More Comes Out on Iryna Zarutska, Are Evangelical Leaders Complicit?

Black History Month, Racial Reconciliation, and the SBC’s Social Justice Narrative

We gather as a school and as a church to celebrate Black History Month. It is right, Black History Month, for us to think biblically. We need to think clearly on how the gospel comes to bear on all of life, especially racial reconciliation.

Today, as a school, we are very fortunate and blessed to have a New Testament theology expert, a Pauline scholar, a leading thinker, an advocate that is pressing the true church, the real church, toward racial reconciliation.

It is an honor to have such a well-known, impactful thinker here at Hickory Grove. And not just professionally, let me just speak personally as a man. Dr. Jarvis Williams wrote a book called Removing the Stain of Racism from the Southern Baptist Convention.

I've read it. Our staff has read it. It was one of those books that turns the light on for you to think differently. And so, just as a Christian man, I am indebted to Dr. Williams, Dr. Jarvis Williams.

And we, as a school, are very fortunate to have him. So, would you make Dr. Jarvis Williams feel welcome as he comes to lead us today? Williams? We have a Bible this morning. Part of our theological makeup, one of the things we understand as a core of our theology is that we come into this world with a sinful nature.

We are born sinners. And it stands to reason that if we are born sinners, we are born racist.

Well there you have it. That is the president of the Southern Baptist Convention a few years ago, talking about how we're just all born racist because that's what original sin means. That's what that doctrine actually teaches.

Everyone's a racist. Everyone's guilty, I guess, of every kind of sin, even culturally contextual sins that you won't actually find in the Bible necessarily, depending on how you define them, maybe you will, but they're a little, let's say, open to interpretation.

But let's just say you have it. You're guilty of it because you are a sinner. You have original sin, a tendency to sin, and that makes you a quote unquote racist. I wonder if it makes you other things too.

Does it make you a, I don't know, homosexual? Are you a homosexual just because you have original sin? Like where, where's the line start and end on this kind of thing? It makes you wonder, right? And this was the narrative that I've been fighting forever on this podcast since at least January, 2019.

And before that I've written blogs as early as I think 2014 specifically targeted at Southern Baptists who we're going to be talking about today. And here's the president of the Southern Baptist Convention parroting the narrative.

Now at the time I wasn't paying much attention to Clint Presley. He wasn't the president of the Southern Baptist Convention at the time he made these remarks and you know, he was a prominent pastor, but not prominent enough to really get on my radar.

But I think it's important to think about this now because he's a prominent pastor in a certain city in the United States and that city happens to be Charlotte, North Carolina. That's right. The president of the Southern Baptist Convention is a native and a preacher in the city of Charlotte, North Carolina, where the stabbing occurred and that everyone's talking about right now.

And I think it's just rich for him to say this. Of course, we're going to get into a little bit of the policies that led to what happened today. We're going to talk about the video and more that's coming out about what actually happened on that light rail because more is coming out and I think more will probably still be coming out.

But there is a lot since I even put the podcast out last night that has come out in the last few hours that I just thought, you know, I'm going to do another podcast. And one of the main things I think this is what tipped the scales.

I've done a lot of podcasts this week, but it just made me think I've got to talk about this is the fact that the voice you just heard is busy posting. That's right. Posting about this particular incident.

And I will show that to you. Here is Clint Presley. Here's his ex profile. And he posted absolute, unmitigated, preventable tragedy. Lord have mercy. It's just it's a it's a tragedy. And he posted this.

When was this? September 9th. So it was last night or last actually morning of yesterday when he posted this. Since then, he's posted more. Seven hours ago. I stand with Albert Moller in his column. We'll talk about Albert Moller in a moment.

The grotesque murder of and by the way, before I pronounce this name, I should probably look it up. I noticed someone said in my email inbox that I'm getting this Ukrainian name wrong. It's actually Irina Irina.

So I'm going to try my best to pronounce the name correctly. I did that wrong in the last two podcasts. I'm not from Ukraine, though, but it's Irina. So I stand with Albert Moller. This grotesque murder of Irina Zaruzka exposes the failure of progressivism to protect our people and our cities.

