January 6: How Did it Happen?

Welcome to the Conversations That Matter podcast, we're going to talk about the events that took place a year ago. I think a crucial time in our country's history was the time period between the election and the events that took place in the early morning on January 7th.

Notice I didn't say the 6th, January 7th, when I believe the real, if you want to call it an insurrection, the real overturning happened when an election was certified. And whether or not you believe that there was funny business going on, you should be concerned about some of the things that took place and it's, we're getting used to it.

It's easy to, when you have so much information coming at you, it's easy to forget, but there was a huge purge and this had not happened on social media to the extent that it did, but there was a huge purge last January and the sitting president was taken off Twitter.

We had, leading up to that, a number of people who questioned the narrative concerning the, how, the disease, we'll put it that way, or the election, or some of the elements behind the BLM riots, et cetera, and even what took place on the 6th.

And I know I'm not exempt from the treatment that others have undergone and so I've experienced some of it myself on Twitter. That's why I'm not on Twitter anymore and I've also experienced it on Facebook.

I want you to know that this video may not remain indefinitely and there is a link in the info section if you would like to save this or have a link where hopefully it's safe and will remain. There's also some other links in the info section that you can go if you want to get more information about this particular topic and you want to do your own research.

I think this is important, what I'm going to go over for a few reasons. What happened a year ago changed my life in some ways. I had already been a part of a number of political incidences that I was close enough to see the media was lying.

It already happened on at least two occasions that stick out in my mind and this was the third occasion. I remember being at a rally for election integrity, which is the reason that I was there, and I had been at a number of these before the 6th.

This one was different and there were a number of things that made this one different and I'm going to go through a few of those in a moment. If you had to, there were a number of things that stuck out about that day, but if you had to reduce it all, everything that really shook me that day, the moment that stands out the most was when I was passing the Department of Justice, DOJ, on my way to the Capitol after hearing the entirety of President Trump's speech and looking up at a window and seeing an agent who works, doesn't have a job except for the fact that we pay taxes and we pay his salary, flipping off the crowd, a crowd that was not, at the time, they were upset, but they were not aggressive, I wouldn't say.

And I saw that and I saw a crowd get aggressive and I saw laughter and mocking, cell phones coming out, taking pictures from the 4th, 3rd, 4th, 5th stories of the DOJ building. Staff workers doing this.

And I don't know of any picture of someone flipping off the crowd, but I saw it. And as soon as I whipped out my camera, our eyes met and I didn't see it again. They could tell they were being watched.

There was a very purposeful provocation going on. And that was the first sense, and there were probably other things I should have noticed, but that was when I realized something isn't right. And then other things during the day made me realize more and more something's not right about all this.

Something's different. I remember when I was on my way back home, I started receiving text messages from people. Are you okay? I thought, yeah, of course I'm okay. In fact, I even received a phone call before I made it to the area surrounding the Capitol.

And I didn't know what was going on. People who were not present knew more about what was going on than the people who were present. They were seeing shots from inside the Capitol that we were not seeing.

We didn't even know people were inside the Capitol. And I came home and I looked at the news and I remember looking at the way that this narrative was being spun and the disheartening thing. And the thing I thought about showing this, but I'm just not, I'm not, I don't have the stomach for it right now.

But the thing that was the most disheartening, I think, was seeing the conservative voices, conservatives within evangelicalism, even people who call themselves that, and the way they were immediately knee-jerking as quick as they possibly could to denounce the entirety of what took place on the 6th, to denounce myself, other people I was with, the vast majority of a crowd of about a million people who didn't even step foot on the Capitol grounds, let alone go inside the Capitol, who were simply there to protest election against what they considered to be a, I'm trying to think what word to use, I'm probably not going to escape the algorithms anyway, a compromised election.

And they are guilty of believing the media spin on this. I knew it was false because I was there. I could see the entirety of the picture and I knew a very small sliver was not just being presented but being mischaracterized.

And so, on that note, I want to say this before I get to the meat of this particular podcast. You can go back, you can watch the things I've said before. You can see the video montage on Gab, it's probably the best place to watch it at this point, of video that was being purged during the time.

You couldn't, it was being erased from Twitter, which is the main place that most of that was, and YouTube. You can go watch, in the days following, some of the clips that I found, that I was able to find before they were purged and shadow banned, and I stitched together a sequence of events from that day, along with the, and I will put it in the info section, the link.

But it tells a bit of a different story, it gives a fuller picture. So I want to let you know that that is available, and I don't want to reinvent the wheel, so I'm not going to talk about all of that.

