Proving Jesus is the Messiah

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In Matthew 16 Jesus chastised the Pharisees who could interpret the appearance of the sky but failed to interpret the signs of the time in which they lived.

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Who are the Pharisees of our day? This strong hold of sort of whiteness and white identity and pristineness is really part of what keeps us from making progress.

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We need to do better. The church rich in theological scholarship has lingered in academic sanctuaries and ivory towers failing to translate its lofty doctrines into a tangible and practical cultural apologetic.

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At the Worldview Youth Academy we bridge this critical gap. Here theological depth is not an end in itself but a means to engage with contemporary cultural issues for the glory of God and the expansion of his kingdom.

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Our mission is to cultivate thinkers who can articulate and apply Christian truths within contemporary societal challenges.

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So embrace this call to worship God with all your heart, all your soul and with all your mind.

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We will do better as this next generation tears down the idols of our modern culture and works to build a brighter future toward Christendom 2 .0.

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No Mr. President you are not protecting reproductive freedom you are authorizing the destruction of freedom for 1 million little human beings every year.

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I'm sorry my friends but I am tired of seeing

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Jesus presented as a weak beggar. He is a powerful

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Savior and the gospel is not a suggestion it is a command.

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Reverend Moller don't you sympathize with that? I sympathize with every single human heart wishing to know the one true and living

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God but I believe there's only one way that that can happen through Jesus Christ and the gospel is about repenting of sin not celebrating it.

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Right now you're on the threshold of an amazing adventure. We will explore the spiritual abyss.

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You have not experienced this before. You're gonna love it.

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For to us a child is born to us a son is given and the government shall be upon his shoulder and his name should be called wonderful counselor mighty

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God everlasting father prince of peace of the increase of his government into peace there will be no end.

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On the throne of David and over his kingdom to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore the zeal of the

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Lord of hosts will do this. That's Isaiah 9 6 through 7.

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Apologia after show whether it's the full episodes of collision whether it's Apologia Academy or ask me anything a private stream once a month where we meet together with just our all access partners we can ask questions interact with each other via that medium and so there you go there's everything hey this is one of my very favorite subjects to talk about because it is everything recently at Apologia Church we have taken a small sidestep away from the series we've been in book of Proverbs wisdom from above verse by verse or about halfway through right now and so we're doing a series right now called core doctrine at Apologia Church and it some of it is is is sort of core doctrinal teachings of Apologia Church it could be things like post -millennialism theonomy presuppositional apologetics you know things like that that that are important to us we believe that they have major consequences we think that they're thoroughly biblical but there's some issues we would say it's core doctrine for us we we believe with all of our hearts it's biblical it's ectrogenical it's true but there are certain things that are core doctrine that are not essential doctrine like for example there are brothers that are in sisters who are far more rigorous than me and they're thinking and solid and just amazing and have been gifts to the church men like dr.

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John MacArthur dr. John MacArthur is I think responsible for ultimately leading me to Christ out of my drug addiction that's where I really feel like I really truly understood the gospel was reading

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MacArthur and yet MacArthur would disagree with us strongly on eschatology he is a premillennialist dispensational premillennialist of sorts and however so however we agree on the essential aspect of eschatology and that is a crisis returning to judge living in the dead there's gonna be a full and final resurrection of the of the just and the unjust and so we're in full agreement crisis returning bodily resurrection all of that but we disagree on some details about what happens as we get there and so there's the essentials we agree on an eschatology but we have core doctrine at Apologia Church that we teach from the pulpit and so in this series all that say we're kind of weaving in and out at Apologia Church in this short series on what is like a core doctrine not essential but then also essentials and so for example we started the which doing it like a line of building house anyways and so foundationally we're talking about who is

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God that's the first question we ask in terms of the Christian faith is who is God and so we started the entire discussion of core doctrine on the

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Trinity the nature of God the persons of the Trinity and so we spent two weeks on that and now we're moving to the next question

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I think is important as we build that house is who is Jesus and is Jesus the promised

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Messiah because everything really and why that matters hangs on that like all the other parts of Christian doctrine are ultimately irrelevant if Jesus isn't actually the promised

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Messiah and I think most most of you guys would probably agree with me on that is if Jesus isn't the Messiah then teachings are ultimately irrelevant and and so everything kind of hangs in the balance on that question is

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Jesus the Messiah you use the trilemma and your sermon yeah you said he's either Lord liar or lunatic right he was either a madman or a con man yeah or he is who he said he was

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God exactly and I wanted to use that terminology of course that comes from C .S. Lewis the terminology of madman or con man because I think that that probably strikes all of us in in the modern a little a little more impactful in terms of a con man someone who engages in trickery and deception and they're trying to you know get gain or madman someone that's just another they're crazy and or he's

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Lord he's who he claimed to be and and so that's that's where we were at right now

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I'm doing the second part of the sermon this Sunday it's actually my favorite part believe it or not even though like I can talk for days on the on the first part in terms of the direct messianic prophecies towards Jesus they're astonishing but I think that there's a level we're going to talk about today in terms of the symbolism fulfilled in Jesus that to me is just undeniably divine people couldn't have thought through that 1 ,500 years before Christ they didn't even know what ultimately they were doing when they're doing these rituals and all these different practices and customs they're they're separated so far from one another as this revelation is being unfolded in history and they couldn't have even foresaw a foresaw exactly this is a good point when you talk about the symbols and I'm jumping ahead here but let me tell you how excited

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I'm spoiler alert spoiler alert for me the direct prophecies of Jesus in the

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Old Testament in terms of the who the where the why the what the when the how fulfilled in Jesus the specific timing indicators like literally nailing down the time of the

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Messiah putting a guard rail around the timing of the Messiah so that like when that temple falls if there's no

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Messiah there is no Messiah because it had to he had to appear and be cut off before that temple was destroyed those are astonishing to me but the symbolism is wild to me it's wild because you'll read things in the

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Old Testament that look they're weird for us to look at but they were also probably kind of weird for the

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Jews when they receive them like okay we're here here's this ritual thing we got to do there's all this symbolism here I okay

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Yahweh commands us to do this and so we're gonna do it but they didn't understand exactly why right it's

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Yahweh says and they do and so that's what happened yeah but they couldn't have possibly foresaw what it was gonna ultimately be and its fulfillment in Mashiach but here's proof of it are you ready for this here's proof of it that they didn't know 1400 years before Jesus when

