Laughter in Medina: the Ongoing Saga of the Caner Scandal

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I think we have to refresh the page and start all over again and put up stuff. And I don't know how it works, but it's complicated and beyond my area of expertise. So I'm not even sure if we're gonna be able to post this, we certainly need to be able to post this.

So I'm not really sure what to do here, to be perfectly honest with you, because the whole idea was to make this stuff available. In a form that people can listen to. And a lot of folks have already been switching over to the YouTube version, but if we can only do the audio, then we can only do the audio.

A article was just posted and we were made aware of it. Just, let's see here, where did it go? That's not it. And that is, a article was just posted today on Right Wing Watch by Peter Montgomery. And it is rather interesting.

The Bruton Parker Controversy and Ergun Caner’s False Testimony

It says, if you were the trustee of a troubled college fighting to keep its accreditation, would you hire as your new president someone who was forced out of a previous academic post for lying about his past?

That's what the trustees of Bruton Parker College in Georgia have just done. The college announced this week that it has hired Ergin Kanner to be its new president. I saw in another article, by the way, yeah, this is abpnews .com.

This is very, very interesting. Where did the names go? Yeah, Bruton Parker president Mike Simonow elected in 2011 after serving as interim president, catch this, on loan from Truett McConnell College in Cleveland, Georgia.

There's the connection, folks. I wonder what the connection was. There had to be a connection. It had to be the good old boys network thing. Truett McConnell College, sound familiar? Truett McConnell College, you know, the Word document from which the laughable excuse sheet published on Norman Geis' website, that's where it was written, according to the properties, Truett McConnell College, where Emir Kanner is the president.

There is your connection. And that article was about the accreditation issue there at the school, but that was interesting to find out what the connection really was. Anyways, Kanner is the former dean of the seminary at Liberty University who was removed from that job in 2010 when the school could no longer ignore the evidence that the Jihad to Jesus life story Kanner had been peddling since the 9 -11 attacks turned out to be a pack of lies.

Kanner said, for example, he was raised in Turkey and trained as an American-hating Jihadist. In reality, he was born in Sweden and moved to the US as a very young child. And by the way, if you just, if you want evidence of that, I'm putting together a single clip file with Ergin Kanner's own words, because Peter Lumpkins and Mr. Rogers and people like that are starting to create this mythology that, you know, Ergin Kanner has, well, he apologized, but no, he didn't.

And he's been vindicated, but no, he hasn't. And there's independent investigators. No, there aren't. Facts are facts, and the best way to respond to the twisting of truth and the rewriting of history is to let Ergin Kanner speak for Ergin Kanner.

And so in support of what was just said here, trained as an American-hating Jihadist. Well, did Ergin Kanner ever say that? Well, it would help if the volume was up on my computer so that people could hear that.

I hated you.

I'm trying it again so you can hear it. It's very clear.

I hated you.

I hated you.

That's Ergin Kanner in 2006 talking about him being trained in Beirut and stuff like that. Anyway, it's not as if Bruton Parker trustees were unaware of Kanner's controversial past. A press release in the college quoted an unnamed trustee saying, we didn't consider Dr. Kanner in spite of the attacks.

We elected him because of them. He has endured relentless and pagan attacks like a warrior. We need a warrior as our next president, a quotation that I read to you. Oh, just yesterday, in fact, as one of the most amazingly deceptive, deceived statements I think I've ever seen someone say.

The mind reels. Kanner's most relentless critics are not pagan, but born-again evangelicals who take great offense at Kanner's lying to fellow Christians from church pulpits. It's hard to see how Kanner is hiring his evidence as outgoing president Mike Simonow claims of the school's decision to honor Jesus Christ in every area.

Yeah, it really is hard to see that. In fact, the timing of the announcement is a bit awkward for Kanner and the college because it comes just days after filing of a detailed motion in a legal suit being brought by Kanner against some of his critics.

