January 22, 2021 Show with Dr. Jason M. Garwood on “Health for All of Life: A Medical Manifesto of Hope & Healing for the Nations”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Friday on this 22nd day of January, 2021, and I am thrilled to have for the very first time ever on this program

Dr. Jason M. Garwood. He is teaching pastor at Cross and Crown Church in Northern Virginia.

He's a writer, an activist, and professor at Cross and Crown Seminary. Today we are addressing his book,

Health for All of Life, a Medical Manifesto of Hope Healing for the Nations, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr.

Jason M. Garwood. Thank you, Chris. The honor is definitely mine. I appreciate you taking the time, and I'm excited about our conversation today.

Why don't you, before we go into our discussion, let our listeners know something about Cross and Crown Church and Cross and Crown Seminary.

Sure. At Cross and Crown Church, we planted that church in Northern Virginia. We were about 40 miles west of the

District of Columbia, Washington, D .C. Sometimes we affectionately refer to it as Babylon.

And we planted our roots here, and I'm originally from Michigan, but we came here after pastoring in Michigan seven years, and we wanted to set up shop in Northern Virginia and see the gospel of Christ's kingdom infiltrate this region.

And of course, Northern Virginia is very much in need of Christ and his gospel, and so that was part of our effort here.

A small group of us, we're a smaller house church, currently looking for a place to meet, and perhaps maybe a listener will know of somewhere.

But we have several families, a lot of young families, and we are really promoting the comprehensive gospel, all of Christ for all of life sort of mantra, that's what we like to say.

And you mentioned, Chris, the seminary. The seminary I really developed a couple of years ago to simply try to provide something that's not only cost -effective, but perhaps a little more directed.

Seminary and education at large tends to be more expensive and getting more expensive, especially with government funding being involved and so on.

And I really just wanted to kind of bring that back to the local church and offer discipleship and mentorship aspect to the seminary education, and so we developed several modules of learning and then trying to encourage people to get in the

Word, to read good books, and to see what it is God may want them to do with their individual purpose and calling for the kingdom of God.

So that's why we really started the program. And our first graduate was actually from the Czech Republic, so that was at the end of last year.

Wow. In fact, I know that we have listeners in the Czech Republic. So maybe some of them are listening today.

You were describing the church, if you could, give us a little bit more detail in summary form about the theological perspective of Crown and Covenant Church and seminary.

Yeah. At Cross and Crown, we are pretty much functionally Presbyterian. I'm Reformed Presbyterian confessionally, with a few exceptions in the

Lessons for Confession, or perhaps maybe things I would state differently, but our church, mostly

Presbyterian. We definitely are more of, like, the CREC flavor.

We would not bar anyone who's a Baptist from taking communion, that sort of thing, theologically.

We're in that camp. And, of course, for us, we do believe that the Gospel is supposed to go into the world, and so we want to see that take place in every area of life, self -government, family government, church government, and, of course, even civil government, eschatologically.

I'm post -mill, so I think I'll be your second post -millennialist this week on the show, maybe.

Yeah, at least. Yeah. But, yeah, that's kind of where we're at. A lot of our doctrinal information we put on our website, crosscrownchurch .com.

That's basically sort of a flavor, a genre, if you will, of where we're at. We have some folks who really aren't

Reformed, who are learning, are new to some of these ideas, that are learning more about Reformed theology and what that looks like.

We are a part of a network of churches, the FCRC, the Fellowship of Christian Reconstructionist Churches.

We have some missionaries in places all over the world, and a network of churches for accountability, for spurring one another on, and encouragement, and trying to see

Christ honored in the world. Well, I'm glad to know if I ever am in your area and pay a visit to your congregation on the

Lord's Day. I'm glad, being a Reformed Baptist, that I will not be barred from your Lord's Supper celebration.

Well, it's also an agape feast, too, so we eat well together and celebrate the risen

Christ each week together. We spend several hours together on a Sunday, actually, fellowshipping and strategizing, and we would love to have you.

We're not too far from you, though. You would be definitely welcome to come and visit. Great.

Well, my friends at Hope Reformed Baptist Church in Coram, Long Island, do the same thing.

They have their morning service and the Lord's Supper, and then immediately following, they have a feast, and then when the feast's over, they have their afternoon service.

Oh, wonderful. But, once again, if anybody wants to find out more about Cross and Crown Church in Northern Virginia, go to crosscrownchurch .com,

crosscrownchurch .com, and hopefully we'll remember to repeat that information later on in the program.

Before we go into a discussion on your book, Health for All of Life, a

Medical Manifesto of Hope and Healing for the Nations, which is our theme today, since you are a first -time guest on Iron Trip and Zion Radio, we have a tradition here, whenever possible, sometimes we have multiple guests on one show, and we don't have time to do this with first -time guests, necessarily, but the vast majority of time, when we have a first -time guest, our tradition is to have that guest give a testimony, a summary of their salvation testimony, which would include the kind of religious atmosphere in which you were raised, if any, and the providential circumstances that our

Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to Himself and saved you. So, if you could begin.

Sure, absolutely. I don't have a ton of bells and whistles on my salvation story. I grew up in Southern Michigan in a small, non -denominational church,

Seneca Community Church, and I was raised there from birth onwards.

My parents are Christians. I was at every VBS possible. I love dressing up as King David for Halloween.

