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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live, and you can probably tell my voice is a little out of sorts.

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So this head cold thing started today, and I'm fighting it. But I'm going to do the show, and unless it gets really bad,

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I'll continue. So that's what it is. Just got a bad head cold, and I get it about once a year. I get it about once a year, and it does this about this time of year, so that's what it is.

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Hey, if you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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I want to hear from you. Give me a call. We can blab. We can do whatever you want. It'll be fun. And so we've had some good calls lately.

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They've been interesting, and dealing with confusion, with baptism, with parables, with other stuff.

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I did some research today, and working on an article, and releasing another article

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I've got a bunch I'm working on. And let's see. Yeah, let's see.

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I've got a lot of stuff going. Somebody called yesterday about the God of Confusion, and why does he speak in parables.

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And so I wrote an article on that, read the context of that statement, 1 Corinthians 14, 33, and wrote an article on it.

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And it'll be released on the 5th. And also, I wrote an article which was released, it'll be released in two days.

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One of the main issues of the seven churches of Revelation, you know I've been to each of the locations, and it's really cool to be able to stand in those places where the people of God were, and some good churches and some bad churches.

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And I wrote this article, it'll be released on Friday. And I wrote this article very succinctly, just one of the positive, negatives from each church, what

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God says, what Jesus says, and then the application. Very simple. A lot of times people write entire books on these things, and me,

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I like it being quick and slick, so I just get right there and do that. And today, how does election work with the

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Great Commission, that article was released today. What I'm trying to do for the Karm site is to write one article that gets released every other day, so that there's a constant flow of stuff coming out.

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And as we work on SEO, search engine optimization and other things, and I spent about an hour on the phone with our web guy, and we're going to be working on some things, and get some other stuff going, so we're in the process of that.

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And the schools, if you're having any trouble, anybody out there, if you're trying the schools and there's any problem, what we need is you to say, when

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I went to this URL and I typed in my name, this is what happened, this is the error I got.

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That way, we know exactly what's going on. When someone says, I had trouble logging in, it really doesn't help us. So we need to know, you know,

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I was trying to log in, it asked for me a password, I sent in my request for a link, it never came in, or it did come in, when

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I did, it didn't work. Just things like that, and that's what we need to know. But we have 5 ,000 people who have signed up for the schools, and we had 30 requests for resets of passwords last month, and that's fine, that's good.

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So a lot of times, people just forget what their passwords are, or get a new computer and lose the information, and that's fine, and they just ask, and sometimes they can't get something solved, and they'll let us know and we'll take care of it on that end.

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But we are able now to get back in, and there was a change in security that was done in the powers that be out there on the internet, and it messed us up a little bit.

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But hey, that's all good now, too. So we're going to be working on all kinds of stuff, on stores, and we're going to be changing some things, so that people will be able to manage their accounts a lot more easy, a lot easier, a lot more easier, a lot more easily, and we're going to be working on that.

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So that's another thing. In the works, it'll be a few weeks before that's released, and by the way, I will be,

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Lord willing, the date for me to do a debate is the last Friday of this month of May, and I'm supposed to debate a

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Mormon, and does the Bible teach salvation by faith or works, and it'll be at Weber State in Ogden from 4 p .m.

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to 6 p .m. on that Friday. Now, 4 p .m., I wish it was a little bit later, because 4 p .m.

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is a bad time. I said it's not a good time for that, because a lot of people are just getting off work, and if it was 7, a lot more people would show up, but that's just the availability, that's what it was.

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So that's what we're doing, and that's what it is. I forgot the guy's name.

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I'll be debating. He's a Mormon, and by God's grace, be able to present the biblical truth of what it is, and that the teachings of Mormonism will be exposed as not being biblical, and that's what we'll see what happens.

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All right, let's get on the phone with Jeff from South Carolina. Jeff, welcome.

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You're on the air. Good evening. I just had just something quick,

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I guess. I've got probably family members that died, and I don't know if they were saved.

