July 26, 2005

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Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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Finishing the Adrian Rogers Study and Setting Up the Next DVD

And welcome to the dividing line a radio free Geneva today. Yes indeed as we have announced we have Much to do today. No question about it need to finish up that Adrian Rogers study. We've been doing for a very very very very very very very long time.

And then we are going to be moving on to a DVD a two sermon two hour DVD that I received this week called five reasons why I am NOT a Five point Calvinist by dr. SM Davis. The main reason is not there's anything particularly new here.

Not anything. We haven't refuted a dozen times over before but This is the perfect example of what happens when someone who is a good preacher in other words is Able to speak with clarity speak with pacing is not constantly stopping and wandering off this direction of that direction when a person who is clearly able to speak with a passion and in an understandable fashion speaks on the basis of the Horrifically poor information and simple falsehoods of One Dave Hunt.

Yes, dr. Davis even held up What love is this during the course of the sermon as his primary source? And so if you'd like to hear what happens when Dave Hunt's material meets a person who can actually speak and Present it with some level of passion.

Then that is what we'll be looking at. The first we need to finish up with the Adrian Rogers. We're about 26 minutes in a presentation. I'm going to try to allow Him to speak and and try not to be doing too much interruption I do interrupt.

I will be doing so on a brief basis so that we can get Get on with other presentations. So we continue Adrian Rogers a college Bible study on hyper Calvinism Which as we have already seen is actually just Calvinism.

There's inaccuracy in his presentation at that point. I'm not at all now.

John the Baptist and the Lamb of God for the World

Look, if you will in in in John chapter 1 verse 29. Or just let me quote it to you if you turn to it if you want to. John the Baptist saw the Lord Jesus Christ coming and he said behold the Lamb of God that take of the way the sins of the elect.

No behold The Lamb of God that take of the way the sin of the world. And of course I would respond.

How about let's talk about what does it mean to take away? The one taking away. If you want to make this every single individual then all their sin has been taken away. What is the ground of the condemnation of those whose sins have been born by the Lamb of God?

You have to start either with the unbelief stuff and make unbelief a sin that's not born or all the rest of stuff. It's so easy to preach tradition. But it's impossible to do it with consistency in the light of the Word of God.

Do you do you know what motivated the Apostle Paul? Do you know what made Paul the greatest missionary soul winner that ever lived? It wasn't hyper Calvinism. I'll tell you what it was you turn to. 2nd Corinthians chapter 5.

Well, you know Paul himself said I endure all things for the sake of free will. No sake of the elect. That's right. That's that was Paul's own description of his own situation.

Boy, you know, I really appreciate hearing these pages turn. This is neat. Look with me in verse 13. Now they said they said that that Paul was crazy. I mean Paul they said Paul you're out of your mind.

You're beside yourself and he says whether we be beside ourselves. It is to God or whether we be sober. It's for your cause. For the love of Christ constraineth us because we thus judge that if one died for all Then we're all dead.

How many did Jesus die for? All.

All. If one died all the dead Jesus died for all the dead. I Mean when you think about this all thing does that mean. Jesus died for all the people who were who were under God's punishment before? his death.

So so God the Father Puts the the the sins of people that are already under his punishment. He's already punishing them for their sins, but he also puts their sins on Christ for no reason whatsoever. All died who has died with Christ the people in hell.

I Mean these are seem to me to be very basic questions. That that someone of Adrian Rogers clear intelligence and intellect and capacity Would have to have thought of at some point in time. But it doesn't come out here for all then.

We're all dead. That he that died for all that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves But unto him that died for them and rose again. Now what Paul is saying is this is what motivates me.

I'm not crazy.

But for him who died and rose again on their behalf the resurrection of Christ according to Paul results in what our justification. Isn't that why Christ rise again the justification, you know Romans 4.

So who's justified in Romans 8? Those that are the predestined and then called justified glorified Paul's perfectly consistent. It's only when you import Armenian traditions Evangelical traditions in that the whole thing becomes a mishmash of contradiction.

They were all dead and.

Jesus died for all and. And and if you don't say that Jesus died for all you might as well just with the same logic say all we're not doing. That an Adam all did not die, but the Bible says and Adam all died even so in Christ are all made alive.