That's just some fond memories that I have of that church. But I was taught to love

Jesus, to love the Lord. I don't know that there was ever a time where I had asked

Jesus into my heart. I think He just sort of knocked down the door and took me, and I think that was just the power of His grace in what

He does in our lives. I grew up, I was baptized at about 10 years old, and really from then on, just sort of navigating sanctification, navigating life, navigating a calling.

So, born and raised in the church, and always really just appreciated the Gospel and what

Jesus had done for me. I knew deeply that He had died for my sins, that my sins were covered by His blood.

The cross and the resurrection emphasized every Easter faithfully by my pastor growing up.

It just really impressed a lot in my mind and my heart, and it really stuck there for a long, long time.

And of course, the Holy Spirit providentially guided me and directed me into the sovereign plan of the

Lord. And when I was about 18 years old, I was serving with our church at the

Toledo Rescue Mission in Toledo, Ohio, and was sitting there listening to my pastor preach, and I sort of just jolted in my seat.

I don't know entirely what to think of that, other than in that moment, I felt a burning desire to preach the

Gospel. And at 18, not really, throughout high school, not really wanting to read books, started to read theology books, and then, of course, from then on,

I just couldn't stop. I wanted to read more and more and more. And I just felt that desire to preach the

Gospel, to be in God's Word. And so from then on, at about the age of 18,

I really began that journey, going to college and finishing up my Bible.

I have an undergraduate degree at what's now Cairn University. It was Philadelphia Biblical University. Oh yeah,

I've interviewed some of the faculty at Cairn. Yeah, yep. And, of course, it used to be, before that,

Philadelphia College of the Bible, back in the day. Right. And I've gone through some name changes. But I ended up out there at a biblical seminary and met my wife, and so really just pursuing education, trying to get grounded, trying to navigate what it is

God has called me to do. And from then on, we ended up pastoring a church in Michigan for seven years, and then came here to Northern Virginia.

And how did you discover, fall in love with, and embrace the doctrines of Sovereign Grace, otherwise known as Reformed Theology and Calvinism?

Sure. In fact, I probably should have mentioned this earlier. I didn't really know the name Calvin or Reformed Theology.

That phrase was not something I knew growing up. I don't know the extent of those teachings.

I definitely grew up a Distanciationalist, so I was scared of the

Rapture. I'd seen some of those movies and sort of knew that we were supposed to just wait for the

Rapture to come. I guess you were scared of not being caught up in the Rapture. You know what? I'm not sure if it was that, as much as it just seemed like these movies portrayed unending chaos on the earth.

Right, right. Because they're pre -Trib. Yeah, it was a pre -Trib Distanciationalism.

Of course, there are still folks at that church that I love. My parents are still there. They've been there for 50 years.

John MacArthur is still a great hero of mine. Yeah, absolutely. I appreciate very much, though, growing up in that environment, despite the fact that I'm not in that camp particularly.

But I definitely appreciate the fact that my pastor growing up, and a man named

Keith, he's still at that church, who saw me and invested in me and helped me preach my first sermon, which

I have on DVD, but it'll never see the light of day. But that environment, though, of course,

I was burned on toward my early days in college listening to John Piper, of course,

Mark Driscoll, and that new, young, restless Reform Movement. I was caught up in that early on with Acts 29, the

Acts 29 Network. So that's really when I began to understand Reformed theology, the doctrines of grace,

God's sovereignty, and these things. And so that was a big change for me, though, growing up and not really knowing what it was to then believing, wow, these truths are very biblical.

It is by grace through faith, and it's a gift, and it's of God. And those were life -changing moments for me during college.

Well, it's good to hear that you went from young, restless, and Reformed to old, grumpy, and settled in your ways.

Yeah, exactly. And I also was very glad to hear that you did not describe

Jesus as being too much of a gentleman to burst through the door of your heart.

Yes. Well, I said that recently in a sermon. I think that picture of him kindly knocking and begging us to really just let him in, and he's more like a

SWAT team busting through a door. That's more what grace looks like, I think. Amen. And of course, the caricature that is hurled at us by non -Reformed folks is that we believe that Jesus forces us against our will and drags us kicking and screaming to heaven.

Obviously, that's absurd. No Calvinist believes that. He gives us a new heart and makes us willing.

So, we are very much willing and enthusiastic when we are given a new heart to follow him, because no one can please

God in the flesh. And if we're still in the flesh, then we can't even please him by offering him a faith that saves us.

So, that's why we need to receive a heart transplant from him. If the dead heart functioned the way it was supposed to do, we wouldn't need to do one.

Amen. Well, I'm going to give our email address out for those of our listeners who would like to join us on the air with a question for Dr.

Jason M. Garwood. Our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com,

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USA. Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

And I could understand subjects that we will be covering today might lend themselves to people wanting to remain anonymous.

We are going to be addressing the vaccine issue, which is sharply divided, even the body of Christ in our day and age, even sharply divided those that are conservative and even

Reformed just as the mask mandates and the social distancing and all these other things have divided the body of Christ, even sometimes within the same congregation, which is truly a tragedy.

So, if your question compels you to remain anonymous for some reason because it's personal and private or relates to something that will get you in hot water, perhaps with your church or with your family, we understand that you could remain anonymous or that you would want to remain anonymous.