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Some of them professed to be nonbelievers, but I didn't know, according to the

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Bible, when people die, if they don't go to heaven, are they like, basically, if you go to hell, are they like suffering forever and ever and ever, like forever tormented, or destroyed, like they're just destroyed, and then they're burned up, and there's no more?

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No, they continue on in their suffering forever. There's no end to it.

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Sorry, but that's what the scriptures teach. I know there's a group called annihilationists, and they teach that.

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After a while, the person is annihilated, and that's just not biblical. I've written,

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I think, 182 articles, literally 182, dealing with that topic and all kinds of word studies.

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I really get into it very heavily. Yeah. Yeah, it's just one of those things that I... Go ahead.

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...that I think about once in a while, and I'm like... Yeah. Yeah, and I've always kind of thought that, too, but I've heard other people saying that they're destroyed and...

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No, they're not. Right. You know, if they're destroyed, here's the faulty logic.

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Let's say, from the annihilationist position, it's someone, they do really bad stuff, and then they die.

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There are several views here, we'll go through one at a time. They die, they don't exist anymore. So, the punishment, then, is nonexistence.

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But nowhere in the Bible does it ever say that punishment is nothing, because nonexistence is nothing.

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Punishment is always experienced. And so, to say that a person is annihilated as punishment is problematic, because it's just not consistent with what the

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Scriptures teach. And furthermore, another problem is, let's say that,

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I'll use the conditions or states of existence, that's not really going to work, but you'll see what

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I'm saying here. Let's say there's a condition where a person does not exist, then he's born, or he comes into existence.

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And then, according to annihilationism, he stops existing. So, that means to stop existing is punishment.

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But what it means to not exist is exactly identical after you're alive from before you're alive.

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They're identical, because there's nothing to them. And so, how can Condition 3, you know, nonexistence, be punishment when

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Condition A is exactly identical to it is not? You see, so it doesn't make any sense. That's one problem.

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Here's another problem. Sometimes, people will say that a person might suffer for so many years according to his or her sin.

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And after that period of time, they are wiped out, and they suffer no more.

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Well, what that is saying is that a person's sin will get that individual a certain amount of punishment related to his sin.

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So, okay, well, if that's the case, then let's say someone suffers for 500 years because of his sins, and then he's done, and he gets annihilated.

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Well, wait a minute. Why annihilated? Why not be redeemed? Because if the punishment of sin, which is breaking the law, is now met, that means the law has been satisfied.

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If the law has been satisfied, then how come you can't be saved? And that's a question that the annihilationists don't really do well at answering.

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And so, there's just a lot of problems. Yeah. And plus, you know,

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Jesus says, you know, that, for example, in Matthew 25, 46, what he says is, he says, these go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

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So, what they'll say is eternal punishment is non -existence. That's what eternal punishment is.

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But again, like I said, that's not what punishment is. I've done some more studies on it. Yeah, that's

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Matthew 25, 46, yeah. And then you can go to Revelation 14.

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Yes, that's right there, everlasting punishment, yeah. That's right. Mm -hmm. Yep. Now, Revelation 14, 11, the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever.

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They have no rest day and night for those who worship the beast and his image, whoever receives the mark of his name.

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So, the smoke of the torment goes up forever and ever. It's just what it is.

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And I think there's another one, Revelation 20, 10. Yes, the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also, and they'll be tormented day and night forever and ever.

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So, it's eternal, unfortunately. Okay. I don't really want to get into it, but I was kind of studying a little on the end times, but there's the historicist view.

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Have you ever studied any of that? Yeah, that's more the view of the early reformers,

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I believe, as opposed to what the pre -trib 70s, in relation to what everybody teaches now.

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Yeah, I haven't. I'm not very familiar with it, but it reminds me of preterism and partial preterism.

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It goes with the book of Revelation, and the book of Revelation is very difficult to interpret sometimes, so it becomes difficult.