So if we follow that logic to its conclusion We must be universalist, right? Is he making the humanity and Adam equal to the humanity in Christ or does not Adrian Rogers believe that at the end time? You'll have the humanity that's in Christ Which will be saved and the humanity remains in Adam, which will be lost.

So are the ones who were in in Adam alive at one point then died again. I mean Just it's enough to it's I mean it's it's almost insulting to Paul. To so ignore his own theology in the consistence of his theology.

Simply for the sake of tradition like this. It's just it's very frustrating friend. It's the Jesus death. Was there not now the the. The hyper Calvinist the ultra Calvinist will say no. If you say that Jesus death Was for all in all don't get saved then that makes his death ineffectual.

It means he's not father. I want to ask you a question. When God said the children of Israel was man in the wilderness. Do you think all the manna was eaten. You think some of the lay on the ground didn't get picked up, of course.

Of course, did that mean that God didn't do it or God was not showing love and mercy just because some manna was not taken. If if God offers his love and his love is not received That doesn't mean God has failed.

It means man has failed.

The Manna Analogy and the Extent of the Atonement

Okay, let's see if we can. Let's see if we can cover this. The intention of Christ in Salvation and in offering himself as a sacrifice for sin is to be paralleled with the dropping of manna from heaven so the only way to make that work would be it was the intention of God in Dropping every piece of man forever every piece to be eaten by an Israelite.

Is it. It's sorry, but that has got to be One of the worst analogies I have ever heard. The manna falling from the heaven Heavens is the same as the intention of the Father Son and Spirit in the death of the Son of God.

Wow, okay.

God is love. Now here's here's the next thing they believe limited atonement. That Jesus only died for some he didn't die for all. I reject that because of these scriptures that are so clear and so plain He is the propitiation for our sin and not far as only but also for the whole world.

And the word.

Propitiation is much more clear than the fact that John uses the term world at least 14 different ways. Does he use propitiation 14 different ways? Dr. Rogers? No, he does not. So why do you take the unclear term and Set it up as being obvious.

When the clear term you then turn into something. It's meaningless. Hmm then the last one.

Irresistible grace. That that I mean you're gonna get saved no matter what. If you're elect God's gonna catch you God's gonna zap you and You're gonna be saved.

God's gonna catch you. God's gonna zap you. I gotta admit, you know when I hear men who at other times extol the grace of God in Regeneration and in the grace that saves to hear them describing the sovereignty of God in the resurrection of the elect in the regeneration of the elect in in in that Effective grace bringing about the salvation like I gotta admit.

It's it's rather offensive very offensive to hear that. I mean that's blasphemous. Let's just put I'm sure that dr Rogers doesn't mean to be that That way but his tradition is is allowing him to in essence mock a a wonderful divine truth that otherwise he would not and that's really another reason why we must be very careful about our.

Traditions in that fashion. That that you cannot resist the Holy Spirit of God.

Well, you cannot resist the Holy Spirit of God when he moves to bring about the regeneration of dead sinners. So now we're going to be treated to More straw man argumentation where men have resisted the Spirit of God in other contexts rather than the context Allegedly being addressed.

And why haven't we heard that one a million times before you turn back. Chapter 7. We go act chapter 7 completely different context, but we're gonna go there anyways. Writing stone and.

He I'll tell you why he got stoned because of the message he preached and He says to them in verse 51 Ye stiff-necked And uncircumcised in heart and ears. Ye do always resist The Holy Ghost as your father's did so do you now tell me that the Holy Spirit can't be resisted.

Stephen said he could if anyone believe you do always resist The Holy Ghost sure the Holy Spirit can be resisted just not Jesus said and and the scripture we read to you from Matthew 23 verse 37. I would.

But you would not. Classic passage over in Proverbs. Turn to Proverbs chapter 1 with me for just a moment. I think that makes it about as clear as any passage beginning in verse 22. God is speaking and He says how long you simple ones will you love simplicity and the scorners delight in the scorning and fools hate knowledge?

Turn you at my reproof. Behold I will pour out my spirit unto you. I will make known my words unto you Because I have called and ye refused I've stretched out my hand and no man regarded, but ye have said it not all my counsel and would none of my reproof.