But if it's just a general question, please give us your first name, your city and state and country of residence. Before we actually go into the book, there's one other thing

I wanted to address with you. You gave testimony to the

Virginia Senate Committee on Health and Education on the issue of religious freedom and vaccination.

If you could tell us about that. Yeah, sure. That happened this week. Right now, there's a lot of debate going on with regard to the coronavirus vaccine that's being discussed in a lot of different places.

Of course, those who are in the public school system are required by Virginia law to be up to speed on the schedule.

And that schedule is, of course, in concert with the CDC guidelines. And the debate has to do with the new

COVID vaccine, the coronavirus vaccine. Are you supposed to get that? And there's a big discussion with putting that on the schedule and making sure that kids get it, so on and so forth.

But there's another layer to the issue that's concerning. Dr. Norman Oliver, who, as far as I know, does not love the

Lord, is the health commissioner here in Virginia. And last year, he made a statement that really sent shockwaves through our state.

And that being that he wants to mandate the vaccine. And right now, under Virginia law, there really isn't a safeguard for this issue with regard to religious freedom.

At the moment, during a pandemic and during an emergency, apparently the executive branch can, as I understand it, authorize the

Virginia Department of Health to mandate a vaccine. And if you refuse it, you can have a misdemeanor and be fined.

Now, no one is, as far as I know, actually doing that right now. They're not fining anyone or locking anyone up or issuing these citations and so forth.

But there really isn't any religious freedom protection here. So, I'm connected with the

Virginia Freedom Keepers and some other folks who are really pushing on this issue to make sure that things like informed consent stay in the law, in the code of Virginia.

And there were two bills, SB 1116 and SB 1117 here in Virginia, that were being discussed.

And both bills, though similar, one was more broad than the other, they were trying to emphasize that, look, in the code, we need to make sure in Virginia law that people have the right for what you might call a conscientious objection to the vaccine, a religious exemption.

So, I, the subcommittee, was meeting on Tuesday of this week, and I called in as a testimony and a witness, and really issued a very strong statement on that, and the necessity of the civil magistrates to protect freedom.

And it's not their job to force anyone to put any sort of substance into their bodies. And that, of course, that bill was disparaged, and Thursday morning, yesterday, it went to the full committee, and they shot it down immediately.

I was queued up, ready to speak again for public comment, and they did not allow it, and the bills then were killed there in the committee.

So, it's a very sad, very sad thing. There's some bills in the House that we're trying to get going through, but right now, we're really trying to make sure that people have a free decision, if they have the freedom to decide if they want the vaccine or not.

Wow. You know, it's interesting how, prior to the election of Joe Biden, and I use that term loosely, election, but when this was just considered a victory, this vaccine,

I should say, or the development of these vaccines, plural, when it was considered a victory for President Trump, you had all of these major leftists in authority, or running for office, saying,

I'm not going to touch that vaccine. There's no way that I'm going to have that injected into my body, with Donald Trump being the one that's promoting it.

No way, et cetera, et cetera. And now, you're going to have leftists, right and left, likely all over the

United States, trying to get these vaccinations mandated against our wills, or against the wills of many.

And it's also an interesting thing, as I said earlier, that you have, amongst the most conservative of Christians, and just conservative secularists as well, who are divided over this, you have those that, especially before the election of Joe Biden, were gung -ho enthusiastic about the vaccines, because they attributed it to a victory of Donald Trump, and since they enthusiastically and zealously supported

Donald Trump, they were all gung -ho to be first in line to get jabbed with the vaccine.

Oh, I can't wait. I hope that I am among those that first get this. I am going to volunteer to get this right away, blah, blah, blah.

But you also have always had, as long as I've been a Christian, an element, a segment, a percentage of conservative folks, and perhaps even especially

Christians, who have been very leery, very apprehensive, if not just totally opposed, vehemently opposed to vaccinations, and especially mandated vaccinations.

And if you could give me and our listeners more of the reasons why not only are you opposed to the mandate, of course, but why you believe others should embrace that opinion as well.

Yeah, it's a difficult line to walk, because on the one hand, you know, you do have people that would like to say, sort of almost play the neutral game and say, well, you know, you have a choice.

Well, I think you should have the choice, absolutely. But I tend to have a huge red flag with vaccination on several different grounds.

One, of course, being, as I describe in the book, this issue of a natural approach to life, the presuppositions of what you might call the terrain theory.

And then, of course, you have the germ theory as well, which states that the germs and the viruses and the pathogens and all these other free radicals, if you will, will come into your body and they cause harm, so the goal is to get them out of there.

And so I just don't subscribe to the presuppositions of the general allopathic, modern, sort of conventional medicine as it is now.

So on the flip side, of course, you have Paul saying in Romans, shall we do good, shall we do evil, that good may come.

And he, you know, strenuously says, no way. That is not something we should be doing.

And I believe that vaccines are inherently harmful. I am, you could label me an anti -vaxxer if you want.

I do think people should have the choice, absolutely. You have issues of liability.

With Reagan signing the act in 1986, you can't sue these companies. So they have a product on the market that there's zero liability for.

And in terms of biblical law, that's a problem. God very much cares about liability and restitution and restoration.

So that's another issue with it. And then the other issue is just simply the contents of these things, these adjuvants that are in there, like aluminum.

Polysorbate 80 and mercury, essentially. And these things essentially suppress your cell -mediated immune response.

And they trigger your rear guard, which you call the humoral system. And then you have a body that is confused about what's going on.

