Touring Israel with the Pactum

Welcome to the back end with some compromise. No, welcome to the back end with no compromise. This is Pat Abendroth with Mike Grimes. We are oh, wait a second. This is Pat Abendroth with Mike Abendroth because it's no compromise radio.

Mike Ready to have some fun. Do you know what it's good to be here today path you said some compromise radio now, but I'd Prefer the new name of no compromise radio. It's called no content radio. Okay, you'll get the no-co because otherwise it would be so-co.

Touring Israel and Recording on Location

So, you know, what's all the background noise? What's going on? What do you do? No it is February something it's a Monday February 25th, maybe I. Don't want to say rack. Sorry, and we are in downtown Jerusalem on the west side the good side for fancy.

And so if you dare cars, oh. It's 65 degrees a little hazy it's been great weather. We're here leading a tour together. Omaha Bible Church. Bethlehem Bible Church. 45 people. See the sights having a great time.

So the Bible has finally come alive. Which is something we try not to say to people right we say the book you'll read the Bible like you never have before. But it's be good, yeah, but it's it's been alive, you know.

One of the things that I appreciated was yesterday you're going from Jericho area up to Jerusalem. Right, and sometimes you can be going from north to south and you're going up to. Because it's more elevated right right?

And so that part you can if you know geography or an archaeology and stuff like that. I think it probably helps you get the layout better, but I'll leave the Holy Spirit I'll let him help us understand the Bible better.

So we're going home in a few days so we figured we would record a little bit and get a little inspiration from the cars the motorcycles. Inspiration tours. I think they're like sirens. I saw someone today that said something like that.

Well, we want to talk about on this episode is we want to talk about traveling to Israel. Not because we're selling anything. We don't have any Jesus junk to say let's play this as a reap rerun in two years before we take the nest see what?

It's like so because you learn so much. There's so many interesting things. People want to go to Israel maybe sometime in their lifetime. Seems like it would be an interesting thing to do to talk about what it's like to travel to Israel.

What's good about the tour guide? What's bad about a tour guide? Favorite parts. Things to see worst parts. Little insight. I like that. It makes a good show. And even if people aren't ever going to come to Israel my senses, they're still gonna enjoy what we have to say because.

It's enjoyable. Well, since Mike Grimes is in here. I is Mike it is a name-and-draw. I'll try to offer more to the Steve a sprit scene who was chattelings. Well, this is gonna be good. I think you should saddle up your horses and we'll just move some frosting horses.

It's true, and we did go to the grocery store today next door. So we got some people I bought things today that I couldn't even read the label and you had Google Translate. He doesn't get the care or there.

He is. That was pretty cool. Yeah, you've got some drink with mint in it. Uh-huh, and it's like wow. We didn't know it had mint and we might have a sound tech a sound engineer Slash security guard with us on the balcony.

Nobody's been like me. Well, we want to eat. He's scary. He's got your back. We won't say who I bet wheels gap. I mean sick. We won't say who it is Patrick in this but He's here with us. Last time we went to Ben Yehuda Street.

That was kind of cool. I thought the whole time his name was Patrick canvas. Speaking of Ben Yehuda Street, which is kind of a modern, you know, it's new Israel. But it's not the Israel from it's in the New Jerusalem.

But not the Jerusalem from above a new city in the old city. So with that in mind best shawarma ever. I Think it's right up there. I mean, I I don't know the place that you go to in San Diego, Pat. And how she feels right out there shawarma guys in San Diego.

But this is like legit because it's Jerusalem one. You can bribe him a little bit. Hey, we're bringing 17 Okay, so here's what happened my slide when we went so we got like 17 people in line. I'm first trying to show people how to do it you get the loft of bread not the pita and you get the ambasauce and the whole thing trying to play tour guide and I Said you know, I brought all these people here.

