July 9, 2019 Show with Phil Sessa & Glenroy Clarke on “Reaching the Lost & Discipling the Saved in the Inner City”

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Good afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida. And the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. We're listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio.

Wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this ninth day of July 2019 and I'm delighted to have back on the program a returning guest. His name is Phil Cessa. He is the director of soul fishing ministries and a co-host of the new podcast Stop and think about it today.

We are going to be addressing reaching the lost and discipling the saved in the inner city. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back again to iron sharpens iron radio Phil Cessa.

Thank you very much. Thank you very much. It's an honor to be back on your Beloved Radio program and thank you for the privilege and honor to be on it with you today.

Now I happen to know that your pastor is a long time friend of mine that I've known for many years. Even before he was a pastor of a church plant when he was an elder at the North Shore Baptist Church of Bayside, Queens pastored by my friend Ed Moore who I Met that I believe the the first within the first couple of weeks of him taking the the call to the pastorate at North Shore Baptist Church quite a long time ago.

And.

It's been my honor and privilege to call him my friend all these years. This goes back to I believe to the early 1990s if I'm not mistaken, but I am thrilled to Hear of the wonderful progress that's being made by the grace of God with the church that Peter Nicotra Was sent out to plant.

Tell us about this church where you are a member of pastored by Peter Nicotra in Queens, New York.

Grace Baptist Church in Woodhaven and the Diversity of Queens

So Grace Baptist Church is located in Woodhaven, New York and Pastor Peter and the other pastor is yours truly church. Alongside pastor and shoulder the burden and the joys of at Grace Baptist Church plethora are just such.

I mean we have Italians and Jamaicans and Guyanese. We got people from like all over the map all over the world and Which is what Queens is made up of so it's really a beautiful thing. So at refreshment time and we you're tasting all the different tastes of the world.

At refreshment time, but what I really love is you're seeing Just so many different like that is our common denominator. I don't think there's anything greater than that.

Well, I'm sorry. You lost me at Italians. I no longer want to support This. Well, I am in fact send an invitation to your co-pastor Peter Nicotra that I'd like to have him on. Again on the iron trip is iron.

It was many many years ago that he was My guest on the program back in the days when we were broadcasting out of New York. And I just want to give the website for that church. I hope to give it later on as well, but the website.

Is.

Gbcny .org that's gbcny .org and that is Grace Baptist Church and that is Located in Woodhaven, New York. So anybody living in that area or if you have friends family and loved ones in that area send them over to pay a visit to Grace Baptist Church, Woodhaven, New York.

Soul Fishing Ministries and Evangelism as Fishers of Men

Now. Let's hear something about soul fishing ministries. For the sake of our listeners who did not hear your previous interviews on our program or perhaps they just are totally unaware of soul fishing ministries.

And I know it has absolutely nothing to do with the actual sport or recreation known as fishing. But it's referring to us being fishers of men as Christians. That is our call and duty. But if you could let us know about soul fishing ministries.

Yeah, so the Lord really just burned my heart when I was a young believer. The loss and I didn't even know what I was Doing. I never heard the word evangelism or missions when I was a young believer. Just as a teenager what I was doing that graduated from the suburbs.

And have been in the city ever since. Ray Comfort who I know many people men is blessing to a lot of frustrations. That I had concerning biblical Christianity and evangelism as a result. Several ways.

Apologetics. Prayer that would undergird everything. Exposit God's Word. Men from the pulpit. Women in Bible study. And so that's been just a tremendous men raised up. Men discipling others. Women discipling other.

Team. The gospel and opportunities.

That we give them and if anybody wants to look up that website. It is soul fishing ministries org. Soul Fishing ministries org. And now let's hear about your brand new podcast. Stop and think about it.

Starting the Stop and Think About It Podcast

So there were three brothers myself a brother named Glenroy Clark who's a deacon in our church and who also Preaches at our men's breakfast in jail up member at our church as well. Same heart as my sister.

I had it in my heart. That was all about the equipment that Chris I'm sure you know about. I had no clue. I mean, I know what a microphone is and.

Demonstrate far too much confidence in me. I'm a host of a program and not an engineer and James White if by some miracle is listening right now He would be laughing his brains out having you Claim that I know anything about technology.

