March 21, 2017 Show with Carl Trueman on “Martin Luther: Theologian of the Cross” PLUS Mark Chanski on “Stare Your Worst Fears Right in the Eye”

Iron Sharpens Iron Introduction and the Theme of the Cross

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Carl Trueman on Martin Luther and the Theology of the Cross

That will be the second hour, but I'm so delighted for the first hour that we have returning to the program Dr. Carl Truman who holds the Paul Woolley chair of church history and his professor of church history at Westminster Theological Seminary.

He has written more than a dozen books is currently co-editing with Bruce Gordon the Oxford Handbook of Calvin and Calvinism, which is due this year. He writes online regularly at first things .com. He's an ordained minister in the Orthodox Presbyterian Denomination and he is the pastor of Cornerstone Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Ambler, Pennsylvania.

And he co-hosts the podcast mortification of spin and this website had 2 .5 million users last year and that's very impressive and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to I am sharpens iron Dr. Carl Truman.

It's great to be here. Thanks for having me on. It's my pleasure and we are going to be discussing today with Dr. Truman Martin Luther theologian of the cross and we are also going to be promoting two events where Dr. Truman is speaking first.

He's going to be at the Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology and That will be April 28th through the 30th at Proclamation Presbyterian Church in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania and God willing I will be there as well with an exhibition booth for iron sharpens iron radio and Then following that Another event where I plan to be God willing is the faithful shepherd pastors retreat at Harvey Cedars, New Jersey Which is on Long Beach Island In New Jersey and that's going to be May 15th through the 17th, but dr. Truman we are by the the graciousness and generosity of Crossway, we're giving away some copies of Reformation theology a systematic summary Tell us about your participation in that book because there are quite a number of contributors to that book.

Yeah, well my teaching about well, I'm pretty sure that it will be spectacular if you have any involvement.

And you are going to be speaking at the Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology and the theme that Martin Luther a theologian of the cross. I understand that although you are a Calvinist you are an Orthodox Presbyterian after all and all Orthodox Presbyterians are thoroughgoing Calvinist.

But it seems that Martin Luther is actually a figure from Church history that seems to be nearer and dearer to your heart than John Calvin is.

Yeah, it's first came across. Luther still wonder and.

And theologian of the cross is the subtitle of your speaking theme Martin Luther theologian of the cross. Tell us exactly what you mean by that as far as a focus on Luther's theology and doctrine.

After he but before he's regular meeting of the Augustinian order of monks. But while he's there, he makes this theologian of glory in a field. We might say that a theologian of glory assumes that God is Like him which you and I might think and operate.

For example, I want you to like me. What am I going to do? I'm going to do nice things for you in order to to the theologian of glory assumes that God is like him and thinks like That and therefore has this vision.

The cross is not the one who if you like looks at the world around and assumes God is like that. The theologian of the cross is the one who looks to where God has revealed himself to be in order to understand who God is.

Towards us united to this and he knows say that the king or today the president of the United States. Like that any much bigger it could. Joel and the theologian of the cross looks to rethink on its head.

Crucify his own expectations about God and accept God for who he has revealed himself to be in the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross.

When you say one of the reasons why the cross is such a focal theme as we celebrate the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation in that Rome really diminishes the glory and power and accomplishment of Christ on Calvary they basically, even though they perhaps would not Verbalize it quite this honestly, but they are really saying that what Christ did is insufficient and that we need to commingle what we have done and do and what the Saints have done in order to be worthy of heaven.

And it really. Doesn't it rob Christ of of his accomplishment and his his glory on the cross. We do have a listener in Runnels, Iowa named Chris and Chris says thank you for having dr. Truman on to discuss this topic.

I believe I have read that Martin Luther's main discussion of the theology of the cross occurred shortly after the 95 theses in 1517. I have also heard from multiple sources that Luther himself places his conversion to saving faith in or about 1519 According to dr. Truman's research.

Is this information accurate and Did Luther develop his theology of the cross further after his conversion? Thank you again for covering this topic. Thank you Dr. Truman for the blessing you have been and Continue to be to Christ's Church.

Thank you Chris for making iron sharpens iron a joy to listen to well. You already answered half of his question.

