Matt Slick Live: June 27, 2024

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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at CARM .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. This show, it's me, Matt Slick, your listener, Matt Slick Live, and I hope you're all going to have a good time listening today.

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And if you want to give me a call, all you have to do, as usual, is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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There we go. All right. Oh, man. So I talked to a guy in Turkey today, and it looks like I'm going to be going to Turkey later this year.

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So it's going to be fun. And so it'll be fun meeting him, probably. He's a pastor, a Christian pastor out there. Went to the same seminary that I did, and we just had a conversation.

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His English is really good. So, hey, it'll be fun. It's no big deal. Been doing a lot of work on some studies and learning some interesting stuff about some interesting stuff.

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But we'll get into that another time. All right. I think that's about it. If you want to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276.

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You can also email me, info at CARM .org, info at CARM .org,

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just put in the subject line, radio comment or radio question, easy to do.

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All right. Let's get on the air with Travis from North Carolina. Travis, welcome. You're on the air. Man, I know you get a lot of calls, but you are probably not going to remember me.

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But I got out of prison last year, and I called you like the day I got out, and I kept calling you for a while. Okay.

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Yeah, I think I remember you. And through a series of unfortunate events, I ended up. Ended up a series of unfortunate events.

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I ended up, and then it's gone, so he's probably back inside. I don't know. We'll see if he can handle it, because it sounded like it was an echo, so it's probably inside.

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Travis, are you there? Hey, we lost you. Are you there?

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Can't hear you, buddy. Are you there? Can you hear me? Now we can. We lost you there.

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Can you hear me? So a series of unfortunate events. You ended up what? I ended up back in prison.

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I was trying to minister to a friend, and she was bad off on fentanyl, and luckily,

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I was there, but she ended up overdosing. That's cool. So I'm calling you from prison right now, but I had my nephew free for you, but I didn't know if you remembered me or not.

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I got out last year, and I called you for a while. It brings back some memories. I remember talking to somebody out of prison, so it must have been you.

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All right. So, okay. Yeah, I ended up, but they only gave me a nine -month post -release violation, so I'm only doing nine months.

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I'll be home pretty soon, but yeah, I was just desperate to talk to you. These are only 15 -minute calls, and actually, my tablet is about to die anyway, but I had a question for you real quick about Islam, and I also wanted to ask you, is there any address or something where I can correspond with you by mail, since I can't call all the time?

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Yeah, I don't know if you have access to the internet, but I can give you the P .O.

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Box for Karm, because it's on the bottom of the website, and it's on every page, but it's

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P .O. Box 1353 in Nampa, N -A -M -P -A.

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1353? Okay. Yep. Nampa, Idaho. N -A -M -P -A. Nampa, Idaho.

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836 -53. Okay. 836 -93?

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53. 836 -53. Okay. Okay. All right.

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Well, yeah, my question was, in prison, there is a lot of people in here claiming to be

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Muslims, and I really think it's just part of some kind of prison culture that they want to be a part of, but they're not really

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Muslims. But I think I remember hearing you say something a long time ago, when

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I was in prison, a long time, listening to you. Didn't you say something about, there was some kind of evidence to support that,

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I don't know if it was Mecca or Medina, or one of those cities that Islam claimed to have some kind of sacred sanctuary or something that wasn't even established when most of the

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You're very muffled. You're very muffled. It's very hard to understand you. I thought that I remembered a long time ago, you saying something about Medina or Mecca or something like that, that Islam or Muslims claim to have some kind of foundation in that it wasn't even established as a city or a culture at the time of Muhammad or something like that.

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I'm trying to come up with some basic, to -the -point argument to give Muslims. Yeah, that's not going to work.

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There's just some conjecture by some people doing archaeology, and there's some timeline differences.

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It won't really matter. So what you want to do is something different. If you get a

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Quran and go to Surah 4, chapter 4, start reading 4, in the 100s, about 150s, 160s, 170s, because in there it says a 157,

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Surah 4, 157. It says that Christ was not crucified, but it was made to appear that he was crucified.

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Well, I asked Muslims who made it appear that he was crucified. They say it was Allah. Then Allah deceived people.

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Then how can you trust Allah if he's a deceiver, especially about this issue of Christianity?