I Also will laugh at your calamity and I will mock when your fear. Comment hey, isn't this plain folks that he can be resisted. Going down to verse 27 when your fear cometh its desolation and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind.

When distress and anguish cometh upon you then shall they call upon me and I will not answer. They shall seek me early, but they shall not find me for that. They hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the Lord.

They would none of my counsel. They despised my reproof. Therefore shall they eat the fruit of their own way and be filled with their own devices.

That's Romans chapter 1 description of all men outside of grace. Nothing here even slightly relevant to the issue of Calvinism only to the straw men that our minions love to throw up and and.

And beat upon for a while for the turning away of the simple shall slay them and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them. But who so hearken it? Unto me shall dwell safely and he shall be quiet from fear of evil.

It's so clear that God speak But God gives man the right to say no.

This this is doesn't it say. Man always says no there.

This is not irresistible great and has nothing to do with their grace. Does it suppose one of you girls boy? Friend. And He begins to pour the sugar in your ear and tell you how much he loves you. But you don't like him but he says I love you and Then you get a little nervous.

And you kind of want to get rid of it, but he keeps following you and he says I love you. I Love you very much. You feel fine, but. No, no, no, he says I Really love you. Well So long no, no, no, listen, I love you so much I'm not gonna let you go.

I'm going to make you love me. Hmm love is a contradiction in terms. There's no such thing as forced love. No the idea that God has some irresistible Grace. Something that you said you say well, I don't want to be say well you're gonna be say I don't want you're gonna be saved.

I am going to make you Love me.

The Unpardonable Sin and Human Resistance to God

Again It is sad to see someone of dr. Rogers stature so dishonest so enslaved to tradition so Giving in to straw men. I can't assume that he knows any better, but but he certainly should. There's no question about that.

You all remember well those of you who've listened to the Rutland debate remember that He raised the same issue and and I started preaching for a little while. I've got I will admit I started preaching for a few moments Because of the fact that when I hear people using this term force to describe the loving action of God in Changing a slave of sin a person in love with their sin of a person in love with their own self-destruction Removing that heart of stone and giving a heart of flesh.

When I hear that described Spiritual resurrection raised to life the the chains remember that you know that beautiful song that we sing my chains fell off my heart was free. I Rose henceforth and followed the you know, that's what is being described as force.

That's what's being described as a stalker. Oh That's so sad. That is so sad. That's why these people won't debate because because if they were to do so it comes out very clearly in debate that this kind of Canard this kind of straw man this kind of dishonest argumentation.

It doesn't survive, but that's why they won't do it. Because they know they can't they they know deep down inside and I feel for anyone who who has so little Belief in what they believe that they can't accurately represent positions against their own.

That's a that's a it's a horrible position to be in. It truly is that's ridiculous.

That's not love at all. I Mean you become a robot. That's not love. God gives us the privilege of saying no so we can have the delight of saying yes To him, but they call this irresistible grace. Now if if if God's Holy Spirit is irresistible.

Would you explain to me what the unpardonable sin is? Explain what the unpardonable sin you see. The Lord speaks of the unpardonable sin you might turn to it in Matthew 12 for a moment and look at it for just a moment.

Beginning verse 22 then was brought unto him one possessed with the devil blind and dumb and he healed him in so much that the blind And dumb both fake and saw and all the people were amazed and said it's not this the son of David.

But when the Pharisees heard it, they said this fellow doth Doth not cast out devils but by deals above the prince of the devils and Jesus knew their thoughts and said every kingdom divide against Itself is brought to desolation and every city or house divide against itself shall not stand and if Satan cast out Satan He is divided against himself.

How then shall his kingdom stand? Why Jesus is saying I'm not in collusion with the devil I'm in collision with him and If I buy Beelzebub cast out devils and by the way The word Beelzebub means the Lord of the flies if I buy Beelzebub cast out devils by whom do your children cast them out?

Therefore they shall be your judges. Now the point is God was speaking and the Lord had done a miracle and the Holy Spirit was working. But then Jesus goes on to say in verse 31. I'll fast forward. Wherefore I say unto you all manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men and Whoever whosoever speaketh the word against the Son of Man it shall be forgiven him.

But whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world neither in the world come. Now that's the most extraneous passage of Scripture I've ever seen if if people can't be forgiven anyway, I Mean if they're not part of the elect.

I mean what what what is the sense of that?

I'm sorry, but it just When when people raise absolutely Ridiculous arguments it's like saying well, you know if if if the elect are known to God then there's there's no reason the Bible for there to be anything about how we should live our lives and and there should be no Preaching and and and it the whole thing.

So, okay. Let me see. So God if he ordains the ends cannot Ordain the means by which we are conformed the image of Christ. He cannot give us direction in his word as to how we are to please God and he cannot have a discussion of The unforgivable sin which in fact was about religious people who were so religious and so exposed to light that they would have become so twisted in Their their love of the praise of men that they call that which is black white and white black That which is good evil and evil good and that's what made it Unpardonable, by the way, it's not the seriousness of the sin But the state of the soul of the person who committed it that it reveals that is actually an issue there.

But but God can't have a discussion of that if we have election. What I mean.

What what difference would it make of a person blaspheme the Holy Ghost or whether he didn't if he's not of the elect it. It makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.

Except of course, dr I just we don't know who the elect are and if God wants to tell us about these things and warn us about these things.

He's sovereign. He can do so. Why are you complaining about it? I mean that there's there's no rhyme. No reason no nothing to that. But the the so-called unpardonable sin doesn't make any sense at all if that is.

That's what it's all about. Now the last is the P perseverance of the same. I Believe in the eternal security to believe just as I believe in election for nation and Predestination, but I really don't believe it's even the perseverance of the same.

I believe the perseverance of the spirit. Philippians 1 verse 6 says he who hath begun a good work, and you will perform unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The hyper Calvinist Says this he says If you claim to be a saint and at the end of your life have a spiritual blowout You're going to hell because you did not persevere.

They believe only the elect persevere. So those who do not elect Don't persevere. This sounds so much like Armenian ism. It's it's crazy. Wow, man. Oh it.

Again you may be listening and maybe you don't know what reformed theology is so you don't realize just how. How so many of these these men who stand before the people of God choose to address subjects about which they know nothing.

They they they learned some traditions back in the seminary and Bible school, and they just they just run with it. Same thing with the the upcoming thing we're gonna look at this dr. SM Davis. He he talks about you know he he doesn't believe in the perseverance of Saints either.

He believes in the preservation of Saints. There's no difference the only reason you have the perseverance the Saints is what it's saying is that since Christ is the one who saves and Since that divine work is his then it's going to have the results the Word of God says it's going to have in the lives of the believers and that they are going to Persevere in their faith not out of themselves because their faith is a divine faith and because they have a perfect Savior.

My goodness. How simple that is? What does it say? About the entire range of these sermons that we have been examining that these people can never once Accurately represent what they say they're denying.

What does it say it says to me that they're wrong. That they they cannot argue against the truth and that they love their traditions more than they love the truth. That's what it tells me. Now what that says about their hearts, that's something I can't judge.

But it certainly tells me that on the level of simple matters of truth. These folks are not functioning the way Christians should function.

But that's what they believe and and they will tell you this, you know, if at right at the end. If you if you have a spiritual blowout if you fail you do this or that then you just weren't one of the elect and.

So you didn't persevere. But old friend if it's the perseverance of the spirit, he who has begun a good work in you. Will perform which of course? Really? All right. I take all five points of. Of tulip.

It went in its extreme form and I just reject that. What's the non extreme form. Arminianism? Now, let me just say a few words in conclusion and then we'll ask some questions and. Look at some other scriptures that seem to teach contrary to what we have said.

Election, Foreknowledge, and Predestination

I Want to say that God is sovereign. Agree to that the sovereign. A sovereign is a king. He's king. You didn't vote him in you won't vote him out. God is sovereign. Election and predestination are biblical.

Election is based on foreknowledge. Election is based on foreknowledge. Turn to 1st Peter chapter 1 with me just a moment. Now look in verses 1 and 2. Peter an apostle Jesus Christ to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus Pontus Galatia Cappadocia Asia and Bithynia.

Elect and watch this. According to the foreknowledge of God. Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. Now God lives in eternity. We live in time. Don't get the idea that eternity is just a whole lot more time.

