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Boom, bop, and pow! Welcome back to the Point Taken Podcast, the only podcast where we make and take spiritual and biblical questions and chat it up.
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I'm not going to think of any other adjectives, Pastor Josiah Shippley. I always feel so important whenever he introduces me.
I know. See, that's why I see so much better of it. The third funniest pastor. Sorry. It's not even close.
Which is a great transition to joining us lastly, the beautiful, the incredible, the very tall and handsome,
Benjamin Bowen. Benjamin. Benjamin. Benjamin.
Benjamin. I'm handsome now with the beard back. You're handsome all the time. That's the other accent we did.
Without the beard. When you shaved your beard. You're the only person ever that has said that. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Because I love your heart.
That's what I see. I see the beauty. Dude, I just cried on the inside. Can I be a hundred percent with you?
When you shaved your beard and I saw you, have you ever seen videos of kids seeing their dad and crying?
Yeah. Because it's like it's not the same person anymore. part of me was just like, where'd he go?
Yeah, Matthew was not a fan of it either. I was like, you just looked at me, I was like, you like it? He went, no. Amber called me,
Amber called me and said, is this a biblical reason for divorce? That's what happened.
Well, see, the first time I was like a visitor. The first time I ever met you. He got a visitor card. Yeah, I did a double take.
I did a double take with you. I was just like, wait. The first time I ever met you, I saw you on the street.
I saw you on Highway 64 after you had replaced me. Yeah. And I saw you and you had a big, giant beard and I said, look at this guy.
You weren't so bad at your job, man. But look, look, what happened back then, I was patchy.
I couldn't grow a beard like this. Well, today, guys, we don't really have a topic. What we're gonna be doing is we're gonna be doing reactions.
If he edits it, I might punch him. We're gonna be doing some reactions to some TikToks, to some videos, to things that people send in.
And we're gonna be, as we said in the beginning, chatting them up. Chatting them up. And you guys are welcome to join us for the ride here and for this conversation.
So, to our tech team, our illustrious, wonderful tech team crew.
Handsome, beautiful. Let's go. Beautiful tech team crew. And that would include Landon, if he can. Let's play the video.
This whole idea that you're supposed to be broke as a joke and ready to choke because you are a follower of Christ is a satanic lie.
Let's stop believing that. Can we stop believing that? Can we just go ahead and people say, well, how much money do you want to make?
Well, I can't speak for you, but for me, as much as I can. I said that to somebody that's fairly close to me one time.
They said, man, how much money do you want to make? I said, as much as I can. They said, surely you can't mean that. I said, surely I do. Don't call me
Shirley. If you said it, you might not mean it, but I mean as much as I can.
Yeah. And somebody goes, that's so greedy. Is it? You're assuming my motive is
I want to make it so that I can go buy something I can't already buy. What if that has nothing to do with it?
What if I just want to make as much money as I can just because I don't want to live below my potential? How long would you like to live?
Not that long, just long enough to be comfortable. At first I thought that was Vodie Bauckham. Like at first glance, and I was like, oh,
I don't think it is. Then we started talking, I was like, can't be. No, Vodie has that voice. He don't talk that fast either.
No, yeah, he's very. So why do you feel like it can't be? Can't be what? But just what you were insinuating.
Why do you feel like it can't be? Do you feel like Vodie Bauckham wouldn't say something like that? Oh yeah, for sure. Well, he wouldn't say that and he just, that's not how he talks.
I know, I know Vodie Bauckham. His voice isn't as deep, yeah, that ain't Vodie. So is there something wrong with what he said?
Yeah, I would say so. Did you wanna go? No, go ahead, you got it. Just with the intention of the heart.
Yeah, it would be nice to have all of this money. However, it's like, what is your reasoning?
Like he said, well, it's to live above my potential, like whatever. It's like, okay, but what does that mean?
Like for him in particular is that you just wanna make a lot of money because you wanna give a lot more.
You wanna be charitable with your donations. You wanna be intentional with your church and blessing people through that with benevolence.