OK, I mean, fair enough. He also reposted this from Katie J. McCoy. This is interesting. I want to analyze this a little bit. He retweeted it. Go read the end of Judges, she says, when the narrator wanted to convey how corrupt the nations had become.

What did he record? He told the story of an isolated, vulnerable woman subjected to heinous violence and abandoned by those who might have helped. That was the index for how godless the nation had become.

It was a cultural tipping point, a national reckoning that enraged the whole country. Yet the nation continued to spiral because everyone did what was right in their own eyes. Well, it's interesting that this post has gotten traction because I noticed.

Let's see if it's gotten more traction. We're going to be doing this live here today. If you go to the post engagements and you look at some of the quote tweets, oh, JD Greer reposted this interesting former president of the Southern Baptist Convention.

It's almost like there was a group chat and the Southern Baptist got wind of it. You have a number of others. I don't recognize all these names. I do recognize Griffin Goolidge, who also reposted it. He's kind of behind a lot of the Me Too stuff in the Southern Baptist Convention.

Big supporter of Hannah Cate, or if you remember that from years ago, I don't recognize anyone else, but I thought maybe there'd be more. So anyway, you got two presidents of the Southern Baptist Convention retweeting this particular tweet.

And what I noticed about this tweet is that it's very different from the George Floyd tweets. And the George Floyd was a criminal. He had a long rap sheet. We know now from the biopsy or the the the court case and their documentation of what actually happened in the autopsy that he died because of a fentanyl overdose.

And but of course, at the time when this all went down, the Southern Baptists were up in arms about it. I mean, it didn't take long for them to start promoting the BLM narrative. And if you notice, that particular narrative is very different than this particular narrative, because in this narrative, what's the problem?

Who's the problem? Where is the sin located? Well, it's the whole nation, right? It's everyone. It's everyone. There's a national reckoning because I guess we as a country and in what way, though, in what way we as a country is I mean, it wasn't me.

Who was it then? Who was it that promoted the policies that led to this particular incident? If it's such a national thing, if ever is there going to be corporate repentance? We had to do that for George Floyd.

Right. Everyone was guilty of racism because that was original sin. So we all had to go do a corporate repentance thing. We had to go to church and go through some of these ridiculous laments. We had to take responsibility, especially if you were white and had privilege.

It was your fault that George Floyd died. It was your fault. All the police shootings. But now when we have this particular incident for Iran, Irina, it means that everyone's just kind of equally guilty and there's a national reckoning.

It's not particular to one group over another where George Floyd's was more particular to one group. This we don't have that. It's just general depravity. And I mean, I can agree with this to an extent.

Right. There is a general coarsening of society. There's a general dislike and just disdain, I would say, lack of trust, lack of valuation for human life. I can see all that. I understand there's a selfishness that's grown.

I'm not saying that this is wrong. I'm just saying it's a different narrative. And this is who two presidents, one former, one current of the SBC, decided to retweet Clint Presley also retweeted Andrew Walker on this.

So he's posted a number of things. Also, Joe Rigney on this, a number of things that he is signaling he's against this kind of thing. But you don't see the racially charged stuff, right, that we did with George Floyd.

We don't see the kind of things that Clint Presley was saying in the wake of that particular issue. And I'd like to ask why. Why is it? Why is it that if you go to this tweet I posted underneath it, another screenshot, this is from Clint Presley and it goes back farther.

I mean, this is a while ago. Right. And I understand people change their mind. This is over 10 years ago. This is December of 2014. And it's reacting to the Christian Post. The Christian Post had made a post that said Southern Baptist pastor chides evangelicals for promoting racial justice as a gospel demand.

And Clint Presley responded to this by saying that SBC pastor doesn't represent the rest of us. Oh, interesting. OK, so that SBC pastor is wrong. Thankful for Matt Hall, Mr. Matt Hall. I'm a racist. Remember the critical race theory advocate at Southern Seminary who was kind of like Al Mohler's right hand man and then Dr. Russell Moore, another guy who was kind of like Al Mohler's right hand man there at Southern Seminary, who's now the chief editor at Christianity Today.

