September 29, 2022 Show with Dr. Ernest J. Zarra III on “America’s Sex Culture: Its Impact on Teacher-Student Relationships Today”

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I'm thrilled to have back as a returning guest someone who I was so

thrilled with as a guest the last time that I interviewed him, which was the first time I

interviewed him, that I know, or should I say that I knew, that I needed to invite him back.

And I know that he has an open door here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio to promote and to discuss

anything he wishes.

His name is Dr. Ernest J. Zara III.

He is an author, a blogger, educator, and member of the National Association of Scholars.

Today we are addressing his book, America's Sex Culture, Its Impact on Teacher

-Student Relationships Today.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Ernest J. Zara.

Good afternoon, Chris.

It's great to be back with you, too.

You're a busy man, and you're busy this year.

Well, before we even go into the topic of the book, America's Sex Culture, Its Impact on Teacher

-Student Relationships Today, tell us how you became

involved in education to begin with and perhaps through your experiences

became qualified to write such a book.

Probably doesn't

fit.

If you feel qualified, you're probably not humble enough to be teaching, but my story begins

way back as a college sophomore, college junior, and between the two years,

I was challenged to go teach in a Sunday school class.

And I'd never taught before, and I had no idea what to do, or how to prepare a lesson.

They just said, here's a Bible verse, and I said something on that.

So in the preparation part of that in college, I came to find a few nuggets, you know?

You look at Scripture and find a few nuggets, and you get a few creative ideas on how you can talk to young people or children about it.

And so I presented it, and lo and behold,.

I was shocked that students, people, adults,.

Sat and actually listened to me.

I mean, to think about having a captive audience with something to say, that's one thing, but never having done it

before in a captive audience, that sort of appealed to me, Chris.

To make a long story short, I switched majors, and I went into education at the

college I attended, Northeastern Bible College in Essexville, New Jersey.

And I spent five years there getting credentials in the state of New Jersey, and I began to fall in love

more deeply with the emotional connections, spiritual connections, the informational sharing,

the working with other human beings in ways that didn't just allow me to stand in front of a group

and talk.

I found that my natural inclination was to connect with people, and what better way to connect with people than to be in front

of them and being alongside them, as well as serving the community and the family in that way.

So God used that experience to prompt me to move in a different direction, to become an

educator.

And I spent over 42 years teaching in Christian schools, administration,.

Teaching in public schools, a professional development leader.

For a district of over 40 ,000 high school students.

I spent 20 -some years teaching secondary students.

I've taught in colleges for nearly two decades,.

Both part -time and full -time, teaching teachers how to teach, what to teach, and how to understand their students.

And I began to see generational shifts, which gets to the second part of your question.

I began to see much more loose strictures and requirements in states.

Shortages of teachers who want to teach

usually cause the loosening of things to gain the greater population of teachers to be in the classrooms.

And I began to see in the last decade much more of a signal of a problem.

And what became much more notorious with the Internet is that people post things now that

weren't posted 15, 20 years ago.

So I began to see a lot of incidents occurring between teachers and students.

And I said to myself,.

I want to write on this.

I think this topic is very important in my professional development.

How do I get teachers to open their eyes to see what they're doing with the Internet and with

texting eventually and with the emotional aspects of what they're dealing

with in the classroom?

And why are they so connecting on levels that I never saw before?

And so I began to research this and the number of people

who were being reported who were having to register as sex offenders and on and on it goes.

13 of teachers

searched

for my first book because the first book was called Teacher -Student Relationships.

You know, the emotional, physical, and

the second edition is what we're talking about today, America's Sex Culture.

It's also the impact.

It's the updated version,.

A little abbreviated version,.

A much more targeted version to see if we can help teachers.

But I do want to say, there are a couple of verses that really stuck out to me when I was in college that

prompted me to move forward in education along with the experiences I shared.

And one of those verses is James 3 .1,

knowing that you'll receive a greater judgment.

And so when you say qualifications and I say humility,.

Whoever it is,.

Heard upon me, my words, my actions, not just in front of the classroom, maybe outside the classroom too.

And the reason I say that is because one day,

while

jogging a lot, you know, hey, Dr. Zara.

And I turned and looked.

And it was a student of mine at the time.

He was a senior in high school and he was in the parking lot with his father and I heard him say, that's my teacher,.

To his father,.

Because his father said, who's to be in the

classroom.

Necessarily, but if I was doing something in front of that student at that moment.

That his father and he saw,.

And I was that student's teacher, heard upon me as that teacher, not

just as Dr. or Ernie Zara.

So James 3 .1 became very real to me at that moment.

I remember that verse.

And I applied that verse a few times along my life, specifically at that point about 15 years ago.

The second verse drives home the importance.

And not call him in the stumble.

In Mark 9 .42,.

That causes one of these little ones.

Who believe in me to stumble.

It would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and thrown into the sea.

It's real.

In my mind,.

I'm thinking to myself, in our culture today,.

That idea,.

The consequences that they're going to realize by leading children down these other pathways, ideologies,

and prior public

education, we are losing

a generation in competition with ideologies.

That's a big graphic at this point.

Those two verses mean a lot to me.

My experiences meant a lot to me.

In shaping my direction as an educator.

I began to see.

That they took a liking to me.

As a person that I could transfer.

Values, truth, and love.

Into their lives.

As a conduit.

Now,.

What are the problems that you examine in America's sex

culture regarding teacher -student relationships

and what would be the age groups?

Are you talking about minors all the way through college years, or is it

more of a specific age group that you are examining critically?

Kindergarten through college.

I looked at professors who used to have age groups on

campuses,.

But then,.

With the Me Too movement and with other young women and men

speaking out about their experiences and posting them anonymously,.

Colleges have begun to move.

Toward restricting teachers.

