WWUTT 2365 Q&A Fun with AI, Did Abraham Know Yahweh, Steve Lawson's Apology

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Can AI, artificial intelligence, teach us what the Bible says? Did Abraham know

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God by the name Yahweh? And was Steve Lawson's public apology sufficient? The answers to these questions and others when we understand the text.

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This is When We Understand The Text, a daily study in the word of Christ, that we may worship the

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Father in spirit and in truth. Tell all your friends about our ministry at www .utt

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.com. Here once again is Pastor Gabe. Thank you, Becky. You're welcome. Proverbs chapter nine, beginning in verse seven.

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Whoever corrects a scoffer gets himself abuse and he who reproves a wicked man incurs injury.

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Do not reprove a scoffer or he will hate you. Reprove a wise man and he will love you.

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Give instruction to a wise man and he will be still wiser. Teach a righteous man and he will increase in learning.

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The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and the knowledge of the Holy One is insight.

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For by me, wisdom says, your days will be multiplied and years will be added to your life.

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If you are wise, you are wise for yourself. If you scoff, you alone will bear it.

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Ouch. That's heavy. Well, we desire to grow in the knowledge of God.

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Amen. Through the study of his word and that's what we do here on this broadcast. On the Friday edition, we take questions from the listeners.

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Yeah. And you can send those questions to whenweunderstandthetext at gmail .com or go to wwutt .com,

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click on the voicemail tab on the top of the page and record us a voicemail. Yes, that'd be awesome.

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Either through your phone or by computer. I don't think I have voicemails at least for this half of the program.

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Okay. When we get to the second half hour, I'll have a voicemail in there. But in the meantime, we just have a couple of emails to get to.

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Awesome. I got something I wanna plug here first. Okay. And something I wanna play with.

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All right. So there's my two Ps, a plug and a play with. Okay. Okay, so the plug.

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April will be 10 years since I released my book, 40 of the Most Popular Bible Verses and What They Really Mean.

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Oh yeah. Which was the first book that I wrote and published as a pastor. Uh -huh. So we're going to re -release that book, a 10th anniversary edition, which is coming out in April.

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I think I've mentioned this before, but it's been months back. Okay. So the new version, it's like fourth edition because I've done some other updates to it and things like that.

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So this is probably like the fourth edition. Yeah, probably. 40 of the Most Popular Bible Verses and What They Really Mean coming out again in April.

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And we'll let you know exactly when it's ready. It'll be on Amazon. It'll be the place that you can get it either for your

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Kindle or you can buy the book. And about 60 % of the book is different from the original.

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Yeah. So quite a bit of it, it's almost a new book. Even if you got the old one, you got to get the new one.

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Because the old one wasn't that good anyway. The new one. I thought it was just fine. I know, there were people that liked it.

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You're picky. I'm just picky, it's what it is. And you did say, you have mentioned that the 40

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Most Popular Verses have changed a little bit. A little bit. There's a few that are different on there. Yeah. So a few on the list have changed.

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I think the first 10 are consistent with last time. I don't think I changed anything in the first 10 chapters.

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But the layout's different. I outlined the verses a little bit better. And plus that first book, it really wasn't as much expositing those 40 verses.

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Oh yeah, that's true. As it was like I wrote 40 essays on those verses.

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Fair enough. This is a little more expository, I think. So it's more faithful to that discipline.

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Awesome. So there's this AI program that I heard about.

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Oh yeah, okay. Where you can take a manuscript of your book and you can upload it to this program.

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It's Google's program and I cannot remember the name of it now. I did not bring it. It's something like Notebook.

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That's not the name of it, but it's something like that. Like a clipboard or something. Something every day that you use and they've named their

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AI program this. But you can upload any PDF and it will give you a summary of your

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PDF file. So like if you've got a 40 ,000 word manuscript, which like is most of my books come out to be about that long.

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And you wanna write a concise blurb about the book or your manuscript.

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And you can upload the PDF to that and within seconds, it cranks out a small blurb that would be like the blurb you would read on the inside of a book jacket or something like that or on the back of the book, giving you a summary of the book.

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And it's pretty accurate. Yeah, when I did it and I read it, I was like, that's not bad. I would tweak some things.

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Yeah, of course. That was pretty close. But you have a good starting point or almost finishing point from the sounds of it.

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Right, it could just be done for you if it comes out that well. Yeah, that's pretty impressive.

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There's more to this program than that. You can actually make it create a podcast for you with AI voices, two voices, a male and a female who are talking back and forth about your book.

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As if somebody has recorded or has read your book and done a review of it. Okay, interesting.

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And so to create that blurb takes a few seconds. Right. You hit generate blurb, it thinks for a little bit.

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Thanks, quote unquote. Right, right. Goes through its ones and zeros and then cranks out a blurb for you, yeah.

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Well, it only takes something like four or five minutes. Wow, really? For it to generate a 20 minute podcast.

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Wow, what? That's crazy. Yes, doing a review of your book. Okay, do you wanna hear how creepy accurate this is?

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I'm not sure I do. I will. Are you okay?

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Yes, I mean, it's, this is. Oh my goodness, okay, I'm nervous, but I mean,

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I will. This is this unnamed guy and gal talking about my book. Okay, you ready for this?

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And it's AI. This is AI. What you're about to hear is artificial intelligence. This is not a real man and woman who are talking about this.

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Well, I mean, obviously, because it's 20 minutes and like. And generated it in like four or five minutes, yeah.

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Yeah, okay. Okay, you ready? Okay. Here we go. Maybe. Brace yourself. All right.

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Welcome to our deep dive. And today we're gonna be tackling those

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Bible verses that everyone knows, but maybe doesn't really know. You know what I mean? You shared some excerpts from the book, 40 most popular

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Bible verses. And it's gonna be fascinating to unpack these common misinterpretations.