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All right. Man, I love you, man. You are something else. Well, I don't know about that, but here's two other ones.

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You got a pencil? You writing this down? Yeah, I do. I do.

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Right. So, also you want to write down Surah 482, okay?

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Because it says in Surah 482 that the Quran won't have any discrepancies. If there are discrepancies, then it's not from Allah.

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Okay, so Surah 482. And then you want to cross -reference that with Surah 84 or...

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84, 5... Oh, man, I do it different ways. Okay, 85, 6 through 7.

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So, you want to go to Surah 85, 6 through 7. No, 84, 5...

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Man, how come I do it that way? Yeah, here we go.

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86, 5 through 7. Sheesh. And it says this. Let man but think from what he's created.

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He's created from a drop emitted proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs. So, the

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Quran, 86, 5 through 7, says that a man's seed comes from his chest.

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That's a problem. It's not true. That's a discrepancy. So, if there's a discrepancy, the

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Quran can't be true. So, you do those and it'll cause a lot of conversations.

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There's other things you can do. Okay? I have a book right now that is absolutely amazing.

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It's called Paul Meets Muhammad by Michael Wicona. And they're kind of like simulating the debate between the

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Apostle Paul and Muhammad. It's amazing. Yeah, good. Yeah, he knows his stuff.

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So, it'll be interesting. There's a lot of people who are really good with Islam. Those are the basics right there. Get a

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Quran and just start reading through it and start asking questions. And in Surah 23, this is the question

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I like to ask Muslims. In Surah 23, 101 to 103, it talks about salvation.

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How to get your sins forgiven. That's what I ask them. And I can give you some other ideas before your time's up.

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But what I'll do is I'll say, how are your sins forgiven?

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And in Surah 23, 101. You have 16 seconds remaining. Yeah, okay. It says that basically 101 to 103, you have to do good works to be saved.

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And you ask them, are you doing enough good works? And you compare that with the salvation you know you have in Christ.

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And you ask them, why should I give up what I have, guaranteed salvation, for what you had, what you have.

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Which is, you don't even know if your sins are forgiven. So, there's lots of different ways, okay?

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I love it. All right. You have 30 seconds remaining. First letter. I will put a letter in the mail.

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My name is Travis again. And just keep me in your prayers, and I'll do the same for you. And it would be great to talk to you again.

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All right, man. God bless, buddy. All right. That's Travis from inside. I did nine years of prison ministry, going inside different prisons up and all over California.

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And did that for nine years. So, yeah, I know what it's like to minister to those on the inside.

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And it's interesting. It's an interesting life in there. Anyway, let's get to Buskman from Dayton, Ohio.

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Buskman, welcome. You're on the air. Buskman.

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I think we lost him. I think we just went dead. Let's get to Tony from Massachusetts.

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Tony, are you there? Hey, Matt. Yep, I'm here. Long -time listener, first -time caller.

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Just had a question for you. One of my friends was talking about this heresy,

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I guess known as modalism. And he has a friend who's a one that's Pentecostal. And I was just wondering if you could just kind of lay out what they believe, why it's a problem, and what are some of the things that I can say to him about that.

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Yeah, modalism teaches that, and there's slightly different views, but it teaches that there's one person in the

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Godhead, and that the one person takes forms or manifestations at different times.

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So it used to be what's called modal monarchism, is that the mode of the

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Father then became the mode of the Son that became the mode of the Holy Spirit, where it's one person with three consecutive modes.

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Now, there's a slight variation that's happened in the past 20 years that I've noticed, and they say that there's one person who takes different manifestations at different times, and they kind of leave it at that.

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Now, there's problems. So what I'd recommend you do is go to John 6, 37 through 40.

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John 6, 37 through 40. And I have to explain this.

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We're probably going to hit the break here soon, so I'll go through this slowly and give you what to do and stuff.

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Now, see, you go to John 6, 37, all that the

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Father gives me, and you ask Him, who's the me? Now, they're going to say, depending, they'll say it's

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Jesus. Okay. Well, come to me. That's Jesus, right? But wait a minute. The Father, wait, wait, what?

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So Jesus says that all that the Father gives him. So is

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He the Father? They'll have to say yes. Well, if He's the Father, then how does

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He say the Father gives me? Who's the me? Now they probably will say the human nature.

