How Do I Identify Emotional Crybabies?

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Harrison Kerrigan pastor Tim Mullett and today. We'll answer the age -old question How do I identify emotional crybabies now

Tim what verse do you have to kick us off with today? 2nd Corinthians 4 2 says but we have renounced disgraceful underhanded ways

We refuse to practice cunning or tamper with God's Word, but by the open statement of truth We would commend ourself to everyone's conscience in the sight of God You know, that's one of those verses that I think people read and they just kind of automatically assume.

Well, that's not talking about me, right? I mean, I guess I guess we're kind of you know, if you think about it

Probably the people we think of most when we read verses like this, you know We've renounced the things hidden because of because of shame not walking in trickery nor distorting the

Word of God But by the open proclamation of the truth a lot of the people that come to mind You know when

I'm reading a verse like that They're the kind of people who have who would claim like hey, we need to unhitch ourselves from the

Old Testament That stuff's not important. You know, hey Paul, he you know, he's not Jesus We only need to follow the teachings of Jesus.

We don't need to worry about anyone else So they're probably not even reading these verses to begin with but you know

If you were to share these verses with with someone They're probably reading that kind of thing and immediately assuming this this is obviously talking about someone else

This is not talking about me, right? Is that is that a fair assumption to make? Yeah, I mean it was characteristic of people in general is that we're blind

To the areas that we need to grow and change. And so I mean particularly unbelievers are

Sentenced by God with a judicial kind of blindness where they really can't apply the

Bible appropriately like they should Particularly as it relates to them But then this is I mean it's obviously something that all

Christians struggle with to some degree Right because of our pride in that we read verses that are directly contradicting certain things that we do attitudes that we have and you know, we don't see it and you know part of that's just Due to the placement of our eyes meaning that you know

Our eyes are placed in such a way that you can't really see yourself You see it you see it the world around you but not yourself and that's you know

Why we need other people in our life to be able to point out things in general But then when you talk about a verse like this, yeah,

I mean there's there are definitely people who in the extreme are certainly tampering with God's Word and there you know the people that come to mind most readily and quickly as individuals who were

Practicing these disgraceful underhanded ways and the cunning and the you know tampering with God's Word I certainly that's the

Andy Stanley type. Certainly. That's the liberal progressive Christian Christian types who are With their very words calling into question the authority the clarity the sufficiency of Scripture in those ways for sure

Right. Yeah, and you know part of why we wanted to do this episode was I had actually watched a video a really helpful video actually from James White on What does he call his show is it the dividing line?

Yeah, that's right calls it the dividing line Where he he essentially this is what

I appreciate about James White a lot is He will he will take the time if he thinks something is worth worth covering

He will take the time to cover the entire You know sermon or article or you know, whatever it whatever it is.

He's interacting with and so I watched this video where he He I guess found a sermon from a guy out in,

Texas named Zach Lambert who he's a he's a progressive, you know pastor out in quote -unquote pastor

Yeah, quote -unquote pastor. I think out in in Dallas. Maybe he's in tech he's in one of those bigger cities

Houston or Dallas something like that and You know, he does he's doing this whole series on like the inclusivity of God I think took him two months to prepare for it, man.

Yeah. Yeah, so he's doing this series and you know I guess it's all led up to this sermon that he's delivering that took him two months to prepare for Where you know, he gives the strongest argument.

He knows how The the strongest argument he knows how to explain to everyone why

You know why God is all for you know gay relationships all for male -male relationships female -female relationships

Transgenderism Intersex all of that stuff. He God is for all of it and and Zach Lambert He you know, he lays down the best argument he can muster to explain why that is and so James White he sees this and he starts covering it and I mean he literally

I've listened to you know for it It's two episodes that James White does and it take it spans four hours

Where he covers every single word the Lambert says and and I mean frankly it's embarrassing the the the sermon if you can even call it a sermon is embarrassing and maybe it maybe

I'll Leave a link down to James White's stuff in the description just so you can go and watch some of it because it really is

James White does a very good job of Explaining why these things why the the arguments from Zach Lambert are so bad

I mean and they are they're terrible. They're they're embarrassingly bad, honestly, and I Think probably an insultingly that like I mean, he's just expecting you to be a stupid person

