March 14, 2019 Show with Joe Suozzo on “Sanctification Thru Suffering” PLUS Bruce Bennett on “Purgatory”

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Joe Suozzo and the Sanctification Through Suffering Conference

We've got two guests today that I'm looking forward to interviewing. The first is a first-time guest the second is a longtime friend who is a returning guest. During the first hour. We have Joe Swazo joining us for the first time ever on iron sharpens iron radio.

He is senior pastor of Emanuel Bible Church of Howell, New Jersey. And we're going to be continuing a theme that we've been discussing with other speakers at an upcoming conference sanctification through suffering and.

Then during the second hour my friend as I just mentioned Bruce Bennett will be joining us pastor of Word of Truth Church in Farmingville Long Island, New York. He is going to be addressing the theme purgatory.

Is it biblical and will also be discussing a debate. He has that he is having with a Roman Catholic apologist coming up very shortly in the near future on that very same Topic, but first of all, it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to iron sharpens iron radio Pastor Joe Swazo.

It's great to have you well what we do and typically Joe with first-time guests in iron sharpens iron radio as we have them give an abbreviation of their salvation testimony starting off with what kind of religious atmosphere if any you were raised in and what kind of Providential circumstances our Lord raised up in your life to draw you to himself and save you praise God.

Well, when did you? Start pastoring. The church that you now pastor Emanuel Bible Church of Howell, New Jersey. And then if you could give us some more details about this congregation now when you say a conservative Baptist background.

Do you actually mean the CBA the conservative Baptist Association? No, I think it was GRB okay, and Tell us about how you met our mutual friend Andrew Rappaport the founder of striving for eternity ministries who is actually running the conference where you'll be speaking on suffering and I thought this was a quite interesting.

You began telling me the story right before we went on the air if you could tell our listeners about this. Now was he a Christian at the time because I know that he is from. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he was a young Christian.

Yeah, he's a Jewish believer. So I just yes, that's right. Great. Well, uh, tell us about the sanctification through suffering conference specifically. What you will be addressing under that umbrella of sanctification through suffering just to let our listeners know to remind you.

It's gonna be held this Friday and Saturday March 15th and 16th at the Chinese American Bible Church on 65 Gibson Place in Freehold, New Jersey. It is not going to be conducted in the Chinese language.

They are just using that venue, but if you could tell us specifically about what you will be addressing. Well, it sounds like something that not only every believer Should attend if they are capable of tending attending but also lost folks as well.

So that they can finally for the first time in their lives discover that there is purpose in their suffering and if they are adopted into Christ's family if they become a Christian they will Certainly have the promise that even their suffering will work together for the good No matter what that suffering may be.

Entailing and that is of course according to Romans 828 a promise only to the Christian but. Well, I'm going to remind you again if anybody wants to attend this sanctification through suffering conference.

This Friday and Saturday March 15th and 16th at the Chinese American Bible Church on 65 Gibson Place in Freehold, New Jersey. You can go to striving for eternity org to get more information striving for eternity org.

Just to let you know Justin Peters will be one of the speakers as well. He was our guest yesterday on iron sharpens iron radio. Frank Mullis who was our guest on Friday the 1st of March was on the roster as well.

Colleen sharp who's been our guest twice already an iron sharpens iron radio. The last of which the last program of which was on Tuesday the 12th of March and of course as you've been hearing Joe Suazo is also on that roster and Go to a striving for eternity org striving for eternity org for all the details that you need.

I'm gonna reread that Passage that we are addressing today from Romans 820 through 21. I'm using the New American Standard Bible. For the creation was subjected to futility not willingly. But because of him who subjected it in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God and.

So basically I think we should start with and you already hinted at it. When you were describing the the basis for your your speaking engagement at the conference. Let's start with the question. What is the context of what the Apostle Paul is writing there?

I think only people from New York and New Jersey pronounce it Corinth. Okay. Well, I'm from New York myself. So but I've also heard Corinth. Or going back to this specific creation that is mentioned what is this creation specifically that Paul is referring to.