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So then you say that the Father is a divine nature giving to the human nature? Is that what you're saying? So that's what

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I'll do. I take these four verses, and I'll explain more. I take these four verses, and I have them printed up.

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Actually, I do it on a computer when I'm talking to them. And I have brackets behind the word me, the word

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Father, the word me, I, and things like that through the whole text. And then

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I want them to tell me which nature of Jesus is talking. And this is how it goes.

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It's a problem. All that the Father gives me. So the Father is a divine aspect of Jesus, gives me the human aspect, will come to me, the human aspect, right, human nature.

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All those come to me, the human. I think I will not cast out. That's probably the human. For I have come down from heaven.

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Now who's the I? Oh, that's the divine nature. Well, wait a minute. Jesus has come to me.

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So me and the I, are they the same person? Because if they're not the same person, now you have two persons, right?

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But now you're saying that the Father is Jesus. He says the Father gives me, will come to me, the human nature.

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I came down from heaven. Did the human nature come down from heaven? No. Well, then who came down from heaven? Well, the Father. So the

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Father is Jesus? Yes. So I, the Father, came down from heaven not to do my will.

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What? Which will is he not doing? His own will? Who's the will he's not doing?

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You see how this becomes a real problem for them. Okay, we got more to talk about. But it's called

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Nestorianism, and it's a heresy. So hold on, buddy. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages.

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We'll continue talking about this issue, and please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877 -207 -2276.

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We have two open lines. Let's get back on with Tony. Tony, are you there? Yep, still here, Matt. Okay, so let's continue with this a little bit more, with this pericope of John 6, 37 -40.

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Because if you were to type this up, and you put in what they say, which nature is talking, it starts to get really ridiculous from their position.

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And I've done this many times with Oneness people, and it trips them up every time. Okay. So, I came down from heaven has to be the divine nature, because the human nature didn't exist in heaven.

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They'll say, that's correct. He says, not to do my own will. Wait a minute. If the

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I is the one who came down from heaven not to do my own will, how does that work? They're stuck.

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Well, it's the human nature. But he says he came down from heaven. So the human nature is in heaven? You see, it's a problem right now.

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It's a serious problem. He says, but the will of him who sent me. So who was sent?

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The human nature was sent? Did he send himself? Yeah, he sent himself.

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Or one of Pentecostal faiths. Because he said he went to one of their services, and he said the presence of the

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Holy Spirit was definitely there, and his argument was that Christianity is bigger than right and wrong beliefs.

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Christianity is bigger than right and wrong beliefs. That's in the book of Second Moronicals next to Third Stupidification.

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So, yeah, it's bad. And they can say all the things they want to say.

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But when it's Pentecostal theology, it's a non -Christian cult. It's a cult.

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They deny the doctrine of the Trinity. Let me tell you why this is so important about this issue here.

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Because as I go through this pericope of John 6, 47 through 40 with them, they have an alternation between the natures.

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It's like hopscotch. Go back and forth, back and forth. Which nature is it? And they're talking.

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Okay, well, I ask them, is Jesus one person? If he's one person, how is it that he's talking like two persons?

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This is a question they're going to have to answer, and they can't do it. But here's the theologically significant reason.

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I'm going to ask you a question, and I'll teach you here a little bit. So which nature of Christ died on the cross?

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Remember, he has a divine nature and a human nature. So which one died on the cross? Yeah, I would say definitely his human nature.

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All right, good. If only the human nature died, how is it then that the sacrifice is of divine value?

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Okay, that's a good question. Yeah, honestly, I've actually never thought of that.

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It's a really good question. It is. Well, the solution is found in the doctrine called the communicatio ideomatum, or the communication of the properties.

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And this is really significant. This is why the sacrifice is true and works for us, but not for them, and I'll explain.

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Because the communication of the properties, the communicatio ideomatum, the communication of the properties, it says this, that Jesus is one person, and that the properties of both natures are ascribed to the single person.

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So Jesus would say, I am thirsty, in this John 19, 28. And he would say,

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I'll be with you always, even to the end of the earth, Matthew 28, 20. So he's claiming the attributes of humanity and divinity for himself.

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I will be with you always, and I thirst. So the

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I is the one person, and he's claiming attributes of both natures. And there's more verses like this, but those are the two that I used to demonstrate this.