You know if he expects you to believe his arguments and So James White does this thing and as I'm listening to the episode one of the things that I'm here

You know, I'm hearing over and over again is and I'm I'm recognizing too and I'm rolling my eyes at is you you kind of you kind of get this as you're as you're listening to Lambert give his sermon you kind of recognize this the cadence that he is he's using as he's as he's speaking and and you

James White points it out. So even if you even if it's like in the back of your head, but you're not necessarily

Maybe Realizing exactly what's going on? essentially Zack is is using this very emotionally manipulative way of speaking the entire time where you know, he he is

He's crying at certain points, you know, he's giving these dramatic pauses

He's he's presenting you with information. That is is not meant to you know to You're not meant to Interact with it

Logically with your brain you're meant to Interact with it with your emotions primarily and he's trying to manipulate your emotions now

That's not that's not to say that, you know, he's faking all of his emotions in the sermon That's just to say he is he is primarily relying on emotional arguments to convince his audience and so James White is calling that out over and over again and so You know

Tim and you know as I was hearing James White Point that out.

I began thinking, you know, this is really the only thing That I've ever seen anyone

The only tactic I've ever seen anyone use if they're trying to defend like homosexuality the transgender stuff

You know abortion is another one that I think people just try they just try and pull at your heartstrings over and over again instead of just giving you actual you know facts and logical arguments to follow

And James White even mentioned like hey, I've offered to you know I've offered to debate

Zach Lambert on this topic pro bono, you know, like it will cost you nothing

I will pay for all of my expenses no honorarium nothing I will come to your church and we will we will debate this in front of you know in front of your congregation and we can talk about it and Apparently, you know that's been shot down by I assume by Zach Lambert Or something, you know someone at his church is shooting that down because at the end of the day

It seems like they probably know hey, we've just got emotional arguments. We can't fight with James White on this logically

So so all of that to say Tim in your experience when it comes to these kinds of especially these kinds of topics do you

Feel like you've seen more people rely on these emotional type of arguments or you know is or is it like hey

Zach Lambert's the Exception and there are people there are a lot of people out there who have these differing views from us who have these views

That we would call You know anti -biblical, but they are at least using some form of logic primarily for all of their arguments

Yeah, I mean logic right now. Is that at all time? In our culture and society,

I mean just imagine just you know, it's presidential Election season coming up and all that and there will be debates and you can just think about the kinds of debates that actually

Happen at this point in history and the kind of debates that actually happen are where you have these individuals who are asked to give

Complicated answers to policy questions and they're given like 30 seconds in order to get it all out

Yeah before everyone's attention span goes and you know their eyes start to bleed and their ears, you know, basically start to Explode or something because they can't handle information anymore.

But yeah, I mean certainly critical Thinking skills are at a probably an all -time low for us a lot of that has to do with just the influence of technology in general to where We're just trained to have the attention span of a goldfish basically.

Yeah, so at this point in history, I mean we're most people aren't able to sit down for extended periods of time and Process information like they used to be.

Yeah, I think it's like eight second, you know, if you're If you're a music person, like if you're creating music you have eight seconds to hook someone with your song

That's all you get is eight seconds So songs are only two to three minutes long nowadays and people can't you know, they can't sit through that They've decided in eight seconds if they're ever gonna listen to that song ever again already and so that's just an obviously like tick -tock and you know,

YouTube is is Pushing out their shorts because they realize that now that's where that's where the money is that's where all the viewership is and and those are you know, like I think on YouTube maybe the max is 60 seconds or 59 seconds is the longest you can make one of those videos

So that's just a just to tell you a little bit about the attention span of our current society, yeah, it's pretty bad

I mean, I mean, I think there's a lot of things like that that are conspiring to create the kind of situation where people They're just bone ignorant and almost every way imaginable and you know ignorance about the scripture is at an all -time high

I mean most people they don't know the basic verses anymore You know, we're living in a Christian culture where they don't even know what

John 3 16 is We're living in a nominal kind of Christian culture post -christian culture

We're transitioning slowly into that where they don't even know we're know what them The the main verses that most people used to know right at this point