The Marine Videos, FOIA, and the Copyright Lawsuit

Let's backtrack just a bit. The most devastating weapon in the arsenal of Kanner's critics has been Kanner's own demonstrably dishonest words, captured in this digital age for everyone to see. Kanner, who has taken a bullying, blustering approach to his critics, set out this summer to purge the online evidence of his lying.

In May this year, he had 34 videos that critics had posted online, taken down from YouTube by filing copyright claims under the Digital Millennial Copyright Act. Sound familiar? In June, he filed a lawsuit against Jonathan Autry and Jason Smathers, claiming they had willfully and purposely infringed on his copyright.

By the way, that is in regards to, for Jason Smathers anyways, in regards to the Marine videos, which were attained through FOIA. Among Kanner's claims that Smathers and Autry, operating separately, violated his copyright by posting videos of speeches Kanner gave to U .S. Marines in 2005 training sessions.

They had obtained videos of the speeches by filing Freedom of Information Act requests with the Marine Corps. Then they posted the videos online so that others could see and hear Kanner's claims firsthand and judge whether they were taking his remarks out of context.

The videos show Kanner's misrepresenting his past in order to bolster his credentials as an expert on Islamic terrorism, which is absolutely an undisputable fact. Undisputable. I mean, as we'll see. I'll play some of the sections for you because it's really, really, really clear.

For example.

I knew nothing about America.

Until I came here when I was 14 years old.

Yeah, I knew nothing about America until I came here when I was 14 years old. The press release from Bruton Parker, whatever it is, says that he was here when he was two years old. So, hey, let's, you know, lie upon lie upon lie.

They all get caught eventually. And everyone is, is anybody with a slightest desire, to be honest, knows what's going on here. But unfortunately, there are a lot of people that didn't know, don't know anything about that thing there.

Everything I knew about American culture, I learned through American television. Whatever they allowed into the Turkish region.

Yeah, so there you are growing up in Ohio watching Turkish TV in the 1970s. It's just, that's Ergin Kanter, you know? He's the one that, that's why he'll never debate me, obviously, because all I have to do is just play him.

I wouldn't hardly even have to speak.

You know, I might do some introductions, but I could just sit there and click, click, click,.

Let him speak for himself.

You know, just straightforward, very, very easy. Anyways, I'm reading the article. The video show, Kanter misrepresenting his past in order to bolster his credentials as an expert on Islamic terrorism.

It's easy to understand why Kanter would like to cleanse the public record of his lying to Marines. But a description of the case on Smather's website makes it sound like Kanter wants to go beyond silencing his critics to punishing or destroying them.

Smather writes that even though Autry took down Kanter's videos and offered to sign a non-disparagement agreement, he faced escalating demands that he could not afford to meet. Says Autry, Dr. Kanter has continued the lawsuit.

And is now seeking to file a lawsuit.

For apparently no reason other than to seek the attorney's fees that I cannot afford to pay. In a sworn statement, Autry says Kanter demanded Autry's wife and three young children also sign non-disparagement agreements and that Kanter threatened to bankrupt him by following up his copyright suit with a defamation claim.

Now, remember, I told you that when I was first informed about what happened in Arlington, that the police reported to us that Kanter's side, that Kanter and the college had specifically made mention of filing defamation suits against me, that that was soon coming.

And so this seems to be something very much a part of the bullying that Ergin Kanter is engaging in as a Christian minister and president of now a Southern Baptist college. Just before Thanksgiving, attorneys for Smathers and Autry filed a motion to dismiss the charges.

Their filing is worth reading. It provides documentation of Kanter's duplicity as well as a sense of the flimsiness of his legal claims. The attorneys conclude that Dr. Kanter's motive is simply to lock the videos away so that no one can expose his dishonesty.

Among the assertions in the motion, Kanter made his speeches to the Marines as a government contractor, therefore the government and not Kanter owns the lectures. That's a given, that's just a given. I mean, honestly, you really have to wonder about the attorneys involved here.

You really do. I mean, wow. It is a longstanding principle of Freedom Information Act law that a release to one is a release to all since USMC released the video of Kanter's speech. It's available to every member of the public.