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So when Jesus died on the cross, the person died on the cross, the single person. The one person died.

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The one person has the attributes of both natures. So therefore, we have the sacrifice being of divine value.

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So when we go back to John 6, 37, all the Father gives me, that's me as the person of Christ, will come to me.

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Jesus has two natures, the divine nature and the human nature. And the one who comes to me, that's the person.

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You don't say the human nature or the divine nature, you say the person. He says, I will certainly not cast out, for I have come down from heaven.

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Ah, so now we can understand why he can say, I came down from heaven, because the divine attributes are ascribed to his personhood.

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Not to do my own will. Now this is interesting. I won't get into dithelitism, monothelitism, but this is dithelitism, and it gets more complicated.

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Not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. And Jesus says in Luke 22, 42, he says, not my will, but your will be done.

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He's praying to the Father who's in heaven. Now to a oneness, how's that possible? The human nature's praying to the divine nature.

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Well, wait a minute. If the human nature's praying to the divine nature, then it's two persons.

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And if it's two persons, then only one of the persons died on the cross, and therefore, only the human nature died.

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The human person died, not the divine, because the attributes are not ascribed to the single person, because they divide the person.

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Therefore, the sacrifice is not of divine value in one's Pentecostal.

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Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. And making that distinction between person and nature, yeah, that's very helpful.

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Definitely. Yes. There's deeper stuff, and we won't get into it right now, but go ahead.

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Okay, and just really quickly, if you don't have anyone else on the line, another argument he made was about being baptized only in the name of Jesus.

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Do you have any responses to that? Yes. And what you do is you go to Acts 4 -7. When they had placed them in the center, they began to inquire by what power or in what name have you done this?

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Then Peter filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, Rulers and the elders and people, if we are in trial today for the benefit done to a sick man, as to how he is made well, et cetera, et cetera, he goes on, whom

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God raised from the dead, by this name this man stands. And he goes,

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I skip the part where he says, By the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified. The phrase in the name of means in the authority of.

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So when you baptize in the name of Christ, that's in his authority. So they'll say, it's never the case that you baptize, quote, in the name of the

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Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, close quote. It's always in the name of. And I say that that's what that's right. But X, four, seven and through four, seven to 10 is the answer to that.

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And then you go and you ask him, well, then in Matthew 28. When Jesus says, baptize him in the name of the

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Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Why are you not obeying Christ who gave the specific command and how to do it?

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They'll say, well, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit are all his one name. Really?

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So the name of Jesus is the Holy Spirit. You can go to Isaiah 714.

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Oh, excuse me. Nine, six. Excuse me. Nine, six. All right. For a child will be born to us.

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A son will be given to us and the government will rest on his shoulders. His name will be called wonderful counselor, mighty

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God, eternal father, prince of peace. Now, it doesn't say his names.

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It says his name. So in Hebrew culture,

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Jewish culture, it's similar to American Indian names. Where's Running Bull? He's down there with Flying Eagle.

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Because those names mean things like that. So my name in Greek means gift of God.

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Nathan means to give. His name represents the characteristics of him.

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That's what's going on in the one that people don't know it. Does that help, buddy? Okay. It does. I appreciate your time,

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Matt. Thank you. All right, man. God bless. Call back anytime. I love talking about one house. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages.

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Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show. Hope you enjoyed that previous segment on oneness stuff.

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I like discussing oneness. I've debated many, many, many, many times. There's a lot there to learn and go through.

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All right, let's get to Rusty from South Carolina. Rusty, welcome. You're on the air.

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Hey, how you doing, Mr. Matt Slick? I'm doing all right, man. Hanging in there.

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Okay. The follow up to my question yesterday. Okay. What happens after the thousand years reign of Lord Jesus Christ?

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Do we go back to heaven and earth is destroyed? And when

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Satan is released after the thousand years, how long will he roam the earth until it's over?

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Well, there's different views. But the ultimate position is that when

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Jesus comes back, the new heavens and new earth are going to be made. This is not in the premillennial view.

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The after the thousand years in that view, that's what the new heavens and new earth are made. Okay. All right.

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Yeah. Okay. Yes, sir. Okay. So that's it.

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And that's how the second Peter 2. Second Peter 2. Three.

