September 10, 2021 Show with David J. Engelsma on “Hyper-Calvinism & the Call of the Gospel”

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I have returning to the program today one of my most fascinating and

learned guests.

His name is David J. Engelsma, who is an author and who was the professor of

dogmatics and Old Testament studies for 20 years at Protestant Reformed Seminary

in Granville, Michigan, an emeritus professor since the Synod of 2008.

He was the editor of the Standard Bear magazine from 1988 to

2002, and he is still a lecturer and preacher touring in North America and

throughout the British Isles on behalf of the British Reformed Fellowship, which is devoted

to the spread and defense of the Reformed faith in the United Kingdom.

Today we are going to be addressing a very controversial issue.

It's an issue that I may be at certain points in disagreement with my

own guest.

In saying that, I may also, for the majority of the program, be in

full agreement with him.

It's an issue that does divide even Reformed brethren today, and the issue is Hyper

-Calvinism and the Call of the Gospel, an Examination of the Well -Meant Offer

of the Gospel.

And it's the latter part of this discussion

identified in the subtitle, the Well -Meant Offer, that is the bone

of contention amongst Reformed brethren.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Trump

and Zion Radio, David J. Engelsma.

I appreciate my being with you again.

Yes, and although what we are going to be addressing today in regard to the

Well -Meant Offer, or a denial of it, by Professor Engelsma and his

denomination, the Protestant Reformed Church of North America, I must say that although

it is considered a unique teaching amongst the Protestant Reformed denomination, there

are men outside of that group, in different denominations and Reformed

fellowships, that agree with him on this.

I know personally a seminary professor who is quite well -known.

I'm not going to identify him by name because I haven't checked with him before the program to see if he is

still in agreement with Professor Engelsma over this issue.

But he is a well -known seminary president, a Reformed seminary president, and

a number of very well -known authors have gotten their doctorates from this seminary.

And so this is not something that is entirely unique to the Protestant Reformed denomination,

this denial of the Well -Meant Offer.

But hyper -Calvinism is a subject in and of itself

that evokes disagreement amongst those in the

body of Christ and even fellow Calvinists.

In fact, one thing that I can agree with you on right away, Professor

Engelsma, is that I reject the charge against you

and the Protestant Reformed denomination as a hyper -Calvinist

institution, or you being a hyper -Calvinist yourself.

I reject that.

I agree with you that that term is being misused in your case and

in the case of your denomination.

But there are not only different definitions for hyper -Calvinism, but there are

also different kinds of hyper -Calvinists that I think are accurately

labeled as such.

You have among extreme many, I'm not going to say all, but many in the

Primitive Baptist denomination or fellowship who are

hyper -Calvinists.

They so remove man's involvement in the salvation

experience that they don't believe the preaching of the gospel is used by God at all

to bring lost souls to Christ.

They believe that the preaching of the gospel is merely to comfort the sheep when they discover

who it was that saved them and so on.

They do not believe that God uses any earthly means to save the elect.

In fact, they believe in a very broad understanding, a very liberal understanding of

who will be in heaven.

They include in that number those that remain in the Roman Catholic Church and even

people in pagan religions who could be among the elect without ever coming to understand the

true gospel.

So that's one end of the spectrum.

And you also have many within the Netherlands Reformed denomination who have an opposite

understanding but are still hyper -Calvinists in that they believe that the number of the

elect will be comparatively extremely microscopic.

In fact, you can have large congregations, extremely large congregations in that denomination,

even over a thousand where only a handful of people receive the Lord's Supper because they are the

only ones that are convinced they are of the elect.

But having said that, I would like Professor Engelsma to define hyper

-Calvinism as he understands it.

Yes, one of my great heroes of the faith who I had the privilege, while he was still with us on this planet,

I had the privilege of seeing and hearing him preach in person multiple times

and am very thankful to God for that.

In fact, he was very instrumental in forming my understanding of the Reformed faith and

was a very significant and probably the most significant mentor to Dr. R .C. Sproul.

That's correct.

Yes, in fact, he actually brings up or brought up, since he is with the Lord now in eternity,

he brought up his disagreement with the well -meant offer in his book Wrongly

Dividing the Word of Truth, which was a critique of dispensationalism largely.

That

indicates

that

unfortunately,.

The body of Christ, many professing evangelicals who are

outside of the Reformed faith call any Calvinist a hyper -Calvinist, which is

somewhat humorous in the irony because if they despise Calvinism so much, they

have no need to add hyper to it.

It's kind of odd that they would insist on using the phrase hyper when they call us hyper

-Calvinists just for believing in the five points of Calvinism,

especially limited atonement, or as it is also called particular redemption and definite

atonement.

But they insist on using that label, many of them, even though they clearly

despise Calvinism in and of itself as it has been

historically taught, not only in the institutes, but in the creeds and confessions of the Reformed faith.