It's like, you know, what is it? And it's like, I just want to be able to live comfortably. It's like, okay, but what's comfortable for you?
Being comfortable for me is not comfortable for somebody else, you know what I mean? So I don't know, that's my initial, but it talks about for the love of money and sin.
There's a scripture that you didn't have to write down that we talked about, but yeah, that's like my initial thought.
Yeah, I mean, I think it definitely has to do with, like he said, the motive behind it.
I mean, I work to make money and make money so that I can provide for my family.
I got a wife and a son and a kid on the way and a house, all that stuff.
But if it was to get to a point where, sorry, I got distracted.
Anyway, if it got to a point where it was making more money so that, like he was saying, to buy more things or to do more instead of actually using that for good, like, yeah, rather it's going to the church.
What if I could use that money to help somebody go on a mission trip that can't afford it or to help home somebody or clothe them based on the money that I make?
So I think the saying as much as I can in and of itself,
I wouldn't disagree with as long as the motive is for something that's good.
Would you disagree with that? No, I was, like when he first said make as much money as I can,
I was like, all right, that's not in and of itself a positive or negative sentence. Sure, yeah.
Yeah, I was like, what do you mean as much as you can? Because if when you say as much as I can, that can't be true because you could do things to make more money and that would not bring more glory to God.
Fair enough, yeah. But if you mean as much as I can up until these points, well then, I'm game with that. So I was tracking with him until he said,
I want to reach my full potential or a higher potential, I don't want to. Yeah, yeah. He didn't want to be below his potential.
Yeah, thank you. Because then that made it be where his potential was based on how much money he made.
Yeah. You can reach your potential making zero dollars a year. Yeah. Here. Up top.
Unemployed person over here. Unemployed by choice. Yeah, by choice. Yeah. And I'm more fulfilled. If it's for a good reason.
And I'm more fulfilled by that. So, it depends on what you mean, your potential. I have never seen
Jesus' W -2 when he was on earth, but it was very low because the Bible says the women. You ever wondered that, by the way?
Because I did. The women's. He definitely had a W -2, man. All his 12, yeah, he wasn't a 1040 guy. He's like, oh, 12 disciples, all y 'all quit your job.
How'd they make money? The women sold the stuff. Yeah. And a couple of them had business. It says, it's a verse in Luke.
It says that they supplied the needs of the ministry. Actually, Chosen shows that decently. But at any rate,
I guess I was tracking with him until he said reach your potential because then he equated potential with salary.
Yes. I didn't think about that, but yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, and I feel like with a lot of these videos and stuff, especially with the context, like we're on this podcast.
These are, we don't know what we're about to see. It's been provided to us and then we're expecting to hear something.
I feel like at least for me, my subconscious is just like, okay, I'm on guard. I was gonna say something more crazy, honestly.
So I feel like a lot. Where's the poop? Where's the poop, Robin? Where's the poop, Robin? Where's the poop, Robin? Yeah, how
I met you, that's awesome. But I feel like a lot of the problem for me was the delivery, was just like how his personality was and his delivery was just like,
I said, hold on, and then it was like, okay, well, he's not saying anything crazy. And then he said, oh,
I don't wanna live below my potential. I was like, all right.
And the body language and the tone of the voice. But it's a fair thing.
For you two, not as much her and I, but for you two, it should be a goal of yours to move up in the roles and the jobs that you two have.
And make more money based on you bettering yourself for that company, boss, whatever.
So that should be your goal. So if that's what it's meant by as much as you can, then I agree with that.
Yeah, you don't wanna stay stagnant in your professional career. I agree with that. A worker is worthy of his wages.
But if we took that as, okay, and that is determining where your limit, your potential is as far as your value is, well, then now we are making that how valuable you are.
Yeah. I had someone tell me this last week. Someone's doing very well at work right now.
And they told me, this doesn't really mean anything. It's only worldly success. I said, that's not true.
It depends on what you use that for to determine if it's just worldly success or not. That's not true at all.
But yeah, I think the balance is you should want that to progress in that to improve yourself as an employee, but not at the expense of, that is where my value comes from.
