July 2, 2018 Show with Jason Wallace on “An Earnest Plea to Roman Catholics”

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And we are delighted to have as our returning guest today, Pastor Jason Wallace of Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah, which is a congregation in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church denomination, also known as the OPC.

He is a producer of a number of documentary videos meant for evangelizing Mormons and Catholics and homosexuals and their advocates. And today we are going to be discussing one of those documentaries, An Earnest Plea to Roman Catholics, and we're also going to be promoting an event that's being held this Friday, July 6th, at the Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah.

This is a debate between Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, who is an evangelical Protestant and Reformed Baptist, to be more specific, and a Mormon named Alma Allred, and there will be actually a conference that whole weekend following on the 7th and 8th.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Jason Wallace. I'm going to give our email address out right away so people have time to write in questions immediately at ChrisArnzen, at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name, at least your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA. Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. Well, Pastor Jason, since some of our listeners, and we seem to be getting new listeners every day, and that's not an exaggeration, since many of them may be totally unfamiliar with you and the Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah, why don't you tell our listeners about this wonderful congregation there, out in the suburbs of Salt Lake City?

I started 20 years ago from school, where Bible-believing Presbyterians, for you too, have said that it's helped lead them out of Mormonism to the biblical Jesus, and...

Praise God.

We've got eight videos about atheism from City Hall.

That's amazing that a place like Utah could have that happen. That's just utterly amazing to me.

Mormonism's the old Mormonism, in Lake City proper than in San Francisco proper.

Wow! Who would have guessed that?

She defeated, basically, an outdoor... more of a Bernie Sanders. It's also on YouTube, but the easy way to reach it is just...

Praise God. And now, let our listeners know about this exciting event that you are having, this coming Friday, July 6th, out there in Magna, Utah, at Christ Presbyterian Church, between Dr. James R. White and Alma Olred.

We're a small congregation.

Wow.

We're... to be good to us, he's done some when he met, actually, 30 years ago, when he... Mormon I've ever met in my life, 14 times. We would have him on to discuss various things. And, James, we actually arranged to...

Is Mormonism true? And they're going to dialogue. We say, no, it's not true.

Well, as I told Dr. White when I interviewed him last Friday, I was surprised that you would get a representative of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 2018 to be defending that thesis, that they are the one true church, in light of the fact that their public relations has totally reversed in that regard, at least from what I have experienced, even here in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, where there are a lot of Mormons roaming around, a lot of Mormon missionaries evangelizing.

And I've bumped into them in the streets a few times, and they had a robotic rehearsed statement to me. And I'm paraphrasing because I didn't record it or write it down, but it was something very similar to, you have probably heard that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints thinks they're the one true church, but that is not true.

We're just another Christian denomination, just like you are. And I was taken aback by hearing that. And I told him, do you realize how new and novel that concept is amongst the Mormons? I mean, the guy was in his early 20s, he looked, uh, the two guys, actually.

But I'm surprised, and I'd be shocked if they didn't know, because they're old enough to know that that wasn't always the spiel, as we say in New York.

Yeah, they have changed. It used to be, for any missionary, they used to be very, you can see the Mormon sponsors, if they had wanted to, they could have, but they didn't. They're afraid to offend in marching in the streets, in the Mormon church, all these various and they gave a lot of money.

One of the things that I wanted to ask you, I've been dying out of.

Curiosity, because James did not clarify whether he was just joking or not during the Divine Line. He was certainly joking about Alma Allred being one of the three Nephites. I know that he was saying that when he went to one of the major gatherings of the LDS church, I don't know if he called it the General Assembly or what it was, but he said, this was many years ago, he said there were three men walking around with beards and robes, claiming to be the 2 ,000 year old remaining Nephites.

Can you explain that? Were these men being serious, or were they doing it somewhat like somebody would dress like a character at a pageant of some kind or some kind of a fair or whatever? Like, for instance, if you had some kind of 1517 anniversary, 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation celebration, you might have a guy walking around looking like Luther, but were these guys serious or are they just dressing to be a part of the.

Entertainment at this event? Describing Or they were serious. You mean, you thought James White was serious? Yeah, and that they were serious as well, because, I mean, it's I mean, it used to be that James it used to be that and it was respectful

And this is what event, actually? I don't know if that's

General Conference. Okay. It's a twice a year, semi-annual conference that the LDS church has, and typically, other people really give you a sense, and so they'll be continuing church. You get? I mean, you got to do a lot of convincing to believe that you are yourself.

Over 2 ,000 years old. I mean, come on, there's got to be a knowable or should I say, they've got to be knowingly trying to deceive people when they are claiming that.

Utah has people who can Do you think the average Mormon thinks But by the way,.

Why don't you explain what we're even talking about as far as these Nephites are concerned? And my second question would be, would your average Mormon just think that they are nuts,.

Or charlatans, or how would they view those people? Yeah, the three Nephites are

The 12 apostles that Jesus chose for the American the North American continent.

