January 22, 2021 Show with Dr. Jason M. Garwood on “Health for All of Life: A Medical Manifesto of Hope & Healing for the Nations”

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And I am thrilled to have for the very first time ever on this program Dr. Jason M. Garwood. He is teaching pastor at Cross and Crown Church in Northern Virginia. He's a writer, an activist, and professor at Cross and Crown Seminary.

Today we are addressing his book, Health for All of Life, a medical manifesto of hope, healing for the nations. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Jason M. Garwood.

Thank you, Chris.

The honor is definitely mine. I appreciate you taking the time, and I'm excited about our conversation today.

Why don't you, before we go into our discussion, let our listeners know something about Cross and Crown Church and Cross and Crown Seminary.

Sure. Cross and Crown Church, we planted that church in Northern Virginia. We were about Columbia, Washington, D .C. Sometimes we planted our, originally from Michigan, but we came here after pastoring in Michigan seven years, and we wanted this region.

Of course, Northern Virginia is very much in need of a lot of young families, and given the word.

In fact, I know that we have listeners in the Czech Republic, so maybe some of them are listening today. We're describing the church. If you could give us a little bit more detail and summary for them about the theological perspective of Crown and Covenant Church and Seminary.

That camp believes that the gospel is supposed to go into the world, and so we want to see. I'm posting to Millennialist this week on the show, maybe.

Yeah, at least.

Some of these ideas that are learning more about Reformed theology and what that looks like. We are a part of a network of churches spurring one another on and encouraging.

Well, I'm glad to know if I ever am in your area and pay a visit to your congregation on the Lord's Day. I'm glad, being a Reformed Baptist, that I will not be barred from your Lord's Supper celebration.

Yeah, well, it's also an agape feast, too, so we eat well together, and so we spend several hours.

Great. Well, my friends at Hope Reformed Baptist Church in Coram, Long Island, do the same thing. They have their morning service and the Lord's Supper, and then immediately following, they have a feast, and then when the feast's over, they have their afternoon service.

Oh, wonderful.

But once again, if anybody wants to find out more about Cross and Crown Church in Northern Virginia, go to crosscrownchurch .com, crosscrownchurch .com, and hopefully we'll remember to repeat that information later on in the program.

Salvation Testimony and Early Christian Formation

Before we go into a discussion on your book, Health for All of Life, a medical manifesto of hope and healing for the nations, which is our theme today, since you are a first-time guest on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, we have a tradition here.

Whenever possible, sometimes we have multiple guests on one show, and we don't have time to do this with first-time guests, necessarily, but the vast majority of time, when we have a first-time guest, our tradition is to have that guest give a testimony, a summary of their salvation testimony, which would include the kind of religious atmosphere in which you were raised, if any, and the providential circumstances that our Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to Himself and saved you.

So, if you could begin.

I don't have a ton of bells and whistles on my salvation. ...church, and sort of knocked down. Really, from then on, just sort of navigating sanctification, navigating life, navigating a calling. So, born and raised in the church, and always really just appreciated the gospel and what Jesus had done for me.

I knew deeply, covered by His direction, emphasized every Easter faithfully, but just really impressed a lot in my mind and my heart, and it really stuck there for a long, long time. And, of course, the Holy Spirit providentially guiding me and directing me into the Sovereign Plan of the Lord.

And when I was about 18 years old, I was serving with our church at the Toledo Rescue Mission in Toledo, Ohio, and was sitting there listening to my pastor preach, and I sort of just jolted in my seat.

Don't know entirely what to think of that, other than in that moment, I felt not really, throughout high school, not really wanting to read books. Books, and then, of course, from then on, I just couldn't stop.

I wanted to read more and more and more. An undergraduate degree at what's now Cairn University.

Yeah, I've interviewed some of the faculty at Cairn.

Yeah, yep. Of course, it used to be, before that, Philadelphia College of the Bible, back in the day. Right. They'd gone through some name changes. Been trying to get grounded, trying to, for seven years, and then came here to Northern Virginia.

From Dispensationalism to Reformed Theology

And how did you discover, fall in love with, and embrace the doctrines of Sovereign Grace, otherwise known as Reformed Theology and Calvinism?

