EXPOSE': SBC's ERLC & Pro-Life Movement's Compromise & Heresy

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So this is my question, is it really your position that the mother who willfully kills her own child by abortion is never guilty before God and she should never face any consequences under the law?

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Why would an SBC backed organization be opposed to a bill of equal protection in the state of Louisiana?

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The question is, is it a sin before God by the mother who willfully participates in it?

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And if so, which law of God did she break? You cannot look beyond abortion.

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It is the high crime in our nation against a holy God. So end abortion now is a ministry of apology at church and we've had the privilege and the opportunity to raise up about 900 local churches across the

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United States and really around the world to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills. We bring the gospel, we point people to Christ, we offer help and hope and even adoption to mothers and fathers who are going in to kill their children at these abortion mills.

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But we also have been able to work with a prophetic ministry, bringing the word of God to legislators across the country.

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I'm Brian Gunter, senior pastor of First Baptist Church in Livingston, Louisiana. And over the years,

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God has really captured my heart on the plight of the pre -born child in the womb.

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Scripture tells us to rescue those who are being taken away to death.

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And as I looked in my state, there were three abortion clinics operating, murdering 20 babies a day.

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And so I worked for the past eight years with Louisiana Right to Life, four and a half years of which were in a staff capacity.

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I was their outreach director, had an official title and position with them. And part of what I did over those last four and a half years was

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I lobbied the state legislature to pass pro -life bills in the state legislature.

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I really wanted to push for a bill that would totally abolish abortion in the state of Louisiana. And so I began to push for Louisiana Right to Life to consider a bill that would establish life beginning at the moment of conception and then protecting life from conception forward.

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And about three to four years of this went by of me pleading for a clean bill of abolition in the state of Louisiana, and I finally realized they're never going to do it.

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We've been able to get bills of equal protection, criminalization, and abolition into numerous states across the country.

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The problem is, is the pro -life movement and establishment often works against these bills asking the legislators not to pass them.

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And they are often successful in terms of not allowing these bills to get a hearing. And what happened in Louisiana was something different.

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And I began working with End Abortion Now and Bradley Pierce to craft a bill that would say life begins at conception and the same homicide code that protects your life and mine will now protect the child in the womb from the moment of conception.

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The bill was written and filed as House Bill 813. And as that bill was introduced to the state legislature, lawmakers looked at it and said, well, this makes perfect sense.

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This bill says life begins at conception. Therefore, we should equally protect every human life from the moment of conception, whether inside or outside of the womb.

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So I've been involved in supporting bills of abolition in multiple states since about 2016.

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There were multiple bills in 2017, 18, 19, Texas, Indiana, Washington State.

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Bills of abolition have been filed. What's generally happened to those bills is they've been sort of tabled.

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Go into committee, won't get a vote, totally and thoroughly ignored. What happened to Louisiana was historical, it was groundbreaking in that this bill got a hearing, and not only got a hearing in the committee, but sailed through.

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Representative Nelson, Representative Sebaugh? Absolutely. Yes. Representative Filio? Okay.

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Representative Moreno? No. No. Seven yays, two nays. Thank you committee. Thank you.

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House Bill 813 will be reported favorably to the ladies. Louisiana was interesting because it was the first time a bill of equal protection of total immediate abolition ever got out of a committee, and it was exciting to see it get on the floor of the

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House there, and it seemed like it had a lot of good support from the legislators.

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And then 70 plus pro -life organizations authored a letter saying, do not pass any bill that could potentially criminalize a woman.

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And almost with a direct result of that, the legislators all start flipping.

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I was talking to people on the way up, I was like, I don't know, this may be the time that it just kind of happens.

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But the open letter comes in, the pro -life movement shows up, kills it.

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I think that was probably the thing, because those legislators, when they were going to vote to gut that bill and get rid of it, they did it with the knowledge that all of the pro -life organizations were telling them this is no good.

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And this letter from National Right to Life, which was also signed by Louisiana Right to Life, the organization that I had been working for, they signed a letter with National Right to Life opposing our bill.

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But even more than that, as a Southern Baptist, I was particularly grieved that the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the

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Southern Baptist Convention, which is supposed to advocate for a pro -life position on behalf of millions of Southern Baptists across the country, representing 47 ,000 churches across America, they signed this letter which said, we will never support any law that makes it a crime for a woman to murder the child in her womb.

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Infamously, most infamously on that open letter was the ERLC as a signer, which was shocking because previously the

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Southern Baptists, the messengers of the Southern Baptist Convention had voted to support bills of abolition exactly like the bill that was on the floor there in Louisiana.

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This is not the Bill Askell resolution. This is the resolution calling for the abolishing of abortion submitted by scores of pastors from across this

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Southern Baptist Convention. Now we will vote on the resolution itself.

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As amended. If you are in favor of the resolution as amended with the word alone put into clause 14, if you are in favor of that, please indicate so by uplifted ballot.

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Okay, all opposed, same sign. The affirmative has it and the resolution is adopted.

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And when I saw that the same organization from the

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Southern Baptist Convention that my church funds had signed on to a letter to kill the very bill that I had been working so hard to pass in my state legislature and end abortion in Louisiana, I felt betrayed.

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My church members faithfully give their dollars and then the Southern Baptist Convention's ERLC worked to kill the bill that their pastor had worked so hard to pass so that we could finally end abortion in our state.

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And thankfully, Pastor Brian was presented with an opportunity to go up and to speak directly to the

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ERLC to explain what happened in Louisiana and the confusion surrounding why would an

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SBC backed organization be opposed to a bill of equal protection in the state of Louisiana?

