Open Air Theology "Lord's day Q&A"

Opening Banter and Introductions

You can say what you want, but you won't around me. I'm a misfit. A misfit in the trailer park at night. A misprint with the sixth sense. Been sick ever since my brother died of an O .D. My two cents never made sense.

Either to me or anyone else inside of the sheet fence. My ninth's fifth on my right side. Tell me what's the bottom line. The bottom line is I'm not right. I'm not left, but this elephant won't fight.

And I can't find my assigned seat to sit in. My theology don't fit in. Black sheep of the Reformation sheep pen. If you got reformed, I'm just another Baptist. Baptized again, the bastard child of Anabaptist.

Child of Reformation society. Cigars, bourbons, and beer cans. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo! What's up, ladies and gentlemen? Welcome to the Open Air Theology Show. My name is Jeff, I'm one of the co-hosts with these two bozos.

But I'm also one of the pastor elders at Covenant Reform Baptist Church in Tallahoma, Tennessee. If you're ever in Tallahoma, Tennessee you want to come hang out with a real OG. What's up? I'm your boy.

Pass it down here to Obrado.

Hi, I am Pastor Braden, I am.

I'm Pastor Braden.

Passing it to Tom. I'm Pastor of Valley Baptist Church.

In Hagerman, Idaho, in the southern Idaho area. It'd be a blessing to see you on Sundays. However, my family and I, we are moving to southern California as I have accepted a call to go be the pastor of Grace Bible Church in Moorpark, California.

It's in Ventura County, if you live in that area, go plant yourself in that church and I would love to see you come December time. I am a co-host with these yahoos who make fun of me and also reformed ex-Mormon.

Also, we have an amazing conference coming up in February Tallahoma, Tennessee.

On sanctification.

It's because you say it so much and you can't say your own name right. Go ahead, Tom.

My name is Tom, I'm with Grace Bible Church in Birney, I'm an evangelist there. We go out on the weekends, every Friday and Saturday, or actually a lot of times Saturday, this next weekend. We're actually going to have a special guest.

The reformed ex-Mormon. He's going to be coming out. Yes, yes, Braden Patterson is going to come to Texas to the free land for about a week. He's going to hang out with me, we're excited about having him down.

We're out of Grace Bible Church in Birney. We do evangelism and excited to have Braden come down. He had a great Lord's Day today.

It was good stuff.

We haven't gotten to that yet.

I'm kicking that off.

Alright, Tom. How was your Lord's Day? Me? Yes. You already started running your mouth.

Okay, yeah, yeah. The evening service was really good. He's not a pastor as of right now but he's graduated from the Master's Seminary I think back in 2009 or 2005-ish. He's a pastor in churches and right now he's just a member.

Of our church.

It was his first time up in the pulpit. I'm talking Tom Pennington style preaching. I mean, good stuff. This guy was solid. We're going through how to grow as a Christian in the evenings. It was fantastic.

His name is Terry Riley. It was really good stuff. We had a great time.

Of worship. And then.

This morning we have another pastor. His name is Owen Lewis. He preached this morning on. What was it this morning? Shoot, I can't remember. My wife just reminded me.

But I forgot.

Anyway, but it was a good time Good Lord's Day.

Very good. How was your Lord's Day, Brandon? I was thinking about his bestie.

To the home.

Brandon.

Wow, thanks a lot.

I was over here reading this message that I sent to him about him hanging out with his bestie, Brandon. Brandon. Scalp, that is. You didn't see that message I sent you?

No, I didn't see it.

Erica.

Don't say that. How dare you. Well, it was a blessed It was a blessed Lord's Day today I gotta preach on this.

You guys know that Brandon Scalp.

Is a good dude.

Yes, he is. 100

100

Brayden Scalp, though, that's just messed up.

You can't tie two names together like that.

Brayden Scalp.

Yeah, that's messed up. So, this Lord's Day was great. I gotta preach on Galatians 4 verse 8 to 11. Just talking about the freedom we have in Christ.

And how.

If we seek to be more and more conformed to the image of the world that we're turning our back on the freedom that Christ has given us and we're going to, we're seeking to be enslaved back to the elemental things of this world.