Sure. In fact, I probably should have mentioned this earlier. I didn't read something. I don't know the extent of those teachings. I definitely grew up a Distanciationalist. Sort of knew that.

We were such a... I guess you were scared of not being.

Caught up in the Rapture. You know what? I'm not sure if it was that, as much as it just seemed like these movies portrayed unending chaos on the earth.

Right, right. Because they're pre-Trib. Yeah, it was a pre-Trib Distanciationalism.

And of course, there are still... Oh, yeah. John MacArthur is still a great hero of mine. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Growing up, and a man in college listening to John Piper, X -1 to 9 Network. And so, that's really when I began to understand Reformed Theology, the doctrines of grace.

Got so growing up, and not really knowing what it was. Because that's biblical. It is by grace, through the grace of God.

Well, it's good to hear that you went from young, restless, and Reformed, to old, grumpy, and settled in your ways. Yeah, exactly. And I also was very glad to hear that you did not describe Jesus as being too much of a gentleman, to burst through the door of your heart.

Yes. Well, I said that recently in a sermon.

I think we just, you know, that picture of him kindly knocking, and begging us to release him.

He's more like a swat man. And of course, the caricature that is hurled at us by non-Reformed folks, is that we believe that Jesus forces us against our will, and drags us kicking and screaming to heaven.

Obviously, that's absurd. No Calvinist believes that. He gives us a new heart, and makes us willing. So, we are very much willing and enthusiastic when we are given a new heart to follow him. Because no one can please God in the flesh.

And if we're still in the flesh, then we can't even please him by offering him a faith that saves us. So, that's why we need to receive a heart transplant from him.

Yeah, if the dead heart functioned the way it was supposed to do.

Vaccination, Religious Liberty, and Informed Consent in Virginia

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And I could understand subjects that we will be covering today might lend themselves to people wanting to remain anonymous. We are going to be addressing the vaccine issue, which has sharply divided even the body of Christ in our day and age, even sharply divided those that are conservative and even reformed, just as the mask mandates and the social distancing and all these other things have divided the body of Christ, even sometimes within the same congregation, which is truly a tragedy.

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But if it's just a general question, please give us your first name, your city and state and country of residence. Before we actually go into the book, there's one other thing I wanted to address with you.

You gave testimony to the Virginia Senate Committee on Health and Education on the issue of religious freedom and vaccination. If you could tell us about that.

Yeah, sure. That happened this week. Right now, there's a lot of debate is the health commissioner here in Virginia. And last year, he made a statement that really sent shockwaves through our state. And that being that he wants to mandate the vaccine.

And right now, under Virginia law, according, there really isn't a safeguard for this issue with regard to religious freedom. At the moment, during a pandemic and during an emergency, apparently the executive branch can, as I understand it, authorize the Virginia Department of Health to mandate a vaccine.

And if you refuse it, you can have a misdemeanor and be fine. No one is, as far as I know, actually doing that right now. They're not finding anyone or locking anyone up. There really isn't any religious freedom protection here.

So I'm connected with the Virginia Freedom Keepers and some other folks who are really pushing on this issue to make sure that things like informed consent stay in the law, in the code of Virginia. And there were two bills, SB 1116 and SB 1117 here in Virginia, that were billed.

We need to make sure in Virginia law that people, and really issued in a necessity of, and it's not their job to force anyone to put any sort of substance into their bodies, cut it down immediately. But right now, we're really trying to make sure that people have a free decision.

If they have the freedom to decide.

You know, it's interesting how prior to the election of Joe Biden, and I use that term loosely, election, but when this was just considered a victory, this vaccine, I should say, or the development of these vaccines, plural, when it was considered a victory for President Trump, you had all of these major leftists in authority or running for office saying, I'm not going to touch that vaccine.

There's no way that I'm going to have that injected into my body with Donald Trump being the one that's promoting it. No way, et cetera, et cetera. And now, you're going to have leftists, right and left, likely all over the United States trying to get these vaccinations mandated against our wills or against the wills of many.