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You said second Peter 2? Yeah, let me get to it. It's second

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Peter 3. Okay. I got all these verses in my head sometimes. If I don't just get to it,

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I'm going to get lost. Yes, sir. Then I mess up. But it's second

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Peter 3. Ten. Okay. All right. Second Peter 3. Ten.

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Yes. But what that says is a day of the Lord will come like a thief in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat.

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And the earth and its works will be burned up. So the day of the Lord comes like a thief. Right? Yes. Right.

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Yeah. Well, what's interesting is that in 2 Thessalonians 4, 16 through chapter 5, verse 2, the day of the

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Lord comes like a thief in the night is the rapture. Are they the same day, the day of the

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Lord comes like a thief? Is it the day of the rapture, also the day that new heavens doors are made? Because if that's the case, then there's no literal 1 ,000 -year reign.

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Huh. Uh -huh. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So with the

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Passover, I noticed a lot when Jesus came, he fulfilled prophecy from the

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Old Testament, like with the goat blood and the lamb blood that they had to put on the doors of the first Passover.

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That was for their flesh and for their obedience, for death won't take them.

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I couldn't quite understand everything you said. So what was it? Tell me again.

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So with the first Passover, when God told them to put goat blood and lamb blood on the door to protect their flesh, what was it to protect their flesh?

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The Passover was, there were three posts that formed a door in the

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Hebrews houses, two posts to the left and a wooden post over the top.

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So three pieces of wood. Jesus was crucified on three pieces of wood. Jesus says he's the door.

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Yeah. Jesus says he's the door. Yeah. Yeah.

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And so they pass through the door and they're saved. And the blood of the lamb was put on the door post.

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Okay. And also in past, in the Jewish home, there was a little thing that would nail to the door post, symbolizing the law.

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That was the law. They would do that later on and stuff. But, uh, so it's all typological.

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He's the Passover lamb. That's what was put there. Okay. Man. Okay.

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Um, so, okay. Oh, man. Okay. Okay. With the nose.

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Okay. So in the Old Testament, you, you answered my question already, but, uh, you have all the, like the books of the scriptures that, um, come up, lead up to the prophecy of Jesus.

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And I'm not sure I'm following you. Okay. Like Isaiah.

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I already wrote one book. Now. And I heard it when he was on the radio. Talk to the other gentlemen. Isaiah nine, six.

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Yes. Yes. From my understanding, there are more books on that.

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Talk about Jesus coming and how it's going to be to know. Well, the prophecy in Isaiah nine, six, the childhood born his name, his one name is wonderful counselor, mighty

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God, eternal father, prince of peace. And he's not called any of those in the new Testament, those specific names, because that's not the purpose of Isaiah nine, six.

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It's not saying his name is Bob Smith. No. Right. Right. It's not saying his name.

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It represents the characteristics of his, of his nature of his calling. Wonderful counselor, mighty

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God, eternal father, prince of peace. He's representing all of that. And I can get into the theology behind each of those, but, uh, this is, uh, this is what, what's going on.

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Okay. Okay. Yes, sir. Okay. All right, buddy.

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There you go. We've got to call her. So we're gonna get going. Okay, buddy. Keep going. All right. Yes, sir. Have a good day.

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You too, man. God bless. All right. All right. Now let's get to Ebeneezer from California.

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Ebeneezer, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, I'm good. How are you, Matt? Um, I just had one question.

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Like, uh, I was talking to some Muslims online and I heard it from, um, uh, like some

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Christian circles, uh, how they say that the Islamic religion, um,

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Christianity and Judaism are part of, um, are part of the

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Abrahamic religions. And I was like, yeah, that couldn't be so because, because, uh,

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I was like, uh, and I was like, yo, is this theoretical? Um, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

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Hold on. What are they saying that the God of Abraham is? Well, let me tell you what they generally say.

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They'll say that Abraham was a Muslim and he served the Muslim God as did Jesus, David, Moses.

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They'll say all of that. That's what they say. They claim it. And I say to them, that's not true.

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It's not true at all. I said, did you just claim it doesn't make any sense. You just say that Abraham was a

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Muslim. No, no, no, no. I forgot what the reference is, but, uh, but I won't get into other stuff.