Kanter's copyright claims are bogus because he has not shown that he has copyright to the videos in question. The videos were posted online in 2010. He now claims that his applications are pending. By the way, the DMCA that was launched against us, one video, I know who owns the copyright and I contacted them and they had nothing to do with it at all.

Nothing at all to do with it. And they have not, and they are certainly not going to pursue removing them, of course, fair use anyways, but just more, less than honest activity out there, shall we say.

We wonder who's behind all of it. The attorneys also note, it is a crime to falsely represent the truth on a copyright application. Kanter has also gone after another persistent critic, James White of Alvin and Megan Ministries.

I think that's me. When Kanter was at Arlington Baptist College, White says the school tried to get a local church to cancel a presentation White gave about Kanter's many fraudulent claims and charged White with criminal trespass when a former student distributed flyers on campus about his upcoming speech.

White wasn't even in the state at the time the charges were dropped. Well, it wasn't just me. It was also included the pastor of the church, as well as the gentleman who distributed the flyers. White is, now this is where I'd like to offer a correction.

White is basically begging Kanter to sue him, saying he would love to depose Kanter, his colleagues and his family about the claims he made repeatedly over the years. No, I have no interest whatsoever in wasting time on this pack of lies in this way.

Time and money, because it would take forever and it would take money that could be used to actually continue the work of ministry that Ergon Kanter has lied about doing all these years but never did.

That would be the tragedy of it all. What I have said is, if he does, he better be prepared to bring everybody in. Because if he goes there, if because of the assistance of Norman Geisler and because of the assistance of Veritas Seminary and because of all the schools that allowed him to speak and all the pastors have closed their eyes and all the Peter Lumpkins' of the world that are aiding and abetting him in violating scripture and in promoting lies and errors and giving the Muslims just so much to laugh about.

Laughter in Medina after he's elected as president of a college because the Muslims are going,.

Well, look at them Christians,.

They're really into truth, aren't they? And they've got a real point with these folks, there's no question about it. If after all of that, he finally goes, he's been emboldened by the people who will protect him, who will allow him to lie, and he goes that far, then it's time to end it.

It's time to end it. And it's time to bring everything out there, make it a part of public record and absolutely get rid of all these excuses that Peter Lumpkins and others have thrown out there while he's been independently investigated and all the rest of the stuff.

It's time to get it out there and get it over with. And maybe, maybe enough people are starting to notice this, that the pressure will finally be enough to expose the man and to stop the people who have been aiding and abetting Ergin Kanner.

Maybe they will finally back off and say, hey, this is too much, this isn't working. Bruton Parker's trustees are not the only people willing to overlook Kanner's dishonesty. Arlington Baptist College made Kanner provost after his demotion at Liberty.

And May this year, Kanner was invited to address the Family Research Council's Watch Them on the Wall conference for pastors. White seems personally offended by Kanner's behavior. Yeah, I think any Christian should be.

Saying it is a sin for Kanner to sue Christian pastors to suppress the truth about his own lies. I appreciate the accuracy of that one, it is. Autry is also personally troubled by Kanner's behavior. He says he attended college and seminary at Liberty while Kanner was the seminary's dean.

But the trustees at Bruton Parker College see something else in Kanner. Trustee Bucky Kennedy said in the school's press release that Kanner's character and love for God are admirable and inspirational.

He finishes the article by saying, it makes one wonder what Bruton Parker teaches its students about the definition of character. Now, that's a secular writer. Once the secular world starts getting hold of this, you have to wonder, you have to wonder if all these people who have been aiding and abetting him are gonna start counting the cost.

Now, Peter Lumpkins, Rogers, these guys, they are sold out. But there are others who could really start feeling the pressure. So we wonder, we wonder. Now, what brought all of this about was, as you know, and as the article laid out very well, there have been recent filings in the lawsuit.