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Moses is coming and all that's taking place but proof that they did not even comprehend this was that the disciples themselves they are tripped up by this and confused by this whole situation like they didn't just like have the ministry of Jesus and understand all these things perfectly in his life in ministry in his death and resurrection

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I mean they're running they're like denying they even know Jesus and they're like the road to Emmaus like disciples are confused like we thought it was a

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Messiah he's dead now he's murdered we saw him yeah they had preconceptions yeah but it certainly didn't look like what they were expecting

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I think that that is for absolute certain it's like and I think that goes along with the message of the

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Apostles is that okay brothers here it is here's the hope and consolation of Israel it didn't look exactly like what we were expecting but he's come yeah and those disciples it was only post resurrection and post ascension that they began to go oh my goodness this was there the whole time and look at the fulfillment and and nobody controlled this nobody's controlling the narrative like it is to finally orchestrated here's the point it unfolds right on top of them right like they're not even prepared for it like I mean

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Peter for crying out loud is telling Jesus like no you're not gonna go and die like we're not gonna let that happen kind of a thing like right how much do they understand this how much are they manipulating the process they're not it's unfolding right on top of them and that's why

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I think the symbols fulfilled in Jesus are just so trippy yeah and and and there's no way honestly to plumb the depths of the more and I said this at church the older I get right more realize you don't know yeah the more

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I realize I don't understand and don't know and there's so much more to learn and somebody might like hear a message that I give on the symbolism of a messianic prophecy fulfilled me man you know so much

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I'm gonna say like get busy because I know so very little there is so much more depth to plumb and and to get out and I I'm constantly excited about that and that's why

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I love God's Word is there so much that I don't know that I get to learn and understand more and I feel like regularly

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I'm presented with something new like I never even understood that that's unbelievable man God is amazing yeah and but I want to say to start with us that this question is important because as I said and I think everybody listening would agree with me on this all of the

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Christian life all Christian praxis everything Christian ethical systems all depend upon the question being answered rightly as to whether Jesus is actually the

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Messiah the promised Messiah like it doesn't do us any good to follow Jesus because it makes us feel good like that is not the

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Christian apologetic like it's true because I feel like it's true it's true because I prayed about it it's true because I had an experience and look

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I even said it I said on Sunday look your experience in my experience in Jesus is valid if it's true that Jesus is the

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Messiah right because everybody from across a broad spectrum of religions can give you their conversion story

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I mean you can like after the show just look up YouTube and conversion stories of Mormonism Jehovah's Witnesses Islam you name the religion there's conversion stories and some of them are quite powerful and emotional as a matter of fact

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I mentioned because it's so close to us you know you're not gonna go to a local ward in the East Valley here in Arizona on a

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Sunday without sitting through hours of people crying giving their testimony of how they prayed about the

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Book of Mormon or how they became a Latter -day Saint completely sincere completely sincere with tears with tears and so the point is is that we cannot say that we believe

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Jesus is the Messiah because it seems so right to us it feels so good to us because I have had this personal encounter with Jesus I'm sorry that is not an epistemologically sound place to stand is it true in my own life in your life that Jesus saved me changed my mind changed my heart he's still he's still changing me like that I know him

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I love him but you said this in the sermon yes it's not just what the

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Bible says about him it's what do you do with the specific claims that he made of himself yeah and the call that he makes like when he calls you to come and die yeah is that a call that you've responded to yeah is and the only way that you can know that is if scripture has indeed led you to the conclusion that he is who he said he was that he's

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God he's El Gabor right from the passage that you quoted already he is

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Lord of creation he receives worship he forgives sins right you have to see these things you have to hear who he is who he is telling you he is and you have to come on his terms right that's what it means for him to be

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Lord yeah and so I like when you put that distinction because a lot of people like the fruit of his message the love your neighbor as yourself love your enemy all of those things that people like about Jesus and about the

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Christian movement but it's devoid of actually having him and knowing him and treasuring him as Lord and Savior have you done that do you want

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Christ yeah or do you just want his stuff yeah yeah or there's such a great like even I try to challenge our kids all the time at Apologia Church with this like I was doing our youth group for a number of months and all the pastors are trying to pour into the kids and one of the things that has kept stressing over and over and over and over again to the teens of our church is that you have to come to Jesus because of you and your relationship with him not mom and dad your parents not because you're comfortable in this community

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Christian communities are awesome they're awesome there's love there's support there's affection there's hospitality there's graciousness there's a call to love one another as you love yourself that's a great community a part of it's awesome but that's not that's not gonna sustain you in life is that I really like this community it feels comfortable to me

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I'm trying to challenge people you need to know that Jesus is the Messiah and you have repented and you have believed in him you have come to die with with Christ and rise from the dead and that's a pretty that's a pretty tall order in terms of the message of Jesus and this is what we went back to on that dilemma is that or trilemma you have you know he's he's making claims about himself let's be honest about it as Christians as they're trying to impress upon us as a church

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Jesus making claims that do not allow us to place him in sort of a mid space between like I really like his ethical teachings

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I love you know he's very loving and let the children come to me and he's with taxes tax collectors and prostitutes you know he loves sinners he didn't come for the righteous but the unrighteous and and and and you know this he came for the sick not total claims about all of reality yeah exactly you can't be in the middle there and go

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I really like those things and like to turn the other cheek kind of stuff but I don't want I don't want to like really hear those other claims of exclusivity that Jesus makes like John 14 6

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I'm the way and the truth and the life no man comes to the Father but by me or when Jesus turns to the crowds and says to them if anyone comes to me and does not hate and then he names your favorite people and he says you also have to take up your cross to come and die and he basically says like you know count the cost of coming to me or don't come to me and then he loses this massive crowd well there's the message of Jesus why isn't everyone attaching to that and you so you can't say

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I think he's a great moral teacher a great ethical teacher he's a great man he's a great model blah blah blah and and you

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I'll take that but I won't take these exclusive claims you're not allowed to do that with Jesus because he also said that he was

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God he also said that unless you believe ego a me I am you will die in your sins he also said before Abraham was

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I am he also received worship he also claimed to be able to forgive sins and people say who can forgive sins but God alone exactly exactly he showed power over his own creation he's walking on water he's healing the sick and the blind and the deaf and the lame and he's raising people from death to life and he's called the

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Savior and God says in his word as if 4311 I even I am Yahweh and besides me there is no

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Savior and here's Jesus is the Savior so here's the point you cannot take the message of Jesus and say