I also want to say this, I'm not in any way excusing people who were there in, with the right motive, let's say, to protest for election integrity, to support the president, and they ended up doing wrong things.

They ended up breaking a window, or going and being disrespectful to putting their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk, these kinds of things. Although now I found out that that particular shot was media coordinated.

There was a cameraman in the room, basically telling that individual to do that. But just because the media is instigating, provoking, and maybe the government, I shouldn't say maybe, the government did provoke and instigate some of this, it does not excuse people who are Trump supporters, people who even were there for the right reason, it doesn't excuse them for some of the things they did, knowingly, that were wrong.

And so, this is not about that. This is not about saying that everyone in that entire crowd is as pure as the driven stow and did nothing wrong. I'm sure there were people who did. One of the big problems, though, is we don't know exactly what happened.

We don't know which people were federal agents and which people were working for other organizations and TIFA provocateurs like John Sullivan, we know him, and Trump supporters, especially those who made it inside the Capitol, those who breached gates.

These are the things that, and I'm going to show you today, this is where things become less clear, although there is one thing that becomes more clear. What becomes less clear is how many were Trump supporters.

What becomes more clear is how many appear to be working for another side, for the federal government, and it is becoming more in focus every day. And why do I say that? Because the accusation often made is, if someone even suggests such a thing, is they're a conspiracy theorist or something like that.

And there's really two things that I try to, well, there's three things that I want to, points I want to make before I get into the meat of all of this. One is this, human nature. I start off with a biblical understanding of what humans, who humans are, what they.

Do.

Jesus said that he knew what was in the heart of man. He didn't need anyone to tell him about it, he knew. And it was, corruption came from within man. People are susceptible to corruption. People, especially there's something called the mob mentality.

People, no matter who they are, are capable of being whipped up into a frenzy. You get a crowd of a million people, I don't care if it's to support teddy bears. You're going to have some real bad apples in that crowd if there's a million people who are totally ready to be taken advantage of by those who would be whipping up a mob and using crowd control techniques.

So human nature is the first thing I look at. And that guides, that's an undercurrent that goes through all my analysis. The other thing is, I look at the primary sources. It's very important to me. Video, testimony, I'm not starting out with secondary sources.

Now sometimes, some of the sources I'm going to show you today, if you look in the info section, these are documentaries and one great article that pieces together some great primary.

Sources.

But you have to keep in mind, when you're even looking at those things, there's a power of suggestion that's going on in the way things are framed. Media does this all the time. Focus on the primary sources.

Try to even make sure if there's a link there, click on the link. Just do a few of them and just make sure, okay, they're not just lying to me. This is actually something that took place. And try to, here's the other thing I would say, try to make sense of the whole.

In other words, get all the information you possibly can and then create a paradigm that makes sense of everything. Don't start with a preconceived notion and then, in biblical interpretation we call this eisegesis.

Don't start with a preconceived idea and then try to make sense of everything. The only preconceived ideas, I'd say, we have to have some. You can't be a blank slate completely. So I have a preconceived idea that humans behave a certain way, that there's a human nature.

Humans are capable of corruption, this kind of thing. But what I'm saying is don't start out with an idea of a conclusion before you've actually done your research, okay? We want to make sure that there aren't facts outside of the paradigm that contradict it.

This is what the left does all the time. They try to focus in on something they can use to further their narrative and they leave out the things that are inconvenient for their narrative. And so we want to make sense of everything, every fact, okay?

So those are the three things. Now, also, when you have a suspicion but you don't know for certain, then I think it's fair to say there's a strong suspicion here which is worthy of more investigation.

And that's where I am with some of the things I'm going to show you today. It's more than a strong suspicion. It definitely needs to be investigated. So with all that being said, let's get into the topic here.

How did it happen? I'm going to go through a Revolver news story, that's most of this podcast, and I'll put the link in the info section. The thesis of the story is that it was the 1250 PM breach of the Capitol grounds in conjunction with a handful of suspicious individuals ripping down fencing and signage that set in motion the conditions allowing for the 6th to turn from a rally into a riot.

That's the thesis. I think this thesis is supported. I want to give some just, in fact, there's more coming to my mind now, but let me give you some I wrote down, and if I have more that I remember after I read this, I'll tell you some more.

Here are some questions that I had. Some of them in the days following, some of them since then, but these are just questions that still raise suspicion in my mind about the events of that day in the official media narrative.