So let's talk about his very beginning statement because I feel like we shouldn't skip that. He said, the idea that God wants you to be broke as a joke and ready to choke is a satanic lie.
What do we think? Is that a satanic lie? Or is that what
God calls for some people? Or what part of that sentence is truthful and what's a lie?
So this is something we've done a really bad balance on. Y 'all got this one.
There's something we've done a bad balance on. For example, we'll have people do a word search and like the word treasure.
And then assume every time Jesus used that word, he's talking about actual money. No, he's not. No, he's not.
The treasure. No, he's not. So then they'll say something like, well, Jesus talked about money more than he did this topic.
No, he didn't. You just did a word search on the word treasure and stuff like that, right? The flip side of that is also true.
There was only one person in the entire Bible that God told to sell all his possessions.
That's exactly right. And it's because God knows hearts and I don't. God knew what that guy loved more than God.
Right. He didn't tell Peter. I should've called dibs on this because it's exactly what I was doing. You did it last time.
Ditto, ditto. You did it last time. You called dibs on the scripture, which is crazy to me. Dibs. But yeah, well,
I mean, add to whatever you want. So the point is, does God want you to be broke as a joke without hope?
Or what was it? Broke as a joke and ready to choke. Yeah. No. He was trying to be funny with that one.
I didn't think it was very funny. In general, no. Individually, maybe. Right. Maybe.
Right. Right, that's the thing like you can't make a case for Peter. You can't make general statements like that.
I mean, every one of the disciples, he was just like, all right, come on. All right, go ahead and leave everything behind.
Come on with it. Jesus, I don't even have money to pay taxes. Go find that other fish, man. Go do your job. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go grab that coin.
Yeah. Yeah, so it's like, we can't really make general statements like that. And I think that's why a lot of our spirits, you know, the little alarm bells kind of started ringing.
It's just like, eh, you can't speak for God exactly for every situation about what
God wants for each individual. There's some things, like he calls all sinners to repentance. There's some things that God might want, you know, whether or not he's gonna will it to be is another thing.
But yeah, you can't really say God wants everybody to be rich or God wants everybody to live, you know.
Yeah, but to say it's a satanic lie like that. No, it's just a little dramatic. I'm like, all right, calm down, man.
Elaine is a hater. She made fun of us when we gave it to three last time. We have to do at least four. Oh, good.
Because Elaine is a hater. I did want to mention one more thing about like stewarding your finances appropriately.
It's like, if one of the reasons why you're broke is because you're going to McDonald's every day and you know, like buying all this crap you don't need, then that's like the reason you're broke.
You need to fix that behavior. Yeah, that's not an income problem, it's an expenditure problem. Right, and there have been people that I've talked to personally who made more than my husband and I did in a year combined and they were living paycheck to paycheck because of their behavior.
Ben is right here, let's talk to him. It was not Ben. Yeah, when you were saying being broke off of the dollar, it literally like stuck her head, like look at him.
That's called being up top. It's called packing your lunch and being intentional.
That's how you can take money. Don't do that, don't do that, don't do that. I do most days pack my lunch.
Okay, but anyway, steward your finances well, people. That's all I'm saying. And on to the next video.
I like these reactions. Especially having a wife in the room. I believe in a God. I mean, what you can say if you're a cosmologist, what you should say is we know that the universe was very hot and dense 13 .8
billion years ago. We don't know how it got hot and dense. We don't even know actually if the universe had a beginning in time.
Don't know. Science doesn't rule out the existence of a creator. No, but in the sense that I just said that I think we're overstepping the mark.
I do not believe there's any evidence for a creator. However, I don't like the antagonism that occurs or is produced by this question.
The point is that the correct thing to say is we don't even know whether the universe had a beginning.
I don't even know whether it was eternal. Nobody does. So that was the point I was making. I think we're stepping into an area where we don't really need to be.
Okay, can I open on this one? Sure. So the first thing he mentions is cosmologists. So cosmology is a study of the beginning.
It's a study of the beginning. Okay, and so then he goes after that to say that he doesn't think that there's any evidence that there was a beginning.
So he's insinuating that the universe or all creation or all being or is, is in simply put a circle.
Like a loop. There's no beginning. There's no end. It's circular and it just, but however, the entire idea of cosmology, which is the argument he's claiming to make is everything that is had a beginning.
And so, and he was just like, well, all the particles that got dense, it got hot. We don't know how that happened, which, you know, we don't even know where those particles happened.
We don't know where those particles could have happened because in order for that to happen, there had to have been space. In order for there to be space sort of had to have been something to put that space there.
Right, and so it's like, if we're talking about something that something had to have had a beginning regardless of when that was.
So I agree that sometimes this type of questioning and the way that they are answered can be antagonistic and that's the fault of people on both sides.
However, I'd say that he's also holding a very silly position that is a lot more philosophical than it is scientific.
Because he's saying that it's scientific. It sounds like a cop out of like, well, we don't really know.
Yeah, I'm like, so what are you doing? Right, exactly. What are you doing? Well, we can't really prove this, this, and this because we don't really know how it all started.
And I'm like, that seems like a really easy answer to say that, you know, believe in God. Like, it's super easy to throw out that argument.
But you can't even prove anything else. Yeah, which is kind of, which is funny. It's kind of ironic.
Exactly what you're saying. Oh, but this doesn't prove that. Exactly what you're saying is, I think is so right, is it's proving that he's arguing science with philosophy.
And his philosophy is, since we don't know, we might as well not, you know, not put our money towards a certain thing.
He says like, well, actually the scientific method is you go with where the evidence leads.
Not, you know, if you can't 100 % know, then you might as well not have an opinion on it.
So I think, I think that's Brian Cox, I know him.
Let me try it again. I know him, I know him. I know him, I've read, heard, whatever.
I think one good thing he did say, when we talk about proof, we've talked about difference between proof and evidence on here before,
I think, but if not, a quick refresher. I cannot prove to anybody there is a God. No atheist can prove to me there is not.
That was admitted by him just now. We don't know. It's a matter of a preponderance of evidence.
Where does the evidence lead me to? Very few things can you prove. Proof is a mathematical term.
Right, yeah. You remember in geometry class? Man, don't bring up geometry. Proof three, proof four. Proof is a mathematical term.
You can only prove a few things. It's about where the evidence leads. That's the idea behind it.
So, now this might not have been what he was getting at. So, I agree that there are mysteries in the universe.
Sure. Okay, now the difference between he and I is I believe there are mysteries in the universe because an eternal God created it and we are still figuring that out after 6 ,000 years.
Absolutely, absolutely. So, it is interesting to me how someone could say, because if the universe had the beginning, then that necessitates the need for a creator.
If the universe is eternal, what you're asking me to believe, you're telling me it's silly for me to believe, or there's no evidence to believe that there is a creator, and there's no evidence to believe that the universe is eternal, but one is less likely than the other.
Right. That's intriguing to me because you're trying to get me to believe that this universe is eternal.
Here's my problem with that. Every piece of evidence I see on the planet and outside the planet, the evidence overwhelmingly with 100 % accuracy is that it is not eternal.
I see where it came from and I see where it goes. I see where it came from and I see where it goes.
It disappears, it dissolves, it breaks apart. And I see it have beginning.
Over long periods of time, we can see things form, we see things start, we see things come to life. So everything in this universe screams it had a beginning and it's not eternal.
So I would need some level of evidence to show me the universe was eternal. On the other hand,
I can't prove to you there is a God, but I have overwhelming evidence. Yeah, and it's not like a couple of things.
No. You say overwhelming evidence, which I 100 % agree with. I have no choice intellectually but to believe in God, to do, to not, would be to go against what
I believe to be a ponderance of evidence. Like natural revelation. Oh, I mean, yeah. I just don't see how, my dad always used to say he loves studying the anatomy of the body and how things work.
And he said, if you just take the human eyeball by itself and leave out everything else and the way it works, he said,
I just cannot deny that there is a creator behind it. It's crazy. Just the eyeball, not including pregnancy.