So I mean basically biblical literacy is an all -time high or critical thinking skills are at an all -time low You know in general, we're we're the kind of people who think

I saw a picture of I saw a picture of Mel Gibson with the 80s hair or whatever and the cigarette in his hand and it was um, it was a meme or whatever, but then

I Thought to myself like he looks so stupid and ridiculous with this 80s

Poofy 80s hair and his cigarette in his hand and all that but we're the kind of people who have been looking to celebrities for Advice on politics and our worldview for years and years and years and Then if you look at pictures of them back in the 80s or something like that You see how stupid they look and you know, how dumb it is like You know, you must celebrities aren't

You know behold the cigarette anymore because they eat cancer risk and everything else But I mean, we're we're the kind of people who have just you know, we've eaten it up at that point

And so we've turned off our brains a long time ago. We don't even have the capacity to use them We haven't put anything useful in them at all then so all that it's left really in that kind of framework is the emotional appeals and Certainly, I mean the progressives like guys like Zack Lambert.

I mean, he's a moron, you know, he he's he's just He's a total fool. Yeah, and a wolf at that.

Yeah. I mean you there's nothing helpful that he has to say about anything and You know, he's just he's a he's a guy out there, you know doing his progressive, you know he's deconstructing kind of stick and you know, the truth

Bible like all he has is these underhanded disgraceful Ways, you know the practicing cunning tampering with God's Word.

I mean his whole thing is just try to tell you you know what you should do apart from appealing description at all because You know is what it is.

And so the guys like him guys like Andy Stanley I mean, they're they're the extremes where they're making these kind of appeals in these kind of way but I mean this is just it's just the state of a current current

American Christianity even with people who should know better and People who you know go to conservative churches

There's they still like they eat this stuff up in and they'll use these emotional kind of arguments

And so these things come in many different forms So, I mean you can have them coming in the like in a very direct kind of attack on the you know

Priority Authority sufficiency clarity of scripture kind of thing that you would see with guys like Lambert and you know

Andy Stanley and all that so that can happen at that level But what I'm trying to say is that this is just your standard, you know

Nominal Christian kind of response to the Bible in general is that it functionally is like Plato in their hands when they encounter a verse they don't like all they're going to do is make emotional arguments and They're not gonna have any interest whatsoever in understanding what's actually happening there to the extent to which like in the verse that they're appealing like someone else might be appealing to and So, I mean this you can just see this happening in Twitter or social media all the time

I mean you ask about an interpretation of a particular Bible verse, you know, you make a claim from the

Bible You ask a moral question related to the Bible and all you're gonna get it's just a bunch of people who are obfuscating

The verse essentially trying to make it unclear and you know, they'll

Their standard go -to move is just to say hey, you're a Pharisee or something like that. You're a legalist all those are they're just emotional appeals that appeals that are being made that have nothing to do with like the content of the

Discussion and for many people that's sufficient like just to throw out a pejorative like we're doing nothing different than the left

That's been doing for years to where you ask like a basic question, you know about crime statistics or something along those lines

And then you're gonna get called a racist, you know, that's the way it works so you're gonna and all that is is that's a emotional argument that's designed to manipulate you and trying to Cloud the issue and not deal with the question that's actually being asked at that point

So, you know, we've had these words that we use like racist sexist homophobe bigot, you know Those are just that's the currency that we deal in right now and these are ways that keep us from engaging actual real -world questions that we should be able to provide answers to And so we're living in a society right now that has lost the ability to reason and all we have left is just a bunch

Of you know, silly name -calling and that kind of stuff So what what is the difference then between an emotional argument and a logical argument?

Well, I mean 1st Corinthians or 2nd Corinthians 4 2 is a good passage which Deals with that.

So, you know, we've announced disgraceful underhanded ways We refuse to practice cunning or tamper with God's Word, but by the open statement of truth

We would commend ourselves to everyone's conscious in the sight of God So you should be learning to identify and listen to the kind of person who's going to Take the

Bible and try to explain what it means Give you a positive interpretation like this says the

Lord. Here's what God has to say, right? So in the issue there is like, you know, Paul is advocating this open statement of truth

We're not trying to manipulate you. We're not trying to you know, make you're not trying to tug at your emotions We're trying to plainly give you what you need, you know

And so I should I mean when you think about this I mean like the Holy Spirit God has sent the Holy Spirit in the world you convict the world of sin righteousness and judgment and he convicts people according to God's Word and you don't really have to You know package it up into a neat bow or something that it it's a lion man.

