Justin Peters Exposes False Prophets and Teachers

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May 13, 2021

Join us as Pastor Justin talks with Evangelist Justin Peters about exposing the false teachers and false prophets. Justin Peters will be explaining how we as Christians can discern the true from the false from his TRUTH MATTERS conference.

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03:50: I'm gonna pull him up. Hey brother There he is. This is Justin Peters. Hey, Justin, how's it going?
03:56: I want I mean, he's not gonna say it but I'm gonna say it Justin is a dear brother a dear friend and and he is a great
04:07: Friend to the body of Christ and I want to encourage you that if you can go to Justin Peters org
04:15: Listen to the material he has you can go on YouTube. Am I right Justin? You can go on YouTube and get a lot of the teachings
04:24: Mm -hmm. Yeah, but one thing that one thing that has For me been a blessing is to find out
04:34: I Hate to say it this way to find out where all the wolves and false teachers are hiding within the body of Christ I Didn't know there were so many until I started studying
04:46: You know just looking at discernment and looking what the body of Christ needs to know About those hirelings, you know,
04:53: Jesus talks about the hirelings. So You do a great job with that brother and I really really appreciate your ministry and your work
05:02: Thank You Justin, I appreciate it brother. I really do and Yeah, I tell people often that I wish my seminar was not necessary clouds without water
05:11: I would love for There to be no need to warn about false teachers but The Bible is full of warnings about them 26 of the 27 books in the
05:24: New Testament do so it's a reality, but I wish it wasn't necessary But thank you.
05:31: Yeah. Yeah, you know, I agree with you. We want to we want to be discerning about it our discernment
05:38: You said in the conference that if we're not careful and we can become so filled with the discernment ministry that we look at everything as an enemy and Everyone is an enemy, but we also want to make sure that That when we do spot those wolves and enemies that we can call them out and warn people against them.
06:04: Yeah Yep, absolutely. Absolutely. It's a you know, sometimes people will accuse me
06:10: Oh, all you do is criticize other people criticize other Christian ministers. Well, I would
06:17: Highly debate the point that they're Christian false teachers by definition or not
06:22: Christian but Paul tells us in Titus chapter 1 verse 9 teach sound doctrine and refute those who contradict it's not an either or it's a both and and I try to do both in my ministry a lot of people think that They say oh all you ever do is criticize other ministers, but you go to my youtube channel
06:45: In fact, I counted it up the other day I think only 20 % of the videos that I have on my youtube channel deal with false teachers
06:51: So 80 % of them actually don't but I don't know people see what they want to see
06:58: Yeah, well, you know and you get labeled, you know, how are good or bad you get labeled for for the work you do and you know, like I said, if even if it's good or bad in the sight of other either
07:14: Christians or nominal Christians or false converts I'll have to say this we give an account to the
07:20: Lord Jesus Christ And we want to make sure that that our ministries whatever it may be our ministries
07:26: Are to exalt Christ and lift up his name and for the edification of the body of Christ Yeah, so I think that's
07:35: That's one reason I was asking you if we could actually go through this discussion on the truth matters and talk about this because In my community in our community we have
07:49: Radio stations and I told you earlier we have radio stations that are Steeped in Bethel and Hillsong and elevation worship music they are you know, just it just run rampant and Some people would tell me it's no big deal
08:08: You know, it reminds me of the the the yoga is no big deal Crowd where that where they say we can do this and it's not that big of a deal
08:18: You know, maybe you want to weigh in on those things too, but I Just need everywhere
08:25: Yeah. Oh Yeah, there it yeah pragmatism right pragmatism is the rule of the day
08:32: Yeah, Christian yoga, that's a contradiction in terms or they're mutually exclusive worldviews, there's no such thing as Christian yoga kind of like Christian science, there's
08:43: Christian science is not Christian. It's not scientific you can't You know, Mary Baker Eddie was off the deep end and Christian yoga is the same way.
08:52: You're you're bringing in mysticism Eastern mysticism and trying to cloak it in some
08:58: Christian lingo some Christian terminology Christian ease Dress it up as Christian, but you're just you know, you know you
09:07: Putting lipstick on a pig. That's that's Still a pig, you know Christian yoga.
09:13: It's it's Eastern mysticism with a little bit of Christian lipstick on it if you will, but it's
09:20: There's a pig underneath that lipstick so you can't mix those two. Well, I wish you'd say how you mean
09:29: What's that I said, I wish you'd say it like you mean it. Oh, yeah I know I should probably quit beating around the bush.
09:35: By the way, I commend you on your new your new digs there It looks like you're out of your cell For now for now,
09:42: I'm About to start working on on the shelving. So so we you know,
09:48: I got moved over to the good side So, okay, it looks nice Yeah, well now we've had this up for a while.
09:55: It's been it's been a long time going so Okay, yeah, well it's it's
10:03: It's it's a work in progress. You know how it goes Okay, and that never ends well if you if you want to we get started
10:10: I Pulled up the PowerPoint. Like I said, and if you would like to we can get started and kind of talk about these things
10:19: Let me pull off the the banner here so it doesn't get in the way Let's see,
10:26: I think we'll be okay with the rest of it like it is so I'll just let you go ahead and get started brother.
10:33: We'll we'll go there from there. This is this is your presentation So I'm oh, you know may throw in every once in a while if you're okay with that So, oh, yeah, absolutely.
10:44: Yeah, and you've got the controls there so I can't really That's fine So you just you just tell me when to move and I'll move so Okay.
10:55: All right. Yeah so Yes, but this is the presentation that I did it matters conference a couple years ago 2019 and basically talked about how how to know the voice of God and and Evangelical ism is just absolutely
11:13: Saturated with the belief that God still speaks to us today like he did to the
11:21: Saints of the Bible like he did to the Old Testament folks and New Testament folks and The prophets and he still still speaks us today in the same way
11:30: That we should be hearing God in a still small voice and you hear people say all the time Oh, well,
11:36: God spoke to me and said such -and -such God told me this God told me that God told me our church needs to go this direction.
11:43: And so it is so Woven into the warp and woof of evangelicalism
11:49: So I mean almost, you know, it's only accepted. I mean, it's it's rarely ever challenged
11:57: And in people begin to think that this is just part of the normative Christian life that you should be hearing
12:03: God speak to you and so one of two things happens you either begin to Fabricate in your own mind
12:15: You think you're hearing God when you're really not And so you kind of manufacture
12:20: God's voice if you will you manufacture it on your own inside your head And you think that that is
12:27: God speaking to you or you realize, you know, I'm really not hearing any voices I don't hear anything.
12:34: And so there must be something wrong with me All these other people claim to hear God speak to them so clearly
12:41: They can even quote him exactly what he says and but I don't hear God talk to me like that So there must be something wrong with me.
12:49: There's something wrong with my walk with the Lord. There's something, you know Maybe I'm not even saved. And so It is
12:56: I would say it's one of them one of the more dangerous teachings out there Today in the evangelical world.
13:04: And so that's what this presentation deals with You know how to hear the voice of God we look at some of the arguments that people make some of the verses they use to support it and Dismantle it
13:16: Good. Yeah One thing you have in here is you have the defining your terms, which
13:23: I think is very useful I think that's you know, when you're talking about that, you know, we're talking about hearing from the voice of God I mean
13:31: I hear hear people say it all the time. You know, God spoke to me and he told me or he said this Brother I think this is something that's very powerful that we need to Dispel, you know, how does
13:43: God speak to us? You know, how does God speak to us today? is it is it through a still small voice or is it through a
13:52: Like you were talking about Rick Warren all these other guys are saying, you know, you hear
13:58: Jesus speak to you hear God speaking to you so Yeah Yeah, and I think
14:05: I can see yeah, you've got the slides there So a couple of terms here, you can go ahead and put those up.
14:11: Yes, sir And I can't I can't I can't see my presentation. I don't know what slide I have a general idea.
14:17: What's next but not exactly Yeah, you got revelation illumination so revelation refers to God revealing new information that Up until the point of the revelation has been previously hidden.
14:32: So God revealing something new and You hear people say all the time. Oh, well,
14:37: I got revelation on this God gave me revelation Well, no, he didn't because God is not revealing anything new today
14:44: That needs revealing nothing new that is not already recorded in Scripture So revelation is not happening
14:50: But what might be happening is Illumination and that refers to the enabling work of the
14:57: Holy Spirit in the in our lives as believers To understand and appropriate in other words to obey the truths that are already recorded in Scripture and all of us as believers we can give testimony to Various times in our lives.
15:13: We've been reading the Bible. Maybe it's a verse that we've read many many times before We've heard it read we've read it ourselves
15:18: But then all sudden it clicks right the the proverbial light bulb, you know appears over our heads like oh
15:27: That's what that means. That's that now I get it That's that's illumination and and that should be happening in our lives as believers.
15:35: So Illumination yes revelation. No. Yeah well, the
15:43: The next slide you had here is on pietism talking about the the three the three luminaries of the
15:51: Phillips Spiner August Frank I think yeah,
15:58: I can't pronounce the name Yeah, Frank and Count Nicholas von Zinzendorf So yeah, this is a pietism
16:05: This is kind of where the whole notion of God speaking outside of Scripture began and this is oversimplification
16:11: But but pietism was a reaction to what was perceived at least to be overly intellectualized response
16:23: Coming out of the Protestant Reformation It's like some people believe that that that pendulum swung a little bit too far and their theology got kind of cold and heady and so pietism was a try an effort to kind of correct that pendulum swing some and slowly, but surely in these men
16:44: Spinner Frank and Zinzendorf Are in chronological order here so Spinner's error
16:52: He began to deviate just a little bit from the sufficiency of Scripture nothing heretical or anything but August Frank did a little more he went further than Spinner did and he kind of developed a theology of That's much more heavily relied on emotions and feelings and Then when you get to count
17:14: Nicholas von Zinzendorf, he created something called a theology of the heart and he emphasized in many respects feelings and emotions and experiences above that of the authority of Scripture and so Error, excuse me error always begets more error
17:32: You know error starts small but left unchecked it it snowballs and that's what that's what you had there with pietism it snowballed and and that was kind of the genesis of the whole theology of God speaking outside of Scripture and of course today it's
17:50: I mean, it's full -blown you you know The Word of Faith movements charismatic movement. That's that's the defining
17:57: A distinctive of that entire movement that God speaks outside of Scripture and in even many the vast majority of non -charismatic
18:09: Evangelical Southern Baptists, you know, at least theoretically on paper Southern Baptists are not charismatic
18:15: But they have adopted a charismatic theology when it comes to the sufficiency of Scripture they in other words, they reject it and What you're seeing today in the
18:26: Southern Baptist denomination is a denomination that has at least theoretically affirmed inerrancy, but it said nothing about sufficiency
18:37: And still hasn't In fact, they're going the opposite direction. They're going the wrong direction on sufficiency of Scripture But it's almost all
18:45: Southern Baptists believe Yeah, God speaks to us and still small voices and hunches and impressions and that kind of thing
18:51: Well, that's that's some that can be traced back to pietism And it's just a bit softer version of what you would see with Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland.
