Aftershow: Slick vs Neff, naturalism or Christianity

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All right. So for those who wanted it, come on. Nobody's in. Hey, usually even by now there's kicking in here pretty quickly. Oh There's five watching anybody gonna come going to come on in here In the stream yard thing.

You can actually participate like he was we'll do this for 15 or so minutes if you guys are interested if not, no big deal, but If you are watching got five people watching you can type something in say hello and I'll see it.

Okay, well the ideas see a little of that that's right. Okay, what'd you guys think? Give me some comments. Oh boy. We don't want dead town. Hey bill shiverless shiver us. I Can never get his name right to pronounce it, right?

Hey Melissa, why don't you come in Melissa? Come on in bill once you come in, you know, we've got the stream yard link here. Adam Harold, it was short notice debate. It was just Last night, okay fine.

You know, I want to debate this. I'm like, okay. He can't answer the serious questions though. He likes to diverge. I'm glad you thought Melissa. Why don't you guys come on in? Okay, if you want come on in Melissa come on in bill.

Come on in Duke. Come on in. There's your only ones like I five people watching. Wow. That's all right. It's kind of late anyway. That was fun. There we go. Here's bill big bill. Hello Matt, yeah, I accept NG it works as a part of God's created thing after Noah's flood it works.

Yeah, but you sound like my buddy. Gosh, I can't I've never heard anybody sound like somebody else so much like you do like man. All right, you can do a camera thing or not. No, not tonight. Well, you'll be merciful to people I see.

All right. I'm already out there, you know for years. I never showed my face publicly. I would never My picture be known People always wanted to know what I look like and I was trying to protect my protect just protect my family.

So if you had death threats and things so picture kind of got out so that I knew it was out then I started showing my face and people were screaming and.

So whatever. You know another question I want to ask David was what did the DNA originate?

Yeah, that's a whole there. I was saying about that. I'm thinking no. It's gonna just go down to too far of a of a question a Q &A thing. It's gonna go too far because that's a whole nother topic, but it's a good one.

It's a good question. Anybody want to join in? We got ten people watching big after show and if you want to join in for talk for a little bit All you have to do is Go to their stream yard. You can get in.

Come on, Melissa. We you've been on a lot. Come on in. Come on in Adam Eric you guys can click on the well put the link in and you can get in and If you have a camera, we can see you if Mike we can talk to you.

So if you want to do that, if not, that's okay. So just trying to get people to come in and talk. Otherwise, I just had to fill the air talking to myself I think it's boring pretty quickly. Once it reminds me of my wife and I were driving.

And no, we weren't driving. Yeah, we were driving and I asked her a question. It was one of those kind of questions where she had to think about it a little bit. Okay. Just think about just a little bit and she took like 10 seconds I knew it was one of those kind of questions wasn't sure what to how to respond and so We're driving.

I'm driving. I go. Oh, you're not gonna answer. Are you is it too difficult for you? Well, you see what you'll probably say is this that's why I answered for her I said, but then I'm gonna come back with this blah blah blah.

But then you're gonna respond to that with this and I'm gonna come back with this. So I did this whole monologue for like a minute minute and a half and I elevated it. She just sit there right and I'm going like it and then you're gonna insult me by saying look at well I'm not gonna listen to you.

I don't like I'm done with you. I can't help it so I'm driving and You know, I'm trying to be serious, right? And she's sitting there and she just goes what was it geeky talk to the hand so Let's be in lame.

It was fun. She tried not to smile. But hey, it was funny I just got her in trouble by by putting the words in for her. All right. Well, thanks, Melissa, you love my heart for the loss and for the truth of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I Don't think he did very well in the debate not in the critical issues. No. No Brandon get in there Eric Tetrault. Get in there, Melissa. Come on in Remy. Come on in Brandon Eric Adam come on in you guys Bill's already in the water's fine, isn't it?

Just dive right in. Dive right in. Let's see if I can do this. Hold on a second get back here. Discovered a little thing in my camera will do this. Let's see. Oh, yeah. Oh Yeah, look at that. I like that.

Give me one moment Matt getting my headset in. Okay, let's do this. Then I can go like this. And I can go up. There we go, and I can go this way. Oops. No this way. Yeah Tech is awesome. Oh James Sanborn.

Are you born at the beach? Come on in. Come on in everybody.

You know Matt I was the one that said does energy and matter produce life. And he can never answer that. He looked down.