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Side track. And I say, so Abraham served God, right? And in Genesis 19, 24, it says

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Yahweh rain, farm, brimstone from Yahweh out of heaven. Why is God speaking of himself in a plurality?

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And what they'll do is they'll say, it's the Royal. We say that's never how it is in the Jewish scriptures.

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Never. Furthermore, this is here. Try this one. This will be a little bit easier for you. Say this, um, say you're saying then that, uh,

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Mo Moses and Abraham served, uh, Allah.

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It was the God of Islam, right? Okay. What's the name of, of Islam, of the God of Islam? What's his name?

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Just ask him. What's his name? Okay. And they're going to say different things, but they're going to say different things.

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And, uh, let's say what has 99 names. Okay. Well, what's his name?

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What's his personal name? Because when God spoke further to Moses, you know, he, he spoke to him.

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He called himself Yahweh. So God identified, identified himself as by the name

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Yahweh. And I say to them, if I remember, remember correctly, it's to be, let's see, three, no, 6 ,517 times that Yahweh's name is used in the old

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Testament. That's a true God. Why is it that Yahweh's name is never mentioned in the

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Quran? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

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All right. So yeah. And also times. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead.

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I apologize. That's just, no, there's a question to ask him. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. Um, and also, um, they, these

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Muslims say that, you know, um, cause I, cause I was like, Allah can't be God because I mean, if it's part of the

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Abrahamic religion, Allah had no son. And, uh, even in Judaism, uh, it's prophesied that Jesus will, you know, will be, you know, come, well, not, they don't believe in Jesus, but it's prophesied that someone will come from that line, which is

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Jesus, but you don't see it in the Quran. You don't even see it in Islam. You know, he never had a son.

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You know what I'm saying? Yes. And if you go to what I would do, if I were you is I would go to carm .org

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forward slash cut. Okay. I'm doing it right now. C -A -R -M dot

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O -R -G forward slash C -U -T cut. That's for cut and paste.

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And you'll see a page come up and you can go to Islam. The link on Islam. And you can go in there and look up the issue.

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Can God have a son? And, and one place in the Quran says no. Another one says yes.

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Why the contradiction? And the references are there. Okay, buddy. Gotta break. We gotta go. All right, man. God bless.

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All right. All right. Thank you. Okay. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned.

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It's Matt Slick Live! Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. Hey, welcome back to the show. All right, let's get on with Jay from Ohio.

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Jay, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Mr. Slick. How you doing, sir?

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Oh, hanging in there, man. Hanging in there. So what do you got? Good. Hey, I was just on Rumble and I got booted off the live chat.

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I just wanted to explain what I was saying. So in case anybody got mad at me or anything.

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There's a commercial that plays on Truth Network between breaks on your show.

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And it's this dad who is like explaining teen language, basically. And he's giving an example of a kid saying, you're the goat, like the greatest of all time.

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And there's this really cool reformed clothing company. It's called Righteous Wretch.

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And they have this shirt that says, the lamb is the goat. And it says, the lamb is the greatest of all time.

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And it's like, you know, like a play on words kind of thing. I said, the lamb is the goat in the chat.

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And I just feel like people thought that I was, like, blaspheming or something.

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So I just wanted to clarify that. Well, they're listening to you. So good. You know, it happens.

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We do get wackos coming in saying things. So Laura's pretty good about getting them.

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So she's probably chuckling right now. It's like, OK, no big deal. Yeah, for sure. I just wanted to clarify in case

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I upset anybody. Yeah. Laura's cracking the whip, as they're saying in there.

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Hey, and that's good, though. I'm sure you guys get a lot of stuff. Yes, we do.

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In fact, that reminds me, I've got to read something. Because we do have wackos that, let's just say they're pretty bad.

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And so I need to read something. Because, you know, on our show, we receive inappropriate chats from individuals.

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Now, let me ask you. Yeah. I'm sorry, not you, but Laura.

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She mistook you for him. Anyway, our corporate attorneys and law enforcement will file a formal complaint if this continues.

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The VPN offers no protection. So, OK. Taken care of.

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All right, buddy. All right. Yeah, no problem, man. I appreciate it. All right. Hey, thanks for calling.

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Yeah, God bless. God bless. All right, all right, all right. Now let's get on with, let's see.

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Arthur from Nevada. Arthur, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt.