Yeah, well the glory idea occurs in April 15 18. So you'll find that see now the we know that Luther got a few things wrong and and you can understand the man. Remembering something or recalling something nearly 30 exciting years later.

He's going to make some mistakes and errors in His chronology. Debates when Luther made this some dated as early. If I had to put a date on it, I'd probably go. Today we were say to say to Luther when were you converted?

I think this would say when a lot of modern probably struggle most with. That Luther doesn't revert it at a particular point in time when the devil comes and tempts him. He says you cannot have me. I've been baptized.

Very high view of baptism first gave him cry. Tricky side of the question is warm. But I think Luther would not have been I wouldn't say wouldn't be comfortable with but would not have been particularly familiar with for him.

Became a Christian. That was the moment when he came to faith when he's describing what happened in faith. Sometimes in 1515 and 1520 relative to Romans 117. He's really describing a breakthrough. He makes an understanding script and Lee only find out when we meet him in glory.

I think.

Thank You Chris in Runnels, Iowa, and you have one, excuse me, that was a great question. Yes, it was. And Chris in Runnels, Iowa, you have won a free copy of the book that we are giving away compliments of Crossway Reformation theology a systematic summary, which has many contributors to it including our guest. Dr. Carl R Truman.

And so please give us your full mailing address and we'll have that shipped out to you as soon as possible by our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CV BBS comm. At CV for Cumberland Valley BBS for Bible Book Service Comm we have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York who wants to know how can you harmonize?

Martin Luther's belief in baptismal regeneration with his staunch belief in.

Luther, Baptism, and Justification by Faith Alone

Justification by faith alone. Yeah, that's a good question, too. I guess that's the obvious follow-up to to the answer. I've just given I think to describe Luther's belief. It's probably true. I don't think Luther believes while the word is also put his objectively play the God parent.

I think Luther would repudiate the idea of baptismal regeneration. When he's tempted by the devil and says, you know, look you cannot have me I've been sort of shorthand for him saying look you cannot have me being baptized and in baptism.

Crisis of my grasp, I don't agree.

Well, thank you very much Ronald and you have also received a free copy of the book that we are giving away today a compliments of our friends at crossway, that's Reformation theology a systematic summary and God willing you'll be getting that within a couple of weeks from our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service.

We have Salvatore in Nassau County, Long Island, New York. Who wants to know. How close do you think? Martin Luther was before. His legacy became more Arminian eyes than later centuries. How close do you think?

Luther himself was to the theology of John Calvin who came after him in regard especially to total depravity unconditional election and limited atonement and perseverance of the Saints.

Yeah, that's that's an interesting again an inch to divide that up into an ongoing I all that he needed to say on the issue existential need for Perseverance is a carefully articulated doctrine. You would not find it so clearly laid out in Luther as indeed You wouldn't find it so clearly laid out in in August.

A. Limited atonement. As we Have it is is developed in its elaborate forms in the really in the 17th.

Even within the reformed tradition on limited atonement all of which are I think can be fitted within the great. It's not really a question That Luther was was asking I think to go back to Luther and say did he believe in limited atonement Is to ask him a question that really arises in that sharpened Form in the latest somewhat unfair answer that In in the form that we find it later.

Having said that I think the key thing I hope that is an answer to the question. It's kind of saying.

Not yet. It seems that he must have been quite Inconsistent because for him to write as he did in his debate with a Rasmus and the bondage of the will. It seems that all the other Views that Calvin had would naturally flow from that now.

According to your comments before although you believe that the full-blown Concept of limited atonement or particular redemption or definite atonement was not formalized until the 17th century do you believe that Calvin believed? that Christ's death was intentionally and purposefully to Redeem his elect alone and that his death Was not for the world.

Or do you believe that he had more of a universal understanding of the atonement?

I think Calvin believed that I I think I would want to realize and not talk about yeah.

So in other words since he was not a universalist. He obviously must have believed that Christ's death.

Was specifically to accomplish the redemption of I do not believe that Calvin was on right?

Well, we're gonna go away our first break today. It's going to be very brief. If you have any questions of your own for dr. Truman, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen a gmail .com.

We do have several of you already waiting to have your questions answered and Asked and answered and we'll get to you as soon as we can when we return from the break. Don't go away. We'll be right back.