He was really confused. Yeah, it's it's a tough one. Say Baal Genesis issues and they can't they can't do it. There's Remy. He obviously has the eyes of a reptilian alien. So that's a serious issue right there.

See if Remy can talk. Hey, how's it going? You hear me? Yeah Mr. Alien, dude. Yeah alien eyes. That's an old picture. Yeah, it is. Okay. We got Frenchy. Hey, what's up? Hey. Good. All right. God bless everybody.

God bless. Yep.

Calvinism, Foreknowledge, and Romans 8:29

Is this right. Just we can speak about whatever. Whatever. I want to speak about Calvin. Is this man? Matt what do Calvinism? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I've just found a Calvinist church recently, but like I'm not really sure about it.

Yet like I'm really thinking about Calvin is but I just have a couple verses to point out. Sure, kind of contradict like Calvinist or I don't know like how you explain it. So I was going with with Romans.

I believe it's Roman 829. Oh, that's easy. Yeah. All right. Go ahead. Yeah, so what about it? You know, it's for or against Calvinism you think I.

Believe. It's kind of like explaining the predestination that God for knew who would be saved. So he made them into good work bad.

Bad bad bad. No, let me before I answer this. Let me give a little bit of background here to help you out. Okay. Mm-hmm. All right, so Does God know everyone the answer is no he does not now you'll say wait a minute.

He knows everything. Yeah, that's first John 3 20, but when he says in Matthew 7 23, you get away from me. I never knew you. It means God does not know any everybody which means in that sense. He only knows believers.

He doesn't know unbelievers, all right. So if he only knows believers and he doesn't know unbelievers whenever he says to someone I never knew you. That's a bad thing for you, right? Yeah now in Galatians 4 8 It says when you did not know God you serve by nature those which are not gods.

But now that you've come to know God or rather are known by him now you come to serve the true and living God. So the issue is if you're known by God, so the word for no in Greek is gnosko. Gnosko the word for for no is pro gnosko.

Now notice what it says here in Romans 8 29 those who before knew he also Predestined it does not say he looked into the future of everybody to see who would pick him and predestined the ones who would pick Him doesn't say that.

Those who me for knew he also predestined the four known ones are also the predestined ones. They're the same group. You see that. Mm-hmm. So the ones he foreknew when we look at how God knows people then it makes sense to say that the ones he foreknew He knows in that saving way that's why he predestined them to become conformed the image of his son so that he'll be the First born of many brethren those whom he predestined.

He also called He also called he justified justified glorified. Okay makes sense. Absolutely. Thank you. Mr. Kid. I'm mr. Sleep. All right. So Frenchie you speak French. Yeah, I'm a French Canadian, oh you are huh?

Yeah. Okay, my wife speaks French. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, so I know a little bit of French like five things. That's it.

No, go for it. I want to hear you speaking French like volumetric.

Oh, I mean go eat. Yeah. Yeah, you see metal. No, I mean come here right now. And now this was a little really like a lot. Oh. Well, that makes sense if the little girls are running Spanish. Put a lot of Spaniel and Poco C.

Yeah, I broke a key to Espanol. Yeah, I don't it up and Easter long. No, I cannot speak anymore. I'm a poquito.

Hey. It's like I want it I want to say I saw your debate with the total depravity so thank you for sticking up.

Good, man. So what'd you think of that debate?

I was uh, that was I loved it because you know you were quoting scripture and everything like this and and his response was from from some parts were more emotional based and. And you know, I captured a lot of things and so I'm like well like this like you caught him in some parts.

And I was like he can't respond to it and it's a fight man. So I liked how you called him out for something that made me laugh. So.

Well, how about what I said to him. Why do you elevate your reasoning to an equal level to scripture. He never said no, I don't do that. He didn't he never denied it right. Even I said you'd ever denied it.

He still didn't deny it, right?

You could you could tell he was really mad like like like even the beginning of the debate. He was really like, you know, like. Like the tournament, you know.

And The first contents to 14 thing really threw him for a loop, you know, what are those spiritual things? You don't do your Christ, right, you know. Oh, so they they they don't know the things so they don't receive the things.

They've already received. How does that work? He could you know? And then the other was the last one he he imploded on there was something else. Oh, he's Pelagian. Oh, yeah, he's definitely. There's definitely plagiarism, okay, Melissa says.

