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but I am saying that it might be possible. Let's take a look at what

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Joe Rogan has said about Christianity throughout the years, progressing to some very shocking things he said in a very recent interview.

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Earlier in his career, Rogan was very hostile towards Christianity. In episode 703 of the

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Joe Rogan Experience with Brian Redman, Rogan gave this rant about Christianity.

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I mean, because Christianity, at the end of the day, with no proof, everything is mythology. Everything, with no proof.

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With proof, then you examine the proof. It's super simple. And anybody that argues against that is just, you're just biased.

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You have your own ideas. Of course, there are plenty of good arguments for why Christianity and the

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Bible are true, both empirical arguments and philosophical arguments. Rogan is exhibiting an enormous amount of ignorance in saying that everything in Christianity is mythology.

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If you have some proof that there was a God, that this God had one son, and he made this son come down and get beat out of him and nailed to a board so that we could all have no sin, do you have, can you show me some studies?

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Do you have a box of evidence that you can pull out and we can examine all the different pieces that points to the undeniable conclusion that that's true?

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Because if you don't, then it's a myth. Then you're believing mythology. Doesn't mean it's not real. If you put all your eggs in that basket and you don't have any proof at all, well, you're entering into this weird world where you don't pay attention to.

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You're entering into this weird world where you ignore certain aspects of things because you've decided what is and what isn't.

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That's not thinking. That's like, it's convenient, cookie holder placement of ideas. It's not thinking.

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Because if you're thinking, you can't accept it. If you're thinking, you go, wait, what? He came back from the dead? Has anybody ever done that? Three days?

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Came back from the dead. I don't think you can do that. I mean, that's what people would do normally. Again, Joe, you're ignoring thousands of years of arguments that Christians have made for the truth of what the

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Bible says. You may disagree with these arguments or try to argue against them, but it's just complete ignorance to say that Christians are people who don't think about what they believe.

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But, you know, I went to, my kid had a function today and I went to this function and they're all, we're singing God bless

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America. And there's like something about heaven in there and their school prayer. I'm like, well, okay, are we teaching people?

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We're teaching kids things, right? What's heaven? Where is this? Is this a real thing? Are we just pretending heaven's real so the kids feel good and they can get to 12th grade?

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What are we doing here? What are we doing? We have to make up about stuff that we don't know instead of just accepting what we do know.

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Instead of just celebrating and accepting what we know about life, we have to pretend that there's a heaven and you're gonna go to heaven when you die.

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What the are you talking about? You're teaching my kid nonsense. Why don't you teach him some rumpelstiltskin? Why don't you make some it up about leprechauns?

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You're making it up about heaven. I'm not saying heaven doesn't exist, but you're just making it up. You're teaching a school in a class.

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You're making them, and then in heaven, God in heaven. God in heaven? Where's heaven? Who's God? What are you talking about?

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What are you talking about? You're making up some, you're making up some in a school. Like, and you don't, okay, like if a kid comes to you, like, um, where is heaven on a map?

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Can you take me to heaven? Do we have a Google Earth? Can we check out heaven? Can I see the harp? Oh, well, you know, heaven is.

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Well, Joe, it all starts with whether the Bible is true. If Christians can successfully argue that the

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Bible is true, then we know heaven and hell exist because God has revealed that they exist through the

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Bible. The starting point isn't trying to prove empirically whether heaven exists. It's proving whether the

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Bible is true or not. Clearly, Rogan's utter disdain for Christianity here is filled with irrationality and ignorance.

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We continue to see Rogan's hostility towards Christianity in this next clip from episode 735 with Peter Boghossian.

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You're blaming Satan on the bad things and you're praising God for the good things. That's no longer the case. Now we just cling to these absurd notions of this one that's watching us all the time.

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And you gotta sort of peripherally mention it and casually reference it without going into detail.

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And you're allowed to do that because it makes people think, well, you're on the same page as me. You're a God -fearing Christian man like myself.

