Defending The Faith & Refuting James' White's Daughter

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Can we start this thing now? Can we start this thing now? Yeah? We can do this? Yeah. Okay. So let's talk. You saw everybody that I put it in.

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I actually put it into the title for today. The actual title says it, Defending the Faith and Refuting James White's Daughter.

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Someone said, why don't you just use their name? Because I want to go for the throat, okay? That's what I just want to go for.

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I want to go for the throat. That's figured. James White's daughter, our fellow pastor, our fellow elder.

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No, Summer's not. No, no, she's not. Yeah, just to be clear. We don't have lady pastors here. You know what channel you're on.

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I shouldn't have to explain these things to you. James White's daughter, she's working with Joy the

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Girl. They do Sheologians, a production of Apologia Studios. We do all that stuff here and we send it out into the world and it's blessing people and all that stuff.

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And again, I don't always monitor, because I don't think I have to, the shows and I make sure nothing heretical or crazy is being said, but I came across the first few minutes of a episode that's fairly recent.

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It's Pratty Pragmatism Round Two. And I'm not sure what this conversation had to do with pragmatism, but it is what it is.

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First eight minutes, it's just two girls giggling away, talking about things. And we do love that.

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We love the banter and all those things, because we think that's how, it's just us. We're not putting on a front.

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But some stuff was said here and I can't find it. Maybe it'll come up here. I can't find it, but it's what drew my attention to it initially.

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And I think that Summer Jaegers, who just had a baby, so congratulations. Summer Jaegers' comment, and I believe this is a direct quote, was that Southern barbecue is disgusting.

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And I think she said it - Is that Summer? No, that's my daughter, Imogen, calling me.

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And so she said - She works here. Doesn't she know we're recording? She said, like, check it out. Hey, Kyle, call my daughter.

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Call your wife, my daughter, and let her know that we're on the show. And where was I? I got totally thrown off.

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Okay, so - What? Okay, that's a second phone call. You should just answer it now. Okay, Kyle's on it.

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You should just say, welcome to Apology Radio, Imogen. Okay, so where was

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I? Okay, Summer Jaegers says that Southern barbecue is, and I quote, disgusting.

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And she says it, I think, more than once. And let me just play the comments here. Okay, I'll play the comments. And you're not really in trouble because it's not like you were saying it, but you just, you love your friend so much, you were just going along with it.

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You didn't correct her. You didn't correct her. You didn't confront. Like, Luke and I have history. Like, if he says something

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I don't agree with, I'm free to say, no, I don't agree. And he does the same thing to me. And so we would like that to rub off on you.

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When someone like Summer says something absolutely insane -

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So offends so many of your audience, I think you probably lost supporters after this show.

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I think people were like, that's it. That was the final straw. She offended the entire South. All of the

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South. All of the South was gone. But she didn't just say that Southern barbecue is disgusting, which who says that?

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Southern barbecue is like, that's, it's what the South is known for. Yeah, I don't, I think it came from there. Yeah. I'm pretty sure.

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And I dare you. I did it this morning. Just do it. I wouldn't usually say Google it for truth, but I mean, you can do this easily.

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Google best barbecue in the United States and just look at all the websites that give you the listings of the best barbecues in the

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United States. And where are they from? So I actually know for sure that because it's actually, barbecue is, it's like, it has

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African descent. So there was a, there was a slavery element that we,

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I mean, I don't know how true it is to its, its origins, but it's basically all the flavors and spices that were used in Africa and then, and they made us here, made the world better.

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I mean, they made it beautiful. You're not wrong at all. Have you not seen fried three tomatoes, people? So, okay.

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We're going to get to the comments about Southern barbecue being disgusting and that's just an embarrassment.

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I mean, Summer and Luke, can you please, when I, when I introduced you to this, when I walked into the studio today and I said, she said

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Southern food like is restaurants and Southern barbecue is disgusting. What's the first thing you said? Cause that's exactly what I thought this morning.

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This coming from the spawn of the man who literally only eats the whitest food on the face of this earth.

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That includes the blandest, most awful tacos and Arby's. Yes. And spaghetti from the

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Olive Garden. Dr. James White is the smartest man I've ever met in my entire life.

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There's times to this day where he'll be talking or we have a conversation or I'll see him doing something.

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And I think to myself, how does one human being contain this much information and knowledge and, and how, how can you be that skillful with that much knowledge?

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But we clearly all have deficits because one thing that Dr.

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James White does not know is food and he thinks like the best tacos in the world are from taco time.

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Right. Which is literally the worst. Which I, so in her defense,

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I don't think Summer has bad food opinions. She just has very strong food opinions.

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And I think, I think, I think we know where objectively bad. I'm not saying you're just defending your friend again.

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You're just protecting her. I'm just saying, I think we know where she got her strong opinions from regardless of whether they're good opinions or not.

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If you're going, if you want to go out the elder, we have to have an elder meeting. So we say, okay, we're going to have an elder meeting. We're going to talk about everything he's going to talk about and we're going to eat together.

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Where do you want to eat? And we know it's only one place. We can't pick any place that's like, right. We have to go to a place that serves a cheese quesadilla or a chicken cheese quesadilla.

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And that's a, that's about it. A cheese quesadilla. Like if we suggest any place else, it's like, eh, let's, can we just go back to feeling it?

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And we have to, we have to yield to the hero of the faith. He's, you know, he gets all in, he gets, he gets to decide everything.