Or professors from having relationships.

Even with the students.

As adults because of the position of power that they have over their grade and over their graduation,.

If you will.

So I began looking.

At the college level.

And I began then.

To take that down to the lower levels and I began to take a look at K -12 below that.

And some of the reasons.

That I found that were very important.

To examine.

Were,.

What's the question I have?

Well,.

Why are teachers.

And students.

Having these relationships?

And what does relationship mean?

And what are the policies?

And why are they crossing boundaries?

I began to ask myself these questions.

So in the book,.

I do analyze the K -12, of course, but I also have a separate section on the college level, too.

And the thing.

That is interesting and is much more broad in terms of an answer that I can go into

for a couple of hours is that the ages of consent differ by state or sexual and

emotional relationships between adults and teachers, okay?

Because teachers have an authoritarian or authoritative,.

I should say,.

Relationship with the students.

So it's a little different.

So consent with adults having sex with children, consent with a teacher adult, and

consent with professors and students, it's all over the map.

So what I wanted to find out.

Is there a standard, you know,.

A national standard for colleges or is there a national standard for schools?

And I found out, no,.

There's 50 or more, depending on what state and territory and what college you're talking about,.

Standards that are applied.

And so,.

Don't you know that the flip side of this, sexual predators know what states are much more lenient than

other states, know these states and what

private schools and public institutions have at stake for that.

In addition to that,.

You've got these folks who get fired or let go and go to a different state.

And get hired because their standards.

Are different.

I began to see that mist, if you will,.

Of all of that.

And beginning to answer the questions, why are they having relationships?

And I began to dig down more deeply.

And we can talk about.

Some of those,.

Why teachers are actually lured into these relationships, why teachers overlook the boundaries

and do they even know what they are from their teacher education?

Or do we just assume.

That teachers have a moral compass today to know what's right and wrong?

I mean,.

The last question probably answered in the negative by most folks.

Those that are older teachers.

Have a bit more.

Of a moral compass from their experience in working with families and having their own families,.

Knowing that they wouldn't want teachers to do things.

To their kids that are being done to other people's kids.

But the new generation today doesn't have the same moral parameters or compass that the older generation has.

And I started analyzing a teacher age group and

within

culture.

So to make a long story short, which I could go into in great detail here, I'll give you those nuggets to chew

on and we can maybe talk about traditional boundaries in terms of

relationships.

Like, 50 -year -olds have sex with a 14 -year -old student.

Penalties as men are.

There's a lot of things in our culture that are needed to be examined.

And I found these things and I was quite shocked by the inconsistency of this.

And even in Christian schools.

Now, when you say the inconsistency, you mean the inconsistency in regard to how

many, if not most, Americans, and we might even say globally,

have an instinct or an instinctive reaction,

for the most part, toward an older man

somehow taking advantage sexually of a much younger

woman or girl.

And when it happens in the reverse, when a woman sexually takes advantage of a much

younger man or boy, people really don't respond

viscerally with horror and anger and fury.

And you're typically not bubbling up and boiling over with vengeful thoughts

over this.

Correct.

And I'll include myself.

I'm not saying that that's correct, to react in a less severe manner.

I'm just saying I think that is a part of the way,.

In some cases,.

In some ways, I think that it is

a healthier mindset to view females as those who

are to be protected.

Our culture seems to want to erase that element.

And I would bet everything that I own that most feminists, in the

recesses of their minds and hearts, secretly, want to be protected by men as well.

But as far as the mores of culture, it is

more and more, the concept is more and more being viewed as antiquated.

And even in our movies that we see, our action movies and our movies with heroes

and heroines, you see more and more heroines who are in no need of the protection

of a male figure and they are kicking rear end, right and left,

and saving the day.

But how wrong, and is it

wrong to begin with, but how wrong if it is, for us to view those things

differently when we react through a gut reaction,

when we hear about an older woman, especially when you're talking about taking advantage of

a younger male, and I'm not talking about pedophilia here, I'm talking about, I mean that

would be from the bowels of hell, no matter what gender is molesting the other.

But I'm talking about something that would involve teenagers and so on.

Right.

Is it wrong for me to think less seriously about a woman having a

sexual relationship with a teenage boy?

It's sin, of course, it's damnable sin, but I'm just saying, is it wrong for me to think less severely of it than when a

man takes advantage of a younger girl?

Well, let's put it this way,.

You're missing a couple components there as well.

How about a woman taking advantage of a girl, and a man taking advantage of a boy?

Right, right.

They added that into the equation as well,.

So now we have, not only do we have to consider the minor attracted persons, the

maps today, or we call pedophiles, they don't want to be called that, but how do you know a

pedophile when you see one?

Is it because they've had sex or a relationship with a minor,.

Or does it have to be more than one of those?

Chances.

If you have one already, the chances of having more than one are out there,

easily, you know,.

To be assumed.

And that doesn't mean the case,.

But easily be assumed.

But to answer your question,.

Yeah, it's wrong.

It's wrong for anyone to be having sex from a power position, an adult,.

Consensual,.

Outside of marriage, outside of the ability to consent as an adult,

not just by law, but by maturity as well, which is the issue in schools today.

Some of the reasons people are teaching sex education,.

They're saying,.

Oh, the kids can handle it.

Well, maybe they are consensual in terms of permission slip, but they're not emotionally there yet.

So what I'm thinking is there has to be a limitation of an adult's emotions to connect with a

child's emotions, and hopefully they elevate them a little bit,.

And they connect together.

There are some serious emotional and psychological problems with adults who see that

they can have a deep, intimate, emotional, sexual relationship with a child or a teenager.

There are some issues there that are not resolved.

The causes of those issues are plentiful, I'm sure.