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I'm a God -fearing Christian man myself as well. God bless you. God bless you as well, you know?

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But if you go, Satan is looking out for you. Satan is watching you right now. Satan is just letting the air out of your tires.

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Like, you go, well, that guy's right. You know, like we've moved past Satan, but we haven't moved past God.

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Exactly right. Or the idea of God. Even, I mean, if there is some all -knowing entity that is controlling everything and is filled with love and has a grand plan for the universe, they have yet to show themselves.

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Well, as Christians, we'd argue that God has, in fact, shown himself throughout history to the

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Israelites, then through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, and also through the

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Bible, which is now where we learn the truth that God has revealed to the human race. So this is all just a concept and an idea with no basis in fact.

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And as we have found more facts about the nature of reality in the world itself, it seems more and more preposterous with every day.

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Every day the scientists come up with these new equations that show the way the universe could have possibly been formed, and that every day that these guys at the

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CERN laboratory, the Large Hadron Collider, are discovering these, what were at one time theoretical particles, showing them to be true and their calculations to be correct.

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We have a deeper and deeper understanding of the universe. But Joe, scientists are really still nowhere close to explaining the origin of the universe, the origin of life, or the origin of human intelligence.

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Arguably, these are philosophical questions that fall outside the realm of what science can explain or prove.

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But we think now, we love to think that right now that we're filled with knowledge, and we'd love to look at ourselves now and look at the past as, well, they didn't know back then, but we know now.

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But if we looked in the past, they would have the same ideas. They would look back at those poor monkey people with the bananas, and they'd go, look, dummies, they didn't even know houses yet.

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We will one day look back at 2015, like what a bunch of fools, what a bunch of ridiculous people that were still, they had this incredibly complicated society and this wonderful access to information, but yet they were still shackled down by ideology and killing each other over religion and ancient superstitions that dictated their behaviors.

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Joe, you're forgetting the fact that Christianity was the very foundation that helped build this incredibly complicated society you're talking to with all this access to information.

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The Christian worldview provided the foundation for many of the most important scientists in history.

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It's like, what a weird time to be in. They will look at, they'll look at us now in 2015, and they'll say, what a strange time, this adolescent period of enlightenment where they're still concentrating on, and the president of the

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United States can openly talk about God, and no one goes, what is God? What are you saying? Like, what are you saying?

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Do you think Jesus came back from the dead? What do you think? Do you think someone walked on water? Do you believe in the literal translation?

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Are you an Old Testament guy or a New Testament guy? I mean, none of what you're saying is any more ridiculous than not having a good explanation for the origin of the universe, of life, of human intelligence, or of morality.

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You're just extremely biased, and you're ignorant of the arguments against your position. What, the

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New Testament's? No, well, the New Testament was made by Constantine, who was a Roman emperor who wasn't even

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Christian. He didn't even believe it. He became a Christian on his deathbed. Like, that's when he became a Christian.

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No, Constantine did not make the New Testament. That popular view is based on an absolutely terrible understanding of history.

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The books of the New Testament are in the New Testament because there was an agreement within the church as a whole that these books were uniquely inspired by God and that other books were not.

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And not only that, it was written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus. So what are you talking about? Because if you're talking about the old stuff, you got to go deep.

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Go to the Dead Sea Scrolls. Go to the most ridiculous aspects of that and tell me you're basing your life on that because that's even more preposterous.

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They found them in clay pots in Qumran written on animal skins. These people thought the world was flat and the sun was 17 miles away.

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And we're gonna - They did. This is how we're gonna live our lives? This is it. This is all the facts we need.

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Well, first, there are very strong arguments against the idea that the books of the New Testament were written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus.

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And second, the Bible is proven to be just as relevant and significant today as it was back then.

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So being against the Bible simply because it's old is extremely ignorant. If you're going to argue against the

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Bible, argue against the actual contents of the Bible. The Large Hadron Collider, CERN, Stephen Hawking's quantum physics,

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Neil deGrasse Tyson, those dudes with their telescopes. No, we're gonna base it on leather skins and charcoal ink.