We're seeking to be enslaved by things that are by nature not God. So, it was a blessing to be able to go through the text. Not God. So, it was a blessing to be able to go through the text.

Is that so?

You need to hear it twice.

Thanks, Tom.

So, I'm a little confused before I tell you how my Lord's Day went. I'm a little confused. Erica, are you really red? Is Erica red? That's what I need to know. Is Erica red? Because.

Erica Harris.

Yeah, is that Sam Harris?

Is this Sam on Erica's Facebook? That's what he said.

No.

Alright, because I was like. She's been really active on here. She's never active.

My wife is very active.

She comes out and gets spiders and everything.

Dude, last show was crazy. I know, man.

She showed you up, bruh. Like, I don't even see how you can be on this week. Like.

Oh, look. That's for you.

I'm gonna go ahead and put this up there. Yep.

So, Debbie, you wanna bring it out real quick and I'll show everybody what Jeff made. Jeff made a beautiful KJB Bible because my wife loves to King James. She loves. She just loves the way it reads. Yeah, I think, who else likes the King James.

On our show?

Well, probably Michelle.

Oh, yeah.

It's our tagline It's part of our name.

Anyway, beautiful Bible. It really is. So, one of the most beautiful Bibles I've seen. It's in black pebble brown ribbons. Five beautiful ribbons on a scholar Bible. What was the name of the scholar? Oh, hold on, here it is.

This is the Bible that took.

Your place in bed because you're out on the couch now.

Don't get cigar smoke on it.

Don't get cigar smoke on it.

Here's the Bible.

Right here. Got the brown ribbons.

And you got the verse right there.

That is nice.

I love it I stroke it.

Smells good.

We're so weird.

I love it. Well, my Lord's Day was really good. I taught Sunday school so we're working through a curriculum on grace and we're looking at the different facets of grace and so it was really good. And then the worship was really, the worship service was really good.

Pastor Cal, he brought it home with the song selection and then I preached on John 14 7 -14 I think it was 7 -14 Knowing Jesus I called to know the Son and we're going to spend three weeks on that.

Spot right there.

It was really good and then afterwards we always have a full meal after every service and I was able to meet with someone today. After church, we got a new family that's seeking membership and the wife of the new family is seeking baptism so next Lord's Day, Lord willing we'll be holding our under tissue bubbles and working through the membership process.

That's awesome.

Evangelism at Bernie Market Days and Opposition on the Street

I got to tell you guys about the evangelism so yesterday we went out to evangelism at Bernie Market Days. Once a month we go to Bernie Market Days and it's kind of like a flea market like in a park and so it's a pretty good crowd but yesterday they were having a car show couldn't even park, cops everywhere I mean bikers up and down the street and everything barely could get in over there so I get over there never had a problem doing evangelism at this park at all and I mean a thousand people at least, plus and we get on the corner.

First time anybody's ever put their hands on me, first time it actually got in my face yeah, old man old man muscle and I turned around and I was sharing the gospel and he starts coming and he grabs my arm and yanks me back the way, you know, and all I could think.

And I looked at him and I said man, I'm not the one man.

I said don't put your hands on me and everything.

And we continued to share the gospel. And then another guy comes up gives me a card with a pentagram on it and yells out, Hail Satan. Big time opposition. Just not something that we're used to out in Bernie at all.

But you know, my response to him was this, I was like, you know what bro I said, you know, God will even have mercy on you if you would just turn away from your sins and it was a blessing to be out there.

Evangelism and people.

Attending our church from evangelism from the events, so I wanted to give.

That report too.

So if you want to be a part of a church that evangelizes and goes out come to Grace Bible Church in Bernie. We'd love to have you come join. The team had to put that in.

For sure, for sure, me and Red went out yesterday. We had a blast man we had some really good gospel conversations had I think three ladies hear the gospel, call on the name of the Lord. Red will have to tell you that story.

Though, I wasn't. I was ministering to some other young ladies. I don't remember so many people stopped last minute. Was trying to get done by 1 .30 because we had a shindig to go to and 1 .25 no one's stopping at all and at 1 .25 just cars started rolling in back to back, back to back conversation.

Same corner you always go to, right?

So we've been switching it up a little bit.

Yeah man, that's awesome.

That was good the Lord the Lord.

Be faithful.