We could talk about some of those, everything from pornography down to abuse, down to the grooming of things,

grooming of relationships between adults and children, or the conquest aspect

that the masculine side would say, man, you hooked up with your teacher, man, you should go

to Home Run, but the girl has a sullied reputation.

And so if we were to say that girls should be protected,.

We should really mean it,.

And we should make sure that the laws are written to protect the women and the girls.

If the Me Too movement has done anything,.

And if there's any vestige of it left at all, they should be speaking out, not empowering girls

to take their sexuality to the next level, but empowering relationships that are protected

between the male and the female, and including the marriage relationship.

So, I mean, it's a situation today, again, where the more you look into this, Chris,

the more there are things you really can't answer except for the issue of sin.

And if we start at that point where men and women are sinful, children are equally as sinful,

but they're not as schooled and knowledgeable about the sin that the adult knows in his or her mind and

heart, there's where a major problem lies.

And in training teachers, you have to bring these issues up today to say, look, what you're feeling from

that student may not be the same thing he or she's feeling toward you, you know?

So moving toward a physical or emotional relationship, adult, what are you battling

inside?

Let's talk about this, because if you connect with a student like you don't with other students, then there is an

issue that's a relational thing in your life.

Don't cause the same problem in the student's life.

That when they become an adult,.

They don't have any clarity about their relationships either.

Now, I'm going to ask you something that may get me in a lot of trouble with listeners,

but it's something that has crossed my mind a lot.

Do you agree with me that in our day and age,

the broad brushing of the term pedophilia

and pedophile is dangerous because it diminishes

the seriousness, the grotesqueness, and the depth of

satanic behavior that actual pedophilia is?

And what I mean by that is people have been labeled in the media

as pedophiles when they, and please, I'm not justifying anybody having any kind of

sexual attraction or relationship outside of the confines of marriage.

Okay.

But to say that a man who is attracted to

a 17, 18, 19 -year -old girl to label him as a pedophile,

number one, I don't even think it fits the technical description of that.

It doesn't.

And number two, as I said, I think when you mix that in as

being in the same category as a seriously disturbed and

evil person, a predator who molests truly

helpless, fragile, and innocent prepubescent children, when you combine those

two things under the same label, you actually, as I said, lessen the

severity of the actual pedophilia actions.

Am I right?

Yeah, I think you're right about that.

I think today the guardrails, and I think,

you know, I'm going to make a statement too that may get me in trouble, but I used to love my students.

I loved them to death.

But I know the four different types of loves here that Lewis talks about,.

And I'm not focusing on the erotic.

If I'm thinking of you at night wishing I could text you or I do text you and email you, I've crossed the line.

The guardrails are more people can get away with more things

and not have the label applied to them.

I think in the past it was much more strict, and so we use it maybe inappropriately at times.

But just being simply, you know, and loving toward people doesn't make you any kind of

helia, okay, in my opinion.

You don't have to be labeled a pedophile to love children.

I love my own children.

I pick them up.

I love them at church.

But I don't want to have a relationship with them to the point where my authority over them is the controlling

factor, that I use that authority as an emotional connection, and they look up to me in the

same way, and I'm thinking they're getting from me what I'm getting from them.

That's inappropriate.

So where we have the repeat offenders, if you will, the

recidivism rate being pretty high for us,

that's pretty clear what the guardrail is.

Where it's insidious is where you are tempted, feeling

lust toward a child.

It's crossed the line.

And what I need to ask, not condone,

but understand, maybe the cause of some of that is they

were abused as well, and the cycle has not been broken.

And I think some of that is the cause.

I do think it's a sickness.

I really think it's a sickness, but it's also a sexual addiction, I think, on their part.

And is there any room or definition for that, or do you think it's lumped all in the same

category?

Well, obviously, I'm assuming you agree with me that this new movement, it's

interesting how liberals for decades were

claiming that the homosexual rights movement,

the gay rights movement, and then the LBGTQ plus movements,

they were saying that they equally despise

the grotesque and wicked behavior known as

pedophilia.

Now you have those representatives from the LGBTQ plus

community actually saying in public that, oh, we should not be cruel and

labeling these people as pedophiles, as if they are evil.

They just have an alternative sexual desire that we should call it MAPS,

Minor Attracted Persons.

Now that is as vile and

satanic as it could possibly be.

When you're talking about the promotion of that activity and the participation in that activity,

to me, I can barely distinguish it from the seriousness of murder.

It is that evil.

So it's interesting how we are in a society that on one end of the spectrum is

publicly identifying people as pedophiles, and it might even be

the age difference of a young man, for instance.

It might even only be two or three years, but it just so happens that he's in his early 20s, and the girl that

he had been romantically involved with was in her late teens, and they're labeling that

pedophilia.

And on the other end of the spectrum, at the same time, in our media, they are allowing

these insane and wicked people to promote an

idea called MAPS, where you even have teachers in schools promoting this

idea that, oh, we shouldn't be so cruel and nasty to use a pejorative like

pedophile.

We should call these people Minor Attracted Persons.

This is kind of a bizarre oxymoronic thing that's happening, isn't it?

How do you know without having the experiences?

Simply to be attracted to something,

but attracted to it on a lustful

level without the act, now you're crossing into it.

The Lord would say probably something like, you know, you don't really have to do the act to have

committed the sin already, because it's already in your heart, you know?

That's right, that's what Jesus said about adultery.

Exactly, exactly.

So can we say the same thing in terms of principle then today for people who are using the MAPS

acronym instead of the term pedophilia?

And that is, because you're attracted and you're thinking about it, you haven't acted on it yet, first, how do you know you are that?

And secondly, have you crossed the line in your heart and mind, and automatically now you are in category, as Christ would

put, the adulterer.