I brought him here and we go and from America thinking Maybe he'd give me a little something. No Mike. It's up there and says I brought all these people here I'm giving me something free. And they did it totally did well, I as an older brother, but all serious in the said what she learned and grow and really proud of you and Once in a while the Lord just gives you one of those little don't forget I'm your big brother thought you out is there a few and far between you outdid me for shawarma for she Asked me what my favorite thing so far in his favorite.

Oh, how about if I ask you? What's your favorite thing in Israel so far? Other than recording shows for the fact of it. This is no compromise like this. I'm having a lot of fun. I So far think maybe Pat while Sea of Galilee's up there while Understanding geography and how far it would take Jesus to walk to Bethany to see Lazarus and all that right now I'm still loving that Pontius Pilate stone that they uncovered Accessoria by the sea and it's in Latin and so they didn't have any archaeological evidence for Hundreds of years about Pontius Pilate and they find this artifact.

It says Pontius Pilate and We saw the fake one in sessory filler. We've seen that many times with us Hello, and we saw the original one in the Israel Museum today first time. That was cool. You know back to what we talked about before theology Thrives you to be a good historian if you want to do theology, you've got to know history like Machen said because To hope had avid route.

This is at Narnia. This is a real place. Jesus was a historical person. Yes, he's more than a man. He's the God man I understand that but he was crucified under Pontius Pilate and you've got the Apostle screen the Nicene Creed and it ties it right in so I just love that Pontius Pilate stone.

I Touched it. I kind of got the anointing a little bit. I Didn't have to sleep that night. I would just it just we just brought the old. You know, I actually was it. I got a phone call from Josiah. He just walked through has a castello with your wife Kim.

And so I had to step away because you know when you're traveling and your son goes I gotta answer the phone and so I did not see the real stone today in the museum. And so I asked Lisa on our trip. I said did when are we gonna see the stone?

She said oh we already did. And I so I didn't see it. So can I say I saw it, you know since I was here I said no, I'll say I've been to the place where the real one is. Okay person, but then later on the way out.

I was able to touch it. That then I told him the story when there was a famous evangelical preaching at our church and I told him the story about when you and I were at Princeton where we saw the holdings and they had The the rod of orthodoxy then though a special it wasn't made out of bone.

It was made out of ivory ivory to number. He is Archibald Alexander. Princeton seminary is on his deathbed. He symbolically passes the rod of orthodoxy to Charles Hodge and so that evangelical was preaching in Omaha Bible Church one time and I told him the story and Then he preached at a seminary like the next week and told the story but pretended like he'd seen it.

Well, so you can do the same thing with the Pontus Pilots. I think actually Charles Hodge then named his son. Hey, I think you're right all Alexander hot yeah now to do to confess I told that person the story today because I I like to shatter people's dreams of Their favorite celebrity pastors being sinless.

I know and you know. Here's the good thing Pat the 45 people in the bus in our Omaha Bible Bethlehem. They may know that we're not sinless. Do not worship the Aventroth brothers. You heard it here for sure.

Benefits of Touring Israel

Okay, let's talk about let's talk about the benefit benefits of touring Israel. What's good about it? We you know. We make fun of people saying it makes the Bible come alive because the Bible is alive by the Spirit of God in our hearts.

And but what are the benefits? Well, I think I just will start big-picture Pat just to go overseas anywhere if you go outside of the country anywhere perfect. It can make you thankful for your home country because you know, America is not perfect.

It can make you understand other cultures and you think oh, what does Israel do? And what about the Middle East concourse? What about they can handle that? What about the suit? What about the money? What about the culture?

So I think travel anywhere has been fishing. That's good. Specifically Israel or even how about the Middle East? We're so safe here I don't know where else we could feel this safe in the Middle East and there's something cool about the Middle East.

That is so true. People are always afraid. When Israel trip is getting closer and they hear about some bombs on the West Bank or Syria or Lebanon and Pat I always say don't worry about it. Every hotel has a Bunker and this one does too.

I Like I've been to at least one hotel in Israel word. You know the guy the security guy in the front sky like some kind of losing. It's it's tough. It's edgy. I kind of like it. I like it. I Like the geography as well.