Matt thoughts on double predestination. I'm only not. I'm not. I am not totally familiar with it. But I was having a conversation with an individual about it the other day and came up. It only appears to be that God predestined regarding salvation.

I don't. I only see the word predestined used in predestining to salvation but in Acts 4 27 28 We see Predestination being used for bad acts that God predestined people to do bad things. But I don't see a verse that says people are predestined predestined for damnation.

But it our verses that seem to say they're or chosen and ordained for it. So Sometimes depending on the mood. I mean, I'll say yes double predestination. But the other time I might get a little more specific and say he only predestines people for salvation.

But doesn't say he predestines them for damnation though. It seems kind of logically necessary because of exclusion things like that. So I kind of waver back and forth between the gray area the penumbra between those things if that makes sense.

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I had a problem long long time ago with Calvinists and I've long since actually backed off and I actually love a lot of my brothers in Christ, but you know a lot of hyper Calvinists Will teach in double talk on double double predestination on that Matt on that matter.

They will they will they won't deny that you know what. Because God Destinates Everything and he knows everything then that way he also knows before Adam existed that you would go to hell.

But see that that's that's heresy. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, Matt. Yeah, I have a question about a verse. Galatians chapter 5 verses 4. You know where it says you're falling from grace. Yeah. How do you explain it like because a lot of people use that for saying, you know.

You can lose your salvation if you don't keep God's commandment and ask him. Ask him this. Do you keep. Do you get salvation by doing? Good. No, you don't know. Do you get salvation by keeping the law?

No, because otherwise Christ died in vain. So if anybody says they keep the law in order to be saved, they're not a Christian, right? Okay. So what it says in Galatians 5 is this. And I testify every man who receives circumcision under obligation to keep the whole law.

You've been severed from Christ you who are seeking to be justified by the law. Wait a minute. Who's seeking to be justified by the law. Is it the Christians? No, it's the Hebrew. It's the Hebrews. So it's not talking about losing their salvation.

Is it? Nope.

It's talking about falling from grace from the laws.

The grace of knowing who Christ is what the truth is and God's revelation. God was gracious to them in that he provided the Messiah for them. They rejected the Messiah. So now they're falling from grace.

They fall from that grace doesn't say the grace of salvation doesn't say they are saved because they're seeking to be justified by the law. You can't be saved if you're seeking to be justified by the law.

Because if you want to be justified by the laws, you got to keep all the commandments. That's right.

Galatians 3 10 talks about that and also you might want to go to Galatians 3. You foolish Galatians who has bewitched you to think that that which has been begun. Before his eyes Jesus Christ is publicly portrayed as crucified.

This one thing I want to find out from you. Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish having begun by the Spirit? Are you now being perfected by the flesh?

So that's a it kind of related to the to that. So the Judaizers were seeking to require circumcision. They weren't Christians. There were Judaizers in the issue of circumcision. Okay.

Thank you. All right.

Next. Hey, I have a question. Um, this better be good. Yeah.

First of all, it's weird talking through the laptop. I'm not used to it. I I used to watch a lot of your videos on on evangelism and stuff I still do but I appreciate it. Thank you a lot for doing all this.

I I'm very grateful. Um, I saw the other day I had an account I was able to talk to a Jehovah Witness and I Went through a revelation Chapter 1 verse 8, you know saying that he's talking about the Alpha and Omega.

Yeah, and then um, and then if and then I brought like a verse reference here later on in chapter 1 verse 2. 17 through. Mm-hmm. Through 18 was it? Yeah 18 and um live and I was dead. Yep, right and so I did so he his response was he was well, he was laughing a lot and After he finished laughing he was he said well, they don't mean the same and I said well who's talking?

Oh, he's talking and so he he's told me that there's a different meaning behind it. It doesn't mean and so I didn't know how to respond to it.

Don't okay. Don't assume that when someone says something you have to respond to it. Mm-hmm, because you can say is Demonstrate what you're saying is true. It made an assertion say all the different meanings show me that right?

That's what you got to do. Show it to me. Well, I'm not gonna what wait, wait a minute. You said this now I want you to show me the different meaning because when he does that. Then you'll know how to respond.

Because he's gonna speak error and you'll see the error because he's in error and you'll be able to respond. So what I tell people is one of the first things you want to do when someone makes an assertion.