I told you about one of them, provocation at the DOJ. I haven't seen anyone report on this. As we are passing the DOJ to go to the Capitol where Donald Trump is said to go, that's where we're going to go.

There's provocation going on. There's an attempt to stir up the crowd into anger. Capitol Police Chief Stephen Sund at the time was denied an urgent request, he made multiple urgent requests for backup personnel and to declare the area a state of emergency.

Why was he denied that? This was not my firsthand observation, but I talked to a gentleman who has, we'll just say an intelligence background in the weeks following the 6th. He reported at the, this is on the day of the 6th, he reported finding weapons under a park bench.

Now, I don't know if any of you have heard of this. I have not heard this anywhere, and I cannot disclose who it was. I don't even actually remember the name of the person, to be honest with you. This was, I could find it probably, but this was over, this was almost a year ago.

But it was, it was someone who was a listener to the program, connected me with someone who was there, who had some very interesting observations, and that was one of them. He had some other ones as well, that they're, it's, they're just so subjective and he doesn't have pictures or something he could send me, but they were just very interesting.

But that was one of the things he said, and you don't have to believe that, that's fine. You know, I don't have the source, I'm giving this to you secondhand, but it, it, so it goes along with everything else.

That's the thing, it goes along with everything else I saw. Why, why would they quarter off all the bathrooms, all the porta potties, everything had to be shut down because of COVID. You have a million people and nowhere to go to the bathroom.

And police crawling the area around where the speech is, and somehow there were weapons under a park bench. Something's wrong with this picture. Nowhere to go to the bathroom was also another one. Why were there, and I've heard no one report on this, there were port-a-johns on the Capitol grounds for the construction workers lined up there.

And I'll tell you what, as soon as people broke, broke in or didn't even break in, they just walked in to the Capitol grounds. There was a long line of people you could see from a distance standing in line to go to the restroom.

There were little things like that that just made you wonder, are you ready for a million people to show up on your, in your city, or are you trying to make it as inconvenient for them as you possibly can to stir them to anger?

Why were there no canine units? Now maybe there were, and I'm just not aware. Apparently it is normal procedure to have canine units at the Capitol. I didn't see any. Vehicle barriers were down. I've never heard anyone talk about this either, but I saw it with my own eyes and it shocked.

Me.

The day you know a million people are showing up, all the vehicle barriers are down for government parking at the Capitol so that you have all these MAGA trucks and things parked in there?

Why?

Why would you do that? Why was there ignored intelligence? There's multiple people now who have said that they have reported ahead of time the possibility of a breach and completely ignored. How about slow response by the riot police?

I remember pulling out, this was probably about 4 .30 PM by the time, it took me a while to get from the Capitol area to the subway to my car and on the road. It took a long time. But as I'm pulling away, I'm seeing riot police hours late, hours late.

How come there were police welcoming protesters inside and there's video of it? And in fact, the rumor going around the crowd, when I approached the Capitol area, because I asked someone in the crowd, you know, are people supposed to be in there?

And she said, Oh, of course, there were some ladies, older ladies who needed to go to the bathroom. They asked the police and the police just let them in to go to the bathroom. So it's okay for us to be here.

Hmm.

How about the deploying of flashbangs and tear gas on peaceful protesters? I saw this firsthand as well. Yeah, there were some provocateurs in the front. Not many. There's a few. Guess where the flashbangs and the tear gas went in the most poorly deployed tear gas.

Ever.

It went on peaceful people who weren't being provocative and you know what it did to them? It made them angry, stirred up a hornet's nest. Now some of this could be incompetence, but not all of it. Not all of this.

Now remember human nature. Not all of this seems to be incompetence. With the security that took place during the time of the inauguration, with a security that's just a general precaution that takes place in these important government buildings.

Why not that day? Well, there's a lot more that I saw that I could talk about, but let me get you to some facts that really do matter. Ray Epps. I'm going to start here. Ray Epps made the, was a top suspect on the most wanted list for the FBI.

Multiple calls for public help to identify him. There was a cash reward offered for information leading to his arrest and public and local newspapers ID'd him that he lived in Phoenix, Arizona. Here's a man who came from Phoenix, Arizona to attend the rally.

Now before I tell you what's taken place since that time, just know that there's a lot of people on this list who are still out there and wanted and these kinds of things. And the FBI wants information on them.

Now there's been a few, there's some good documentaries out there that I would suggest. One is called Capital Punishment and one is called Patriot Purge. And both of them survey people like Epps who are on this wanted list and who have actually received visits from the FBI and who have been convicted and going to prison.