I'm primarily familiar with the lawsuit in regards to Jason Smathers. I am not an expert on all the motions that were just filed and all the rest of that kind of stuff. I've just not had time to keep up with that.

I'm supposed to be doing a debate next Thursday that I'm really feeling way behind on at the moment. But be that as it may, there was a article, a blog article, posted at jaredmoore .exaltchrist .com.

And Jared Moore, as I understand it, is second vice president in the Southern Baptist Convention. And he asked Ergin Kanner a few questions. They were honest questions. They were good questions. And of course, it didn't take long for Peter Lumpkins and various and sundry Kanner defenders to show up in the thread.

Now, some of you know that I have sparred with the gentleman we very affectionately call Lumpy in our chat channel for quite some time. And there are a number of articles on my blog documenting some of the zaniness of Petey Lumpkins.

And so I'm not gonna spend too much time on that. But what is amazing to me, and by the way, that article was November 26th, 2013, posted in the truth column by Jared Moore. And pretty quickly, Mark Lamprecht posted, some other people posted, and then Peter Lumpkins showed up on November 27th at 11 .59 p .m.

I guess he just barely made it under the wire there. And so I went back and forth a little bit. And some of the statements that are, now, you might say, well, yeah, this is Lumpkins. Who really, I mean, does the man have any credibility?

And for most people, no, he does not. That's pretty obvious. But the problem is, once you see these comments in the context, what was the thinking of the trustees at this school? I mean, I can only go with two possibilities here.

The really generous possibility is, is that Eric Encantor goes in there and he works his personal magic. And he pulls at the heartstrings. And he talks about how he and his brother were expecting this, and this is how Muslims treat people, and it's just been pagans that have been attacking us, and them hyper-Calvinists, and these guys and gals just say, oh my, oh, that's, and you've just been putting up with this, this is wonderful.

And they just didn't do due diligence, and they were just completely deceived. The less generous is that they see this guy as maybe having the possibility of helping them to keep their accreditation and get more students, and cha-ching, and there he goes.

Who cares about all the rest of it? Obviously, we should not be expecting any kind of statement from the board of trustees answering all of the questions that are out there, and answering the documentation that demonstrates the lies of Eric Encantor.

But the problem that we have is, with people like Lumpkins and Rogers running around saying, he's been exonerated, man, he's as pure, you people, then you could, maybe those are the type of people they were listening to, and you see the result.

You see the result.

Now, I realize that P .D. Lumpkins, these people, they don't care about the impact on ministry to Muslims in South Africa. They don't care, that's irrelevant. It was really bad reading Rogers, in the comments, he didn't care about, why should I care about what the Muslims think?

Well, if you're trying to reach them, it might have something to do with it, but they don't care about that. They're not out there doing that kind of thing. I mean, before I ever even got to South Africa, my Christian contacts in South Africa were telling me, hey, they know about Cantor down here.

That's the other side of the world, folks, and Eric Encantor and Emir Cantor, oh, by the way, the video of the debate from inside the Masjid in Lanasia is on YouTube. Have we posted it? Did we link to it yet?

YouTube's dead, huh? Oh, I don't know what you're doing in there.

Okay, so we're taking the video from the show and we're saving it to the hard drive. So I'll post it to YouTube later on. Everybody's moving over to the audio. In the meantime, I've got no YouTube stuff to manage right now, so I might as well go do that.

Yeah, whatever. That sounds good. Basically, our copies haven't arrived yet, but somebody else's did, and they're already getting them on YouTube. Okay, great, fine. So we'll obviously have our versions up eventually, but the debate on sin and salvation from inside the Masjid, not in a room next to it, but inside the Masjid in Lanasia, South Africa is now on YouTube.

So that's not something Emir Kaner and Ergin Kaner have ever done, even though they claim to have done so. In fact, some people even claim they did it in Arabic, which really wouldn't work very well since they don't speak it.

These folks aren't taking the message out to that level. So I can see why they're just like, oh, this doesn't matter. Do you see why this was important? Do you see why those who've just closed their eyes and closed their ears and was like, well, you know, he's got some pretty powerful friends?