And so essentially that's where autoimmune diseases come into play. One in 59 children have autism, and no one seems to be raising the flag.

Where is this coming from? Why is it continuing to grow negatively? Well, part of the problem,

I believe, is vaccines are the issue. And so I have a theological problem with it, a philosophical problem with it, and I would argue a scientific problem with it, too.

And I'm, of course, not the only one who would suggest that. And, in fact, we have

John in Bangor, Maine, who has a question already about this issue.

John in Bangor, Maine, says, I just tuned in, so please forgive me if you've already said this, but are you aware of whether or not these vaccines being promoted for the coronavirus have involved fetal tissue?

Okay, yes, this is a big debate. I want to point people to the website, knowdeception .org,

and that's knowdeception .org, and that's a ministry that myself and my friend Ginger, she's actually up in Maine, we've kind of put together to awaken the church to the issues here, especially the moral issue of aborted fetal cell

DNA and cellular debris that's put into these vaccines. These COVID vaccines, in their research and development, do use a spike protein from the

HEK293 cell line, and that is an aborted fetal cell line. And you have some people,

Joe Carter from the Gospel Coalition, and I believe Albert Moeller had said this. I'd want to double -check, though,

I don't want to bear false witness against a brother, but some of these folks are suggesting that, well, the abortion's already done, maybe we can use some benefit from it.

And I just think that flies in the face of Paul's admonition, as I mentioned earlier. So they are used in the development of them, and the research aspect of them.

And there, of course, is more information on that website, but I would point, John, I believe you said was his name, to that website to do more research.

And the information is out there, and we need to be cognizant of that, especially because I do believe very much that the vaccine industry is relying on the abortion industry heavily.

Yes. By the way, just out of curiosity, for those that you are aware of that are advocates,

Christians, pro -life Christians, who are advocates of using human stem cells for things like this, from aborted infants, or murdered infants is a better phrase, do you know of any responses that are given to the charge against them that they are helping to fuel an industry which will further ensure that abortion mills never shut their doors, and that the slaughter, the genocide of unborn children, will surely continue when we continue to use the stem cells from murdered infants, and take advantage of their tissues for other reasons?

Are you asking, Chris, if there's been a sufficient response to that? Or any response by a pro -life

Christian who advocates, for the very reasons that you were just saying, a couple of well -known figures that are pro -life were saying, well, since the baby's already murdered, we can take advantage of benefiting the rest of humanity with their little bodies, and the tissues they provide?

Yeah, I mean, I don't know of any other, those were the two big names that I know, I read some stuff from the

Gospel Coalition, from Joe Carter, and we've tried to engage him on that issue. Ironically, he's not that far from me, here in Northern Virginia, but I've really tried to engage on that particular issue with him, but really haven't had much success.

But you've never heard what others have said, I'm saying, you know, in response? Yeah, not a lot,

I mean, there are people who are defending it, and saying things like what Joe Carter has been saying, and others, but I don't know of anybody else off the top of my head.

All right, we have to go to our first break right now, if you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own, once again, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com,

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Jay from Vestavia Hills, Alabama and I'm wondering if Jay knows the founder of Solid -Ground -Books .com

of Solid -Ground -Books .com Mike Gaydosh, my very dear friend and my first pastor as a born again believer because he, until very recently lived in Vestavia Hills, Alabama he relocated to Port St.

Lucie, Florida but I have been in Vestavia Hills myself and I have a dear friend in Birmingham or should

I say Birmingham I pronounced it the English way but my friend Roger Salter is the rector at St.

Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, a very reformed and confessional church but Jay asks these are more pastoral accountability focused questions as someone who lives in the south it's hard to talk about these things because most pulpits are filled with pastors who aren't even taking care of themselves the best, especially in regard to diet.

Number one with a focus on living a healthier life how can pastors and those who work in the ministry, teaching, discipleship etc.

help make gluttony a more important issue to deal with when culture views that as body shaming?

Dr. Garwood? Yeah, sure great question. One thing I would say at the very beginning here is that the biggest issue of course, the reason the book came about was just to restore the issue of self -government whenever self -government wanes, tyranny loves to come along and try to help and so that's inevitably the problem in a lot of with regard to the breakdown of the family or even breakdown of churches or groups of people who are not exercising self -government so it's farmed out to other places so yes, pastors should be at the forefront of making sure that they are equipping people for a faithful life and that includes dealing with the issue of medicine and health and how to think presuppositionally about those things and so the difficulty in talking about these things

I think stems from the fact that we have for so long, at least for the past 100 years been immersed in a really big government controlled big pharma sort of situation the 1910

Flexner report really changed everything in America holistic homeopathy, naturalistic type approaches to medicine really started to go away and that was because things like the

American Medical Association and the John Hopkins style universities started to take over and so everything is sort of just different a lot of people,

I think there are a lot of people waking up to these more natural minded approaches to the human body and thanks be to some pagans to our shame who are actually leading the way in the discussion when

Christians should be but patiently exhorting people and trying to encourage them, perhaps even passing a book along or an article along those things are helpful to try and encourage people to perhaps think about it differently think about it from a difficult presupposition that God is the creator, he fashioned us in his image that we aren't just spiritual people who are trapped inside this physical body and we can't wait to get away from it that's a neoplatonist view of man, but instead we are a whole person, we are a body and soul body, soul, spirit depending on how you want to divvy that up but that's a big thing