So Steve and Things out and you know, it was just it was a lot of zeal. We had a lot of ideas a lot of passion or knowledge. But kind of had to put it in a format it never done before all of that white work.

He's after link so I was clicking and linking for like quite some time as money was going out of the account. Do full set equipment and we've been for God's honor and glory.

Praise God. Well, I wish that you had consulted me before picking the theme of your of your podcast Because being a New York podcast, I have a better title. It's don't forget about it. Yeah, I just I couldn't handle the the The the busyness of New York.

I needed the place where I can just be in a quiet little area and And mind my own business and have people mind their own business. But anyway That's right. Carlisle PA South Central PA The home of the United States headquarters of banner of truth and Also the home of Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service.

CV bbs .com who is a sponsor of our show. Yes, I'm sitting right now.

Well, it is a nice little quaint place. I had college over there in Valley for him back over here and.

The Dickinson College is right within about three minute walk from where I'm sitting and Unfortunately, Dickinson College was at one time many many years ago a Christian Institution for higher learning, but sadly it is a extremely liberal But a gorgeous campus a very large Multi-location campus.

All its surrounding where I live here wherever you walk you see a building in a campus grounds affiliated with Dickinson College, but Today we are going to be addressing as I announced earlier reaching the lost and discipling the saved in the inner city.

Reaching the Lost in the Inner City

First of all, what from your experience can you say might be a difference? between Reaching the lost to start with in the inner city as opposed to a suburb or more rural area. One thing I could say that I don't know if you would echo this.

And I know that somebody out there might somehow in Some insane attempt to discredit what I'm saying twist it Into something that I'm saying that it is racist what it which is not. It's the exact opposite actually, but I have found Being from the suburbs That whenever I have been a part of any kind of public evangelism effort handing out tracts anything like that.

Those.

Passing by from minority groups african-american hispanic, etc typically would immediately be politely Responsive in some way to what I was doing Very very often thanking me for a tract Smiling, you know, etc.

Whereas Most of the white people look at you like you're insane or have leprosy They just want to be away from you as quickly as possible, but is that anything reflective of what you have experienced.

100 100 verbatim what you have said, I've seen it. I see you kind of a thing. You know that you know, they may be eye contact and turn their eyes away. But yeah, I mean I find or mentioned People from the islands people from Africa link to dialogue about these things.

So, yeah, I absolutely concur. I think that is just a reality. Yeah, and I have to.

Chime in that I have only done this. Any kind of outdoor evangelism in New York? I've never done it in the Bible Belt where you might get a similar reaction. I don't know. You might get a similar reaction from white folks who have more of a cultural Christianity.

Going on there because I believe that many in the black community.

Are.

Receptive it might not have anything to do with an actual Indwelling of the Holy Spirit or the fact that they are regenerate. It may just because of the fact that Christianity and Church life seems to be more embedded in the the life of the average black American citizen.

I mean it just it's even in the north.

Yeah.

Whereas you know down south you have an equal thing going on with whites and blacks.

Yeah, I would agree. I mean I work in a public school in New York City in Harlem that may be I mean other brothers.

Follow-Up Evangelism, Discipleship, and Open-Air Preaching

Now what more do you care to say about your approach to first reaching the lost? We will get to discipling the saves of course is a very important element because unfortunately there are many crusade type ministries That are all about reaching the lost with the gospel.

And sometimes tragically and in fact, it's more than sometimes. It's perhaps in this day and age most frequent that The gospel is distorted and candy-coated to such a degree that the disciples might not even recognize It as the gospel.

The I'm talking about the first century disciples. But they do. Many of these ministries do little if anything to follow up and disciple people that claim to have Received Christ. So but but first of all let me hear more about that first aspect.

Coming from your point of view with soul fishing ministries and also as a pastor of Grace Baptist Church there in Queens, New York.

Yeah, and so one thing is this important thing in this world the things I think it really going to a real hell. And there's a real Christ and wouldn't we want everyone to know that it really has to start with our own heart Jesus said pray to the Lord the harvest to send out laborers and then in the next verse he tells them to Go the man about the Lord and so I think we must be able to have one on one that we would be stop them in their tree someplace, but they might be willing to stop and Talk to you about the things of eternity.

They might have been going to Modell's that day. They might be going to McDonald's that day or wherever they're going or they're coming from someplace. And then they meet you and that might be just an absolute divine appointment.