So unlike our old earth Brethren who I believe mistakenly believe that The earth is millions of years old and that death occurred in the animal life and plant life before the fall in This scenario that you are speaking about and I'm assuming You are a young earth creationist, I don't know that for a fact, but I'm a yes.

And so the only way that a plant life would have died prior to the fall Would have been when Adam and Eve were eating the plants and the vegetables and the fruits and so on. Animals were all herbivores.

And of course going back to what I just said The only reason plants died is because the animals were eating them as well, right? And but the animals were not killing each other and eating each other. I Would agree with that and they weren't nobody was dying of old age.

Yeah, and that's the very reason why Christians need to be very careful if they have loved ones who are dying of some illness disease. Some kind of crippling accident that is going to bring an end to their life sooner than anyone had hoped.

When they are placed in hospice care very often Christians have to be very careful what kind of hospice care that these folks have or that they at the very least tell their loved ones the truth and try to do damage control when the when the hospice care workers speak to them and counsel the dying person because At least in the secular realm the hospice Movement, which is in one regard a wonderful and beautiful thing to see people compassionately and tenderly care for those who are dying, but the danger of The hospice care that I had witnessed with my own mother and I thank God my mother was already a born-again believer before she was under the care of hospice workers, but they were Telling her the very thing that you were describing that was Even present in the the Lion King cartoon.

They were basically telling my mother Don't worry about death. Fearlessly embrace death. Death is your friend death is just a part of the natural process of life. Embrace it. Don't worry about it. Now.

There is there is some truth in that for the Christian. But these hospice workers would no doubt be telling that to anybody. Yes, and The only ones who should fearlessly approach death are those who know that they will be spending in eternity with Christ and of course There is a God-given Instinct to fear death under normal circumstances when we're not on a hospital bed waiting for an imminent death.

I mean obviously we're not supposed to be walking through busy traffic because I have nothing to fear because I know I'll be in heaven that would be irresponsible and Actually sinful because you're not even caring about those loved ones of yours.

Yes that are Going to lose out on a lot if you dipped apart this earth. And in fact, that's one of the selfish Aspects of suicide is that people have more regard for their own suffering? And pain and anguish whether mental or physical.

Then they then they're then they are either first and foremost considering the commands of God because suicide is self-murder but also the fact that they are robbing others of their own role in their lives and their own presence in their lives, so Obviously suicide is never an option.

But we're going to get back to more of why Romans 8 20 through 21 is an important in this whole conversation on suffering when we return from our first break. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own.

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Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter and I can understand a question like this might lend itself To someone wanting to remain anonymous something about suffering that they'd rather not.

Draw attention to their identity because it's something very personal so we can understand that. But if it's just a general question a theological or doctrinal question on suffering. Please give us at least your first name city and state and country of residence.

Don't go away. We'll be right back after these messages with Joe Suazo on sanctification through suffering.

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On Suffering, Death, and the Christian Hope

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in our guest today for the first hour with a little less than a half hour to go is Pastor Joe Swazo. He is the senior pastor of Emanuel Bible Church of Howell, New Jersey.

And he's one of the speakers at the sanctification through suffering conference. That's coming up this weekend Friday, March 15th and Saturday, March 16th at the Emanuel I'm sorry at the Chinese American Bible Church in Freehold, New Jersey.

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If you live outside the USA only remain anonymous if your question involves personal and private matter. We have John and Bangor Maine who has a question for you pastor Swazo. He says the theme of your conference Sanctification through suffering is a very compelling theme and a very biblical theme.

However, as you must know there are people throughout history who have wrongly Interpreted that concept into a very heretical and very dangerous idea where the self-inflicted Suffering somehow makes the person more worthy and acceptable in the sight of God one can only help but think of Martin Luther when he was still a Roman Catholic and he was flagellating himself Trying to help appease God Because of his sinful nature and of course, this is not only Wicked and heretical it is also a dangerous concept for people to have.

Can you please? Give your own thoughts on this. Yes, and of course we have to remind our listeners when Martin Luther was doing that that was before he was a regenerate man. He was still a Roman right?

Amen, thanks, John and Bangor, Maine. Great question we have CJ and Lyndon, Hurst, Long Island, New York who says I Agree with what you were just saying about self-torture, but Should we not as Christians on occasion?