I think Jesus, especially in the book of Matthew chapter 9 verse 5 he says, which is easier to say your sins are forgiven or say rise and walk so yeah, it's easier to just say from our carnal mindset, you know, just your sins are forgiven but Jesus of course wanted to make sure that they knew that the son of man had authority on earth to forgive sins so he not only forgives his sins but he tells them rise and pick up your bed and go home so Jesus enjoins physical health and spiritual health and he restores the whole man and I think that's what the gospel intends to do is to restore the whole man so giving people those presuppositions giving people a bigger view of the gospel of the kingdom of God and the trajectory of the kingdom in restoring and healing the nations

I think that's a way to gently but pastorally and helpfully bring people along to maybe perhaps think about it from a different perspective and of course we have to be very careful not to slander folks who happen to be overweight because not everyone who's overweight is a glutton.

There are people who may have been gluttons in their past and who have as Christians really had a battle to lose weight and they're finding it impossible that perhaps they're under strict guidelines on how they can exercise and I know people that would be considered morbidly obese that eat like birds some of them were gluttons before and I'm not saying that every case of a person being overweight they're a glutton either because I know that there are hereditary factors but we have to be careful about making assumptions about people and perhaps even especially if they're in leadership that they are an active glutton right now that's one of the things about the sin of gluttony is that I chuckle sometimes when

I hear the term overeaters anonymous because you can't exactly remain anonymous when you're an overeater.

It's something that you see visibly. There are many other sins that people can keep in private in the darkness of their closets and shut doors and so on but that has a manifestation that's visible to all and unfortunately innocent people are broad -brushed with those that are truly guilty of that sin.

Would you agree with what I'm saying here? Absolutely and it's not even just particular.

You think of like food tends to be the definitional understanding of gluttony. It's just an excess of food or perhaps even a worship of food.

Their god is their belly sort of thing but old sports injuries can really hurt. I blew my knee out in high school and me trying to run five miles is just not going to happen so I have to come up with the other creative ways to try to make sure that my lymphatic system is moving and the blood flow is healthy and going on hikes with my family and my three kiddos to the mountains here in Shenandoah Mountain.

Things like that that we try to do just to keep moving so it's never just one particular thing.

It could be a combination of things for people but generally I do definitely agree. Chris with your comments there.

In fact one of the dangers of bodybuilding is that there are people that are incredibly healthy and fit and huge in a muscular way but something happens in their lives where they stop working out and they become heavyset and it really has nothing to do with gluttony but anyway.

Jay has a second question and I can't help but chuckle when I read it and I don't mean any offense to you Jay. What does a healthy post -mill life look like in regards to eating and exercising?

I think that would be probably a good name for a cereal. Post -mill right?

Post -mill toasties. Yeah I guess you have general meals and post -cereal.

I don't know. I guess that's what I thought of it. Yeah I think that's what you were thinking.

That's what I was thinking. Well I actually just gave a sermon series, excuse me not a sermon series but a sermon sort of lecture with the issue of post -millennialism and health and that's on YouTube with Cruciform Ministries.

I think there were others. Jeff Durbin was on there Pastor Doug Wilson and several others but I gave a different perspective mostly because of my work with the book but I think a healthy post -mill life is one we believe in the gospel that it will be victorious that Christ will in fact conquer the nation.

They will be discipled and of course we can split hairs on what that means and so on and so forth but I think for the even if you're not post -mill

I think you can get behind this. Whether you're a mill or pre -mill whatever camp you're in, just this idea of our bodies are not our own.

We were bought with a price Paul says. And so we live to serve another.

We are slaves of Christ. We are ambassadors of Christ and so our entire life should be oriented towards the goal that Christ has given us and that is of course the dominion of the world.

The servanthood dominion and discipling the nations and we talk a lot about our county here, Fauquier County.

It's sort of on the edge of the D .C. filth if you will and we are trying to teach our county how to obey

Christ that's what the grace commission commands us to do and so part of that is bringing healing and bringing hope to people and not just reducing the gospel down to here's how you can go to heaven when you die but rather no here's perhaps like a worldview evangelism approach.

Here's your problem help me find out help me understand how

I can help you or maybe asking discovery questions you know you have this chronic illness you know if I could help you and point you to a doctor my friend

Bill says this a lot if I can point you to someone who can help you with that would you be interested and you point them to the website healthcrawl .org

.com that's where the book came from essentially from that site and so I think being just a

Christian not even necessarily your post -millennial eschatological persuasion you can in fact help people and teach them and be involved in their life and help them see that there is a greater responsibility of course for parents raising children and the next generation of Christians who are going to take on the armor of God we need them to be healthy so we need them to not eat toxic foods and we need them to understand how their autonomic nervous system works for example those are things that we need to educate them on so we can grow the next generation of Christians with a faith qualified I just thought of a slogan for post -mill cereal it's you may live a long time and the rapture isn't right around the corner so eat healthy for many years to come

I will say this though Chris I'm not sure that there's a cereal that really needs to be consumed anyway just generally speaking well

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Yeah, great question. My wife, Mary, actually struggled with Lyme disease for quite a long time.

Lyme disease is definitely a difficult thing to maneuver. Yeah, I have a friend who lost his daughter because of Lyme disease.

Wow. Yeah, it's definitely a common thing, too. I feel like I've known several people that have battled it or are continuing to battle it.

