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Introduction, Flooding in Phoenix, and a Domino's Tattoo Promotion

Non-rockabotas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it.

Are you going to bark all day, little doggie, or are you going to bite?

We're being delusional.

Yeah, I love you, Jeff.

Delusional?

Delusional is OK in your world view. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional. So you calling me delusional using your world view is perfectly OK.

It doesn't really hurt.

She hung up on me.

What? What? What?

Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men. The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage.

Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives.

Right.

Don't go into the world and make homies.

Right.

Disciples.

I got a bit of a jiggle, Nick.

That's a joke, pastor.

When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or for any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed. Only on the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses shall a charge be established.

What's up, y 'all? Welcome back to another episode of Apologia Radio coming at you guys from a very wet Phoenix, Arizona. Lots of flooding. I don't think we did a good job when we set up the infrastructure of this city on dealing with the flooding.

Sort of the older areas. The newer areas are okay, but...

Decent. Yes, decent. So coming at you guys from Phoenix, Arizona. We've had a time... I was coming back from Kauai for a mission for our church plan out there and I saw a news report that said that we were going to get all the rain from like a hurricane or something that was coming to the Pacific.

It was going to go all the way up to Las Vegas. So I was kind of excited about that. I love the rain.

Yeah.

I love it when it rains here in Arizona. When it rains, it really rains here in Arizona. Man, does it ever rain. And surprising, actually, the desert.

Yeah, it just doesn't last long.

We get some serious rain and floods and... It's wild. I had actually run across town last night to get my wife and my son who I apparently thought he was going to die in a flood. We had to pull the car over.

It couldn't get out of the water and I guess he thought...

He was like, dude, you got to come save us, dad.

Oh my gosh.

Please come save us.

Is that Sage?

I think no. My 10-year-old. Actually, I'm Jeff the Ninja. That's Luke the Bear. That's Joy the Girl. Apologia Radio. Apologia Studios .com. That's where you go to get more. I think that Stellar, my 10-year-old, I think he was legitimately traumatized.

I honestly think that he has PTSD because the nuclear attack. When we were in Kauai, when the ballistic missile warning coming in came into our phones...

Not from the president.

That's right. He said, this is not a test. Ballistic missile inbound to Hawaii. This is not a test. So he was there when that happened and every time now that that stupid thing goes off my phone, I'm telling you, Stellar, he melts.

Yeah.

And he's like, what was it?

I was with him one time.

Yeah.

And something... I don't know what it was. A storm or amber alert or something. But as soon as he heard that tone, he just launched into the story about the missile.

He started grabbing mattresses and loaves of bread.

Yeah, we were throwing the mattresses on everyone.

I mean, that's scary for a kid.

Yeah.

I'm sure that sticks fresh in your memory.

My kids know my kids a little bit too. They're like, what is that?

Oh, yeah.

It really messed them up.

Well, it's easy to be like, oh, well, nothing happened. But you guys actually thought something was going to happen.

I was throwing mattresses and blankets and pillows all over everyone, throwing food in and we're running around. He's seriously traumatized.

I mean, I was washing my beard, but...

Yeah.

He was in the shower just taking his time.

If I'm going out, my beard's going to look nice.

I'm going to look good and clean.

Going out in style.

That's right.

Is that why you're wearing your rain jacket, though?

Yeah, because all the rain.

It's funny. I come in today. It rains, so it's 84 degrees today. And half the people in the studio are wearing sweaters and jackets.

Well, I'm always wearing a sweater.

I know you are. But Sage has on a Mr. Rogers cardigan. I'm like, dude, it's 84 degrees outside.

So that's cold.

I was like, what are you talking about?

That's the thing about Arizona, right, is we live in a desert. So the moment we get just a hint of relief in the weather and rain or just a hint, when it drops down to 85 in Arizona, we're like, ooh, winter's coming.

That's how I feel.

I put a shirt on, so I was like, yeah.

Also, I'm just going to say that we keep the studio at 68 degrees.

We do.

This is true. We do keep it awfully cold in here.

So it might be 84 outside.

But it's like 60 in here. So welcome back to another episode of Apology Radio. We have an important episode we're going to do today. We're going to talk today about standards of justice, so God's standards of justice.