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Yeah, it's amazing how verses can take on a life of their own, like completely detached from their original meaning.

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So we're gonna dive into these verses and hopefully bring some clarity, you know, starting with Genesis 1, 1, the ultimate opening line, you know, in the beginning.

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Oh yeah, I've read that verse a thousand times, but this book made me think, did God create like time itself in that moment?

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I mean, that's what Augustine argued and it just kind of explodes my brain a little bit. It's a fascinating point, isn't it?

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And the book highlights how this verse establishes like this crucial foundation for understanding God. He's the sole creator, you know, it debunks those ancient myths about multiple gods and it sets up that theme of God's creative power that we see, you know, over and over again throughout the whole

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Bible. Okay, so for you, how does understanding creation as this deliberate act of God affect how you see other events like the parting of the

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Red Sea? Does it make those kinds of miracles seem more believable? It definitely adds a layer of awe to those events.

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It's like a reminder that we're dealing with a God who's capable of things, you know, beyond our comprehension.

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Let's move to another verse that's practically ubiquitous. Okay, let me pause there for a little bit. How are you doing so far?

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Practically what? Ubiquitous. Okay, that's a word we use every day. Very common, well -known.

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Right, right, right. I use that word. I think I used it in my Bible class the other day.

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Okay. Yeah. Uh -huh. The students may not have known what I meant, but I've used the word. It totally went over their heads,

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I bet. Okay, so he is very believable, the male voice.

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Very believable. Yeah. There's hardly any flaw to it, but the girl's voice, she barely takes a breath, ever.

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Like the pauses. I don't know, enough podcasts I've listened to. I think those gals. They could just keep chatting.

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Okay. If they didn't have to take a breath, yeah, the ladies would definitely just keep right on going.

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Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. I guess I breathe more than that, all right. You do.

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Anyway, so, but some of her words are like cut off at the end too.

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Okay, yeah. Like especially the numbers and stuff like that. So it sounds weird. Would you notice that though, if I hadn't told you this was

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AI? Yes, I would have noticed. Okay. But I would have thought that it was a flaw in the recording or editing.

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Right, okay. Not that it's AI. Because sometimes you can take, yeah.

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Because sometimes you can take an audio track and you equalize the sound. And in doing so, sometimes those nuances at the end of your voice when it drops off will get cut.

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So I could see how you would think that. Like it would be a flaw in the editing, not so much in the

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AI. Right, right. I would have, I mean, I would have just chalked it up to technical error, you know.

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But yeah, that's really creepy. One of the most astonishing things to me was right at the beginning, and you made a face when it happened.

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He made a comment about some of those popular Bible verses and you heard her sigh. Yes. Like a frustrated sigh.

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Yes, I did. Hang on, I'm gonna play that again. This is the very beginning again, okay?

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Here we go. Welcome to our deep dive. And today we're gonna be tackling, you know, those

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Bible verses everyone knows, but maybe doesn't really know. You know what I mean? Right there, yep. You should have an excerpt from the book,

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Forty Most Popular. That's so realistic. Yep. That was pretty impressive.

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Okay, let's keep going. Except it didn't sound, I mean, I don't know. I guess I don't listen to too many people sigh.

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But it just sounded like. Oh, that's. It could have been. Every time I mentioned the name Beth Moore. Oh my goodness.

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I didn't mean it was an unrealistic sound. I was saying it didn't sound gender specific.

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Like I couldn't tell if that was. Oh, it sounded like her. Did it? It did, yep. It sounded like the female voice.

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Yeah, her. Her. It's still an it. AI. Yeah, it's AI. AI her. Okay, this is right after her ubiquitous, okay?

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So going on to the next verse, here we go. John 3, 1, 6, for God so loved the world.

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You see him bumper stickers, billboards, I mean, you name it. Okay, so she said John 3, 1, 6, and it sounded like sick.

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Sick. Yeah. So it didn't, I noticed in a few of them, it didn't quite understand the concept of how you say a

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Bible reference. Sometimes it got it right, but it was usually when the number was a single digit.

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What are you saying? I'm giggling because whenever I watch the

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English dub things with the AI. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The really poor edited ones,

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I mean, the poorly done ones, and it says doctor as a D -R. Okay.

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Instead of saying doctor so and so, they say D -R. It says D -R, so okay. So Becky watches these

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Asian shows. Not all the time. That'll be dubbed over with AI.

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Yes, sometimes. So the AI. Sometimes the storyline is just interesting enough to keep me there, but most of the time it's very annoying.

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This, this is more realistic than those shows that you watch. Very much, yes. Because those are obnoxious.

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They are. I was out with some friends one night, Becky wasn't with us, and I said, you know,

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I've been married to this wonderful woman for 15 years, and there's very little that she ever does that I would say just outright annoys me.

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But right now she's watching these Asian shows that are dubbed over with AI, and I can't even sit in the same room with it.

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I'm just, okay. English AI. Yeah. It's so funny.

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It's so bad. It's hilarious. It's terrible. Especially when they get the voice wrong for that character.

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Oh, yeah. It's so funny. I start rolling. I mean, she's played a few of them for me.

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They're funny, but it's still like, okay, I can handle this for about a minute or two. Two seconds. Yeah, that's about it.

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Yeah. All right, so continuing on here with John 3 -1 -6. Yes. Okay, here we go.

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But this book really gave me a new perspective on it. Yeah, it's not just about how much God loves us, right? It's about how he shows that love.

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Exactly. The book brilliantly connects John 3 -1 -6 to the story of Numbers 21, where the

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Israelites are dying from snake bites, and their only hope is to look at that bronze serpent that Moses put up on a pole.

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It's this powerful image, and John 3 -1 -6 uses it to illustrate how God's love operates. It's not just this feeling, it's a specific action.