19:00: It's the same basic error it's just Packaged differently and not not quite as extreme, but it's a still it's the same basic problem
19:10: Would you say that that it can be day it is dangerous or it could be dangerous to?
19:17: to rely upon the impressions of your heart and Try to compare that to God speaking to you, would you say that it is
19:27: Heretical or is it just a bad thing to do? It's a bad thing to do that could
19:35: Lead you to heresy I mean what what
19:41: Jeremiah says about the heart Deceitfully wicked above all things, you know desperately wicked deceitful above all things who can know it
19:48: I wouldn't be relying real heavily on my heart So no
19:55: No, we can't we can't base our theology off of our feelings and emotions No, so it's yeah and left unchecked absolutely it can lead you straight into heresy
20:08: Absolutely, yeah, I would agree with that completely the You have the next thing you have your own divine revelation knowledge
20:20: Essek W Kenyon, I think that was amazing as you talked about that last the two types of knowledge
20:28: Yeah, yeah Kenyon believed in two different times. He was the grandfather of the word of faith movement and he believed in two different types of knowledge sensory knowledge that which we get through our five senses sight sound taste smell touch and But the others revelation knowledge and this is supernatural knowledge that comes from the heart only from God but to according to Kenyon these two spheres of knowledge are mutually exclusive and what that means is
20:57: Practical application where the rubber hits the road for this is that if you want to go Deep with God if you want to get to the deep secret hidden things of God, you've got to disengage your mind
21:07: Put your intellect in neutral Because the mind is the enemy
21:13: According to him in this school of thought is the enemy of intimacy so that you have these dueling mutually exclusive fear spheres and so Logical thought is of no value if you want to go deep with God and Yeah, and but that's completely contrary to scripture.
21:33: That's that is a warmed over version Justin of Gnosticism I was gonna ask you.
21:39: Yeah Well, and and the reason that that it would concern me is I mean that opens up the whole you know
21:48: You know, you're hearing that still small voice. You're hearing the the messages of God through you know immersion prayers and what like team to look to like teal divina
22:03: What is the prayer labyrinths prayer walking All of those things that I mean
22:12: I'm seeing out not only in in Bethel culture, but in the vast majority of what calls itself you know
22:22: Baptist or non -denominational Christian in our area We have so many that are doing that Mm -hmm.
22:31: Oh, yeah, like teal divina this is kind of like a Roman Catholic practice and when you you empty your mind and then
22:38: God will speak to you and Famously or rather infamously,
22:43: I guess it's been I want to say six seven years ago John Piper Yeah, did lectio divina up on the platform at?
22:54: What conference was that was that that was a passion conference, yeah 50 ,000
23:00: Yeah youth come in and refuse to allow leaders from the churches to come in with discernment to They refuse to allow them to come in because they wanted these children who have no discernment to come in and be taught by Beth Moore and Lecrae and all these others.
23:20: Yeah, what's his name? Louie Giglio telling you about if you didn't if you didn't hear from Jesus a
23:28: Asking did Jesus speak to you personally today? And if you didn't hear you might want to check and see if you're saved type type things like that That that is in our churches in our communities today, oh, yeah.
23:42: Yep sure is Yeah, it was John Piper Beth Moore and Louie Giglio up on stage leading people and you can go on YouTube and see this they're up there standing there and Yeah, they just try to empty their minds and they encourage everybody else in the audience to empty their minds
24:01: Yeah to hear from God that is 180 degrees
24:07: Antithetical to scripture. We're not to empty our minds. In fact Colossians has let the
24:14: Word of Christ dwell richly within you Of First and foremost your mind that I mean that's where the
24:22: Word of Christ dwells. It's in our mind. It's in our intellect. So yeah, it's it's a pagan practice and it's a
24:31: Shocking and really sad Lack of discernment on the I mean you expect it from Beth Moore You expect it from Louie Giglio John Piper.
24:41: That was that was really disheartening to see Well, I think what troubles me is is that he said he wanted that because the scripture wasn't he loved the scripture but it wasn't enough he wanted more and He's been doing this for more than just a year or two that's been 15 -18 years now
24:59: He's been bringing people in with false teachers and lest anyone forget and get as mad as they want to but he was the one that brought in Rick Warren into our into our our
25:09: Realm of Baptist thought and thought he was defending him and Matt Chandler and all these others
25:17: David Platt all these men have been defended by him and promoted by him and You know, everybody get as mad as they want and throw stones all they want but Rick Warren just inaugurated three female pastors into the
25:32: SBC a few days ago and That should be against the convention rules which should cause him to be his church to either be censured or Well, not censured.
25:45: It should actually according to convention rules He should be that church should be excommunicated because they've violated the standards of scripture should be
25:53: Should be it's not gonna happen. Nope. It's not gonna happen. Nope There's going to be a downgrade of compromise
26:00: That's going to keep coming because like you just said when we start with Essex W Kenyon and we start falling down that that hill it goes from a tiny rolling
26:14: Ball of snow to a giant boulder of snow and it won't stop. Yep. That's right left unchecked
26:22: When you start ordaining women when you go down that egalitarian path Every denomination that has done that has slid right into full -blown theological liberalism
26:34: Look at the United Methodist Church today that denomination. They are now ordaining not just accepting homosexuals as members ordaining them
26:44: Where did that start it didn't start there it started with them ordaining women and So once you start down that slope, that is a slippery slope.
26:55: It's greased and And I guarantee you mark my words
27:01: Go back and watch this video ten years from now Left unchecked
27:06: Saddleback will be fully embracing homosexuals as members in their church My guess is it probably already got them but but they'll be doing it officially
27:17: Mark my words You know think about it. Yeah, Andy Stanley who's got
27:23: Had or has active homosexuals in in their ministry and as long as they are
27:30: I Don't know what their deal was as long as they're not practicing adultery and they can be homosexual and I don't remember the whole deal but You know, they're
27:39: SPC, you know, we have it happening constantly and You know, all you hear is, you know, you're just being too hardcore to to To vitriolic
27:53: You know, you you shouldn't be judging these brothers. They're too they're too big for you to be commenting about you know
28:02: I've gotten that Yeah, too big. Yeah No, we're there's only one person that we will have to give an account to one day
28:12: And what is I'm gonna stand for a nomination and give an account? I'm not gonna stand before the SPC or the
28:18: UPC or any other I'm not gonna stand before a board or a committee or a seminary I Want to stand before Christ and I'm to give an account to him.
28:27: So Yeah, the SPC is it's in a deep deep doctrinal drift
28:35: Do you remember a couple years back? They wanted some lady? I can't remember. What was her name? They wanted this lady to be the president and more
28:43: Oh Yeah, I pulled up her screenshot. I mean her on your
28:50: PowerPoint of her two books I don't know if you can see that or not Yeah Maybe you want to comment on on this
29:01: Yeah, so this is a the first one there Beth Moore praying God's Word She says on page two what little
29:09: I know I want others to know before God tells me a secret He knows up front.
29:14: I'm going to tell it now Stop right there that if God knows you're gonna tell it.
29:21: Why is it? How is how is it a secret? I mean, I don't even make any sense But and then she says by and large that's our deal.
29:29: So you see Beth Moore and Yahweh have their own little Special little deal going on between the two of them their own little thing that they're you know
29:40: And so Beth Moore's got a closer Relationship with God than do any of us.
29:45: They got their own little secret deal. That's Gnosticism That is a warmed over version of Gnosticism and then
29:54: Next her next book there. I don't know about her next book chronologically, but on my slide when godly people do ungodly things
30:03: Ironically this book is subtitled arming yourself in the age of seduction That's a very ironic
30:11: Yeah, right. I know She said I heard the voice of God speak to my heart come and play
30:17: I love that. He said come not go come that meant he was already there I also love how
30:23: I could tell by the sweet tone of his silent voice. I don't even make any sense. I Don't even know what that means and if if a voice is somehow silent, how does it have a tone to it?
30:37: I've got a tone to it. Yeah much less a sweet tone. I Just I don't know that's like That's like saying there's a round circle.
30:48: I mean around square Around square. Yeah, I mean anyway, but she said
30:54: I could tell by the sweet tone of a silent voice that he was smiling and I just gotta say ooh
31:01: You know, I mean I Could have outlined his expression with my finger
31:08: You talk about creepy This is very What does that mean
31:14: I don't I don't understand what she's trying to say because it It's almost romantic yes
31:22: Maybe I'm looking into it too far, but it sounds wrong. Oh, no, you're not you're not looking at it, too
31:29: No, no, it is romantic. In fact Push the down arrow key again.
31:34: There's a second little part to this paragraph. Okay? Yeah, she says I built a snowman.
31:40: I laughed with God. He laughed with me. I am so in love with him I am so in love with him
31:46: You know what? What? The lady that did Jesus calling.
31:53: Yeah in her original preface to her book She talks about walking in the snow and Jesus was actually talking to her like Telling her what she was gonna do and yeah all the stuff
32:08: Yep, Sarah young. Mm -hmm. Okay. Yep. She was walking in the snow up in the mountains one night and Had this mystical
32:17: Romantic kind of experience, you know with Jesus and that was yeah and from that we have
32:23: Jesus calling so In fact On the same page here and I just couldn't fit it on the slide but on the same page
32:32: Beth Moore actually calls this Experience there's a relationship that she has with Jesus and Everlasting or eternal can't remember which word she uses but I think it's our last romance.
32:46: She actually calls it a romance Um What why don't why don't people read that and have a problem
32:54: I mean good question Let me say I don't say that nobody does but why wouldn't more people to the point where what people would?
33:02: Call it out and say this is blasphemy. Yeah Way to say it that the
33:09: Bible doesn't say ever say any of that that Jesus is my boyfriend God is my boyfriend nonsense
33:16: I've never seen it. I've never read it anywhere. No No, it's not and see
33:22: Justin I think what a lot of this is is that you see a lot of these female
33:27: Bible teachers these popular female Bible teachers they have a very romanticized view of Christ many of them
33:38: Don't have a true A Godly husband their husbands are not the spiritual leaders in their home and Beth Moore would be exhibit a on this and I'm not gossiping here because Beth Moore Openly says this that her husband
33:55: Keith doesn't care about doctrine and theology, it's just He doesn't care.
34:01: He was he was raised Catholic and I From what I can tell I mean
34:06: Beth Moore will openly say my man Referring to Keith is is not much one for not much of not not one much for studying the
34:16: Bible She said that recently in fact very recently just a few days ago. She talked about Keith Cussing a blue streak, you know, so and I'm like All right.
34:28: I'm not gonna condemn the guy. I mean whatever is behind his foul language That's between him and the
34:33: Lord, but but you're gonna just talk about that about your husband publicly, I mean that's um, that is so off -putting but Anyway, but he's not the spiritual leader at all and my guess is
34:50: From what Beth Moore has said of him My guess is he's not converted.
34:56: And so with the lack of a spiritual leader in the home Then Jesus becomes their surrogate
35:05: Husband Very you see what I'm saying? Yeah, he becomes their surrogate husband
35:12: And you read most women's
35:17: Bible studies Yeah, Joyce Meyer Beth Moore Christine Kane or whatever Priscilla Shire it's a very romanticized view of Jesus and So it's very unhealthy
35:29: Would you say that? Since they are not hearing their husbands
35:37: Speak the of the things of God that they are Portraying that God himself is speaking the things to them personally.
35:48: Mm -hmm Yeah, yeah, they see in Jesus what what they wish they had in their husbands, but don't
35:55: Yeah, I Have to agree with that. I think that's exactly what you're saying is right on the money.
36:01: It's you know, I mean But for what purpose would with the Bible, you know
36:06: You made a statement at the conference that that I think is everybody needs to examine this, you know
36:11: That Bible those 66 books Have you so perfectly?
36:18: Mastered it that you need more of God speaking than what he's written down in his word
36:24: That's right, I think that is An incredibly convicting and powerful lesson
36:36: Because if the Bible is clear and concise on what it says and we're not even willing to submit to it, you know
36:43: Then then what makes us think that any one of us has a right to even speak about it to proclaim
36:50: Its truths when we won't submit to it. Yeah, that's exactly right That's exactly right
36:55: You know people say I need something more that they won't deny the Bible is the
37:00: Word of God at least not in our circles They won't outright deny that they'll say yes. Yeah, the Bible is the
37:06: Word of God. It's God's revelation to us but there's more I need something more and How is that?
37:13: I mean Have you mastered the Bible? Have you squeezed every drop of truth?
37:20: There is to be squeezed out of the pages of Scripture from Genesis 1 1 to Revelation 22 21
37:26: You have mastered it all from cover to cover If the answer that question is no and it is because none of us has done that then don't tell me you need something more
37:38: Yeah, you don't even understand what you have in black and white right in front of you Don't don't tell me you need something more, but that's that's at the root of this.
37:47: It's a lack of contentment With the scriptures Not denying them, but just not content with them
37:57: They're not sufficient Yeah, and that's where the battle is today it's not so much over inerrancy at least not theoretically over efficiency
38:11: I'm gonna pull up the next slides that have the videos Let me know if you can hear it and I'll ask
38:20: John in the back if if you hear it fine If not, send me a text message and let me know there's a problem
38:42: Very few things are more important than this because you can't have a relationship to God if you can't hear
38:52: God If all you do is ever talk to him in prayer and you never hear
38:58: God speak to you that's a one -way Relationship that isn't much of a relationship
39:05: Who was that Yeah, that's Rick Warren. This is Saddleback guy pastor of Saddleback Church author purpose -driven life next to the
39:14: Bible the best -selling book of all time shockingly And Rick Warren says if you never hear
39:21: God speak back to you then that's not much of a relationship So if you're not hearing
39:27: God speak to you, then you're just you don't have much of a relationship with God So so apparently hearing from God that there's these are high stakes
39:36: I mean you you've got to get this right because if you don't hear from God you're in trouble
39:43: What well, I mean So if I don't hear from God and God's not actually speaking to me audibly is
39:51: It reasonable to maybe assume that he's either on a higher level of Christianity that I am or that I may not be saved at all
39:58: Exactly. What are the conclusion? Can you come to I mean if so Rick Warren apparently hears
40:04: God speak to him regularly But you don't and I don't and so Rick Warren I Mean if what he is saying is true, then he's got a far better deeper more intimate relationship with God than do you and I Justin and Quite possibly you and I are not even safe We're just so deceived because if we were truly saved then we should be hearing the voice of God Well, he's the only one that says that though, right?
40:33: Oh Yeah, yeah, Rick Warren. He's a real outlier Yeah Hi, I'm Priscilla Shire And I'm hoping that you'll join me for a six -week journey as we talk about how we can hear and discern
40:44: The voice of God in our lives Do you really expect and anticipate that the divine voice of God can be heard by that?
40:55: He loved you enough to die for you, but doesn't love you enough to then talk to you Before we go any further
41:04: Justin I'm gonna ask you to expound on this because I have people in our community that Have Priscilla Shire come to her their church
41:13: They have these types of people she brings in people that to come to church. They have conferences
41:18: They tell you know, Rick Warren's got a satellite type church up the road What's the danger in listening to this type of Message.
41:32: Oh my goodness. There's there's so many it makes you doubt your Walk with God could make you doubt your salvation and it
41:41: Divorces you from your reliance upon Scripture. So What we really need to be doing is cultivating this
41:50: Mystical relationship with God where we hear from him rather than spending time in his word
41:56: Rather than rightly dividing the word of truth rather rather than studying to show ourselves to prove ourselves approved unto
42:03: God No cultivating this mystical kind of you know, just I mean like like yoga really you just kind of You close your eyes and you you just empty your mind and try to hear this
42:16: Lectio Divina Let you know try to hear the voice of God and and so anything that diverts your attention
42:24: Away from the Word of God is not the work of the author of the Word of God This is a doctrine that is not coming from God because it diverts your attention away from Scripture So whatever the source of it is it ain't
42:40: God It ain't God it there it there may be a spirit that's at the source of it, but it is not the
42:47: Holy Spirit So it's profoundly and what an insult to Scripture by the way when she says do you think though?
42:55: Do you think God really loved you enough to die for you, but does not love you enough to then talk to you
43:00: What an insult to Scripture. What does she think the Bible is? So great.
43:06: Yeah, God does talk to me in these 66 canonical books that I have bound right in front of me
43:12: That's where he talks to me Well, but do you think that she means God talking in the
43:17: Word of God or do you think that she's talking about you know that that God told me this God told me that type thing.
43:24: That's what she's talking about. Yeah, she's written a whole book on it In fact, I think she's written two books on it. So yeah, that's what she's not talking about the scriptures
43:32: So yeah, so these are only two I mean we wouldn't say like Muhammad he didn't hear that Joseph Smith he didn't have a special Revelation from from God or anything like that.
43:44: I mean not not something like Like this, right? I mean This is unique.
43:52: Oh Yeah. Yeah, this is unique. Yeah, it's no it's That's it's funny. You should mention
43:57: Joseph Smith and Muhammad because that's what they all have in common In fact this might be getting a little tangential here, but when you read the
44:09: Stories of Joseph Smith and Muhammad both of these men had this entity this thing appeared to them and give them new revelation and Initially, both of these men were scared of it.
44:24: They thought that it was malevolent. It was an evil spirit Being that appeared to them but over time they became convinced.
44:32: No, this really is of God and so and they so they acquiesce to it
44:37: And so now you've got two huge false religions Mormonism in Islam That were begun in almost identical ways there are some striking parallels between Joseph Smith and Muhammad and I can't prove this one way or the other it's just kind of my own it's my
44:57: Sanctified speculation. It's just my educated guess Yeah, I would not at all be surprised one day when we get to heaven find out that It was the very same demon that appeared to both
45:10: Joseph Smith and Muhammad Because the parallels are just eerie and and obviously these men didn't know each other, you know, they were separated by what?
45:21: 1400 years or something 1600 probably 1600 years. Yeah 1600 years.
45:26: So They obviously didn't know each other but there were Eerie parallels and I would not be surprised if it was the same demon.
45:35: Amen. Amen. Well now we're gonna touch on somebody's favorite Topic here in just a second.
45:40: So if if we if we Singe their feet, that's fine. It's good to know
45:47: Let's go ahead. So you're are you asking if God speaks specifically and the answer is yes, he does
45:53: Let me give you two or three examples Speaking about buying groceries on a particular day
45:58: I had a very short period of time and so I wanted to buy a turkey for Thanksgiving My time was really running out.
46:06: I thought well, I shouldn't do this now. I said God just show me what to do It's like God said go to this store by the turkey now
46:13: Against sort of my will I went I walked right in Straight to the right place the right pound of turkey walk right out paid and got back in the car in Less than about 25 minutes.
46:25: Did God tell me to go? Yes, he did I'm sorry.
46:32: I don't mean to laugh because it's not that funny because when you think about how many people are How many people get sucked into this oh, yeah
46:40: I have close friends of mine that have have had their pastors former pastors that have you know talked about this
46:50: I heard Jesus I heard God if you're true Christian, you'll hear God more to the point where now they start having dreams and they have visions and they have
47:00: All of these things and that's what I heard Charles Stanley just say God told me to drive to the store
47:07: To go in against my will I went I know where it's God drugged me
47:13: Yep Took me down show me the right turkey with the right poundage
47:18: To buy for Thanksgiving dinner I think
47:23: John MacArthur says that yeah the the guy that Was praying for the the parking spot.
47:29: He missed out because you you got your victory there right Right, and and you know, this is
47:36: Charles Stanley. This is mr. SBC He's a former president of the Southern Baptist Convention, and I I can't tell you how many people
47:43: I mean there are Hordes of people who would readily recognize that Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn are false prophets, you know, yeah
47:51: No, clearly they are but they love Charles Stanley and It's the same basic error though both
48:00: Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland and Charles Stanley claim that God speaks to them regularly out of Scripture, so we're we're talking about the same fundamental problem here.
48:09: It's just a difference of degrees maybe but I tell you what It's not much of a difference of degrees because that's that's pretty intimate
48:17: I mean if your relationship with God is so intimate that he tells you where to go get your
48:23: Thanksgiving Day turkey. I Mean, he must God must be talking to him all the time tells him where to go get his turkey
48:30: I don't the God never tells me where to get my turkey and if God has never told you where to get your turkey, then you must not have as close a walk with God as does
48:39: Charles Stanley and and Justin I I'm gonna say something and I'll say it because it's a smaller venue here.
48:48: I've been really reluctant to say it in large venues but and I take Please understand.
48:54: I take no joy at all and what I'm about to say. I State this only to make a point
49:03: Charles Stanley is divorced. Yes. Okay. He's divorced and Should be biblically disqualified from even being in the pastorate so How is it that God tells him where to get his
49:22: Thanksgiving Day turkey? But did not apparently tell him how to save his marriage.
49:28: I Was gonna say the exact same thing You know, I that's my concern there is
49:36: He can tell you something, you know so much for human responsibility He can tell you something as trivial as where to get a turkey and don't get me wrong
49:44: We should go to the Lord with everything. That's what we are to do trusting the Lord in all things
49:52: But to just take it and what he was saying and He's got such a relationship with God that God will talk to him about his
50:02: Thanksgiving Day turkey And what kind of dressing he should have and how many people he should invite this that and the other
50:09: But he doesn't tell him how to deal with his marriage problems, right? and the fact that I'd say this but the the fact that he has a son who is leading people away from the
50:24: Word of God away from the Scripture the sufficiency of Scripture and who is
50:31: Leading people into hell telling people they're just fine as they are Yep, that's right.
50:38: That's right and You know this So it shows you how widespread this belief is and and and how quickly it breaks down logically, you know
50:49: I take no joy that Charles Stanley is divorced. I think it's terrible, but it shows you how
50:55: How meaningless and how vacuous This theology is
51:01: I mean if who cares if God told him where to go get his turkey If God didn't tell him how to save his marriage, so it's just it just this breaks down so fast
51:13: Yeah Well, and you know you think about it. It's it's not about Trying to be vicious against, you know,
51:21: Priscilla Schreier Rick Warren or anyone else It's about telling people that are going to listen that will hopefully listen that we got to be careful that even people that we think might be
51:31: Solid they can leave they can they can fall into these stray patterns, you know
51:36: If you notice neither one of us said that Charles Stanley was a hairtail You know, but this is false
51:44: It is and it's wrong and it's bad and it's going to hurt people.
51:49: So we got to be we got to be We got to be strong and stay the course and call a spade a spade and tell the truth as it is
52:01: Absolutely, you had this thing from Sam Storms here that I Think was incredible because the note you had on here tells us there's a forward by Matt Chandler.
52:13: Yeah Yeah That's right Sam Storms for those who may not know who he is
52:19: Sam Storms would agree with us Justin on Soteriology, he has a high view of the sovereignty of God doctrines of grace
52:28: Calvinism to use that term But he's a charismatic he believes in the continuance of the apostolic gifts the sign gifts
52:36: And so he says to be the recipient of prophetic revelation from God whether in dreams impressions trances
52:43: Visions or words of knowledge and words of wisdom can be nothing short of euphoric the experience brings feelings of nearness to God and a heightened sense of spiritual intimacy that isn't often the case with the other of the
52:56: Charismatic care the the spiritual gifts in other words He's saying if you get dreams if you get visions trances even from God, you know these kinds of charismatic gifts
53:09: They're on a higher level than the gifts of teaching administration mercy
53:17: These are legitimate spiritual gifts and he is demeaning Diminishing those gifts.
53:24: So if you have if you have dreams and visions, then you have a closer more intimate relationship with God euphoric even
53:34: That is just not the case if you have the gift of administration or if you have the gift of mercy, or if you have the gift of teaching that that's
53:42: I mean, it's What's okay, but it's not nothing special nothing to write home about Getting dreams and visions from God that that is as a
53:52: Gnosticism again The very first part of that he says to be the recipient of prophetic revelation from God is
54:02: Am I wrong? I see not claiming that that If you get these things you're a prophet given from God you are
54:11: You're a I mean the way I would see it. He's saying that you're a prophet from God.
54:17: God has given you his revelation his word Yep Yep, that's right.
54:24: That's right. And yeah, he believes in the continuance of the Prophetic gift that God speaks directly outside of Scripture.
54:33: Oh man, that's I'm gonna say that's You know,
54:39: I believe in a closed canon for a reason because if this is true every person that's ever told me or every
54:46: Ever thought that God has spoken revelation You know, we believe that God revealed his word to you know
54:55: The Apostles the prophets of old and gave his word, you know in Hebrews 1 many times in many ways
55:03: God spoke to Through the histories has spoken and now he's finally finished his speaking through his son
55:11: Jesus Christ and it was Jesus if I can remind everybody that appointed the
55:16: Apostles to speak on his behalf and Write down the revelatory truth of the
55:22: Word of God. That's why we have a closed canon. Yep. Yep. That's right
55:27: That's right. And but if you if you begin with their theology if you accept their theology, you cannot have a closed canon
55:36: You cannot have a closed canon of Scripture if you believe this if you hold to this position because and this is something
55:46: I normally say later in the in the Presentation but But since we're on it God cannot speak less authoritatively on one occasion than he does on another
55:57: Yes God cannot Speak in the
56:02: Bible and really really really mean it But when he speaks to us today outside of the
56:08: Bible in a hunch, you know impression in a still small voice He still he still means it but he doesn't mean it quite as much as he meant it in the
56:17: Bible And sometimes you'll hear these people say that they'll say now we're not saying that God speaks on the same level as the
56:24: Scriptures We're not saying that well, my question is why aren't you saying that and how could you not be saying that?
56:32: If God is speaking God is speaking You know, what's the different? Go ahead.
56:38: Yeah, what's the difference? exactly Exactly. What's the difference? I mean God he just So in the
56:45: Bible, he really means it but when he speaks to us today in a still small voice and a hunch or impression, he still means it but Not as much he kind of means it, you know, like he what does he got his fingers crossed?
56:58: Yeah, no, I mean, he's got his fingers crossed behind his back. I mean, how does that how does that work?
57:05: well, you know for me what started this I Mean, I have not considered these things and you put it out here on the experiencing
57:12: God You know, that's to me what started this whole yep Track downward into this this pit of you know,
57:23: God told me so so you can't question me because God told me Right, that's right.
57:30: Yep. Yep. You can't question me. God told me that and I've always wanted to ask these people.
57:36: What does God sound like? Yeah, does he sound like Charlton Heston or James Earl Jones?
57:43: What does it just maybe sounds like Peewee Herman? I don't know. I've never heard his voice but but yeah, this is
57:51: This is where it began Experiencing God by Henry Blackbee. Did you ever go through this
57:56: Justin? My wife and I went through it and as I as I read through it.
58:02: I mean we at our church We have we were at a very large church in our community my wife and I went through it
58:09: The as I recall the whole church did and It caused
58:14: I mean The music ministers. They were all dancing and shouting and screaming that you know
58:21: We're hearing God speak and and all this stuff and it went to You know where the church is now, it's it's rough
58:30: It's it's rough. I mean you can't You can't question people on what they're what
58:36: God told them because they experienced This voice from God who told them
58:44: Well, I'll just tell you that a lady. I know that I love dearly she was
58:51: In a trance or something and and God sent her to the bottom of the ocean to hold up the tectonic plates of America Yeah Because Yeah God sent her to the bottom to hold up the tectonic plates.
59:11: Yep. There's she must have been working out Well, she's more, you know, she's very spiritual
59:19: And very strong too, apparently Now I will say this praise
59:24: God they got out of that church and got away from that teaching but that's what she defended for the longest time and You know, it took a long time, but she got out of that and I know she's at a solid church now but you know, we've
59:39: I've I've talked to many people who have Experienced God and it has not been a good experience when it comes to the truth of the word
59:47: Yeah, that's right Experiencing God by Henry Blackaby, I think is singularly most responsible for introducing
59:55: Charismatic theology into at least theoretically non charismatic churches. I Love how you say that Because you think about how many churches would say
01:00:06: We're SBC or where we're you know, whatever and we don't believe in this
01:00:12: Fanciful stuff right here comes to Henry Blackaby, and he's got four or five other
01:00:20: Books that are study books that are at Lifeway and whatnot that churches just eat up, you know, yep
01:00:26: Yep, that's right. They're all they're all have to do with this emotional experiential
01:00:33: Christianity. Yep. Yep Absolutely. Absolutely Let's see.
01:00:41: Oh Yeah, you can skip that because that kind of treads some ground we've already
01:00:50: You can just go to the next slide Where it's naturally
01:01:12: Supernatural I have read of the great men and women of faith one in particular
01:01:18: Intrigues me so much his name Smith Wigglesworth he had some of the most outrageous
01:01:27: Miracles I ever heard of in my life Let me give you one example
01:01:33: Some parents had a two -month -old baby Oops, I'm so sorry.
01:01:40: I'm in the hospital the parents kidnapped the child took the child to a
01:01:47: Smith Wigglesworth meeting and Smith looks at the child looks at the parents and say can
01:01:52: I do? What God tells me to do or what would you do if you're the parents child's dying anyway, right?
01:01:59: He takes the baby two month old Throws the baby against the wall
01:02:08: Then the babies on the floor he take have you ever seen someone play soccer you never seen them
01:02:16: Kick a soccer ball. He does that with the baby The baby falls into the congregation
01:02:28: No crying 100 %
01:02:47: I'm gonna give everybody just about one second to think about this for a second Um That sounds like Todd Bentley Yeah, kicking people in the face and in the stomach and you know knocking people down and punching people in the face
01:03:05: Yep That is one of the more shocking videos that I have in my seminar
01:03:13: So Smith Wigglesworth was a faith healer British guy in the first half of the 20th century 1900s and He was known for Kicking and punching people.
01:03:28: He claimed to be able to see demons attached to people so like demon of cancer demon of arthritis and So if someone had a disease that had the demon of whatever disease that was
01:03:39: Wrapped around that person, of course, you know, he only only Smith could could see these entities
01:03:47: But Apparently the only way to dislodge said demons from afflicted person is to kick them kick them off punch them off you know and He was the inspiration for Todd Bentley Much more current, you know
01:04:07: Todd Bentley also kicked and punched people well, Todd Bentley learned it from stories about Smith Wigglesworth and that I mean
01:04:16: Justin, I don't even That that is so shocking That's the worst thing
01:04:24: I've ever heard Yeah At times you just kind of you you you run out of you run out of superlatives
01:04:35: You just find yourself at a loss for words to even try to describe this stuff how horrific it is and And One of the charismatic mantras that you hear them say all the time what
01:04:51: God does for one He'll do for you. And So someone is sitting at home and they're watching
01:04:58: Sid Roth and they're thinking My kid is sick
01:05:05: My neighbor's kid is sick what God does for one he'll do for you and And lest you think
01:05:14: That there are not people in this world dumb enough to actually believe that and Actually act on it the very fact that he is putting this on his program
01:05:28: That is inherent proof That there are people in this world dumb enough to do that It's it's inherent proof of it.
01:05:37: So It's shocking, I mean it is absolutely shocking and You know, that was three years ago this video remains on his
01:05:47: YouTube channel right now No, he's not ashamed of this. No No, he's not ashamed of it.
01:05:55: And I actually asked Michael Brown Dr. Michael Brown in an email once I showed him that video send him a link to it
01:06:02: I said do you really believe this happened and his only response was well Was the baby healed apparently the baby was healed so if you know if the baby was healed
01:06:12: God God did this. It's just unbelievable. You mean absolutely unbelievable now if I'm not mistaken
01:06:20: Michael Brown's the one that started the Brownsville revival and was telling people that that this was an actual miracles an actual revival and assuring everybody with all this stuff that was
01:06:32: Absolutely outside of the box of normal life at the moment That it was real deal.
01:06:39: He was the one that started that so Yeah, I don't know that Michael Brown started it
01:06:46: I know he was part of it maybe When I started it
01:06:52: I'm saying he was the one that's sitting there promoting it Real deal. He was right there in the middle of it
01:06:58: All this stuff that was not biblical was going on and that it was perfectly fine.
01:07:06: Yep And Michael Brown and Sid Roth by the way they have been you can you can skip forward through that slide, but Michael Brown and Sid Roth have been good friends for 40 years 40 years and Michael Brown is considered to be one of the
01:07:27: Leaders the intellectual leaders of the charismatic movement and yet he's been good friends with Sid Roth for 40 years.
01:07:34: So I pulled up Bill Hybels here Because I wanted if you don't mind with love to hear you talk about that there are a lot of people in our communities and our churches that just just are blinded by the the the heresy that is
01:07:50: Bill Hybels and yeah They are just steeped into it. So Yep, yeah,
01:07:58: Bill Hybels writes in his book without a hint of exaggeration I can boldly declare that God's low -volume whispers have saved me from a life of sure boredom and self -destruction
01:08:09: It's kind of along the same Vein of what we're talking about with Charles Stanley how
01:08:15: God told him where to get this turkey But not to not how to save his marriage Bill Hybels And just in the last couple of years has been
01:08:24: DQ'd disqualified from ministry for sexually immoral behavior, you know, so so much for those low -volume whispers that saved him from a life of boredom and self -destruction
01:08:36: He's self -destructed Yeah So much for those low -volume whispers. Well, and you know, you know,
01:08:43: I talked about this before And I'll say this I'll just go ahead and take the brunt for this or whatever anybody wants to get mad about it when you have
01:08:56: When you have people that are you know let's let's say they're they're the intellectual elite or the theological elite or the
01:09:05: Highbrow the the ones that you know that are well known when their theology or their doctrine is
01:09:13: Is shaky in areas and and other people are allowed to come in that are heretical
01:09:21: Yeah, the heresy never gets lessened, you know I cut like we talked about the
01:09:27: Bible doesn't say that 50 pounds 11 leavens the whole lot It's right is that a little bit the smallest speck of leaven will sin will
01:09:38: Eventually overtake and destroy whatever good ministry you got going on And when you have compromised people who are willing to Allow wolves in allow false teaching in are willing to compromise in in their areas in their own lives
01:09:54: Eventually, it's going to come out. Yeah, you know, I I don't know what I don't know when it started but the the boy that was on the the night 19 kids and counting
01:10:06: I Don't know when his depravity started, but I know he didn't start where he is today
01:10:15: Right, right. Yep both sin Whatever form that that takes sexual sin in his case horrific sexual sin, but both sin and error theological error heresy left unchecked
01:10:35: It grows it Metastasizes it grows it snowballs as you said a little bit earlier.
01:10:41: It gets bigger and bigger and bigger. It's the nature of the beast You know you you want to use that one
01:10:51: Yeah, we can do this. This is Robert Morris talking, you know pastor of Gateway Church in the
01:10:57: DFW area one of the largest churches in the country Enormously popular and flies in under the radar a
01:11:03: Lot more so than like a Benny Hinn or a Kenneth Copeland Robert Morris, you know, he's more mainstream looking
01:11:10: Not as flamboyant as some of the others But the same heresy and he's talking here about how prayer is a two -way street
01:11:19: You know if we said we're going to have a class on prayer You say that's I need that and even the disciples said teach us to pray, but let me remind you
01:11:31: That hearing God is the second half of prayer Because if you can't hear
01:11:38: God Why would you pray? Now one reason is to make our requests and petitions be known
01:11:44: God But God never intended prayer to be a giving of our to -do list to him ever more
01:11:51: He intended prayer to be communication between a father and his children and If you'll just take some time and start to listen
01:12:04: You'll be amazed that he'll speak. Oh Wow Hey, man,
01:12:10: I'm good. Yeah Yeah, so, you know, we hear this all the time right prayer is a two -way street
01:12:17: We pray to God and then we get real quiet And and we get real quiet.
01:12:24: We listen for that still small voice for God to speak back to us But that is foreign to the scriptures.
01:12:31: There is nothing in the Bible that says anything about listening to God when we pray
01:12:38: It's just not there and In fact in Luke chapter 11 the disciples asked
01:12:45: Jesus they said Lord teach us to pray Now what a great opportunity, right?
01:12:50: For Jesus to say hey guys, I'm so glad you asked. All right Here's how you do it.
01:12:57: You pray you talk to God for a while You tell him what you want what you need what's going to your heart and then you get real quiet and you listen real hard for that still small voice
01:13:07: I Mean the the ball is sitting on the two -way Street tea waiting
01:13:15: Begging for Jesus to knock it out of the park. Amen. That's not what Jesus said.
01:13:21: He said nothing of a sort He said when you pray pray in this way Lord Our father who is in heaven hallowed be thy name
01:13:30: Nothing about prayer being a two -way Street That is a that is a an entire theology that we have completely fabricated out of thin air
01:13:38: It's not in the Bible. We just created it out of whole cloth So we don't we don't hear
01:13:44: God in a still small voice I mean, you know, I mean I was thinking about eating some dinner earlier and I thought you know
01:13:51: Should I eat some dinner or go talk to Justin and this still small voice that it was actually my wife
01:13:56: She said get down there get started Now that is a voice I would listen to yeah
01:14:04: But yeah, the still small voice so here's a tweet from Beth Moore She says there's a time to give up at a time to keep trying
01:14:10: Sometimes the time to keep trying feels a whole lot like the time to give up The only difference is the still small voice of the
01:14:17: Holy Spirit within you saying try again So, I mean, that's just one of Thousands of examples we could cite but this whole still small voice.
01:14:26: Well, it comes from first Kings chapter 19 and There in verse 11.
01:14:32: This is the story of Elijah Elijah had just called down fire from heaven destroyed the prophets of Baal Destroyed them destroyed their sacrifices destroyed their altar, you know very dramatic scene and then
01:14:46: Jezebel this woman got after him threatened his life and He fled into the wilderness like a scared schoolgirl scared for his life
01:14:58: Which is really odd I've always thought there's a really odd after this dramatic victory I mean calling down fire from heaven and destroying false prophets and then this woman gets after him.
01:15:06: It's like I'm out of here and Anyway, he said he said go forth
01:15:12: Stand upon the mount before the Lord and behold the Lord passed by in a great and strong wind rent the mountains and break in Pieces the rocks before the
01:15:21: Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind after the wind and earthquake But the Lord was not in their earthquake after the earthquake of fire
01:15:27: But the Lord was not in the fire and after the fire a still small voice. So there it is
01:15:34: Still small voice. This is in the King James. It's only the King James that renders it this way and Look at verse 13 so and it was so when
01:15:45: Elijah heard it that he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and Stood in the entering in the entrance of The cave so Elijah was in this cave when all this happened
01:15:59: He stood out he wrapped his face in a mantle in his mantle walked out to the entrance of the cave
01:16:05: So he could hear this voice more clearly and behold there came a voice unto him and said what doest thou hear
01:16:12: Elijah? What are you doing here Elijah? So this was not some inner impression
01:16:19: It was not some hunch some feeling some voice inside of his noggin. It was an external voice
01:16:25: It was not internal. It was an external not an internal subjective an external audible voice
01:16:31: Just like you're hearing my voice right now So I tell people, you know, this has totally been taken out of context
01:16:38: Yeah so we really need to do away with the whole still small voice thing because it's not what that means and we've created this whole theology out of it one thing
01:16:49: I want to encourage everybody to think about just for a minute is What you're hearing right now is called exegetical grammatical historical theological discussion
01:17:02: We are doing Exegesis. Yep. We're not trying to do theological hermeneutics or experimental hermeneutics.
01:17:09: We're not trying to do, you know Experiential we're not trying to do, you know emotional hermeneutics
01:17:16: Typologies all of these things that are trying to to to overstate these cases because because what you've heard most
01:17:25: Most likely in the churches that you've been at and I'm not saying all of them a lot of good churches
01:17:31: But most likely if you've heard this still small voice theology
01:17:37: What you've been hearing is that God is speaking to you in low Tones as we heard earlier those sweet tones those sweet silent voices and tones
01:17:48: Beth Moore said it That the Holy Spirit is speaking to your conscience your soul and and What Justin just did was he explained that this text?
01:18:02: Back to the scripture What does the Bible say the text reveals?
01:18:08: That Elijah was in this cave and the reason there was a still small voice is that the the voice was
01:18:16: Outside of the cave and he could barely hear it. That's what it means
01:18:22: It doesn't mean that he had this little emotional feeling and he had a little party for himself
01:18:29: In his heart because God was finally talking to him and he ran out there to face the wind
01:18:35: It tells us here that's what Justin just did for you is he gave you a theological doctrinal exegetical
01:18:42: Interpretation to understand what this passage means if your pastor is not doing that you're in trouble
01:18:50: That's right If your pastor is not doing that if your teachers aren't doing that you're in trouble
01:18:56: Because the Word of God means what it says in a literary literal context
01:19:03: We don't just Try to allegorize or spiritualize We don't try to play play games with the
01:19:10: Word of God and you need a godly man a godly pastor a godly leader Who will teach thus saith the
01:19:16: Lord? so I just want to encourage you on that because that's a lot of times when you're
01:19:22: When you're looking at leadership, you're looking at churches you hear people that get these.
01:19:28: Oh, I got this impression from the Lord I got this idea. That's why the SBC Russell Moore and Albert Muller and all these guys
01:19:36: Wanted Beth Moore to be in leadership because they were not willing to stand and say she is in error
01:19:45: Right, and this is going to continue to happen until godly men will stand up for the
01:19:50: Word of God Yep, that's right. Yeah, that's right. I didn't mean to rant but I was
01:19:55: A Hearty amen hearty. Amen. I Think it's
01:20:02: I just think it's so scary to hear about that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's yeah, it's uh
01:20:10: There's so little exposition true exposition going on in our churches today Most people have never actually heard good preaching
01:20:18: They've never heard it. They hear stories. They hear little sermonettes. They hear topical
01:20:24: Isagetical stuff, but they've never heard true exposition But I'll tell you if you're a regenerate person
01:20:33: Once you hear it once you hear it from a true expositor and you get a taste of it.
01:20:39: You can never go back You'll never be satisfied with this mealy -mouthed topical pop psychologized
01:20:49: Preaching that that dominates most pulpits today. You'll never be satisfied with it again if you're regenerate well, that's because you know as you said you say here in your next slide my sheep hear my voice and You know breaking down what that truly means
01:21:06: We want to hear from God. We want to hear the Word of God from the God of the Word. Yep.
01:21:12: That's right. That's right And we can hear
01:21:19: God Most assuredly I say to you he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door
01:21:25: But climbs up some other way the same is a thief and a robber But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep
01:21:35: To him the doorkeeper opens now watch this carefully and the sheep watch hear his
01:21:44: Voice You just say those three words hear his voice
01:21:49: So John 10 27 to me is the most concise and comprehensive verse in Scripture about hearing
01:21:55: God It is when Jesus says my sheep hear my voice. I know them and they follow me
01:22:04: I Just I every time I watch that clip. It just kills me her expression like this
01:22:10: You know, they They play the John 10 27 card and it's like the the end -all be -all
01:22:18: Dare you to explain this away? how can you say that God doesn't speak to us outside of Scripture when
01:22:24: Jesus clearly says my sheep hear my voice and she's like you know Clearest verse there is and it's the one they all use.
01:22:33: They all this is the gold standard of the God speaks to me outside of Scripture theology
01:22:38: John 10 27 So, I mean seems like you know bada -boom bada -bing
01:22:43: God my sheep hear my voice. How can you argue with that? Well Quite easily actually
01:22:49: So let's look at this John 10 27 my sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me.
01:22:55: Wow. There it is Problem is there's a bit of context here and it becomes very apparent just by looking at the
01:23:04: Verse one verse in front Jesus speaking to the Pharisees. You do not believe you don't believe in me.
01:23:11: Why? Because you're not of my sheep My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me
01:23:20: This is talking about eternal life here. This is this is matters of regeneration and verse 28 makes that abundantly and crystal clear and I give eternal life to them and they will never perish and no one will snatch them out of my hand
01:23:40: This is not talking about God whispering in your head in some still small voice telling you where to go to have lunch one day
01:23:48: Or to take a right turn instead of a left turn or something like that That is that is not what this passage is talking about.
01:23:56: This is eternal life. This is the effectual call of the gospel What John 10 is talking about is that before we come to Christ if you're a
01:24:08: Christian now Before you came to Christ You were still a sheep
01:24:14: But you were a lost sheep and you were lost sheep out there grazing in the pasture of life with your head down Munching on the clovers minding your own business, but all of a sudden you hear a voice
01:24:30: You hear a call and you perk your head up And you see the shepherd and you go to him
01:24:38: That's what this is talking about Jesus calling his lost sheep to himself in conversion in the new birth
01:24:49: Regeneration not telling you where to go to have lunch one day not telling you go To you know subway and get a whatever where to go get your turkey.
01:24:59: Go get your turkey yet. Yeah This is a beautiful majestic profound deep
01:25:09: Passage of Scripture, it's not hard to understand. It's crystal clear But it is deep.
01:25:16: It is profound. It is majestic and To to get John 10
01:25:23: So wrong. Yeah, I mean you Justin you heard me say this other night at the conference If you can't get the clear meaning of John chapter 10, right?
01:25:32: I mean, you don't have to be a Greek scholar You don't have to do high -level exegesis here to understand what he's saying.
01:25:38: It's obvious. Just read your Bible in English It's very clear what he's saying. So if you can reduce something so profound
01:25:47: And Trivialize it and make it so menial as what these people do with John 10. You've got no business teaching the
01:25:53: Bible. Amen You've got no business teaching the Bible You know get a secular job
01:26:02: Be a plumber be a dentist, you know, nothing wrong with being a plumber or being a dentist
01:26:07: But if that's your if that's how you exegete Scripture, don't don't talk don't teach the Bible.
01:26:12: You can't do it. Yeah And and that goes for anyone who would reduce
01:26:18: John chapter 10 to something like that and in verse 29
01:26:24: My father who has given them to me. We are love gifts as Christians We are gifts from the father to the son is greater than all and no one is able to snatch them out of the father's hand
01:26:36: And so Jesus he calls us to himself and he holds us in his hand
01:26:43: Which is strong enough, but then in verse 29 he takes as it were he takes the father's hand and Wraps it around that of his own
01:26:52: Yeah, and he holds us You talk about eternal security Yeah, there it is
01:27:01: And it's a beautiful passage of Scripture. It's I Mean, it's it's it's beautiful and it's a terrible
01:27:09: Trivialization to reduce it to something as meaningless as It's what these these people do with it
01:27:16: I say to brother is And in this passage you have a blessing for the believer and a curse for those that are not
01:27:25: That's right. You have Jesus is rebuking Non -believers who should know we have heard the truth and yet in their heart.
01:27:35: They refuse to believe him and He says it's because you're not of my sheep, that's right
01:27:40: There's a lot. I Mean, you don't want to hear that. You don't want to hear that condemnation.
01:27:47: You're not my sheep. You're a goat. Yeah, you know But my sheep
01:27:54: They hear my voice. It's talking about the gospel call Yeah, you know it's talking about the gospel call my that my sheep hear of my voice
01:28:01: That they hear in their in their converted regenerated soul should I say that they are vile sinners in the need of a holy
01:28:11: God and that they must follow Christ to The cross where he went and died and paid the penalty for our sin
01:28:18: And in entrusting Christ in the name of Christ alone in that name
01:28:25: We see that all that has been given to Christ to save To pay the debt for are
01:28:34: His for eternity and he will never lose them and the father has guaranteed it based upon his name, too
01:28:41: So so we are we are doubly secure based upon the name of God and if I might add
01:28:48: Sealed in Ephesians 2 by the power by the Spirit of God. We are sealed by the
01:28:54: Spirit. That's right Yeah, that's exactly right. That's exactly right.
01:29:00: So And by the way, just while we're doing this if you don't have that assurance and you don't know
01:29:06: Christ as your Savior I urge you right now to cry out repent and trust Christ alone for your salvation
01:29:12: Not for an experience that you had but know in truth that God has saved you from your sin
01:29:20: So I want to encourage that So amen. Amen. I think the the next one is the the big one that is
01:29:29: What is it is it like the second or third most sold material
01:29:38: Yeah, as far as devotional books, it's light years ahead of everything else light years.
01:29:45: I mean No devotional book ever written even approaches the numbers of copies sold that Jesus calling does
01:29:54: I mean Jesus calling is literally in a class of its own and Anytime I show I put the slide up and when
01:30:00: I'm doing a seminar at a church and and granted it's it's the doctrinally sound Churches that have me come it's not the happy clappy churches that have me come but anytime
01:30:09: I put that slide up I kind of look out and intentionally at the audience and I see ladies go like this.
01:30:15: So just like oh, yeah Yeah, I got that So Yeah, now this is an excerpt out of Jesus calling copied and pasted
01:30:27: No edits on my part Sarah Young says during that same year in 92 I began reading
01:30:32: God calling a devotional book by two anonymous listeners these women practice waiting quietly in God's presence
01:30:39: Pencils and papers in hand recording the messages they received from him So God calling is a book and and I've got a copy of is written back in the 1930s by two anonymous female mystics and These we don't know their names
01:30:53: It's being anonymous, but they they tuned in supposedly to the exact frequency that God speaks on and when they finally figured out that frequency
01:31:07: God started calling them and they began to write down what he said and That's their book God inspiration for G Sarah Young to write
01:31:14: Jesus calling So She's writing or they were writing
01:31:24: If it was God it was the Canon of Scripture, that's right Same same thing.
01:31:29: Yep. That's right. If God was really calling them and they were writing down. In fact, she says You know these next two points you have here
01:31:36: She says I knew that God communicated with me through the Bible, but I yearned for more We were talking about that a few minutes ago.
01:31:41: Now. The Bible is not enough for people. They've got to have something more Same here and then she says
01:31:48: I decided to listen to God with pen in hand Writing down whatever I believed he was saying so just like the ladies who wrote
01:31:56: God calling Sarah Young tuned in to just the right frequency and When she hit just that right frequency
01:32:03: Jesus started calling her giving her messages and with pen in hand she wrote down what he said and Again, if that is what is happening.
01:32:13: She is writing scripture. I think what breaks my heart about this brother is I Know Maybe hundreds of professing believers
01:32:25: Who would say that they were saved by listening to this or that they were?
01:32:33: Sanctified they experienced a greater walk by hearing this woman
01:32:43: Right, I'm just gonna say it right Satan's Bible I Can't say it either way because this is not
01:32:51: God's It's not Jesus. It's not God talking to Sarah Young if she's hearing something she's hearing just as much as the lady that wrote the the
01:33:03: Twilight series who was in a trance and wrote She admitted she was in a trance and was writing what this demon was having her right for this
01:33:14: Twilight series No difference between that and Jesus call coming down and walking along and sitting with Sarah Young and telling her what to write down and You having it in your home and in your church.
01:33:29: That's not from God. It's from Satan. Yep Yep, that's exactly right.
01:33:34: That's and in all of these Devotionals, there's 365 of them in the book.
01:33:40: All of them are written in the first person for Jesus. I Jesus will do such -and -such. I am this
01:33:45: I am that they're all written in the first person for Christ. So This is this is divinity.
01:33:52: This is actually if you take it what she says at face value. It's something called automatic writing. Yeah And this is when a spirit takes you over and makes you write whatever the spirit wants you to write
01:34:06: Yep Yeah, that's A Dictation theory and because people say in the in the
01:34:18: What is the second third century they tried to they tried to announce a dictation theory that said that the the scriptures were forced upon people that They were automatically writing.
01:34:32: They were just dictated to and and that it's clearly not what we see in Scripture, but You know as the
01:34:39: Bible says holy men of God were inspired were carried along by the Holy Spirit, you know
01:34:45: To write down everything that God wanted in Their language and everything else.
01:34:50: It wasn't this trance like state and everything else that we see in this Heretical work that I want to encourage if you're a
01:35:01: Christian you claim to be a Christian burn this thing get out of your house Read it get it out, you know have some discernment
01:35:09: Yeah, get it out. Yeah Yeah, burn it use it for kindling Use it for target practice sight your deer rifle in for hunting season
01:35:19: It's really good for that Amen, I don't disagree with you one bit, you know, and that's the thing kind of getting back to the
01:35:26: Beth Moore You know, you've got here I've done the videos many videos on Beth Moore and What you have on here is some of the stuff that I have
01:35:38: She was actually at a believe it's an airport or a train station, but it was an airport where where a homeless person came in and she brags about God told her to brush this man's hair
01:35:53: Yeah, he he wasn't homeless. He was an old old man in a wheelchair. But yeah, I believe you're right.
01:35:58: Yeah Yep. Yep. God told her to brush his hair. It's one of the more bizarre stories It's on YouTube.
01:36:05: I mean people have lampooned it and yeah God told her to go up to an elderly man in a wheelchair and brush his hair
01:36:13: Yeah. Yeah, and that's so dangerous. I Mean and I want everybody to hear this and realize what's being said
01:36:21: If Beth Moore and all these others are on such a level That God is specifically telling them these things
01:36:30: Louie Giglio John Piper whoever Mm -hmm if they're on this level that God is telling them things
01:36:39: What happens when you are not hearing and Getting that special revelation every second of the day
01:36:47: Yeah like them That's right guys. This causes depression
01:36:53: It causes people to literally kill themselves. It causes people to walk away from Christianity saying well,
01:36:59: I'm not a Christian Anyway, it causes people to walk away. This is the reason people are looking for anything outside of free millennial
01:37:10: Tribulational dispensational theology because they're saying oh, it's failed. It's failed. It's failed No This is the proof that in the last days false teachers will come there will be many that will come and because people have itching
01:37:23: Ears, what are they gonna do? They're gonna heap to themselves all these false teachers. Yep That's exactly right.
01:37:31: Thanks. Okay, right Wanna I'm gonna go ahead and pull that up brother. If you don't mind, okay He began to say to me
01:37:45: I'm gonna tell you something right now bad boy You rock this one down and you say it as often as I give you utterance to say it
01:37:52: My bride is paralyzed by unbelief. My bride is paralyzed by unbelief
01:38:01: I'm not really I'm not either Yeah, I'm not either now.
01:38:07: I'm not I'm not post -millennial You know and a lot of times us pre -millennials we get accused of being you know,
01:38:16: Debbie Downers You know and just kind of throw your hands up and give up but I believe
01:38:22: I believe what Jesus says that the gates of hell will not prevail and God's Word does not return void
01:38:29: So I had no idea the bride of Christ. The church is paralyzed by unbelief.
01:38:35: That's new information for me Yeah, the Bible doesn't say anything about it. Well, but think about the
01:38:41: God told her to let you know Yeah, and to write it down Yeah, yes, so now thanks to Beth Moore and this secret relationship she has with God we've we've been we've been
01:38:56: Allowed in on this little unknown heretofore unknown fact Bride of Christ is paralyzed by unbelief
01:39:02: You know, what's amazing to me is I? Look forward to the victory of Christ Amen, I'm okay with whatever
01:39:11: God sends my way I'm okay. I'm okay with Persecution Tribulation trials.
01:39:19: I'm okay with all of it because I know what my future is. That's right Well, I hear people say that and I love my brothers and I hear people say well,
01:39:26: I just believe the gospel wins That's a straw man. I do too Yeah, I was gonna save every single one.
01:39:33: We just read in John. He's not gonna lose one single one of his elect That's right. I've got no worries about that I know that this message are gonna go out and God's gonna work in it to glorify himself
01:39:47: Beth Moore is a liar and The bride of Christ doesn't fail
01:39:54: We don't win this battle here. God does that's right, right? Yeah, our our battle is not with flesh and blood
01:40:02: It's a against the spiritual forces and in heavenly places and dark places, you know, we we don't we don't wage worldly war
01:40:11: But our God will that's right, you know and and he's gonna win and we're gonna get to sit and watch it happen
01:40:17: That's right. Absolutely. Yeah Get the popcorn out bro.
01:40:24: Oh I Can't believe this.
01:40:29: Oh, no So when godly people do ungodly things Ironic I am being as honest as I know how to be when
01:40:38: I say that I did not write these pages by simple preference I wrote them because had I not the rocks in my yard would have cried out
01:40:47: What God does with what he has promised is his business. I entrust the message Entirely to the one who delivered it while I sat bug -eyed
01:40:57: That's blasphemy Yes That is blasphemy.
01:41:03: That would be the definition of blasphemy right there Yeah Jesus Christ himself is the one that said the rocks will cry out if these if these be silent speaking of his triumphal entry into the into the the temple and into the city of Jerusalem and he was being told to be silent and He rebuked everyone and said that these rocks it was speaking of judgment
01:41:32: He was actually speaking judgment upon Jerusalem upon the temple he says these rocks are
01:41:40: These rocks will cry out if these people were silent Brother you got it.
01:41:47: I Mean that is just that is absolutely stunning right there Absolutely stunning and and then that other highlighted part
01:41:59: She says that she entrusts this message entirely to the one who delivered it while I sat bug -eyed so she was just as passive recipient, you know, just sitting back and just bug -eyed like I Can't believe what
01:42:14: God is downloading to me right now And so it's this again. This is like this
01:42:21: Automatic writing. Yeah, not God is downloading this information to her
01:42:28: Hello Gnosticism I Mean it's just It's unbelievable.
01:42:36: Well now this is but this is only in the Charismatic Baptist or the charismatic
01:42:44: What do you call it the charismatic non -denominational now since she left the Baptist denomination This would only be in those circles, right?
01:42:51: I mean you wouldn't have it and something like Matt Chandler or something. Would you oh
01:42:57: Yes Speaking of The thus sayeth the
01:43:08: Lord look right at me Oops, sorry about that is over Look at me
01:43:14: When this text is talking about prophecy, it's not talking about the way
01:43:19: Jeremiah prophesied or Isaiah prophesied or know that that's closed. That's Canonized so you will never prophesy in a way that's on par equal to anywhere near The inerrant infallible
01:43:32: Word of God that's closed shut And so the best you've got the best you've got is the humility to say
01:43:39: I think the Lord would have me lay this before you Really yeah, so there's two big errors here
01:43:51: He Says that that this is not when when God when we prophesy it's not like Isaiah.
01:43:57: It's not like Jeremiah That's closed. That's in to Copy that's canonized
01:44:03: That goes back to what we were saying earlier God cannot speak less authoritatively on one occasion than he does on another if God is speaking
01:44:11: God is speaking And so that is a bogus argument
01:44:18: Bogus argument and and then he says we should we should have the humility to say well
01:44:24: I think this is what the Lord is laying before me I'm trying to figure out when the any of the prophet the prophets or Apostles ever said, you know
01:44:34: I just really think God's giving me this impression that you know, I just really think this that God's you know,
01:44:40: I could be wrong What is it I mean if I'm not mistaken what
01:44:45: I'm hearing is A bunch of people that that desperately want to lead people into their financial coffers
01:44:54: That are trying to tell people That it's okay for you to be a false prophet as long as you don't try to claim the mantle of a prophet
01:45:03: You can just say I believe God's telling me this. I have a vision from God I have a word from God word of knowledge or whatever and they're trying to incorporate that into Christianity to muddy the water
01:45:14: I don't see anything else besides that. Yep. That's exactly right brother. That's exactly right
01:45:23: Nowhere in the Bible Old or New Testament. Will you find anyone saying anything like I Really feel like the
01:45:32: Lord is trying to tell us such -and -such. I Really believe the Lord's trying to tell us said nobody in the
01:45:39: Bible ever and you know Andrew said this and I you may have said it first, but I'm not sure but Andrew said
01:45:46: I cannot exegete Your dreams your thoughts the things that you think
01:45:53: Jesus or God is telling you. Yeah The scripture and say I understand what thus saith the
01:45:59: Lord. This is the standard This is the absolute standard of all truth if it's not enough
01:46:09: Then you have to look for an outside standard and you've made your own subjective reasoning the standard
01:46:16: Are you 100 % positive that what you think you heard from God is?
01:46:22: From God because as far as I can tell None of the prophets and apostles ever heard
01:46:29: Jesus or God speak to them In their own minds it was outside of them as you talked about that still small voice
01:46:38: Was outside of them. It wasn't in their mind and they were going. Oh, I think
01:46:44: God's was speaking to me Yes, Samuel you think and he's a little boy
01:46:49: He's laying there and he keeps saying he keeps running up saying You know, did you call for me did you call for me did you call for me and how many times was it four times
01:47:01: And then finally, you know, it's hit some hey, this might be
01:47:06: God So the next time you hear this you say here I am and it was from God But it was outside of them.
01:47:15: It wasn't in them Right. It was an external audible voice.
01:47:20: That's right. That's right The word of the Lord came to Abram the word of the
01:47:25: Lord came to Jeremiah the word of the Lord Came to Isaiah to Ezekiel Yeah, nowhere not even even in the
01:47:33: New Testament when the Holy Spirit spoke He spoke with crystal clear clarity set apart for me
01:47:39: Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them. Yeah So it's outside of oneself.
01:47:46: It's not you know guys. I really think that Jesus is telling me something. Yeah, no,
01:47:51: I Tell people this if you have to wonder whether or not
01:47:56: God spoke to you He didn't know If you have any question, well, you know,
01:48:02: I heard this voice in my head this This thought in my head and I don't I don't know if that was me or if that was
01:48:09: God if you have to wonder That he didn't know You know and I'm gonna say this just so that we can make sure it's clear
01:48:17: Peter said that the things that he experienced on the Mount of Transfiguration That he actually experienced it
01:48:25: No, he said look I'm giving you my word that I actually experienced it, you know, okay
01:48:31: We don't go by experience as Peter actually said, but we have a more sure word
01:48:37: Yeah, so what he was saying was I'm not giving you revelational truth.
01:48:44: I'm telling you what I experienced But we have a more sure word written down the canon of Scripture That's right, and I want to make sure it's clear because So many times we hear people say but I experienced it
01:49:01: Well, I've had all kinds of experiences that I can't explain. Yeah If it doesn't meet the canon of Scripture, I'm gonna walk away from it saying
01:49:11: I trust the Word of God more than I trust my own heart Or my own thinking, you know, my mind is deceitful and above all things desperately wicked
01:49:21: Saved by the grace of God as I am. I'm still in a physical form as Paul said. Oh wretched man that I am
01:49:28: Yeah, I don't trust myself Yeah, that's right. That's right.
01:49:34: Absolutely. Absolutely and I got
01:49:41: Sam on here if you want to do this one again, if you want go anything else, whatever you want to do I can't remember.
01:49:46: What's what does he say here? This is one. Oh Yeah, he says
01:49:52: Dramatic pronouncements aren't helpful avoid saying things like thus sayeth the Lord or this is the Word of the Lord for your life
01:49:58: They aren't helpful Whoa, they were helpful for Isaiah, Jeremiah and those guys
01:50:05: We have found that it is better to introduce prophetic utterance with statements such as I have a strong inner impression
01:50:11: That I believe is from the Lord. I had a sense from the Holy Spirit. I had a dream which involves several of you
01:50:17: So why is that better? That's not better. That's not biblical language I know what's wrong in our impression.
01:50:23: I sensed no No, I know why it's better Because Justin Peters can't call me a false prophet according to the scripture because I'm not saying thus sayeth the
01:50:35: Lord. I'm saying I Yep, I feel like yeah,
01:50:40: I think yeah Yeah Yeah, no, I feel like the
01:50:46: Lord said to me. That's exactly right. Yeah, and then we have these examples that I just Yeah Laid those out
01:50:55: Here here's a point. I would like to make I know we're kind of running low on time here Justin, but here's
01:51:02: Riddle me this Batman if if hearing from the
01:51:08: Lord is such a vitally important part of the Christian life as All these people that we've been looking at tonight have said if it's so very important that we get this, right
01:51:19: Then why is it that there is absolutely no Instruction Old or New Testament on how to do it.
01:51:28: Hey, man Have you ever wondered that? like Okay, let's let's just do the
01:51:35: New Testament since we're in the New Covenant In the four Gospels we have the life ministry teaching of Jesus, right?
01:51:42: All this teaching is miracles crucifixion resurrection in the book of Acts We have the birth and the spread of the church
01:51:51: Then we get into Romans in the first and second Corinthians Galatians Ephesians Philippians Colossians And we get to the pastoral epistles and all these things and what do we have there?
01:52:01: Well, we've got loads of instructions on doctrine on theology on ecclesiology how to organize a church on qualifications for Elders and deacons on how to resolve conflict.
01:52:16: We've got lots of instructions on that on Teaching sound doctrine or feeding those who contradict how to tell a false prophet how to tell a false teacher
01:52:24: You've got eschatology Course the whole book of Revelation and then you've got it sprinkled throughout the rest of the
01:52:31: New Testament as well You've got all of these instructions on all of these different things if hearing from God is so important Why is there that's all right, why is there absolutely zero instruction
01:52:45: Any guidelines in the Bible on how to do it? Why why did
01:52:50: God leave us hanging on something that is apparent that supposedly so important?
01:52:57: Yeah, I want to hear somebody answer that question One thing I want to I want to do and I'm gonna back it up here in just a second
01:53:07: We are getting low on time But I do want to I want to pull the screen down here a little bit because I want to talk about Just a couple of people real fast
01:53:15: Because I want you to you know, maybe the last, you know, 10 minutes We may go just a minute or two over if that's okay.
01:53:21: Um, I want to talk about Bill Johnson I want to look out and talk about Matt Chandler He's went down this this road.
01:53:31: That's not good. But you know What about Bill Johnson and what about you know
01:53:36: Bethel music and what about Elevation Church, what about the
01:53:43: You know, Matt Maurer and these guys that are so prevalent in our churches in our music
01:53:49: I'd like for you to you know touch on this real quick if you could Because I think this is important that we need to let you speak on this about Yeah, so so the music there's on the right there you see
01:54:05: Lou Engel Bill Johnson Benny Han and then that's Michael Koulianos there
01:54:13: So Bethel music Hillsong music that's Almost every evangelical church sings that stuff.
01:54:21: Yeah. Well Bethel is a cult Bill Johnson. He's the pastor of Bethel Church Bethel is a cult
01:54:29: They are they are very aberrant they are very heretical they manufacture fake signs and wonders you can look at videos of Bethel services and they've got fire tunnels and people jerking and twitching and shaking like there's they're in the throes of an epileptic seizure
01:54:46: You've got their Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry, which which is the most bizarre outlandish and Utterly impotent school that there is they train their students how to Raise the dead and heal the sick and all this kind of stuff with the 100 % failure rate, by the way
01:55:07: It's a it's a cult and So when you sing Bethel music or you sing
01:55:14: Hillsong Hillsong is the same way Hillsong out in Australia You know, they have satellite churches all over the world
01:55:19: But the main one the mothership if you will is in Sydney, Australia pastored by Brian Houston Bill Johnson and Brian Houston cross -pollinate with one another they speak at each other's conferences.
01:55:30: So there's there's simpatico These are cults. And so when you sing
01:55:35: Bethel music and Hillsong songs You need to know that you're singing music straight out of a cult and people say oh no, wait a minute
01:55:47: The Lyrics are okay. And you know what? granted Some of their songs have lyrics that are okay
01:55:55: Not all of them are okay. Some of their songs are looney tunes romantic Jesus kind of Jesus is my boyfriend type stuff
01:56:02: But some of the lyrics are okay So it must be alright to sing them, right? No, it's not for two main reasons number one
01:56:10: They use their music as one of their primary ways to expand their tent and They they use it as a hook to pull you into their theological system when the unsuspecting person is sitting out on a pew on Sunday morning and they're looking up at the screen and the lyrics on the screen they're singing the song and Then you look down in the fine print and it says music by Bethel or Bethel music music by Hillsong and the unsuspecting person
01:56:41: Seeing that like oh Bethel no song. Well, they must be okay.
01:56:46: We're singing their music after all. I think I'm gonna check them out and That's that's the way this gig works, that's why they do what they do.
01:56:57: That's one thing. That's one reason you shouldn't Sing this music because you're exposing your sheep to wolves
01:57:09: Shepherding 101 Protect your sheep from the wolves. Yeah and then number two
01:57:18: If a church is doing What they're supposed to be doing Then every time they sing a
01:57:25: Bethel music or a Hillsong song then they are sending money in to these respective churches if they're following the
01:57:35: CCLI Regulations codes. Yeah, then every time you sing a
01:57:42: Bethel song or Hillsong song You're sending in music Excuse me sending you money to a cult
01:57:48: You're sending in money to a cult now I've given this illustration before and a lot of people really got angry at me for doing it, but I stand by it
01:57:58: Let's just illustrate absurdity by being absurd for a second. Let's suppose Planned Parenthood Had a board meeting and they say, you know, we really need to bring in some more money
01:58:09: Even though thanks to Joe Biden. We're awash in money right now But let's just say I know how we can bring in more money let's write some
01:58:17: Christian music and Let's make sure the lyrics pass a basic doctrinal smell test.
01:58:23: So the Christians will sing it in their churches And so they write some Christian music and you know what?
01:58:28: It's good music. It's got good lyrics and So we'll send this out to the churches and every time they sing one of our songs
01:58:35: Yeah, we're gonna get some money from Now I ask you this
01:58:40: Mr. Or mrs. Christian sitting in your church pew If you knew that your church was sending money to Planned Parenthood Would you sing that music?
01:58:51: Even though the lyrics were okay. No, no.
01:58:57: Nope. I would submit to you that is As horrible as that would be
01:59:03: Sending money to Planned Parenthood from a church. I would submit to you that sending money to a cult is worse than that Because Planned Parenthood they're lost lost people do what lost people do they murder babies now
01:59:20: I Believe those babies are going to heaven. But that's another discussion. They murder babies What's worse than murdering a baby?
01:59:28: Well, if there is anything worse, it would be this preaching a different Jesus a different gospel and Leading millions of people down the primrose path to hell
01:59:48: You know last day's language of the Holy Spirit is dreams Well, it was just a dream
02:00:00: I mean just a dream who knows what angels had to fight through to break into your world
02:00:11: To give you their thoughts you just say it's just a dream. I think the church needs to stop saying it's just a dream
02:00:30: You know last day's language of the Holy Spirit is dreams One thing
02:00:36: I want to point out is there was a sermon sermon series I did going through and talking about Bethel and Hillsong and All the different groups that are involved with this and Actually was talking about Jesus culture for the most part.
02:00:59: That is the that is the religious Gospel arm of Bethel music and and Bill Johnson They actually were at the passion conference
02:01:11: They've actually been these different conferences and they are probably sung in your youth groups and whatnot
02:01:17: They came to Christ By mantra prayers and chants where they just sat there and said
02:01:23: Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Until the the
02:01:29: Spirit came upon them and they were Anointed to to sing and praise and whatnot guys.
02:01:36: That's not biblical That's not that's not from the scripture Justin if we could just one last thing
02:01:44: I read Hebrews 1 1 through 2 This is what the scripture says
02:01:51: God after he had spoken long ago to the fathers and the prophets in Many portions and in many ways in other words, he spoke all types of different ways in different types of styles
02:02:04: He even had he even had people in the Proverbs go going to the ants to figure out how they were to functioning and seeing how
02:02:13: God ordered and structured creation So there's all types of different ways
02:02:20: Burning bushes, you know axe heads floating the finger of God coming down and riding upon stone in These last days he has spoken to us in his son
02:02:34: Whom he has appointed heir of all things and through whom Also, he made the world.
02:02:40: This is talking about Christ. Jesus. Is he not sufficient enough? For you for me and for the body of Christ That's right
02:02:49: You know we're a couple minutes past a two -hour mark and Justin I'm gonna tell you
02:02:56: I think we go for two more hours and we could talk and talk and talk about these things
02:03:03: But I want to warn everybody There are so many people they're gonna try to pull you away from the sufficiency of scripture and Pull you down.
02:03:13: You just said it this primrose path Into experientialism They're gonna try to pull your church out of the
02:03:20: Word of God Because once the church compromises the Word of God, it will go back to the mother of harlots
02:03:28: That's what these people are They're harlots. They're they're not true and they come out of That mother of harlots as Roman as Revelation tells us
02:03:39: We have to be men and women of discernment that refuse to accept and allow our churches ourselves to be caught up in this last day's hypocrisy
02:03:54: Yep Absolutely Absolutely, brother Brother, I really thank you so much.
02:04:02: I thank you for you know, just our friendship and Same same and just for the the great ministry that God's given you to teach because it's it's been such a blessing and and I hope that this message will reach the hearts of So many professing
02:04:24: Christians, you know in my community and around the world that pastors will repent of bringing in this false
02:04:35: Heresy, yeah and leading their congregations into This false teaching that the radio stations will repent of having
02:04:47: Matt Maurer who is a Roman Catholic priest Yeah, who is preaching to your people about?
02:04:55: the Christ of Roman Catholicism and Mariolatry and all of those things.
02:05:00: That's right Yeah, I Hope and I pray that our our true believers that the true
02:05:09: Christians out there will stand up and proclaim that there's only one way and that's through the
02:05:14: Word of God through the God of the Word and I hope you've been edified. I hope you've been blessed
02:05:21: Justin You are always a blessing to me and my heart is is just so filled
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