And it's really interesting to look at some of the, let's look at some of the things that Petey Lumpkin says here, because he brings in names, and I'm not sure some of these folks would like to have their names brought in.

Let me see. There is a whole list of people that allegedly have support, well, and you know, in some sense have supported because they haven't come out and said anything about it. But I think there's some people that, okay.

Moreover, others have also concluded similarly. Not only did Norm Geisler, but also Ron Rhodes, John Ankerberg, Paige Patterson, and Joseph Holden, not to mention Cregel Publications' vindication of Eric and Kanner.

Yet here we see character assassination with no conscience on full display. So see, because Cregel refused to do what was right, and I've asked Petey Lumpkin's, okay, you want to follow that line? Then tell me what Hadith 2425 is.

His response is, no. I mean, it's so childish, it's amazing. No, I won't. Because he can't, he knows it. They all know it. Cregel knows it. But you see, when you cover your ankles, when you don't do what's right, then people go, well, see?

See, they've said it. And Ankerberg, did he respond to my whole open letter to him? Nope, never said a thing. Norm Geisler, silent as can be since 2010. Coming up on four years pretty soon. Ron Rhodes, I don't know.

I'd like to know, I'd like to talk to Ron. I mean, Ron and I have spoken at many conferences together. I'd like to ask him, Ron, what about it, man? The evidence is overwhelming. Overwhelming. But you see, Ron's real close to Norm Geisler.

And Norm has put the word out, you will not touch Kanter.

It's politics, it's politics.

Paige Patterson? My understanding is that Eric and Kanter's firstborn son's middle name is Paige, P-A-I-G-E. So there you go. There's a connection there. But none of these folks, none of these folks will answer any of these questions.

They can't, they can't do so. So anyways, let's look at some of the things. First, Lumpkins went after Mark Lampert. They said, Mark, that's pure nonsense. You know, this is about the lawsuit. As for the lawsuit, the dispute is over who owns the rights to videos and whether the owner has control over the way personal property is used.

And it should be remembered, it certainly is not about suing for money. Kanter pursued a legal route after attempts failed. Smathers brought this on, not Kanter. So now let's just remember something that I think really needs to be understood.

The press release announcing the election of Kanter as president at the school. Let me remind you what it says. So this is Bruton Parker, December 3rd, 2013. Third paragraph, born in Stockholm, Sweden in 1966, Kanter is the oldest son of a devout Turkish Muslim leader.

The family immigrated to the United States first in 1969 and settled in Central Ohio. Okay, that's the statement that's being put out right now. Let's remember what Arrogant Kanter said.

I knew nothing about America.

Till I came here when I was 14 years old.

Oh, 14 years old. Says family immigrated in 1969. So that would make him much older than me, but he's actually younger than me. So Mr. Lumpkins, could you explain specifically what Arrogant Kanter meant when he said,.

I knew nothing about America until I came here when I was 14 years old, when he had been living in the United States of America for a dozen years, when he was 14 years old. Could you explain that please, sir?

I'd like to see a blog article from you. What did Arrogant Kanter mean when he made these words? Those words are to the Marines. Oh, you mean the stuff that Kanter's trying to suppress? He's trying to get a copyright on what according to his new school's press release.

Is a lie.

Can you copyright lies? You can if you identify it as what it is, fiction. And that's what Kanter's story was, it was fiction. He didn't identify it as fiction. He didn't tell the Marines it was fiction, but that's what it was, it was fiction.

He went on to say.

Everything I knew about American culture, I learned through American television. Whatever they allowed into the Turkish region.

Again, you're living in Ohio, you're taught English, which is why he has no accent, you're taught English in Ohio, in the Ohio public schools, but you know nothing about American culture? Really? What are you doing in school?

Come, I have a tweet from Emir Kanter to Arrogant Kanter from back in 2010 before this thing blew up, reminding Arrogant that he played a homosexual in the high school play. That's interesting. He goes on to say.