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And that time we got 3 -1 -6. Yeah, that was the past two times, by the way. It said 3 -1 -6?

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Okay. I got the 3 -1 -6 the first time. But then the last two times, she said - 3 -1 -6, okay, so not even understanding the point of a colon.

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I feel like it's math. Yeah, I know. It's like that bronze serpent foreshadows

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Jesus on the cross and by believing in him, we're saved, layers upon layers. Okay, now let's shift gears a bit and talk about a verse that I think gets misapplied quite often.

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Jeremiah 29 -11 -1, for I know - Jeremiah 29 -11 -1? That's a little confusing.

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What's funny is when I hear that, I'm like, oh no, I typoed, and I'll go back and like, did I not even do the verse right?

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No, I got it right. It just, it's having trouble with the - Yeah, the colon. Right. Yeah, interesting.

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So whoever programmed this didn't program it on how to read a Bible reference. What? How absurd.

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Who was gonna use this for Bible references? Oh, the plans I have for you, you know?

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It's so tempting to read that and think, sweet, God's got my dream job lined up. Right, perfect life, no problems, everything falls into place.

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But the book really cautions against that kind of interpretation. It reminds us that this verse was written to the

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Israelites in exile. You know, they were facing this very specific and difficult situation. It was a message of hope in the middle of hardship.

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So it's not saying we'll never struggle or face challenges, but it is saying that God's in control even when our plans fall apart.

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How does knowing that change how you see this verse? Does it make it more or less comforting? For me, it makes it more powerful, honestly.

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It's not a promise of a comfortable life, but a promise of God's presence and guidance, you know, through whatever life throws at us.

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And speaking of hardship, let's talk about Romans 8 -2a, a verse often used to sugarcoat difficult situations.

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And we know that in all things, God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

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Oh, it's so tempting to grab onto that and say, see, everything's gonna be fine.

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But the book really digs into what Paul means by good here. Right, it's not necessarily about our earthly comfort or happiness.

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The context of Romans is all about our spiritual growth, about being shaped into the image of Christ. So it's not about avoiding the hard times, but about trusting that God can use those hard times for our ultimate good, even if we don't see it right away.

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You know, it makes me think of Psalm 23 -4. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,

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I will fear no evil for you are with me. It's often quoted at funerals, but I think it applies to any kind of struggle that we face.

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Anyway, I'll stop it there. That's so weird that they can give their own opinion. Like you didn't grab that from the book, you know?

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Well, that is in the book. I know. So I'm explaining the verse in the book. Right, right,

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I know. But I'm saying that she says it like it's her opinion. Right, right, like it was her idea. Yeah, and I was just like, hmm, well, that's interesting.

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I have to say though, I'm extremely impressed with the segues. Yeah. So right after talking about Jeremiah 29 -11, it's like, by the way, speaking of this, let's talk about Romans 8 -28.

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Yeah. Like it just flows from one right into the next. I did that on purpose when I arranged those chapters, but I don't have segues in there like that.

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So the fact that the AI connected that and saved it from one verse into the next, like it picked up on my nuance in why

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I arranged these verses in that particular order. That is so crazy. I know, that's impressive.

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I was sitting here listening to this going, this is, wow. Sounds like I paid somebody to review my book.

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That's what it is. Yeah, it does. So there you go, fun with AI. What's funny is

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I haven't discovered any of this stuff until, you know, just the last year or so.

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Well, this is pretty new. This is a pretty new thing that - I was gonna say, this is the first I've heard about it. Yeah, but just playing with AI in general.

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And I did put a little blurb at the very front of the book that says none of this book was written by AI.

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Oh, funny. I did that as a joke, but now the more I've been messing with AI, I'm like, that might need to seriously be a -

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Probably a thing. Yeah. I'd have to - Like may contain this food. It's, yeah, not written by AI.

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May contain this synthetic substance. None of this book is synthetic. I love it.

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All right, let's get to a couple of questions here if we can. This is from Peter.

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He says, hello, Pastor Gabe. Thank you for reading the LSB, the Legacy Standard Bible for your Hear the

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Word of the Lord podcast. At the beginning of the year, I was looking for an LSB audio Bible, but didn't find one.

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After the January 31st Q &A on the What podcast, I started listening to Hear the Word of the Lord. I also wanted to let you know that Exodus 8 -10 played correctly for me this week.

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Yes. And I'm several weeks behind on both podcasts. Okay, so whatever happened there with Exodus 8 -10, apparently has corrected itself.

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Oh, interesting. I thought you tweaked it. I tried, but it was still coming up the wrong episode.

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Oh, that's right, yeah. And there was another, I can't remember which one it was confusing it with. Leviticus, I think it was,

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Leviticus 8 -10. So it was taking Leviticus 8 -10 and sticking it in Exodus 8 -10.

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And I don't know why it did that because the file name is not the same. The only thing that's the same is 8 -10.

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So for whatever reason, it was bugging out and was just grabbing another audio file and dumping it in the wrong one.

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And no matter how many times, sometimes I deleted the file and completely re -uploaded it and it didn't change.

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And so I added a disclaimer to the podcast and just said, I'm sorry, I don't know what's.

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Yeah. I uploaded the right file, I checked it multiple times. So now apparently it's playing correctly. So I wonder if it was an error with the app.

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Yeah, I don't have any idea. The program, you know, that you use. Right, well, it was in.

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Like the online one, not. Podbean. My host site. Yes. Anyway, thankfully it's playing correctly now.

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Yes, praise the Lord. So Peter goes on, I have a question that arose because of the legacies rendering of God's name is

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Yahweh. In Exodus 6 -3, God states that he was not known by his name

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Yahweh to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. In Genesis 18 -14,

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God says to Abraham, is anything too difficult for Yahweh? In Genesis 24, there are several instances referring to God as Yahweh in quotations.