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Like, really? That's the conversation we're having when we're talking about ideological religions. Joe, you're talking as if the

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Bible and science are mutually exclusive. But the truth is that as Christians, we love science.

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We believe that the foundation of science is the God who created science. It is definitely a type of arrogance, and it's also a way that people establish the moral high ground.

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They establish a dominant social position over you, and the people love to do that. They love to do that with their pious attitude.

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What they're doing is, by them accepting these religious tenets, they are somehow are superior to you.

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So when you have absolutely no explanation for something, you say you're just not being arrogant.

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And when Christians make an argument that explains the thing you have no explanation for, you just call them arrogant.

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That sounds pretty irrational and closed -minded to me. Rogan has made it clear that he has enormous respect for scientists who do not believe in God.

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On episode 938, Rogan spoke with Lawrence Krauss about the ridiculousness of religion.

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And that's the problem with a lot of what's happening in our government. People think, you know what, I really wanna believe in this absurd story, and therefore

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I refuse to accept evolution. If you're Mike Pence, the vice president of the country, you say, I don't believe evolution, because it doesn't agree with my ridiculous fundamentalist ideas.

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And he said that in Congress, right? He said we shouldn't be teaching evolution in schools. We should be teaching intelligent design. And why?

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Because it offends his personal faith. Perhaps. It might also be a political ploy. It might be a thing, because he knows that a large percentage of the country finds comfort in a leader that subscribes to the same sort of superstitions that they do.

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Yeah, that could be. He did this before he was in a national office. He was a congressman. I suspect he did it. It sounds like he believed it, but you're right.

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He might, he might. Who knows? Right. But the point is that we shouldn't listen to that kind of nonsense. Right. Because we may not want, because there are a lot of people in this country who do think that evolution directly confronts their belief in God, or the

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Big Bang directly confronts their belief in God, and therefore they don't want their children to learn about that. But what an awful thing to do to your children, to withhold evidence about how the world really works.

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Interestingly, Rogan and Krauss talk about how awful it is for Christian parents to teach their children according to a biblical worldview.

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But they completely ignore some extremely important factors to consider. And this is really important for those of you guys that are new to this kind of engagement with atheism, this is critical to get.

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Of course, the smuggling in of the atheistic presuppositions, but also the theft of Christian presuppositions smuggled in as well.

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Yeah. Presuppositions that don't belong to Lawrence Krauss. You have to consider for a moment now, not just what's on the surface, what's just being claimed, but you have to get underneath that and ask the question, well, what does this man actually believe about himself and us, others, and the universe itself?

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He believes that all of us are cosmic accidents, that there's no justice above any of us. There's no ultimate meaning and purpose and value to really anything in the universe, much less human beings, which are just one more aspect of this accidental universe.

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There's no difference between snails, horses, rocks, dogs, and humans in his position.

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So we are no different than space dust in his position. Now he might want to value human beings, but that's just something, again, like you said, he's imposing upon others.

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It's a faith commitment that he has in terms of human beings are valuable, and we did things wrong in the past, and this is the right way to do things.

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Who says right and wrong when you believe that you're just the random result of mutations from bacteria to fish, to some kind of other land creatures, moving your way to African apes, and here you are.

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So here's all these smuggled in Christian assumptions and presuppositions, like human beings have value, dignity, and worth, and truth matters, and we should pay attention to facts and evidence and those sorts of things.

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We're like, oh, wait, wait, wait, just wait a tick. That's not atheism. At least it's not consistent with atheism. It is consistent with the

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Christian view of the universe, which you've adopted, you've co -opted that position, and you're smuggling those presuppositions in, which do not belong to the atheist.

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You might want to value human beings, Dr. Krauss. You might say that I'd like to value human beings because I'm a human being myself, and what

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I wanna say is, well, there's a lot of other creatures in this world that don't value you like you value you. Who's to say that you're more valuable than the snail, or the horse, or the tarantula, or the rock, or the dog, or the sea gunk, right?