And if you remember fill up in the book of Acts He was in a massive revival in Samaria to go out to that dusty road to meet one Ethiopian eunuch. To reach for Christ, and that's how they got on one witness mission back and forth I think is key are you willing to have those conversations.

The other aspect sometimes people are in a rush. They can't they don't have time to stop and talk to you for whatever reason, but they might take a track. Now they're going sitting on the train or when they get home.

We've had several people come to our church and and that we've baptized. That have come to know Christ through our evangelistic efforts with Grace Baptist Church. We normally go over to Center Mall right there Near our church with the gospel of Jesus Christ and as we're out there the other aspect that we do besides verbally one-on-one and getting a gospel tracks is that several of the men ask the mic around a Guy will take five ten minutes and spend some time open-air preaching to those that are passing by and on occasion comes out of a page of Ray Comfort fine line between getting a heckler so angry that he wants to punch your face in and Where the back-and-forth draws a crowd of people and it's cordial and he said you will find that line.

Thank God up to this point. I've never found the line of uh, you know weeks ago We had a young man and he started kind of shouting things back. I don't believe in Jesus. Jesus never existed. So I prided him to come over.

I said tell me why you why you believe that crowd around and to the gospel. Because I was answering him by the way.

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Oh I would think when it comes to Public or outdoor or open-air evangelism.

That.

Picking a location to do this is of key importance. Yeah, and I have heard from I have done interviews on this subject before and I've heard from brethren whom I respect that the gospel is Enough of an offense that we don't need to add our own offensiveness and therefore we should not be in the face of people like if they're in involved in open-air dining on a sidewalk cafe right in their faces Evangelizing them on the trying to eat or any other kind of a thing where you're interrupting something.

It's it's the the the ideal location I have heard maybe you disagree is really more of an area where there's traffic moving people walking by rather than you intruding upon some kind of an event where you are actually ruining some kind of recreational activity and bringing a Negativity into the gospel.

That doesn't need to be there because the gospel as I said is already offensive. So what do you have to say about that?

Yeah, so I mean imagine if there's like a sidewalk cafe and you set up shop like right in front of it and people and. Then you know, you're blaring you're playing with the gospel at that time. That's right there and full of that and Probably cursing by and that can stop perhaps near a train station.

Peep traffic is moving. They're going back and forth coming to and from their destinations and some of them will stop and listen. So the place we go under mall. It's outside the mall thing by to go toward the entrance either one way or the other and there are some there.

They're just grabbing their sin or they can keep it moving. And for those that keep it moving We can hand out gospel trap and they're preaching and through the gospel. So I do think we definitely need to be mindful of that.

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We're now back with our guest today Phil Sessa who is one of the pastors along with Peter Nicotra at Grace Baptist Church of Woodhaven, New York. He's also the director of soul fishing ministries and one of the hosts of stop and think about it a new podcast.

And we are addressing reaching the lost and discipling the saved in the inner city. If you have a question join us via email at Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and Phil as you may remember we heard from our mutual friend Al Yerkes with wretched radio and wretched TV.

Who wanted to know why you went to a Joel Osteen related event to evangelize?

Well, initially I wanted to see if anybody had a bigger smile than Joel. Day of the week.

I.

Never thought of that, but yeah, that's a pretty accurate description. Yes.

And if you want to see how York's you can see him it's coming up in January.

Yep, I see him every year that I've been there and it's always a great joy to see my brother Al your.

Yes, so God has credentialed with the assemblies of God for many years. Had let my credentials lapse as it is now. I had preach and teach and I did outreaches in the community of that local church and served faithfully over there.

I Heard on the of night. It was right in the New York area to join to travel into the area. Wretched radio. I believe I spoke with Trish Ramos and she put me in touch with Al York's. Trish is.

Affiliated with red grace, right? I believe so in.

Yes, her husband is involved in that. Yes when Amelia around so said at that time he had not. So I said, okay. Well, would you like us to help you? He said what can you do and I began to share some of the things that we do with soul fishing ministries.

So made some flyers sent out the word the pastor of the church that was going to did not want me to go to this outreach. Not that he particularly liked Osteen, but he thought some people may get saved through Osteen's message.