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This appears to contradict Exodus 6 -3. Are these not meant to be direct quotations?

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Is this a result of Genesis being written to an audience that already knew God's name is

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Yahweh? Thank you for what you do, Peter. Oh, that's interesting. Well, I actually talked about this in a

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Sunday school class. Okay. Because we've been going through Exodus in our Sunday school class at church. I must've missed that one.

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And it was when a brother Allen had actually taught through Exodus 6 and then he was gonna be gone the next week.

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And I said, there was part of Exodus 6 I wanna touch on. Do you mind if I come back to the chapter and hit that part?

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And it was about this specifically in Exodus 6 -3. Now I'm reading here from the English standard.

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Okay. So you can hear that it's really not much different in the English standard than what said in the legacy, except that in the legacy, the name

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Yahweh appears, okay? So Exodus 6, starting in verse two, God spoke to Moses and said to him,

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I am the Lord. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty but by my name, the

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Lord, I did not make myself known to them. I also established my covenant with them to give them the land of Canaan, the land in which they lived as sojourners.

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Moreover, and then it goes on from there. So in the legacy, it will say, I am

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Yahweh. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty but by my name,

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Yahweh, I did not make myself known to them. It's still the same in the English standard as it is in the legacy because you still have the

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Tetragrammaton, the capital L -O -R -D. Right. And so whether you're reading it from the

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ESV or the LSB, you would still see that it's the same statement.

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By that name, the Tetragrammaton, Yahweh, I did not make myself known to them. So is that accurate that Abraham did not know that God's name was

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Yahweh? Well, if you go back to Genesis 14, you have that occasion in which

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Lot's been taken captive. Abraham musters up his men. Well, Abram is what he's called at this time.

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And he goes and he rescues Lot. And then after striking down Chedder Lamer and the

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Kings who were with him, who had taken Lot captive, the King of Sodom comes out to meet

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Abram at the Valley of Sheba, which is the King's Valley. And Melchizedek, the

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King of Salem, brought out bread and wine, and he was the priest of God Most High. And then he blessed him and said, blessed be

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Abram of God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth, and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand.

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Then Abram gave Melchizedek a 10th of all. Verse 21, and the King of Sodom said to Abram, give the people to me, but take the possessions for yourself.

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Then Abram said to the King of Sodom, I have raised my hand to Yahweh, God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth, that I will not take a thread or a sandal strap or anything that is yours, so that you would not say

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I have made Abram rich. I will take nothing except what the young men have eaten and the share of the men who went with me,

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Aner, Eshel, and Mamre, let them take their share. Okay, so you've got

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Abram actually identifying God as Yahweh, God Most High.

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And so there's something to Peter's question here. Are these not meant to be direct quotations or is this a result of Genesis being written to an audience that already knew

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God's name was Yahweh? So remember that Moses is the writer of Genesis. Yeah, that's what

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I was thinking. He's the author of the first five books, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.

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So is it just that because the people of Israel already know God's name as Yahweh, then when

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Moses pens Genesis, he just goes ahead and includes that name there? You know what

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I mean? Yeah. So I'm gonna go ahead and say that Abram called upon Yahweh even though he would not have known that name.

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Is that what Moses intended by that? Now, when I taught this in my Sunday school class,

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I said, I'm gonna argue no, that Abram actually did know God by that name

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Yahweh. That is how God has made himself known. It is Yahweh, I am the self -existent one.

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So he will give that name to his people because it's his covenant name.

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So Abraham knew it, Isaac and Jacob knew it, Moses knew it. So what could be known by this statement in Exodus 6 .3?

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I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty but by my name, the

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Lord, by my name Yahweh, I did not make myself known to them.

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Well, did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob know God the same way that Moses and the

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Israelites did? No. No, they didn't because they get to see a power in a demonstration of his glory and his deliverance in a way that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did not know.

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Right. So by this name, God was going to set himself with his people, he was going to free them out of slavery, he was going to deliver them to a land of promise.

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Right. So he is revealing more about himself to this people than even

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Abraham, Isaac and Jacob knew. So this is an understanding that a person's character, what you know about a person is tied in with their name.

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Yes. So there's aspects about God, things about God that even the patriarchs did not know, but Moses and the rest of Israel would get to know.

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This is a demonstration of God's grace to them in his mercy and his love and that he's gonna free them from slavery and give them a land that is flowing with milk and honey.

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Yeah. They're gonna get to see the fulfillment of a promise. Right. Of a covenant that God made with Abraham that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did not get to see.

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Right. But they will get to see it. So that's what is meant there by this name, they didn't know me by this name in this way.

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Right. But you get to know it. Right. So that's the understanding. That's the difference there.

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And it was one of my favorite lessons that I've ever taught and there's more to it than that, but we don't record those lessons.

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So sorry, I can't give you the rest of that. Maybe I'll get to that one some other time.

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Well, I appreciate you guys listening. We're gonna end this first half hour. Okay. When I get to the second half hour here, we're gonna respond to Steve Lawson actually issued an apology this week.

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Nice. So we're gonna read that apology. Praise the Lord. And respond to some questions about it. So there we go.

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All right. Well, thank you for joining me, babe. You're welcome. Don't forget to look us up online, www .utt

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That's coming up next. Totally worth it. Love you, babe. Love you. Joel 231 says that the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the awesome day of the

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Lord comes. Bestselling author John Hagee has said that the latest tetrad or series of four consecutive total lunar eclipses is a sign of that very prophecy.

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God has said through Joel and St. Peter, listen, when this happens, it's unusual. He bases his teaching of four blood moons on the observation that during a lunar eclipse, the moon appears kind of red, but the

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Bible says nothing about eclipses in the end times. For one thing, tetrads are not unusual. There will be eight of them in this century alone.