And it's also an interesting thing, as I said earlier, that you have amongst the most conservative of Christians and just conservative secularists as well who are divided over this. You have those that especially before the election of Joe Biden were gung-ho enthusiastic about the vaccines because they attributed it to a victory of Donald Trump.

And since they enthusiastically and zealously supported Donald Trump, they were all gung-ho to be first in line to get jabbed with the vaccine. Oh, I can't wait. I hope that I am among those that first get this.

I am going to volunteer to get this right away, blah, blah, blah. But you also have always had, as long as I've been a Christian, an element, a segment, a percentage of conservative folks and perhaps even especially Christians who have been very leery, very apprehensive, if not just totally opposed, vehemently opposed to vaccinations and especially mandated vaccinations.

And if you could give me and our listeners more of the reasons why not only are you opposed to the mandate, of course, but why you believe others should embrace that opinion as well.

Yeah, it's a difficult line to walk because on the one hand, you know, you do have people that say, well, you know, you're leery as well, which states that, you know, the germs and the viruses that you have, Paul say in Rome, strenuously, inherently harmful.

You could label me an anti-vaxxer if you want. I do think people should have the choice. Absolute issues of liability with Reagan signing the act in 1986. You can't sue the on the market that there's zero liability for.

And in terms of biblical law, that's a problem. God very much cares about liability and restitution and restoration. So that's another issue with it. And then the other issue is just simply the contents of these things.

These adjuvants that are in there, like aluminum and all these and mercury, essentially, and these things essentially suppress your cell mediated immune response. And they trigger and then you have 59 children have autism.

Oh, negatively. Well, part of the problem, I have a problem with it.

And in fact, we have John and Bangor Maine, who has a question already about this issue. John Bangor Maine says, I just tuned in. So please forgive me if you've already said this. But are you aware of whether or not these vaccines being promoted for the coronavirus have involved a fetal tissue?

OK, yes, this is a big debate. I want to point people to know to know to seven people. Joe Joe Carter from the Gospel Coalition. And I believe Albert Mueller had said this. I'd want to double check the brother, but saying that, well, and I just think that flies in the face of Paul's admonition, as I mentioned earlier.

So they are used in the development of them. More information on that website. But I would point research and the information is out there. I'm cognizant of that, especially because I do believe the vaccine industry is.

Yes. By the way, just out of curiosity, for those of that you are aware of that are advocates, Christians, pro-life Christians who are advocates of using human stem cells for things like this from aborted infants or murdered infants is a better phrase.

Do you know of any responses that are given to the charge against them that they are helping to fuel an industry which will further ensure that abortion mills never shut their doors and that that the the slaughter, the genocide of unborn children will surely continue when we continue to use the stem cells from murdered infants and take advantage of their tissues for other reasons?

Or any response by a pro-life Christian who advocates for the very reasons that you were just saying a couple of well-known figures that are pro-life were saying, well, since the baby's already murdered, we can take advantage of benefiting the rest of humanity with their little bodies and the tissues they provide.

Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't know of any other. Those were the two big names that I for Virginia. But you've never heard what you've never heard.

But others have said, I'm saying, you know, in response.

OK, yeah, not a lot. I mean, there are people who are defending it and saying things like we have to go to.

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Returning to the Discussion on Health, Diet, and the Book

We are now back with our discussion with Dr. Jason M. Garwood, who is a teaching pastor at Cross and Crown Church in Northern Virginia. He's a writer, an activist, and professor at Cross and Crown Seminary.

We are discussing his book, or we will be very soon, Health for All of Life, a Medical Manifesto of Hope and Healing for the Nations. If you have a question, our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

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We have a first-time questioner in our audience, Jay from Vestavia Hills, Alabama. And I'm wondering if Jay knows the founder of Solid-Ground-Books .com, Mike Gaydosh, my very dear friend and my first pastor as a born-again believer, because he, until very recently, lived in Vestavia Hills, Alabama.

He relocated to Port St. Lucie, Florida, but I have been in Vestavia Hills myself and I have a dear friend in Birmingham, or should I say Birmingham? I pronounced it the English way. But my friend Roger Salter is the rector at St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, a very Reformed and confessional church.