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And so also recently became a grandfather again. Congratulations. I guess. So I'm going to play through this cause we're going to, we're going to dissect this for a minute.

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So everyone can, you know, you need to hear this. This is interesting. So I don't think we've ever listened to sheologians on apology of radio before, so this is the first and it's nothing to be proud of.

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Get ready. Buckle up. All right. I'll never understand what it was like. I mean, I grew up because, so because I grew up in the

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Southwest, I grew up with real Mexican food. Right. But I also thought Olive Garden was

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Italian food. Okay. So then when I started visiting New York and I had real

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Italian food, that was like, oh, wow, this is a whole thing

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I've never experienced. And I do have a theory. I'm going to say this and yes, we're recording.

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Um, so I've been all over the West coast and you know, each region has its food.

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That's like, this is so good here. Now let's stop there. So at the beginning of the argument, she wants to lay down a foundation saying that each region has its food and they're great at it.

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And, but she thinks Southern barbecue is disgusting. Those two things don't come together.

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The claim that the region, it's not consistent, which is the sign of a failed argument. It's a sign of a failed argument.

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Her dad taught her that. She should know this. Inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument, Summer. Inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument.

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I'm sure you heard that many times growing up in your house. And so you just have to keep playing it because just so you guys know, while this episode came out this week,

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Summer recently had a baby. So we like bulk pre -recorded.

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So this was recorded long enough ago that I have no idea what was actually said in the conversation.

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So I feel like I can't even react. I mean, maybe she was like in that stage of pregnancy where like she only wanted to eat pickles and peanut butter or something.

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You know, maybe she's like, oh, Southern barbecue makes me want to throw up right now. She was with child when this was recorded. True. She was with child.

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So I will get, I'll give some concession that maybe it was like an eight month, you know, she's really angry, pregnant, you know, something.

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She's just like lashing out, throwing punches. I don't even know. I thought it could have been hormonal.

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All I'm saying is like Luke said, inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument. You said that region specializes in that food.

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It's excellent. But you said that Southern barbecue is disgusting.

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It's the best barbecue on planet Earth. On planet Earth. What is

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Summer? Do you know? What is Summer? Look, I'm making you answer for her. What does Summer think is good barbecue? Dave's barbecue?

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No, no. Um, I just, I really can't remember. You have to keep some barbecue sauce.

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No, no, no, no. That's definitely not it. She grew up in James White's household. So there's a very strong possibility.

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They served barbecue in bottles at the dinner table. Well, so I'm going without, without hearing any more of the conversation to refresh my memory.

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She did live in Georgia for a period of time and she should know better. But that is, there is a distinct difference between Atlanta barbecue and like just your average barbecue and Atlanta barbecue are different.

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But don't, but then you should be specific. North Carolina, North Carolina, the whole

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South. Yeah. North Carolina and South Carolina are so good at barbecue as two distinct states, but they're at war with it.

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Everyone from those states was talking about they're at war with each other over whose barbecue is better. Cause you got the mustard based sauce and you've got like the regular, you know, the sauce and then you've got like a more vinegar based.

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Oh, there she is. She's in the chat. Is she talking? Yep. Summer. She said, how dare you compare me to my father when it comes to food?

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Well, well, well, well, she definitely has much more of a wide taste.

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I would have thought that prior to hearing the statement about something. Oh, it gets worse.

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Okay. We'll continue. Yes. It gets worse. You know, sense that the more, the more people who cook that food culturally, it would be better in that you've never exclusively good, but like, no, you've never had a bagel till you've had a bagel in New York.

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True. Never had a slice. I'm assuming there's a difference between an Arizona lobster and a Maine lobster.

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Of course. They have lobsters here. That's what I was going to say. Inconsistency. What did you mean by that?

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Where are we growing lobsters? Canyon Lake. Well, they're shipped, obviously.

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So the premise of the argument is that that region is going to have the best stuff.

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And I do agree. You go to, you go to New York and you've got all these

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Italian immigrants that came there. And so you've got little Italy and I'll tell you, you ain't never had such delicious

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Italian food until you go to little Italy. For real, pizza is delicious and amazing.

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Agreed with all that. But inconsistency is a sign of a failed argument, Mrs. Summer Yeager, because you just said that region will specialize and make that.

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You haven't. So if I haven't had a bagel till I've gone to New York, then Summer, you haven't had barbecue till you've been to the

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South. Girl. Where were you living in Georgia?

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Where was Summer living in Georgia? I'm not totally sure. I couldn't tell you completely.

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Where was she living in Georgia to have bad barbecue in Georgia? Can I just, as we listen to the rest of this, let me just say real fast that when we were in Louisiana last, we had to go to the airport.

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We had some time. It's a long drive. North Georgia. That's right. I mean, I could have told you that, but I don't know what city.

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So Baton Rouge to New Orleans is quite a drive. And you got to drive through, you know, long swampy areas and stuff like that.

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So it's a long drive. We had to get some food. So we said, well, we can't leave Louisiana without having, of course, we're in Louisiana, some barbecue.

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Well, but you looked up something with good ratings and stuff, right? It's the South. I know, but there's like here, there's bad

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Mexican food. I was worried about the Cajun food. Especially San Diego. Terrible Mexican food.

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OK, but OK, so like we literally were like, real quick, I just was like, OK, barbecue Louisiana, like near me.

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And so I find this place and it looks straight gangster. And so I was like, that's where I'm going. And so I hit it.