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Hagee also likes to mention that these eclipses all occur on Jewish holidays, but that's also not unusual since the

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Jewish calendar is based on phases of the moon. Anything lunar on any Jewish holiday has no prophetic significance.

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He makes some other claims that are just silly. For example, he reads a passage from Mark 13 about the sun being darkened and the moon not giving its light and says,

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That verse describes a time in the future when the sun and the moon will eclipse at the same time. Except that the sun and the moon can't eclipse at the same time.

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For all his blathering about NASA predictions, NASA has said this is coming. He misses that astronomical fact.

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He also fails to realize that eclipses are events that only a small portion of the globe can witness. If anything, these should be evidences that Mark 13 is not talking about an eclipse.

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Understand, Christian, that the Bible says nothing about four blood moons or an eclipse being a sign of the day of the

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Lord. It's a false teaching when we understand the text. Oldie but a goldie.

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I went back to the archives to fish that one out. That was back in the first like year or two that I was doing what videos when

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John Hagee was making his blood moons prophecies, none of which came true, by the way.

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But I chose that video in light of, no pun intended, the lunar eclipse that was last night.

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Did you get the chance to see it? Oh, it was so gorgeous. Now, nothing like a solar eclipse.

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You realize that solar eclipse that crossed North America was just 11 months ago, April of last year.

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The total solar eclipse, I went back to East Texas to be able to see that eclipse. We had some other things, but that weekend in particular seemed like the best one.

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To head back to East Texas so we could see the total solar eclipse. That is one of the most amazing natural phenomena

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I have ever seen in my life, a solar eclipse. And I've seen two of them. Both of the ones that we had seven years apart that had crossed

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North America. The first one went from the Northwestern part of the United States down to the

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Southeast. And that would have been, that was 2017, wasn't it? And then this one went from somewhere around Texas on up to the

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Northeast. Got to see both of those. Had to travel to different parts of the country in order to see them.

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But I would take that opportunity to see another solar eclipse if one was going to happen in our country, in the

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United States. But I don't think there's going to be another one for several decades. But this one, a lunar eclipse.

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Haven't seen a lunar eclipse in a while either. There hasn't been one in the US since 2022.

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The kids did not remember the last lunar eclipse. We were living in Texas at the time and I remember waking them up, walking outside and they were just all kind of sleep dazed, looking up like, oh, okay, you know, and then went back to bed.

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So they really wanted to see the one last night. So I got them up. It was sometime between 11 or 12 o 'clock when it reached totality.

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You had that blood moon look. I don't know if you're familiar with the Legend of Zelda series of video games, but there's a blood moon in a couple of those games and the girls were concerned like there was going to be something evil and mystic about it.

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I said, no, it's just going to be a dark moon. It's going to be a nice rust color. So they were not nearly as blown away about it as I was,

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I think. I just think that stuff is absolutely fascinating. You know, I've chased tornadoes. When I lived in Kansas, I chased big storms.

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I mean, terrifying storms. F4 tornadoes may have been the largest tornado that I ever saw.

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These storms are magnificent. And there is just something about seeing that much power over your head, swirling, moving as fast as it is.

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It's dangerous because it could kill you in an instant. Like if you get struck by lightning, you'd be dead in a flash, literally.

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So it's not a safe hobby, but I've done that and seen these massive, gorgeous storms.

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And yet I think the most incredible phenomenon I've ever seen is still a total solar eclipse.

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I've had some people tell me they didn't think it was, they didn't think it sounded all that neat until I told them, hey, if you're near where a total solar eclipse is going to pass over, not 98%, that doesn't count.

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You've got to go where the totality will be, where the shadow of the moon will pass over that spot of land.

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Go there and see it. And I remember having somebody last year tell me, oh,

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I am so glad I took you up on that because that was really incredible. You just don't know how amazing it is until you have the chance to see it.

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And you consider that the moon is just the perfect size and just the perfect distance from earth so that when it passes between earth and the sun, it perfectly covers the sun and casts the moon shadow across the land as you're in the shadow of that totality.

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It is such an incredible sight. And of course, it is evidence of our great creator who has made all of these things.

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Psalm 19, the heavens declare the glory of God and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.

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Day to day pours out speech and night to night reveals knowledge.

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Yeah, even seeing that beautiful lunar eclipse where you're seeing the sun or sorry, the moon in the shadow of the earth, the sun on the other side, the earth between the sun and the moon.

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There is no speech nor are there words whose voice is not heard. Psalm 19, four, their voice goes out through all the earth and their words to the end of the world.

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In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber and like a strong man runs its course with joy.

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It's rising is from the end of the heavens and its circuit to the end of them. And there is nothing hidden from its heat.

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Going on, the law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul. The testimony of the

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Lord is sure making wise the simple. The precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart.

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The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the

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Lord is clean, enduring forever. The rules of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

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You consider it's by the command of God that the sun and the moon and the earth are set the way they are and run these cycles the way that they do so that we can even predict when the next eclipse is going to be.

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Because all of these things run according to the set command of God.

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And if God has set these commands upon these things that he has made, he's brought into existence just by speaking a word.

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Then how much more do we need to be paying attention to that word that has been spoken to us?

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We who have been made in his image, who have been created to glorify

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God. Yes, the sun, moon, and stars give glory to God, but we especially who have been made in his image, we have been made to praise

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God. And so let us do what we've been made to do and doing it to the glory of his great name in the name of our

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Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, who rose again from the dead so that all who believe in him, our sins are forgiven.

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We are made right with God. We are made his children that we may worship him for he alone is worthy of our worship.

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Well, as I mentioned with the second half of the program, I was gonna be reading the letter that was just released by Steve Lawson.

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Was it yesterday or the day before? Mid part of the week, somewhere. So Steve Lawson has finally broken his silence and issued a public apology.