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I like half of it like he's because look he said some other things too and if he if if he wasn't those things like if he's not the only

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Savior if he's not a prophet priest and king if he's not God in the flesh then he's crazy yeah he's crazy if he thought he was and he's really not then he's he's crazy and you're not supposed to follow crazy people if Jesus is someone who was self -deceived and he really wasn't

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God the creator of all things the only one worship worthy of worship if he really isn't

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God then he's crazy you know you mentioned not be able to plumb the depths of this and this just occurred to me is there ever a point that you can imagine in the narrative of the

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Gospels where Jesus isn't absolutely sure about who he is and what he came to do right not for one moment right not for one recorded instance in his life or in his ministry did he doubt who he was and why he was here that's exactly right we do exactly and so he knows he knows who he's claiming to be and so again no middle ground with Jesus you can't say well

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I personally like some of his ethical system stuff was like nope he doesn't let you do that he says come and die or don't come take up your cross to come and die or don't come you need to love everybody in comparison to me less if they're more than me you're not worthy to be my disciple it's total it's all of life it's comprehensive it's every inch of you it's everything inside outside it's all of you how about being able to stand up and say which of you convicts me of sin could any other human being make that claim upon his own meritorious record

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I couldn't say that this week with my family yeah they'd all be saying have a seat dad yeah what you sit this one yeah you know but but he can say that Jesus can say which which of you accuse me of sin he could say it to his enemies and he could say it to his family he could say it to his closest disciples who have walked with him people know him best he could say which of you accuse me of sin and it's silence not a word no one can do it and and so then the next thing

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I impressed was Jesus doesn't allow a middle space with himself in terms of I like his ethical system he's a good moral teacher a good man yada yada but I want to reject his other claims because look if he knew if he knew he wasn't

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God in the flesh if he knew he wasn't the Messiah sent from the Father I've come down from heaven not to do my will but the will of him who sent me and this is the will of him who has sent me that of all that he has given to me

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I should lose nothing okay now he's saying that so it's true or he's self -deceived and crazy or he knew he wasn't sent from God and he was deceiving people right because if it's not true if he's not the

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Messiah then pick pick which one which lane you in is he a is he a con man is he a madman is he

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Lord and so we're just not allowed as Christians to have that middle space with Jesus because Jesus doesn't allow the call of the gospel to be presented like that it's total repent and believe the gospel come to Christ and live come to die trust in Christ he's the only way to salvation it's it's a total all -encompassing all -of -life thing and so that presents also a challenge that I like to make to my brothers and sisters as often as I can is do you know why you believe that Jesus is the

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Messiah so and I'll just put it to you in this way and exactly you can jump in on this what you do see in the

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New Testament started the Gospels so in Luke 24 wrote to Emmaus very confused disciples after the resurrection of Jesus they just saw the man dead murdered on a tree they saw him pierced through his side they see blood and water flow out he's dead dead dead and he's in a he's in a grave very dead yeah and they know that you know dead people don't typically come to life but you know we saw the miracles of Jesus what was that about he's raising people to life but like can he raise himself to life my house a dead person move or do anything to raise themself and Jesus did say by the way he would he says destroy exactly and in three days

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I will raise it up once again certainty about his claims who he was exactly no one takes my life for me

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I lay down a moan accord but so when you consider the road to Emmaus experience where Jesus then is walking with them on that road and he's like what's going on what are you guys talking about they're like what do you mean where you been kind of a thing

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I'm paraphrasing I love how he approaches that interaction guys tell me about this what's up guys and and then

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Jesus calls them foolish and on what basis this is the key this is the key this is what

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I'm gonna say is the epistemological foundation if someone says I don't know what that word means yes you do it's the theory of knowledge how do you know that's true how do you know it's true right now just I feel it's true no no how do you know that that's actually true so for Jesus when he chastises him he says foolish why he says slow of heart to believe all that the prophets had spoken and so his point is the anchor for Jesus after the resurrection is you guys should have known this what are you doing being so foolish and confused heart the prophet said this was gonna happen yes the

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Old Testament is not ambiguous and I hate when people say that who was

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I talking to that said that Andy Stanley what like it's just up in the air Andy Stanley somewhere somewhere in the debate

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I had the radio debate I had with Andy Stanley and unbelievable radio it's somewhere online YouTube I think we it's it's been seen a lot on YouTube somewhere in there

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I can't remember what exactly how he said it but it kind of like threw me I was like what and but there was so much to deal with I didn't get chance to really deal with that about the resurrection question it was like it was prophesied in the

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Old Testament and he was like well sort of and it's like sort of sort of I'm pretty sure it was

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Jesus said to those disciples on the road to Emmaus foolish slow of heart to believe all that the prophets had spoken and it was in relation to his death and resurrection so it's not ambiguous in the

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Old Testament that the Messiah was gonna be cut off and that he would prolong his days right that the Messiah was gonna die and rise again it's in the

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Old Testament and so does the phrase son of man not have any meaning I mean again connecting it to the very beginning which is where you're going here he gave him the greatest

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Bible study in the history of the world but where did he start and we'd like to think he'd started a certain place but talking about his connection to Adam as the last

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Adam as the second Adam well where did Adam come from he came from the ground you know from from the dirt where does

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Jesus come from well he comes out of the ground and then he's seen working the ground yeah there's the first you know recorded witness only what

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Adam was supposed yeah just the gardener the you know the last gardener the constant gardener if you want to get theatrical just the one that God told to like tend his garden and take dominion yeah yeah getting ahead of ourselves a little bit just we love this the symbolism it's so deep and so so amazing so it's like the soil my point is is so Jesus anchors the messianic his mess his the validity of his messianic title to the

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Old Testament scriptures and so he takes him through the Old Testament showing everywhere that the Moses and the prophets had spoken about him so he said that stories about me yeah that Old Testament story they were all talking about me not somebody else that's a bold claim by the way yeah could a madman or a lunatic have made that claim you know yeah man yeah so the next one is as you move through in a

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New Testament you see the testimony of the leadership of the early church and the Apostles approaching the question of whether Jesus is the

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Messiah not like many evangelicals or I would say sorry I'd say in many

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Mormons or I would say many evangelicals do today and they base it upon their own personal experience

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I'm not saying your testimony isn't relevant they are valid or valid of course it is but only if only if Jesus is who he claimed to be and the way you know

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Jesus is who he claimed to be is the same way the Apostles showed it so when