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We show up. Let me just tell you about this experience. Have I told you this yet? OK, so we show up. It's like one o 'clock in the afternoon.

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Right. It's lunchtime. Yeah. And we pull up and we are in straight ghetto.

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OK. And there is literally a black Baptist church with its windows open.

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The guy's in there preaching. Right. It was such a great experience. I pulled into the drive. I get out of the car. And it's a rundown area and the windows are open to this church next door.

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And he's preaching the gospel. I was like, yes. And there was only one other car inside the parking lot in front of this rundown, disgusting, dilapidated looking building.

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And I'm like, so I go up to the door. I try to open it. It's locked. I'm like, oh no. And then this woman, this beautiful black woman comes out.

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This old, beautiful black woman comes out. She's like, come to the door. She's like, yeah, we're closed right now. And she said, but y 'all come on in.

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I was like, oh, I love you. And so she opens the door. We walk in. It's pitch black in there.

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The lights aren't on. Nothing's going. And she goes, sit down, honey, right now. And so I'm like, yes, ma 'am.

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And so I sit down. We sit down and then she's turning the lights on and everything. And she's cussing and yelling about the fact that no one had anything ready and her employees hadn't showed up.

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And she's just being like for real herself the whole time. Like she didn't care what customers. And she comes over and she's like, what y 'all want, baby?

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And I was like, I will take, you decide for us. I said, you give me your best and we'll do whatever.

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And she's like, OK, baby. And so she kept coming out. She'd be like, baby and honey. And she'd just give us sweet tea and all this stuff.

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And she brought out. She was doing. She did. She brought out the most amazing feast. And everybody at the table was like, this is hands down, without question, the best barbecue

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I've ever had in my entire life. And it was this rundown, beat up old place in the ghetto with this sweet, sweet, sweet old black woman that was just loving us.

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And she put her hand on us and say, honey, and you need to try this, honey. And she'd come. I'd be like, I'm stuffed. She's like, no, no, no.

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You try this. I was like, this is the greatest experience of my life. That is southern barbecue.

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And I'll tell you right now, I put that southern barbecue up against anybody in the world. And that's the straight south right there.

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And that's objectively true. That is. Yeah. Ask any of the team. They were like, this is insanely good. Insanely good.

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OK. One more thing about that. OK. So she makes this huge spread for us.

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And I'm telling you, it was like something out of like an old medieval movie of like the feast with the long table.

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And it was just like, OK. There are certain cultures that like to feed you. Yeah. And when I said like, just give me whatever you think,

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I didn't mean that because we couldn't eat all this. So I felt terrible. So now more customers start coming like an hour later.

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They all start pouring in because this place is like hot. And they all start pouring in. And the woman had to tell them, we don't have that.

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They ate it all. She gave you all of it. She gave us all their food. And she was like, it's going to take some time to get other stuff ready.

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And they were like, the people were like, can I have this? They were like, no. They ate all that too. You're like, here. I'm full. You can have mine. The table was like filled with all this food.

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I felt bad, but not really. So it was delicious. There's massive differences.

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All right. And I can appreciate all of that. I mean, I love pizza, but I'm not going to act like pizza

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I get here in Arizona is the pizza you get in New York City. They're not the same thing. It's not the same. That's fine.

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Okay. Now I've been all over. There's a part of me that doesn't want to do this because I get in a way what she's saying.

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That, like, you know, when you've been in New York and you've had New York pizza, I get it.

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Or Chicago. Yeah, I get it. Which they say it has something to do with the water.

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But I can't possibly believe that city water is more responsible for that. For something being better?

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No. Admittedly. For mutations? Yes. For things getting better.

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Food poisoning? Yes. I get it. Like, New York, you know, it's very competitive.

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You're there and it's like the Italian immigrants came there and they just said, this is how you do this. And they made it beautiful and amazing.

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I get it. Because if you're going to have a pizza place in New York, you've got to be good. Right. You've got to be good because like right around the corner is a place that is amazing.

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And they've been doing it for 125 years with the same oven. Right. And that makes the food even taste better. That's true. But there's just so much knowledge that I want to impart to Summer.

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Like, for example, this. This is a new Netflix special thing on Chef's Table on pizza.

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Check this out, Summer Jaeger. When it loads, there you go.

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Oh. I see. I did this book where I went around the country and went to Italy.

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I ate a thousand slices of pizza in one year. And I said in my dream job for me, the best pizza in the world is made in Phoenix, Arizona.

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People thought it was the most blasphemous thing you could say. Oh, it's not made in New York or it's not made in Italy.

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The food critic at Vogue said, you know, you're insane. It's like, OK, go to Phoenix.

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Eat the pizza. Talk to me. He calls me from the airport.

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He says, you were right. Pizzeria Bianco, baby.

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I mean, eight minutes from my house. Yeah. Yeah. Eight minutes from my house. Pizzeria Bianco. Yep. We need to have a staff meeting.

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Sounds good to me. Sounds like we should also have a staff meeting at a place that serves good

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Southern barbecue. We'll have to fly for that. But here's some more. Here's some more summer.

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I do have to say, I think the owner of Pizzeria Bianco is probably, I think he's from New York.

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OK, to be fair. I think he might be from New York. To be fair. Born and raised.

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But we have him now. Worked at all the pizza places. But he brought it.

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Just so you know. He's ours now. I'd like you to be excited about this summer. Is that we actually have the best pizza in the world in Phoenix and it's

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Pizzeria Bianco. And yeah, he was born, raised and trained in New York City at pizza places. All that.