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Now I gave a report over what had happened with Lawson back in September when the news broke.

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So I talked about that here on this broadcast. I felt like it was right. It was appropriate for me to also read his apology.

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Since we talked about that here, I have answered questions about some of those things here. So let me read this apology and then

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I'm going to respond to some questions, not from some named questioners, but like general questions that I've seen on social media, kind of in response to this apology that has come out.

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So let me read of it first of all. Now, coming into the apology, in case you don't know, Steve Lawson was exposed back in the fall as having had an affair with another woman.

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He committed adultery with her, a much younger woman, by the way. And once this was exposed, he resigned from his pastorate and from all of his ministry positions.

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And for the most part, kind of disappeared. We did not hear from him. We did not even know where he was living because he wasn't remaining in Texas, which was where he was pastoring the church,

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Trinity Church that was there in Dallas. So everything has been very in the dark for now until this apology that has come out this week.

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And here is what the former Pastor Lawson has said. It is with a shattered heart that I write this letter.

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I have sinned grievously against the Lord, against my wife, my family, and against countless numbers of you by having a sinful relationship with a woman, not my wife.

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I am deeply broken that I have betrayed and deceived my wife, devastated my children, brought shame to the name of Christ, reproach upon his church, and harm to many ministries.

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You may wonder why I have been silent and largely invisible since the news of my sin became known.

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I have needed the time to search my own soul to determine that my repentance is real.

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I alone am responsible for my sin. I have confessed my sin to the

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Lord, to my wife and my family, and have repented of it. I have spent the past months searching my heart to discover the roots of my sin and mortifying them by the grace of God.

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I hate my sin, weep over my sin, and have turned from it. My sin carries enormous consequences, and I will be living with those for the rest of my life.

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Over the years, many have looked to me for spiritual guidance, and I have failed you.

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I beg for your forgiveness. I have been undergoing extensive counseling for the last five months to face the hard questions

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I need to address. I have dealt with sin issues that have been painfully exposed in my heart.

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I have submitted myself in weekly accountability to two pastors and to the elders of a local congregation who have shepherded my soul.

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I am also under the oversight of an accountability team who monitor my progress and give me wise counsel in the decisions

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I have to make. I am growing in grace, reading and absorbing the word of God, putting it into practice, praying and meeting with other believers.

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I am involved in the life of the church, attending and participating in prayer meetings,

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Sunday school, the worship service, and taking communion weekly.

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I'm being fed the word in the midweek Bible study. Please pray for my spiritual growth into Christ -likeness as I follow him moment by moment during this recovery season.

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I am grateful for the unmerited grace of God in the gospel to extend his full forgiveness to me.

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Again, I ask for your forgiveness as well. While I continue to do the hard work of soul -searching repentance,

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I do not intend to make further public comments for the foreseeable future. Please pray for the

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Lord's mercy and grace as I seek to make right the deeply wrong sins

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I have committed against my wife and family and that in his time and way, he will bring about redemption and restoration in our marriage for his glory.

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Steve Lawson. I very much appreciate that apology and I hope it's something that ministers to you.

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Now, responding to some questions that I have seen about this apology, not gonna go into like a broad list of questions.

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I've narrowed this down into basically three categories and we'll respond to a lot of those things in these three questions, okay?

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Number one, why didn't Lawson mention his sin? I'll just stop there.

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We'll kind of expound on that here in a moment. Number two, who was the woman? What about her?

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And then number three, where do we go from here? So let me come back up to question number one.

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Why did he not mention his sin? So there have been some who have analyzed this particular apology and they have thought that Lawson should have been very specific, very particular about the sin that he committed.

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All he says in the apology, when you go back up and you read here, he says that I have sinned against my wife, my family, against countless numbers of you by having a sinful relationship with a woman, not my wife.

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No further details are given. So some are expecting, if there is going to be a genuine claim of repentance here, then shouldn't he name what it is that he is guilty of and what he is apologizing for?

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And I would push back on that. I would say, no, I don't think it's necessary for him to do that.

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He's said enough here. He has said exactly what he has done. He sinned against God and named the people that he has harmed, including those who are reading this apology.

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And I said back in September, when we did this, back when the news first broke, it's okay for you to be mad.

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It's okay for you to be hurt because you looked up to this man. You listened to his sermons. You probably even paid to attend a conference that he was preaching at.

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Yeah, he let you down. He had hurt you just as much as he had hurt others as well, other friends of his that he had partnered with in ministry.

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Now, as far as his close relationships go, there's nobody that he offended more than his wife and members of his own family, but he most especially sinned against God.

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And Lawson mentioned those things. And I don't think that it's necessary for him to go further than that. Consider Psalm 51.

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Now, Psalm 51 was a Psalm that we read even back in the fall when all of this news had broken.

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And does David ever mention in Psalm 51 that he had committed adultery?

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Sexual sin is not mentioned in Psalm 51. He says that he is guilty of blood, although he doesn't even mention there that he murdered a man or he had a man killed.

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It could be that that statement is just about the fact that he deserves his own bloodshed because of the sin that he had committed against God.

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But David never mentions exactly the sins that he's guilty of. Doesn't mention the adultery, doesn't mention the fact that he then set that woman's husband up to be killed on the battlefield to try to cover up this sin.

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David says at the start of the Psalm, have mercy on me, oh God. According to your steadfast love, according to your abundant mercy, blot out my transgressions, wash me thoroughly from my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin.

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For I know my transgressions and my sin is ever before me. Verse four, against you, you only have

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I sinned and done what is evil in your sight so that you may be justified in your words and blameless in your judgment.

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Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me.

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Behold, you delight in truth in the inward being and you teach me wisdom in the secret heart.

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Now there's a particular spot that I wanna get to here. I think it's very, very important for us understanding not only this situation, but even if there's something that you may need to repent of before God, sin that you fall into.