Just unleash it It'll do its work. I mean so like the issue is like there's any number of ways in which people can manipulate with the truth

But what we're called to do is just give it to people like just say what it says That not water down.

Don't water down it. Don't apologize for it Just give an open statement of truth meaning like the issue is you're trying to Give people the

Word of God in a clear way like your goal is to make it clear your goal is not to Make it persuasive. You're not goal is not to manipulate them

Your goal is not to strategize how you can get them to agree with you It's just give them the truth right and certainly

I mean you can do so in a Grace graceless way in an unloving way

But then I the the issue is giving them this content that they need so, you know James White's thing with Lambert or whatever.

We're gonna find is there's no Bible anywhere in there The only time the Bible is made appeal to it all is just Zach Lambert.

You mean? Yeah Yeah, there's no Bible at all And the only time it's gonna be like there's gonna be any kind of appeal to it whatsoever It's just to say it doesn't mean what it obviously seems to mean without giving even

Remotely compelling reasons why like what it does mean then right? And so, you know, that's that's just typical of that kind of move it

I mean I we But but I mean obviously like, you know, it's easy to pick on the progressives and stuff like that But I mean

I this just happens in every single area imaginable. I mean we were We're at the SPC Pastors conference or whatever.

I don't know if you were there with me on this one or not, but I Was there and you know, it's funny.

It was one of those things where He the the Athenianites and the Southern Baptists have been playing this game in different ways for years to where you know

They're scream and holler and yell and their sermons at the right time with the right You know

Intensity of their voice in order to try to persuade people because I think it's like all up to them to persuade people so they

Have to get people worked up into an emotional frenzy so that they turn their emotions off And I mean there's a whole generation of Your preachers who did this in in the revival meetings where you play the same music over and over and over again

And you know you play the just as I am chorus, you know in a forward generation You know 50 times until you get someone to finally raise their hand, you know

And then you you know, you all the tricks that people practice where you know Close your eyes and if you if you feel convicted right now raise, you know, open one of your eyes, you know kind of thing

Wiggle your left toe, you know, I Saw that toe, you know that kind of thing and then and then okay, you know

And then maybe get a little more courage this time and if you wiggled your left toe raise your hand, you know I see that hand, you know, yes.

Yes hand, you know, and then half the time you look around and there's no So, I mean there's that kind of thing happen we were at the pastors come so what before I got sidetracked

We're at the pastors conference And I mean you had the the you know the old Southern Baptist preacher guys who they would just get worked up at the right time, but it was all performance and you knew is all of performance because What they were saying was nonsense

You get what I'm saying? Like it wasn't the get worked up moment naturally in terms of like it wasn't authentic It was just it was the same kind of cadence

That you can notice that all of a sudden this is the time they get worked up You know and one of the guys at that point he was like, you know, he's like I was five years old, you know

Couldn't tie my shoes anymore That kind of thing to where he is yelling and screaming about like something stupid like he couldn't tie his shoes yet You know,

I'm like this wasn't the time for the emotion but this is just where you're putting it in the script because this is where you get worked up and this is where you start

Yelling or whatever and I mean, it's all These are just you know Disgraceful underhanded ways where you're trying to manipulate people with emotions for sure so so you gave a few examples of you know, like trying to be

Emotionally manipulative, but then how in general do we identify someone like a

Zack Lambert? Who you know like it? How do we identify someone who is being emotionally manipulative making emotional arguments because my suspicion is that?

