Video Reactions: Make As Much As You Can; Demons of Wall Street; Christ Consciousness | S6 E9

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He edits it. I might punch him. All right. We're gonna be doing some reactions to some tick tocks to some videos to things that people send in. And we're gonna be as we said in the beginning Chatting them up.

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Because you are a follower of Christ is a satanic lie. Let's stop believing that. Can we stop believing that. Can we just go ahead and like music? Well, how much money do you want to make? Well, I Don't.

I can't speak for you. But for me as much as I can. I said that though somebody that's fairly close to me. One time they said man, how much money do you wanna make? I said as much as I can. They said surely you can't mean that.

I said surely I do. Don't call me surely. You said you might not mean it but I mean as much as I can. Yeah. That's something that's so greedy is it. You're assuming my motive is I want to make it so that I can go buy something.

I can't already buy. What if that has nothing to do with it? What if I just want to make as much money as I can just because I don't want to live below my potential. How long would you like to live not that long.

Just long enough to be comfortable? At first I thought that was Vodie Bauckham.

I Started talking. I was like, yeah, it's like no Vodie has that. Yeah voice. I don't talk that fast either. No. Yeah, he's very.

So, why do you feel like it can't be? Can't be what. But just what you were insinuating. Why do you feel like it can't be? Do you feel like Vodie Bauckham wouldn't say something like that? Oh, yeah for sure.

Well, he wouldn't say that and they just that's not how he talks I know. Yeah, that ain't Vodie so there's something wrong with what he said.

Yeah, I would say so just with the end. Did you want to go ahead? You got it just with the intention of the heart. Yeah, it would be nice to have all of this money. However, it's like what is what is your reasoning like he said?

Well, it's to live, you know above my potential like whatever. It's like, okay, but what does that mean? Yeah, like for him in particular is that you just want to make a lot of money because you want to give a lot more.

You want to be charitable with your donations? You know. You want to be intentional with your church and blessing people through that with benevolence like, you know. What is it? Yeah, and it's like I just want to be able to live comfortably.

It's like okay, but what's comfortable for you? Being comfortable for me is not comfortable for somebody else. You know what? I mean? So I don't know that's like my that's my initial but it talks about for the love of money.

There's a scripture that you know, you didn't. But yeah, that's like my initial thought.

Yeah, I mean, I think you know, I think it definitely has to do with like he's you know. Like he said the the motive behind it, you know I mean I work to make money and make money so that I can provide for my family you know got a wife and a son and a kid on the way and You know a house all that stuff but But if it was to get to a point where Sorry, I got distracted.

Anyway, if it you know, we got to a point where it was making more money so that like he was saying to buy more things or to To do more instead of like actually using that for good like yeah. Rather it's going to the church.

Like what if I could use that money to help somebody go on a mission trip? They can't afford it or to Help home somebody or clothe them based on the money that I make so I Think the Saying as much as I can in of itself.

I Wouldn't disagree with as long as the motive is for something. That's good. Yeah disagree with that. No, I Was um, like when he first said make as much money as I can I was like, all right, that's not in and of itself a positive or negative sentence.

Sure. Yeah, what do you mean as much as you can because if when you say as much as I can That can't be true because you could do things to make more money and that would not bring more glory to God. But if you mean as much as I can up into these points, well, then I'm game with that.

It was so I was tracking with him until he said I want to reach my full potential or a higher potential I don't want to yeah, he didn't want to be below because yeah Thank you, cuz then that made it be where his potential was based on how much money he made.

Yeah. You can reach a potential making zero dollars a year. Yeah.

Unemployed person over here, but I'm bored by choice. Yeah.

And I'm more fulfilled by so it depends on what you mean your potential. I Have never seen Jesus's w -2 when he was on earth. But it was a very low because the Bible says the women's you ever wondered that by the way, cuz I did the women's.

He definitely W to me all his 12. Yeah, he wasn't a 1040 guy. Yeah, he's like Oh 12 disciples all y 'all quit your job how'd they make money the women sold the stuff. Yeah, and a couple of my business it said it's a verse in Luke.