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There's a key part of this Psalm here in Psalm 51, right in the middle. Let me continue on. Verse seven, purge me with hyssop and I shall be clean.

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Wash me and I shall be wider than snow. Let me hear joy and gladness.

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Let the bones that you have broken rejoice. Hide your face from my sins and blot out all my iniquities.

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Create in me a clean heart, oh God, and renew a right spirit within me.

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Cast me not away from your presence and take not your Holy Spirit from me.

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Restore to me the joy of your salvation and uphold me with a willing spirit.

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Restore to me the joy of your salvation. How did David fall into this sin?

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Yes, lust is part of it. Yes, there was greed, there was wrath, there was anger.

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There was the desire for bloodshed even on David's heart in that he killed this woman's husband to try to cover up the sin that he had committed.

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But what was it that perpetuated all of this? How did David even fall into that sin to begin with?

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He forgot the joy of salvation and not delighting in God, not being thankful to him because of all the wonderful things that God had done for David.

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That was part of the rebuke that Nathan made to David when he came in the word of the Lord to confront

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David in his sin. He said, if you had asked me for more, I would have given it to you, but you go after this woman that did not belong to you, that belonged to another man.

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She belonged to your friend and you went after her. Instead of asking

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God for more, he would have given more to you. David was not satisfied with all that God had provided to him.

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And so lacking that thanksgiving, that joy in the salvation of God that had been given to him, he went after those things that he didn't have that he thought he needed to be more satisfied, the passions of his flesh.

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And then one sin turned into another, turned into another as he tried to cover all of that up. So it said there in Psalm 51, restore to me the joy of your salvation and uphold me with a willing spirit that his spirit would be willing to do righteousness in the presence of God, in worship and in glory to his name.

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And so David did not mention the particulars of his sin either in Psalm 51.

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It's not necessary for us to have to require that of everybody, of somebody like Steve Lawson even.

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Now there's been situations where somebody in my church, for example, has come to me and apologized for something and I've had to say to them, what are you apologizing for?

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Because I do want to make sure that they understand what it is that they have done. I do this with my children.

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When they have done something that they're gonna be punished for and I have them apologize,

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I will ask them, what are you apologizing for? You're saying you're sorry, but are you just doing that to try to lessen the punishment or do you know what you're really guilty of and you're asking for forgiveness because of the wrong that you have done?

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I've done this with my kids as well. There are people who are responsible for the shepherding of Lawson's soul and his family as well.

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This may not be done exactly the way that we would have liked it to be done. Maybe we would have chosen different words, but it's none of our business.

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And so it's not necessary for him to be particular about the sin. David wasn't particular about his, but we know that David was genuinely repentant before God.

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It's the nature of that whole Psalm that we get to read there in Psalm 51, David pouring out his heart over the conviction that he feels because of the sin that he had committed first against God before anybody else.

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So that's the answer to question one, why didn't he answer his sin or why didn't he mention his sin? Question number two, who was the woman?

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Why isn't the woman mentioned? Why don't we know who she is? Now, I am pretty sure that I do know who she is and it's just through various connections that I have and things like that, but it's not important for us to know that.

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It's not necessary for me to even know or even share what her name is since I'm not 100 % sure that I have it right.

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It would be a poor speculation anyway. I could be getting somebody in trouble and it wasn't even that person.

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Maybe sometime in the future, she will come out and issue her own apology and say, because of my own sin and my own lust,

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I brought down a pretty incredible ministry that had a pretty amazing effect on evangelicalism and I ruined that.

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But that is between her and the Lord. That will be sometime later. It's apparently not right now.

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You know, when a pastor commits adultery, a lot of times we focus on the pastor and that makes sense because James 3 .1

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says that he will be judged with greater strictness. Not many of you should aspire to become teachers, my brothers, because you know that teachers will be judged with greater strictness.

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Steve Lawson was the one with the ministry. He was the one with the platform. He had the spotlight. So all of the attention is going to be on him.

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Of course, he should be making some kind of apology to all of the millions of people that he had influenced with his ministry.

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You know, Ravi Zacharias, a few years back, if you'll remember this, Ravi was engaged in multiple adulterous affairs on several continents, but he died before all of that came out and that's really scary for Ravi Zacharias to have died in that state and have had to appear before God without those sins having been exposed or apologizing for them or being able to give, being able to have that chance to repent before he died and had to stand before God.

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I don't know how that went for Ravi Zacharias, but I can tell you that his appearing before God did not go well.

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Praise God that Steve Lawson was caught before he died.

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Now you can say, well, his sin was not nearly as bad as Ravi Zacharias. Sure, Zacharias may have had a way, he may have been steeped way more in his sin, but it's really because he had not been caught.

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He had not been held to account for those wicked things that he was done. Whereas Lawson has been caught before something worse could have happened and praise

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God. We don't know where it would have gone, but he's at least been exposed so that he has to lay these sins out.

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He's got to hold himself accountable to the people who are shepherding his soul. He is asking

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God for forgiveness. He is understanding the grace of God through what is said in his word, and he will be restored if that repentance is genuine.

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Not restored to ministry. He does understand, because we've seen it written elsewhere, even before this apology came out.

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He understands that he's permanently disqualified. He's never going to hold the position of a pastor again, and he shouldn't.

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His place is going to be as a lay person. It's going to be as a churchman for the rest of his life until he goes to be with the

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Lord. It's unfortunate because he did have a pretty incredible ministry, but praise God once again, that these things all came to light before Lawson died and had to appear before God in judgment.

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And so we should hope for that as well, that we would be convicted of heart, that we would seek forgiveness for our sins, that we would not be in these secret sins that we're hiding from everybody else and living the rest of our lives in that so that on that day when we appear before God, we would not hear him say, well done, good and faithful servant, but he would say, depart from me, you worker of lawlessness.