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Earlier this year, I worked with my state legislators to introduce

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House Bill 813 in the Louisiana legislature. HB 813 was a bill that sought to immediately end all abortion in my state by providing equal protection to the child in the womb.

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Simply stated, if life begins at conception, then our laws should protect life from the moment of conception.

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So you can imagine my surprise when you signed a letter dated

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May 12th urging all state lawmakers across America to oppose this bill and others like it because it would make it a crime for a woman to kill her own child by abortion.

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I thought that Southern Baptists, when we say we're pro -life, we mean that no person should be able to murder an innocent child in the womb.

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So this is my question. Is it really your position that the mother who willfully kills her own child by abortion is never guilty before God and she should never face any consequences under the law?

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Essentially the question is, hey, I thought we said we believed this, it's human from conception.

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Why are you working against the bills that would actually say that, that it's human from conception and all humans deserve equal protection?

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Here's the reality. You're not going to get me to say that I want to throw mothers behind bars.

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That's not the view of this entity. That is not the view of this convention. It is not the view of the pro -life movement.

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Really directly after Pastor Brian had asked this question to the ERLC and they said they never wanted the woman to be seen as punishable by law for murdering her child, the question was then asked, okay, if abortion is a violation of the law of God, which violation is it?

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The previous speaker rightly referred to a willful abortion as a sin. My question is, is it a sin before God by the mother who willfully participates in it?

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And if so, which law of God did she break? The 10 commandments thou shall not kill.

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You shall not kill, which is you shall not murder. And so you have now really two positions.

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On the one hand, the ERLC worked against our bill in Louisiana. They helped to kill it.

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And they say that they do not want a woman to ever be seen as guilty for abortion or punishable in any way.

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She can murder her child with impunity, according to the ERLC. And then at the same time, you have the

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ERLC from the platform at the SBC saying that what's taking place in abortion is a violation of God's law, the law you shall not murder.

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A few nights ago at a Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission meeting, the ERLC of the

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Southern Baptist Convention, they're on a panel and one of the ladies specifically says these women know they have sinned against God.

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And then the rest of the time, they act like the woman is a victim that could never be criminalized. It's just doublespeak.

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Somebody might say, where does this confusion come from? And the confusion comes from a heretical belief, it is literally heresy, that the woman bears no guilt in abortion and she should never be punished.

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It is heretical in terms of a biblical position, it is not biblically orthodox, and it is not orthodox in terms of the history of the

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Christian church, all the way from the Didache, one of the earliest writings of the Christian church that we have in hand today, throughout the first five centuries of the church.

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You can see that the church had to deal with the issue of abortion and abortifacients, and it is the consistent position of the

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Christian church that the mother who kills her child is actually guilty. It's so incongruous to hear those who think they are being compassionate to women, toward women, who say, oh no, we don't want them to feel guilty.

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They're victims. They're not culpable for the death of their children. They think that they're showing them mercy, when in reality, what they are doing is they are putting a roadblock to the only pathway of mercy and grace that is afforded to them.

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So what the pro -life industry is doing, what the ERLC of the Southern Baptist Convention is doing, is that they are depriving women of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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If she sinned, she needs to be forgiven, and we need to love people enough to call them to repentance and faith in Christ, and if they're victims, there's no way to do that.

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She is guilty before her creator of murdering the very child that God gave her, and we have a way to give her peace, and the pro -life industry wants to rob her of that peace by depriving her of the gospel and telling her, you're not a sinner, you're a victim, you don't need grace, you don't need forgiveness, you've done nothing wrong.

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And this is where it gets more complicated. The SBC, sadly, had to deal with an issue of failure in the area of sex abuse cases.

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Very important issue, and I think if we held to the law of God, we'd be able to handle that issue better in terms of handing people over to the state who actually commit what are crimes according to God's law.

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But the SBC was really weighed down with this very, very tragic situation of sex abuse cases and an improper handling of sex abuse.

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And what's interesting is that the conversation taking place at the SBC was that, of course we want the gospel itself to go to sex abusers.

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We want people who sin against God and commit crimes, we want them to know Christ. We want them to be forgiven and to receive

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Christ and the gospel itself. However, the position held by those at the SBC was that though we want these sex abusers to know

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Jesus and be forgiven, we also want God's deacon, the civil magistrate, to actually execute and wield justice in those cases.

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So we want the gospel to go to the offender, but we also know that God demands justice, criminal penalties for what has been done.

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And it seems to me that there's an understanding at the SBC and even with the ERLC that those who commit these crimes, sex abuse crimes, we want them to have the gospel, but they still need to be punished by the state.

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And what's interesting is in the case of abortion, because of the doctrine of the pro -life establishment, they don't believe that with them.

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They believe that a mother, we want to give her the gospel and she's not guilty, period. She's not guilty or to ever be seen as guilty.

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We want her to have no punishments for murdering her children. That is not a Christian position. That is not a biblical position.

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That is not a gospel centered position. And the very foundation of the gospel is the law of God.

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I mean, the foundation of Mount Calvary is Mount Sinai. And if we don't see that, then we're just going to make up sins or pretend like, oh, well, yes, you need

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Jesus forgiveness or this, but not that. God defines what's sin. You shall not murder.

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And that's true from the moment of conception till the natural ending of life for a person.

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And it's important for Christians, in particular for pastors, ministers of the gospel to recognize heretical beliefs and teachings when we find them, even when we find them in what we think is our own camp.

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And in this case, in the camp, we have people who are teaching heretical things about the issue of sin, abortion, and the gospel itself.

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And the problem is, is that if we follow the false doctrine of the pro -life establishment and the

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ERLC, we lose the gospel for women and we will never, ever end abortion.