We're going to talk about the Kavanaugh issue, Dr. Christine Ford. We're going to talk about as Christians, how should we approach this? Because, of course, many of us have been inundated in our feeds and across our platforms with all the discussions, the videos from the hearing, and all the news reports, everything, just a wide spectrum of opinions.

And so we think it's important for us to actually face this issue down like Christians and not sort of be arbitrary in our thinking about it or just apply our own standards, our own thoughts like the world is doing.

We think that we should actually go to the Word of God and ask the question, what does God say, in terms of how we're supposed to respond to accusations, what are the rights of the person who's being accused, what's the rights of the victim.

So we wanted to do a show today actually talking about the law of God in reference to the Kavanaugh and Dr. Ford hearing and situation. So that's what we're going to do today. I want to encourage everybody to go to ApologiaStudios .com.

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That's right.

It's true.

That is true. Yes, that's right.

It's true.

I checked.

I checked. That's right. So we have a lot to talk about today. We're going to try to condense the episode down today, not to do a two-hour-long episode but a shorter episode. But before we get into the topic for today and get into the word of God and talk about all these things, let's hand it over to Joy.

Yeah, I have a really interesting piece of news to bring to you today. It's a little bit older, so maybe you guys have heard about it, but it's within the past few weeks. So did you guys hear about Domino's tattoos in Russia?

I did hear.

Oh, no.

So in Russia, Domino's created this promotion where anyone could get a visible tattoo of the logo.

Stop.

I didn't know it was Russia. I thought it was here.

No, it was Russia.

If it was here, I would have done it by now.

And so if you did that, you could get a hundred pizzas a year for a hundred years for free.

What?

I would have done it by now if it was the States.

This sounds so Russia. It sounds so Russia.

Does it come with vodka?

Vodka?

One hundred pizzas and vodka.

What is pizza like in Russia? It's probably different, a little bit.

I would imagine maybe it's a little different. Are they big on fish in Russia? They're probably big on fish, yeah.

Everybody is in the States.

Even in the UK, the food is all a little different.

Yeah, it is.

The fast food and stuff.

Instead of marinara, it's just Russian vodka poured over that. Vodka sauce.

There you go. Anyway, so basically they had people flooded to get this.

So people actually bought.

People did it. It's all over Instagram. People went and got a tattoo of the Domino's logo. A lot of people were a little bit creative with it and had a pizza slice and all this stuff anyway.

I would have got the Noid.

The what?

Remember the Noid?

Yeah, the Noid.

From the 80s?

Remember that goofy character they had? It was a little creature that made your food cold.

You don't remember the Noid?

No.

How do I not remember this?

I don't know. I had a little toy Noid.

It was Domino's. Domino's said, avoid the Noid. Order food Domino's because your pizza will get there soon and it won't be cold.

Oh, okay.

The Noid was like a little.

I don't remember the creature, but I remember the saying.

Yes.

Okay. So anyway, so many people did this that Russian Domino's couldn't handle it.

But they made a promise.

So they amended their statement.

Oh, post-tattoo.

Yes.

So they said that they're sticking to 350 lucky free pizza winners. So if you got the tattoo, you are now eligible to be one of 350 people.

This was not well thought out.

No.

No.

Not at all.

Some drunk Russian manager was like, this will be a good idea.

People. So many people got this.

Did Putin get it?

I don't know if it's just. I don't know if it's like if they're trying to give a good news story. So they're trying to make it seem like more people got it than they really did. But I feel like a few people with Domino's tattoos are not going to be getting 100 free pizzas for 100 years.

So, okay. So let's think about this for a second. If you get 100 free pizzas, if you get 100 free pizzas a year for 100 years, you could technically survive.

Oh, yeah.

As a human.

Right.

Easily.

Yeah.

You can technically survive off of this diet.

For the cost of a tattoo.

Yeah.

Because I mean, obviously you'd be going days. Well, you just slice it up and you can just sparse out the pizza slices. Slice it up.

One pizza every 3 .65 days.

Yeah.

Just take the same pizza and just sort of distribute it over several days. You could literally survive off of Domino's pizza for the rest of your life. You will not look well.

Well, I mean, what if you could get like no cheese and just like have them pile a bunch of vegetables on it? That's not too horrible.

No.

Keep it to two slices.

Yeah.

You could do breakfast pizzas, I wonder.

That's right.

Yeah.

I don't know. Well, apparently you can only do it if you're one of the 350 winners.