Is you know, you define terms, of course news logic scripture to validate or invalidate the assertions. But when someone makes an assertion like this don't just assume you have to respond to refute sometimes you do.

But there's also the option of just saying can you show me what you're saying? I want to see if it's true. Now it's all on them. They're the ones who brought it up. They're the ones who asserted it. So it's valid to say you show me how that's the case.

It's not a game. It's not a cheap shot. It's just valid. Please show me how that works and then you'll see that they can't do it and they say well, wait a minute. Why would you say that instead of saying, you know, well the mix, you know, I'll do this.

Well, how do you know if you can't say how do you know what is true? How do you know what you asserted was true? Why are you believing it is just because the watchtower tells you to etc. There's different things you can say.

Okay. I appreciate it.

All right, Matt.

So Adam, okay. Yeah, can I ask you a question real quick? You just did try another one.

So, you know the Bible says that you know, the the heart of men is wicked and everything right. So I. 79 Yeah, so, you know God like people but how can you know, you're really elected that you're not just being deceived by your own art.

Because Let's see. There we go. Election means you're chosen by God to be predestined later to be saved. Those who are saved Will confess the truth of the Word of God the truth of who Christ is. Things like that the resurrection atonement.

You know these spiritual things that the unbelievers cannot receive. They can comprehend them. But they don't receive them and rely on them and only those who are regenerate can do that. And so that's one of the ways to know that you're elect.

Okay, so so what will be the gospel in your point of view? Is it like faith alone. Trinity once they've always saved no water. Baptist for salvation. So that's basically what I believe. Those are the elements that I also affirm.

All right, and what's your what's your view about repentance? Because people mix up like turning from sin, but I believe repentance is just a change of mind change of heart.

Yeah, but repentance comes from the Greek meant to know at all, which means a change of mind. So it's an attitude. It'll change but we don't repent in order to become Christians. We repent because we're Christians.

Yeah, we don't keep the law to be saved. Repentance is compliance with the law. We recognize lying as sinful. So we repent. We turn from it. It doesn't keep us saved. It doesn't get us saved by applying to the law, but we are supposed to repent from our sins at the same time.

But that's not what saves us.

Yeah, I believe like a true Christian like the true regenerated person should bring work. That's how I see it.

Yeah, they should that's what James 2 is talking about. James 2. Right, not before God. How do you explain people living 400 700 years? No problem. They did because their genetic line was not so impure that They would die early.

Also, there are some experiments that we've been done on. Getting some computer programs I know it's just some computer program but they took pictures of children and adults and older and they were trying to learn in a program to learn how to predict aging and so that they could model things for various Forensic this is and that's and crime this and that some other things and so.

One of the things they did they did was they just projected hey. Well, what happens if you go ahead 200 years 400 years 600 years 800 years and they started looking like Neanderthals. The way the faces grew.

Mm-hmm. Some people look like Neanderthals right now, but you know.

Yeah, part of that is because it was it was discovered within the last century of ticklers That the the forehead and the jaw will extend the more you use more the more you talk or the more you eat the more You grind.

Yeah, it's actually one of the one of the studies were in like Papua New Guinea the Some of the tribes in there in Papua New Guinea use their mouth a lot and to just simply, you know Make tools or eat or talk or and so their jawbone their their jugular there I'm sorry, the their mandibles had become Stronger and the end the muscles would would slide up and down along it causing it to shape take a different shape than ours it will become a more dense and So and your forehead Depending on your ethnicity can grow faster than others depend, you know.

Yeah, go ahead I'll say so. Adam I asked a question about the age thing so there isn't a study decline in age. There is and there isn't but there could be for different reasons and an increase in age because of nutrition but There's a study going on on the human genome that it's called genetic entropy that within There's been a number produced 200 generations.

The heat at the rate of genetic decay that the human genome will no longer be viable and reproduction. It could no longer be possible. Give or take you know, but 200 generations. What I heard go ahead.

What's your question?

Yeah, no, we're just gonna add something to that. There's a Ken Hovind. He has a theory about like before the flood that does the Bible speak about God kind of creating like a water on top of the earth.

So yeah, I thought about bringing it up.

But one of the theories is that the cosmetic cosmic rays Helps shorten the lifespan because before the flood every lived a long time but after the flood lifetime was drastically reduced. Some people think it might be it might be due to The introduction of the cosmic rays Sun or whatever it is that comes in and had an effect on us.