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On episode 1 ,366 of the Joe Rogan Experience, Rogan spoke with Richard Dawkins about whether Jesus was a real person.

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I think when they get together and they talk about all the values that Jesus proposed, if Jesus is the higher power, it gives them this sort of, again, moral scaffolding to live their life.

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Yes, well, Jesus would probably, on the whole, provide a fairly good moral scaffolding. Not totally, but he was ahead of his time, anyway.

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So you do think he was a real person? Most of the scholars I've talked to say he probably was. The evidence is not great, of course, but I don't think it's that big a deal, actually, because a wandering preacher called

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Yeshua or Yahashua, would it not be surprising? I mean, it's a common name, and there are plenty of wandering preachers.

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What would be very surprising would be if he raised Lazarus from the dead and walked on water and turned water into wine, and that, of course, didn't, did not happen.

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He says, of course, that did not happen, which presupposes his naturalistic worldview and is extremely close -minded to the many arguments

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Christians have made throughout history defending the truth of the Bible. The next clips you're about to see seem to signal a shift in tone from Rogan towards Christianity.

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On episode 1 ,769, Rogan listened to Jordan Peterson talk about the

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Bible. But roughly speaking, we have a bedrock of agreement. That's the Bible, by the way. Now, in many ways, the first book was the

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Bible. I mean, literally, because at one point, there was only one book. Like, as far as our Western culture is concerned, there was one book.

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And for a while, literally, there was only one book, and that book was the Bible. And then before it was the Bible, it was, you know, it was scrolls and it was writings on papyrus.

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But it was, we were starting to aggregate written text together, and it went through all sorts of technological transformations, and then it became books that everybody could buy, the book everybody could buy.

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And the first one of those was the Bible. And then it became all sorts of books that everybody could buy. But all those books, in some sense, emerged out of that underlying book.

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And that book itself, the Bible isn't a book. It's a library. It's a collection of books. And so it isn't that the Bible is true.

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It's that the Bible is the precondition for the manifestation of truth, which makes it way more true than just true.

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It's a whole different kind of true. And I think this is, I think this is not only literally the case, factually,

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I think it can't be any other way. It's the only way we can solve the problem of perception. So Rogan just listened to Jordan Peterson talk about why the

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Bible is not just true, but is rather the precondition of truth.

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Of course, I have some significant issues with what exactly Peterson believes about the Bible. But this video is about Joe Rogan.

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After many years of continuously bashing the Bible, Rogan invited onto his show and listened to a guest who has only high praise for the

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Bible. And Rogan listened very respectfully to what Peterson had to say about the Bible. On episode 1 ,895,

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Rogan spoke with Matt Walsh, a devout Catholic, about religious issues such as gay marriage.

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I'm not advocating for like a law that says if you're married, you have to have X number of kids. But then why are you opposed to two gay people doing that?

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Well, because again, it's not about choice. It's about what this institution, marriage as an institution, and what is it and what purpose does it serve?

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And I do not agree with tearing down or changing this definition, especially because the people who have changed the definition haven't come up with a new one.

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So they say, well, that's not what marriage is. So for thousands of years, we said marriage is the procreative union. And then we had the other side who came along and said, well, it's not that.

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Okay, well then like, what is it exactly? Clearly, Rogan is still extremely against the biblical view of marriage and is challenging

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Matt Walsh's opposition to gay marriage. I think that Walsh's attempt to defend the biblical and traditional view of marriage apart from using the

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Bible wasn't great. But I was encouraged that this kind of conversation between Rogan and Walsh even happened.

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Rogan was willing to listen to Walsh present his arguments. And this was a conversation that sparked a lot of discussion from people who viewed this episode.

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And if Jesus is Lord of all, and if he's God incarnate, that he has the right by nature of who he is and what he's done to define what marriage actually is.

