel proclamation, and I was

wondering if you think that this is a matter of personal style or if there is an important

difference.

And,

of

course,

you

can

have

men

who

are

behind

pulpits

very

passionately.

Preaching nonsense or falsehood, or you can

even have, which is unfortunately very common in fundamentalist

circles, not always, I'm not broad -brushing my fundamentalist brethren, but you can have

pastors who are preaching to the choir and are very vociferously and

passionately preaching against sins that are not typically found

within their congregations.

They're preaching about the sins that are existing outside in the world.

Out there.

Right.

But, well, thank you, Anonymous.

Also, if you give me your full name and full mailing address, you will get a free copy of this book,

Pastoral Preaching.

By our guest, Dr. Conrad Mbewe.

Let's see here.

We have Christian in Suffolk

County, Long Island, New York.

And Christian says, Do you believe that every sermon, even if its

main topic isn't the gospel, should include the gospel somewhere?

Yes, but I need to explain.

In

terms of Jesus Christ,

we limit ourselves to think in its

broader

sense.

Presently,

Jesus, who

is

the

way, he

is

unexamined.

Heaven gone that far may also be failing in their mind.

Here is the height.

Why is the faith and his

relationship?

I use the phrase evangelical.

Great.

Well, you have also won a free copy of the book, Pastoral Preaching, by Dr. Conrad Mbewe.

So please make sure you get us your full mailing address.

And we also have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, who says, I love

listening to your preaching on YouTube and other places whenever I have the opportunity.

Who are your favorite preachers alive today?

At least a small list.

Well, we are out of time, Conrad.

I thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule while you are here traveling in the United States.

I am looking forward so eagerly to hear and see you preach at the

Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals Conference, the Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology, in

the Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania area at Proclamation Presbyterian Church.

And of course, I know that our brethren in the Michigan area are going to be delighted to know

that you are also preaching at the First Christian Reformed Church in Byron Center, Michigan.

If anybody wants more details about this, go to alliancenet .org, alliancenet .org, click on Events, and then

click on the Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology.

And all the information that you need for both locations will be there.

If you want more information about our guest, Conrad Mbewe, go to conradmbewe .com, conradmbewe

.com.

And Mbewe is spelled M as in Michael, B as in boy, E -W -E .com, conradmbewe

.com.

I can't wait to fellowship with you again, brother, and hear you preach.

Thank you.

Thanks a lot, brother, and thanks for having me on your program.

Oh, my pleasure.

And I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who wrote in questions.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior

than you are a sinner.