And this is what Clint Presley follows it up with. It is a gospel issue. So it's a gospel issue, apparently racial justice. So I'm just confused. Racial justice is a gospel issue. Everyone's a racist because of original sin.

We Jarvis Williams, who promoted critical race theory at Southern Seminary again, right under Al Mohler, one of Al Mohler's hires there. He's just a great Pauline scholar. You need to be exposed to him.

We've all read his book. We we really just appreciate him. And racial justice is this really important thing, which we all know from the context of the time means eliminating disparities, economic disparities, disparities and how police treat members of other races when they commit crimes.

Allegedly, we need to do something about all this. And if we don't, we're being we're failures. We're not living up to the gospel. We're not living up to Christian teaching. We're not taking justice seriously.

You remember all of this. Has Clint Presley said anything, anything to back off of any of that? Has he repented? Has he even taken responsibility publicly for the things he said in Charlotte, North Carolina, mind you, not that I'm aware of.

I've asked people who live in Charlotte, people who know Clint Presley, is there anything to indicate that he's backed off this stuff, that he publicly repudiates it? No. No, he's just the president of the Southern Baptist Convention now, and he's very sad about this recent killing.

Well, this particular murder could have been avoided. And it could have been avoided if some basic policies were still in place, some policies that Clint Presley and many other Southern Baptists were complicit in eradicating with their narrative, with their social justice, woke, whatever you want to call it, narrative that sought to change policing, to change how we think about justice by reframing justice as the elimination of disparities.

That's what justice is really all about. Social disparities. Hmm. Well, the Trump administration put this out on September 8th, this is from the White House, I thought this was interesting, I didn't catch this before, but Charlotte murder exposes Democrat failures after career criminal freed by woke policies.

Oh, let's read what this says. Horrifying video released on Friday shows the moment we're going to get to that video that an innocent woman was brutally murdered on a train in Charlotte, North Carolina, a shocking act of evil.

The deranged monster, according to this article, was to Carlos Brown. He's thirty four. He had been arrested again and again for violent crime spanning more than a decade. Despite that lengthy rap sheet, mental health issues and forfeiting bond on three occasions, a Democrat judge released him back on the streets following his most recent arrest in January, free to slaughter an innocent woman just months later.

That has become the Norman Democrat run cities where radical left policies like no cash bail and defund the police put depraved career criminals back on the streets, free to continue raping, pillaging and killing their way around through our nation.

It's a culmination of North Carolina's Democrat politicians, prosecutors and judges prioritizing woke agendas. OK, so what specifically? Let's give what are the details, John? Here are the details. In 2020, the Charlotte City Council, Charlotte, where Clint Presley is a pastor, mind you, launched an initiative to reimagine policing, which included diverting 911 calls away from the police department in 2020.

Oh, this is kind of interesting. The year this is happening on 2020, then Governor Roy Cooper established a task force for racial equity and criminal justice, co-chaired by then Attorney General and current Governor Josh Stein, which recommended reimagining, reimagining that public safety to promote diversion and other alternatives to arrest, deemphasize some felony crimes, prioritize restorative justice, eliminate cash bail for many crimes.

Oh, it sounds so nice. Except when a woman is dying in a pool of blood, it's not so nice, is it? Over the last seven years, Mecklenburg County Criminal Justice Services has received millions of dollars from a foundation that advocates for no cash bail and decreasing jail populations to address inequities.

Mecklenburg County hired equity and inclusion consultants to address racial disparities at all levels of the justice system. And its Office of Equity and Inclusion lists reducing racial disparities and disproportionately within the criminal justice system as among its goals.

In 2020, there's that interesting year again. 2020, a Democrat state Senator Mujtaba Mohammed, who represents Charlotte, declared independence from rogue police. And as President Donald Trump said, there are evil people.

We have to be able to handle that. If we don't handle that, we don't have a country. Kind of simple stuff coming from our president. I would agree. We do have evil people and we should handle it. But there were a group of people that just seemed like they didn't want to handle it.