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Luther, Huss, Wycliffe, and the Origins of the Reformation

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen.

And that was the voice of a mutual friend of dr. Carl Truman and mine Pastor Bill Shishko of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Franklin Square, New York. He's actually retired from that pastoral ministry now and is running a Apologetic ministry called Reformation Metro, New York.

And he is host of that program that I strongly urge you to listen to. That's a visit to the pastor's study. Every Saturday from 12 noon to 1 p .m. Eastern Time on WL ie 540 a .m. Dot-com and by the way, Salvatore in Nassau County, Long Island since you're a first-time questioner.

You're not only going to get a free copy of the book that we have been addressing Reformation theology a systematic summary that dr Carl Truman has contributed to but you're also getting a free New American Standard Bible compliments of the publishers of the NASB.

So, please give us your mailing address and we'll have that shipped out those items shipped out to you. As soon as possible by our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service CV BBS dot-com and We have let's see here.

We have another a listener we have Seth in Randleman, North Carolina. And he starts off with something that I think must be an inside joke. Between you and he dr. Truman because he says mr. Arnzen, please tell Carl Truman How much of a fan I am of his and I know he loves hearing that.

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He says serious question for pastor Truman. I hear a lot about Martin Luther's life and People he influenced but I don't believe I've heard someone mentioned Luther's thoughts on Reformers prior to him such as John Huss or Jan Huss or John Wycliffe, etc.

Could dr. Truman, please elaborate on how these men influenced Luther's theology.

Yeah, that's a very good question I think the key condemned many at that point but a hundred years from now a swan will arise. It's a rather fancied himself as the fulfillment of that prophecy. And if you go to Lutheran churches today quite often the lectern the extent to which Writings influence Luther in terms of their content.

I think not so much really very entry. He has access to the sets of patristic authors like Augustin which the intellectual debt to these men is is far less than because Luther has. Certainly Huss in particular was a reason I think why Frederick the Wise Luther's prince and protector Arranged for Luther effectively to be kidnapped after the Diet of Worms to keep him safe Into the hands of church or Empire.

Well, thank you Seth and you have also won a free copy of.

Reformation theology a systematic summary that our guest dr Carl Truman contributed to thanks to our friends at crossway and also thanks to our friends at Cumberland Valley Bible book service, so please make sure we have your full mailing address and we'll have that shipped out to you by our friends at CV VBS God-willing within the next couple of weeks.

We have Jerry in Charlestown, New Hampshire. Who says from what I understand one of Luther's big discoveries in coming to know the gospel. Was his interpreting the phrase the righteousness of God found in Romans 1 verses 17.

The to refer to the righteousness that God offers to us in the gospel rather than the righteousness that God Commit that God demands in the gospel in light of this belief. What might Luther say to the proponents of the so-called new perspective on Paul?

Who tend to interpret the phrase the righteousness of God as the righteousness that God possesses? Rather than the righteousness that God gives.

Well clearly in agreement with that.

My co-host Reverend Buzz Taylor has something to say. I.

Just I really don't want to get too far away from Luther. And so I hope there's other questioners that are gonna bring us right back on the subject. But I before our hour ends I do want to hear if you have anything to tell us about this upcoming handbook that you're you're writing.

Oh, yeah.

Well, what. Tell us something?

I.

Just get tell us a little bit about it. Well, first of all, let me just let me just tell Jeff. Let me just tell Jerry in Charlestown, New Hampshire. That he has also won a copy of the book that we are giving away.

Reformation theology is systematic summary, but okay. Go ahead. Dr. Truman. I'm sorry.

Well, it's a project I'm doing with my friend Bruce Gordon who it's not often that you find younger scholars. Give younger scholars. Break an opportunity to be involved in a big project. It's not going to be a standard introduction to cash.

We're not doing a lot of the you know for example My literary trying to make it now and Calvinism as much for their social and culture their theological significance.

And closely related to this as a professor of church history. Is there any one book that you think stands out above the others that? Would be good reading to get a good grasp of the total of church history.

That's a difficult question. I think one of the finest the other fear. Well, I will definitely look him up.

Well, Chris, you better bring us back to Luther now.