Yeah, for sure.

I spent yesterday.

I heard a rumor though.

That.

Braden Patterson is not the best shooter in his family.

I heard that too.

I would agree with you on that, yesterday I spent the whole day doing all the heavy lifting for my wife, but she had the hair trigger finger that just blopped the deer. I went deer hunting yesterday, found a little buck in the morning and I didn't want to shoot it.

I called a friend up he didn't want to shoot it. My wife thought about it, long and hard about it and she was like, I want to go shoot it. So we went back out in the afternoon.

It was still there.

It was really cool, she had a baby bear baby Nehemiah on her back the whole time and so it was a family hunt got to sneak up 200 yards away from the deer, 200 yard shot. My wife made a 200 yard shot with a gun she has never shot before let me say that again, a 200 yard shot with a gun that she has never shot before 6 .5 Creedmoor and she dropped the deer for a shot.

It was amazing, it was so cool to see. It was her first time ever killing an animal ever shooting an animal and she...

It was awesome.

Uphill, both ways.

Both ways.

It was cool.

After it was all gutted and skinned we weighed it and it was 87 -88 pounds.

Of meat?

Including the bones. That's still a good amount for a little buck like it was.

It was awesome.

She's a little angry right now. Look at that.

Hey! Yeah.

Love you deer.

You better watch how you talk.

That's a high.

I need a high from my wife she can shoot a deer.

She can shoot a deer from 200 feet, you better watch out.

You better behave.

I'll come to Texas early Tom.

You better go home and do the dishes. Boy it was awesome.

Honestly it's probably going to.

Go down in our life as one of the most memorable things I got to do with my wife was to go and hunt with kids, with a kid on her back one year old on her back.

Shooting a deer.

Don't they have a video of that?

I do, yeah.

Are you allowed to show that?

I can see if I can figure out.

Go ahead and keep on chatting I'll get it pulled up here.

Do y 'all want to jump on a question while you're pulling it up. Watch it after a question. I hit that one by accident.

What'd you hit?

Um.

I don't know. Yay. Emily do we have any questions.

There was one at the very beginning.

I know. Ok here it is.

You want me to play this real fast?

Play it and we'll get to the question afterwards.

Alright let me put this up here.

If you have any questions comments or questions.

Yeah. Start putting comments in.

I was going to do something. Brady wanted to talk about something stupid and it didn't go anywhere.

It made Jeff's butt hurt.

Emily look.

Jeff didn't like it.

Jeff did not like it.

I wasn't the only one.

Where's the video?

I'm getting it pulled up.

I thought you had it pulled up.

I'm getting it pulled up there it is.

Get it pulled up Jeff go ahead and pull it up now.

Alright let's pull.

So it's going to be small for you guys just because it's in the photos for a phone or the videos for a phone. You ready? That's a good shot right there.

Boom.

Good job guys.

So that right here.

That picture.

I can't go back. Dang it she's got the baby on her back.

The deer is right.

In this area I think you'll see it. Drop here on the shot.

I don't see any deer.

Oh there was it was right there dang it.

Pull and push.

Good job guys. There it is baby on her back.

Look at that.

Then this is the deer.

Right here there it is.

Right above the cursor.

That's a far walk.

Boom.

Went down.

It was pretty sweet it was pretty awesome.

Definitely.

I just got the skull all done.

As far as well cleaning it off I got to still peroxide it but it's looking good. It's looking real good.

That's cool. Alright let's get to some questions.

Man it's not letting me pull that question up now.

It's messed up.

No I can't get to it.

Hold on let me see if I can get to it.

I can read it.

I'm right here.

I know but I'd like to be able to pull it up.

Hold on. I'm going to paste it. I'm going to paste it.

Ain't that a load of garbage.

There you go.

Alright now this was not asked by. Even if none.

It was asked by Clint Sloane Clint Sloane Sloane.

Sounds like he's trying to pick a fight bro. You don't want none of this I'm telling you son.

This is a legitimate question.

This is a legitimate question.

Deuteronomy 30 and the Circumcised Heart

From a baptist covenant theology perspective.

Look at Jeff. Get all bowed up.