That's one of the theories. Yeah.

Yeah, it's called the ice canopy theory, you know. Yeah, he refers to dr. Brown.

Yeah. Alright, so let's get Melissa's question. Can you please explain a Lutheran position on baptism? It's kind of like ex opera operata. Which means by the doing it is done. When I went to a Lutheran college and I asked about this I was never really able to understand a position exactly but it seems to be that they teach that a baby's regenerated at baptism.

That God promises this regeneration, but it doesn't mean they're going to be eternally secure because people can lose their salvation. Are they going to manifest the Baptismal regeneration that's occurred.

And I disagree with him period. That's what I understood it to be. If there's a Lutheran here who knows better wants to correct me please come on in and do so. No problem. And Vekal hey Vekal. Never driving with you buddy or talking to you at the restaurant and everything teasing that Vekal guy.

It made him laugh a lot.

I wanted to ask What does the Lutheran believe compared to like ever compared to reform. Because I'm reformed so I don't know the difference between like a loop.

Well Lutheranism affirms all the basic doctrines, but it also says that you can lose your salvation and it and It does not affirm limited atonement the way we do. And I don't know about a resistible grace.

But it does not affirm perseverance of the Saints because you can lose your salvation inside of Lutheranism. Well, that's crazy.

Their point of view of losing salvation, they don't believe if you sin you lose your salvation. They believe if you if you stop having faith, it's the moment you lose your salvation. So that's kind of their point of view.

It's kind of yeah, basically you could never lose your salvation.

No, they say you can but you got to work hard at it. You got to really openly deny the truth of God's Word. Yeah.

Which I think the book of Hebrew clearly said that if you're a believer, you cannot be an apostate you cannot leave the faith.

Yeah, it's as impossible as you not being blind, but you saying there is the Sun doesn't exist.

Yeah, and it's like it's like if you leave the faith you were actually never save according to John. Like, you know. It says they went on of us because they were never from us.

No, no. Lutheranism, okay, not a difficult theology. Yeah, but there's different kinds of Lutheranism just like the different kinds of Presbyterianism.

Yeah, well Luther kind of still stick it with some a lot of Catholics doctrine. Like you didn't know he was yeah, they didn't go.

Yeah, Luther didn't go far enough, but he did an incredibly great job. He really did. Yeah.

Yeah, I was watching the I was watching. I don't did any of you ever watch the 2003 Martin Luther. It's called Luther. No.

It's uh, yeah, I do. It's a really good. Yeah, I watched it. I remember the reason I remember is because. That night I started getting a pain in my side. Okay, and it ended up being my gallbladder dying and I had to go into emergency surgery the next day.

Oh. Yeah, so. Yeah, so remember that Luther it came out about that time. Funny how you we remember things, right? All right. That was then that was right before no right after my alien abduction, you know, the fourth one that year so it was it was tough.

Joking around Store to go. How you doing? How you doing? This is so polite. So I'll give him weird answers. I'll go. Except for that, you know, I was abducted by an alien last week. I just haven't learned how to walk properly since and they'll go.

Yeah, right, right. Yeah, let's go. Oh you are listening.

It's a lot of fun Matt. How do you explain like Joshua 1013 because a lot of people like how do I watch how do you explain? Joshua 1013 from the Bible. Joshua 1013. Yeah, cuz people like this is probably gonna look at it.

But they use that for first thing they're at this flat. The Sun stood still and motion stopped. If you go to karm, mm-hmm. Let's see. Sun stood still. I did some article on this a while back and There's different theories that have been offered.

One is poetic citation not meant to be literal. So it could be poetic and Then I have a reason for that and I go through that. I should read this again and become familiar with it. To it wasn't literal that the Sun stopped but that it didn't go down until the battle was won.

That's what another one. It could be a solar eclipse doesn't seem to be that. The earth wobbled on its rotation and there seems to be some information that supports that. Because there's a an axial tilt.

Change the Sun appeared to stop but only for Israel is one theory the Sun actually stopped or the earth stopped its rotation which seems to be problematic, but God could do it and there are records of long days and other cultures the G was to have a long night without any light the Well on dot Indians told missionaries of a long night, etc.

So you can check it out. Yeah.

Go ahead. Yeah, I was actually in reference to that I've it's yet gone since gone cold my the trail where I was trying to find it, but Back around the early 2000s. It was leaked in the scientific community that they were they had discovered a slight like Thousandth of a second was often in all planets alignment.