And that

exactly in

the

preaching

of

the

gospel

only to the

elect in the

great need of the

Savior.

Let's move on to a definition of the most controversial

issue in our discussion because this is the key area that will divide our

Reformed listeners.

That is the well -meant offer.

Sounds tame and safe enough.

What's wrong with this well -meant offer and what is it?

So if you don't mind repeating so we really get this clear.

When on the one side, on the earthly side, since we as

Christians who are human beings are limited in what

we could possibly know about the spiritual condition and state of the

heart of the humans that surround us.

We are to passionately urge them to repent and believe upon Christ to be saved.

But they who are promoting a well -meant offer

includes the omniscient God in his desire

to in love offer this one and only way to salvation

to people that God knows.

He formed out of the same clay as the elect.

He formed out of the same clay to reprobate and they are vessels

of wrath and yet he somehow is offering them in love a way to

salvation.

Am I getting this somewhat correctly or if you could correct me?

Yes, and the key word is graciously.

Contradiction of

salvation of all who...

Yes, one thing that I do find interesting is that over the years

I have heard many sermons defending the doctrines of sovereign

grace also known as Calvinism and the reformed faith.

I have heard many sermons and lectures where those who believe in

the well -meant offer have simultaneously said

that they reject the idea of the Arminian concept of God

equally desiring every single human to

repent, believe and join him for eternity in heaven when he knows that

they never will and therefore he will be according to that Arminian concept

logically an eternally frustrated God because what he has intended

will not come to pass.

He is desiring people to be saved and to

be with him for eternity.

That never will be.

And that concept, it's interesting, it seems to be a self -contradiction

how one could say that God will never be an eternally frustrated God

as the logical end of an Arminian understanding and yet at the same time these same reformed

people believe in the well -meant offer.

Do you understand what I'm trying to say here?

I do indeed.

The well -meant gospel offer...

Yes, in fact there are many who believe in the well -meant offer do

not have that approach when it comes to the death of Christ.

They believe it applies when it comes to our duty to

evangelize and that while we proclaim this gospel God is lovingly

desiring all hearing, even the reprobate, to come to him and yet

when it comes to their understanding of limited atonement definite atonement, particular redemption they seem

to switch gears.

Do you agree with that?

Yes, and

that's an... you

can't have...

In fact, could you give that example when we come back from our first break.

Because we have to go back to our first...

I'll see if I can remember, yes sir.

Yeah, please make a note of it because it's very important I don't want you to forget that.

If anybody has a question on hyper -Calvinism on the well -meant offer or if

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and the call of the gospel an examination of the well -meant offer of the gospel right after these messages.

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If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the entire program is David J. Engelsma

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-Meant Offer of the Gospel.

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As always, give us your first name at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence.

Right before the break, Professor Engelsma you were about to give us, I believe, an illustration that involved

the atonement, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, my contention is to

a

number

of

books,

All

-Meant

Gospel,

All

-Meant

Gospel

Offer

we are

covering

grace.

In fact, the Reformed faith really is the only

theological system that I am aware of that has a

logical answer as to why millions of people over the centuries

never heard the gospel preached.

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Calvary and His death, burial and resurrection.

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into Heaven because of ignorance.

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Transdispensationalism in which he says that people will have a second

opportunity to embrace Christ after their death.

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everyone to be saved and then combined with the fact that millions perished without ever hearing this gospel

has drawn them into all kinds of bizarre conclusions and teachings.

It's a profound observation that comes to mind

about sovereignty and salvation.

Would you say that a phrase.

That might refute this understanding

that God equally intends the salvation or desires, I should say, the intention

desires that we'll be saved.

A phrase that might be used to get people to rethink that maybe, maybe not.

God doesn't try anything.

God doesn't try to do this or do that.

He doesn't try to save your grandmother and fail.

He doesn't try to save your next door neighbor and fail.

He doesn't try to save you and fail.

When God intends something it happens.

And when God desires something, it happens.

Am I right?

That's a good way of putting it.

I have

a

listener

who is

choosing to remain

anonymous.

Because he is in a church that strongly opposes a rejection

of the well -meant offer and this person says when

in history did the well -meant offer appear in Christian literature.

I have been telling my elders that this is a novel teaching

that did not really appear on the scene until more recently in history.

But I have been told not only is it biblical but it has been taught throughout the ages of Christendom.

Who is correct here?

I appreciate that terminology.

The

well

-meant

offer

is

condemned

as

a heretic

well -meant gospel.

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Christ's offer and command it says that Christ loved

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That is also the email address where you can send in a question to David J. Engelsman as we continue our discussion on Hyper

-Calvinism and the Call of the Gospel, an examination of the well -meant offer of the Gospel.

And before the break, you wanted to at least briefly define and

discuss common grace.