I I've always I think I cheated my way through any kind of geography class growing up I'm just lazy and dumb and wish I wouldn't have. But now I care my geography and I care about the geography of Israel, it's so cool yet, I think every day we probably average between 10 ,000 and 20 ,000 steps per day walking and we've had buses taking us around to Like in it paid it helps me being here in Israel to say.

Oh, there's Bethany Lazarus Mary and Martha. We're there Jesus walked over. Our Jesus is on the Mount of Olives and he goes to the Garden of Gethsemane and Kidron Valley and through some steps and around We go just are you walking?

There's a Capernaum how far of a walk is from here to Capernaum? He had to go through Samaria that part really is. She's good for me to understand how far they had to walk in some ways. It seems like everything's closer than I thought and then the next minute is the opposite.

It seems like everything's further away than I thought. What did he keep telling us? New Jersey is that Israel's the size of New Jersey? Yep. Yeah, we should make a pilgrimage across, New Jersey. We can land at the priesthood.

We could touch the rod of Orthodoxy and call a celebrity Christian pastor. Tell them the story and calling them out. Oh my if you're just starting you're just tuning in Michael even drop with that even drop.

We have a bodyguard and We are on the fifth floor of An Building in Israel. So if you hear the traffic, it's because we're recording outside. We're doing an episode on Israel and traveling to Israel. What's good about it?

What's bad about it? And I also love the Sea of Galilee. It may be one of the reasons why I like the Sea of Galilee is the Roman Catholic Church can't build Cathedral or a monument or a church or building it's it's peaceful to get on the evangelical boat where they want to.

I heard somebody They were lip-syncing El Shaddai or so that the boat captain, right? Who did I? Listen to I think maybe was Daniel block. He said I know 13 languages when people I was seeing that I think Amy Grant song our Mac Michael W Smith El Shaddai El Shaddai Eric here on a man who died said I don't have any idea what that is.

It's not any language at all in that Eric here common thing. We go to Sea of Galilee, it's neat because you can see okay 13 miles long six miles wide Herman wind a choppy how long they take to roll across etc.

But what was that whole thing where I saw you you like that's some of the water and you were Gargling. Well, you know I had I had a little bit of nuts upset stomach. And I looked it up on the internet and said something about I don't know some Franciscan brother so and father around by so-and-so said, you know, you just consume eight ounces and It'll cure all of you.

Well, I had enough sense to do the same thing, but I used a lifestraw. Okay, I actually brought a lifestraw on the trip because you know, you never know. Okay, there's that this is a legit question. This is this is you know, we're joking around.

We're having fun sleep to problem. People drinking diet 7up. So yeah, thanks train. I think me. I've got that set a 7up. You're back Spryce. I have diet Sprite. We grew up drinking tab. Remember at home fresh mom mom would go to Weight Watchers.

So we had yeah. We did wait watch your colas. Uh-huh. Well, I would go with mom and she was a little she hadn't tab or fresca. They were both pretty bad. Remember that why are we talking about that mom?

Let us eat three ice cream cones of a name to South Dakota. I'll never forget that and why do we have an addictive personality? Okay, so traveling to Israel people would like to be holy. They would like to say no to sin and yes to righteousness to use technical language mortification and vivification.

But instead of union with Christ and other things and walking by faith. Why what's in a person a real Christian even Pat who has to touch an icon? Kiss the natal star of Jesus. But could do something pour some holy oil on their head little dabble do you prel on there on their Armpits, I mean, what is it?

Types, Shadows, and the Ordinary Means of Grace

Me. Okay. Let's think about it from the most positive side. There's something in us that longs for a Solution, right? We know we have a problem. So people try all of these things. So I think that that that's built in because we know we're broken.

Maybe we long for The real I don't think that's altogether bad and yet the reality is Jesus Left he ascended. He's not here, but he left us with the Holy Spirit. So that's good. But I think what's the question is what's most real?

What's most real? Well, there was a real Jesus The Eternal Son before there was ever a temple in Jerusalem. So The reality is that the dwelling of God came down in a unique way, but it was was a type it's shadow.