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But he did something special and made it even better. So watch that episode. It's actually really cool. Chefs and people fly out all the time to taste his pizza.

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And he's even caught people like dumpster diving into his dumpsters to try to see if they could find out his recipes and secret stuff.

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Like, what is he doing to make this so incredible? He's definitely not using the

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Phoenix water. That's for sure. He's probably bringing in water. No, check this out. This was crazy. This is just amazing.

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He only buys local everything to the grains. And he mills the grain himself for all your pizza.

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He does it all. So it's love that's going in there. Just like that. Just like the barbecue place he stopped at had the gospel preached over it.

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Next door. That's why it was so good. I didn't even make that connection. It's the word of God filling that meat.

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This is important. Even though this guy is from New York and it's New York style pizza. It's all Arizona. It's all

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Phoenix stuff. It's all local. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? That's a good argument. I think it is a good argument. That's right,

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Summer. I see you in the chat. Okay. All right. Here's more. Chirping in the chat. I've traveled quite a bit.

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And the fact of the matter... You should know better. That's an argument from authority. Argument from authority.

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You're supposed to be James White's daughter. Argument from authority. I've traveled a lot. I think I know. This is just a fact.

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And I have some good news and some bad news. Okay. The bad news is the only region where I've eaten food, like out at restaurants and whatever, popular restaurants, where it was consistently just awful food that I hated and never wanted again was in the

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South. Okay. The South does not do restaurant cooking well.

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They just don't. Home cooking. You just lost a lot of listeners. This is just a fact.

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I do have to tell you that when... Sorry, everyone in Tennessee.

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But when we... The reason I knew exactly what she was going to say is because every single...

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I would say, with one exception, that place that we went to at Fight Laugh Feast...

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Fable. Yeah. Right. That place was excellent. But every place we went to like either served us a comically wrong food or just like it was wrong.

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It was not what she ordered or it was just not... Sort of like McDonald's and stuff? She ordered a chipotle bowl that was a soup, practically.

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This was at Chipotle? Okay. And this was a very... And that's what she meant. That's what she meant by out at restaurants.

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Chipotle. She didn't mean like home style, homemade, little hole in the wall places.

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She meant at restaurants, chain restaurants. This is why precision is important.

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Corporate, franchised restaurants. I don't know that she meant that. I'm going to play it again. She said the whole South. Here's the playback.

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Here's the playback. And that's what I meant by strong opinions. She doesn't go light on her opinions.

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So if one city in the South wrongs someone from that bloodline... That whole part of the country is done.

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All right. Let's do the playback. This is just a fact.

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And I have some good news and some bad news. Okay. The bad news is the only region where I've eaten food like out at restaurants and whatever popular restaurants where it was consistently just awful food that I hated and never wanted again was in the

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South. Okay. The South does not do restaurant cooking well.

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They just don't. They do. Consistently. They do not. They just don't. Okay. Exhibit A, friends.

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She set the man up and call her next time by the way. We should just call her. Definitely. This was the exception.

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So hold on now. Consistently. They just don't. They just don't. If she's talking about going to like a

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Mexican food restaurant in Georgia, you just don't do that. But I will just say that we went to the

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Fight Life... We went to the Fluff Conference in Nashville and I took the team out to a restaurant at the end of the day and we went to a restaurant called

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Fable in downtown Nashville and Summer couldn't... Okay. I have actual footage.

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So I really don't think Fable falls into what the category of what she was saying.

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She said restaurant. They don't. I know you may not understand. Look at her defending. Well, so here's why

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I have the capacity to defend because Summer and I have this telepathic thing going on. You can ask

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Tim Schweitzer. Okay. We sometimes have meetings with him and he swears we're communicating without using any words.

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Blinking. Like Morse code. So I understand that what she meant in her statement was chain...

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When she said popular restaurants, she would not have been referring to a restaurant like Fable.

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One of my favorite steak houses happens to be in Nashville as well. She said they just don't.

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They don't. They don't. It's every time it's consistent. But I have actual...

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I just feel like there's a level of telepathy that you guys are missing. I have footage. I have footage. Actual footage.

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Actual footage of Summer that night in Fable. It was actually very, very awkward.

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Well, I'll just show you. Here's the footage. That was the whole night.

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It was the whole night. It was delicious. It was, yeah. And it was in the South. It was.

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But again, I'm just going to double down and say that in the statement she made on the show, she would not have been referring to a restaurant like Fable.

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But she said that Southern Barbecue is disgusting. And I don't know if she would have been referring to like a little hole in the wall type.

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I do understand why you guys would misunderstand her. She hurt a lot of our friends.

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I just understand. Now you sound like a Mormon. Oh, that's your own interpretation. We have a lot of friends. We've got a lot of family from the

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South. We just have a lot. I'm sure people on the thread right now are highly offended and they're rethinking. Do you think

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James White or his daughter care about hurting the feelings or offending others?

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Well, how about this? I'm offended. Okay. How about this? I am personally offended. But here's more proof that Summer doesn't really believe what she told you.

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I can imagine the face that Pastor James would make at you right now. Yeah, yeah. No, I know. And I don't want to see it.

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And a little head shake would go along with it. It will make me sweat. I'm already thinking about it right now. I don't want to sweat.

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This is Summer in some thread fairly recently about food.

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And she says to my wife, there's my wife right there, Candy Durbin. She says, this is reminding me of lemon ravioli.