But Jay asks, these are more pastoral accountability-focused questions. As someone who lives in the South, it's hard to talk about these things because most pulpits are filled with pastors who aren't even taking care of themselves the best, especially in regard to diet.

Number one, with a focus on living a healthier life, how can pastors and those who work in the ministry, teaching, discipleship, etc., help make gluttony a more important issue to deal with when culture views that as body-shaming?

Dr. Garwood?

Yeah, sure. Great question. One thing I would say, kind of at the very beginning here, is to come with regard to the break. Then immersed in a government-controlled, big pharma sort of situation, the 1910 Flexner Report really changed everything.

And homeopathy, naturalistic-type approaches to medicine, really, and John Hopkins, the more natural-minded approach in the way in the discussion, patiently exhorting people and trying to encourage them, perhaps even passing a book on those things, are helpful to try and encourage people to perhaps think about it differently.

Think about it from that God is the Creator. He fashioned us in His image, that we aren't just, and we can't wait to get away. It's a neoplatonist view. The book of Matthew, chapter 9, verse 5, he says, which is easier, to say, your sins are forgiven, or say, rise and walk?

Just say, make sure that they knew that not only forgive the sins, but he tells them, rise and pick up your bed. Giving people those presuppositions, giving people a bigger view of the kingdom and restoring and healing the nations.

Gently, but pastorally, and how helpful.

And of course, we have to be very careful not to slander folks who happen to be overweight, because not everyone who's overweight is a glutton. There are people who may have been gluttons in their past, and who have, as Christians, really had a battle to lose weight, and they're finding it impossible.

Perhaps they're under strict guidelines on how they can exercise. And I know people that would be considered morbidly obese, that eat like birds. Some of them were gluttons before, and I'm not saying that every case of a person being overweight, they're a glutton either, because I know that there are hereditary factors.

But we have to be careful about making assumptions about people, and perhaps even especially if they're in leadership, that they are an active glutton right now. That's one of the things about the sin of gluttony, is that I chuckle sometimes when I hear the term, over-eaters anonymous, because you can't exactly remain anonymous when you're an over-eater.

It's something that you see visibly. There are many other sins that people can keep in private in the darkness of their closets and shut doors and so on. But that has a manifestation that's visible to all, and unfortunately, innocent people are broad-brushed with those that are truly guilty of that sin.

Would you agree with what I'm saying here?

Absolutely. And it's not even just the definitional understanding of greece can really hurt. I blew my knee out in high school. We're trying to run five million at blood flow. My family and my three kiddos to the mountains here.

Things like that, that we try to do just to keep moving. So it's never just one particular thing. It could be a combination of things for people. But yeah, generally.

In fact, one of the dangers of bodybuilding is that there are people that are incredibly healthy and fit and huge in a muscular way, but something happens in their lives where they stop working out and they become heavyset, and it really has nothing to do with gluttony.

But anyway, Jay has a second question, and I can't help but chuckle when I read it, and I don't mean any offense to you, Jay. What does a healthy post-mill life look like in regards to eating and exercising?

I think that would be probably a good name for a cereal. Post-mill, right? Post-mill toasties.

Yeah, I guess you have general mills.

And I guess that's why I thought of that.

Yeah, yeah. I think that's what you were thinking. That's what I was thinking. I gave a different perspective. I think a healthy post-mill, we believe in the gospel, the nations, they will be disciples.

I think you could get behind this. Whether you're a mill or pre-mill, whatever camp you're in, just this idea of, you know, our bodies are not our own. We serve another. Dominion of the world, the servanthood dominion and discipling the nations, and sort of on the edge of the D .C. filth, if you will.

Hey, Christ. That's what the Grace Commission... Part of that is bringing healing and bringing hope to people, and not just... Find out and point you to a... And you point them to the website. That's where the book came from.

And educate them on...

I just thought of a slogan for post-mill cereal. It's, you may live a long time, and the rapture isn't right around the corner. So eat healthy for many years to come.

Well, I will say this, though, Chris. I'm not sure that...

Well, I guess somebody could create one that's healthy.

Yeah.

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