This may be one of the areas where you and I have disagreement,

because I know it is your position and the position of the Protestant Reformed Church that the word grace

should only exclusively be used in regard to the

salvific benevolence of the Lord Jesus of God, whereas since the

root of the word, from what I understand, I am no Greek scholar, but from what I have heard from people who are, it

merely means unmerited favor or even ill -merited favor.

We deserve hell, but get a blessing.

And I would think legitimately, not that I am unable to be convinced by you,

but I would think because of that, that it would be legitimate to say that God extends his

grace when it comes to the benevolence he shows by even extending long

lives, very often, to the wicked, giving them prosperity in their businesses,

giving them wonderful marriages and many wonderful children.

Not always, obviously, but many, many, many times that is the case.

So if you could explain what your definition is of common grace and why you have a big

problem with it.

May

I

come

back

for

just

a

moment

before

the break?

I'd like

to point

out the

main

motivation

and all of you ought to respond to the gospel.

In fact, I don't even think the word love is

mentioned

at

all,

is

it?

God,

with

these

good

gifts

that

he

gave

them,

plunges

them

down to destruction, whereas the believer is

prepared

for eternal

things.

God is one and indivisible.

Well, thank you.

And we

have a

question from our very faithful and.

Loyal listener and financial contributor, Grady in

Asheboro, North Carolina, who brings up an issue that has been brought to my

attention numerous times over the years, and there is also quite a bit

of debate and disagreement in the body of Christ and in academia,

even amongst Reformed Christians.

Grady says, Greetings, brothers.

It's my understanding that Dr. John Gill, one of Spurgeon's predecessors, was a

hyper -Calvinist.

Is this true, and are there other well -known theologians who are or were hyper

-Calvinists?

And I could tell Grady from first -hand knowledge that even amongst Reformed

Baptists, which Dr. Gill was, although he used the term particular Baptist,

we have disagreements amongst Tom

Nettles and his colleagues, some of his very dear, close colleagues and friends.

Dr. Nettles defends John Gill as not being a hyper -Calvinist, whereas some of those

folks that he labors with and loves disagree with him adamantly on that.

But I was wondering if, since he is a Baptist, I don't know how much Dr.

Engelsman knows about John Gill, but do you have any knowledge on his theology enough to know

whether or not you believe he was a hyper -Calvinist?

I acknowledge.

That according to my

limited study, a

strict Baptist, I

believe,

a

strict

Baptist, a

small

group, they were and are

opponents of Charles

Haddon Spurgeon and view him as an

Arminian.

Healer,

grace,

king's

son,

king's

son,

many

are

called,

more

who

are

called but

not elected.

Just like it's explained pretty clearly in John chapter 10, with

Jesus being the shepherd.

And only his

sheep hearing

his voice.

I would like to say that I'd like to get Pastor, or.

Should I say Dr. Nettles, back on my program so that he can give his side of that, because as I said, he is

no hyper -Calvinist himself, and he defends Dr. Gill as not being a hyper -Calvinist.

So it would be interesting to hear him thoroughly explain his side, because he is basically

dedicated to history, he is a historian, and seems to have read everything that Gill wrote,

so it will be interesting to hear his side.

But thank you, Grady, and make sure we have your full mailing address,

because you have won a free copy of the book that we are addressing today by

David J. Engelsman, Hyper -Calvinism and the Call of the Gospel, an Examination of the Well -Meant Offer

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We have Ronald in eastern Suffolk County, Long

Island, and Ronald says, I was wondering if you could exegete a

portion of 2 Thessalonians 2.

This is a perplexing passage to me, because it seems to

include both evidence that says it supports what you are saying, and

also evidence that, in a puzzling way, opposes what you are saying.

Let me start this by quoting from 2 Thessalonians 2, in

verse 9, The coming of the lawless one will be accompanied by the working

of Satan, with every kind of power, sign, and false wonder, and with every wicked

deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refuse the love of the

truth that would have saved them.

For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion,

so that they believe the lie, in order that judgment may come upon all

who have disbelieved the truth, and delighted in wickedness.

Where this seems to support what Professor Engelsman is saying, is that God

clearly is not desiring in love to save all men, since some of them

are being sent a delusion directly from Him, so that they believe a lie.

But on the other hand, it says right in these same texts that

they refuse the love of the truth that would have saved them.

That appears to be teaching that had God not sent the delusion, they would have believed.

Can you help me figure this out?

Well,

thank

you very

much,

and

guess

what?

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also won a

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Because in a day and age when many people

uh even many regenerate people sadly they want to leave the book

learning up to their pastors they think that these kinds of discussions are

nothing more than intellectual conversations meant only in to take place in

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But this is much more important uh than that.

Uh no matter what side of the equation on which you fall am i right.

Permission.

Yes

you

were

not

our

denial

of

yes

there

have

been

great

missionaries

of

history.

Great reformed calvinistic missionaries from history who

were uh having struggle and conflict with hyper calvinists

who basically didn't believe that there was a need to send the gospel to the pagan

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mind that fits

out of time and i want

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A sinner.