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What could she be talking about? She's talking about Southern Restaurant lemon ravioli.

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Consistently bad. They just don't do it right. Here's a Southern Restaurant. They did lemon ravioli that made everyone feel awkward at the table because Summer couldn't stop.

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Mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm. And at the bottom here, she says, I still think about it sometimes like whenever I'm hungry.

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So here's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking Summer was eight months pregnant and she just was having a bad day.

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And she chose to use an apology as due to his production to vent.

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I think you guys just don't understand her like I do. See, that's why we wanted to talk about it.

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Because it's like it doesn't matter how wrong she is, you're just going to defend. No, I think that what

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I'm saying is right. That's why I'm saying it. Mmm, mmm. Hello?

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Hold on, wait a minute. I'm trying to get this going here. Oh, yes. Let's talk to the woman herself. Hi. Hi. Are you ready to repent?

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No, I'm not sorry at all. How are you not sorry? Okay, so what response do you have live right now on the show to what we've been saying about what you said?

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Okay. First of all, how dare you? First of all, Jeffrey, you could have called me in the first place, but you had to play games.

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Secondly, you were the only person that took me anywhere in the South that wasn't disgusting. Everyone else from the

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South took me to places that were disgusting. But hold on, when you say places, because hold on, you are not allowed to participate in this moment.

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She tried to say telepathically, you were saying it's the chain restaurants that were bad in the South. It is the chain restaurants.

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Jeff, don't act like we didn't sit at a dinner. You and I, a whole table of us sat at a dinner.

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Hold on. We did not eat our food, and we left and ate elsewhere. That was because of Floof.

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That was Floof's fault. Wait, are you saying? That's not fair. That was a gas station clubhouse.

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No, Jeff, when I was served this plate of food, you looked at it, and you said to me, don't worry, we'll go out and eat somewhere else after this.

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Yeah, and let's just say, between us, that was fight, laugh, feast. As usual, it's substandard.

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In the South. You have to expect these things. If they're anywhere doing fight, laugh, feast conferences, it is substandard.

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Okay, and two -thirds of the main fight, laugh, feast people are from Jeff. Idaho.

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The South. Oh, I thought. The other boy is from Texas, and Chocolate Knox is from, well, he was in Georgia.

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He's from Minneapolis. Strike five. Well, he lived in Georgia, so he should know better. I lived in Georgia, and I know better.

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How about that lemon ravioli, though? The lemon ravioli was bomb, and you should be there.

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You and your wife are the only people. You and your wife are the only people. We're never going to get to the full show today.

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Not so consistently. You said consistently. They are consistently bad. You said fact. You said fact, and the

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South just don't. They just don't. I lived in Georgia. I lived in Georgia for years. The food sucks.

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You're Southern listeners. Okay, well. Just for the record, this does not represent

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Apologia Studios. Everyone in the South. Everyone that's from the South, we love you. Please do not conflate.

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It was a compliment. No, it was a compliment. Are you going to play? Yeah. You said.

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Are you going to play that part? I can do it, but what is it? Respectfully, Mrs. Yeager, what does it add to the conversation that you said that they just don't do restaurants right, so the women have to learn to do amazing food at home?

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No. It's because they already do amazing food at home. Every home cook in the South is awesome.

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You married one. You're so spoiled. I know. This is why you can have this conversation. But where did she learn to do this in the

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South? And also, you need to wash your filthy mouth. She wasn't in a restaurant when she learned it.

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She was not in a restaurant when she learned it. What did your dad do to you if you had a filthy mouth? I want to know. What did he do?

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I didn't. And what's not a problem? Well, if you ever had any kind of a filthy mouth. right now is true. Okay. I want to know, when you said

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Southern BBQ is disgusting, what did you mean by that? Yeah. So, I actually,

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I prefer Texas BBQ. That's the South, sweetheart. Okay. Don't you love the control that I have right now?

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Texas is the South. You're wrong. Texas is the South. I'm going to call her back.

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I just had to do that. I'm sorry. I'm going to call her back. I wouldn't really do that to her. Texas is the

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South. I just got to say the comments today are just off the wall. But Texas is not the South. It's not.

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Do you know how many Texas people are? But the BBQ style is different. Now you're angering Texas people.

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She's my girl. This is my girl. And she's right. Texas is a foul country. You have to respect Texas. And they consider themselves the

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South. Well, that's fine. But if we're talking about regions, Texas gets its own region.

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You're going to start a civil war. It has a different style of BBQ. That's just culinary.

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That's just a culinary fact. Nashville has its own style. Right. Memphis has its own style. But guess what? They're still all the

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South. Okay, but I just have immense respect for Texas and its

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BBQ. As someone who's married to a Texan, I'm contractually obligated to agree.

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Hold on. And I also agree that Texas should be in just real life. Yeah. It's its own thing.

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I'm going to Is Texas the You can't ask Google People in the People in the comment section are taking this way too serious.

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What are they saying? I don't care. I don't care what Wikipedia says. You can Google this all day long.

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Texas deserves its own category. Okay. There's a couple sites that say

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Texas is considered Southwestern. But anyways. Oh. Okay. It's still a

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South in the title. They're still South. It's enormous. It spans the entire bottom of the country.

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Is it the southern part of the country? It's the South. Yeah. The most, the southern part. Okay, so we're the

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South then. Then that makes us the South. We're Southwest. Yeah, sure. We're on the Western side though.