We get that sometimes like when we sing songs like amazing grace. We've been there 10 ,000 years bright shining as the Sun was no less days to sing God's praise than when we first begun. That's just poetry.

That's not Bible when we get up in eternity. Time is irrelevant. It does not pertain. Now, you know, we say God's sovereign, but if some things God can't do for example, God can't lie in that room. He cannot lie to something else.

God can't do. God can't learn anything. God can't learn anything. How could God learn anything? He knows it all.

God knows the beginning and he knows the end and I appreciate that that affirmation the open theists in the audience are Becoming ill at this particular point in time. I would suggest however that if dr. Rogers were consistent with the affirmation He just made he wouldn't have been able to say half the things he just said and he would not be able to make the statement he's about to make and That is obviously that he's going to base God's choice of man, he's gonna deny unconditional election.

He's gonna make a conditional upon the choice of man. He's going to make all of salvation the very thing whereby God Glorifies himself. He's going to have to put it in the hands of sinners Unregenerate God haters who never seek God.

There's no fear of God before their eyes, but it's all up to them. And so when God created time The only way to make this work is to say he just shot the dice. But even then he still would have had to have come to know What free agents were going to do in time?

This this whole. And if you listen to the Bible answer and broadcast we kept coming back this we never got an answer because you can't get an Answer there isn't an answer that that at least can even begin to make biblical sense.

As to how God can know what men are going to do. You guys start getting into Mullin ism and middle knowledge and and and all the rest of stuff to try to find some philosophical means without any biblical basis Whatsoever some philosophy To protect the sovereignty of man in this case.

He knows the middle. He knows it all he sees it all.

I mean if God were to learn something He would not be on mission. God Knew I was gonna scratch my ear. He knew that for the world came in. He knew I was gonna stretch scratch the road. Has it ever occurred to you that nothing ever occurs to God.

Everybody heard that God is God. He knows the beginning from the end why God gave you a will and God has already known what you're going to do with that way and.

Because God knows what you do with that will you. And since God created knowing that could you do differently? Um. And no, we don't have the audience question. So no, I don't know if anybody asked who are elect.

According to the foreknowledge of God now because God knows it doesn't mean God called me the man named Haley Who studied about a comet and he knew exactly when the comet was going to appear. Now knowing when the comet's gonna appear didn't mean.

That he made it appear now. Listen to that. There you go again at least. Haley's comet is much better much much better than certain other illustrations that we could think of of singers divorcing for example.

But it's no different because Haley came to passively learn about the orbit of Haley's comet and to predict it and to say that God's knowledge of The future is analogous to how men Discover the order of nature is to put them in the God of position of learning which he just said God does not.

Armenians Cannot come up with a consistent epistemology. They cannot come up with a consistent theology of God. Can't do it not possible.

Haley's comet just appeared right on time because he had foreknowledge that the of the comet would appear and. And God's foreknowledge of my salvation does not mean that God Gives me irresistible grace and I'm a part of a special elect group that he did not die for the whole world.

The order is foreknowledge election and predestination. Election looks backward to foreknowledge. Predestination looks forward to destiny.

Now, of course. Nowhere does dr. Rogers in this nor in his sermons on Romans 9 that we addressed About three years ago now. Deal with the actual meaning of the term foreknowledge and for no notice once again.

And I know I'm a broken record here, but repetition is important. We once again have to repeat the fact that to simply equate The noun form with the verb form as he just did he went to Romans 8. He went from first Peter the lectern foreknowledge now he goes to Romans where it's a verb God foreknew and He equates them.

Now can they be equated? There are certain certainly there are nouns and verbs that have same reference and things like that. But does he even bother to deal with the scholarly information that is right there?

Right in front of him. It's in his personal library. If he went to Kittles Theological Dictionary of the New Testament if he were to look up Progonosco. And if you were to read it, it's right there in front of him.

Why not deal with it. Why not? Why not let that impact your your theology? Well because it it doesn't fit well with your tradition. You see.

God saw a street fighting teenage boy in West Palm Beach. That's me 15 year old kid. I've been getting in a lot of trouble skipping school getting in fights telling lies cheating. Using bad language. God saw that boy repenting of his sin.