And I get to speak in churches most of my life, or in debates. I debate Muslims and Baha 'i and Buddhists and Hindi and all types on university campuses. So like I said, I spend most of my time getting yelled at.

Yeah, it'd be nice if we could find those debates, but we all know the truth about that.

We drive like that normally, by the way. I don't know if you know if you've ever been to Turkey, but we drive like that most of the time.

Now, we drive like that, but one of the excuses that Petey Lumpkins is throwing out there now is, well, you don't know that Kanter didn't visit Turkey. Well, actually we've raised that possibility because it's mentioned in the legal documents.

In regards to divorce.

Remember the divorce when Arrogant is eight years old and there's a travel ban put in and then it's taken out and then it's put back in. That's not what he was saying to the Marines, was it? Because you aren't driving when you're eight years old, are you Petey?

No, you're not. That's how we drive in Turkey. What did he mean to communicate to the Marines with that? Yeah, let's just play just one other here.

We here in America, obviously,.

But also what they hear about you. And so what I would like to do in the brief time that I wanna speak and then to take questions is sort of pull back some of the things that they assume about you, they hear about you, because these are things that I assumed as well.

And maybe, perhaps, if you understand the mind, you can anticipate some of their objections as well.

Now, here's a man who is raised in Ohio, born in Sweden, pretending to lecture the Marines about the objections that come from a Muslim mindset. Before they're deployed into a Muslim area. That's great.

But what is behind all of this? The idea that he would understand this because he lived there, because he was part of the culture. He wasn't. And even if he went and visited, and I just told him, Channel, there could be no travel because Cantor's dad's passport was held.

I was not aware of that. I just learned something now. That would put a kink in that excuse, but I'd like to look more into that, but that's very interesting. Clearly, he's communicating to the Marines a lie according to the Bruton-Parker College press release.

So which one is it, Mr. Lumpkins? Who's lying? Are these the words of Eric? This is from the Marine video. This is from the things being sued over. This is what he wants to copyright. But the only way to copyright it is to identify whatever it is.

Fiction. It's fiction.

But it wasn't being presented as fiction, was it? No, no, it was not. No, it was not. A year after the Marine presentations, Eric and Cantor again.

I cannot be president. I came in 1978 when I was getting ready to go to college. If you would have heard that it was an immigrant.

I came in 1978. Bruton-Parker College, first United States, 1969. It's a nine-year difference.

Huh.

I wonder why that is. That's interesting.

I hated you.

I hated you?

I may be harsh, but as Dr. Hayes told you, I was, my madrasa, my training center was in Beirut. Before I came to America, we came as missionaries to you.

Before I came to America. He doesn't remember anything before he came to America. He wasn't yet three years old. It's a lie. It's a lie, Mr. Lumpkins. Can you explain it? Can you tell us what these words mean?

Anything I knew about Christianity, I learned through misconception and caricature. I knew nothing about you, had never been in a church, had never been outside of the mosque. Anything I knew about you, I learned either through television, hyperbole, gossip.

But I did know this. I hated you and I thought you hated me.

Now here's a man who grows up in the public educational system in Ohio in the early 1970s. And he says, I knew nothing about Americans. I thought you hated me and I hated you. And the whole context was because I didn't come here till I was 14 years old.

I was living in Turkey. I was trained as a mujahideen. It was a lie. According to the Bruton-Parker College press release. Explain that, Petey. Answer the real questions for once. Don't write a book about something else.

Answer the real questions for once. This is your hero speaking. These are his words, not mine. And while you're at it, you might want to explain this one.

I was the oldest. My father brought his wives with him. Yes, polygamous Muslims do come to America. We call it the Abraham lie. They say, this is my wife and this is my sister.

Where are those other wives? Oh, he remarried later, but you and I both know that's not what he was talking about, was it? No, because he specifically says polygamy. It is so easy to just let Ergin Kanner speak for Ergin Kanner.