Let me give you a few examples. Mark Abraham, 15 years, sentenced to 15 years in federal prison. He's a former intelligence person who was encouraged to go in by another intelligence.

Person.

Paul and Marilyn Huber live in Homer, Alaska and had a pre-dawn raid at their home. Emily Grace Rainey, a former PSYOPS officer, lost her security clearance, kicked out of the National Guard simply for attending the Stop the Steal rally.

She was, it was said of her that she had a hundred militia with military equipment and that was a lie. She had basically a hundred grand, 50 grand as I think it was. Richard David Barnett, a sentenced to 11 years in prison for terrorism.

There have been reports of people tortured, black mold, beatings, threats to harm one's wife, racist, if you want to call it that, I mean the left does, but insulting, I don't know what to call it other than language that takes one's ethnicity and uses it as a pejorative, calling people things like crackers.

And this is taking place in what some are calling the DC gulag now. I don't even know how many people, but regular ordinary Americans are having this happen for very minimal things. And they, many of them on this list, Ray Epps was on this list, but something happened with Ray Epps.

Suddenly the FBI deleted Epps from the database after press exposure, no arrest and no explanation given. U .S. Attorney General refused to answer questions about him and the FBI agents in Phoenix, Arizona deny all knowledge Epps even exists.

Does that seem a little curious? Let me read for you from this Revolver article. Ray Epps has turned out to be perhaps the only person nailed dead to rights confessing on camera to plotting a pre-planned attack on the Capitol on both January 5th and January.

6th.

Epps announced multiple times in multiple locations his upcoming plot to breach the U .S. Capitol. He then spent hours attempting to recruit hundreds of others to join him. On top of it all, Epps was seen leading key people in managing key aspects of the initial breach of the Capitol grounds himself.

Here's some video of it. Here's Epps the day before, and he is telling everyone, in fact, people are complaining in the video, why do you keep butting into our business? And he's telling people we need to go into the Capitol.

And one person, basically people start chanting that he's a federal agent. One person says, you're crazy.

Stop.

You're making us look bad. That's not what we're here for. And Epps has a smirk on his face and basically tells them we're going in. Here's the morning of 1024 a .m. by the Washington Monument. Epps is shouting at people.

He is trying to persuade them to go to the Capitol, and he's pointing in the direction of the Capitol. Then came the breach. And this, perhaps, is the most important aspect of what happened on January 6th, and as it pertains to the media narrative, this is the most important thing, and it's what the media has left out.

Epps actively orchestrated elements of the very first breach of the Capitol barricades at 1250 p .m. while Trump still had 20 minutes left in his rally speech, and the sequence is very important here as I go through it.

It is noteworthy that this Ray Epps breach occurs just one minute after Capitol Police began responding to reports of two pipe bombs located at DNC and GOP headquarters, respectively. Rather conveniently, the already handicapped Capitol Police thus had still fewer resources with which to respond to the barricade breach in question.

The Ray Epps breach team had the amazing foresight to pry open the one walkway entrance that no one could avoid. So if you're watching, you can see a map. From the rally to the Capitol, this would have been the logical route, the most direct route Epps showed up at the very place the crowd would be going to.

And here you can see some screenshots and there's videos accompanying this of him being part of orchestrating, it appears, the breach that took place at 1250 p .m. Now this is a breach that is blamed on the Proud Boys.

Proud Boys showed up at the Peace Monument, which is right by this entrance at about 1245. But they were not there when Epps was there. Epps was there first, along with a number of other characters I'm going to introduce you to.

And Epps is seen here being one of the big provocateurs who coordinated, or helped coordinate, this particular breach. He was very much a part of it, and he had foreknowledge of it, and he encouraged people to go into the Capitol before the 6th.

Now once he got in, Ray Epps is coordinating things by the media tower. There's a media tower in the back of the Capitol, in front of the back of the Capitol, there's this tower, and there's some people that are, there's a guy actually with a bullhorn I'm going to introduce you to who ended up coordinating a lot.

But Ray Epps is right by him also coordinating. He's talking to people, he's giving directions, he's, in fact there's, we'll get to it, but there's places in which he is negotiating with police as well.

Now there's another character, we'll come back to Ray Epps, there's another character you need to be introduced to named Fence Cutter Bulwark, because they don't know his name, but some internet researchers, and it's a shame it's internet researchers, this should be part of a Congressional investigation, and the fact that there's not calls for this tells us where we're at.