It says that they supply the needs of the ministry actually chosen the shows that yeah decently. But at any rate, I guess I was tracking with him until he said reach your potential because then he equated potential with salary.

Yes, I didn't think about that. But yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, and I feel like with a lot of these videos and stuff. Especially with the context like we're on this podcast. These are we don't know what we're about to see.

It's been provided to us and then We're expecting to hear something, you know, like I feel like at least for me. My subconscious is just like, okay. I'm on guard. Like a lot. Yeah, how much but like I feel like a lot of the problem for me was the delivery was just like, you know, like how his Personality was and his delivery was just like I said, um, hold on and then it's like, okay.

He was not saying anything crazy. And then he said Yeah, then it was like, oh, I don't want to live below my potential. It's like a Yeah, the the body language and the tone of the voice but it's a fair thing for you to Not as much her and I but for you to it should be a goal of yours to move up in.

The roles and the jobs that you to have and make more money based on you bettering yourself. For that company boss, whatever right? Yeah, so that should be your goal. So that's what it's meant by as much as you can that I agree with that.

Yeah, you don't want to stay stagnant in your professional. I agree with that a worker is worthy of his wages. But if We took that as okay, and that is Determining where your limit your potential is as far as your value is well, then now we are making that how valuable you are.

Yeah, someone told me this last week Someone's doing very well at work right now, and they told me It doesn't really mean anything. It's only worldly success. I said, that's not true. It depends on what you use that for it determines if it's just worldly success or not.

Yeah, that's not true at all but yeah, I think I Think the balance is you should want that to progress in that to improve yourself as an employee. Mm-hmm. But not at the expense of that is where my value comes from.

So let's talk about I'm giving a very beginning statement because I feel like we shouldn't skip that. He said the idea that God wants you to be broke as a joke and ready to choke is a satanic lie. Where do we think is that?

Is that a satanic lie or is that what God calls for some people or what what part of that sentence? Is truthful and what's lie? So This is this is something we've done a really bad balance one. No, no y 'all got this one.

There's something we've done a bad balance on for example we'll have people do a word search and Like the word treasure and then assume every time Jesus used that word. He's talking about actual money.

No, he's not. No, he's not so then they'll say something like what Jesus talked about money more than he did this topic. Nobody did it. You just said a word search on the word treasure and stuff like that, right?

The flip side of that is also true. There was only one person in the entire Bible That God told to sell all his possessions. That's exactly and it's because God knows hearts and I don't yeah, I knew what that guy loved more than God.

Right. He did Tips but yeah, I mean add to whatever you want. So the point is Does God want you to be broke as a joke without hope or what? What was it broke as a joke and ready to choke? Yeah. No, he was trying to be fun.

But I didn't think it was very funny in general. No individually maybe right? Maybe right, right. That's the thing. Like you that was the case for Peter. Yeah, you can't make general statements like that I mean every one of the disciples.

He's like, all right, come on. Yeah. All right, go ahead and leave. I don't even have money to pay taxes go find that on the fish. Yeah, so it's like we can't really make general statements like that and I think that's why a lot of our spirits.

You know, the little alarm bells kind of started ringing. It's like you can't speak for God exactly. For every situation about what God wants for each individual there are some things like he calls all sinners to repentance.

There's some things that God might want, you know, whether or not he's gonna will it to be is another thing. But yeah, you can't really say God wants everybody to be rich. Or God wants everybody to live.

You know, yeah, but to say it's a satanic lie like I'm like, all right, calm down me Elaine is a hater. She made fun of us when we get into three last time. We have to do at least four. Oh God, Elaine is a reaction.

One more thing about Like stewarding your finances appropriately. It's like if one of the reasons why you're broke is because you're going to McDonald's every day and you know Like buying all this crap you don't need then that's like the reason you're broke.

You need to fix that. Right. And there have been people that I've talked to Personally who made more than my husband and I did in a year combined and they were living paycheck to paycheck because it is right.

Yeah, it's called packing your lunch and being intentional. That's how you don't do that don't do that don't do that I do.