That would wear the word according to or Contrary to the orbits around the Sun and they and they couldn't explain it in a roughly about an hour. So People like it could lead give credence to Joshua chapter 10.

But again again that way like I said, it's like a it's like a cold case file. I couldn't find it again.

Yeah, there's so many things I read over the years. It's like where was that? I don't remember it. I don't know where it is. So, you know, it's yeah.

Are you are you pre-trib or post-trib post?

So post is like after 3 .5 year, right. That's mid-trib after seven years. Relation period to go through it. Okay. Yeah.

Like what's your view like on the pre-trib? Like is there like I?

Don't believe in pre-trib rapture. I Don't think it's biblical. I don't see any evidence for it myself pre-trib West rapture. What is that? That before the seven-year tribulation period the church is caught up into the clouds per first Thessalonians 4 16 to 25 verse 2 called the rapture and they're caught up and it happens before the seven-year tribulation.

I believe that it happens after the tribulation and at the wicked are taken before the Christians. So whenever okay, so the great the seven-year tribulation the worst time we're known to man. Christ is not going to take us beforehand.

Okay, I'm sorry what I'd respond to somebody good so so I said I asked so during the or during the seven-year tribulation Christ is not going to take us beforehand. He's gonna take us after that's what I believe.

Okay, it's gonna get bad. I think it real bad. It's gonna get real bad. No, I joke about the leftist wacko moron people in control. You know. For example, the fact that the election is fraudulent in a lot of areas the leftist media wants nothing to do with exposing it.

They're not into truth. They're into agenda whenever anybody sacrifices truth for an agenda. Then corruption follows with corruption comes oppression. So this is just how it's going to work and the Christians are going to become more oppressed because we're the ones are going to Stand up and say no.

Plus when they become that corrupt and they start requiring things Of the populace as a thing to be in control because corruption requires control and Control is done through usually into intimidation.

And so then what they'll do is start oppressing people you can lose your job if you don't affirm homosexuality. For example, you don't bake that cake for the LGBTQ community. Well, then you can't use the banking now.

You can now be on the street. So they're oppressive. They're intolerant. So this is what I believe and it's going to happen worse and worse. My wife and I are talking about different places to move to to escape population or the persecution in America if it were to happen.

No, you know we're doing it, you know, we're not gonna really probably ever do anything but the idea is look at this look at that look at this where can we go and We're looking at different places, you know, just entertainment.

I honestly didn't know this. I mean you said you just believed it right. Believe what? We're not gonna take it before the can we go through it it's gonna be bad. I believe we go through it, okay I Believe we are going to go through the tribulation and you know.

There's no Bible verse you get to you what go to karm and look up to age. Two ages and you'll see a big chart two ages in support of all millennialism. Go through that lay it out and see what you think.

Okay. So to age like the number two in that age. Look what Melissa says here get two ages in support of all millennialism and you'll find the article. So whoops missed it. So Melissa says I don't understand how they can believe in the flat earth.

They were chatting in there a little bit. Yeah, I believe like flat earth or trolls.

Actually, I spent a good portion of two years arguing with Flat earthers and I have a lot of material and they usually go to Isaiah chapter. What was it? 2040 to 20. Yeah you know God, you know God said it's a pun a pun or above the circle of the earth and You know, like I could quickly use the the Hebrew Shug or Hugh.

Some people use the C or some people use the H Hugh CHUG mean could mean a circumference a compass the horizon A to be surrounded but it never actually means a disc or a literal circle it never actually means that it never even means sphere because in because the.

The word in Hebrew sphere is dir. And there is actually a word for a disc in Hebrew and neither of them. Neither of them are used and so God is actually so if you're taking the word Hugh as literal a literal literal disc that God is sitting upon then God must have a physical a physical Appearance that he is sitting upon it.

He has to have a posterior to bend. You know, it sounds funny. But you know you take a little you picture in your mind Isaiah is walking out of his house or his tent and he's like he's like he's writing poetically like the Lord sits upon he's looking at this giant posterior coming down to.

They don't end but the and then the flat earthers will go to well, you know, there's the four corner four four corners of the earth. Well, if the earth is a disc, there's no corner.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And We've never seen them. A circle does not even exist like there's no such thing as a circle if there's like thickness. It's not a circle anymore.