So I'm thinking the latter is the case, you know, and the culture still begins to shift and change,

and they say that the desire and interest and attractiveness and all of that stuff is not actually

the thing, but, you know, they're willing to go in other categories and say

that the thing exists even before you act on it, such as your skin color is

your racist,.

Because the thing is prior to your action.

So on the one hand, the liberal progressive side uses this sex thing as a

tool in the minds of the community

to move their agenda forward, but on the other side, they're not going to be using the race thing the same way.

So the inconsistency, again, is obvious in terms of both of these issues, except

they're both joined at the hip in terms of the progressive agenda.

I mean, LGBT, what do bisexuals have to do with homosexuals or with transgenders?

Not too much.

So, you know, when you lump everything together.

And then you have the intersectionality that goes with it.

Because a person of color is now LGBT, you know, so you've got all of this in the mix here, and so they just want you

to think that identity is so important today.

So let's not misidentify someone by a pronoun or by an acronym,.

Because you'll be offensive.

Well, you know, the offense really is you thinking about my child in sexual ways.

That's the offense.

But I don't know you are because you haven't acted on it.

Well, I just want to make sure that everybody knows, okay, that these things exist in our culture today, and

they're in teachers, they're in the classrooms.

You know, some teachers are trying to act this out.

They're becoming emotionally and socially and intellectually connected with students.

They may be, you know, inclined to move the next step, except that they get fired if they do, but they're

still inclined.

And then I have other people coming out and saying this and that about their gender and about, you know, their pronouns and their sexuality and their practice over

the weekend with impunity.

And so our culture today, again, it's not consistent.

Our public schools in some states allow things to be protected, and others don't allow to be protected.

And there is where the parents need to speak up in communities.

That's one thing that they can be doing is speaking up to the board, bringing examples to the board.

Most often the board is in the dark about some of the things that are happening within their classrooms in the district, especially large

districts.

And yet parents have to go about it the right way to make sure they protect children and inform the public about it,

maybe sometimes more explosively, verbally explosive than they'd like to be, but that gets the attention

of some people.

So down the road, if this goes any further, you're going to have a whole host of Generation Z

teachers in the classroom, 30%, 40 are involved in LGBT issues,

and you're going to have a whole group of young people who are dysphoric and have concerns

and confusion about their sexuality and gender, and parents are not going to know what to do when this

happens.

And we have to go to our first break.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen, if you just tuned us in.

Our guest today for the second time is Ernie Zara, and

I just love interviewing Ernie.

This is my second interview with him.

He's a fascinating and brilliant guest, and we are discussing his book, America's

Sex Culture, its impact on teacher -student relationships today.

If you have a question, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com, chrisarnzen at gmail .com, c -h -r -i -s

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And I can understand a topic like this perhaps evoking

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You may have had a child who is a student in a school or

was a student in a school who was sexually molested.

Maybe even you, when you were a child, and you're still suffering to this day from the

nightmares of that, and it may have radically even changed your own

behavior in life.

Well, we understand things like that would compel you to remain anonymous.

Perhaps even if you're a teacher and you want to ask something, that would compel you not to draw

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Before I go to any of the listener questions that are waiting for you already,

can you go through some of the ways of how, specifically, America's sex

culture has had an impact on teacher -student relationships today?

Is it just because of the fact that sex has become so saturated in every

realm of life and in the media that it is something that

is basically brainwashing everybody, that even the most

seasoned of Christians may have been seriously negatively affected by

the sex culture of America because it's just blazoned everywhere that

we look and so on?

Well, Chris, teachers

are in

a category of liking to be liked.

And I've had some teachers say, I'm here to teach you not to be liked by you.

But you know what?

It makes it a whole lot easier.

But I do want to mention before I get to church, too,.

If there are any listeners,.

Many churches with this same issue

and others who are committing this same kind of thing, back in the

mid-'90s, it should never happen.

Volunteers, you can be a little more confident in

knowing who you have working with your children while you're up sitting in the pew.

It's been useful, and a lot of churches have told me they've used that in their initial screening process.

They're de -battling this, you know, as well as public

schools.

So there are some reasons why this allurement for teachers is so, I guess,

so prominent today, Chris.

And so one of the reasons would become because of basic immaturity

that in finding the connection with someone who

gives them the validation they're looking for, and it may be a student with a personality or an intellect or

a student who has looks or a student who gives them the feedback they need, but the affection

today is more than just an emotional thing.

It is almost as if they feed off of that.

There is sort of a symbiotic relationship between the two of them.

That's one aspect.

That's one reason why teachers are allured.

Another reason would be that teachers seek popularity.

In order to be popular with girls or guys, they may dress a certain way, talk a certain way, and that sort of connects with people.

In other words, they want to be as youthful as their students to connect on a level to be a good friend versus

a good teacher.

And the third reason we see here is because,

basically because they enjoy the sexual feeling they get.

Now, the lustful sexual feeling that's provided for them is something that makes them feel

validated as a human being.

If you look at the Internet today on Reddit and other websites, you see teachers talking about things that they would

fantasize with their students, and they write about the sexual fantasies that they have.

They discuss with their colleagues.

Some teachers discuss who they're already having sex with.

And so there's the Internet.

We don't know if it's fantasy or real, but they claim that some of these are real in terms of the way they write the actual

stories.

And I have so many stories.

One such story.

Another reason, fourth reason I would say here, is because we have such a

sex to feel it.

It's impossible to not know that sexuality with adults

in ways that they never would have before.

Prominent today that you have, you can do all you could possibly do and still you get

exposed to this.

The movies or it's in literature or whatever.

So there are four areas.

Chris, let me just tell you, half of this year alone, from January to June, at

least, okay, 181 K -12 teachers.

Let that sink in.