You know, there are going to be a lot of people out there who? Who already believe the same as we you know

We would believe on these on these same issues and they're hearing someone like Zack Lambert and they're saying yeah, that's really dumb

I don't know why anyone even believes anything he's saying but then there might be other I think there are probably a lot of other

Christians who who are You know probably

Maybe don't think about these things as much as maybe they should or Aren't as aware as they should be that there are there are actually false teachers out there who are trying to deceive them and they they might not always recognize that these sorts of Arguments are being made so I can't because I can see a kind of person coming along Who believes the same thing we believe but maybe isn't quite as mature in their faith yet Or as mature as they probably should be up to this point and they hear they hear something like what

Zack Lambert's Saying and thinking huh? Huh? I don't know what to say in response to this

You know like like hey, I thought I thought those verses just meant what you know what

I thought they meant But now you're saying they mean something else, you know, what am I supposed to think about all this?

So, how does how does someone like that? Identify, you know train themselves to be able to identify these kinds of arguments

Yeah, I think a lot of people are approaching this kind of topic Particularly the kind of people that you have in mind

They're they're approaching this kind of topic based on the conclusions that are being drawn in the first instance like meaning like Okay, you know if this is a pro -lgbtq thing.

Well, I don't believe in that. So then this guy's a wolf, right? It's like well, that's true like and you know that that's a helpful thing to realize but then like The way to I like the way to identify whether or not you're being emotionally manipulated

Isn't necessarily related to the conclusions that are being drawn. Okay, right

It's like so like the issue is just to say that there's more to Trying to learn to identify what's actually happening

So I mean you listen to someone like Lambert you realize that there's no Bible in that whatsoever Hey, and that's not an exaggerate.

I mean, I don't I think it's like up I think he goes up until like the 35 minute mark before actually out of a 50

I think 50 minute sermon maybe 60 minute, but I'm pretty sure it's 50 You know, so halfway through the thing and I think maybe he referenced one

Bible verse up to that point So it's like you're not exaggerating.

Oh, no, I'm not No, but the thing is it's like it's not just it What you need to learn to identify when you're arguing when you're discussing things online

You need or you're talking to people in person or whatever else like what you need to learn to identify is like the the

Posture of the person like what are they trying to do? So you have to think about what they're trying like what their goal is okay, so we asked a lot of controversial polls online and You know

I'll ask them and I'll even Like link to a verse or something like that and what you'll get is person after person after person who is emoting in response to this verse and So they'll emote they'll get mad.

They'll they'll say oh, yeah Well, you know if it's like you're talking about mental illness or something like that They'll say oh my kids have that or my wife has that or you know

My neighbor has that and you're kind of a jerk, you know You're a Pharisee for saying that there's something wrong with them.

And so what you'll notice there is There was a biblical claim that was made and the dismissal is just a point to people to try to Manipulate you by saying hey.

Yeah. Well, you know, certainly you're not gonna call me a bad parent Are you because I disagree with you and this is how

I'm parenting my kid But then what what's happening is they like this these individuals they have no interest whatsoever in The truth claim that was just made

Okay, like there's no interest whatsoever in trying to Argue their case from the

Bible To give you biblical reasons for why they're saying what they're saying, you know, it just it just kind of reduces to hey

You're a Pharisee. You're a hypocrite. You're really mean right? That's not loving and you know, we need to love the

LGBTQ community, you know, quote -unquote, whatever So the issue is there's no engage.

There's no substantial engagement There's no responsibility this person feels to actually explain what this verse means and how it applies and how it's relevant

So when you see that that should be a cue to say I don't want to listen to the kind of person who is going

To pull a Satan on me. Okay, so I mean like Satan's whole strategy is has God said and When you're talking about issues like that, like, you know, like there's there's people who say hey, here's what the

Bible says I'm gonna give you biblical reason and I would say that I come the vast majority of the polls that we do

I'm asking biblical questions about like the polls we're doing and that kind of stuff and there's very few people

With any topic that is brought up who will actually make a biblical case about it at all

Yeah, like either either way regardless of you know, whether they're answering rightly or wrongly, right?

I mean so what ends up what typically happens is they get triggered because they don't like the you know

Implications of the way the thing is phrased or whatever and they're not making any biblical case whatsoever

And so like the issue is yeah, I think it's important to identify when guys like Lambert are doing it, but you know

Professing Christians that we do the same thing. It's not just the extreme liberals who are doing this This is pretty much the vast majority of people

When you're when you ask them a question about biblical application on a topic they haven't thought about yet They default to emotional arguments

They default to manipulative arguments and instead of just saying hey, I need to think about that. I don't know you know what typically happens is

You know, and this is why people respond the way they respond on such a regular basis is hey, you're you're a Pharisee You're a legalist.

