February 10, 2022 Show with Matt Tarr on “The Current State of Education”

The Church’s History, Revitalization, and Move Toward Classical Christian Education

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Afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. We're listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens Iron radio wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 10th day of February 2022 and I'm thrilled to have back on the program a returning guest named pastor Matt Tarr.

He is the pastor teacher at High Point Baptist Church of Larksville, Pennsylvania, which is a church revitalization effort in Northeastern Pennsylvania through the grace advanced ministry of John MacArthur and Today we are going to be addressing the current state of education and will also be introducing High Point Classical Academy.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Matt Tarr.

Thanks Chris, it's really well. Tell our listeners.

For those of our listeners who are unfamiliar with High Point Baptist Church of Larksville, perhaps they. Fail to hear your previous interviews with me. Tell us about this church.

Yeah, well, I'm a high point Baptist Church board meetings and congregational through using a lot of now They did get close to 500 for a while Appeal to and likeness of Jesus Christ, but so they brought in music teams and that were Pentecostal you were at our ACBC conference Last summer.

Yeah, and I didn't know this until You know until we hosted that conference, you know, of course, that was the first You know Association of certified biblical counselors conference in our state but the last Conference our church hosted, you know outside conference.

Outside of our church conference. So we're inviting an organization in was actually a health wealth prosperity gospel preacher. Wow, so You know, so that's where they were. That's where they were at. So you might say they were Baptist in name only really?

And. But ultimately what was beginning to happen here was exactly the model that surgeon Corinth was dealing with and of course as you know, that was largely what motivated me to do my doctoral thesis on the church in Corinth and the source of factions there and the relationship to Corinthian sophistry on that sophistry.

It was really a pragmatic method driven Emotional driven use of rhetoric to sway crowds and Energized masses of people it wasn't that sophistry was completely absent of truth. There was truth, but that wasn't the substance that their their method of persuasion was really less persuasion because it wasn't using the Word of God and appealing to hearts through the Word of God, but rather Manipulation that distinction there.

Anyway, the church had really followed in that same pragmatic driven Corinthian sophistry the same thing that happened to the Corinthian church in effect happened here and the church then Underwent a split that would be going back to 2012 and then all of a sudden the deacon led church and his elders and They began reading books by John Piper on what the church is and it marked ever on what the church is and some a grace advanced revitalization effort as you mentioned and one of the Deacons acting as an app the radio Come here when we have this debt for a building that we thought we were taking out for 1 ,500 people.

But at least we were sustainable with 500 people and I say sustainable. They had never passed a black budget since they were up here. You know some of the older folks that were here Throughout that time will tell you like there were seasons that were so bad.

They couldn't pass an annual budget even do at a time. But who is going to come to a church of 90 people maybe a hundred on a really good day. You know, I remember Our first Sunday and I think we breached a hundred and two you still have a hundred people in a worship center for 500.

So it was pretty spread out fill the chair set up from from where the church had last left off, you know around 250 before the split it happened reached out to grace advance to see if this was something that they could potentially help with.

That's how I heard about this church. I grew up in the Poconos and I was jaw-dropped about not only what happened in this flock, but recaptured love for the Word of Christ and The recovery of the gospel here and Sure, there were there was serious financial issues.

When I was candidating they're showing me the books and they're going look we have you know, 15 months. We'll be out of our savings. Based on our income and what we'll be paying you we can pay you a little bit more.

But then we're going to be out of money more quickly. So What do you want to do? And I kind of thought well My goodness, I mean what the Lord had done in the hearts of these people. Why wouldn't I want to come and any church that you're going to go to is going to be?

You know, you're you know, you're you're dealing with sin. You're going to be dealing with all kinds of different issues. My interest was especially peaked in revitalization efforts. How the Lord and knit my heart together anyway, so I'm looking at this church.