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They're more in the middle. And they touch other southern states like Mississippi and they're around. We touch other southern states like New Mexico.

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Good one. I'm just not wrong. That's all. And I'm not sorry. And I need you guys to know that.

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I'm just saying I want to show respect for our southern listeners that you probably really offended on that show.

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They're fine. They know what I meant. They understood. I'm married to a southern person and she didn't know what she meant.

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That's okay. Candy loves me. We're fine. Everything's fine. It's questionable.

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Well, we love you. I'm just glad that you manned up and called me. I really appreciate that.

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That was very manly. Well, I appreciate the manly compliments. All right.

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Enjoy your baby. At some point, I'm sure, Lord willing, in the future, we'll have a trip and I'll introduce you to some southern barbecue that'll blow your mind.

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I believe that. And you will publicly ask for forgiveness. Okay. I believe that,

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Jeff. Honestly, I trust that. I believe you. Right on. Love you. All right.

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See you at ReformCon. See you at ReformCon. All right. Here we go. How long we going?

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We got 16 minutes left. Sorry, everyone. We just needed to do that. That had to be settled. Had to be settled.

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You know what's sad is we've just been so serious for so long that when we actually have fun, people are like, I can't believe you're still talking about food.

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Yeah. You know, we're allowed to have fun on here, right? I mean, it's quite literally our show.

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You know, also when you do spend your time and days getting real dirty and into tough tussles, it's good for your own sanity to like take a breath and have fun.

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So I'll do this as an example. Let's do this as an example. This just happened two days ago. So I want to just say

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I am so grateful and I'm just so blessed. We're so blessed to be part of a church body with so many tremendously gifted people and so courageous.

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Back to the serious stuff now. So, City of Phoenix just had a proposal to put a resolution into the

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City of Phoenix. And here's what it was about. Rowe Falls and so there's all this confusion in the state of Arizona as to like what laws apply because you've got the pro -life establishment that has actually added bills that say you can kill up to this this week but not afterwards.

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Right? So you've got the pro -life establishment saying you can kill babies but you can't kill them after this point.

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And so that's a problem for the state of Arizona because they have to contend with the fact that the pro -life establishment is actually given bills of permission.

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Right? But you also have old laws never stricken from the record never taken off the books.

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Arizona's statute 13 -3603 that actually says it's a criminal act for the abortionist to do it and it's also criminal even to advertise to do it and to advertise medication and all that stuff.

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So, you know, sort of a big moment in Arizona right now like where Rowe's out of the way so which state laws apply.

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And so there's big confusion right now over AZ statute 13 -3603 the law that says the abortionist can't do it.

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So we've had like this court battle going on where like they say okay it is standing then like no it's not standing okay it is standing and then okay no we're gonna fight against that so it's all up in the air.

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But the city of Phoenix is ruled by leftists mostly bunch of leftist women actually mostly and and so with that the city of Phoenix called a meeting with the mayor vice mayor and others council members to talk about putting in something a resolution that would say that the city of Phoenix legislature government wants the city of Phoenix PD to deprioritize any phone calls that report abortions going on.

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Okay, so think about that. They're saying well we don't like the fact that the law technically says you can't do this.

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So what we're gonna do is we're gonna instruct the police department to deprioritize or ignore that's essentially what it is ignore ignore the phone calls that report violations of the law that says that you can't kill children in Arizona.

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That's what they did. That's what they did. So we showed up and I wanted to say for the record very important for the record we showed up and the

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ACLU was there one of the directors of Planned Parenthood in Arizona was there a bunch of pro -choicers were there and this is nothing to boast about it was actually very disheartening the only people that were there at the city of Phoenix to speak out against what they were trying to do was

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Apologia Church and we had a number of people there that day a lot and they spoke and I'm so proud of them and it's so blessed to be part of a church of such courageous people and such faithful people and they preached the gospel they preached the gospel they were articulate they were humble they were calm but they were also clear in their communication of the gospel and what they were saying couldn't be touched by the council couldn't be touched by anybody else in the audience speaking it for this resolution but it was disheartening to see that the city of Phoenix is telling the police department to deprioritize or ignore the phone calls that report abortions going on in violation of the state law that would be standing and the pro -choicers were there in full effect and they spoke out but I wanted to you know you talk about like you know just this is what we've been doing the last couple days so you'll see more of this at Apologia Studios we recorded all these but this is from city of Phoenix's council actual page and I just wanted to play this because I was so blessed by this this is one of the members of Apologia Church wonderful sister in Christ hi there my name is

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Ashley and I am in opposition to this resolution when my husband and I lost our first baby in 2011

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I learned that everything my culture had taught me about being a Christian and everything about babies in the womb was a lie

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I was 14 weeks pregnant when my water broke and when I saw my son he was no clump of cells he had 10 delicate fingers and toes a heart that beat and his face was beautiful his name is

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Seth I mourned that we would never hear him laugh would he have been a good singer or a good soccer player

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I love my children with all of my heart and thank God for them daily but there is a

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Seth sized hole in me because he was unique and utterly irreplaceable as is every child every child is a gift from God if you vote yes on this resolution you are not doing anything noble you are not helping anyone certainly not me not the babies nor the bereft mothers nor even the abortion doctors who cauterize their own consciences with every baby they rip apart abortion is a great evil we are all accountable for the twisted way our culture treats its youngest citizens but God promises in his word that if my people who are called by my name humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways then

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I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land thank you so that was