From a baptist covenant theology perspective what does Deuteronomy 36 mean when it says that God will circumcise their hearts and the hearts of their descendants. Also see Isaiah 44 3 and 59 21. I have Deuteronomy 30 here verse 6 and I'll read it real quick and it says in the Lord your God.

Before you read it let's all three grab a passage and we'll read them.

I'll do Deuteronomy 30.

Since I already have it up.

I'll do Isaiah 59 21 Isaiah 44 3.

See how professional we are.

We actually each.

Have a verse to read.

We are systematic.

Reform baptists.

Right real deal. Holyfield.

Okay so Deuteronomy 30 verse 6 says this and the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring so that you will love the Lord with all of your heart with all of your soul that you may live.

And the question was from a baptist covenant theology perspective. What does Deuteronomy 36 mean when it says that God will circumcise their hearts and the hearts of their descendants.

So well I think first you have to look at what is it what does it mean to have a circumcised heart. And we would say that this is regeneration that's given in the new covenant. So this is new covenant language given to the old covenant people.

They I mean over and over. God calls them to circumcise their heart. He calls them to do something that they cannot do right. Regeneration is God circumcising our heart. It's that heart transplant that we read in Ezekiel 36.

So we have to first recognize.

That right. And then also we would want to recognize who is this talking to this is talking this would in Deuteronomy 30 it would be talking to God's covenant people Israel at the at that point in time right.

We would agree with that that God.

Circumcised your heart.

But then he goes and the heart of your offspring so that you will love the Lord your God with all of your heart and your soul and your mind. So this is talking about God's covenant people Israel at that point in time.

Would you guys agree with that. Yes.

So it's first important like first things first it's he speaking to the covenant people of Israel he's just given them the law right. Was you going to say something. Yeah so.

If you go back to the previous chapter in 29 so this is. This is the explaining of the law being given to the people as they are going into the promised land so they are hearing the words of Moses right here.

For of God of course but in chapter 29 just a couple verses just to point out in verse 21. And the Lord will single him out from all the tribes of Israel for calamity and courts with the curses of the covenant written in this.

Book of the law. So okay. So this is talking.

About a covenant law right here. So then you go down later. It says all the nations. Verse 24. Verse 23. The land will be burned out. Verse 24. All the nations will say why has the Lord done this to this land.

Verse 25. Then the people will say let's keep on with that one. It is because they abandoned the covenant of the Lord the God of their fathers which he made with them when he brought them out of the land of Egypt.

And go down.

To verse 29. And let's actually do 28 and 29. And the Lord uprooted them from their land in anger and fury and great wrath and cast them into another land as they are this day. The secret things belong to the Lord our God but the things that are revealed belong to us and our children forever.

That we may do all the words of this.

Law. Keep on reading and go all the way through verses 1, 2, and 3.

I'll just pause here and just say this is speaking in the context of what's going on here and I want to pause here and just ask you guys. I'll keep on reading here in a moment. Tom and Jeff do you have to obey the law in order to stay a covenant and grace member?

Do I have to.

Obey the law to stay?

Yep. Or to enter into and stay within do you have to obey law?

So am I bound by the law? No there's a law and gospel distinction so I'm not bound by the law. Christ fulfilled the law in my place. So this is.

Specifically talking about the covenant of works people Israel right here. That's where I'm trying to go with this. This is something that people can lose covenant status. Gain covenant status based off of obedience.

Verse 1. And when all these things come upon you the blessing and the curses which I have set before you and you call them to mind among all the nations where the Lord your God has driven you and return to you the Lord your God and to you and your children and obey his voice and all that I command you today with all your heart all your soul.

Then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you. And he will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of heaven from the Lord your God will gather you and from there he will take you.

And the Lord your God will bring you unto the land that your fathers possessed that you may possess it and he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers. Who is the only one.

This sounds like to me that there's some conditions here.

Absolutely and let's ask who is the only one that has completely kept.

God's law.

And was a descendant of Israel Jesus Christ.

That's right. Who are the offspring.

Plural of Abraham through faith.

Spiritual Israel.

Or circumcised of the heart.

So this.

Is two tier typology right. The people there were obedient in some cases disobedient in others. They were blessed when they were obedient they were cursed when they weren't. This is ultimately fulfilled in Christ Jesus and this is why we would see language from Hosea out of Egypt.