You're a hypocrite. That was an emotional case to their major, right? They're just saying hey, you're racist You're a bad person because you just said something that I don't like it's like but you didn't actually engage with it with your brain

You didn't actually give me any reason why I should believe you you basically just emoted, right?

You just emoted you had a fit and then you know, you you're you know brought in Your emotional appeals and then we're all supposed to pretend like something significant happened and nothing significant happened at that point

Yeah, and you know, I feel like you see this a lot You definitely see this in the Zack the

Zack Lambert case where he he mentions almost no scripture whatsoever

You know and all of the argument I thought this was a helpful point that the James White pointed

You know made during his videos but it's essentially like you hear these things that these things that Zack Lambert's saying and and when he talks about He used to be a person who who believed the

Bible You clearly taught that God was against any sort of same -sex relationship

Because if you just Right, right so he did believe those things and then that belief changed over time and What's really interesting is whenever he talked about that during his sermon every single time.

He mentioned what? Changed his mind about those things and it wasn't reading the Bible, you know

He never said in his sermon the reason I changed my mind is because the

Bible says That God is okay with this he never says that instead what he brings up is hey

What changed my mind is I began to get to know? You know these people and in their same -sex relationships and I could see

Christ in them, you know And and this is where he start, you know, he'd start to do his little pausing, you know

I just got to know these people and I could just see

Christ in them and after all these times that everyone would turn them away and tell them they're in sin

And you're not a Christian and God hates you and they were still coming after Christ You know, it's like he's you know,

I probably don't do it as well as he does. He's had a lot more time to practice it but I'm not typically trying to emotionally manipulate people like him.

So I'd expect him to be better at it You know that that's what he's doing the whole time and he's telling you plainly this and this is the point

James White makes us Hey, he's telling you plainly What convinced him was the anecdotal experience that he was having, you know?

And then and then he was by the time he is going to the Bible to try and figure this out

He's already been convinced of something and he's just trying to figure out. How do I make that fit?

Or how do I you know, how do I make Scripture fit when they don't even have that goal with my experience

Yeah, I mean, they don't even have that goal of trying to make Scripture fit with their experience say, you know, I mean you would almost wish they did in a meaning like Their goal is just just tell their experience

Yeah, you know it's all about the Anna. It's all about the anecdotal experience and you know, it's that way with everything

What I mean is like if you were to try like if he were actually trying to Make Scripture fit with his experience.

He would spend more time explaining how like what it means, you know Right, then when you think about what's actually happening, it's it's like a very shallow

Oh, yeah, it can't possibly mean that because these people are nice and all that, you know And so, you know, here's maybe a few things that could possibly mean but whatever else

I don't know, you know But it you know, it's just Paul whatever and it's and what what ends up happening is it's all just these dismissals these psych superficial kind of Dismissals that are designed to make it unclear

Yeah, basically we because they don't care. I mean at the end of the day Yeah, they want to show some sort of engagement with the verse

But then they have to because they have to but then it's just you know, I often in our interactions with people there's a

Thing I think I've like a it's a it's a little meme I made about the context dodge or whatever but Like this is just an example of the kind of things that people will do

To where if you were to make a biblical claim, they'll look at you and they'll say hey, you're taking that out of context, right?

They'll say something like that But then one of the things you'll notice if your brain is actually working in those moments when they say that They didn't actually explain anything

When they say that they're just saying hey you're taking that out of context, they're just making a claim they're making yeah

They're just it's a dismissal it so it's like hey, I don't permit a woman to teach her I have authority over men. You take that out of context.

So what they think they've done is they think that they've done the work of Successfully defending their view at that point, but all they did was they just threw out like a little

Distraction, right? So it's like throwing a smoke bomb out or something like that and then running away In order before people know like notice that hey, you didn't actually tell me but you didn't say anything substantive at that point

All you said was just this magic little phrase that you think gets you out of having to have a responsibility

To explain what this first means so for that to actually make sense. You have to show why the context

Why the context? Informs that particular reading right? So if I were to say, you know, the

Bible says that We we shouldn't let women teacher have authority over men you can't just say hey you're taking that out of context you have to explain why this like from the from the passage why the context itself is

Using those words in a way that is different from what I'm saying They mean and what they actually mean in that kind of context

So you have to do a little more work than just that that you didn't do anything with that And so what's happening actually happening with these progressive guys in general and Christians in general is that they encounter a verse?