Wow.

Otherwise, you just have yourself a very nice Domino's tattoo.

Somebody got in a lot of trouble. I imagine. Higher up.

That's just not something you can go back. You literally can't go back on it.

Right. Right.

Like you can't. You have a tattoo forever.

So are Russians as litigious as us in the US? Are they all suing Domino's?

Are they allowed to be?

That's a good question.

I don't know. Because in America, Domino's would now be officially over. They'd be done. Because they'd be sued by every person that did it.

Yep.

I imagine they would be. So that's crazy.

Anyway, good luck to the 350 people.

Right. Yeah.

And to the rest of you.

That's right.

Sorry about that.

That's right.

I wouldn't do it.

It's wild to actually cut into your body like that for free pizza and then end up not getting what you asked for.

Yeah, that's a letdown.

That's a big letdown. So we are going to go ahead and dive right in today to the subject before us. I'm sure that everybody watching this right now or listening to it right now on your podcast feed or whatever, you've all heard something about Kavanaugh.

Kavanaugh is a judge. He is the nominee for the next position in the Supreme Court. And shortly before all this took place, we learned these allegations. Dr. Ford alleges that she was sexually assaulted by Kavanaugh.

And I think the dates sort of shifted and changed. So you'll see there were some saying it was early in the 80s and then it was the mid 80s. And so it's kind of gone back and forth. But I believe the date that was settled on was sometime in 1982, because that's what Kavanaugh was actually addressing.

So the allegations were that Dr. Ford was assaulted, sexually assaulted by Kavanaugh, I guess around 1982. And the this the challenge in all in all of it is from one aspect of this. People are saying, why did you hold on to this information for so long?

Right.

And it just seems very convenient that you're releasing it right now. And so far from being sort of a quote unquote job interview where Kavanaugh is asked questions, this has become a whole debacle related to sexual assault charges.

And so everybody knows. And we have to ask the question, how are we supposed to actually engage this? And so I want to say that this is an important question because it goes beyond just our favorite political party and the person that we want in the Supreme Court.

Can I.

We'll just start with this. My problem with this initially is that I know that many people are hopeful for Kavanaugh because they say he's a pro-life guy. Having a pro-life guy in the Supreme Court might mean the end of Roe.

And I know that a lot of Democrats and liberals are saying we cannot have him on the Supreme Court because we're going to lose our abortion rights. Let me just say to the Democrats who believe that the liberals who believe that I don't believe you're in any danger in terms of Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court and Supreme Court undoing Roe versus Wade.

I think that you're going to maintain your abortion rights with a pro-life person on the Supreme Court because we need to remember that when Roe passed, it was a Republican dominated Supreme Court. And when Roe passed, we had what many pro-lifers are dreaming of today.

A Supreme Court ruled by conservatives, those sorts of things. Well, that's who gave us Roe versus Wade. I don't believe that that's the way to undo Roe versus Wade or to actually end abortion in our country.

Even if you had Roe v. Wade overturned by the Supreme Court today, you would still have abortion taking place within the states because of the incremental legislation that pro-life groups have put into place.

So let me just explain that for those of you who are hearing this for the first time. The pro-life groups have opted for an incremental strategy towards ending abortion at the state level. And what they've done is they've actually added restrictions.

So they say that abortion shall be illegal except for, and they give you all these different reasons or ways that abortion can still be possible at the state level. What that has effectively done is it's actually put legislation in at the state level that even if you remove Roe, abortion is now legal at the state because of the pro-life legislation put into place that actually specifies how abortions can take place.

So they'll say things like, you can't have an abortion under 22 weeks or 20 weeks or beyond 22 or 20 weeks. Which means, ipso facto, by logical deduction, you can have at the state level abortions below 20 weeks.

And that, amazingly, is legislation that is often put into place by conservative pro-lifers. So when we think about Roe being pushed aside, we need to consider the fact that since Roe began, the pro-life movement has had an abysmal, disastrous strategy of ending abortion that has actually helped abortion stay legal at the state level.

So hear what I'm saying.

And helped Planned Parenthood monopolize the industry.

That's right. So hear what I'm saying. And I don't mean this in any way to cut anybody's throats or hurt anybody here. I just mean this in terms of let's think about it as Christians and be honest with ourselves about effective strategies.

If Roe is ended tonight at 8 p .m., abortion is still happening tomorrow in the states because the pro-life movement's incremental legislation. Just consider that. So someone says, well then what in the world are we going to do?

Well, the answer, of course, is for states to actually exercise their state sovereignty.

Lesser magistrates.

In this union, lesser magistrates need to uphold their duties as lesser magistrates and resist the tyrannical, horrible opinion of a higher court, which is not legislation. Roe v. Wade is not legislation.

It's an opinion of a court based upon a faulty premise that what's inside the womb is potential human life. So with all that said, I think the big hubbub over Kavanaugh is many people are thinking on both sides, Republican and Democrat, they're thinking if Kavanaugh is in place, we can undo Roe.

Now, I think that's an ineffective strategy. I think it goes against how our system of government is supposed to work. Congress makes legislation according to our Constitution, not the Supreme Court. So the states have the right to just reject the opinion of the Supreme Court.

And a state like Arizona, our state, can say we have Arizona statute 13 -3603 that says that abortion's a criminal act. All we have to do in Arizona is the lesser magistrate has to say we're going to uphold 13 -3603.

Abortion's illegal in Arizona. It's a crime.

It's a crime.

And we resist the Supreme Court's tyrannical opinion. That's what we must do. So with that said, I don't personally believe there's any threat with Kavanaugh in terms of abortion ending in our country.

But people believe that on both sides. And I believe that's where the big hubbub is.

Yeah.

We talked about this a little bit last week. Just Doug's article was really great about this. Where it's, it's just, it's essentially a war, literally a war over worship. And so you have the left side, the liberals who are going to go to battle, they will fight to the death to maintain their ability to worship comfort in this situation.

You know, abortion is a matter of worship for them.

Right.

And so they will go to the mat. They will, they will die. They will, as we're witnessing, they will do anything they possibly can to try to keep that option available. And so, um, yeah, like you're saying, so they, they, in their mind, they think that Kavanaugh becoming, uh, or, uh, being, um, approved to the Supreme court then will end their, uh, their ability to abort their children.

And, uh, yeah. So that's, so that's why you're seeing a lot of just evil tactics, you know? And, um, yeah, so.

Joy, anything?

Well, I just, if you're dealing, if you're, if you're, um, these are two like separate things, like where his ability to, uh, overturn Roe v. Wade and a sexual assault are two different things. And you're not supposed to, um, the sober minded, clear thinking person shouldn't let guilt be determined by, uh, the good or the potential good or the potential evil that a person can do.

Um, they can, they're like, how would you like to be in a courtroom where that happened? Um, if someone was like, oh, well I have a lot of money. So my sexual assault suddenly means less because I can contribute to society.

That's not how we're supposed to, um, you know, and the general public is obviously not a courtroom setting. It's not a legal setting, but that's not how we're supposed to, um, form our opinions about people.

We're not supposed to give people a free pass on sexual assault if they can abortion. And we're certainly not supposed to make false sexual allegations. I'm not saying that's what happened here, um, to keep people from, uh, overturning.

So we're going to actually now play just a little clip to introduce a little bit more about the discussion, what's taking place. It's actually, this one's from Fox news. Just an overall picture of what's taken place thus far.

So you can get a good understanding of some of the witnesses that were questioned, uh, what Dr. Ford has been saying. And so just a short clip here, just to give everyone an overall picture, if you have not been updated.

From the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol, Edward Lawrence is there. What's going on there, Edward?

Well, Neil, yeah, yeah.

A very emotional day, obviously for Christine Blasey Ford, as she's giving her testimony on the verge of tears, as you saw several times, as she recounted, made her accusation saying that judge Brett Kavanaugh, then a teenager and a friend pushed her into a bedroom, then jumped on top of her.

Uh, and she says she felt like she was going to be raped. Now, Senator Dick Durbin in the room says that he wanted a clarification of her memory.

Listen.

Dr. Ford, with what degree of certainty do you believe Brett Kavanaugh assaulted you?

100%.

Now to begin this hearing, the Senator Chuck Grassley, the chairman of this committee said that they have investigated all of the allegations, including Ford's.

My staff reached out to other individuals allegedly at the party, Mark Judge, Patrick Smith, Leland, uh, Kaiser, all three submitted statements to the Senate under penalty of felony, denying any knowledge of the events described by Dr. Ford.