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Ashley wow yeah that was amazing it was one after another

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I mean it was just such an amazing moment here here's what was challenging about this moment in the city of phoenix we know that they're run by pro boards we know that they're run by leftists and they made that very clear at a lot of the meetings right haven't they like gotten up and walked out or turned chairs around like that this isn't our first run right yeah and they have you know ignored us and walked out eye rolling and stuff like that obvious eye rolling and that happened that day so what was interesting is that we had no illusions as to what these people were going to do we just wanted to be faithful witnesses for christ for the gospel itself and for the sake of these children and so we came to speak the truth and what was interesting was i'm sitting there joy and i'm like you know it's it's always you can't get away from the fact that there is this this weight in that room whenever you speak before in the legislature there's this real weight and it's heavy like it's really heavy yeah i mean yeah i never i never get scared um in in confrontation um but there there's a different feeling when you're coming to the legislature you're feeling something weighty and um and it's unavoidable i've tried to avoid it and i can't um and so uh i'm i'm looking in front of me and i can see at the table down here below the council and the mayor there's a a guy dressed like a girl and uh like this you know there's uh leftist attorneys and all these people that are pro -aborts and you know you've got the council itself and then i look over and while our people are speaking the truth and giving the gospel and speaking you know clearly and calmly and irrefutably um i'm looking at like the people sitting up there like rolling their eyes and just like shaking their heads and stuff and i look over to my right and i see all the pro -choicers and Planned Parenthood ACLU and all that stuff and i'm like our section is all our people over here and we're like the only ones there that are standing for these children and i'm thinking to myself we are aliens like we are aliens oh yeah i feel like i've just become more and more aware of it yeah all the time even just with uh you know even just the example of um like vice or some of the articles that have come out like they they say these very very straightforward historically christian things as though they're this like shocking like can you believe people believe things like this these people are so and it's like okay like it just we yeah i mean yeah you start to feel like wow i it really starts to hit you i think especially the older i get the more i'm just like how very different god's people are from the world we looked like strangers aliens yeah and foreign i mean it's like someone plopped a bunch of puritans down like you know i'm saying in this moment and they were just like you know looking at us like right people are crazy yeah and what was interesting is that they couldn't respond to anything we were saying no like and they were coming up and saying the most outlandish things like you know and i'm going to play my part here just because i want to interact with something i was saying about this moment um but this woman comes up this older lady comes up she says she's an attorney and she says in her talk she says um there's no scientific consensus as to when human life begins and i go i was like so i immediately like i scratched out a section of what i was gonna say and i just wrote respond to that and uh i had to i had to because it's they they literally feed one another lies that's how they keep it going their hearts are so darkened it leads to their ignorance.

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Yeah you basically the stronger the and more widespread the delusion is the more you can pretend right yeah that it's real and not a delusion.

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Oh it one thing was amazing Luke I didn't get a chance to talk to you about this but one of the things is amazing is as this kicked off you guys can go here by the way it's a

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Phoenix City Council policy session October 11th you can watch the whole thing this thing kicked off with them talking about the

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Phoenix police failing in their duties they apparently according to them I don't know the case but the way they were alleging was that the

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Phoenix police basically just recently murdered a man named Ali I think his name was and they were just just decrying the fact that you've got this abuse of other people and then they started talking about how the

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Phoenix police is not responding to domestic domestic violence like they ought to and so people are being abused and now watch they're saying the

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Phoenix PD is not protecting life and justice like they ought to how dare they that's how they started this and then they literally went into session to do what to say we want the

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Phoenix Police Department to back off from violence towards children that is straight crazy hypocrisy and they can't even see it they couldn't even see it that they literally were saying

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Phoenix PD all this injustice not protecting the innocent not protecting domestic violence people and then they literally voted after this they voted to say we want

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Phoenix PD to back off of protecting the most innocent among us the hypocrisy is palpable crazy that really happened

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I mean that really happened I mean like I was thinking to myself on the day of judgment

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I don't want that for these people I want these people to know Jesus I do I'm deserving of as much wrath if not more maybe than some of these people who are sitting up here but I was thinking to myself on the day of judgment how terrifying yeah to have the voices that were played or given here played you know for them like reminding this young girl that's like 13 year old girl who testified about the truth to you her voice is echoing through eternity over these people as you have a chance to stand up for justice to protect the most innocent among us and you literally work to destroy them and the voices of every

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Christian in that room that day are just gonna just be played as a testimony against them even when God sends his people to you you so hate

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God and love death that you just ignored them so he just here's

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I want to interact with this I guess we'll end with this today yeah three minutes left so um I got a chance to speak as well

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I just want to talk about why I said what I said to him Thank You mayor and members of the council my name is

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Reverend Jeff Durbin I'm an opposition today and I'm a pastor of Apologia Church and the head of end abortion now and I'm a resident of the city of Phoenix by God's grace we're the organization that has actually put in the bills of abolition and criminalization across the

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United States of America including Louisiana Texas Arizona Pennsylvania Colorado and there's more coming we also filed the amicus brief in the

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Dobbs case that defeated Roe just an observation it's an incontrovertible fact that what's in the womb is human from conception that is not under dispute that's not debated somebody making that claim is about 50 years behind the science there's an incontrovertible fact that what's in the womb is human from the moment of conception and all humans deserve equal protection when the