Okay, but anyway steward your finances. Well people that's all I'm saying. And on to the next video. I like these reactions. Especially having my Saturn believe in God.

I mean what you can save you. If you're a cosmologist what you should say is Where we know that the universe was very hot and dense 13 .8 billion years ago. We don't know how it got hot and dense. We don't even know actually if the universe had a beginning in time.

Don't know. Science doesn't rule out the existence of a creator.

In the sense that I just said that I think we're overstepping the mark. I Do not believe there's any evidence for a creator. However, and I don't like the antagonism that Occurs or is produced by this question.

The point is that the correct thing to say is we don't even know whether the universe had a beginning. I don't even know whether it was eternal. Nobody does so so that that was the points I was making.

I think we're over we're stepping into an area where we don't really need to be.

Okay, can I open on this one? Sure. So the first thing he mentions is cosmologists. So cosmology is a study of the beginning. Yeah, it's a study of the beginning. Okay, and so then he goes after that to say that he doesn't think that there's any evidence that there was a beginning.

So he's insinuating that the universe or all creation or all being or is is in Simply put a circle a loop. There's no beginning. There's no end is circular and it just but however, the entire idea of cosmology, which is the argument he's claiming to make is Everything that is had a beginning and so and he was just like well, well all the particles it got dense.

I got hot. We don't know how that happened. Which you know, we don't even know where those particles happened we don't know where those particles could have happened because in order for that to happen there to had to been space in order for there to be space or to had to been something to Put that space there.

All right, right and so it's like if we're talking about something that something had to have had a beginning regardless of When that was so I Agreed that sometimes this type of questioning and the way that these they are answered can be antagonistic.

And that's the fault of people on both sides. However, I would say That he's also holding a very silly position That is a lot more philosophical than it is scientific because yes, he's saying that a scientific sounds like Sounds like a cop-out of like Well, we can't really prove this this and this because we don't really know How it all started and I'm like that seems like a really easy answer to say that you don't believe in God.

Like it's super easy to throw out that argument. Just but you can't even prove anything else. Yeah, which is kind of which I think Exactly what you're saying is I think is so right is it's proving that he is he's arguing science with philosophy.

And his philosophy is since we don't know we might as well. Not, you know. Not put our money towards a certain thing. He says like well, actually the scientific method is you go with where the evidence leads?

Yeah, not, you know, if you can't a hundred percent know then you might as well not have an opinion on it so I think I think That's Brian Cox. I know him. To try it again. Heard whatever I Think one Good thing.

He did say when we talk about proof. We've talked about dimension proof and evidence on here before I think but if not a quick refresher I cannot prove to anybody. There is a God no atheist can prove to me.

There is not That was admitted by him just now. We don't know. It's a matter of a preponderance of evidence. Where does the evidence lead me to very few things? Can you prove proof is a mathematical term, right?

You know, you remember in geometry class man. Don't bring a proof three proof for proof is a mathematical term. You can only prove a few things. It's about where the evidence leads. That's the idea behind it.

So No, this might not have been what he was getting at. So I agree that That there are mysteries in the universe sure. Okay. Now the difference between he and I is I believe there are mysteries in universe because an eternal God created it and we are still Figuring that out after 6 ,000 years.

Absolutely. Absolutely. So it is interesting to me how someone could say because if the universe had the beginning Then that necessitates the need for creator, right? If the universe is eternal what you're asking me to believe.

You're you're telling me it's silly for me to believe or there's no evidence to believe there is a creator. And there's no evidence to believe that the universe is eternal. But one is less likely than the other right that's intriguing to me because you're trying to get me to believe That this universe is eternal.

Here's my problem with that. Every piece of evidence I see on the planet and outside the planet the evidence Overwhelmingly with 100 accuracy is that it is not eternal. I see where it came from and I see where it goes.

I See where it came from. I see where it goes. It disappears. It dissolves it breaks apart and I see it have beginning. I Can you know over long periods of time we can see things form we see things start we see things come to life.

So everything in this universe screams it had a beginning and it's not eternal. So I would need some level of evidence to show me universe was eternal on the other hand I can't prove to you. There's a God but I have overwhelming evidence and yeah, and it's not like a couple of things.