Bring ourselves a bit of suffering not to the degree that you were describing but whenever someone fasts or abstains from creaturely creaturely comforts in order to be more focused on the Lord and perhaps more focused in prayer life and so on isn't this in some way a Self-inflicted suffering that is intended to bring one into a further level of sanctification.

Amen, and of course, there's a huge difference between a missionary Who is suffering with malaria on the mission field? That is being used of God to even further the sanctification in the life of that missionary.

There's a difference between that and a missionary intentionally Injecting malaria into his bloodstream or something like that. Yeah. Well, that's a good point. I mean there were my first year and of course since the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit we are not to unnecessarily or Sinfully abuse the body in ways that It was not intended to be and if bringing pain and suffering to your body was somehow an admirable thing in and of itself then it would be a wonderful Christlike activity to eat the worst junk food on a regular basis.

You could come right you could you could possibly eat never exercise and all that kind of thing. That would be somehow praiseworthy if punishing yourself was indeed a a commanded thing or a praiseworthy thing for a Christian to do but obviously there are things that are Punishing to the body that are involved in obedience that have nothing to do with intentional self-infliction of pain.

Other than the things like that that hard work and exercise. Bring those things about but those are beneficial to the body even though they cause pain. But we are given no promise for ourselves though that.

By becoming a Christian our pain and suffering will be lessened or alleviated. Word of faith movement. Right your faith your faith could bring about your suffering. For instance, you could lose your job.

Because you are going to remain faithful and obedient to Christ and his word rather than Give in to the pressure of an employer who wants you to sin in some way. Yeah, or who wants you to deny Christ and his gospel or if he wants you to Keep your mouth shut about Christ during those times.

When employees are free to have conversations with each other. I'm not saying that Christians are to abuse and steal from their employer by using it before Evangelism time when they should be working, but I'm talking about those times of the day when anybody can say pretty much whatever they they feel like saying the time of recreation or lunch or something but.

But well, anyway, I want to make sure That you have right now five minutes of uninterrupted time to summarize Whatever it is that you want most etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today. Amen.

Well, I want to remind our listeners that if you want to attend the upcoming conference on sanctification through suffering You can go to the website of striving for eternity ministries. That's striving for eternity Org striving for eternity org it's being held this Friday and Saturday March 15th and 16th in Freehold, New Jersey.

Also, if you have interest in visiting the Emanuel Bible Church which is The Emanuel Bible Church is located in Howell, New Jersey you can visit their website and that is I Bc nj .org IBC for Emanuel Bible Church and That's nj for New Jersey org IBC nj .org Joe Suazo it's been an honor and a privilege to interview you today and I look forward to having you back at some point in the future and Hopefully even meeting you face to face at some point at one of these events that Andrew Rappaport organizes.

I Really appreciate that. Thank you very much. And don't go away folks because my old friend pastor Bruce Bennett will be joining us To discuss purgatory. Is it biblical? Pastor Bruce will be debating a Roman Catholic apologist on that theme and we'll be hearing more of the details about that.

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Purgatory and the Roman Catholic Debate

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen and we are being joined for the second hour. By my friend pastor Bruce Bennett of Word of Truth Church in Farmingville, Long Island, New York. He's going to be discussing Purgatory, is it biblical which is also the theme of a debate?

He is having God willing on March 30th with Roman Catholic apologist Matthew Luke Broderick. But if you'd like to join us on the air with a question on Purgatory today for pastor Bruce Bennett, our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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I just have a few announcements to make about upcoming events. First of all this weekend as we were mentioning in the first hour of the show our friends At striving for eternity ministries are having a conference tomorrow and Saturday March 15th and the 16th and That is being held at the Chinese American Bible Church in Freehold, New Jersey.

Sanctification through suffering is the theme and the speakers include Justin Peters Frank Mullis Joe Swazo and Colleen sharp. If you'd like more details on this Sanctification through suffering conference go to striving for eternity org striving for eternity org.

Then coming up in May an event that I intend to be Visiting there is going to be the East Coast ministers conference of the banner of truth At the Elizabethtown College in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania.