October 25, 2017 Show with Joseph Jacowitz on “The Rise & Fall & Rise? of Family Radio” AND “The Vanishing Gospel”

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this 25th day of October 2017 the day before the long-awaited iron sharpens iron radio free pastors luncheon in honor of Reformation Day, we'll be talking about that a little bit later but if you have not yet registered we did extend the registration our SVP to tonight at midnight and We opened up the registration even to men who listen to this program who are not necessarily in the ministry.

But they love iron sharpens iron radio and they have the means to get out to Carlisle, Pennsylvania. Once again, our keynote speaker will be a pastor William Shishko Who is the retired pastor of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Franklin Square, Long Island, New York?

He's also a faculty member at Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary in Taylor, South Carolina and Regional home missionary for Reformation Metro, New York. He's going to be speaking on restoring Reformation passion.

Our guest of honor is going to be Steve bloom, Pennsylvania State Representative and Also a on-fire born-again Christian who does not carry his faith in his back pocket. He is very upfront and bold about his faith.

He is also a very humble Servant of Christ someone who you immediately have your heart endeared to if you meet him. If you are a Christian, of course and we're looking forward to having Steve bloom say a few words as well and We're also going to have some representatives there from first love publications and we are going to be speaking today With the director of first love publications, Joseph Jackowitz.

But before I introduce him, I just want to remind you of our email address where you can send in your registration for the iron sharpens iron Pastors luncheon. It's free of charge. You're going to be leaving with a ton of free books if you attend and it's tomorrow October 26th 11 a .m to 2 p .m. At the Carlisle fire and rescue banquet hall in Carlisle, Pennsylvania and The email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com and put pastors luncheon in the subject line, but now I'm going to be introducing to you Someone who is a returning guest to iron sharpens iron who I just mentioned his name is Joseph Jackowitz Founder and director of first love publications and one of two pastors at Christ Bible Church of Pleasanton, California.

He's going to be discussing during the first hour the rise and fall and rise Question mark of family radio and during the second hour We're going to be discussing the vanishing gospel, but it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio Joseph Jackowitz.

Thank you, Chris. It's a blessing to be with you.

And you know something as many times of you and I have spoken I wanted to make sure that I'm pronouncing your last name, right? Is it Jackowitz or Jacob? It's.

Okay, and.

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Publications has its roots about 20 years ago and by giving away the preacher They did the same trying to be a testimony and a witness of free distribution. About three and now we're up to 51 last couple years.

We've been growing exponentially. They for Nigeria and our missionaries to distribute about 500 pounds of Free literature and then we're going to Nepal at the end of the month to probably the largest reformed Baptist pastors conference in the history of Nepal the country of Nepal in the Himalayas to minister to 300 past life theology books into the Nepali language and sending those pastels and pastors.

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Meeting some of your team who are arriving in Carlisle, Pennsylvania tonight So they can be prepared for the pastor's luncheon tomorrow, and it is such a joy to know that Folks like you want to labor Alongside iron sharpens iron radio to bless pastors who are coming to this and we have pastors traveling very far distances to this event and I keep getting word from people in New York and a brother from Georgia and People from Virginia and Maryland, it's just Such a blessing to know that people think so highly of iron sharpens iron radio and these pastors luncheons that they're willing to drive so far to attend and.

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One of the first thing that we are scheduled to talk about today Is a very controversial issue especially amongst reformed people I think because reformed people globally are more aware of family radio and Harold camping and Harold camping who is now the late Harold camping who passed away.

How long ago was it that mr. Well, he I know was I believe an architect and an elder in a Christian reform congregation many years ago and Family radio When it began and for many years after it began Was a bastion of solid biblically sound historically faithful.

Reformed.

Teaching and pastors that the finest of reformed pastors from all over the United States and From other parts of the world, I think predominantly the UK had their Sermons aired on there regularly and they had the conference echoes Program.

I had gotten a lot of sermons aired on conference echoes that I remember the the brother who was in charge of Choosing what sermons to air. What became so? Used to loving the sermons that I would send in to him, but that back then it was by cassette tape that he didn't even he didn't bother listening to the whole sermons anymore because he just counted on my Discernment and he would he would.

I think he aired pretty much every sermon that I ever mailed to him, but then there was a really serious departure from biblical orthodoxy that Began to raise its ugly head in the mind and heart of Harold camping, but I want you to being more knowledgeable about Family radio.

First of all, tell us about your relationship With family radio and how long you were involved with family radio and something more of the history. About the rise and then the fall of family radio.

Anyone who want family radio course their time for many many years probably a few other different pro variety. That was my engine instructor. Unless you endorse the direction a major metropolitan areas.

It was a national as well as there's actually a 19th and about 10 12 different languages. So he just launched out Construction company owner. He took his training from UC Berkeley. So by 1950 1958 and financially to buy the fledgling ke AR in major areas like WFSI and a jersey metropolitan area where I got him into somewhat too negatively.

Eventually, I think built 1994 question mark about 2002. Yes, in fact.

Harold camping even long before he became In tall intolerably heretical there was always something about his teaching and about his manner that troubled a lot of biblically sound Reformed pastors. He always had a unteachable Demeanor about him and he you know had had some odd thoughts on things that he would Really tenaciously cling to during his open forum program things that some of which He actually abandoned.

I mean.

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Mean, it's too bad that he didn't abandon the The more problematic issues. He started to abandon very serious vital Orthodox teachings as you mentioned he Seemed to start off Getting public attention for his heretical notions when he was predicting the end of the world.

But then it moved on to Not only that Christ was the enemy of the church, but you were marked out as an enemy of Christ if you were a member of a church and that you should have no hope for salvation if you were a member of a church and as you recall, I Actually was pleasantly surprised that Harold camping after many attempts To have him debate on my radio program when it was broadcasting in of New York iron sharpens iron radio out of WNYG radio in Babylon Long Island.

He finally agreed to have a debate on my program with dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega ministries. That lasted several days and that was in July of 2009. If anybody listening wants to get those Audio links for that debate just send me an email to Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com. It but Harold camping in the subject line, but As he approached the end of his ministry He was getting really Radically heretical in ways that I never dreamed he would wind up like for instance when I had him on my program.

He actually denied the necessity to believe in Christ as a as a vital aspect of being saved. Right. He when I when I was interviewing him. I Said to him you believe that the end of the world is going to occur in just a matter of weeks and I said I know missionaries who say that there are still areas of the globe that have not been evangelized and the book of Revelation clearly teaches us that that those who will be worshiping the Lamb in heaven are from out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation and How could you say that the end of the world is coming are you are you saying that all of these Unevangelized areas are going to be fully evangelized.

So that they're the remnant will come out of them and he actually said you don't need to believe in Christ to be saved. That's excuse me. And he said the the believers in the Old Testament. They didn't believe in Christ so he really and he also had didn't he have some very strange ideas of the Trinity that developed that became almost modalistic and Even a view of the atonement that almost appeared to be Promoting a patrae passion ism that the father suffered on the cross.

You know what? I'm talking about. Yeah, he did have a weird in 2002 suggested if anathema they're condemned by the Lord. That was it. And at the end I mean everyone is shocked sitting next to my the night time to indoctrinally took God into the scripture and The old finally after an innocuous harmless thing that he did he was actually whether he believes it or not He was attacking the church.

He was members 20 of their church members and there were conflicts and caused upon the church of the direction many lives. But then the next few years of Annihilation Elizabeth won't have to and I think the greater decree of God that was the and many places in scripture you cannot apology and doctrine logically because there are many and Antinomies that is docked each other but to be reconciled just to be accepted by God's people.

Camping. Now I know that some believers don't have Calvinism and that he really did not emphasize it ever. I've never heard him on his open forum program and I listened to him for 25 30. I never heard a clear free offer of the believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

And let's pick up right where you left off there.

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Chris Arnson at gmail .com and just give us your first name city and state and country of residence if you live outside the USA and a couple of interesting things. Joe is that Number one Bill Shishko, who's our keynote speaker tomorrow.

He was very involved in family radio on conference echoes and Knew mr. Camping personally and spoke at a couple of the family radio conferences out in New York and at least a couple and when mr. Camping first Started to predict the end of the world Pastor Bill and a handful of other Reformed men.

And.

Including dr. Bob Cameron. I don't know if you knew Bob He was a dear friend of mine who is now in glory with Christ, but they confronted. Mr. Camping and he was he was defiant unteachable. And in the irony is back then He said one of the signs that the church was apostate he said, where do you hear preachers?

