April 15, 2021 Show with Dr. Joe Morecraft on “Proper Heroes Put in their Proper Place in the Lives of Christians”

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Well, we are a

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Well, let me apologize for leaving out accidentally the word reformed from Heritage Reformed

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Well, it's not the name of our congregation, but it's the name of the denomination.

Oh, okay.

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Heritage Presbyterian and we're a member of the Reformed Presbyterian Church.

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Well, we are now going to discuss, I think, a very important

issue.

Proper heroes put in their proper place in the lives of Christians.

I think it's an important subject because whoever

our heroes are, we tend to gravitate towards

their thought process, what they believed, the things that were most important to them.

Now, obviously, you and I are dedicated to biblical theology.

We believe in sola scriptura, and we believe strongly in that watchword

of

the and follow our

heroes, no matter who they may be, by just trying to be

identical in everything we think and do to them.

Because the best of our heroes were sinners and had failures and

were not in perfect obedience to the scriptures.

Not that they were intentionally teaching things that were

contrary to the scriptures, but they were human and they were not inerrant and infallible as the

scriptures are.

So I believe, as I know you do, it is good and healthy

for Christians to develop good, solid, biblically faithful heroes while not

turning them into idols.

But if you could tell us about your own thoughts here on the importance of proper

heroes

putting

their proper

place in

the lives

of Christians.

I think it

could

not some

degree or another.

Well, Eric

Little

didn't.

That was

a long time

ago,

though.

I had lunch with his daughter one

time at an Olympic Games.

Wow.

If our listeners are unfamiliar with Eric Little, he was an American.

He was an Olympian athlete in, was it

the 20s or 30s?

Yes, and he refused to run on the Sabbath on Sunday.

Yeah, I reckon me and you watched four or

five times.

Yes, and what a tragedy that the actor that played him,

who really superbly played him, turned out to be a homosexual.

That was a devastating blow.

I don't even want to think about

that.

But anyway,

that's

also the

perfect

man

that

ever lived,

and he's

the only

mass

humanity

that

we

ought

not to use

as a

model

in our

heroes.

But I

have

all

kinds

of

historical

heroes I've never heard

of.

Well, you

actually made me

sigh

with relief when you said my audience wouldn't know who these people are necessarily, because I thought you were going to embarrass me

and mention me.

I'm often

told people you're one of my heroes.

Well, I'm honored.

I was just kidding, of course.

No, because of how God is using you literally all over the world.

There are

various eras

in history

where there's

Mully Church,

modern

evaluation

of

the

first

Wow.

Wow.

I never heard that story.

And so I often tell people, do you need to?

Yes.

And as a

result of

Patrick and did

that our

ancient

Irish.

Yeah.

Now, where

were you

born?

Sir, where were you born?

Southern West Virginia.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I thought you said Ireland.

I'm

sorry.

No.

And

so

Columbo

was the

head of this and

led to pick

people

and to stop.

But

if

you remain

seated

on

his bishop,

hundreds

of

years

later, all

through

history,

have

a lot

of

great.

By the way, can you pick it?

Can you pick up where you left off on Merle D 'Aubigny?

Because we have to go to our first break right now.

Sure.

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heroes, proper heroes in your life.

Yes, sir.

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It means absolutely nothing.

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I believe you have a very high regard for Vody Balcom as well, don't you, Dr. Moorcraft?

I most certainly do.

His daughter was at my wedding, and he was

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Amen, and a good one at that, and one of mine as well.

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That's also the email address to send in a question to Dr. Joe Moorcraft on our theme today,

Proper Heroes Put in Their Proper Place in the Lives of Christians.

Dr. Moorcraft, you can pick up where you left off when we went

into

the

middle

way

break.

One

more

middle

way

break.

Roland

Baton's book?

Yes,

Roland

Baton,

I met him one time.

Really?

I thought it

was excellent myself.

Oh, it was magnificent.

You could become a Christian by reading it.

Joseph Fiennes played Martin Luther?

Yes, sir, and it was...

Okay.

I

mean, I

think everybody was saying to themselves who has seen the woodcut of Luther, what is going

on?

That doesn't look like Luther.

Yeah, but I mean... I heard one other thing by my friend

Dr. William Webster, who is a historian.

I read his book on Roman Catholicism.

Yes, he's actually... he's written several books on Roman Catholicism, another thing, but he said

the only thing that he could detect that was wrong, except for that obvious one that you mentioned, was

there's a scene with Luther preaching and people are sitting in pews, and he said that they would have been standing.