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How you doing? Doing all right. Hanging in there. Good. All right. Yes, in here.

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My question is in regards to Jesus Christ. And when we die, we're Christians, we go to heaven. Who are we going to see?

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Are we going to see Jesus Christ? Because he has a glorified body. And the second part of the question is, why is it that pastors and everybody else, they're always saying that we're all going to heaven, but they never mentioned that eventually we're going to end up on earth with a glorified body?

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Is that correct? Am I correct about saying that? Yeah, there's debate about it. We don't know exactly.

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But generally speaking, there's going to be new heavens and new earth. That's prophesied in 2 Peter 3 .10. So that's not a problem.

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And paradise, earth, and stuff like this. And so we're going to have glorified bodies.

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There's debate, let's just say. Some say we're going to be on earth and walk around and enjoy nature and everything as it was meant to be by God.

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There will be no oceans. That's one of the theories. I don't affirm that myself.

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So it's not really clear in Scripture. And that's probably why people don't really talk about it a whole bunch.

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Okay? Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know about the oceans. And did you say about Jesus Christ?

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Is he the only one we're going to see when we get to heaven? Sorry, I completely missed it. No, we'll see other people.

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But we won't see God the Father. He dwells in unapproachable light whom no man has seen or can see, 1 Timothy 6.

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Oh, never, ever. Oh, okay. And the Holy Spirit? God the

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Holy Spirit, we're not going to see him either. Well, I don't know.

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Because the Holy Spirit manifests in the Bible in fire, wind, things like that.

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So will we see something like that? The manifestation of his presence as a wind or as fire? I don't know.

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If we do, that would be seeing the manifestation. But we will be able to spend time with the

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Lord Jesus. Okay? Okay. That is great. All right.

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All right. All right, Matt. I appreciate it. God bless you. All right, Matt. Okay, God bless, man. Thank you.

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God bless. Thank you. Bye -bye. Bye. All right, now let's get over to Nick from Virginia.

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Nick, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, how are you doing? Hanging in there.

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What do you got, buddy? Yeah, I just have a question. We've lost you.

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So I'm not sure. You want to try it again? We're not hearing anything. Hello? Okay, there you go.

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Okay. Okay. All right, now we hear you. Sorry. Yeah, I just have a question in relation to 1

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Corinthians 7, verse 40. Obviously taken into reference to the wider context, but where he speaks that if this person doesn't marry, that they're happier.

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In Paul's judgment, that they're happier. And throughout the passage, he kind of gets at the reality that a person would be happier.

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The better option is if they're not married, to not seek marriage. I'm trying to understand the context of that. I know many people, just in relation to something currently in Corinth, or do you think that that's

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Paul's judgment, like widely for all time? Well, let's read a little context, because we're starting with verse 25.

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It says, Now concerning virgins, I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the

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Lord is trustworthy. I think then that this is good in view of the present distress, that it is good for a man to remain as he is.

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Are you bound to a wife? Don't seek to be released. Are you released from a wife? Don't seek to have a wife. So there's something going on in the

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Corinthian context, where there's problems and distress, and Paul's recommending that you don't change your status in this difficult time.

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So it looks like that's what's going on, is the present distress, whatever that is.

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Okay? It could be impending. It could be impending distress. But if any man thinks he's acting unbecomingly towards his virgin daughter, the story goes on.

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And so he's giving a set of commands and stuff, as his opinion is and his recommendation, considering that context.

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And that's what it is. That's why it says, I want you to be free from concern. In verse 32,

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One who is unmarried is concerned about the things of the Lord, that he may please the Lord.

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He was married and concerned of the things of the world. So this is overall. If you're going to be married, you've got responsibilities with your family.

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But if you're not married, you're free to serve God a lot more. And so this present distress, he's saying, you know, stay as you are.

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And that's the whole overall context. Okay? Okay.

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And I guess, should, so, I know there are others, you know, within the, maybe the controversy of that passage that would say that the present time is the reality of the, just the end times, the grown, very short.

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No. And then in verse 31, the world is passing away. So you, you don't think that the two are linked.

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Well, they relate, but how do they relate? And to what extent? So what he's, if you go to 39, he says, a wife is bound as long as her husband lives.

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But if her husband is dead, she's free to be married to him. She wishes only in the Lord. But in my opinion, this is what he says.