So there's that and we want to go back to the types and shadows. I think because we're sinners I'm just rambling trying to think it through but We have to remember that in Hebrews chapter 2 Jesus talks about how he's in the midst of the congregation.

Right. He's he is there uniquely when his people gathered through the power of the Spirit. That's more real than anything at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre anything any kind of Jesus junk any Kind of slab where Jesus we know the ascension happened here because we have Jesus footprint because that's a thing.

I Don't know why it is and what it is, but with we get confused. We were shadow huggers. It's so true. Our guide thankfully though has said things like this is the general area, right? This is the Mount of Olives.

You don't know exactly where Jesus did this that of the other I think of SOS Johnson Pat when He would talk about V for Nate in interpret in few kind of I say it about. Involves Temple ornaments boot commemorated.

All these things and how Roman Catholic Church seems to do the same thing when it's not faith alone. We're a stop ordinary means of grace when it's not paper. I eat Bible wine and bread for communion and water for baptism.

Will you forget the ordinary means of preaching and sacraments? Then what else will do. Vacuums must be filled and I think people underestimate What worship is on a large day Sunday, right? We don't feel different.

We don't sense the presence of God. He's not somehow We know giving us Something going on in our bosom, but there's a supernatural Happening when it comes to Lord's Day worship. Absolutely with Christ Jesus.

Absolutely. I love the Sinclair Ferguson story of the story that he tells about, you know a first century early church in Jerusalem and the temptation would have been to go back is They didn't have anything didn't have the smells and bells.

They didn't have the sacrifices. They could hear the singing and what do they have, you know, it's some kind of flat some other Christians persecuted persecuted singing some songs maybe and Reading some scriptures and somebody preaching that's all they had.

And when when you read the book of Hebrews like that taking with that in mind it helps you because we're not like the Catholic Church with all the stuff and the smells and the bells and It could be tempting to say I need something real and something tangible.

When in reality we have what's most real of all and that would be the Lord Jesus Christ himself by the power of the Spirit. We've got it all wrong when we're looking for the stuff as we are before even this year and I think that helps for The Israel trip people to say that that's not Christianity all these different people.

We see around here the religious people whether they're Jewish or Christian Orthodox. They're all clamoring for these holy sites and things they could buy a special olive wood and everything else. Obviously if you want to buy a souvenir or a trinket fine.

But that's not Christianity. What is Christianity and I'm glad you brought up the Ferguson story. I mean, can you imagine after seeing the temple with the goal and the marble and the big lingers and the Trumpeting and the smells and then now I'm on the run getting persecuted for this Jesus that I believing in.

But once you have Jesus you have everything you do with Christ. You have nothing as far as all of those other things, but you have everything because you have Jesus the Son Atonement once-for-all sacrifice.

Favorite Sites and the Historical Reality of Jesus

I love Hebrews for that reason. What's your favorite part so far? It's my favorite part so far I think it's a Caesarea or as they say Caesarea by the sea. Because of the Pontius Pilate stone because of I love the ocean, you know, I'm of the sea that's cool.

That's probably most fascinating to me knowing Peter was there preaching to Cornelius kind of the Gentile day of Pentecost Acts chapter 10 and around there. I love that. I also love the people that were with in the sense that it's so fun to share something.

We love. And we've experienced but you know fairly well with other people because you know, they're loving it. You know, it's helping me them to make more sense of things. So that's pretty fun. Yeah, I like to watch the faces of people and all of a sudden you go over the hill and there's Jerusalem, are you you're descending from Dan and there's the Sea of Galilee.

People getting in the boat and we had a neat experience this time instead of going on the little boat To the Sea of Galilee Center and you know doing a circle or something. We went all the way across and it made me think we had an engine.

It took a long time to get across the disciples. Whether they had sails or whether their row were growing and or both how long it takes to get across there and I'm start thinking about the watches and everything else and you did a good job by bribing the Dude, I don't think we talked about bribing on the back them.

Okay. What I meant by bribing was it was an ancient Hebrew word, that's right. Yes. Talked about I'm just giving out somebody a tip. We showed our gratitude. Yes. It was a tip. It was just a thing. Okay, don't play your music and and I don't want to hear Stephen took Curtis champion.

I Think it was driving me crazy. I think also one another favorite bar was Capernaum. I love going to Capernaum because you have the first century synagogue floor. Original they built on top of it, but that's pretty cool and faked and that's where Jesus actually taught.

So I think that's pretty good. I did not do but I always tell people I'm gonna do. I can't believe I forgot. But I'd love to go to the Sea of Galilee and skip a rock. Because you think Jesus did when he was a boy my Jesus it would have been a prop it would have been a perfect skip.

Oh, I wonder how many what it would have been seven skips right because number for perfection. That's exactly right. But you know. Maybe could have been 40 skips. Okay. Yeah seeing the desert. We think of Oasis.

I mean like Sierra Desert see what the deserts like here the wilderness rather. Yes, I like that and thinking Jesus 40 days. What do you do out there for 40 days? Tempted by Satan. I like that you kind of get a good idea of of what's going on.

Seeing the path from Jericho to Jerusalem that 18-mile treacherous path. That's a good backdrop for the Good Samaritan parable. I like that a lot. I also really enjoy the fact that we've been coming along enough.

We've done this enough times. There are new discoveries. Right there. They've come up with things. They've discovered things that they hadn't discovered in 2008 when we were here, for example. So we saw Magdala.

Well in Magdala, we I mean they knew roughly where it was, but it wasn't uncovered. Right, and then more stuff of Magdala was uncovered since the last time we were well I think somebody had a vision that they told him to start digging in Magdala the guy said, okay I have to obey the vision of God.

I'm a friar. I must obey. All those stories, can you imagine the stories behind it all? What does it make you think Pat when you see? Oh, look, there's Bibi Netanyahu. Oh, wait a second. It wasn't really him, but we are staying close to his house.

We speak Western without Jewish people obviously. We've seen Jewish people in the Old Testament and the New Testament. It confirms in my mind his scriptures, I don't need to comment on the Old Testament Confirmation visually because I'll just believe the scriptures, but there's a veil put over their eyes.

But they cannot see the glory of Christ and they walk around. Doing what? I don't know. He but it is professing to be godly but denying the power. Don't you don't you learn that? It certainly seems to be the case and you even have to fight some of the just Oh Animasin you might feel toward them for certain things and behaviors and being obnoxious so you have to fight that because you want to be compassionate and kind and merciful, but there there.

It's not that they're not believing because of lack of evidence. Lack of historicity lack of even what the Bible says even even today. We heard it from our guide who is Jewish Russian Russian Jewish he said, you know, then it's not that they study the scriptures now.

Maybe he was wrong, but he says they generally don't study the scriptures. It's a commentary on a commentary on a commentary on a commentary. And when they do actually read Isaiah 53, he said there they can't believe it's actually in the Bible.

Thought that was kind of interesting so. So true. I didn't okay. So as an aside, I was just joking about BB Netanyahu. Since we are staying close to his house. I Just listened to his autobiography and he said something to the effect that he used to be concerned about all of the evangelical like preachers and people like that in America and Coming to Israel because he was suspicious thinking that they would try to convert and proselytize the Jews.

And he said I'm no longer worried about that. He said I love them and I welcome them because now I know they're the evangelical Christian pastors. I'm not trying to proselytize or convert to Jews. They're trying to proselytize and convert other Christians and to become anxiotists.

How about that. Well, you could probably see how that happens here big time how terrible is that what an indictment that we don't evangelize the Jews. We just try to get other Christians to support Zionism.

I mean, it's kind of a mirror thing that in the u .s. With this Christian nationalism. I mean, what's the difference? Do you go evangelize in America? Unbelievers or do you go Proselytize believers to try to get them to be theonomic Christian national or via or even unbelievers, right?

Right. It's a sad state of affairs. So worst parts favorite parts, you know geography. Culture Middle East traveling around seeing how things connect. Oh. The flight so the flight was rough. I'll say amen to that.

That's a tough cookie. I mean, I won't tell you what airline we were on but I think the only beverage service was Here's a bottle of water get up and you can go to the back and get something else if you want.

On a 10-hour flight. I think it's gonna be 12 on the way home. Just so you know the food. Well, I'm going through Rome. Oh, you're going on a vacation with your wife. I'm like the rest of us underlings.

I had I need to go kiss some more icons. Okay and go talk to the Pope. This is not enough because you can buy indulgences at the Vatican. I know I've been there. Oh, there's some there's a place in New York City St. Patrick's Cathedral Pat and you could go put your credit card in there with you.

Oh, yeah. It's just oh, yeah, we went together and it's just a 50 buck deal. You put it in put it out. It's 50 bucks. It goes to I don't know saying we're whoever st Patrick's leaders are security was pretty impressive from that airline though with a big Police Attacked vehicle parked out front just to flex interviewed us for 20 minutes 20 25 minutes each.

It was the the final straw for me. I don't know about you and your line was Big did going to Jordan. Who do you know in Jordan and all this kind of stuff? But well, you gave all your folks the pact of bottle.

It's true. They thought maybe there was something in every one of those bonds distributed equally. I was nervous because they say made in China. Well, maybe there was some kind of a worthless submitted George some special sauce on there.

I didn't like that flight, but you know what it's over yeah, whatever flights flights hard, but it's doable and Being tired, you know jet lag adjusting but our group has been great. Nobody's Been too crabby or brought beer anything.

No, I Has it is there any negative? Downside, I don't think so we went up to see the gate where Abraham could have walked through and I think you know what for a long flight and Some minor any conveniences with traffic because the traffic is bad here Brighton people are kind of rude and obnoxious.

I mean in America. Here's what we tend to do. Now. This is a generalization, but we say Excuse me, right? It's kind of nice in Spanish cone pair me So hair dough in the May and then in Arabic, it's zoos get out of my way.

And just bumping into us and then these different cultures and people from other places. Just you know, if you give one foot of space in front of you, they'll take over if you're a tour guide. You know Patrick is sitting there for a guide pushing him over.

I was wondering what that headlock Patrick was doing on that lady to guide thin sweet. We that was interesting. No tapped out. So if people are gonna come to Israel that there are pitfalls they need to avoid.

They need to be cautious about the kind of guide they get because there are Catholic guides and Jewish guys and Protestant guides and do some research do some due diligence good talk to your friends who are vain years things like that.

We've got a great guide this time. There's been a great job. What are some other pitfalls maybe to avoid? Somebody's gonna come to Israel and schedule a trip. Well, I probably wouldn't do it during the summer because it's probably gonna be too hot.

I probably would. Um, I probably schedule some free time, right? If you're packed too much and you never have any time off a cool one. We're off to do it to like good with this Gwen view with the tour.

You just have to defer. There's 45 50 people and if you're not the leader You're not in charge. You just have to go along. So just be ready to do that. Maybe you want to stay a few extra days and maybe rent a car or something like that.

That might be a good thing to do. But so far, I mean going up Masada. We'll be down to the Dead Sea and Sodhi. Tell me about your Dead Sea experience. What'd you think of that? I think the Dead Sea is okay.

It's fun. It's different, but I like just watching people's faces. Trying to help them figure out how to do it. So my son Joe sighs with this. So it's fun to watch you watch him do it. It's beautiful.

I can't think of anything in the Bible about the Dead Sea. What's it maybe consult see him things like that and there's prophetic passage about basically it being healed something along those lines. So there's me.

Hey, how about my ghetto? It is like me ghetto that tell me ghetto I'm so tired right now. I don't even remember. Well, how come they get off? I like the solid, you know Solomon's stables and those things.

I think isn't that my ghetto down and live that is that's fascinating. Solomon's idolatry was horrific. But he was he was an evil wicked man in a lot of ways. Oh, I know what would be a good question because I know you bet the answer.

Give us a couple books to read before we bury Israel. Oh, actually, I don't know the name of the book. But that little book that you recommended to me. Actually lands of the Bible lands of the Bible is a newer one that it was outstanding.

I gave everyone a copy of that. It's simple to the point. I like that a lot. What's the old Palmer Robinson? He's got logical Late yeah, the different views of the land and that pulled out the work outstanding.

So you're asking me questions. I don't know the answer to so that's okay because we're tired in Israel on location. What what are we not going to do next time that we did this town? Not gonna do next.

I think this next time I think we're gonna go to a lot and we're gonna go snorkeling. Okay, we would like that a lot. You said we weren't gonna do any crowbar, but I think we should do the summer from over here.

Let's design a trip. Where we're going to mountain bike for a couple days like from Jericho. Maybe some hiking mountain biking hiking some some big hiking trips. He's snorkeling it Swamp doing it a lot a surf day in Tel Aviv.

Okay, paddleboarding on the Sea of Galilee and then some beautiful besides too I think that might have to be for our graduates or something like that. I think that's a Right alumni, it's this the alumni trip for the it's the look what do we call it?

I don't let me shoot guns to every kind of fog. Yeah. Excellent. Excellent. Have you eaten a lot of fish for breakfast? I've been avoiding the fish for breakfast, but I've been having a you know, Mediterranean salad with feta cheese on okay.

Well in honor of our mother, I've been having fish every morning for our goodness. But now all the fish breakfast have seen the scene. It's just they're Swedish what do they call the Swedish fish I Don't know and a pickled hairy.

I thought it was a candy. See his fish sweet is fish. Well, I think we maybe have done better shows in our life. I think maybe we have We have to fill the podcast Leech because because my eyes want you it's true inquisitive minds want to know.

Yeah do the Israel trip. It's great it's awesome different culture great travel just be very very picky about who your tour guide is and You'll have a better trip that way. All right. Well from the Holy Land from the pilgrimage the Typological Holy Land.

Um, oh, I guess we could see this maybe try to redeem it I'm preaching to watch this bat and it's talking about Types and shadows and it's talking about why go back to the shadow because Christian nationalism I I know and the word shadow could mean what we think of as shadow the Sun hits you and Your body blocks some of the Sun around the sidewalk is your shadow.

But it also also can mean tracing or outlining. Okay, so I come to Israel I think all these types of shadows and tracings. They've been fulfilled in Christ Jesus. So why go back to don't handle don't touch don't taste kosher food this that you're talking about my favorite thing.

Types, Shadows, and the Ordinary Means of Grace Fulfilled in Christ

Yeah, and so we would we I think it was maybe BB Warfield that said in the Old Testament. There were all these things that talked and pointed to talked about and quoted to the Lord Jesus but the light was dim and Now that we have the New Testament, we read the Old Testament through the lens of the New Testament and say oh.

That's amazing the lights on there's no new furniture. There's no new couch. There's no new table. They've always been there. But now we see what they are in light of the New Testament and now we look at the real thing.

Not the shadows, right? So to redeem our show today tell our listeners Pat why it's important to read the Old Testament in light of the new. So we don't have this kind of crowd because we have one divine author.

Who intentionally? Designed it that way. So in anticipation, we have the types and shadows and the fulfillment the substance belongs to Christ. So we come to Israel do an Israel tour and hadn't haven't be a historical tour.

You're learning about the types and shadows really is what you're doing a lot of the time. But the substance belongs to Christ who lived here, yes who died here yes was raised here. Yes ascended from here.

Yes. But what we're not trying to do is hey, let's study all this stuff so we can bring it back again. Because we don't believe in regressive revelation believe in progressive revelation. So it's wonderful to come to Israel not because we're promoting Zionism.

Because or not we come to Israel to say here's where Jesus did it here's where Jesus Showed himself to be the substance and therefore, let's look to him. He's ascended and we're waiting for his return.