No, you say overwhelming 100 agree with I Have no choice Intellectually, but to believe in God to do to not would be to go against what I believe to be a ponderance of evidence. Like natural natural revelation.

Oh, I mean, yeah I just don't see how like, you know, my dad always used to say he's you know, he's He loves like studying like the anatomy of the body and how things work and he said He said if you just take the human eyeball, you know by itself and leave out everything else and the way it works.

He said I just cannot deny that. There is a creator behind. It's crazy. Just eyeball not including right? Yeah.

See is so wild and the development of the baby and like every yeah, I was telling my husband last night Like certain points in the pregnancy your body will release a hormone called What is it? Relaxin or something.

It's essentially where your body sends a hormone through your body to relax certain muscles and things to allow things to loosen up. Like right now my back is killing me. But I told my husband I said my body Automatically knows how to do that in order to prepare for this growing baby in order to like come out and it's I'm like I just don't understand like that just happens.

There's actually a video that happens to all women who are pregnant. Yeah, there's a video online.

I can't remember the title of it. But it kind of it kind of shows like a time-lapse stuff like the baby grown in the womb. It's a beautiful thing I've seen it. It's wild friggin awesome. Can I get more on that?

Please do do it. I went on the men's fishing trip two weeks ago and I Was talking with somebody we were off by ourselves and this water strider don't think of the Wolverine episode. But this water strider was walking on water.

Y 'all seen this if it moves its feet fast stuff. It's so light and it has so many legs. But it's so light and as in the flags it doesn't break the surface tension of the water. So it doesn't sink because it doesn't ever break the surface tension because it's so light.

Now I want you to just Let's pretend there's no God any of that stuff. For a moment, this isn't the point-taking Christian podcast. This is just the point-taking podcast. Just stay with me for a minute how Did that creature?

Evolve over millions of years to have the ability to walk on water without drowning all of its Genetic and DNA in the bottom of that lake. How did it continue that and that be able to do that, how would it have survived that because you can't tell me Evolutionary that the first time it stepped on the water it survived, right?

So how did it develop that over millions of years? That is? That's unbelievable. I mean that the literal sense. I can't believe that like that's crazy.

That's that's what never made sense to me when talking about evolution. I'm like, well, how did how did they continue right now?

Right now every one of us are paying money for that to be taught. We have to Don't the only way that theory would work is if they it started out with millions of them. They could watch they could observe what happens.

They could they could have the already the ability to process that information and then to adapt past that yeah, and with attempts over attempts over and since Evolutionary model says intelligence has evolved also correct.

They can't be believable. And then if it didn't here, how did it come from? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, when you just again going back to like the anatomy of the body you're going to back to you know all the different planets and the stars and the ocean and you know, you go.

You go to the Grand Canyon. You look at that thing. You're like like how could this just Be from looks like water. No, no. Oh, yeah, kinda. Yeah, but there's signs there. That's a shell million Seashell Canyon, that's the craziest thing to me.

We have crustaceans on top of mountains. That's crazy to me. It's almost like the Bible was true. It's almost like there's a worldwide flood. Yeah. Yeah, I would like to know what this guy's view of time is because like if time doesn't have a beginning How do you quantify it?

But he does believe that because he said 13 .8 billion years ago. It got hot and exploded. Right, no, no, he wasn't. I don't think that's what he was saying was his can we rewatch it again because Was eternal he doesn't know he's saying that 13 .8 billion years ago, which is the normal start.

He's saying I agree. It exploded 13 .8 million years ago. Some people say it's beginning. Some people say it was eternal before that, but that's what I got. Gotcha. Gotcha. Time on the explosion. So he hasn't a time of the explosion of 13 .8.

They change it from 13 .1 to 13 .8. By the way anybody wondering about that type of topic and what we're trying to discuss with the time is that in order for time to exist there Has to be something outside of time to put it in a motion.

So absolutely what is what was God's first creation? A lot of people say it was light or what but Genesis 1 1 in the beginning. Yeah, the first thing God created was time the beginning, right? So God is has to be outside of time outside of space.

He's what we're called the uncaused first cause and the unmoved mover so he is what. Started that and put it into position. So Logically, we can't really believe in a circular time with no beginning and no end because time is linear.

I mean you'd have to argue that time is some nonlinear. Which I don't I don't have enough information to base that argument off of yeah. And I don't want to because it's nonsensical to me but yeah, God somebody has to press play that in simple terms to Make time start and that's what we're arguing is silly that the whole thing can't be eternal.

Yeah, I mean, I think you know, we can make. We can all make so many arguments. It would just like totally like blow that out of the water. But like as far as like the individual himself like. You know, he probably is somebody that like genuinely believes what he says.

Yeah, you're right but I think a lot of times what people do is they reject the truth so much and they lie to themselves so much that. They forget the lie that they told themselves as an actual lie. So they just cause themselves to believe it, you know, and I'm not saying that's the case with this person, you know.

He could be just selling a bunch of you know, bullcrap because he thinks you know, people are gonna buy it, you know but I just Honestly, I just can't like walk outside and think like my mind can't even like comprehend all of the different things that we see in This universe and I'm like, there's just there's just no way there's no way this cuz this couldn't be from a creator.

Yeah, man, it's everything is so intentional. Absolutely.

One. Yeah intentional. I like that. Yeah. It's almost like he knew what he was doing. He had a plan for everything.

Everything has a purpose and absolutely it just doesn't all happen like that and work cohesively.

Universal everything works. Oh, well. Yeah, if you want to look into what they're talking about, that's universal constants. You can google it. He's a sharp dude. I like him. No, he's such a good host.

You're a very better than you're no I mean you are very intelligent. Whatever people. So they can remove responsibility from. So real quick question, so the boom-bop how y 'all did get that from yeah super hot fire.

What I've been doing for so long like boom bop. Yeah, he's like this whole time two and a half men. I'm about to ruin this man's whole career. Where he raps with Chris rock, did you know that? Oh, yeah like back like back in the day.

It's like I was like 13 years ago something crazy, but he did a right See welcome to. We'll get back on it, but I just I just love band. He said dude, you're so smart I get your reference. You've been doing so to be to be smart and have a personality like, you know.

All right. No, but I cuz you know, you barely have either one of those Tigerly have one not barely. All right. Well, that's a great that's a great way to go into the last. But it's funny, but so stupid.

It's what funny. Thank you. I'm afraid to say The last thing I'll say is one thing that I want to warn people about when you're getting into these type of conversations. Especially when it comes into cosmology because there's a little bit of truth to what he said.

He said but but listen to what he said I don't like the antagonistic attitude when it comes to this topic. Oh, he did say that which which is. Somewhat fair because a lot of the times whatever your opinion is on this topic it seems so blatantly obvious and silly to even be talking about it a lot of the time that when you.

Then when when Christians would respond and when non-christians respond, it seems to be a little you know. Man I'm trying to think of a different word for antagonistic. But yeah antagonistic, you know, but It seemed to me and I don't know this guy.

This is the only clip I've ever seen of this guy and it seems like he has his own opinions. Formulated but it seems to me that there is an attitude of Please just let me believe what I want to believe and leave me alone.

Yeah. Yeah, I was like Make sure not to get to that point where it's just like okay. Just because somebody might speak to you poorly or speak down to you about your opinions. Doesn't mean you have to lock in and you know.

Just double down and say well because now that I have the moral high ground. I now have the you know Educational high ground or I have like the high ground on my topic. It's not true. It's not necessarily true.

Yeah, it's over Anakin. Imagine don't try it. You want to make my power you quoted episode four? There is a underestimate my power. Don't try it. He says that in yeah, yeah, did you say four? Well, he quoted for he says I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine.

You said that I've become more possible than you could possibly imagine. Oh, I said you want to make my power. No be all back the clip. Is this real? He's the one who says if you strike me down and we'll come become more powerful you possibly but he says that in episode four.

Yeah, I just said that which is episode one not for new. Hope is one the people who just watch this play out. You know what happened? Let's go ahead and go on. I agree with on to the next video.

Perhaps the most famous veil in the Bible is in the book of Exodus God delivered his people. They got together and they created a golden calf and they worshipped it. You would worship bail if you wanted to succeed and be affluent and live a lavish lifestyle.

Bail is typified as a bull. A calf is a baby bull. They were worshipping bail and see what happens is we read the Bible and we think those people are primitive. Thankfully, we've moved beyond that sort of primitive thinking.

I know what he's about to say. Thankfully. We don't worship a bale or bull. Yes, we do. This is right next to the New York Stock Exchange. If we were Hebrews from the Old Testament, we would say well There's bail the golden bull and we worship him because we want a bull or bale.

Market a bull or bale market is a thriving market. What I'm telling you is this we're dealing with new days. But old demons I've said this for a long time if the people change and things don't that means that the spirit working through them.

Is the same?

Is that? Mark Driscoll. Yeah, that's a dope album cover at the very end. That music though, it was like Zp Music sounded like it came from like Pride and Prejudice or something. Like, you know, I'm talking about you're seeing.

Yeah, that's what it's like. Why is this one? Why is that so can we make sure can we open this up with? Explaining what bail is sure. Sure. Bail is the false Gods Of the Canaanite religions in what we would call Israel Palestine if you prefer to be wrong.

In any in those those false gods gods of fertility gods of cultivation. And unfortunately, those are what many of the Israelites ended up worshiping. What he just referenced is when Moses went on that mountain for 40 days.

And then they were making images of the Gods in the surrounding areas including a golden calf a golden bull. Idiots I know.

He comes with these Commandments and then comes back down and then Aaron's supposed to be in charge of them and then they're just making idols and you're like Israelites, it's so quick to.

Yeah, it's not it was like but we're like that hundred years. Yeah, but we're like that. We're so dumb. So yeah, we're just like this. I am we're dumb, but we're not stupid. Yeah. Maybe stupid, but I'm not dumb.

Patrick, thank you. I'll give them that appreciate your sponge ball. I agree with the Old Demons new days in other words, right nothing new under my son. I think that's a right way to think about it. Sure I also agree with what Anna quoted earlier The love of money is rude of all types of evil.

All types of evil from the love of money if you love money. So I agree with that as well. I Would not say that Everyone in the society worships and I would also not say that the physical bull in the New York Stock Exchange Isn't a literal bail.

However bulls are just cool however. Yeah. I Know what you're talking about because the colors change on the Breasts of statues you'll see like it's a different shade. That was amazing. Look it up. No, actually, you know, you don't have to do that.

Yeah. You can't explain that search. So We don't endorse that Google search At any rate Transitioning from that. I will say this so again. Yeah, the idea of the bull is just that it's an aggressive market right?

Yeah, so I will say this I think it is clear in this society that we do in General worship money. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a fact. I mean we will throw it entire lives at something with no end goal in sight and no Day-to-day purpose except to make money.

Yes.

Said in the first tick-tock. It's just like as much as I can make and it's just like you're never satisfied.

Yeah, like like death of a salesman. Yeah, like that like that kind of idea I think sometimes if you'll do it like subconsciously, they're not like. It's like mr. Krabs, but I'm not going as far as to equate that to that necessitates that type of Idol worship, you know, but I will say the idea of an idol is that which is put in priority and honor above God.

That can be anyone that can be family members like we can do that with anything. Yeah, and I also feel like he was being just a little bit too strict with the word bail. So like yeah, and this is where I would like some guidance and correction because of my knowledge I'm not a hundred percent confident.

So it is my understanding that bail Was a net was a name for many things. They would just create Something and they would call it bail and bail could be another word for master. Yeah, that'd be great.

Yeah, and then it became more than you like to say. Well, I'm your bail like no because that's now Julius Caesar and then any leader after that room would just be called Caesar or whatever, right? Yeah, so there might be a specific God of.

And there was Cesar Romero the weather God but also that name could be used to refer to any false. God. That's the idea mind it like you just said, okay. Yeah, so the the symbolism of the bull doesn't necessarily have to it wasn't always a wreck.