Well, I disagreed with him and I ended up going that day and that day. I met two people. I met Al York's and I met Peter Nicotra. You see with it. Can you see where this is going? Yeah, I mean just what a phenomenal day.

That was the Lord put me in touch with to pay to work with wretched. But we still love them and we still talk regularly and the others. Peter Nicotra. Which I'm serving with at the local Church of Grace Baptist now and so Alan I.

The Lord just knit a hearse together and a beautiful friendship has developed and I've learned a lot from now. I don't know if he's ever learned anything from me, but it's been very gracious to have a great relationship with Al Lee.

So I retired and now he's gonna have a baby. So praise God for that. Yes.

Something tells me that Al robbed the cradle then.

When out there I meet Peter and I go you're a pastor and you're not evangelizing like I wish. I know that is Evangelistic preaching. Well, and I we people out there are provided. Oh, so, I mean it was great.

But the great thing was there's 52 ,000 people that can fit and again There's tons of people coming to hear the person that's considered like the pastor of America now. Yikes. Or zoinks as Todd would say quoting the Scooby-Doo commercial or show.

And so 50 52 ,000 people we figured you know what this is a place where we should plant ourself for these hours. And so we gave out thousands and thousands of Bible tracts and DVDs Gospel literature. It went out to thousands and thousands of people in that one day.

And We preached the gospel out there because there was no true gospel going in on the inside.

Right.

Let me just backtrack a little bit to clarify a couple of things. I'm sure that You have no opposition to pastors Who happened to be so incredibly busy caring for the flock that God has called them to shepherd that?

That they don't have time to be involved in a lot of outdoor evangelism and other activities outside The caring for the flock. I know that you were very blessed and impressed by Peter Nicotra doing that but You know you have some pastors that have Very large congregations, and God is you know?

Really.

Ringing them dry to the point where they don't have any other time. Than to dedicate to those very people in the congregation that they pastor. Don't you agree that that can be a legitimate? Thing for a pastor not to be involved in you know these outdoor activities on a regular basis anyway.

Yeah, I mean it goes out pastor and the other.

Thing I wanted to bring up because it's a very controversial Area when it comes to outdoor or open-air or public evangelism.

I.

Think that there are brethren even those Some of those that theologically agree with us who are theologically reformed and so on who unfortunately I believe Go to the events held by Christians who are in disagreement with us theologically or they might even be false Christians.

I have a hard time believing Joel Osteen is actually regenerate but at the same time Don't you think that very? Great care needs to be made or had when You are going to an event other than your own and that you are not Purposely Disrupting the event and and that kind of a thing because you know the old saying is true.

It's not necessarily is laying out of the Bible, but it's still true. What goes around comes around. I mean you you could very likely in the the near future have homosexuals or Muslims or anybody else Interrupting interrupting your actual worship service, so don't you think there is a balance that needs to be made? when going to an event like that that What it goes back really to the question I asked about open-air preaching right next to a sidewalk cafe.

You I think you have to be careful not to be adding an offense To the gospel when the gospel itself is offensive enough. Oh, you're going to.

Which group is there? What do you have to take a lot of things into consideration? When you go out, and you're going to proclaim the gospel Sometimes it might be best actually not to open-air preach at a large event and Maybe quietly hand out gospel traction have one-on-one conversations with people standing on line and things of that nature.

Interviews. Would seem that that would not have been the best forum. Did they wear t-shirts that said I swear. I'm not gay.

I.

Think you have to really just as we share the truth in love and so how can we make sure we're firing on the same? Time is it's very key times open-air preachers can be there. Yes sometimes preacher you could want to attract attention to yourself, or you could want to cut slam them and You know make somebody feel stupid or would have you didn't be the heart that we shamefully say that I have had that heart at times and God has had to correct my heart and so when I open-air preach if I feel that I'm Stepping into those waters or getting to that line in a way I try to ask the other brothers that hear me preaching even some of the other ladies.

You know was I arrogant was I did I sound prideful this? Idolatry sometimes that can come with open-air preaching that you just want to say, you know, and in the gospel this promoting yourself.

Right, in fact.

Arrogant maverick lone wolf open-air preachers Destroyed a ministry that dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega ministries had for decades Near the Mormon temple and also other Mormon events annual events like the Easter pageant and other things where he would be out there respectfully out of love and compassion and Concern for the souls of Mormons.