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Pentecost is happening where are they attaching this understanding of what's taken place they're quoting the

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Old Testament scriptures that's what Peter's doing right he's connecting pentagon it to themselves he's saying that story is what we are living in yeah right yeah this story is our story right like we have been we have been made a part of it yeah so that is this or he says the other way he says this is that which

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Joel the Prophet Joel spoke of and Jesus does that in terms of his own ministry he stands up to reach from the scroll of Isaiah and what does he say he says the spirit of the

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Sovereign Lord is upon me he has anointed me Mashiach yeah anointed one yeah right he is the anointed

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King that establishes the rule of God over the world that's what the Messiah means right and in Israel the

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Kings were anointed right for their particular duties you have instances of prophets and priests being anointed too but in the terms of the

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Davidic dynasty right there was a descendant of David promised that would come who would sit on David's throne right he would come from the lineage of David and that's why in the

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New Testament the Gospels open up with all these genealogies to show you that Jesus has the royal right to David's throne he's

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David's son right right he's the heir of the Davidic dynasty but the thing about it is the heir of the Davidic dynasty has dominion over everything yeah all the nation not just Israel right over the ends of the earth all the nations are gonna come to him again getting ahead of ourselves no no keep the

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Messiah filling out like that the Messiah is the anointed King he is the one upon whom the

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Spirit of God rests that's right in a particular sense right he is the one who will build a house for God's name right

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David one of your descent is descendants is gonna sit on your throne Nathan says to David and second

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Samuel 7 you're gonna have a descendant that sits on your throne and he's he's gonna build a house right and that dynasty that he builds is going to be in perpetuity right it's gonna continue yep so and into the point you are making when

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Jesus is reading from that scroll in the synagogue he says today this day the scripture is fulfilled again he's just this is me yeah it's me this is me and so that's what

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Jesus is doing that's what the Apostles are doing at the beginning of Acts that's how they went into the world they didn't just say hey guys we've had this great experience and you know feels good to us and you should join our group and like you know pray about this they didn't do that they said all that is what we're living in right now

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Jesus is a fulfillment of all of that and then when the Apostle Paul who was once an antagonist towards the Christian Church he says in Galatians that he persecuted the

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Church of God and he tried to destroy it that was his mission he didn't he wasn't open -minded to the message of Jesus or the testimony of the

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Apostles or the early Christians he's not open -minded he has the Damascus Road experience where now he sees

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Jesus alive from the dead and then what happens it says that he takes a beeline to Damascus doing what going straight to the synagogue where they respect and revere the

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Old Testament Scriptures and what does he do he uses the Scriptures to reason with the

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Jews to prove Jesus is the Messiah he's not coming saying hey there's great experience on the road and you know I saw

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Jesus I'm sure that came out I saw Jesus love me but he wasn't basing it on that the Jews don't need to hear that that's like you know you're telling tales out of the schoolyard

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I don't I don't have to believe anything you're saying that was who was there who witnessed this you know it would be so hard to simply try to like shake their doubt loose with his own personal experience story right like I've really met

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Jesus that's not how Paul does it he says here's the Scriptures Jesus is a fulfillment and then

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Apollos in Acts chapter 18 he is eloquent mighty in the

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Scriptures and it says he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly proving that Jesus is the

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Messiah and he does so on the basis of the Scriptures and that's how the early

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Christian Church did this is they did it on the basis of the Scriptures so my point is we could do more on this

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Jesus anchors it in the Old Testament prophecies the early church in the book of Acts is doing exactly that and that's the flow you see throughout the

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New Testament record as that revelation is is ongoing before the destruction of the Jewish temple it's just this constant appeal not to this theological novum or this novelty in history of like oh wow look we get this new thing with Jesus and it's totally disconnected from the

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Old Testament they were going no it's same story yeah where their testimony is unequivocally clear brothers what

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God spoke through our fathers the prophets this he has realized in the coming of this man right he's the man that you crucified and put to death that's right and but God has raised him from the dead yeah right that's how acts begins and then you have that giant genuine revival where 3 ,000 people get saved a real revival yeah real one with real repentance and faith but so that the whole point

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Zack and I are making on on this is that it's to ask a question can you do that can you do it can you demonstrate from the

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Old Testament why you believe that Jesus is the fulfillment of all the promises of Messiah can you do that and I and I I'm repeating what

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I said in Sunday's message go through Apologia Studios feed you'll be able to listen to the message from last Sunday and then obviously wait for this next

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Sunday to get more but I made a challenge to our church body in terms of look

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Scripture says in first Peter 315 there's other places to you can do Jude verse 3 earnestly contend for the faith which is once for all to deliver to the

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Saints but in first Peter 315 it says to set Christ apart as Yahweh in your hearts always being ready to give an

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Apologia a reason defense to everyone who asks of you a reason for the hope that's within you yet do it with gentleness and with reverence and so that command that call goes out there's no gender there's no gender hook there like men men be ready yeah that was a powerful point yeah

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I always and all that always be ready Christian you need to be ready it's not to say and I mean I try to make this point as clear as possible it's not to say that like every

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Christian is going to be a dr. James White you know almost 200 public moderated debates with some of the best heavy hitters from every different worldview we're not saying that you're gonna be you need to be an apologist on the level of someone like dr.

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Greg Bonson those guys are specially gifted by God to do what they did and praise

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God for them but however you do need to know why you believe what you believe and you need to be able to defend it give a reason that's what

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God says and I did make the point about moms you know women should women be apologists every

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Christian woman should be an apologist for the Christian faith you better mama bear apologies you better know your faith and you better be able to defend it share the gospel and I also made the point to like homeschooling moms you know this amazing divine gift that mothers and wives are in the home you know you might think like well you know it's not my responsibility to like you know go too in -depth on that it's like oh okay well you're homeschooling right well how are your kids gonna learn this this is so funny to me because you know we stress so much about curriculums homeschool curriculums classical curriculums you know all of these yeah guilty totally guilty like okay

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I want a great curriculum I want it to integrate the Christian faith into every single subject and all this stuff and it's like well what about the actual curriculum of Christ like the

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Word of God yeah like are we making that the priority in our homes with our children and our families yeah like I was the first thing that they're cutting their teeth on who

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Jesus is yeah and and look how because of course dads you're the father head of the house all that you're discipling your kids you're having those regular ongoing conversations just on the way to the store something comes up that's discipleship happening like on the go everything's you know it can be more specific it's just all of life that's how