Honestly, conservatives should be the aggressive ones, they should be the ones that are taking the field on this and controlling the narrative, and the fact that they feel like they have to be on defense about what happened on January 6th is absolutely atrocious in my mind.

It shows how weak some of our leadership is. We should be on offense. If what I'm about to show you, if there's any truth to it whatsoever, there needs to be questions asked. To what extent was the FBI and perhaps other departments involved in what happened?

So here's Fence Cutter Bulwark. Fence Cutter Bulwark is there long before the Proud Boys arrived at, by the way, same area where Ray Epps is. Very close. And you can see in this one photo, there's Ray Epps in the crowd, there's the officers, and he's standing there in the front.

You can see Fence Cutter Bulwark just sitting there, and this is actually long before Proud Boys showed up, but he's just sitting there looking at the fence. The very area when the breach takes place, he is going to dismantle.

There's another guy I want to introduce you to. This is the B-Civil guy, and he's another person that showed up around the same spot before the 1250 breach. He already jumped the fence, basically, and he is on the Capitol grounds.

No one else is. He knows he's going around an area that says it's closed. He went on it, and there he is talking with law enforcement, fearlessly. People in the video are saying he's going to get shot, he's being foolish, and yet he doesn't seem to have any fear.

Interesting. The B-Civil guy. Now, you're going to notice something, too. There's a few guys. The two significant guys are the B-Civil guy and the Northwest Scaffold Commander. These two guys have, and another guy named Tower Camo Comms, they have the same bullhorn,.

It looks like.

Same colored bullhorn, probably the same brand and everything. It gives them power over the crowd. They can direct things. I'm going to show you the Northwest Scaffold Commander in a moment, but B-Civil guy has one of these, and he is shouting to the crowd to be civil.

But, how civil can the B-Civil guy be when he's the first guy before even the breach, about 30 seconds before the breach, he's out there, and some have speculated maybe he's telling the Capitol Police, we're going to breach.

We don't know what he said, but think about human nature. Humans would naturally be afraid of doing something like this, especially alone. Why is he confident approaching the police right when this thing's about to go down?

What does he know that others do not know? Against all wisdom. So, anyway, he's there early, and none of these people are listening to Trump's speech. Trump's still speaking when all this takes place.

It's about, what, 40 minutes, 50 minutes, probably two hours if you went with a crowd because of how big a crowd is. You're an hour away from where the speech is, and you're able, I mean, you didn't hear any of the speech if you're here.

So they had a different purpose in mind. They weren't there to hear Trump, these guys that I'm showing you. Now, remember that FBI Most Wanted list we talked about? Well, Fence Cutter Bulwark is not on that list either.

So Ray Epps isn't on it, Fence Cutter Bulwark is not on it. You know who else isn't on it is Northwest Scaffold Commander. These are all people that aren't on it, and I'll introduce you to him in a minute.

Now, Fence Cutter Bulwark is videotaped methodically removing fencing and fence posts to allow mob to enter Capitol grounds. He wears a Bulwark fire retardant jacket. That's where he gets the nickname.

And here's an eyewitness account. I first saw him doing it near the two porta potties to the right of the Capitol. And I remember what I told you about that day, there was nowhere to go to the bathroom.

In this clip, you'll see him by the platforms near the front, tearing down the fences and posts as the South Korean and Japanese parade forged its way towards the front. If you watch the video, it's very interesting.

It looks like he's just doing a job, just rolling up the fence, very organized, making it look like the area is not closed. There never was a barricade there. So the people coming behind have no clue that they're not supposed to be there.

They're walking in to what amounts to be a trap, but they don't even know it. So fence cutter Bulwark, and there's also some likely companions of his. Now look, I don't know, but people who have analyzed this more seem to think there's a whole lot more than just the people that we're going to be focusing on in this video.

Next one is Northwest Scaffold Commander, early and ongoing insider and director of the mob. He taunts police from outside of the wall early on, climbs up the scaffold at approximately 1 p .m., closely directs and incites the crowd with Bullhorn on top of the scaffold for at least 18 minutes.

And so he's missing also from the FBI Most Wanted list. Isn't that interesting? Some of these guys are key players. Why are they missing from the list?

Why?

How come they're going all the way to Homer, Alaska for just regular ordinary Americans, but this guy doesn't make the list?

Why?

He, if you watch the videos, he is instigating. He is in the most influential position you can possibly be in for that day. He has a bullhorn. He is at the top of the media tower. He is the most visible.