So for her, yeah, it was kind of a journey, a medical journey that we were on for about a decade, for the past 10 years, really, even with our kids and trying to navigate health things and whether to vaccinate or not vaccinate and all that sort of funneled into my interest as my wife was on this journey fighting.

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Some of my Facebook profiles were axed. They de -platformed all my stuff a few months ago, so I really have moved much of my interest to Gab anyway, which seems to be a better platform.

But that sermon really started to, I guess, sort of percolate in my mind.

I was in Zambia. I've gone to Zambia the past couple of years. You mentioned Dr. Woody Balcom.

He's in Lusaka. Yes, my very dear friend, going all the way back to 1995,

Dr. Conrad Mbewe is the pastor of Kabwata Baptist Church in Lusaka, Zambia, Africa.

And that's where Woody labors alongside within the ministry, in addition to the

African Christian University. Yep, yep. And so I actually partnered with a church there that was right around the corner from them.

So we've never crossed paths yet, but I'm hoping someday to be able to do that while I'm there. But being there and ministering there and seeing just the grip that Western medicine, through the arm of the

United Nations and the abortion industry, and what they're trying to do in these places. You know, they wave the almighty dollar, and they want them to embrace things like homosexual marriage and abortion.

And so we go and we preach and say, don't do that, don't take the cheese, don't take the money. But all of that sort of just kind of came to a head for me, as I'm over there in my wife's journey and preaching that sermon, and I really felt like I wanted to expand that and take this gospel of the kingdom into the arena of health, because far too many, frankly, far too many pagans are running the show when it comes to natural health.

And a lot of them are right, they're doing great research, seeing great results, but, you know, it seems to me that when

Paul says, all things are yours, perhaps we need to take the gospel into that area, too. And that's really the precipice, or the impetus,

I should say, to why I wanted to write the book. Great. And we have a listener, a very faithful listener, who's also a generous supporter financially of this program.

His name is Grady from Asheboro, North Carolina. Greetings, brothers. I am in the process of getting over COVID -19.

I don't want the immunization, because I believe that our government made a mistake, because they used isolation and masks as a way to avoid getting sick.

I personally believe had they allowed herd immunity, which would build up resistance to the virus, that I would have been less sick.

He has a typo here. I also believe masks don't work because our

Heavenly Father made us so that our breath exhales in a downward motion, and masks cause it to go up and affecting more people.

Do you agree with these assessments? In fact, Grady, I had some physicians on this program speaking on the coronavirus.

Perhaps you heard that interview. Ernie Springer and Dr. Joel Yeager and Dr.

Daniel O 'Rourke, and one of them, I think it might have been Dr. O 'Rourke, said that trying to keep safe from the coronavirus with mask wearing is like trying to keep mosquitoes away with a chain -link fence.

If you could, Jason, respond to those questions that Grady had.

Sure. Yes, I did listen to that excellent program with those doctors, and I very much agreed with what they were saying.

I don't wear a mask. I haven't been wearing masks this whole time, and part of it's because I have several reasons

I don't wear a mask, because I'm not sick and I'm not going to pretend to be either. What he's referring to sometimes is called germ theory, and this idea that all these little viruses are floating around, and if we breathe one in, oh no, things go crazy.

Well, use flash. We all have pathogens and bacterias and issues in our body all the time, and the issue is never the bacteria.

It's always the terrain of the body. So if the body has proper nutrition, the Mighty 90 we talk about in the book, that's the first of the three pegs of the whole argument.

Nutrify, detoxify, energize. But in the Nutrify section, we have the Mighty 90 essential nutrients, and those are the things that our body needs in order to heal, to produce good cells, and so on and so forth.

But the masks, essentially, you know, oxygen kills viruses. So when you strap one of those, some affectionately call them a face diaper, but when you put that on your face, you are breathing, your breathing is reduced, your oxygen intake is reduced.

OSHA themselves have already stated that that's a problem with regards to oxygen levels, and not only that, you are keeping those bacteria in your body, at your mouth.

When exhaling is one of the best ways to detox your body, you're getting rid of things when you exhale, so you need that oxygen.

So there are a lot of reasons why I don't. I'm actually working on an article for 10 reasons why I don't, but those are just a couple of those reasons, so I think he's absolutely right.

Well, thank you, Grady, and guess what? You have won a free copy of the book,

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can ship out that book to you free of charge. We have a listener who is someone you know very well, because well, not because, but it is evident that you know him very well, because he wrote the foreword to your book.

We have Martin Sobredi in Georgetown, Texas, who actually has been a guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

I remember years ago when we did an eight -day series, which I think we've done at least twice, we've done eight -day series on eschatology.

Martin was the representative of theonomic post -millennialism from a non -preterist perspective.

We really got into the minutia with at least three different programs on post -millennialism, because there were so many differences.

Martin has a statement. He says, Dear Chris, since you and Dr.

Garward were joking about cereals, I thought I'd mention a comment made in the 1980s by columnist

Cal Thomas. He talked about dispensationalists who were so distressed by Christian optimism that they even refused to eat post -toasties.

He says he's been enjoying the program today. Thank you, Martin, for that humorous email that you sent.

You actually jogged my memory, because I think now that I heard Cal Thomas say that, or at least I heard somebody quote him on that in the past.