Pregnancy is so wild and the development of the baby. I was telling my husband last night, certain points in the pregnancy, your body will release a hormone called, what is it?
Relaxin' or something. It's essentially where your body sends a hormone through your body to relax certain muscles and things to allow things to loosen up.
Like right now, my back is killing me, but I told my husband, I said, my body automatically knows how to do that in order to prepare for this growing baby in order to come out.
And I'm like, I just don't understand. That just happens. There's actually a video. That happens to all women who are pregnant.
Yeah, there's a video online. I can't remember the title of it, but it kind of shows a time -lapse of the baby growing in the womb.
It's crazy. It's a beautiful thing. I've seen it. It's wild. It's friggin' awesome. Can I get one more on that? Please do. Do it.
I went on a men's fishing trip two weeks ago, and I was talking with somebody.
We were off by ourselves, and this water strider, don't think of the Wolverine episode, but this water strider was walking on water.
Y 'all have seen this. If it moves its feet fast enough, it's so light, and it has so many legs. What is it, like a bug? It's a bug, but it's so light, and it has enough legs, it doesn't break the surface tension of the water, so it doesn't sink, because it doesn't ever break the surface tension because it's so light.
Now, I want you to just, let's pretend there's no God, any of that stuff. For a moment, this isn't the point -taking
Christian podcast. This is just the point -taking podcast. Heresy. Just stay with me for a minute.
How did that creature evolve over millions of years to have the ability to walk on water without drowning all of its genetic and DNA in the bottom of that lake?
How did it continue that, and then be able to do that? How would it have survived that?
Because you can't tell me, evolutionary, that the first time it stepped on the water, it survived. So how did it develop that over millions of years?
That's unbelievable, and I mean that in a literal sense. I can't believe that. Like, that's crazy to me. That's what never made sense to me when talking about evolution.
I'm like, well, how did they continue to do this? Right now, every one of us are paying money for that to be taught.
We have to pay for that to be taught to our children. The only way that theory would work is if it started out with millions of them.
They could watch. They could observe what happens. They could have already the ability to process that information, and then to adapt past that with attempts over attempts over attempts over attempts.
And since the evolutionary model says intelligence has evolved also, that can't be believable. And then if it didn't, where did it come from?
Yeah, exactly. When you just, again, going back to the anatomy of the body, going back to all the different planets and the stars and the ocean, you go to the ocean, you go to the
Grand Canyon, you look at that thing, and you're like, how could this just be from -
Looks like water carved it out. Yeah, kind of. But there's signs there that say that was millions of years.
There's seashells in the Grand Canyon. That's the craziest thing to me. We have found crustaceans on top of mountains.
That's crazy to me. It's almost like the Bible was true. It's almost like there was a worldwide flood. Yeah. Yeah, I would like to know what this guy's view of time is.
Because if time doesn't have a beginning, how do you quantify it? But he does believe that, because he said 13 .8
billion years ago, it got hot and exploded. Right. No, I don't think that's what he was saying was his -
Can we rewatch it again? Because then he went into, oh, then it might not even be - He doesn't believe the universe was eternal. He doesn't know.
He's saying that 13 .8 billion years ago, which is the normal start point for most people. He's saying, I agree it exploded 13 .8
billion years ago. Some people say it's the beginning. Some people say it was eternal before that. But that's when it exploded. Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha.
Gotcha. So he's got a time on the explosion. So he has a time on the explosion of 13 .8. They change it from 13 .1
to 13 .8. It's only off by a few. By the way, anybody wondering about that type of topic and what we're trying to discuss with the time is that in order for time to exist, there has to be something outside of time to put it into motion.
So - Absolutely. What was God's first creation? A lot of people say it was light, but Genesis 1 .1,
in the beginning. The first thing God created was time. The beginning, right?
So God has to be outside of time, outside of space. He's what we're called the uncaused first cause and the unmoved mover.
So he is what started that and put it into position. So logically, we can't really believe in a circular time with no beginning and no end because time is linear.