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Christian abolitionists fought to criminalize slavery based upon the Christian scriptures and Christian worldview they had to contend with rulers and powerful white people who just couldn't let it go they fought those rulers to dehumanize our black brothers and sisters and not offer them equal protection under the law the same thing that you're attempting to do today dehumanize the pre -born and offer them no protection history has already judged those evil people in the same way future generations will judge you and more importantly there is a day of judgment in which you'll be judged for this injustice today can you just imagine friends and fellow residents when slavery was abolished and criminalized rulers such as yourselves calling a special session to legislate or resolve to ignore reports of people beating or owning our black brothers and sisters the law doesn't work in their favor so they suggest simply ignoring it scripture says those who hate me love death nothing could be clearer than that today

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I call on you to repent turn to Christ and establish justice and equal protection for these innocent pre -born human beings thank you for your time so I'll note of course

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I agree the miracle that I was actually on time I ended right on time good job that was a miracle right there so you know that God was present there yeah so what

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I was trying to emphasize there was the fact that we've been here before in history the Christian Church has had to work against injustices like this in history before and we win we win because it's the

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Spirit of God we win because the gospel we're gonna win this too God will defeat this he absolutely well the gates of hell will not prevail against the church we are the offensive force in history

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God is gonna have victory he's gonna put this in a manager's feet there's no question about that it's going to happen and when

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I was trying to highlight to these rulers was that we've been here before where the Christian abolitionists were working in the south and the north speaking the gospel preaching

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God's Word preaching the law of God against these people who were advocating for owning these slaves and so we've been here before and you had rulers who resisted the call of these

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Christian abolitionists and the Word of God and they attempted just to continue to dehumanize our black brothers and sisters and I was emphasizing the fact that can you imagine because this is really this is the reality can you imagine a situation where say during that time slavery is abolished right it's now criminal and rulers called a special session to actually say yeah we know that it's technically against the law to beat our black brothers and sisters and to own slaves but we're gonna actually tell law enforcement to ignore phone calls of anybody that is beating or owning slaves that's precisely what's going on here is they're in a situation where their worldview is is now being trodden underfoot and so what they're suggesting as rulers is just to simply be law less lawless that's what

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I mean even my husband and I were listening to some of the like election debates and the county attorney basically just said like one of the girls that's voting she just said like I won't right be prosecuting and it's like so it's a lot you are you are running for a county attorney yeah and you think that prosecutorial discretion means that you can just not follow laws right you're a lawyer and you think in the word you think that you can just not follow laws that you don't like mm -hmm because insane because because here's here's the truth of the matter and this is the summary of it all it is not a biological question it's not even a legal question it's a moral question it's an issue of sin those who hate me love death they hate

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God so they love death and so anything that gets in the way of that they're just gonna dismiss they're gonna work around because they're lawless ultimately it's an issue of morality that's what's wrong which is why which is why which is why you are seeing the difference where God is blessing our nation right now with a prophetic witness against this issue that didn't exist in these 50 years of Roe vs.

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Wade until fairly recently with this kind of force God is giving grace to the world to these legislators because who's what's happening now across the country

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Christians are coming and preaching the gospel in these meetings they're calling to repentance they're pointing people to Christ and to God's Word that's a massive massive transformation it's huge it is a moment of grace for our country where God because listen could

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God have sent his church in this way in 1973 in 1974 could he have done that with a consistent

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Christian testimony and witness with the gospel up front with a call to repentance of it could God have done that like he's doing now yeah yeah this isn't our doing

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God is opening this up to them and so this is a moment of real grace for our country but it's also distinct it's distinct because now you've got

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Christians coming and they put their finger on the real issue it's a sin issue it's a moral issue this isn't

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Roe right issue of Roe it's not an issue of the law it's a moral issue and you need to repent of your sin yeah and that's what you'll see in that Phoenix City Council meeting is

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Christians coming and testifying to the real issue you need to repent of your sin you need to come to Christ that's the issue here because at what do you what are you seeing now you're seeing that even when the law is working against them they won't simply submit and say okay

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I guess we can't have our way what are they gonna say they're gonna say that's not our standard our standard is our worldview where we say you can kill your child at will and so that's what they're gonna fight for so the issue is going to be all the way through every time an issue of repentance is gonna be national revival and Reformation necessary within the church and you're gonna need a massive move of the

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Spirit of God that changes people's hearts and minds there's no other way and the reason I'm stressing that is because the pro -life establishment has not fought that way they explicitly say we're not gonna talk about Christ we're not gonna call the repentance we're not gonna use the

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Bible we're gonna use some other neutral ground over here whereas what you're seeing now is the grace of God in the church being prophetic in this and saying nope this is the real issue and I do hope my pro -life establishment friends will take special note of moments like this that it doesn't matter what the law is they won't follow it because the issue is sin so you can play around the edges all you want you're never gonna get to the heart and the heart of the matter is that they need their hearts transformed and that's only gonna come through the gospel you're not gonna do it any other way where there's no prophetic vision that people cast off restraint yeah there's been no prophetic vision and we just witnessed

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Phoenix City Council casting off restraint that's right exactly right all right everyone thank you so much for joining us an apology or radio today thanks for having fun with us today we appreciate you don't forget to sign for all access partner with us in ministry we have so much coming be a part of what's going on with us come to reform con reform con dot o -r -g sign your church up for end abortion now calm come on save lives with us it's we're not done we have a long way to go and it's really just beginning we got more states coming pray for us please give an end abortion now calm if you want to be a part of all these new bills that are coming into states across the country next legislative session that we're putting in that is