He is the most audible, and he is telling everyone to move forward, to go into the Capitol. There he is early on, taking fence down right as the breach is taking place, like the others. Here's some more pictures of him, so you can see where the media tower is, to see just how influential he would have been.

In fact, here's a man named Hager who is accused of scaling the wall and carrying a Texas flag on the grounds of January 6th. Hager said he felt invincible and was following instruction of a person with a bullhorn yelling Patriots move forward.

Yeah, that was the bullhorn guy. And in fact, I remember, you could hear this guy from outside the Capitol grounds. I remember hearing this guy that day. He's the most strategic position to give orders with a bullhorn.

He said, move forward. We need help. And we got to fill up the Capitol for 90 minutes. It's the damsel in distress thing. It's provoking people and telling them they, it depends on them. They got to get inside.

Here's another guy. This is the guy's name is Black Ski Mask. Another guy just taking down the barriers and guess what he's also doing? Not just taking down the barriers. He's hiding them, taking down the barriers and putting them behind a wall here.

So no one can see that there were even barriers there. So when unsuspecting Trump supporters who are just there to protest for election integrity show up, they don't even know that there was a barrier there in the first place.

Now things with Black Ski Mask guy are really interesting to me. Ryan Samsel is one of the guys that is blamed for inciting the first breach, but here, here's Black Ski Mask guy ahead of him. And the FBI knows exactly who Black Ski Mask is already.

And for some reason, they're still not prosecuting him. How do they know who he is? Well, the feds don't just have an ID on Black Ski Mask guy. They have an entire police report and a shocking one at that.

Just one day before January 6th, Black Ski Mask was yanked out of a bus by dozens of police officers who suspected his vehicle was packed with guns and bombs. His bus was stopped just in front of the US Justice Department.

There's a picture of it. And in the video that this screenshot was taken from is him on camera saying that they're testing their DNA, that there were some weapons found and they're seeing if it belongs to.

Them.

This is interesting because how many of you have heard about this? A suspected bomb right in front of the DOJ and it, or the US Justice Department building and guns apparently found, or I don't know if they were suspected of being found.

I think they were, but you don't hear a thing about it. Not one thing in the media. And even despite this, they don't ramp up security anywhere. We got to start using our head here. The police knew about it.

They were swarming all over this for hours. And yet this guy is somehow free to be part of taking down fencing. The first initial breach, he's there right there. What's wrong with this picture? And then there's BeCivilGuy.

BeCivilGuy, I introduced you to before, remember he was on the, before the initial breach, he was on the Capitol grounds preparing to negotiate with police. And then he kept shouting BeCivil. Now why he was doing this, I mean, you can only speculate, but it could be, I mean, he's certainly not about just all about civility, it looks like he's the first one on the field, but he, it certainly maybe takes away suspicion or shows that he tries to separate him from being a provocateur if he does that, I'm not sure.

Or there was a plan. He, you know, if he was a federal agent, let's just assume, we don't know for sure, it looks pretty bad, but let's just say he's not, or he is, I'm sorry. It may be that his orders were to basically, hey, keep this thing civil.

We don't want damage. We want people to go in, in an orderly manner. So we have the BeCivilGuy here, and this is interesting to me. He is stopping someone from, there's a video of this, he is helping to stop someone from damaging a window where people could get into the Capitol.

And he tells him we're getting in, we're getting in, and directs him to go around where there's already a place they can get in that doesn't require them to break windows. Now he pats the guy down, he's, acts like he has law enforcement experience or something.

He knows what he's doing when it comes to crowd control. That's what's very interesting about this whole thing, and he's very confident. The whole, everything this guy does is extremely confident, from going out alone onto the field, talking to the officers before the, 30 seconds before the breach, which is, like I said, during the time when there's less police there, because there's bombs supposedly at the DNC and the RNC headquarters, everything is working like a hand in glove.

The Proud Boys show up right before the breach. You have the entrance they chose is the very entrance the unsuspecting Trump supporters are going to come behind, and they're not going to see the barricades that used to be.

There.

I mean, everything is hand in glove. And this guy seems to know that there's something else going on. He seems to know there's a plan, but part of his modus operandi is to get people not to do damage, but to go in the proper way, which the proper way, I guess, is where the Capitol Police were welcoming everyone in and through the doors.

Now, the interesting thing is here, Ray Epps does the same thing. Ray Epps says, guys, listen up, up to the steps and stay there. We're going to stay there for a while after he negotiates with police on the steps.