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I see you know discipleship my home it's all of life everything is a point of contact for a conversation all of that and so it's all of life it's it's really follow me as I follow

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Jesus listen let's engage with that but with with a mom who is homeschooling look the dad better not be doing the lion share of homeschooling in the home if he is how's he feeding the family get what

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I'm saying so the lion's share of it's gonna be the mother that's just sort of functionally how it's gonna work in a home that's properly ordered the man is earning the man is providing the man is working and laboring and mom is is there doing the lion's share of the homeschooling

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I think every homeschooling family would say yeah that's how it works it has to be but what happens mom when you are in the midst of a conversation with say an eight or nine year old that's inquisitive and has some tough questions or like you're 12 or 13 year old has like a crisis of faith and they want to know why why do we believe this why am

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I supposed to actually follow Jesus like this look you need to be able to explain well let me take you to the

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Bible here did you know that the Bible tells you when Jesus is gonna come that prophesies in a hundred years before he comes and it's exactly on the dot and he accomplishes all these things look for your own eyes it's right here in the text can you take your children through that if they have those questions or better if you're at Starbucks or some coffee shop and you're sitting down with your

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Bible open and someone sits down in front of you and says hey you're a Christian yeah I'm a Christian well I'm not and I have questions

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I want to know why do you follow Jesus that's happened to me that kind of stuff has happened to me more times than I can remember in my life being out somewhere and someone just be it just challenges just come up it just happens it just sort of gravitates towards hey you know what he looks like he does sometimes

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I'm minding my own business and it happens and sometimes I'm not minding my own business I sort of force it to happen but my point is is can you defend why you believe

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Jesus is the Messiah and so what I did years ago I created this an acrostic right an acrostic and I did it because I wanted to provide what was one honestly

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I did it because I wanted to provide something I believed every Christian needs to know because it is an essential question if Jesus isn't the

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Messiah then nothing else matters period but I also wanted to do something because I just love this so much and I believe it is something that is so life -transforming for the individual who learns it and it creates so much of a passion to tell others about Jesus so I created the acrostic just off the question is

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Jesus the Messiah and my answer is most definitely he is and it's

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M -O -S -T and it's Messianic prophecies fulfilled in Jesus the original life of Jesus that by the way it needs to be like it was to fulfill those

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Old Testament prophecies so much of this weaves together the symbolism fulfilled in Jesus from the

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Old Testament prophecies and the last one is the transformation of the world the

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Apostles and lives today and that by the way goes back to more Messianic prophecy as to what had to take place with the

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Messiah himself and so my answer is most definitely and we build it out based upon sort of those points you're gonna say something all

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I'll say in that last point is man that just doesn't get enough love sometimes like I mean you can go to the scriptures and talk about what the

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Messiah's rule is gonna do to the world and all that but then how about a cursory glance of history anyone like yeah can we describe the world in all of its vast advancements apart from the gospel and the

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Christian faith in education in the dignity of women in health care in the arts and the sciences anything any area of endeavor at a societal level at a corporate level at an individual level can you make the case that any nation that's come into contact with the gospel has been worse off no no it is dramatically impacted every place it's touched and everywhere it falls off is because it disconnects itself yes from the

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Christian message experience decline and from the law of God and so that's that's a fact so let's let's we're going we've talked a lot already yes this might be this might we throw in a sponsor real fast might be two episodes let's do that actually you do our sponsors real okay

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M is Messianic prophecies the who the where the what the how the when every detail in the

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Old Testament necessary to know Jesus as Lord as Savior as Messiah is there his his personal identity we started with today in Isaiah chapter 9 now this is what's so important about this is

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Isaiah chapter 9 you can see that when Jesus is quoted in Matthew check let me just go to it so you can see if you if you open your

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Bibles to Matthew chapter 4 you'll see as Matthew's unfolding this amazing narrative of Jesus as the

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Messiah in so many ways that are just so deep Jesus is gone he's gone into the temptation he comes out of the temptation and in Matthew chapter 4 starting in verse 12

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Jesus leaves Nazareth he goes to he and he went and lived in Capernaum by the sea in the territory of Zebulun and Naphtali so that what was spoken by the

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Prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled and that is a quotation sorry from Isaiah chapter 9 so as you look at Isaiah 9

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Isaiah 9 opens with that and Isaiah 9 verse 6 is the verse we were in the two verses we're in 6 & 7 is the verses that talk about the personal identity of the

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Messiah this is really what I think is so powerful about this particular text is that Isaiah is written over 600 years before the time of Jesus and so before the life the ministry the death and the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Isaiah has already been pinned down it's already down we have a scroll of Isaiah and this is this is compelling it is compelling at the time of the discovery the

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Dead Sea Scrolls we had a because all these papyrus and all these things turned to dust after time right so like that's the that's the hard thing with like these ancient scrolls is that they don't last very long right it's not like a hard drive or something like that and even that I don't even know how that would do after 2 ,000 years to be honest with you but they turn to dust they don't do very well if they get wet they're destroyed kind of thing and you know typically are finding these in the warmer climates but at the time the scroll of Isaiah the oldest extant scroll of Isaiah that we had

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I believe was from around 900 AD and yeah that's right so about 900

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AD and when the Dead Sea Scroll discovery happened it was amazing because we had an entire scroll of Isaiah right that matches what we have today

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I mean there's differences in terms of like authorship style spelling those sorts of things but like it's the same thing it's same message everything's there and though Isaiah was written hundreds of years before Jesus this scroll we have today that you can view online this scroll predated

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Christ by about 200 years so this thing is like buried in a pot right in the area of the

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Qumran and it predates Christ by about 200 years his ministry by 200 years and in Isaiah so you got that background now okay this is long before Jesus Isaiah is a monotheistic

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Jew he believes there's only one God none before none after he says it over and over and over again

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I mean Isaiah chapter 40 through 46 is his epic throwdown from the true God against the false gods of mankind and you have of course the the famous text there

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Isaiah 43 10 you are witnesses as the Lord my servant who have chosen you may know and believe me and understand that I am he before me there was no

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God formed and neither shall it be after me Isaiah 44 6 I am the first and I'm the last besides me there is no

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God Isaiah 44 8 is there a God besides me there is no other God I know not one and there's more he talks about God's supremacy over the idols of men and how their idols can't tell them the future because they don't control it and they can't tell you the past and why it happened the way that happened only the sovereign