They seemed like they were all for the kinds of, quote unquote, reforms that led to what we have. And I talked yesterday about this particular judge that decided to let to Carlos Brown walk and was gave him a slap on the wrist.

She should be part of this. She hasn't even passed the bar. It's just insane the conditions that people in Charlotte are living under. But some of those conditions changed quite a bit in 2020. And so Clint Presley doesn't talk about that, doesn't talk about what the road that led us to this, which I find interesting.

Now, there was mention mentioned in that about a certain foundation. I'm just going to bring this to you. Find it a little interesting. Irina Zaruzka's killing. Was this murder funded? Three point three million grant from left wing NGO MacArthur Foundation fuels speculations.

OK, it's speculations. But I mean, we were allowed to speculate with George Floyd, right? Where we were allowed to think that Derek Chauvin was just a racist and that's why he targeted George Floyd. So, I mean, I think a little speculation isn't that permissible?

I think a little speculation is OK. Here's some speculation. Irina Zaruzka's brutal killing has sparked a fresh controversy about the MacArthur Foundation and a three point three million grant aimed at reducing jail populations.

That's interesting. It says that her brutal killing has left the world in shock amid the growing outrage over the killing of a young woman in the train. Social media is ablaze with posts. We know this as speculation intensifies.

Many are demanding accountability. One widely shared post on X read. And there you have it. Three point three million from left wing NGO. The MacArthur Foundation went to Mecklenburg County to reduce the jail population, the very county that released career criminal DeCarlos Brown 14 times.

Insane. Follow the money. Democrats want criminals on the loose. Well, I don't know. I mean, it could be it may not be. But we're allowed to speculate, right? Speculation was what you had people like Clint Presley and Al Mohler and J .D. Greer operating off of.

I think it's OK. We speculate. And here's a primary source here. This is where is this from? This is a screenshot, I guess, from an official document of Mecklenburg County claiming that they received this grant and that this brings a total investment from the MacArthur Foundation of three point three million to continue safely reducing the jail population.

Yes, safely. There's all the mugshots of DeCarlos Brown. That's a lot of mugshots. You think it's enough to say maybe this guy shouldn't be on the street. I don't know. Call me crazy. Maybe he just shouldn't be out there.

But he was out there. And it's not safe to now go in public transportation. Many people feel that way because of this particular incident. But here's the thing. It wasn't just the current president of the Southern Baptist Convention, was it?

No, it wasn't. It was many more.

J.D. Greer, Al Mohler, and the Southern Baptist Convention on George Floyd

It's going to take everything we've got in the gospel and in the scriptures to escape the trap of history. But we're not we can't just draw a line. We're going to have to deal it. We're going to confront it.

We're going to have to recognize the word stain is exactly the right word. It's a stain that we're going to carry as a denomination forever till Jesus comes. I can't associate with any assertion that we do not have a massive problem.

In the society and in the church with claims of racial superiority and with historic patterns of claims of white racial superiority, I love the people respect the people who brought the resolution. I would not have brought the resolution if it were it were me.

And and there's just some language in it that some of it's so good, but some of it is it's so easily taken. Well, it's just confusing. So I just I'll try to say that I but behind it, behind the resolution, I'm convinced was an effort to try to speak to the real problem of the sin of racism in the United States and in every structure in the United States.

In every structure of the United States, I guess that would be police, right? Every structure, there's just racism in the police departments. This is a problem. I'm glad Resolution 9, which endorsed critical race theory, is an analytical tool, at least got that right.

According to Dr. Mueller, that look, there's racism just permeates every institution. And Dr. Mueller, to his credit today, decided that he would make a post as well about this. And here's the post. It is a column he wrote for, was it World's World Magazine?

And it says brutal murder in Charlotte becomes a national flashpoint response to release of security video shows deep division between liberals and conservatives. And then he goes on about the soft on crime policies of the Democrats.

Well, good for him. But this was the same guy that promoted the BLM narrative. And you say, well, John, how do you I mean, I get it. But what about I mean, did he at least did he come out and say BLM is right or anything like that?