I mean, you'd have to argue that time is some nonlinear, which I don't have enough information to base that argument off of, and I don't want to because it's nonsensical to me.
But yeah, God, somebody has to press play in simple terms to make time start.
And that's what we're arguing is silly that the whole thing can't be eternal. Yeah, I mean,
I think we can all make so many arguments that would just totally blow that out of the water.
But as far as the individual himself, he probably is somebody that genuinely believes what he says, right?
But I think a lot of times what people do is they reject the truth so much and they lie to themselves so much that they forget the lie that they told themself is an actual lie.
And so they just cause themselves to believe it. And I'm not saying that's the case with this person.
He could be just selling a bunch of bull crap because he thinks people are gonna buy it.
But I just, honestly, I just can't walk outside and think, my mind can't even comprehend all of the different things that we see in this universe.
And I'm like, there's just no way. There's no way this couldn't be from a creator, man.
Everything is so intentional. Absolutely. In creation. Yeah, intentional, I like that, yeah.
It's almost like he knew what he was doing and he had a plan for everything. Yeah, everything has a purpose. Absolutely. It just doesn't all happen like that and work cohesively.
Universal constants. Right, everything works so well, yeah. If you wanna look into what they're talking about, that's universal constants, you can
Google it. He's a sharp dude, I like him. No, he's such a good host. You're a very sharp dude. Way better than me.
No, I mean, you are a very intelligent individual. I mean that, you're a very intelligent individual. I wouldn't have done the Boom Bop Pow.
Whatever people call them, they sometimes are doing it so they can remove responsibility from themselves. That's what just happened.
So, real quick question. So, the Boom Bop Pow, y 'all did get that from Super Hot 5? Yes, yes, yes,
I did get that. But I'm not a rapper. Yes, you're the first person to recognize that, dude. Oh, I'm sorry, this whole time,
I thought we were doing Batman and Robin. No, he, boom. Bop Pow. He called me smart and then he recognized what
I've been doing for so long. Like, boom, bop, bada bing, pow, pow. Yeah, he's like, this whole time.
Two and a half men. I just thought it was a hundred and ten. I watched that. I'm about to ruin this man's whole career.
I am not a rapper. You haven't seen that? Oh, man, we gotta change that. Oh, man, that just made my day.
More than half of the things you guys quote, like, I've either seen years ago. Like, during the warm up before he started.
No, did you see me just sitting here? You know there's an episode of Chris Rock in it. Where he raps with Chris Rock.
Did you know that? No. Yeah, like, back in the day, it's like 13 years ago or something crazy, but he did a rap battle with Chris Rock.
See, welcome to the crowd. We'll get back on it, but I just love Van, dude.
That was awesome. Look at you. This was a good moment. That was awesome. Did y 'all respond? He said, dude, you're so smart.
By the way, I get your reference you've been doing. So, to be smart and have a personality, like, you know.
All right. No, but I. Because, you know, you barely have either one of those. All right.
I entirely have one. Not barely. All right, well, that's a great way to go into the last point on this.
He laughed. I was gonna stop, but then he laughed. So stupid it's funny, but. So stupid it's what? Funny. Thank you. I ain't afraid to say it. I don't think
I'm scared. I ain't afraid to say it. The last thing I'll say is, one thing that I want to warn people about when you're getting into these types of conversations, especially when it comes into cosmology, because there's a little bit of truth to what he said, but listen to what he said.
He said, I don't like the antagonistic attitude when it comes to this topic. Oh, he did say that.
He did say that, which is somewhat fair, because a lot of the times, whatever your opinion is on this topic, it seems so blatantly obvious and silly to even be talking about it a lot of the time, that when
Christians would respond and when non -Christians respond, it seems to be a little, you know.
Antagonistic. Man, I'm trying to think of a different word for antagonistic, but yeah, antagonistic. But it seemed to me, and I don't know this guy, this is the only clip
I've ever seen of this guy, and it seems like he has his own opinions formulated, but it seems to me that there is an attitude of, please just let me believe what
I want to believe and leave me alone. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, make sure not to get to that point where it's just like, okay, just because somebody might speak to you poorly or speak down to you about your opinions doesn't mean you have to lock in and just double down and say, well, because now that I have the moral high ground,
I now have the educational high ground or I have the high ground on my topic.