The pew sitting was a later development, at least according to William.

That's what he said.

That's probably about the other man,

somebody called the police.

Well, you gotta

follow up.

You gotta tell us what happened.

Nothing.

Nothing

happened.

That's

funny.

Yeah,

there

is

another

book I

haven't...

Wow,

praise

God.

Wow.

Just out

of

curiosity,

have

you

ever

heard

of

a

book that I read many years ago, when I was a brand new Christian, that I really

enjoyed?

There's less than 200 pages, and it's out of print also, called Calvin A Life

by Emanuel Stickelberger, and I just loved it, and

perhaps somebody of your scholarship could, if you had read it, would be able to tell me how accurate it was,

but it was a very favorable biography about Calvin.

I have never read it.

Well, I hope that you can get your hands on it and let me know what you think of it.

I would love to.

Yes, sir.

It was first published in 1961, I believe.

Not only did

he

not

burn

any...

Practically

dragged

him

there

against his

will.

Yeah, he said to Calvin, Calvin didn't want to go,

and that shook Calvin.

But he did consent to the execution, did he not?

Sir?

Did he not consent, however, to the execution, even though he was...

Well, he believed Deuteronomy 15, and he believed

that

Adolescent...

Right.

Wow.

I don't

know how I

missed

that in

that

story.

So we may...

Wow.

Yeah, I did

an

interview on him.

I can't remember the guest.

It may have been Bill Shishko, your friend, our mutual friend.

Probably.

Hey, Calvin said...

Wow.

By the way, we have to go to our final break, and you can pick up where you left off.

It's going to be a much shorter break than the other breaks.

If you have a question, send it in immediately to chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com.

We do have a few people waiting to have their questions asked and answered, so please be patient with us.

We'll get to as many of you as possible.

Don't go away.

We'll be right back with Dr. Joe Moorcraft.

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to the Roots of Reformational Pastoral Theology.

Amen.

Well, we do have a few listener questions for you.

Let's see, we have Arnie in Perry County, Pennsylvania, who said,

how do you respond to the accusation that we who are Reformed only

believe what we believe because we are hero worshipers?

They say that we could never come up with the stuff Calvin and other great Reformed

heroes taught out of the Bible alone.

Now,

there's

nothing wrong

with

using

God's own

books and

God's own

stuff.

I

gave

a copy.

Amen.

Amen.

In fact, I came to the Doctrines of Grace when someone

gave me a booklet called George Whitefield's Letter to John Wesley on Election.

Oh, yeah.

And I did not know.

I was a new Christian.

I did not know who George Whitefield was.

I did not know who John Wesley was, and at that time could not care less.

But it was the biblical argumentation of George Whitefield that drove me

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But within a month or two, I fell in love, madly in love with those teachings.

That's about the same thing that happened to me, too.

Ha!

Let's see here.

We have RJ in White Plains, New York.

And RJ says, should Christians ever have heroes that are not Bible

-believing Christians?

Like, for instance, some Reformed folks I know have as heroes Roman Catholics

like G .K. Chesterton.

Or we were even hearing on Chris's show the other day that R .C. Sproul had

a sports hero from the Pittsburgh Pirates, Roberto Clemente.

Is

that

a proper thing?

Well, I

heard

the same.

That is a good

question, and I'm glad he

asked it.

Yes, and

Roberto

Clemente,

I don't

know

if he was

a Christian

or not, but he died doing a noble cause.

He was bringing aid to, I believe it was Nicaraguans after an earthquake,

died in the plane crash in 1972.

Yeah.

But anyway, well, thanks for the excellent question.

We have time for one more question.

We have Susan Margaret in Dauphin County, Pennsylvania, who wants to know, are there

any very popular heroes in the Christian church today that you would say Christians should stop

idolizing as heroes?

I can immediately think of one, Charles

Finney.

Yeah, I mean, yes.

Yeah, let's do that.

That's when you get off the, when the program goes off the air, let's schedule another interview.

There are some people today

that

are, I

call them

celebs.

Amen,

and

we're

out of

time,

and

folks,

remember

the

website

for Heritage Presbyterian

Church of Cumming, Georgia is heritagepresbyterianchurch .com,

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I want to thank you so much, Dr. Morgrath, for proving once again what a superb guest you are

and an encyclopedic mind that you have, and we look forward to having you back on to continue this

subject in the near future.

I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who took the time to write in questions.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you

are a sinner.