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God can do that so Isaiah is a monotheist he believes there is only one God and yet oddly hundreds of years before Jesus he says in Isaiah 9 6 through 7 he says that a son a child is born a son is given so what's a child what's a son well that's a human it's one of us a child a son the government should be upon his shoulder and his name should be called and it says wonderful counselor okay that's strange how is this son and a child being identified with titles that are exclusive to Yahweh yeah weird and how can a child who always has a beginning be

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El Gabor yeah El Gabor is eternal that's the point what are we talking about a mighty

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God the mighty God it just a page later in Isaiah you're gonna see Yahweh is called the mighty

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God so who is this one that's coming and that's what I say is is is stuff that shows the divine fingerprints here on the text is that these people are monotheists they believe there's only one

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God and though this revelation is written by them from God through them they're writing it down they couldn't have possibly comprehended exactly what what is what is exactly all of this mean because there's only one

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God and yet El Gabor is coming as a son and as a child so you got the incarnation promised in the

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Old Testament El Gabor is an exclusive title of Yahweh it is the mighty God right the father of eternity and so that's a powerful one in terms of identity so what when

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I say messianic prophecies what I these all weave together of course but messianic prophecies

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I mean direct it's like here's what's gonna happen here's who's coming here's how it's gonna happen here's when all that stuff is there so I'm talking a messianic prophecies like direct this is exactly what it says is supposed to happen the who the where the why the what and how all the when all that's there and so the where you could do a couple things with this but I think one of my favorites is

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Micah chapter 5 verse 2 and it talks about Bethlehem this one coming from Bethlehem his goings -forth are from old yea even from everlasting from eternity well you got two things there actually don't you you've got the when or sorry the where and you've got the who you've got the one that is from everlasting coming to Bethlehem and that's powerful super powerful right that's the way you have the twirl entering into actual history right time that's

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I think that's one of the compelling parts right there yes you have the what the eternal one entering temporal space yeah and you know you can maybe understand initially some of the frustration and confusion of those

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Jews who first came into contact with Jesus when we're talking about Jesus of Nazareth right there like can any good thing no nothing town from Nazareth you always call it

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AJ which is where I'm from so thanks very much I always you know I always like to make our Apache Junction people upset and but like you know they say

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Nazareth like what's the king of the universe doing coming from this nothing little town Nazareth yeah well the truth is is that he was born in Bethlehem which is precisely where the

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Messiah had to come from if they would just simply ask some questions they could have discovered that like hey where were you born like where you actually from and Jesus of course spent those that early time in Bethlehem and then they escaped and ultimately ended up in Nazareth and that's where he was raised and Matthew's gospel this also goes along there's so many directions you can go with this but Matthew's gospel quotes the prophecy in Hosea talking about out of Egypt I called my son referring to Israel Israel and Israel is referred to in the book of Isaiah everywhere

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I'm in so many places Isaiah chapter 9 right here at the beginning Isaiah 49 as a light for the nation's right so in the context of Isaiah attributing to the nation of Israel being a light for the nation's you also have the same dramatic symbolism of Jesus in Matthew's gospel being the true and better Israel right right he succeeds in every way that they fail in the same way that father

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Adam failed right he failed to rule the rule the world and to advanced advance the dominion of God and do what was becoming with his inheritance he dropped the ball he failed all of us were brought into that and that's why the

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Messiah's role is restoring renewing reconciling all that was dropped and all that was failed and that's what makes

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Jesus who he is he's the one that reclaims all of this for God so the point there simply put as you said is that Jesus accomplishes where Adam failed

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Jesus does everything Adam was supposed to do and so he's the perfect image of God he's the perfect Adam and where Israel was supposed to be the servant of God a light to the nation the servant right all those things in Israel over Isaiah Israel is called the servant of God right where Israel fails in their vocation

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Jesus succeeds and that's that's what Matthew shows over and over I mean even with the wandering in the wilderness yeah like okay so as Jesus just superstars real strong 40 days 40 nights what does this point to that he's driven as a true and perfect Israel into the wilderness and he does what

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Adam didn't do and he does what Israel didn't do he recapitulates the journey of Israel right through the wilderness and what it is real do they failed mm -hmm over and over to try over again to trust and obey yes to trust song says yes

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I say that to my kids today yeah but to utilize also the Word of God to defeat the enemy that's right which we all need a lot of yeah a lot of so sorry we're in Isaiah 9 yeah okay so there you go okay see we could just go for there's ever anything over there's rabbit so um but as you move through the question of messianic prophecies you've got

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Isaiah 9 you've got a micro chapter 5 verse 2 and we're not even going to begin to tap this in your hearing today at all but then you have to ask the next question and we should probably start to get to this part now and that is a the the what and the why questions like what is going to be accomplished and the why of of it all and man can

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I just say one thing about this I always find this so interesting I know I've said it to you before I noticed you know getting into an understanding and grounding yourself in this the same exact verses we use to demonstrate that Jesus is the

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Messiah who he is what what is this his identity are usually the same passages that we use to articulate the post -millennial hope that's right

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I don't know if oh I've got connection I noticed that that connection for me is huge because it's not just who is the

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Messiah like what's his identity but also the the details of his coming and then on top of that the nature of his mission and the success of his mission yeah if you look at these passages more times than not you're gonna find the identity of the

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Messiah and the success of his mission together yeah yeah I just think that's very powerful that's that's one of the things that made me a post -millennialist yeah it's because I was first so connected to all these passages about the mess messianic hope about the

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Jesus as the Messiah and so when I was willing to finally take the blinders off right and sort of like be willing to check my eschatology

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I sort of fell right into post -millennialism in terms of like I already knew the promises of the

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Messiah they're all connected yeah and so the you know the leap wasn't certainly as long it wasn't very hard there

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I was already familiar with the texts yeah and let's we try something so we're gonna try to do some of the what and the why right like what's gonna happen why is it gonna happen so can you go to Isaiah 53 yeah sure

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I want to see you do this okay you take you take the you take the class through Isaiah 53 okay class gather around gather okay

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I mean even before Isaiah 53 we're talking about Isaiah 50 yes talking about the one you know who has the the tongue of those who are taught the one whom they're going to brutalize and abuse and pull out his beard and and all of these you know dramatic foreshadowings of the ministry of Jesus I'm talking about his passion but even more specifically it's the one that everybody knows