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In my opinion, she's happier if she remains as she is. I think also by the spirit of God. So he's just giving an opinion that it's single.

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Being single frees you to serve God more. That's what he's talking about.

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Now, is he single? Well, he's a Pharisee and Pharisees were off. We're married. So does his wife die?

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It's not mentioned or what? We don't know, but he's just giving his opinion. Okay.

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Well, I guess I might've been unclear, but I definitely agree that he's given his opinion, but I guess my question more.

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So do you think that that that judgment holds true for our all time?

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Like I've heard that his judgment is only applicable for that current situation at that current time.

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He said in the present distress, stay as you are, but he's also saying, look, it's better to be single to serve

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God. So that applies to any time, you know, if I'm married, been married for 36 years.

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If I become single, whatever, as life throws us curves and, you know, my wife could become single.

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So they have me. I don't have any plans to, uh, to, to get remarried. I would rather serve God and, uh, more fully.

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So it just makes sense. And that's fine. Okay. And I have one other question kind of in the context.

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If you had time, if not, that's fine. Sure. We've got one caller waiting. Let's do it in 30 seconds here. What do you got?

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So do you think there's any correlation between like Matthew chapter 19, verse 10, uh, as far as the

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Pharisees coming to the conclusion, uh, when Jesus spoke about divorce that in, in light of everything,

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Christ said that it's better to not marry. Do you think that there's any similarities between the conclusion that they came to and kind of what

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Paul is saying here? No, the context, what Jesus is talking about is those who, uh, are, are getting divorced.

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And he says, except for immorality or porneia emerged, commits adultery. The disciples said that the relationship to the man of his wife is like this is better not to marry.

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Yeah. If it's so bad that, that this kind of sin is going on and it's bad, it's better not to marry.

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It's that's what's going on. Okay. All right. Thank you. All right, man.

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God bless. All right. Now let's get over to Cole from Virginia. Cole. Welcome. You're on the air.

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We got about two minutes. Mr. Matt, I'll, I'll make it quick. How are you doing, sir?

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Good. All right. All right. What do you got? Uh, it's about, I'm traveling, so I don't know exactly where it's at, but at the end of revelation, it says that God, Jesus is going to turn everything over to God, the father, and he's going to come to the earth.

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Can you look that up? It's in revelations at the end. It says, God, God's going to come down to the earth.

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So I guess we're going to, we're going to see him, man. No, it doesn't say those things. Uh, so you're talking about first Corinthians 15 when

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Christ hands, it's in revelation. It's in revelations at the end of revelations.

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The last book of the last chapter of revelation, it says, Christ will turn everything over to God, the father, and you'll be all in all.

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He's going to come to the earth. Okay. I'm trying to answer you. It's in there. Oh, okay.

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Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I'm trying to answer you, but you're not listening.

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Okay. You need to go to first Corinthians 15 and start reading there and see what it says.

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They're about Christ reigning until, uh, uh, let's see.

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First Corinthians 15, he says, most of whom remain until now. And he goes on, he must reign until he's put all enemies under his feet.

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And it says, uh, uh, subject to him. Then the son will be subject to the one who subjected all things to him.

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So that God may be all in all that's first 28. I think you're mixing up verses.

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So if you have a specific verse in revolution, wait, wait, wait, but hold on. It is. It's at the end of revelations.

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So wait, so God will let the devil see them and not us. It's the last chapter. It's the last chapter.

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Is that the, I don't know. It's the very last in the revelations, the very last, the last chapter.

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So, okay. Then you need to show me the verse that says that I'm not familiar with that.

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Okay. Maybe you can call tomorrow. I'll call you. I'll call you back tomorrow. But listen, another thing to think about,

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Matt, why would God let the devil see him? Because you know, the devil saw him, but he wouldn't let us,

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God's going to let us see him. The father. No, he's not. No, he's not. He's in the spiritual, man.

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Hold on. Hold on. Stop. We will not see the father. Call back tomorrow. Whoa.

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Anyway, I hope the guy gets actual scriptures for that. Amen. The Lord bless you. And by his grace, we'll be back on the air tomorrow.

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We'll talk to you then. Have a good evening, everyone. God bless. Bye. Another program powered by the Truth Network.