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And so what's really important in this discussion is if you're talking to an unbeliever, is ask the question, well, you reject scripture, you reject

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Jesus Christ as God in the flesh. So the question I have to ask of you in this discussion is, how are you able to defend any position at all?

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Because if all of us are simply cosmic accidents and in a different universe, if like Richard Dawkins says, and it's one of my favorite quotes from Dawkins, there is no good, there is no evil, there is only blind and pitiless indifference.

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If that's actually true, then why are we having this discussion about what ought to be the case? Isn't it just sort of every man for himself?

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I mean, ultimately, isn't the real issue of humanity is that it's red in tooth and claw and that it's might for right.

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It's whoever ultimately survive and has the power. I mean, how are we talking about moral ought as though there were some justification to defend you ought to do this or that.

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On episode 1930, Rogan spoke with Adam Curry, who converted to Christianity and Rogan ended up saying something pretty shocking in this interview.

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I was very interested by this because I've looked at every conspiracy theory, moon landing, 9 -11,

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JFK, I mean, all kinds of conspiracies. The one I'd never looked at and now I'm 58. So I'm like, okay, let me look at this one is

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God. And I said, let me see about this God thing. I've never been a religious guy. And so I start reading and I start talking.

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I also found that around me, like a couple of people I was working with, they were all Christians and not that anyone's ever pushing anything on me.

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When I asked them questions, they were gladly answered. And there's a lot of stuff written about Jesus. There's a lot written, thousands of years of books and there's some contemporary stuff such as evidence demands a verdict.

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And this just is so much. And I gotta tell you, Joe, as sure as I know that building seven didn't fall down out of sympathy for building one and two,

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God is real, Jesus existed. He was a bad -ass outlaw and has changed my outlook on life.

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It has really changed the way I look at things. And I believe that we can win with God.

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I know that may sound a little weird coming from me, but I'm all in on this. And you may think of someone who believes in God or Jesus as a crazy right -wing nut job, which

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I'm obviously not. Here, Rogan is listening to Curry talk about all the writings and evidence he discovered about Jesus and the truth of the

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Bible. This is an enormous contrast to the first Rogan clip we watched, where Rogan ranted about there being absolutely no evidence for Jesus and Christianity.

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But man, it's powerful stuff when you put prayer into your life. It's really powerful, the

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Holy Spirit. I don't think there's anything weird about it at all. I mean, I think there's a reason why it exists, why it's so prevalent in so many cultures.

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It helps people. It's about love. Yeah, it's all about love. Although I certainly appreciate much of what

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Curry says to Rogan about his new faith in Christianity, I do have some concerns about things like this that Curry says, where he says, it's all about love.

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My prayer is that Curry recognizes the role that sin, repentance, judgment, and hell play in the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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You think Jesus's role was, who do you think he was? Well, he was literally the son of God, and he was on the earth to teach, and he wandered.

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I mean, he was an outlaw. He did some crazy shit, overturned the tax tables, and he really railed against a lot of stuff.

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Why do you think, based on what information that you have, why do you think that he existed?

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Well, Jesus had to die after teaching us how to live a good life and how to be a good person, which is all about love, and that was to absolve us of our sins, which is kind of a cool out.

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Everyone's a sinner. Everyone's fucked up. Everyone's flawed, but you are forgiven for that as long as you try to be better.

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This was the most concerning thing I heard Curry say. He says, you are forgiven for that as long as you try to be better.

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Unfortunately, that's not at all the gospel, which is about faith in Jesus Christ, not works, and my prayer is that God would guide

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Curry towards the truth about how God forgives sin. Ultimately, it's 100 % about love and knowing that it can be beaten.

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This evil in the world can be fought against. In fact, it's probably already done, and I'm just new to this,

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Joe, so I can't answer everything, but I love studying it. I love reading. I'm just, it's fascinating material, and there's so much there.

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It's really fascinating. A person being the actual son of God, I would need a lot of evidence to believe that.