I'm thinking well if I'm going to go into a Revitalization it's either going to be people problems or money problems. So it seems to me that I'll deal with the money problems any day. That's a pretty good deal.

And what's the worst that can happen? I mean we run out of money in 15 months and who's who's left at that at that point? I know that you know people will you know, I'll disappoint people. They'll have been false expectations, you know.

We got a pastor he came and we didn't recover the finances of the church. I knew there was a risk involved and so people would likely leave and out of money. But we're ninety a hundred people and maybe fifty people at that point in a year and a half.

Clear of debt because we gave everything back to the bank situation to start a church plant. It's a much better situation for many of my friends. In fact that we're in the grace advance Academy that we're planning churches with four or twelve people.

And of course from day one when my wife and I came to high point. We just felt as though this were our family right after we came they amended their constitution and bylaws to become Elder led congregation like rural church from there after preaching through the gospel of Mark we went through first Timothy together as a church as we kind of looked at what the church is and what it looked at who Christ is and therefore who we should be in the gospel of Mary.

So You know, there are difficult seasons we are just coming out of an extra it's not over and much much more difficulties ahead and that's actually What has motivated myself and our elders as we analyzed, you know, the reality that we're in an out-of-season culture.

The Lord really laid on our hearts the importance that we train young hearts to live in an out-of-season. So that's what the conception of high point classical Academy so that's that's that's kind of a Maybe a 30 ,000 foot view of the history of our church.

You might say and kind of you know to where we've gotten right now if you could you've mentioned grace advance.

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Ministry a ministry of Dr. John MacArthur and grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. Why don't you? Be a more detailed about this grace advance ministry.

Yeah, so grace advance. It's Really a unifically in a church plant type scenario, you know, what do you do? Well you You send a guy to you send him there maybe to or scout out the area based on a perception.

I think this is you know, maybe there's there's good justification for that. You're. Yeah, well, that is a great place to start a church. The Lord builds the church. Anyway that you know, so you can't just go to the church there and Typically in that analysis you're looking at okay is the community growing our people new moving in our new families moving in.

Or is the area in a state of decline our people leaving? Christ builds his because of grace. Community Church's profile. It's its relationship with John MacArthur and his you know. Folks who call great work there and one of the most common questions people would ask is can you help me find a good church?

I don't know where there's a good church in my area. I've tried. I just moved here. You know just as a word of pastoral counsel to your listeners. Before you take a new job. Scout out the area for a good church.

Make sure there's a good church new job. That is not true. And oftentimes people find out after the fact they can't find a good church. Same thing is true for young Students entering into calm. You'll stop being a Christian for four years while you're at the TMS placement man we'd look at a CBC a CBC's website biblical counseling.

Calm also has a Placement map where their certified counselors are and typically those individuals are in good churches. There's anybody close to them or maybe there's somebody an hour away. The church is in an hour in it in an hour away and we call them and see maybe they know of somebody a half Hour closer that we don't but what grace began to do was started, you know on a map.

They started to put pins or it is building his own church. People would already know each other. Sometimes they wouldn't and we would connect them together. Grace community then designated some pop-up around need to have a president or a chair of the elder board.

So, let me get this straight if there is a church out there and whatever.

Root base of.

Congregants are still in existence at this church that may have almost completely fallen apart and they share In common the theology the doctrine and The mission of Not only Grace Community Church or Sun Valley, California, but grace to you ministries.

They should they have a lot in common with what they hear and read From dr. MacArthur. They can contact this organization and request help to seek to bring revitalization to that church to get Perhaps even a man of God or men of God Sent there who desire to fill the gap there and become either temporary Preachers and teachers until a permanent man is found or perhaps even immediately wanting the permanent position is am I getting this, right?

Yeah, so You can go to grace advanced .org and find out a little bit more about it and what grace advance provides. And also a part of the grace advanced program to apply if they're carefully vetted. And by the way.