I look forward to having you back on the show, too, Martin. Perhaps when we have another eight -day series or longer on eschatology like we did a couple of times, we'll have you back, or if you have any other subject you'd like to address.

There are many things that are involved in health. In fact, I already know that I would like to have you back on the show, because I know that we're not going to be able to address a lot of the important things that we have, that you have made available in your book.

But one thing I'd like to address is the danger of becoming a health and nutrition

Nazi. You know, there are people, and of course that's an exaggerated pejorative term

I'm using, but there are people who really can be annoying and condemnatory and pharisaic about this issue.

I can even remember years ago, I had a friend who was a

Seventh -day Adventist pastor, and he invited me to a service that they were having because they were having a guest speaker, and it happened to be a

Seventh -day Adventist physician who was the speaker. And he gave an analogy of three men having lunch together.

One had a salad and drank water, one had a roast beef sandwich and a coke, and one had steak and beer.

And his question to the congregation was, which one of these three was not in sin?

And I can immediately think, I remember immediately thinking in my head, well, I know

I'm not joining this congregation, but isn't this a danger? I mean, it's a danger with anything, especially when we're caught up, maybe in the newly -wed stage of being caught up with something that we have initially discovered and we are excited and enthusiastic, even as has been labeled cage -stage

Calvinism. So, I think it's a danger to consider is, one, at the foundational level, as I mentioned before, we're talking about self -government.

So, at the end of the day, I need to make sure that I, in my own conscience, am obedient to Christ and doing what

I can to make sure that I'm not sick. You know, the premise behind the book is, when you're sick, you're out of the fight.

So, when you're sick and you have chronic illnesses and all these debilitating issues, you're not really fully expending yourself for the kingdom of God.

And, now, I'm not going to say immediately, well, that person's sinning and therefore we should, you know, pull the session together and let voice acts communicate them, but nothing like that.

But I think a lot of it is sort of an unconscious ignorance. People just, maybe they don't know.

They don't know that they don't know, and so we have to gently and in a shepherdly manner teach them and bring them along and try to help them.

And, of course, that can come off incredibly condescending, where, don't you know? You can handle your diabetes differently if you do this.

So, I think, of course, just like anything, it takes great care. It perhaps takes the right person at the right time to be able to gently persuade them to reconsider, perhaps, diet or lifestyle, or maybe they do need to get that air filter because, you know, maybe they should get the mold test because they're living in a toxic air condition in their house.

So, I think, on the one hand, you have people who are genuinely just trying to help, and, of course, you have other people who maybe they are a little bit of, shall we say, the cage -stager version of the

Calvinist here on the issue of health. And, of course, like anything, a lot of truth, but perhaps, you know, a zeal without knowledge may be the case as well.

And so, I think, especially in the Church, we need to be able to promote these ideas without being that condescending person who just wants to be right all the time.

Have you considered this? Or, hey, you know, I just read this book, or I watched this video, and I thought, oh, maybe you could benefit from this, and so on and so forth.

Now, there is the issue of someone who eats McDonald's three times a day and is sluggish and sickly all the time, and perhaps they do need a more potent intervention, shall we say.

You know, those types of obstinance, and again, it may be just pure ignorance, but it also may be someone who's depressed, who's lymphatic system is clogged, and they have had a cold for eight weeks, and they're not sure what to do, but they don't realize that the food they're putting in their body is actually part of the problem.

You know, I think that, obviously, pastorally speaking, there are layers to that, and there are ways to encourage people in different ways.

Of course, I myself have done that with people in our congregation who have various health conditions.

I think, you know, you look at most churches, their prayer list is probably 95 % people with health issues.

And usually, it's just, okay, let's pray for this person. They've had a cold forever, or this person who's sick with the flu again, and my issue is, why can't we deal with those differently?

Sure, let's pray, but perhaps we need to act, too. Perhaps we need to not only pray over them with the elders and anoint them with oil, and I'm not convinced it has to be olive oil.

It could be essential oil. If you want, I think the point is to pray. Well, I'm sure that when it's being dumped on someone's head, it doesn't really matter.

If it's not the best kind of oil to eat, maybe that's a good way to use it, right? Yeah, yeah. I'm almost convinced

James is talking about probably something like a frankincense oil or something that would have been medicinal back in Bible time.

At any rate, I think it's a gentle issue. I think like anything, you're trying to teach people, if you have a stubborn Arminian friend and you really believe in the doctrines of grace, then you're trying to win them over.

I don't suggest just slapping them over the head with Calvin's Institute. Maybe you need to have a conversation.

I think it requires wisdom, and so there are a lot of layers to that sort of question. let's see here.

I'm trying to remember who asked that question. I think

I've already deleted it, but thanks for submitting your question and give us your full mailing address because you have won a free copy of the book,

Health for All of Life, by our guest today. Sorry, I forgot your name and location, but we have a first -time questioner who is also listening live for the first time.

I guess that means he listens to the pre -recorded archived programs on the podcast.

He is Thomas from Leed, South Dakota. What do you say to those who would lump the often touted health benefits of fasting in with the biblical practice?

I knew a gentleman who did just that, and it certainly struck me as a misunderstanding of why and how believers are to approach such a thing.

I know one can fast for a variety of reasons, but what do you say to someone who intermingles those practices?

Interesting. As someone who does intermingle those practices, I see fasting...