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The reformers had a lot of good things to say about salvation, but I'm not so sure

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I'm convinced that their understandings of historicism is good.

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But that's all right, you know? Yeah, they don't believe in, like, there's a pre -trib rapture.

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They believe that the, what do you call it, the tribulation that's been going on from the time of Christ, or the time of Christ's resurrection, and it's been historically going on through all the way up to the return of Christ, whenever that is.

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Right now, right? Yeah, I agree.

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I mean, I'm an amillennialist, and my view of amillennialism is a little bit odd. I believe in a literal kingdom that we're in now of Christ ruling, but the reason it's not manifested is because his subjects, the

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Christians, aren't doing what they're supposed to be doing. And that's why the Bible says Jesus will come and take out of his kingdom all stumbling blocks, and then we're raptured.

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The rapture does occur. Hey, man, there's a break. If you want to hold, go ahead. If not, hang up. Okay, I'll let you go,

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Matt. I don't think I have anything else to ask for. I appreciate you. Okay, hey, God bless,

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Jeff. Hey, folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show, and my voice is a little raspy today.

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That's just how it goes sometimes, but we'll get through it. All right, let's get to Carolyn from Ohio. Carolyn, welcome.

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You are on the air. Hi, Matt. I talked to you last night. I was one of your last callers.

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You had mentioned me calling back. I had the woman that I met at church who was homosexual, and you said she's full of the

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Holy Spirit. Yeah, she's not. If she's practicing homosexuality in an unrepentant state, then she is in a blasphemous condition.

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She is under judgment, and she needs to be prayed for, delivered from it. My biggest problem is

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I've had this—I mean, I'm a Christian. I love the Lord with all my heart, and I want to win others to Him or help to win others to Him, but I can hardly stand to be around her.

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I don't like to be at church. When she's there, she comes in our

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Sunday school class, and she—like I said, she walks in, and she starts a hymn for everybody to sing, and she dresses like a man.

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I told her when we had the lunch, I said—she said something about she was so surprised I realized she was homosexual.

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I said, well, it seems to me like anybody that looks at you could tell.

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And she said, really? Well, anyway— What church is this? I just don't know how to relate to her.

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Okay, well, let's talk about that, but I'm curious. What church is it with denomination? Nazarene.

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Ah, that explains a lot. The Nazarene—sorry, but the Nazarene church is just going downhill.

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Its heart is in the gutter. It's not in the place of Christ. I live literally five miles from Northwest Nazarene University, and we know around here that they're liberal and just not good.

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Not good at all. I could tell you stories. In fact, they're promoting homosexuality in their church.

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So the Nazarene church is one of those churches, those denominations, that I recommend people leave.

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They flee from because they're apostate. And so,

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I'm not saying we shouldn't love homosexuals. I'm not saying don't have them in the church. Not at all. We want them in, and we want them to hear the gospel.

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But they need to be called to repentance. They cannot have their sin, the great sin of homosexuality, and also claim to serve and love

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Jesus. These are not compatible at all. Okay, so what do you feel?

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Well, I've been wrestling with that. So that gives me an idea.

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Okay, well, thank you, Matt, so much for your program. And your last caller, that was quite a heavy sermon.

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Yeah, there's the thing about truth. When you realize hell's pretty simple. Yes, it is.

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And it'll be for the homosexuals and for the adulterers, the fornicators, the liars, the thieves, those people who have abided in those things.

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To no degree have been. Yeah, for those who have abided in those things, those people who have not repented.

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And they will meet their judgment. And it will be eternal. Yeah. Well, thank you again, so much.

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And I'll continue to listen to you. Keep it up. Well, thank you. Okay, thank you very much. Well, God bless.

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Uh -huh, God bless. Okay. All right, so here's the thing. I'm not against—how do

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I put this right? Let's just say that our children have friends who are in the

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LGBT ABC alphabet mob. And we welcome them over at our house.

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We say, come on over. That's okay. And we love on them. And we treat them respectfully and lovingly.

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And one of—let's just say we just found out yesterday, day before, that one of them is now identifying with a certain set of pronouns.

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My wife and I talked about it. And when or if and when that person comes over, we will not address that person by their preferred pronouns.

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I identify myself as a duogenderist. And a duogenderist—this is what

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I coined the term, I guess. I looked it up. I didn't see any other term like that. So a duogenderist is someone who believes in two genders and the necessity of addressing them by their biological pronouns.

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So that's what a duogenderist—that's how I identify. So if they want me to identify what they want to identify, then they're being hypocritical.

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And I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to participate in self -deception.

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I'm not going to participate in that which is contrary to the created order of God. And I won't do that.

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And so I'm a duogenderist. I'm going to look that word up again to see if it ever shows up.

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Let's see. Because I've got to make sure I'm not using a term. Duogenderist.

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Let's see if someone else hasn't already grabbed it. Oh, man. Oh, you know what?

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Someone already got it. So let me try this one.

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I think there's another way to do it. Man, they got that one too. Oh. Okay.

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Yeah. Duo and die. Okay, I'm going to come up with a word. Hey, if you've got any ideas, what would be a good term to identify to coin and say?

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Because we identify, yes. So there you go. You know, our world is just so self -deceived, self -absorbed, humanistic, as it just rolls, runs, rushes down towards the abyss and wants others to join.

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If you want to give me a call, the number is 877 -207 -2276.

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Let's get to you. Benezer from California. Benezer, welcome. You are on the air. Hey. Hey, Matt.

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Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Hello? Yes, I hear you. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I was wondering if you, well, you said no about the

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Pentecostal charismatic movement. But he was talking about how it ties in with Mormonism.

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You know, if you look back into its history, like, you know,

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I know you, you would talk about how Mormons, you know, they go a lot by their...

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Their feelings, yes. Yeah, so, yeah, so I was wondering, just by me giving you a background,

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I know you will probably have to see it, but what would you... Because I came out of the Pentecostal church.

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I don't know that. All right. What's your views on that? What's your views on that? Well, the

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United Pentecostal and United Apostolic are non -Christian cults. But there are

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Pentecostal churches that are within orthodoxy, and they just, in my opinion, overemphasize the spiritual gifts.

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It doesn't mean they're not saved. It just means that I believe that they're overemphasizing those things. So it just depends on which

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Pentecostal group you're associated with. Okay.

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Okay, okay, okay. Also, another question.

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You know the... Doesn't the Bible talk about how homosexuality is a crime against nature?

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It's a... Yeah, it doesn't use that phrase, but it is because it's opposing that which is natural, the natural function of the woman, the natural function of the man, etc.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Romans 1. Romans 1. So... Isn't...

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I do have adultery. Can you hold on? We've got a break. Okay. We've got a break coming up. There's the music.

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So just hold on. And then we'll stay online and we'll get back with you. Okay, buddy? Hold on, man. Hey, folks.

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We have Ebenezer waiting. And if you want to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276.

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We have three open lines. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all

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I have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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All right, let's get back on here with Ebenezer. There you are, buddy. Go ahead. Yeah. Can you hear me?

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Sure. Yeah, I hear you fine, man. Yeah. So, also, doesn't the word talk about how sins done against the body are even worse?

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Worse than, like, you have adultery and sexual sin, for the most part. Some sins are worse than others.

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Homosexuality is one of those sins that judgment is received right away. You're given over to it. But it doesn't mean that such people who commit those sins are irredeemable.

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God saves people. He saves people all the time. And what we have to do is just trust in what

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He's done. And you can be forgiven. Oh, okay. But what about, like, wouldn't that go against Calvinism, in a sense?

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No. When you talk about God so loved the world, like, every believing one, right? Yeah, it means all the one believing.

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That's what it means, John 3, 16. But you have to understand that we don't understand how it works.

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We don't understand how God chooses people, how He works with people, how He redeems people.

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We just don't know. And my interpretations of Scripture are mine. And I say to people, you know, semi -regularly, you know, you need to check and make sure that what

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I'm saying is correct with Scripture. I believe I'm right, but I also believe that I could be wrong.

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I don't put all my eggs in a five -point basket. So I say there are certainly things about Scriptures I cannot fathom.

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I think that Reformed theology answers more questions than any other theological perspective. That's my opinion.

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All right, so now what? Well, it means then that, you know, we know that God elects and God predestines, but we don't know the criteria of His election or His predestination.

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We don't know how it works that the more we pray, apparently the more people have been chosen by God for salvation.

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I don't know how that works. I just know it does. As my friend Bill McIver said, you know, we're in sales, not production.

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So our job is simply to just rely on Christ and to trust in Him and let all the other stuff be what belongs to God.

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Okay? Yeah. One thing real quick. So in Psalms, when

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David talks about God's enemies, so who would be under that category?

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Enemies? Well, I don't know. I just have to find out by reading which it is.

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You know, in Psalm 7, 5, let the enemy pursue my soul and overtake it and let them trample my life down, lay them in the dust.

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Psalm 8, to make the enemy and the revengeful cease. The enemy has come. But what about when

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Judas is carried? Didn't Jesus call him a devil?

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Yeah. In John 6, he referred to him as someone who would betray him, who was an unbeliever from the beginning.

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Okay? So that's what we know about that. So let me ask you. How come you're asking these questions?

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What's up? No, I'm just, I'm trying to, trying to, because I feel that, you know, doesn't, like, people can be possessed, right?

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People, but not Christians. Yeah. And those will be considered as God's enemies, right?

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I'm sorry, what, say that again? I mean, I'm saying, like, if a person who is possessed will be considered as an enemy of God, right?

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Well, um, there's a generic sense in which people, all people who are unbelievers are enemies of God in that they do not serve

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God, they serve themselves, and they are against the holiness and truth of God. So in that sense, yes.

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But people who are demon -possessed, you know, they're possessed, and they need prayer, and they need deliverance, they need repentance, they need trust in Christ.

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So, do you think that, do you think that, um, were the

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Pharisees Christians or possessed individuals? I can't say possessed or not, but they could have just been just hypocritical people.

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Not all Pharisees were, because some, we believe, came to Christ. Nicodemus did.

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So, you know, we can't give a particular universal statement about all of them, okay?

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Alright? So, what's going on? How come you're asking these questions?

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Just curious, because you're telling, you're delivering. That's alright. You seem to be contemplating something.

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So what's going on? Just my past, you know, because I had family members, you know, growing up in the

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Pentecostal, Pentecostal. Which Pentecostal was it? It was called, like, it was called

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New Testament Church. I mean, it was, it was a global church, so, like, you had, it, uh, it started in India.

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It started in India, and, uh, it had a lot of, like, a lot of, if you watch the video with, uh,

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Justin Peters. What does he say about it? Like, a lot of, you know, divine healing.

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Okay, well, hold on. What does Justin Peters say about it? Does he condemn them, or does he not? Oh, he was saying that, you know, they're charlatans, they're, you know.

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Right. Well, I know Justin. Yeah, I know Justin. He's a good guy, and so I'll trust his judgment on that.

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So here's what I'm thinking, is that you were exposed early, apparently, to a cult, and there's probably some, or there might be,

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I should say there might be some demonic attachments, and stuff in your families, and things like that, and that you've suffered from it, and you just need to trust in Christ, and work through that.

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It's doable. Are you there? I mean, alright, alright, thank you, thank you.

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Okay, there's, we can talk more if you want. There's nobody waiting. But, you know, I just want to make sure you're okay.

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Oh, he went. That's alright. Yeah, something else is going on there, and I'm not trying to psychoanalyze and all that kind of stuff, but, you know, something else is going on.

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So, that's okay. One thing at a time, a little bit at a time. Hopefully I didn't upset him with that idea of attachments.

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Let me kind of clarify what I mean by that. That we live in a spiritual world, as well as a physical one, and the spiritual world is very real.

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We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities. Ephesians 6. Alright, so, when family members are involved in false religions like Mormonism, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Christadelphianism, or Roman Catholicism, or Eastern Orthodoxy, that because they're not ultimately serving the true and living

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God, therefore, they are ultimately subservient to non -godly forces.

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Now, there's varying degrees that this can happen in varying groups. And so, sometimes people who are in them can give themselves over to these kinds of groups wholeheartedly.

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They will often be in a group like this, and one of the ways of recognizing their utter deceit, self -deceit, is when they bear witness of the church.

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The church is true. It's all about the church. Everything in the church. And this is obviously false, because Jesus never said to do that.

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He says, the Spirit bears witness of Him, not a church. And so, this is one of the preliminary signs.

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So anyway, I'm going to be careful how I say this stuff, because I don't want people to misconstrue it, because it's so easy to misconstrue what

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I say, as if, you know, your second cousin is a Mormon, or and the way you're national, whatever, or a

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Christian scientist, and therefore is praying for your salvation, and they're summoning demons on you, and therefore everything that you have happening around you is demonic.

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No, no, no, no, not like that. People often will run with the ball way too far. No, no, no.

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I'm just saying that we have to be careful, and we need to be in prayer, and we need to pray for those people who are lost in those false religions.

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And we need to lift them up. And sometimes, just by praying for them in the false religions, there are, well, you know, the spirits don't like that.

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You know, the spiritual side of things, on the bad side, they don't want you to pray. They can, you know, if God lets them, they can make your life a little bit uncomfortable.

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You get a flat tire for no reason, or you know, sometimes you just get more irritable.

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There's different things that happen. And so, you know, I'm being very generic here on purpose.

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So, what you have to do, what you have to do is wait for me after the break.

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Because there's the music. And if any of you have had experiences like this, or have questions about this kind of stuff, give me a call.

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And then we can talk some more about it. But I'm trying to be as generic as possible, while also helping people.

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So it's not easy to do. So may the Lord bless you, all right? Hey, be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned.

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It's Matt Slick Live! Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right everyone, welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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Now my voice is a little raspy. I've got a little bit of a chest cold, head cold kind of thing going on.

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It started last night. No big deal, but here we are. So we have nobody waiting right now.

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And feel free to give me a call. So the reason I'm talking about this kind of demonic stuff is it needs to be talked about.

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Before I was a Christian, I was involved in the occult. And I've seen things materialize.

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I've been physically touched. I mean, I've seen stuff. No drugs, no alcohol, no sleep deprivation, no medicines.

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I mean, in seances, in stuff, and seeing manifestations. And so, these things are real, not because I've experienced them, but because the

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Bible says they are. And I remember when I was involved in the occult, trying to contact the dead.

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Oh man, the foolishness. Trying to contact the dead, trying to contact the spiritual realm, astral projection, seeing auras, and things like that.

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I was directly involved with it. And now I'm delivered. And I remember, this is odd,

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I remember when I was in that, that things of darkness were appealing to me.

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Back in the 70's, it was black lights, and certain kinds of heavy metal, and certain kinds of music, and dress, and these things were appealing.

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And then when I got saved, it was instantly changed. And those things didn't appeal anymore.

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They were done. There is a connection with all of this stuff. But what we want to do is serve

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God. What we want to do is be Christians. So what do you do if you have family members, friends who say they're praying for you, and they're

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Mormons, and they're Jehovah's Witnesses, or Christian scientists, or whatever, and you know they're in a false religion.

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And they're praying. What they're ultimately doing is praying to their false God, and their false saviors, their false beliefs are guiding them.

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And they are, without knowing it, they are promoting and accessing demonic forces.

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And so this is why they're self -deceived, because they're not submitting to the Word of God. And they submit the

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Word of God to their feelings. And then they say their feelings are from God. And they do all this stuff, but they don't really listen to the

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Word of God. They say it's corrupted, or they're prophet, or prophetess, or their church, or their magisterium, whoever it is, has to properly interpret it.

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It's all the same thing. It's all the same thing. It's just a slight variation.

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So what do you do to defend yourself? You just pray. You don't have to worry about it.

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You don't have to lock your doors at night, and put garlic around the doorknob so the bad spirits don't come in, all that kind of nonsense.

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What you do is you just talk to the Lord Jesus. And you ask Jesus to be with you, and you give yourself to the

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Lord. And you ask Jesus to do your battles. And you trust in Him.

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It's as simple as that. It's not hard. You don't have to worry. I know a lot of people are emotionally needy in different areas.

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Emotionally vulnerable in different areas. And are unsure about a lot of things.

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A lot of people have been damaged through their history. And are unsure.

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And so when these kinds of topics come up, they sometimes occupy a less than healthy place in their worldview, their psyche, their emotional makeup.

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And let me just tell you what the scripture says. Just rely on Christ. Don't worry about those other things.

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Don't disregard them, but that's not your primary concern. Your primary concern is to follow

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Jesus, to love Jesus, to speak of Christ, and just trust Him. And ask

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Him to reveal to you anything that you might be doing that might not be right, and just repent of it.

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Turn to Him. And just move forward. And you go to church and you, if you need to, you talk to the elders of the church about it and they'll help you.

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And that's all. It's not that difficult. I don't want you to worry, and I don't want you to be preoccupied with this stuff.

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Alright. Let's get to Martin from Virginia. Martin, welcome. You are on the air. Hey, Matt.

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Thanks for taking my call. God bless your ministry. Thanks. So, I mean, you had me kind of going.

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I was laughing a little bit with the garlic around the doorknob. Everybody knows that garlic needs to be hung a little bit higher around the door if it's going to work.

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So, I got you for it. You made a point about, there was a time before you were saved.

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You know, if you do a timeline in your life, and you said that you were involved in some stuff. I think there was a call where you kind of correlated this.

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But going back, and maybe Charlie can help out with this, but I don't know if it was Numbers or Exodus where an angel of God had a sword.

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And I think it was Balaam or Balaam where the angel was hidden, but the ass was not.

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You know, the donkey or the ass was not. Yeah, yeah. So, that kind of correlates into this where in our physical realm we're blinded by so much.

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You know, we're physical human beings. And we're only, you know, if God allows us to see ourselves.

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Or the angel, which, you know, angels are messengers of God's word and God's will, to see them, and to work with them, and to carry

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God's message through. So, I thought that was kind of curious where the angel allowed the ass to see the angel, but not

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Balaam. I'm not sure if I'm saying that right or not. Yeah. in fact,

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I wrote an article not too long ago about that very thing. But yeah, God often allows animals to see things.

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Because he did right there, when we can't. But, you know, what we're telling you to do is trust

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Christ. Just rely on Christ all the time. That's what we're called to do. That's what we should be doing. Yeah, put

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Christ in your heart, and put Christ's words in your heart. And you had mentioned, I've been listening,

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I've been a caller for five, six years, and I think

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I might have asked you this before, but if you had to draw a timeline, right to left, and you delineated when you were saved and when you were not,

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I think I know the moment where you said that you knew you were saved, and it was a very powerful moment of tears, and it's not coming out.

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You know, you were very graphic. Yes, that's right. Wailing, agony, yep, everything.

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Uh -huh. So, what would happen to you if you did,

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I mean, if before you were saved, you know, the stuff that, I mean, you know,

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I was young too, and like you, I mean, we're almost the same age. We kind of grew up in the same area. Oh, okay.

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You know, I lived in the Van Halen. I watched, you know, the movies, and, you know, there's secular stuff that creeps into my mind, you know, in one ear, out the other, mostly, but it got in there, right?

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It affected me subconsciously in some ways, and it kind of formed some stuff, but I think when

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I was saved, I realized that, you know, holy cow, some of this stuff is not right. It's not good. I still like some of that music, but I understand it in a different, whole different view, different life.

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I know how it kind of impacted me, and I don't want to, you know, I'm not going to ever let that do that to me again, and I think with you, that same moment where you draw that line where you didn't know.

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I mean, I didn't know Jesus at that one point, but then I did, and I saw things totally different.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's pretty amazing. It is. And I mean,

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I'm not saying in a physical sense, but purely a spiritual sense that it affected the soul, and it affected my physical, you know, my living day -to -day.

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And granted, you know, I fail often, but I try to fail upwards, too, and I try to learn from these failures and do better every day.

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Oh, that's why I've learned so much, because of all those failures. It's a lot of failing. Yep. That's the best learning, right?

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As long as you're not... Yeah, as long as you're not just on auto -repeat or auto -cycle, as long as you're trying to sincerely grow.

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Right. True. Yeah, but I just want to offer that up, you know, that Balaam thing about...

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I just always found that fascinating, where the angel was hidden from Balaam's sight until he revealed himself.

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That's right, and that's how it is in the spiritual realm. There have been many cases in history outside of the

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Bible where people have been allowed to see things. The angelic realm will open up. There's plenty of places in the

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Bible where the same thing has occurred. I've read stories of tribes,

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I think they were in Africa, that were going to kill missionaries, and they stopped, because there were angels with swords around the missionaries.

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And these people just stopped, and later they became Christians. So there's things like this that have happened all over the world.

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This stuff's real. Yeah. Absolutely. That's interesting, and I think even in the Muslim world, where there's a lot of documented dreams and visions,

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I'm not going to call it visions, because I didn't see firsthand, but where people see Christ, and they see this change in their heart, where they're trying to come to Christianity.

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Yep. That's right. And there's visions and dreams that are happening in the

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Middle East. People are becoming Christians over there all over the place. It is absolutely happening.

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Absolutely. Yep. Absolutely. All right,

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Matt. Thanks again, Matt, and stay safe, and don't go to any of these woke campuses.

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Try to keep yourself warm. I'd love to, actually. Debate them. But they don't debate.

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They're irrational. No, they don't. I saw some interviews, and I thought, oh, my goodness.

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How can I just feel bad for some of the semi -educated kids.

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And even the professors and the teachers, they're not teachers, they're not educators, they're not professionals, they're not professors.

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They're just kind of older children that have tenure. That's about it. Well, if you were to do a study on the goals of the

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Communist Party, 45 goals of the Communist Party, I've got an article on it on CARM, and also on YouTube, there's a

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KGB interview with a guy back in the 80s, and he describes what's going on and how the schools are one of the areas that need to be taken over, and they're obviously taken over.

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We're going to lose our country. It's going to fall. And just to really throw water on the fire, or no, not to be cast into the fire,

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I've been following this one particular article or topic for a while, and that China has infiltrated the infrastructure in America on the

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Internet, and they're waiting for the right time to pull the trigger and cause major, major economic collapse or problems, whatever, in the

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Americas here. Yeah, yeah. That's basically why they're against TikTok being sold off.

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They really don't want that. Right. Yeah, and so we have people who don't serve

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God, and they're going to sell our country down the river for money.

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It's happening. Yep, it absolutely is. Yeah, true. They need to be taken out.

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I'll try and vote them out. All right, buddy, gotta go. There's the music. Mona from Ohio, call back tomorrow and we'll talk about the

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Trump Bible. It'll be interesting. Hey, folks, if you want, you have to wait till tomorrow to give me a call. May the Lord bless you.

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Have a great evening, and we'll talk to you tomorrow, by God's grace. Bye. Another program powered by The Truth Network.