Well, he did like this post from 2020. The phrase be Black Lives Matter predates the organization. I guess most people don't even know the organization exists. You all are getting hung up on a red herring in this country at this time.

All people of goodwill should agree with the simple premise that and it's capital letters, Black Lives Matter, capital letters B, L and M. You also have this. Al Mueller signed this along with the other 70 presidents like Danny Aiken and others breaking Southern Baptist Convention leaders release statement on the death of George Floyd.

I was glad to join in this statement. And if you look at the statement, they do blame racism. So, yes, Al Mueller did endorse the BLM narrative. And it's just simple to me. Like, why don't you come out and say I was wrong for all that?

I'm sorry that I got that wrong. But has he? No, he has not. Neither has Clint Presley, neither has J .D. Greer, neither have a lot of people. And the Southern Baptists are not the only denomination, but they're the ones I focused on the most.

So I know the most about them. And the you can hear a pin drop if you if I was in a room with all these guys and I would ask, all right, have any of you made any public statements as public as you were supporting the BLM narrative?

Have any of you been as public with repudiating that support? And you would hear a pin drop because they haven't. If either they haven't weighed in on this, which many have, and I just checked and you don't have people like Matt Chandler or who else did I check?

David Platt. Maybe they will weigh in, but they haven't weighed in yet. And others who have promoted this narrative of BLM, they have not weighed in. But the few who have aren't making the statements that should accompany their shock, horror and outrage that also say, yeah, we were complicit in the whole push to, quote unquote, reform the the laws and the police departments and everything else that has that were gates that kept people like to Carlos Brown from murdering people like Arena.

So I just think this is a little rich. And of course, it wasn't just Al Mohler.

It was others as well. Prince's lead, says Deborah. People praise the Lord. But when the princes advocate their duties, the people suffer. We got plenty of dudes and bros in the church. Just hanging around.

What we need are more men. It's like Kevin DeYoung says, the most important exhortation and complimentarianism is not for women to sit down. It is for men to stand up, which leads us to our third observation from this story.

Number three, God curses spectators. As Deborah sings out the victories of God's people, she says, coming to a crescendo in verse twenty three, curse morose, said the angel of the Lord, curse its people bitterly because they did not come to help the Lord to help the Lord against the mighty cursed.

They didn't say they did anything bad, does it? It doesn't say this tribe hung back and smoked weed and raided everybody else's pants while they were out fighting. I just said they did nothing. Morose represents those people of God who fail to act when it's not their land that's threatened to do the geography.

It's less severe. Morose is not affecting us. These enemies ain't coming after us, so we're going to hang back. Now, I want to turn more specifically to some of these issues of justice, whether we're talking about racial justice or gender justice or what have you.

Tragically, when it comes to many issues of justice, there's often been a malaise in the church, not using the kindest word possible. In large part because the injustice did not directly affect those of us sitting in places of privilege like Morose, it didn't affect our tribe.

We didn't think it affected our tribe. The church in the West and various generations has been slow, far too slow to champion the dignity and equality of really anybody who was outside of their circle.

And some of us ask, we look back with genuine bewilderment and we say, how could some of these great theologians, how could some of our ancestors have either gone along with slavery someplace, even defending it at the very least, just not really seeming to care about it that much?

How could a large majority of conservative Bible believing Christians have just sat on the sidelines during the civil rights? And for the most part, I think you've got to conclude that it just they felt like it didn't directly affect them, at least in the short run, so they didn't think that much about it.

Like Dan, they sat back by the shifts when they ought to been out in the fight. We have to be clear, the scripture says this not getting involved on behalf of others as a matter in God's eyes of justice, bearing the burden of our brothers and sisters in God's kingdom, even when we think especially when we think that what is happening doesn't directly affects us as a matter of justice.

I'm going to stop it right there because I can't take any more. What you're hearing from J .D. Greer is speculating and questioning the motives of our forefathers in the faith, why they didn't do enough in his mind to oppose slavery or get involved in the civil rights movement.