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I think you know a lot of Christians are familiar with this they've read this they've seen the passion of the

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Christ it's even right at the front of the movie Isaiah 53 right he was pierced for our transgressions crushed for our iniquities it begins who's believed what he has heard from us and to whom is the arm of the

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Lord been revealed for he grew up before him like a young plant like a root out of dry ground he had no former majesty that we should look at him and no beauty that we should desire him so again the

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Messiah comes from Nazareth from Bethlehem there's there's not gonna be anything flashy about his appearance of course you could talk about in his incarnation in his birth there was a chorus of angels in heaven giving the greatest you know chorus ever seen among men of course you could say that but the thing was

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Jesus didn't glow when he walked down the street right he was transfigured of course at a certain point in his ministry but that was to identity and who he was but the point is there was nothing overtly attractive about him right no beauty that we should desire him he was despised and rejected by men a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised and we esteemed him not surely he is born our griefs and carried our sorrows yet we esteemed him stricken smitten by God and afflicted so what is this verse say what it says that when the

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Messiah comes we're going to think that he was being put to death for his own sins that he was being punished for what he had done but the text says the opposite he has carried our griefs and our sorrows and we esteemed him smitten by God right we're going to think that God was punishing him for his own sin but in reality verse 5 he was pierced for our transgressions he was crushed for our inequities upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace and with his wounds we are healed tie this in now with also the imagery of the

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Old Testament the sin bearer right the scapegoat the one who takes our sins and carries them off out of sight right out of existence that symbolism that imagery within the sacrificial system was meant to convey to us the reality that God was going to separate our sins from us as far as the east is from the west that he was going to carry them away never to be seen again ok so it wasn't just the shedding of blood that was in faith looked at as the remission of sins for the people it was the fact that the priest would then take the sins of the people and lay his hands on the goat confessing the sins of the people as their corporate representative head as the high priest right the the the atonement was made and then the sin was transferred from the people on to the scapegoat and then the scapegoat was sent out never to be seen again and then six all we like sheep have gone astray we have turned everyone to his own way and the

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Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all right these are the people of God also this is a particular love here particular redemption he was oppressed and he was afflicted yet he opened not his mouth so here's the question when

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Jesus was on trial did he do a lot of talking right he he submitted himself to this he opened out his mouth like a lamb that has led to the slaughter he willingly when he willingly when he just followed horse he wasn't stopping them from doing anything like they even say to him like what like pilot says don't you know

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I have the power to let you go and says you don't have any power except I've just given you my god this is not under your control Jesus is being led like lamb to the slaughter he's just going willingly right and so he's not defending himself not opening his mouth he's not defending himself he's not trying to get himself out of this right he knows why he came yeah like a lamb that's led to the slaughter and like a sheep that before it sure is a silence so he opened out his mouth by oppression and judgment he was taken away and as for his generation who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living stricken for the transgression of my people okay so he was cut off out of the land of the living similar terminology used in Daniel chapter 9 when we're talking about the

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Messiah who dies a violent death the prince that is coming right he's cut off right he dies a violent death talk about the timing of that passage and they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death significance here he's dead right he died although he had done no violence and there was no deceit in his mouth so is that something that could be said of the nation of Israel no that there was no deceit in their mouth and they had done no violence it couldn't even be said about Isaiah right because he of us well no because he says in the very same revelation

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Isaiah Isaiah 6 what's the first thing he does when he gets confirmed a man of unclean lips I'm a man of unclean lips he realizes his own mouth right right and so he realizes his own sinful sickness of his mouth but he says this servant who is coming yes doesn't have that problem right no deceit in his mouth yet it was the will of the

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Lord Yahweh to crush him he has put him to grief what a statement right and he's just said as I like the intimate part of this for me the older I get the more

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I cling to things like this the Lord laid on him the iniquity of us all it's Yahweh's doing

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Yahweh puts him to grief it is the father who is laying on Jesus my sin your sin that's intensely personal yeah yeah when his soul makes an offering for guilt he shall see his offspring he shall prolong his days and now what could this possibly be referring to other than a resurrection we already have death in the passage we have the atonement of the

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Messiah we have his intercessory work as the high priest the interposition by his blood but now we have his soul making a sin offering right he's dying it's it's it's death he actually physically died and that was for our guilt and then after that he shall see his offspring he shall prolong his days the will of the

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Lord shall prosper in his hand that's the Messiah by the way because the will of the

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Lord prospers in his hand out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied by his knowledge shall the righteous one my servant make many to be accounted righteous and he shall bear their iniquities and there we have the beautiful picture of the great exchange in the gospel right

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Jesus not only takes my sin but he gives me his righteousness and he does that he makes the many to be accounted righteous we're talking about justification right this is forgiveness of sins therefore

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I will divide him a portion with the many and he shall divide the spoil with the strong language surrounding our inheritance right there's there's a portion there there is an inheritance that Jesus has secured by his conquering of death and sin and the devil that's how

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Jesus interpreted his own ministry in terms of plundering Satan and dividing the spoil amongst his people the inheritance right that father

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Adam lost that he reclaimed and now Jesus owns all of this right what he was doing on the cross was not just dying for individual sinners it was he shed his blood so that the cosmos would be bought back so that everything would be redeemed

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Colossians chapter 1 not just people not just souls but all of this stuff all of creation because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors so he was counted as sinful not because he was because he's the righteous one he was treated as if he was guilty so that God could look at us and treat us as if we were righteous that's the good news of the gospel yet he bore the sin of many and he makes intercession for the transgressors sin bearer that's

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Yeshua that's that's the Mashiach there's nobody else that's right that's only Jesus and it's clear it's compelling it's powerful everything there necessary to know

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Jesus his identity what he's gonna accomplish the why is all there and let's for today end on this one we'll do another episode where we talk more about the most definitely it kind of matches perfectly with the the how we're going through this at church this

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Sunday I'll be doing the second half of the message and maybe next week we'll do the other half of this one but just I want to do this one in a timing one really we'll see if we do it there's just something we get

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Zack and I together talking about this we can go for like something like a six -hour super mega episode but well maybe have you guys hang with these texts study them this week and then join us next week for the rest so here though in Daniel chapter 9 this is powerful now there's there's something

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I need to say about this not only is this just divine and clear and compelling it is also not something

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I'm gonna be able to completely unpack in in this part of the episode I have done a message on this