I have called my son and you go to Matthew and it's applied directly ultimately to Christ. You go to Romans 9 and there's a quotation from Hosea chapter 2 about Israel Old Testament Israel but yet Paul's applying it to the church.

Jews and Gentiles.

Right. So that's the other thing within that covenant then it was made with the nation the covenant people of Israel but it was a it was a physical temporal promise that pointed to a better spiritual.

Promise. And if we want to be honest the answer given right there also covers the other two verses as well. If you just want to be super honest because what it's speaking of is two tier typology you look at and it's type.

And the type the circumcision of the heart is is regeneration it can be nothing else. And so if you say if you want to be real literal when it comes to offspring and stuff like that you have to say that this is speaking of the offspring of Abraham the physical descendants of Abraham.

But when you start talking about the circumcision of the heart and the Holy Spirit and stuff like that we know that this is to those who are in Christ in Christ right. And the Holy Spirit has never promised to our offspring the same way as people would take it.

So in Acts chapter 2 the promise isn't the Holy Spirit. The promise that's for your children isn't the seed. The promise isn't the sign of the covenant. It's the offspring. It's the Holy Spirit. And so God God has never promised to give every one of our descendants our physical children the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit comes to those who believe in Jesus Christ. You cannot baptize them and they get the Holy Spirit. It's for those who repent and believe. And that only takes place in regeneration. I stuttered there a little bit.

Forgive me.

That's okay. You did good Jeff.

You've done good.

But I think that answer basically covers everything the verse that I have this is my covenant with them says the Lord which brings up the spirit. My spirit that is upon you and my words that I have put into your mouth shall not depart out of your mouth or out of the mouth of your offspring or out of the mouth of your children's offspring says the Lord.

From this time forth and forever more. If you want to take that to who it's speaking of the physical descendants of Abraham we know that that's ended it's ended. God's covenant people are those who have faith in Christ.

We are under a better covenant.

We're under a better covenant. You cannot listen. I wish that I could repent and believe for my children. I can't do it I can't sprinkle water on them and the Holy Spirit come and possess them. They have to repent and believe.

And to say the way man I just I just think you're you know you're not being you're not being accurate with the scripture. You're not handling the scriptures the way scriptures need to be handled.

Yeah.

I just love it that it's talking about federal headship and I think Deuteronomy 30 the whole point of it is that I mean go to Romans 3 and how Paul handles the law. No one's righteous no one. The scripture has shut up.

Everyone understand the law was given to hold hold you accountable right. So the law reveals that you have fallen short of the standard of God. And so to be honest with you let's look at Deuteronomy 3 with that in mind that no one's righteous.

No not one. Should anyone have entered the land. No should anyone have been around a spring of water let alone live in any sort of promised state of God in that day physically.

No.

Anytime that they were. Guess what it was God's grace being extended to people.

Absolutely.

We would say that even though this is a clear covenant of works per the previous chapter that says they did not obey they did not continue in this foreign land until today they are not entered the land yet.

These are conditional covenants that are being given to people that have aspects of grace within them but by definition they are a covenant of works.

Right.

And the fact of the matter is that they couldn't they couldn't by the works of the law no man will be justified.

It was impossible.

We need a substitute.

And we can look at the book of Hebrews.

In a way that he that Paul in Hebrews how he deals over and over and over and over again with all these Old Testament laws prophecies ceremonies the land right it was clear that they were looking to a land that was not of this world whose maker was God.

Right like.

They were continually looking forward. Speaking of the heroes of the faith in chapter 11 they were looking not on the physical land. That's not what saved them was their hope in physical land it was the trust in God to bring about something better you know it's.

Interesting. We bring this up because not too long ago a friend of mine was just calling me and asking me about the hermeneutic and he was listening to Abner Chow who is the president of the master seminary.

And he goes to the literal grammatical historical hermeneutic and he would say that this is the historic hermeneutic from all time. And we would agree with that but what they've left out are very important aspects of hermeneutics and its typology.

What else was it pointing to. And then also scripture. Interpreting scripture looking at this through the lens of the new testament. What is the new testament revealed to us in a clearer way than the old covenant.

Had it wasn't revealed to them the same way it has been revealed to us.