Right. If I'm if I'm remembering correctly, Nephites, honestly, but you're you're and yet at the same and they're and so and one will say and then they go down that once I you have people, the three Nephites would probably

Yeah, in fact, they don't most.

Norman Normans. Don't most Mormons who are theologically and religiously knowledgeable about their faith, they believe, though, even if they believe that those specific three guys were fake, they believe, though, that the three Nephites are living somewhere in the United States, and they are over 2 ,000 years old.

Oh, yeah, and the apostle John. Yeah, amazing. Well, anyway, I don't want to preoccupy our entire show. I just thought it was fascinating when I was hearing James explain that, and like he does with many things on The Dividing Line, there are certain in-house things that he talks about that only he and maybe a handful of his friends know what he's talking about, and he doesn't explain what's going on, so I was left I was left wondering about that.

Well, tell us about this conference, the full-blown conference that James will be having that includes the debate.

Starting this Friday. Well, if anybody wants more information about this, we will be, God willing,.

Repeating this information throughout the broadcast, but the website for Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna, Utah is GospelUtah .org. GospelUtah .org, Utah is spelled out, it's not abbreviated, so we hope that if especially if you live within traveling distance to Utah, that you attend this event, and I'm assuming this is free?

Everything's free. Great. If you want to come to Covered Dish, it'd be nice if you could bring Great. Well, I want to move on now to the main theme that we are addressing today, and that is your new video, an earnest plea to Roman Catholics.

It's obviously something near and dear to my heart, being a former Roman Catholic, having parents that were Roman Catholic. My father was a convert from Episcopalianism to Roman Catholicism when I was a teenager, but my mother was a born and raised Roman Catholic, her parents were Roman Catholic from Poland, and thanks be to God, God gave me one of the most precious gifts that I ever received.

In fact, I would say the most precious gift next to my own salvation that he gave me was witnessing my mother during the last six weeks of her life on her deathbed, seeing her abandon the idolatry and superstition and false gospel of Roman Catholicism and embrace salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, and upon the finished work of Christ alone, which she made very clear in her testimony for the remaining six weeks of her life, and she ceased to pray to Mary and the saints, something that was a daily ritual for her.

She used to pray to Mary and Saint Jude and I don't know how many other saints. She was a very religiously minded Roman Catholic, but she just very, very calm, and what's the word I'm looking for? It wasn't like a bolt of lightning hit her and she said, wow, I've been wrong all these years and I now become formally converted into the Protestant faith.

It was nothing like that. She just very calmly in discussion said, you know, Chris, you're right. I'm just praying to Jesus from now on, and when I asked her why she thought she was going to heaven and I asked her, you've been a wonderful mother and your life is filled with good deeds and sacrifice and humility and religion.

Is any of that helping you get to heaven? And she said, no, no, Chris. And I said, well, why are you going to heaven? And she said, well, Jesus Christ paid for my sins on the cross. And I said, well, why aren't those good deeds that you've been doing all your life, why aren't they helping you get into heaven?

And she said, well, that would be like that story in the Bible where there is a Pharisee praying in the temple and he's bragging about all the things that he did and the sinful things that he did not do.

And he said that he thanked God that he was not like the tax collector that was also praying in the temple. And the tax collector said, Lord, be merciful to me, a sinner. And he beat his breast. And Jesus said that the tax collector was saved.

And Chris, I'm the tax collector. I almost fell off the chair when she said this to me. This was not a rehearsed or prompted the testimony. This was just naturally and calmly flowing out of her mouth as she was quickly approaching her last breath on earth, which occurred just a few weeks later.

And so this is very important to me, especially since, as you know, Jason, ecumenism between Protestants and Catholics is running rampant. And it's even getting more and more popular and common and typical amongst very conservative, very Calvinist congregations, denominations and people.

And it's really disturbing. And I'm sure it's just.

Disturbing to you. Very much so, Chris. What? Yeah, that's pretty, pretty stunning. Yeah. Well, watching the 1960s, I remember some of these things. I used to hear about them. And we're seeing, and even from the, you know, yes, the priest, you have Mary in the center.

You know, just to interrupt you for a second. When I speak to Roman Catholics, I don't know if you have the same experience. They don't seem to connect the dots. Like, for instance, they would not say Jesus Christ is insufficient.

They wouldn't say Christ's death on Calvary's cross was insufficient. But when they start explaining their devotion to Mary and the saints, and they start explaining how they are saved, they are revealing that they in truth are stating that they believe in the insufficiency of Christ, the insufficiency of his atoning death, and the insufficiency of the scriptures.

Whether they say it or not, that's clearly what they're believing.

Yes, very much. And I've seen, you know, and well, now they've repackaged it all, and they'll gush. But of course, the Jesus, the right things to get through the veil, then you.

Can also... Yeah, it seems like a combination of science fiction and Greek and Roman mythology.

Right. And with Roman Catholicism, and yet, I just feel, and then he builds on Yahweh, and God's not pleased. And yet still, when he comes down from the mountain, 3 ,000 men are killed. What? And so, works righteousness makes, but God isn't pleased.

Well, we have to go to our first break right now. If anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own, send us an email to chrisarnsen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with about 90 minutes to go is Jason Wallace, pastor of Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah. He's the producer of a number of documentary videos on Roman Catholicism, Mormonism, and homosexuality.

And today we are discussing his latest documentary video, An Earnest Plea to Roman Catholics. We also are discussing the upcoming LDS Protestant Dialogue between Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries and a Mormon scholar known as Alma Olred at Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah.

And for more details about this event this weekend, you can go to GospelUtah .org, and we will be repeating that throughout the program. If you have any questions for our guest, our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.

Before I start playing some clips of the new Roman Catholic documentary, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, once again, yours truly has contributed his beautiful voice to the documentary. I am at least in one part of the documentary narrating some of the anathemas against Protestants, and I burst out laughing probably so hard that neighbors from miles away could likely hear me laughing.

But out of nowhere, I get this private message, Facebook message. I'm so un-technical these days, I don't even know what to call these things. But anyway, it was an audio clip that we could actually play it, whoever sent it recorded his voice.

This happened to be our mutual friend, Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries, and the recording said, Chris Arnzen, anathematizing Protestants since 1563 with glee. But anyway, I thought that was quite humorous, but he really enjoyed this documentary a lot.

But before I go on to this, I know I've done this before, but I don't think you could do it too many times, because Roman Catholics who are unaware of the depth of idolatry that is inherent to their religion, they've got to hear this.

And this is not some quack that the Roman Catholic Church warns people about that I'm going to be quoting from. This is not some housewife in the Midwest who has bizarre manifestations and visions and all kinds of strange things that you could easily discount as, well, that's just an overly pious person with a mental problem.

This is a saint. This is somebody that the Catholic Church has canonized officially as a saint, somebody that Catholics pray to. And I'm speaking of Alphonsus Liguori, and I have to read this just to set the stage as to why you even created this documentary.

This is a prayer of Alphonsus Liguori called the Novena Prayer to Our Mother of Perpetual Help. Abandon sinners who have recourse to thee. Come to my aid, dearest mother, for I recommend myself to thee.

In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee do I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants. Take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For if thou wilt protect me, dear mother, I fear nothing, not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them, not from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together, nor even from Jesus my judge himself, because by one prayer from thee he will be appeased.

Now if that doesn't make you wilt with disgust, I cannot believe that you have a heart beating with the regenerating life of the Holy Spirit. And if you would care to comment.

Before we move on to clips from your documentary. Yeah, the deeper you go, we just venerate her statues, and yet it sure looks like one. There is no practical difference between worship and.

Veneration. If you were to look at someone kneeling next to another person, and one is worshiping God, and one is venerating Mary, you would not be able to distinguish in their actions and even in the words, like the words of Alphonsus Liguori, St. Alphonsus Liguori.

If you can't hear that prayer and not say that that man is an idolater, he is worshipping Mary, if you cannot say that, I don't think that you can be a regenerate individual. One of the.

Sections we deal with, co-mediator with Christ, the ninth, without sin like Jesus, and you go back and you have three in the old Vulgate. In fact, you sent me a clip of the Pope Pius IX,.

And is this the clip of what you are speaking about now, the Edgardo Morton? No, this is actually.

Later, this is the clip. But Jesus crushed the head of the serpent. Right, and if you see.

Many, if not most, statues of Mary, you will see under her bare feet, the serpent. Yeah,.

That they're not made, we make the video, watch the video themselves, and you're somewhat degree, right, who would be intimidated. Yes, in fact, I'm going to start with the clips after our midway.

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The aforementioned debate is being held between Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Reformed Baptist and Evangelical Protestant, and Alma Olred, a Mormon. And this is going to be held, as we mentioned, at Christ Presbyterian Church in Magna, Utah.

And that begins the first day of a three-day conference at Christ Presbyterian Church of Magna, Utah, from July 6th to July 8th. And for more details, go to GospelUtah .org, GospelUtah .org, and tell our friend Jason Wallace that you heard about the events from Chris Arns and an Iron Trip and Zion Radio.

The same day, and thankfully far, far away from that location, since we're not in any geographical competition here, but the same day I am running an event in New York City. It is the first Iron Trip and Zion Radio event in Manhattan that I have ever orchestrated since we launched in 2005.

I've had many events in different locations. In Long Island, New York, I've had many events, but never Manhattan before. And I'm looking forward to having all of you that are able to attend on Friday night, July 6th at 630 p .m., when Dr. Tony Costa, the professor of apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary, will be speaking at the First Baptist Church of New York City, a very historic church going back to the 1700s at least, on 79th and Broadway in Manhattan's Upper West Side.