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I have it somewhere it's somewhere online where I've gone through the text in terms of like what is 70 weeks mean how do we know it's weeks of years all those different things but that's not ultimately important as important as as as what we're trying to point to in terms of the cutoff here and what has to happen the substance of the prophecy so here's here's what happens the angel

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Gabriel comes to Daniel lets him know that from the moment he started praying he was already sent for this and in Daniel 924 it says 70 weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city to finish the transgression that's a pretty big deal to put an end to sin an even bigger deal and to atone for iniquity to bring in everlasting righteousness to seal both vision and profit and to anoint the most holy so there's five things there that are substantial in terms of the promises of God in the life of Israel I mean just consider it to finish the transgression to put an end to sin to atone for iniquity to bring an everlasting righteousness to seal both vision and profit that's to complete it to finish it up and to anoint the most holy know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build

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Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one a prince there shall be seven weeks now there are some dispute in terms of like what do you start it with Cyrus's decree are where when exactly do you start this

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I talk about that my message I gave in the different ways to start like where do you start the clock like here's the point ultimately with this prophecy it doesn't really matter where you land on this it gets to the time of Jesus and the guardrail is the destruction of the city and so where where yes this prophecy is complex at points in terms of 70 weeks of years the going forth at the decree to restore and rebuild

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Jerusalem it's complicated but you want to watch that it's the end times according to Daniel on our

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YouTube channel okay so thank you I'm glad I know that now I'll be able to point people to it but these are some pretty specific promises to Israel that change everything atonement for iniquity everlasting righteousness and end of sin is a big deal but there's a word to restore and build

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Jerusalem why is that interesting it's interesting because when Daniel wrote this this is during the time of the

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Babylonian captivity and so Babylon has just taken Israel under its boot

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I mean you've got all of the problems that you see in Jeremiah and like lamentations and like the like the condition of Israel that led to the

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Babylonian captivity and now Daniel is in it and he's obviously grieved over this so he's pleading with God and begging and the angel

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Gabriel comes to him and tells him here's what's gonna take place atonement for iniquity everlasting righteousness end of sin all of that but it's key there's a key point here that I think gets missed on how powerful this prophecy is is when

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Daniel wrote this there is no temple there's no city in sanctuary it's destroyed and so there's a prophecy here of a rebuilt second temple that's what

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Daniel is getting at there's all the stuff that's gonna happen and then there's going to be a decree and you've got a restoration of Jerusalem so they're foreseeing now a second temple being built that's what's happening here which was and it was then there for 62 weeks it shall be a built again with squares and moat but in troubled times and after the 62 weeks an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing the word there is a pretty powerful word describes violent death so the

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Messiah has to come and he's gonna be cut off and have nothing all right so the city's gonna come be rebuilt then we've got a

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Messiah who comes and he's cut off and has nothing and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary so we've got a rebuilt temple the

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Messiah comes to be cut off has nothing and then the temples destroyed now there's more that can be said

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I'm gonna resist very strongly resist going into that last week there and how powerful it is a ministry of Jesus I'll do it this

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Sunday at church that's when you're gonna hear it but here's what's key about this prophecy there are these five things that need to take place and they're very specific and have to do with sin and everlasting righteousness the

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Messiah comes and he comes when there's a rebuilt second temple then he's cut off and then it says the people of the prince who is to come who is that Messiah shall destroy the city in the sanctuary you're like oh how are the

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Romans how are the Romans the people of the prince who is to come and the answer to that should be as obvious to all of us as the nose on our faces if you've read the gospel according to Matthew you've read as you get close to the promises the destruction of Jerusalem it's gonna happen in their generation

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Jesus predicted the fall of the temple it's gonna be destroyed desolation all of that these are the days of vengeance in order that all that is written may be fulfilled your house is left to you desolate

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Jesus came preaching that but before he came and gave that all of a discourse and said that he gives this story about a king who goes to it call everyone out to invite him to this wedding feast and then they they won't come so it then it says that the armies of the king came and destroyed the city well that's a prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem but it calls the armies the armies of God the king and so when

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God sends a pagan army or for judgment upon a nation he calls them the rod in his own hand

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Isaiah chapter 10 right they are what God is using to judge his people so get this judgment exactly five things have to happen very specific everlasting righteousness end of sin atonement for iniquity

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Messiah comes he is cut off but he's cut off in the midst of a rebuilt second temple and then that second temple is gonna be destroyed so the point is the timing the timing the timing is so key because if that temple is destroyed and gone and it is 70

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AD thoroughly expunged it was if Jesus isn't the

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Messiah this whole thing is nonsense because that's a specific prophecy that the

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Messiah has to come and be cut off before that second temples destroyed that second temple second temple was destroyed in 70

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AD and as I've often said I challenged a rabbi to this once who is giving a public talk against Jesus I said if Jesus isn't the

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Messiah then who is because the temple is destroyed Daniel 9 says it had to happen at a certain time and the

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Messiah had to come to be cut off before the temple was destroyed and I've told the story a thousand times the rabbi's response was to stare at the page and then look up at me and say give me your email address

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I'll get back to you he never did by the way because there is no answer Jesus is the

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Messiah he came on time as planned he did what was supposed to be accomplished but I also think that there's hints here in the narrative of the

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New Testament when it tells the story why is there this messianic fervor happening then right this intensity of like who's the

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Messiah where's the Messiah you the Messiah why are all these like fake messianic movements popping up in the first century and I I'm of the opinion that it's because they knew the clock that Daniel had never counting and they count down the days and they knew this is the time of the

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Messiah he has to be appearing now and that's why there's this messianic fervor but the point is as Jesus was cut off it was during the time of the second temple and then the second temple was destroyed exactly as was promised so much to say about that given the significance of the temple right

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God dwelling with his people yeah God and his people being one Jesus saying destroy this temple I will raise it up in three days the book of Hebrews you know listing all of the old

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Old Testament the the old covenant system right that the sacrifice the priest the temple how

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Jesus in his sacrifice has now transposed all of those things and how he perfectly embodies what the temple was to begin with and how he's building a house with him at the center to fill the entire earth we talked about symbolism right that's how we started this episode was symbols fulfilled yeah the temple was a pre -eminent symbol because Jesus came to tabernacle among us and we are his body right we are his building that he fills by the glory of his

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Shekinah with his spirit we can go teaser for next week temptation to keep going but we've had a longer show a long enough show for today guys thank you for joining us we love you all please pray for the ministry if you would go to apologia studios .com

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