That's an average of about one a day in the nation that's arrested for a sex crime,

everything ranging from child principals included,

school principals, teachers, teachers' aides, and substitute teachers in that mix.

Of the arrests, at least 140 of them

involved 78 to 79 of the arrests

were bisexual,

pornography,

because a teacher was moonlighting,

and low school campus.

So you can see, okay,.

Personal trainer, you mean fitness trainer?

Fitness trainer, yeah.

I talked to people who were, they said they were shocked by this.

The question I have here, Sanakay, is when you're at work, is there a

possibility of something in you that has this other life that you are splitting

between the two, so that one of them is more of a dark, you know, aspect to your life.

And much more, shall I say,.

Lent to the lustful side, while the other one is pure and, you know, pristine in the appearance

of one thing or another?

What we have today is our culture is allowing this to occur, where you can have this outside

life and inside life.

And the argument goes for teachers is, you know, I get paid to teach, and I'm under contract.

What I do on my own time is my own,.

You know, my own life, which, again, gets back to the, do you want the community to be

embarrassed by your actions.

When you're under contract?

Or do you want to have yourself.

Just live the way you want to live.

And split yourself between, you know, two different characters?

There's no doubt we have a hypersexuality in our culture today.

There's no doubt that teachers want to come across as sexy,.

The way some of them dress, you know, and some of them talk.

I can tell you that there's a story, and I'll call him Coach M.

He was a physical education teacher in the district I worked at.

I worked at.

He had tenure.

He was a varsity girl soccer coach.

He was 33 years old at the time and really loved his work.

He was personable and fun.

The girls loved him, and he coached the team in the rural area.

It was not uncommon for him to take the van and routinely transport girls home.

After practices and games.

It was in an area where vehicles, some of the families were in poverty.

So during the course of the season,.

Coach M is accused that some players.

Are playing favorites.

So you can see now there's a possibility of false accusations arising because you're giving special attention to some people,

which also happens in classrooms and also may happen in churches and church schools.

One of the allegations is made that the coach is having an affair with one of his players.

There we go.

The administration checks, and they don't see anything, but they pay close attention.

Everything seems really settled until after one game.

Coach M is transporting players home, and he's left with one 16 -year -old girl in his vehicle

while in transit.

He's a district van now, his own personal vehicle.

He stops at a liquor store, and he buys some condoms.

The female clerk noticed the girl sitting in the passenger seat.

And the district logo on the van.

The next day, Coach M is arrested.

Sexual molestation charges, including sexting a minor, and is found guilty.

This is what I'm talking about.

With a double life.

In the classroom,.

He may not have done anything, but given the private time away from the classroom, sure it was something,

you know, that was part of the district, but he was alone, and he didn't think.

He'd be seen.

Personable, more practice,.

The coach drives her home.

On occasion.

So over the course of the season,.

They begin to chat online.

In the evenings with texting and phone messages and photos are exchanged,.

And suddenly there is.

A particular affinity between the two of them that's greater than the sport that they play.

And one evening,.

The player and the coach were kissing and fondling each other in the coach's car.

Two years from teaching,.

Sexual assault.

I can tell you.

That I can't look at the headlines and not

find that someone else.

Has been arrested.

For a sex crime with a child or a student,.

Whether you're an adult.

With a child or a teacher with a student.

I'm looking specifically at teachers and students,.

And here's why.

This is an event thing at a school

that are not at school having sex with children.

Oh, well,.

That's a different story.

He must have been lying in wait for these people who are planning this thing.

You see, you must have,.

In the old days,.

You had to go up and knock on the door, and how ludicrous would this be, Chris?

Knock on the door, the father answers, and you have to say as a teacher or an adult, Hi, my name is so -and -so, and I'm here to have

sex with your daughter.

Could she come out, please?

Well, there's no way.

You could have contacted that child in the old days,.

Right, before cell phones.

And computers.

Now you have instant access, and any time you want,.

You can make a contact call or a text message or send a photo or an email, or

you can stay in contact.

With students.

During the summertime or vacation times, or you could even know where each of you are and meet up somewhere for

coffee or whatever it is.

The guardrails are widened today for teachers, students, and if

there's no moral compass and teachers don't know what they do,

which means if they don't know where they are,.

They need to be taught.

We can't assume that Gen Z today.

Knows where the guardrails are because some Gen Z.

Will come out.

As a different person.

Within a month or two.

Than the one that you hired.

So now what do you do?

And these are questions.

That we need to face today.

As teachers.

And teacher educators.

Do you now have to deal.

With a brand new identity.

Of a person you didn't hire?

Or is that the same person?

Or what are the laws protecting this new person who has an affinity toward same

-sex and didn't know about when I hired them?

Or should I not know about that?

Or is it even an issue?

Or where are parents in all of this?

You see how convoluted.

And how confusing.

This is becoming, but this is all part of the sex aspects that are happening.

In our culture.

That are making their ways and just so prominent today in culture.

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It's impact on teacher student relationships today and we have an anonymous lister.

The anonymous lister wants to know.

I know that doctors and psychiatrists and psychologists

have a very strict rule that they are never to develop a romantic relationship

with their patients even if they are of the same age.

I was wondering what you thought of a college professor perhaps who begins a

romantic relationship with a student who is near the same age.

Is that a violation of ethics because of the authority that teacher holds even though there

would be nothing wrong with that relationship outside of the fact that it

should be in obedience to God a chaste one outside of marriage.

Although there

is nothing illegal about the relationship in terms of laws but the policies at the

end.

Would supersede.

Maybe the law says.

That you can have.

A relationship with an adult maybe 18, 19

but the policy at the school.

Says.

We don't want a conflict of interest.

To arise because.

Whether you are.

A student.

Of that professor or not there is a conflict of interest.

And a power now.

All it would take is for they fall in love and you can

imagine.

Let's say.

That the professors.

Are male.

And the students.

Are female.

What would happen in the blowback.

Literally.

Towards the professor and the institution if somehow he picked up.

A relationship.

With someone else or she became pregnant or had an abortion.

Or her friends found out.

And wondered why she got a better grade in her class than somebody else.

The blowback on this thing.

Whether.

Legal or not.

Is not the question.

There is a morality that is higher than legality in a lot of our states.

Today.

Because the legal thing is the least common denominator in my opinion.

The moral thing is.

Look.

In my reputation with the rest of the students.

I want to look.

To the colleagues that I have.

Is it honoring.

The parents of this student that I have.

And will it.

Conflict.

In any way shape or form in my conscience or in my profession.

Here.

Those questions need to be asked of everybody at the college level.

Who is seeking or has.

Current relationships with students.

If.

You cannot.

Come out publicly.

With your relationship on the campus then I think.

You already have.

Your answers to what should be.

Allowed.

So I'm not against relationships don't get me wrong and single.

You know.

Professors.

And single students.

Who happen.

To hit off.

Relationships.

I would say.

That you want.

To wait.

Until you're.

In the clear.

Of the student.

Being a student.

Under or in your department and in the clear of your colleagues.

You know.

Introducing it to them.

Letting them know.

What's happening.

And that lay out a plan that.

If you still want.

To have a relationship with a student don't rush into this.

Let it develop.

Over time.

Like you would in the other.

Relationship or a valid relationship because the bottom.

Line is.

If this professor is 28.

29.

30.

And now has.

A 19 year old.

Girlfriend.

Who's to say.

It hasn't happened.

Before with others and when that hits the fan and others.

Come speaking.

About the same.

Thing he might.

Have done to them.

That he did.

To you.

And dropping you.

Then there may.

Be a problem.

With that.

So other issues.

Have to be thought about here.

Other than we love each.

Other.

We're of age.

Yeah you even have that rule in the military that officers are not supposed to fraternize

with those who are not of the same.

Rank.

And so on.

And you have even in businesses I am personally aware of businesses

that I know that forbid.

Anybody.

In a leadership.

Position.

In the business.

From having.

A romantic relationship with another employee.

Of a.

Lesser realm of authority.

In fact.

I know.

We saw the bus for a year.

Because of that.

Type of relationship.

Yeah and I know personally a couple where they both left a

company because they had a desire to begin dating and it was against the

rules so they left the company and not only began dating but got married.

Let's make.

This perfectly clear here that even if.

Pedophilia becomes legal.

Or teacher -student.

Relationships.

Become legal.

There is a.

Higher morality at stake here ok.

And schools need to make sure.

That they.

Are clear.

On that.

Higher morality even if.

The laws begin to.

Change as far.

As any.

Red flags.

Let's say you are a parent or.

Even a.

Student are there any red flags that should be.

That people should be on the alert to see if these things are manifesting

even if they start innocently or at least I should say even if they start as appearing

to be innocent things that might be out of the ordinary for a

teacher to be doing.

Even though.

The thing may be in and of itself pure

and wholesome.

It may be masking an ulterior motive.

Do you have any ideas on that.

How

much.

Attention are you giving that person.

How much.

Time and in person in the classroom.

Or during.

Class time or you know at whatever.

And how much are you communicating with that.

Person through.

All the different.

Media or.

Medium.

Those are red flags because if.

You are.

Singling out.

A student or two to spend.

More time.

With.

Personally.

Giving more.

Attention to.

And communicate.

More often vacations or.

Weekends then you're.

Setting yourself.

Up for what I will call teacher boundary violations.

Because they don't have to.

Be sexual they can be.

Non -sexual.

Misconduct.

And you can be fired for that.

So that if.

A parent sees the.

Child or their kids cell phone.

And they see.

Text messages.

From a teacher.

That are somewhat flirtatious then you've got a problem on your hands because.

That has.

Crossed the.

Boundary you know.

Romantic and flirtatious.

Stuff in the classroom there are students that.

I've talked.

To let's.

Say who.

Said they just felt creepy.

Like a.

Teacher walked by and gave them a look or.

Maybe looked.

Down their.

Blouse they thought if it's.

A girl or.

Look under the desk if they're wearing dresses they just felt.

Creepy when.

They touched.

Them in class.

And they just.

Felt like something was.

Wrong.

Well see that.

Kind of.

Attention that.

Students are.

Picking up on.

Emotionally.

Because teenagers.

Especially are.

Much more.

Hyper -emotional hyper -sexual hyper -aware of things.

That these things they come.

Across as much more problematic in them than.

You would be as.

A teacher because.

You're matured.

Hopefully beyond that hyper -state.

Of emotional.

Arousal so flirtation and romantic.

Kind of like.

Winks and.

Nods in the.

Class are.

Maybe miscommunicated.

Or maybe.

Communicated.

Differently in their interpretation.

Be careful.

The technology you use to communicate with.

Students.

Be careful that.

You don't have the power to punish.

Or reward a.

Student for something in a classroom because now you have another authority.

That you can say.

Well you know if you do this I won't do that.

And so that's a.

Power play.

You gotta be careful.

The straight out sexual things.

You have to be careful they're.

Red flags if you're talking sex in a.

Classroom.

All I know is for the people.

Who are in.

Favor of this graphic sexual education or graphic sexual stories to children.

Do they even know what their.

Brains and.

Hearts and feelings are going.

Through by hearing these things and to what.

Extent.

Are you triggering a.

Child who may be.

Sexually abused at home.

When you're reading these things aloud to the children and are not saying.

Anything but.

You're triggering something in.

The child that's.

Going to damage.

Them for the.

Children.

Be careful of.

The physical touches you use.

In the classroom or outside the classroom be careful of your emotions that you share in the

classroom that students will say.

Oh he understands.

Me I get it I feel the same.

Way he does.

You gotta be careful of the psychological manipulation and the connections that teachers can utilize in the

classroom so that everybody thinks that this teacher.

Is so cool he.

Gets me or she gets me that's a starting.

Point for an.

Emotional connection that you don't want to have with a student necessarily and if you're meeting with a student make sure you're

meeting not just in private but the door open with another colleague available that they can step in once in a while to

see if everything's okay.

To help validate.

Because we're.

Living in a time.

Where students will use false allegations as well against the teacher because they don't like that teacher for one.

Reason or another.

To get them.

Booted and it's happened several times in the careers of people that I know personally

and be careful of loaning.

Money or doing special favors for.

Students such as.

Driving them home.

Giving them lunch.

Money or buying.

Them this or that.

And other students see this.

Those are all red flag indicators that there is at least an emotional connection happening.

Between the.

Teacher and a.

Student where you might have a.

Physical connection.

Next where hugging is happening and stroking of shoulders is happening and students see this that leads to the other

thing where time, attention,

not saying all teachers that flirt with students are sexual, no, I'm not.

Saying that at all but what I am saying.

Is the red flags that you see please pay attention to.

Those flags so that.

You can catch.

Yourself as a teacher and not cross into the boundary that you.

Would violate some.

Type of code of ethics, some type of policy or even.

The law or the.

Relationship that is illicit with the students.

So I'm not saying that.

Well, obviously we have to clarify something.

You said that not all teachers that flirt with students are being

physically sexual but at the same time that's never appropriate.

That's correct, yeah.

I mean you can.

Share, like if you talk to the football team, right, you can share a story that happened and

a female teacher might say that was a really good.

Catch and it.

Wasn't a catch and she winked at the.

Student.

That's the type of thing I'm talking.

About.

I'm not talking about, hey, look at me, I'm special and let's flirt about something emotionally and sexually or

something even.

Sensual.

I'm talking about.

The connection that feels like it's flirtation because it really is,

doesn't have to be sexual but you've got to be careful of that too

because a.

Student will.

Misunderstand maybe what you're trying to say at that point and that's.

The whole point.

Here.

The brains of teenagers, brains.

Of children are.

Not like the brains.

Of adults.

By the way, I think I forgot to tell our listeners who have already

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We have Ted from Moundsville, Alabama, who has a

question for you, Ernie.

The question is about halfway through my teaching career, circa 2005,.

I said to a colleague,.

You know I think we'll reach a point in the not -too -distant future when male faculty

will be instructed to never compliment or comment on any aspect of a female student's

physical appearance, even if it has to do with a pair of shoes.

Or a suit jacket.

The student wears for a special presentation.

Sure enough, a few years ago, a well -known Christian academic who leans a little to the left, went on record

as saying that male academics should never, under any circumstances, comment on

female students' appearance, even if it is in the form of a compliment, even if it

has to do with special dress worn for a presentation.

Can your guests comment on this?

Let me ask a question,.

Though.

Does this table.

Apply if a student.

Comes to class nude?

The educational process.

In the room,.

Because students act the lustful thoughts of the teacher.

And can't pay attention.

Because the teacher.

Is wearing something.

That's so revealing.

There is such a thing called, and teachers should be aware,

that if they're going.

To do something,.

Wear something, it's going to interrupt.

The educational process.

That they're counteracting.

Exactly what they've been trained to do as teachers, and that is teach.

You're not teaching anything when you don't have the attention of the students and their minds.

Are elsewhere.

It's the same thing, too, if the student's using a cell phone in class to distract.

It's the same kind.

Of principle.

You need to make sure that you have a policy.

In place that considers.

These things going forward, and if there's a problem.

With that,.

Then you need to find.

A new district.

Because you may be.

In a very permissive district where you're in a place where maybe a lot of people are

allowed to do this thing, maybe in a very liberal city,.

Let's say.

Find a different district if you can.

Consider the fact.

That someone comes to class and they've been bleeding.

And their clothes have blood on them.

You're required to report that because it's a disease, but if you make a comment about the blood, now what are you going to do?

There are things here.

That are exceptions.

To the specific policies.

That you hear about in districts.

Make sure you use common sense here because you'll be protected with your common

sense over and against other things.

I'll take the risk.

I'll compliment someone.

And say, you know what?

I really like the way you dress today.

You shine and glow.

In the classroom today.

I mean,.

I want to compliment people.

I want them to feel good.

About being in my presence.

Because that environment that sets the tone for them to receive the learning that I want to share with them.

And if they know that they're accepted.

As people.

And not just treated as things sitting in a chair that I'm doing my job.

And you just pay attention,.

Then that's a little different game.

It's up to teachers to really move this forward.

And speak up.

At your staff meetings and go to the board meetings as teachers and say,.

Look,.

We're not connecting.

With our students at all.

We don't have sex with them.

We just want to connect with them.

We want to be personal.

To the point where they respect us as people like we should respect them as people.

So,.

If you're going to allow this to proliferate and to put the wedge and widen the gap.

Between,.

Get out of teaching.

Altogether.

Because we need humans.

Connecting with humans.

For the sake of learning, not just people doing a thing.

And walking home.

With a check.

At the end of the day.

Thanks, uh,.

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Uh,.

I have a quick story,.

Uh,.

That is in some way connected to that question, not really very closely connected,.

Uh,.

But it's either going to make our listeners.

Chuckle.

Or perhaps wince in dismay one or the other.

But I know a woman,.

In fact,.

It's the woman who led me to Christ,.

Uh,.

Susan, who was taking uh, college courses uh, when she was already.

Uh,.

In her fifties, she went back to school.

Uh,.

And was taking college courses and there was a student, a male student,

who was reprimanded by a teacher because he showed up at school with,

uh, jeans that were just totally.

Uh,.

Cluttered with holes everywhere and he, he was dressed very shabbily.

He was told that he could never return to the class if he was dressed like that again.

The guy and I emphasize the word guy, he showed up

the next class wearing a dress.

Not because he was a transvestite, apparently, but because he was like,.

Uh,.

Really rubbing it in the face.

Of the,.

The, the professor.

And guess what?

Not one word of reprimand.

He was allowed to continue attending classes wearing a dress.

That shows you the warped culture that we live in where wearing holes in your jeans

is a definite.

Taboo,.

That's a no -no, but come in drag,.

Oh,.

That's fine.

But, um, yeah, uh, so, I,.

I want to make sure,.

Uh,.

Since this is such an important subject, before I go to any other listener question, I want you to have several minutes of

uninterrupted time to really get at the core of your book and summarize those things that you think are

most essential for our listeners to walk away with before, by the time this program is over.

Yeah,.

I,.

I think I've hit a lot of those,.

But let me.

End school on the masses of our students.

I think there's something

that is subtle anymore, but a driving force in Gen Z,.

And not all of them.

Of course, there's so many wonderful Gen Z young people doing so many great things,.

Um,.

Their entrepreneurial spirit

on a human level, their use of technology in creative ways, so many great things they're doing,.

But there's some.

Really caveats on the other side that need to be examined,.

And,.

And here are some.

Things that I think,.

Um,.

That both administrators and principals and teachers and parents.

And,.

And even the Gen Z.

Folks themselves with candidates for the teacher pool.

Should consider.

The first thing is that Gen Z's more likely.

To come out.

As someone different than whom you hired, because most of the,

I say most, 40%, most of the 40 are in LGBT and not

afraid to be an activist towards social causes.

That maybe the community.

Doesn't support.

So in your hiring or in your being hired,.

Are you willing.

To say, I can put that on hold, or is it that important for you to be the activist towards a social cause?

Because,.

You know,.

If you're going to be hired,.

You represent not just the district, but you represent.

The community.

And all the students that you have,.

They,.

They have families,.

And so you have to.

You have to be aware.

It's not just you that's getting hired for a spot.

You're being hired to do a lot of work within a community within that spot you're hired for.

And so,.

Gen Z may be more likely at this point, this juncture in American history,.

To be against.

The status quo and advocate for fringe causes, as well as share their personal stories with their

students in the classroom, their romantic, you know,.

Engagements.

With that person.

They're more likely to share those things.

Openly,.

Whereas in the past,.

Teachers kept.

Their private lives outside the classroom and focused on educating and connecting with students over the material.

But they're more likely.

Too, Gen Z,.

To be online posting almost everything about their lives in

media sites, that even during

work hours.

We're finding.

Some of them.

Are doing that.

And here's.

The general rule.

For all teachers that I think coming from this book.

Would make a lot of sense.

You should be careful.

With your private.

Online activities and after -hours work so that it doesn't conflict with the values of the community.

That's a good teacher, thinking about consequences,.

Thinking about.

The what -ifs, thinking about how I can become a better person.

For the community,.

Not just show.

Who I am.

And my identity.

So be careful.

You're not on OnlyFans.

Producing, you know, sexual content.

For pay.

Be careful of your hookups.

On weekends.

That you want to post.

And say,.

Look what I did.

Or tell students or your alcohol and drug abuse and holding beverages in your pictures.

So your students can see you're inebriated.

Or at least.

You're showing.

That you are.

And there's some questions.

I think that need to be considered and I put these out and I received some flack for it but

that's okay.

I think when you're being interviewed as a teacher candidate, I think we should ask the question of how your relationship.

Is going.

I mean,.

Are you present with our school district or our students in our classrooms?

Are you a prolific teacher of drug use in

every day or do you state that you

live in,.

Let's say,.

That recreational marijuana.

Is something.

That should be,.

You know,.

Allowed for students even 18 years old and while at school.

Or, you know,.

Before they come to school.

How do you deal with that issue.

As a teacher?

How about.

Tattoos and piercings?

Anything that would,.

If revealed,.

To the students or the parents or colleagues that would be offensive that we need to make sure that we keep it

covered?

I mean,.

Do you have anything that is from a previous lifestyle or current lifestyle that would be offensive?

How about.

Your interest or your participation in the adult film industry or the sale of sex toys

or do you have.

Films or movies.

Out there.

That you did.

In a previous life or are you currently involved in that?

That could be a problem.

For you.

Or are you hosting anything along the lines of a website.

Because these things.

Would come up.

They will come up.

Students will find you.

They will look for you and they will find you.

And when students.

Find you,.

That means that.

They're scouring.

The pornography themselves to find you.

Which is not.

A good thing for their minds.

As well.

In the past,.

Is there any.

Sexual abuse.

That,.

You know, you have endured that may be a problem going forward and is there.

A cycle.

That you have seen in your family.

That maybe.

There's something.

That you could be.

Caused in the life.

Of a student.

Or that will trigger.

A student.

Because you're going.

To have.

Your abuse and they're.

Going to hear.

The same thing and not just feel an empathy towards you but feel triggered.

By that.

In addition,.

How about addictions.

And things.

In your online media diet?

All those things.

Are very,.

Very important.

For today's Gen Z consideration.

But some of them.

Are against.

The law to ask.

Generally speaking,.

I think schools should have.

A little tighter.

Policy on some of these things.

Because the law is the law, sure, but again,.

I argued earlier.

And I'm going to.

Argue again.

That moral things should be.

Secure to some.

Laws.

And for the sake.

Of the next.

Generation of.

Students,.

We shouldn't.

Treat them.