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Evidence demands a verdict would be a great book to read, but just as I know that JFK was assassinated, and I really believe the

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CIA was involved because it's been written. I've just read documents, so when you look into the

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Bible and everything that's been written about the Bible, that's 100 million times more has been written about that, and it's survived all these years.

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Again, what's encouraging about this is that it seems Rogan is hearing more and more from professing

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Christians who are saying that they have very good reasons for believing the Bible is true, and presenting the reasons why they believe the

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Bible is true. Rogan seems to have become a lot more respectful towards Christians who believe the

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Bible, even if he still doesn't agree with their arguments. That's why I call myself a believer.

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Because you just believe. Yeah, and I've seen what it has done for my own life. What does it do for your own life when you believe?

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It makes me a very happy person. Prayer does work, not if you're asking for stuff for yourself, but I've experienced, it's not really just the miracles that I've experienced, but really, it makes me happy.

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Good things have been happening. So you just find it effective. It works for you. Of course. And so you're just saying this has helped your life.

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Again, what Curry is saying here about being a Christian because it makes him happy is somewhat concerning, and my prayer is that Curry would be guided towards the full truth of the gospel, which is a message that is hated by the world.

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Many Christians have been persecuted and even killed for professing Christ. And for them, the purpose of being

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Christian wasn't just to live a happy life free of depression. I love that you can discuss this with me just as two dudes discussing this.

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Yeah, well, I'm not an anti -religious person. I certainly was when I was younger. When I was younger, I had an ignorant version of religion, what it meant to people.

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But now I think of it more of like a moral scaffolding and a guideline for life that I think there's a reason why it exists.

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I think it's very beneficial for people. I think when people get involved, I didn't think this when I was young, but I was very smug and I thought of people that were religious as being duped, right?

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You got duped, right? You believe in some that was written by people who were writing on cave walls, you know?

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So that, but the reality is like, I know a lot of people that are Christians. They're really nice people. I know a lot of people that are

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Muslims that are really nice people. And I think part of one of the reasons why they're so put together is because of their religious belief.

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Rogan says that he used to be very anti -religious, which we saw from the earlier clips, but that now he has much more respect for religious people.

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He even says that he thinks religion is a large reason why religious people are so put together.

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Finally, let's listen to one more very interesting thing that Rogan said in this interview with Adam Curry.

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But I am saying that it might be possible that we're discounting the idea of people thinking about things in a very good way in unison, having an effect on everything that's around us.

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Like there's a weird thing that we assume that human communication is just words. I'm saying sounds and you're listening and you interpret it.

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But there's also like an energy that's going between people. Absolutely. There's good energy and there's bad energy. There's people that are creeps and there's people that are fun.

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And you don't know until you're around them sometimes. So Rogan is trying to explain why prayer might actually work.

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Of course, he tries to use the word energy instead of God, which is a false new age view of reality.

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But the very fact that Rogan is even entertaining the idea of prayer, having an effect upon reality, is very interesting.

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My prayer is that Rogan would continue having Christian guests on his show, perhaps even someone like Jeff Durbin, who will continue to point him towards the truth of the

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Bible and of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Joe Rogan, who I really, really love.

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I love Joe Rogan. I listen to his podcast. I do. I think he's excellent at what he does. He's a great interviewer.

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I have a passion for Joe Rogan. I love the man. And I would love the opportunity to be able to sit down with Joe Rogan to engage on some of these issues.

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I think he would handle it really, really well. I think we would enjoy ourselves together. I think we'd have a good time together talking about these things.

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And I have noticed over time as Joe Rogan has articulated some of his experience with DMT, the drug

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DMT, it seems like Joe Rogan even has opened up himself to the idea that there's more than meets the eye.

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It's not just the material world. And it's sad to say that, you know, the drug experience has led him to that.

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But I would love to be able to have an opportunity to talk with Joe Rogan about God, about the spiritual, about transcendence and those sorts of things.

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And I think we'd have a wonderful time. It would be a respectful dialogue. I think we would both enjoy ourselves.