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I never knew you. That's a scary passage there in Matthew chapter seven.

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Many will say on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not do these mighty works in your name?

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Did I not have a mighty incredible ministry in your name? And he will look at that person and say, depart from me.

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You were a worker of lawlessness. You loved your sin more than you loved

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God. You kept that hidden. Though no one may have known about it, yet you continued in that because that was your idol.

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That's what you love. That's what you went in. It's in first John one six that says, if we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.

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So may we be able to say along with David, Psalm 51, restore to me the joy of your salvation.

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I kind of miss the subject of the question once again, but who was this woman and what about her?

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So once again, when a pastor commits adultery, he's the one that's going to be held responsible and he's going to be judged with greater strictness, but she is no less guilty.

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Now, let me speak generally in this sense, okay? I don't know who this woman is. I don't know what kind of disciplinary process she's going through and who she is answering to.

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But when a woman has committed adultery with a pastor, her sexual immorality devastated families, devastated her family, as well as his family.

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Now, the woman that Lawson was with was not married as far as I understand. But in most of these cases, when you hear about these accounts of a pastor being caught in adultery, he was married, she was married to somebody else.

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And so they have devastated both of their families. They brought devastation to many other families. They have hurt and afflicted the people that are in their own church.

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But she has brought down a ministry and she's going to have to answer for that before God.

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There's probably going to be something to that, to that kind of judgment. It's a little bit different than if she had committed adultery with anyone else.

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So he's going to be judged with greater strictness, but she is no less guilty. Hebrews 13, four says, let marriage be held in honor among all and let the marriage bed be undefiled for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

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And so may God also grant her repentance and she be seeking healing as well.

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And in so doing, it needs to be apart from Steve Lawson. It won't be with him.

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He needs to focus his time and his energy on his wife and on his family and the church that he is a part of.

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She needs to be in a different church and will be disciplined by other elders.

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They weren't part of the same church anyway. But in these instances that you hear of, a pastor committing adultery with another woman, a lot of times the power dynamics politics starts coming into this.

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I even saw a comment from one person who said that she wasn't guilty because Steve Lawson was in such a position of power.

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And so she was kind of intimidated by that, felt like she could not say no because of his power position.

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And so therefore she did not carry any guilt in this particular affair, adultery, but she does.

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She will also stand in judgment before God for this and she must repent as well.

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It is kind of ridiculous how a lot of the narrative, especially because of intersectionality and power dynamics and things like that, a lot of the narrative almost wants to give women innocence.

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All women are innocent. Men are the sinners. They're the ones that mess up and they're the ones that do all kinds of wicked things.

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Y 'all, I can speak from firsthand experience. Women can be really, really evil and conniving as well, just as much as men can be.

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So do not get sucked into this feminist narrative that men are somehow more guilty than women.

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That is absolutely absurd. And it will make a woman think that she's not really all that responsible for the sins that she becomes guilty of.

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You have a situation such as this where a pastor's committed adultery with a woman. If she's listening to those feminist intersectional narratives out there, she's gonna be thinking, oh yeah, it was all him.

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That wasn't me. Maybe she feels guilty about it at first, but then she comes around to thinking, oh yeah,

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I got manipulated. I couldn't resist him because he was a person in a position of power.

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And all that is absurd. You're damning that woman if that's where you're going as she begins to think that she's not guilty of sin.

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As also said in 1 John 1, if we say that we have no sin, we lie and the truth is not in us.

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So now the third part of this, third general sort of a question that I've seen following this apology is where do we go from here?

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Well, honestly, I think we need to forgive Steve and we need to move on. There is not a reason for us to have to dig at this anymore and require more details and feel like he didn't do it right.

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And so I expect to hear different kinds of words from him. Honestly, I love the way that this concludes in which he says,

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I do not intend to make further public comments for the foreseeable future. I think really this should be it.

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And we don't ever have to hear from Steve Lawson again. He is focusing on those personal relationships that he has, that he needs to mend, that he desires reconciliation in, that God would restore the relationship that he has with his wife.

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I mean, I cannot imagine the level of embarrassment that she feels. The level of hurt, not just because her husband cheated on her, and she's got biblical grounds for divorce if she wanted to, but the fact that this was in such a high public platform for the feelings that she has in all of this, probably feeling like there are certain people she can't see, places she can't go, because people just look at her with, you know, a sense of pity or something.

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Oh, poor woman, she's, there's that lady that her husband cheated on, and that's something she's gonna feel like she's stuck with for the rest of her life.

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So even on her part, there are things that she has to lay before God and desire that he would heal and restore in their marriage so that the two of them together can be reconciled to one another and reconciled to God.

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I mean, it's a courageous thing for her to want to remain married and work this thing out. And so may it be by the blessing of God that indeed they will be able to work these things out.

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But I don't think it's any of our business. I don't think we should pry. I don't think there's any reason for us to have to continue in this anymore.

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I am grateful to God that he's made this public apology. I'm grateful to hear the level of repentance that he expresses here, that he has felt guilt over his sin.

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He has understood the people that he has hurt. And I pray the Lord continues to work in his life toward restoration, that he would humbly just submit himself as a churchman from here on out, attending church,

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Bible study, prayer meetings, things like that. And as Steve has expressed and has desired that he would be conformed to the image of Christ, growing all the more in Christ likeness.

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May the Lord grant him that. And may we be satisfied enough in our curiosity that we can grant him that as well.

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Forgive him in your heart and let's move on. There are many other pressing matters in the kingdom of God that need our attention.

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Well, that does it for me today. And once again, if you have any questions that you would like to submit to the program, send them to whenweunderstandthetext at gmail .com.

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We are back to our New Testament study next week. Book of Luke, still in chapter nine.

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That's Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. Thursday will be our Old Testament study in Jeremiah. And then