Dr. Ford's lifelong friend, Dr. Ms. Kaiser, uh, stated she doesn't know Judge Kavanaugh and doesn't recall ever attending a party with him.

Now, for her part, the ranking Democrat on the committee, Senator Dianne Feinstein, defended her actions in holding on to this letter for about six weeks.

She reiterated that she wanted this held confidential, and I held it confidential up to a point where the witness was willing to come forward.

And during most of this questioning, they turned it over to a career prosecutor who questioned the memory of Ford.

Would it be fair to say that somebody drove you somewhere, either to the party or home from the party? Correct. Okay. Has anyone come forward to say to you, hey, remember, I was the one that drove you home?

No.

She could also not remember where the party was or what date it happened.

Neal.

All right. Thank you very, very much, my friend. Edward Lawrence on Capitol Hill.

So there's just a bit of an overview. There's more that could be said. I think we need to pay attention, close attention to God's standards here in terms of how do we think through these sorts of things.

Because let me just say this. In God's law, God actually upholds both people. One, he upholds the victim in terms of he gives just penalties for those who have been truly violated. So whether it's theft, whether it's rape, whether it's murder, whatever the case may be, God's standards are just.

They are good. If you read the book of Hebrews in chapter 12, it says that every violation, every sin that took place received a just penalty. So according to the New Testament, the writer of Hebrews in chapter 2, I believe it's verse 14, might escape me at the moment.

The writer of Hebrews says in the New Testament, post-cross, post-resurrection, post-ascension, that every crime, every sin received a just penalty. So it wasn't unjust. Okay? So God's law gives just penalties.

The book of Ecclesiastes says that people's hearts, men's hearts are emboldened to do wickedness when justice is not executed speedily. So when justice is not done in a culture, in a society, when it's not done quickly, it says that men's hearts are emboldened to do wickedness.

So when we lose God's standards of justice in the world, then we see that people's hearts are emboldened to do wickedness. God upholds both things. One, justice, true justice for the victim, but also, and this is very, very critical, God upholds justice and high standards for the accused.

In other words, that whole saying that we have in our culture and society where it says innocent until proven guilty, you ought to know that that is from the Christian worldview. That is from the biblical worldview.

When you look at British common law, when you look at the history of law and what we've got in the United States of America, it all traces right back to the Pentateuch, the five books of Moses. It goes back to the law of God.

Christians in history established civilizations, and they pointed back to the law of God. Of course, I've said this many times before, our first Supreme Court justice, hey, Supreme Court justice, John Jay was a solid, solid Christian, loved God, was heavily involved in missions work and getting Bibles around the world.

When John Jay, our first Supreme Court justice, was writing case law in the United States of America and pointing to law, he actually pointed to the law of God in the Old Testament. And so, in the law of God, God's law does not permit us, ever, does not permit us to receive accusations on the basis of one witness.

I'll give you that verse again. I said at the beginning of the episode, it says a single witness, sorry, Deuteronomy 19 .1. A single witness shall not suffice against a person for any crime or any wrong in connection with any offense that he has committed, only on the evidence of two witnesses or three witnesses shall a charge be established.

Now, of course, when we look at that, we can take the general equity of that law today. Two to three witnesses means two to three independent lines of witness and testimony. So, you could, of course, add to that.

You could add DNA testing. That's a witness. You could also add, but you got to be careful with that. It has to be genuine DNA testing that actually points to that specific person, not, and I only say this because we know of examples of DNA testing being used to say, no, it wasn't his, but it is in the spectrum of men who fall into that category and people actually being charged because DNA falls into a spectrum of men.

So, you got to be careful with that DNA evidence. Even that has to be vetted. So, when we say two to three witnesses, the general equity of that would just say two to three independent lines, DNA evidence.

Of course, a supreme example today would be video cameras. Video camera evidence, of course, counts. So, you can have, you know, not just one person. You can also have other witnesses, but God's law does not permit us.

Does not permit us. It'd be a sin if you did it. Catch that. It would be a sin in God's law for me to receive an accusation against somebody on the basis of a single witness. One line of evidence. God says, you are not permitted to do that, which means it is a sin to receive accusations on the basis of one person's witness.

I think, of course, we need to look at something very critical here, and that's one of the things said in the video, and that is that there were three people who were, who gave sworn statements under penalty of perjury, and they said they had no knowledge of what Dr. Ford is talking about.