They don't like and All they're gonna do is they're gonna throw out some kind of platitude or some kind of insult, you know

You're a legalist. You're a hypocrite. You're a Pharisee You're taking that out of context and then if you if your brains on the whole time

What you'll notice is they didn't actually tell me what it meant, right? Right? Yeah, they didn't tell me what it meant

They didn't give me a better explanation for why it's there They didn't do anything like that because they have actually no respect for this book whatsoever

Their God is their feelings at that point and they want to do what they want to do and they don't really care Like the issue is it's not about like we're just we're two different types of people

I'm the kind of person who wants to say hey, what does the Bible say? Let's do it. Whatever that means like let's obey what

God says no matter what and they're the kind of person who they're operating on a different set of rules and the

Bible is just There to either validate what they already think right or just be this thing that they're gonna dismiss whenever it's inconvenient

And so we're just two different kind of people at that point And you can see that kind of person happen over and over again But the way you test it say did they actually explain what this means or did they just write?

You know throw the little smoke bomb out there and run, you know Just in order to make it unclear and Satan obviously

I mean he has a vested interest in making the Bible to try to make the Bible unclear and that's essentially

I mean That's what Satan did in the garden, you know had has God said right? Oh, yeah, just be confused basically

So essentially like the emotional arguments are gonna be things like hey claims with with These generic claims like hey, you're a

Pharisee. You're a legalist. This is out of context those kinds of things with no explanation whatsoever

You just using the magic get out of jail free card get out of hell free card and or it's gonna be some kind of like You completely ignore what the

Bible is Appeal to like anecdotal experiences that you've had that you are now forcing the

Bible You don't want to be mean do you right? Yeah, so you're saying that about mental disorders. I know people with mental disorders, right?

Yeah, like I and I see Christ in them and they're made in the image of God. It's like, okay. Well, I didn't say They weren't made in the you know, like you're just saying random things like okay interact

You're a mental disorder phobe, you know, you're a you're a homophobe you're a racist you're so I mean typically

They're gonna throw out words that are designed to elicit emotional responses particularly like fearful remorse emotional responses

Yeah, so I mean they just have their vocabulary racist sexist homophobe bigot, you know all that like so they'll throw these words out

They'll use anecdotal stories but what they're not doing like they're not giving you the Bible and trying to explain what it means as if it's an authority over Your life as if we should actually do what it says

And so what you'll realize is like the goal of these conversations for them is not let's do whatever the

Bible says The goal of this conversation is for them is let's do what

I want to do You tell me that what I think is right what I want to do is right and what I believe is right and anytime

The Bible is used to contradict that then I'm just gonna I'm gonna try to find a way to ignore what it says

You know, so you just have totally different objectives at that point for sure Okay, well,

I think that's a good place for us to wrap up the conversation on so hopefully this has been helpful for you And if I can remember

I'll probably leave a link to James why I would really encourage all of you who are listening to this to go listen to that and listen to it in its

Entirety because it is really helpful just to see even if you know this stuff already It is helpful just to be reminded of it and and see someone break it down You know sentence by sentence paragraph by paragraph

And you know, honestly it is At least for me personally. It is kind of entertaining too just to see like hey

I mean see someone be so wrong and so confident in it and you know It would be funny if it weren't so sad the eternal implications of what you know

Evil foolish men like zach lambert are trying to do right now. They think they're loving but they are doing the most unloving thing

Humanly possible by encouraging people to Pursue their sins as if it wasn't sin uh, and you know and twisting the bible and Making making a mess of it all along the way just to accomplish that goal so the hope the goal with conversations like this is to be able to equip people to Recognize those things and call it out so that we know not to take those people seriously because they don't need to be taken seriously um

They don't need to be given platforms because they are actively leading people to hell. Um, uh, so with all that being said

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