I'm planning on repeating this later. But also if you want to find out more about High Point Baptist Church in Larksville, Pennsylvania Go to highpointbaptist .com Highpointbaptist .com and hopefully I'll remember to repeat that later on.

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The Current State of Education and Why Christian Schools Matter

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Pastor Matt about the current state of education. I'm assuming that this is not exclusively a charge or critique of education in the secular realm. There are quite a number of churches that have perhaps naively or unconsciously bought into Models of education that are unbiblical that include things that are even dangerous.

I have interviewed A woman who is trying to purge Even the conservative Lutheran churches of some of their absolutely abominable sex education courses. It's just it's mind-boggling that conservative Lutheran denominations would still Be carry on some of these these courses.

You understand why the apostate and liberal and leftist denominations would but but just when conservatives do it. It's just absolutely. It's absolutely mind-boggling, but anyway pick up where I left off there.

Yeah, no, you're absolutely right and when you look at the state of education it really Begins with the church and it begins with the Christian institutions of the state of educator of lies right from the beginning itself materialistic in nature and because it's materialistic in the end of knowledge.

Confession of the fulfilled the Jonathan Edwards father was trained there and by the time Jonathan Edwards was going to school. He'd been established because Harvard defected from the truth. And so now today is its motto is simply Veritas Adelphia is our same thing.

We're seeing even in Christian education today and another component of Christian education that I Typically, it's a blessing and a curse have to be licensed. You know if you open a school under a bona fide religious institution a church be accredited by though.

They kind of just choose our nonprofits and we don't have things like that. But we should always be pursuing excellence and everything that we do that is consistent with the Christian worldview. It's just a point of concern that I have and but beyond that You know the state of education in America began really to be reformed by Horace Mann as I already mentioned who began to?

Education system that was really developed and Reservation the essence of liberty and freedom when he's actually Reproving them his time in the West the shocking youth message that somewhat launched Paul Washer's ministry and and he's addressing a really critical issue message right from the very beginning and everybody claps and Paul Washer just directly and Compassionately Reproves them and says I don't know why you're clapping.

I'm talking about you and So this is the same moment that That is happening here at Harvard. They don't realize that he's actually talking about them when he says that at his time in the West He's not so much defend human rights as human obligations a civic duty Role in the Savior Jesus Christ to him be the glory both now and the day of eternity.

Amen. And so that is the objective of Christian education ultimately of course and receiving and Themselves being rain are you sure of all things and so the president was man is nothing and truth does not come from secular humanism it defies The existence of God and then it brings into question idea that we are educating.

What is your definition of good?

Right they would say they would teach people that If you're not celebrating the act of homosexuality not even Tolerating it but celebrating it that you are doing something evil. If you're not celebrating it you are being hateful.

That's what they view in the secular society today as good.

Well, it was predictable because you know John Dewey especially he was he was a cultural Marxist and Strong appeal in the Socialistic system of the USSR and wanted to create in the United States. So that was the reform that he is set out to accomplish and successfully quite a while now.

It brings the question. What is the nature of good? You know, I so we're talking that we don't know the definition of good that comes from humanity itself. Well. We know what happens in those societies that are socialistic that have denied the existence of Transcended truth because they're a and then.

Logically you carry out what what good is for them? Well, you're operating under Darwinian evolutionary theory. What is what is morally good in Darwinian revolutionary theory? Well, it's life. It's not life liberty in the pursuit of happiness.

It's just life in other words. You're just talking about survival of the species and that's why social entirely humanist and believe it or not.

I was. I was raised Roman Catholic. I was a Catholic before Being born again by the mercy and grace of God, and I went to a Catholic parochial school for eight years grammar school in first to eighth grade and We were taught Darwinian evolution as fact in the science class.

Yeah, and you know what's interesting that would ever happen today. But social emotional learning, you know, it's so it has problems at the very beginning. You can't even get you can't even get out of the adjective for it is injury before you have profit itself.

Okay.

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