And the lies just pile up. So the lawsuit that Kanner is pursuing against biblical command is to hurt other people. That's all it's for. It is to bully and hurt other people. And if he wants to just be open about it, he wants to be able to copyright lies.

He wants to be able to copyright lies. The funny thing is while he's trying to hurt Autry and Smathers, Lumpkins goes on to say, and let's be clear, the reason for your miserable post, which you pulled down and now your buddies is singular and focused, you both want to hurt Ergin Kanner, personally hurt Ergin Kanner.

It's not about ideas. See, I learned a long time ago that those who cannot engage in one-on-one debate, what they do is they project themselves upon their opponents to try to turn it into a morass of contradiction so that nothing clearly can come out.

I've gotten used to this over the years, and that's exactly what Lumpkins does. Because it's Kanner who is viciously attacking other people. And so what you do is you project that upon the people that are going,.

Look, here's his own words.

Will someone answer this? Has Norman Geisler answered these things? No. Has Ron Rhodes or John Ankerberg or anybody who has had this man in to speak? I mean, he was on the podium for the installation of Richard Land at Southern Evangelical Seminary.

Has anybody there answered these things? Nope. Not a word. Not a word. I suggest you both get a grip and stop your conniving crusade to morally pass judgment on a fellow Southern Baptist as a deceiving liar and charlatan.

That's P .D. Lumpkins. He's defending a man who is suing a Southern Baptist pastor and later on says, well, maybe he doesn't consider him to be a Christian. Isn't that passing judgment on a fellow Southern Baptist as a deceiving liar?

I mean, if Jason Smathers is not a Christian and he's pastoring a Southern Baptist church, shouldn't they do something about that? Maybe? Possibly? I mean, the hypocrisy is incredible. Absolutely amazing.

Absolutely amazing. Then he says to Jared, he says, Eric and Cantor owes you exactly zero in answer to your supposed devastating questions. Got it? Zero. And he's going to use the same line with me as well.

Then he goes on to say, Cantor had more than one Muslim school he attended the way I understand it, not only here in the States, but abroad as well. I personally have a copy of a picture with Eric and Cantor sitting in his uncle's lay in Turkey.

Really? Are you sure about that? I bet it's the same picture I've asked Emir Cantor about and he's been silent for three years.

Hmm.

Did he attend Madrasa in Turkey? The picture doesn't prove he did. Now notice, notice again, the dishonesty of this. Did Cantor say I visited Turkey? Would any of us have been spending this amount of time talking about this if Cantor had said I visited Turkey?

But would Cantor have been standing in front of the Marines if the real story had been put? Well, you know, when I was a kid, I visited Turkey with my dad. Can I tell you about it? Yeah, I don't think they would have gotten the Marines together to listen to that.

What do you think? You see, Lumpkins and all the Cantor defenders have to avoid context. They can't come close to dealing with these statements in context. Because if they do, it's so obvious, the dishonesty.

They just can't do it.

As to the second question, the Cantors migrated here approximately two years after Ergin and his brother, not Emir, was born in Stockholm. If you'd read Ergin's books, that's what's published.

Hmm.

Okay.

So.

I knew nothing about America.

Until I came here when I was 14 years old.

Hmm.

So if you read Ergin's books.

I knew nothing about America.

Until I came here when I was 14 years old.

I knew nothing about America.

Until I came here when I was 14 years old.

Wanna explain that, Mr. Lumpkins? I know Emir has not made the claims that Ergin did. That's why there's a contradiction. You wanna explain those words from Ergin Cantor to the Marines in light of what you just said here?

Because now we have two different stories.

Who are we gonna believe?

Petey Lumpkins or Ergin Cantor?

Hmm.

Don't know.

Any contradiction, he says, any contradiction of these dates can easily be explained by conflation. But of course, for you, Mark, James White, and all those self-righteously attacking him, you apparently would rather believe he's a liar.

That's why, Jared, your questions are not hard questions. They are stupid questions, questions you try to pose in an unbiased setting all the while you know darn good and well why you're asking the questions.