Well bring us wherever the listeners bring us. By the way, it's interesting that you mentioned that historian who is an agnostic Roland Baton was not a Christian and he wrote one of the greatest biographies of Luther this in print, right?

Yeah. Well, we have now the.

Last of the winners of the books that we are giving away today. Reformation theology and systematic summary. A systematic summary. This listener is located in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And this is the first time he is contributing a question to the program.

Ken in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Writes, please ask professor Truman to give my regards to professor Verne Poythress. We now have our book on the Grand Canyon published. His question is which of the 95 theses Were most explosive that got Luther into hot water with the Catholic Church.

And he has a follow-up question after you answer that one.

Yeah, that's a difficult one to answer because in some ways it was not so much the clearly the if you violated the Christian life is not to be characterized by doing penance by Saying hail Mary's or crawling on your hands and knees up flights of steps in Rome.

The Christian life is to be carried towards God a dying. The issue is his second. Ken's second question is.

Chris when will when will we of solid rock? When will we of solid rock lectures be able to be on the air? Oh, I guess he's asking me this question. Yes that that we are waiting for a young earth creationist who is supposed to be following his interview or his his Geologists interview we're having a young earth geologist question.

We were having a young earth geologist interview The day following that one and we're in the process of trying to arrange that but Ken if you could give us your mailing address, we will send you a free copy of the the book that we've been given away, this is the last copy that we have of the book that has been given to us by our friends over at Crossway.

Reformation theology a systematic summary. So if you give us your full mailing address, we'll send that out to you and we'll also send you a free New American Standard Bible. Let's see. We have. We have Joe in Slovenia and Joe in Slovenia, I have to enlarge his email because the text is microscopic so I'm enlarging that right now and Joe in Slovenia says dear brother Chris.

I've just begun reading on the freedom of the Christian. I was pleasantly struck by Luther's summation of Pauline doctrine on freedom and duty when he wrote a Christian man is the most free Lord of all and subject to none a Christian man is the most dutiful servant of all and subject to everyone.

What needs to happen in the churches for this summary and the way he fleshed out the statement in the rest of the book to.

Become prominent again as a major guiding principle of evangelicalism is an ethical treat line to this Reformation. Insights. Then I think that the church Gospel learning what it means and Joe in Slovenia has a follow-up.

Question, please. Ask dr. Truman to explain from his perspective. Specifically how and when evangelicalism generally in the USA Lost the theology of the cross and adopted the victorious Christian life theology.

What were the leaders events? Circumstances that led to large portions of evangelicalism going off into a theology of personal victory power Overcoming etc in opposition to taking up our cross and dying daily.

Thank you sincerely for focusing on the cross.

Well, that's a Many of the Lutheran theology, but well, I guess I would well.

I'd like you to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today in regard to Martin Luther theologian of the cross a.

Couple of things I think the power of the word.

Well, I want to remind our listeners about the two events that dr Truman will be speaking at coming up in the very near future. First we have from April 28th through the 30th. He is going to be at the Philadelphia Conference on Reform Theology that is going to be held at the Proclamation Presbyterian Church in Bryn Mawr, Pennsylvania and then following that he is going to be at the Faithful Shepherd pastors retreat May 15th through the 17th at Harvey Cedars Bible Conference Which is on Long Beach Island in New Jersey.

That's May 15th through the 17th and for information on both of those events Go to Alliance net org Alliance net org and click on the events tab at the top of the page. And don't forget about the mortification of Spin podcast that he co-hosts and you can find out more about that Podcast also at Alliance net org Alliance net org and that's the mortification of Spin.

And once you tell us a little bit more about that program. Dr. Truman. Yeah, it's a podcast.

I do with two friends Todd Pruitt. We have a variety of guests. I'll try to get the most.

Well, make sure you go to Alliance net org for more information. Dr Carl Truman has been such an honor and privilege to have you on the program today and I eagerly look forward to having you back on very soon and as often as The Lord enables you to be on this program.

You always have an open door here on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio. God bless you, brother. Bye bye now and coming up don't go away because the second hour of the program we are going to be featuring our second guest pastor Mark Chansky who is pastor of Harbor Reform Baptist Church in Holland, Michigan a teacher of hermeneutics for the Reform Baptist Seminary in Easley, South Carolina.

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