I don't have a dichotomous view of that. I don't think that if you're fasting because, for example, you're trying to burn fat, fasting scientifically helps with reducing inflammation in the body.

You can take stress off of your digestive system and so on and so forth. There are a lot of reasons scientifically that fasting works, but of course in the

Bible part of the reason we fast is sort of a reset, a refocus for our spiritual life.

We want to be centered on Christ. Maybe we're in a season of stress, a season of difficulty at work, and we want to stop and say, okay,

Lord, I want to focus on You completely. I want to reset, if you will, and make sure that I'm anchored in Christ in that way.

I don't necessarily believe that there's a dichotomous view that has to be that. Of course, people do fast from different things.

Some people fast from social media, obviously the season of Lent. Some people, evangelicals included, will participate in giving up something, giving up ice cream, giving up these things, and I don't have much to say about that.

I certainly am not here to condemn them, but I don't see a problem with saying that I'm going to fast.

You could fast and reset your immune system in just a day. People who have been diagnosed with cancer, one of the first things you could do is fast.

Try to fast for 24 hours, 48 hours if possible to maybe drink water, of course, but depending on the situation, to reset your body's immune system.

That's an interesting question and something certainly to give me more to think about. I assume that Thomas meant that I don't know if he is taking this position, but that there are those that are looking at the fasting in the

Scripture as being only of spiritual benefit. Is that really what he meant by the question that some are intermingling things that are intended primarily to have a spiritual benefit with things that have a physical benefit?

Is that what he meant? Yeah, maybe. Maybe that's what he was getting at. Certainly there are people who would be more in the ascetic camp who would fast for perhaps a further enlightenment, which of course is more of a pagan thing, but fasting for focusing on Christ, not emptying the mind while you're emptying the body, so to speak.

You want to empty the stomach so you can fill your mind with Christ. Again, there are obviously other benefits that I go over in the book, chapter on detoxify, where Dr.

Jockers, for example, gives us a lot of good reasons why we should potentially fast. Well, thanks,

Thomas, and please make sure that you give us your mailing address in Leed, South Dakota, because you've not only won

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This is getting close to the end of the program, so if you have any intention to send in a question, please do so as soon as possible.

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I have friends who are health and nutrition experts, but they look, quite frankly, like they are dying.

They don't look healthy. They look sickly. What is the common reason why people who watch their diets and make sure that they only eat healthy foods look this way?

That's an answer I'm not sure I could say, at least speaking broadly. Perhaps they don't have the joy of the

Lord, which is our strength. That's one of the... But there are also people that do look.

They don't look strong. They don't look healthy. I'm not saying everybody. There are many people who look incredibly healthy and strong, but there are people that look like you can knock them over by breathing on them.

That might be because your breath is bad, but you could knock them over with a pinky.

Is there a common thing that maybe they're just not eating enough? Let me ask you a quick question, and we could explore this at greater length when we have you come back, if indeed you'd like to return.

Is strict vegan, vegetarian diet, is that healthy? Is that one of the reasons some of these folks look this way?

Perhaps. Personally, my wife and I have chosen a whole food plant -based diet for the most part, and a lot of the folks that we learn from seem to be quite healthy, so I'm not sure.

One thing I think is important, and Dr. Tennant, in the book, we talk about that there, but one thing that is important is that nutrition seems to be the issue, so no matter what sort of eating lifestyle you may have, nutrition is and always should be the focus, and that may require supplementation.

It may require chlorine dioxide and DMSO, things we talk about in the book, to help cleanse you, because you may be eating the right things, but you may also lack sleep.

Maybe you don't have a good handle on stress in your life. Maybe you don't have a sound spiritual walk with Christ that keeps you grounded, and so on.

And you might not be exercising either. It could be that, too. Yeah, certainly.

I mean, I think that's why the holistic view that really I'm advocating for is not just one thing.

Oh, well, eat this way, and that's it. Well, there are other things, too. You may have a lot of heavy metals in your body, from vaccines or eating glyphosate in your food, for example.

You may have other issues and other factors that are at play that you may need to consider. And of course,

I'm assuming that you don't mandate as the only obedient way for a

Christian to eat a vegetarian or plant -based diet, because Jesus certainly didn't adhere to that.

Yeah, no, definitely not. I think that sort of thing would be requiring something that the

Bible does not require. Like some Seventh -day Adventists do. In fact, I think most of them do, but apparently not all over the world.

And some people may take the Old Testament dietary laws and say, you know, this isn't necessarily binding in the

New Covenant, but I think maybe there's wisdom there, and some may be in that camp as well. Well, I want to make sure that our listeners have your church website address again, crosscrownchurch .com,

crosscrownchurch .com, and I believe that your book is available on Amazon, right?

Correct, yeah. And Kindle and paperback. And remember, folks, it's Health for All of Life, a

Medical Manifesto of Hope and Healing for the Nations by Jason M.

Garwood. That's M as in Michael. I don't know if that's your middle name. Yes, it is. Oh, it is?

Okay, good guess. Yes, good guess. Jason M. Garwood. Well, I really want you to return soon, brother, because we've just scratched a tiny surface, a tiny bit of the surface of this book.

And if you're willing, in fact, if you could hold on, I'd like to schedule you for our second interview, if you're interested.

Absolutely, definitely. And I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who took the time to write in questions. I hope that you all have a safe and happy and healthy and Christ -honoring weekend and Lord's Day.

And I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.