Warning against hell anymore and it's kind of ironic that he wound up abandoning eternal conscious punishment and adopted the annihilation view. But one thing that's Kind of humorous now that I look back on it.

Is that the general manager of WFME in New Jersey? Family radio affiliate he knew that I Had been working for a while in Christian radio and he Contacted me to take a trip out to New Jersey to see the studios because he wanted to see if there was a position a family radio for me so I went out there to WFME radio and When I got there the general manager was in a meeting and I had to wait in the lobby for quite a while and then we Went out right next to family radio the WFME.

There was a Japanese restaurant and We were sitting there having the meal prepared right in front of us one of those types of places where the guy chops up the food right right on the oven, you know on the The oven right on it right in front of you and flipping things around.

And he and the general manager said to me Chris I have an update for you that and I really apologize to you from the depths of my heart, but I was fired today.

He.

The general manager there at WFME was among The minority of folks with family radio that did stand up against. Mr. Camping. In fact He spoke at a pastor's meeting that was open to pastors of all churches at The Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Franklin Square on Long Island, New York where pastor Bill Shishko was pastor before he retired and the general manager of family radio was there as the as the speaker to rally support again with him in opposition to Harold campings teaching on the end of the world and That was really what brought about his demise in his career.

With family radio as that he dared to defy. Mr. Camping on that issue, but before the break You were talking about how you never really heard a Clear gospel proclamation by mr. Camping. One of the things that he was always famous for saying was When people would ask him what can I do to be saved?

He would always say that he would always say something that was a contradiction in terms. He would say there's nothing you can do. There's nothing at all. You can do just cry out to God. Just cry out to God now that that's a he's contradicting himself right there.

There's nothing you could do and cry out to God.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, of course that is a contradiction in terms because if there's enough to Christ He should have said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ or pray to Christ now. Praying someone would say well that's doing something.

That's a work or crying out to God. That is a this is not on this Christ and he is the one that would grant for Calvinist any kind of physical activity. Whatsoever including our gifts of God just like salvation some God's gospel just like to believe.

Years litter camping is he's doing well, but then he says cry out to God cry out to God. I and I and I would I would just cry out and bang the dashboard and say no believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Then you will be saved at the camping.

Tell them about Christ point them to Christ tell them to believe in Christ. The Holy Spirit's an expert at saving people. He knows how to separate of the salvation truth. He knows how to glorify Christ alone as the source of our salvation.

Tell them what Jesus tell them believe on the Lord. Amen. Yeah, that was just some unintentional computer sound effects there Biblical method which is called the historical grammatical and tells you're going to be a thousand as a basis.

They look at in the Bible that must be ascertained.

Oh, yeah, sure, for example.

21 as pictures of the church action whatsoever in those examples are not connected together by any Literal surface common and he is the one by reference grammar the context. Amen. Yeah, in fact if you remember in the debate that Harold camping had with dr. James R. White.

On my program. That was one of the things that James White was bringing up to him and mr. Camping was defiantly rejecting any need for him to use the historical grammatical method of interpretation and.

He.

And in fact one of the things that was always unusual about him even when he was a Christian Reformed Church elder Reformed Christians are known For being confessional people and mr. Camping even when in the CRC seemed to be anti-confessional.

He had a twisted and warped understanding of sola scriptura to the point where He he became in essence the caricature that Roman Catholics Like to paint of all Protestantism that we are our own Popes who infallibly interpret the Bible alone out of any historical context of the church's Interpretations of things he seemed to reject The the great gift that God has given to the church for centuries, you know the great men of faith like John Calvin and like Luther and like John Knox and like Charles Spurgeon He he seemed to only want to rely upon his own understanding alone of what the Bible taught.

Am I off base here?

No, you're not. It seems as if and I knew him thing he did. He wanted to occupy a Christian world he wanted to come up with in that unique, but the problem is historic and biblical Christianity believed by the majority of Reacted and accept the camping nights who followed his teaching and swallowed his teaching hook line and sinker.

But camping became the very thing he cried out against his entire public ministry. Especially at the helm of the open forum program where he would almost date and his novel interpretations Attracted I've had sound teaching or sound pastors right on the blackboard of their doctrinal minds yet These people would be vulnerable.

How camping meant. Well is that out against even though he said the void that was not known by the average? Believer and could not be Observed by the average believer. Is that right?

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