And I've talked about this ad nauseum on the podcast. There's multiple reasons for these things, but history is complex and there's converging elements. And there's I'll just name a few of them. Let's talk about civil rights for a moment.

This wasn't something that affected the entire country. This was also something that wasn't the highest priority for everyone. In fact, if you look at polling from the time, people were much more concerned about the Soviets and some of them suspected that the Soviets were intentionally trying to stir up trouble using the civil rights movement to foment a possible race war.

And guess what? They were right. The Soviets were involved in trying to do that very kind of thing, to use it as a wedge. Some of them also thought the cure would be worse than the disease, that this would be something that would end up causing problems.

And it has caused problems. It has caused the kind of white flight, as they call it, the kinds of lack of discipline and lower standards, the forced integration and more than forced integration. It's the civil rights of the other civil rights policies, the Great Society policies, the affirmative action policies, all of these things on top of each other to try to promote social equality have done a number on our country.

There's many reasons. And maybe they were smarter than J .D. Greer when they were looking forward. Maybe some of them knew what was going to happen. Maybe they didn't have these bad motivations. And there's more that could be said.

But I'll say this, if J .D. Greer wants to be consistent and while we just have to bear one another's burdens, we have to get involved in these things, then what he needs to do is look at this latest case.

Why isn't he talking about this particular murder? Why isn't he repudiating to Carlos Brown? Why isn't he saying that we have a justice issue here? It's a gospel issue. I thought Black Lives Matter was a gospel issue.

We're going to play some more from J .D. Greer, but I need to take a break and I need to show you this because people are flooding the stream with comments about it. Charlie Kirk was just shot at a Utah event.

And I don't know what the latest is on this. In fact, I'll refresh it because I'm sure more is coming out. Charlie Kirk was shot at an event in Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah, on Wednesday bystanders report seeing Kirk shot near his neck.

No, that's not good. During a Q &A with students, a suspect is in custody, according to UVA alert sent to students. The campus is on lockdown. That's all we know. You know, I thought about this just the other day that Charlie Kirk is incredibly brave to have the profile he has and to go to these events in the open air where you have people that hate him.

I, man, let's let's pray for him right now on the air. Lord, we pray for Charlie Kirk. We pray for Turning Point USA. We pray for our country. We just pray for cooler heads to prevail. We pray that you would keep him safe.

Lord, we don't know that his condition, but we do pray that you would have your hand of deliverance, guidance and healing on him. We pray that justice would come true justice to whoever was involved in this plot.

We pray, Lord, that you would inspire people to not lose their calmness or coolness about this, but to have a righteous indignation that reaches the the measure that that you have, the righteous indignation you have when you see these kinds of things.

Lord, we pray that we would you would give us peace as a country and that your gospel and a revival would take place. Amen. I don't usually do that on the podcast, but this is a developing story. And I feel like since we're live, we should do that.

And I would just ask you to pray as well. This if he is mortally wounded, if he dies, then this is going to be this is going to. Oh, man, I can't even I don't even want to think about it, especially on top of the new cycle that we already have.

Charlie Kirk has been very brave over the last few years, and this issue he's been very good on. I've seen good developments with him. Let's just pray for him. OK, keep I'm going to keep going here with J .D. Greer and just play you some other things that he said before.

It's just it disgusts me. But I think we need to know what we're dealing with here. J .D. Greer still has a lot of influence in the Southern Baptist Convention. Deuteronomy 1018. I'm going to skip ahead.

I don't want to see more of this. It's more of the same. Let's go to this right here. Here's J .D. Greer in 2020. This is where he said that Black Lives Matter is a gospel issue.

We realize that especially in a moment like this one, we need our brothers and sisters of color. We need the wisdom and leadership that God has written into their community. We know that many in our country, particularly our brothers and sisters of color right now are hurting.

Southern Baptist, we need to say it clearly as a gospel issue. Black Lives Matter. Of course, Black Lives Matter. Our black brothers and sisters are made in the image of God. Black Lives Matter because Jesus died for them.