He said that's one of my life think about that think about what was just said I God saw a dead rebel sinner. Who was better? than other dead rebel sinners because He was gonna repent. God didn't cause it.

No. No. No, even though acts tells us, you know, you open Lydia's heart, but no, no, no, no, no, no that that that wouldn't infallibly result in faith and even though acts 1348 that those who were in danger not well, but but Wow Wow, and so someday Adrian Rogers will stand before God and he'll be able to look at all of those people There on the parapet of hell screaming their hatred of God and said hi The grace of God it did 99 of it.

But you know without that 1 I did that I'd be down there because God couldn't save me. No I Couldn't save me without my assistance. God couldn't save me without my act of free. Well, if they had just done that they could be here, too.

That's what he just said. I know that's not what he intends to say. It's his tradition. It's ignorance. But that's what he said. And man, we're talking about important stuff here. You know if this was just simply but some discussion about you know, different eschatological viewpoints I I would never even I wouldn't even be taking this time.

We're talking about how God Glorifies himself in the gospel and when you stand before the people of God and you don't do your homework. Well.

What's more important God saw him trusting Jesus. He said he's one of my elect and He's gonna be like Jesus. It's predestined. Whom he foreknew then he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his son first Peter 1 verse 2 we are elect according to the foreknowledge of God.

Now you say well pastor. Why'd you take all the time to come up here? And I'm by the way, let me just say this about this thing if you take this kind of doctrine and Tell some people I mean this this hyper Calvinism.

It'll make infidels out of them.

Excuse me, dr. Rogers. Aren't they already infidels? I Just I am so tired of hearing Arminian say Calvinism will make people atheists. They already hate God. They already are rebellion against God they're spiritually dead there's no fear of God before their eyes and You know what the truth of God will in fact make reprobate people even more angry at God.

You know what? That's true. But that's what the gospel does. Dr. Rogers. It's the stench of death in the nostrils of those who are perishing but to us the elect who are being saved It is the very aroma of life.

Isn't that what Peter Paul said? Didn't Paul say that the gospel is Foolishness, it's moronic. It's silliness. It's a stumbling block to those who are perishing but to those who are the called. It's completely different, isn't it?

You see dr. Rogers you just turn that upside down with your little foreknowledge idea that isn't accurate to the biblical text you let you presented the exact opposite of the biblical presentation and you must hear that.

That must be said you cannot compromise on these things. This isn't just a matter of opinion.

We're talking about issues of truth here, it'll cause them to turn against God all together. Tell you why? Think about little babies that die. How many babies die in the world today. Little babies that die.

Think about the little babies there.

Let's not go to the Bible. Let's talk about little babies.

Well, let me ask you a question. Are the little babies that died that are not part of the elect? Did they go to hell.

Where do we hear this one recently? Yeah, I heard the Bill Rutland debate. Didn't we had a little discussion about it. Tried to talk about this on a biblical level tried to talk about think of all the passages in the Bible that talk about election and the sovereignty of God the deadness of man and sin and How does Adrian Rogers finish this.

Because we've only got like 30 seconds of this left before it ends. With a discussion of little babies. Little babies. Well, where on earth does the Bible address that? Talk about completely abandoning The biblical text.

Just completely abandoning the biblical text and I don't know what answer he's. You know, I'm I'm sure he probably takes the. All babies who die in infancy go straight to heaven abortions the greatest heaven-filling device ever devised by man.

I'm sure he takes that position. I can I can just guarantee it, but is it odd? That our minion who demands a freewill act of man in That instance would violate his own principles at least when I say it's up to the sovereignty of God.

He can save whom he wants to save. I'm consistent my principles. He's not.

In consistency is not honoring to God. Do they go to hell those little babies. They didn't know the name. They never did any good or evil.

Some of them never even got born. They they they never did a good and evil personally, but I sure do hope that wasn't a denial of original sin there.

Because if it was then why'd they die? I have a little baby boy and in heaven I'm sure he's been. But I couldn't be sure if I thought what he might not be one of the elect. Well, you say well Adrian maybe a little boys not in heaven.

Maybe he wasn't one of the elect. I don't want to serve a God let my little baby. You never knew his name. Die and fry. You might you think I believe that. Well, you say mother all the little babies that die are elect and I think that's where the mp3 ended.