Black lives are a beautiful part of God's creation, and they make up an essential and beautiful part of his body. And we would be poor as a people without them and other minorities in our midst. Let me echo my friend Jimmy Scroggins, pastor down in Florida, and saying that Black Lives Matter is an important thing to say right now because we are seeing in our country the evidence of specific injustices that many of our black brothers and sisters and friends have been telling us about for years.

And by the way, let's not respond by saying, oh, well, all lives matter. Of course, all lives matter. But I've heard it described this way. Say you're in a group.

I don't need to hear his description. That's if he's going to be consistent, I guess white lives matter right now, right, J .D. Greer. What else do you make of this? The post that he reposted, let's see if I have it queued up, which is the same one from Katie McCoy that I showed earlier.

That particular post is basically blaming the whole country for this kind of thing. I didn't think you were supposed to do that, according to J .D. Greer, right? You're supposed to target, it's the person who was targeted.

It's their specific social group. So he says, great insight, Katie. God, have mercy on us, Lord. Stoke the fires of this awakening we see happening. Set your church aflame and turn our nation back to Jesus.

Comfort her mourning family and bring justice quickly. Justice to who? J .D. Greer, who needs justice? I mean, according to Katie McCoy, it's just all of us. We all were, I guess, complicit in this. Interesting.

Well, very different than what he said earlier.

He also said other things. The group at a restaurant and.

Let's skip ahead a little bit here to this. Here he is. This is actually, I think, 2021 or 2022, if I'm not mistaken.

Besides just maybe a verse, a script or something like that to just say, especially if they really want to know.

Karen, I think that's a great question because I think that's where, particularly a lot of those that are in the majority culture are like, what do we say here? We've talked about the parable of the good Samaritan, that just because I'm not the one, that doesn't mean that I'm relieved of responsibility.

But I think in the United States, it even goes a little bit deeper because we recognize that because certain people defined by race were in power for so long, they created some of these systems that have worked better for them, quite frankly, than they have for other people.

Just if you go back and look at the history of whether it's Jim Crow laws or practices like redlining and some of the long-term damage, there's a political commentator and he's very conservative. Let me just add that.

So this is not, you know, just sort of a left-wing talking point. He says the word systemic used to really bother me because I thought it meant that the laws themselves were bad. And he said, we got that correct in the civil rights movement.

And so why are we talking about systemic laws? Okay.

I don't want to talk about this anymore. It's too much shady rear for me for one day. But what about the laws that they work out for arena? How about her and the murder that she just, but she's not the only one.

This kind of stuff is happening all the time. I think it's a, some of them would have a tragedy that it's when there's a video, right? George Floyd thing was similar. When there's a video that you connect with.

That's when people get enraged. That's when there's like a momentum to do something. It's the nature of social media. It's just the media age we live in, but this kind of thing is happening all the time.

And either the videos aren't released, the videos aren't leaked or there are no videos. But of course we see this, this kind of violence. Here's a one that's actually happening. Uh, ongoing right now, Julie guard, Chanel, Julie guard, Chanel.

And here is a new story. This just happened. And she's an Alabama vet killed while walking her dog. Police have charged Harold Rashad Dabney the third with two counts of capital murder after, after the body of Dr. Julie guard, Chanel, a retired Auburn university veterinary professor was found Saturday in a wooded area of Kaisal park in Auburn, Alabama.

Investigators believe that Chanel 59 had been walking her dog. She was attacked. Um, she had served as a faculty member at Auburn. She was a cherished educator. Police responded to Kaisal park on Saturday after receiving a call reporting a deceased person.

The Auburn police department said in a press release. Uh, I don't know if there's much more to say about this, but there's, I mean, this is another, this is a black on white crime. Now I don't have any evidence that this was motivated by race.

And I'm not saying that I'm not jumping that conclusion. I'm just saying that in 2020, we were allowed to speculate on all this and come to conclusions and force the church and force every institution to accommodate and adjust to that.

And now what's going on? How come, what's, what's the double standard about here? Right. So, uh, that's, what's going out there. And so they're going on out there in Southern Baptist land. I ask people, look, let me know if you see more guys who were on the wrong side of 2020 posting about this.