It's not true. It's not necessarily true. It's over, Anakin. I was waiting for it.
I have the high ground. Oh, he's doing the eyebrows. I become more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Don't try it.
You underestimate my power. You quoted episode four there. It was like, you underestimate my power.
Don't try it. Shoot. That's episode three that he says that in. Yeah. Did you say four?
Well, he quoted four. He says, I will become more powerful than you can ever imagine. That's when Darth Vader strikes him down. You said that.
I've become more powerful than you could possibly imagine. Joe, I said, you underestimate my power. Kenobi.
Roll back the clip. Pull up the bod. No, Kenobi. Josiah, Josiah. Is this real? Kenobi is the one who says, if you strike me down,
I'm going to become more powerful than you possibly. But he says that in episode four. I just said that. Oh, which is episode one, not four.
New Hope is one. The people who just watched this play out, you know what happened. Let's go ahead and go on to the next video.
That part, I agree with. On to the next video. Perhaps the most famous Baal in the Bible is in the book of Exodus.
God delivered his people. They got together and they created a golden calf and they worshiped it.
You would worship Baal if you wanted to succeed and be affluent and live a lavish lifestyle.
Baal is typified as a bull. A calf is a baby bull. They were worshiping Baal. And see what happens is we read the
Bible and we think those people are primitive. Thankfully, we've moved beyond that sort of primitive thinking. I know what he's about to say.
Thankfully, we don't worship a Baal or bull. Yes, we do. This is right next to the
New York Stock Exchange. If we were Hebrews from the Old Testament, we would say, well, there's
Baal, the golden bull. And we worship him because we want a bull or Baal market.
A bull or Baal market is a thriving market. What I'm telling you is this, we're dealing with new days, but old demons.
I've said this for a long time. If the people change and things don't, that means that the spirit working through them is the same.
Is that Mark Driscoll? Yeah, that's a dope album cover at the very end.
That music though, it was like. Is Baal dropping his EP? The music sounded like, it came from like Pride and Prejudice or something like.
You know what I'm talking about? Have you ever seen Pride and Prejudice? Yeah, that's what it sounded like. Why is that the music they chose?
Can we open this up with explaining what Baal is? Sure. Sure. Baal is the false gods of the
Canaanite religions in what we would call Israel, Palestine, if you prefer to be wrong. In those false gods, gods of fertility, gods of cultivation.
And unfortunately, those are what many of the Israelites ended up worshiping. What he just referenced is when
Moses went on that mountain for 40 days and then they were making images of the gods in the surrounding areas, including a golden calf, a golden bull.
Idiots. I know. It's like he comes with these commandments and then comes back down and then Aaron's supposed to be in charge of them and then they're just making titles and you're like,
God, Israelites, come on, man. It's like so quick too. I know. It's not like it was like. But we're like that.
100 years. Yeah, but we're like that, we're so dumb. So. We're just like the Israelites. We're dumb, but we're not stupid.
Yeah, sure. I may be stupid, but I'm not dumb. Patrick.
Thank you. I'll give him this. I appreciate your SpongeBob. I agree with the old demons new days.
In other words, there's nothing new under the sun. I think that's a right way to think about it. Sure. I also agree with what
Anna quoted earlier. The love of money is rude of all types of people. All types of people are from the love of money.
If you love money. So I agree with that as well.
I would not say that everyone in this society worships. And I would also not say that the physical bull in the
New York Stock Exchange is a literal bale. However. Bulls are just cool. However.
Have you seen the balls? Yeah. So. People touched. So yeah. Thanks for that,
Anna. It's all right. It's cool. It's all right. It's all right. I was like, no, it's like a whole thing.
You can't control yourself, could you? She cannot control herself. I mean, it's crazy. No, but I think
I know what you're talking about because the colors change on the statues. And people will take pictures of them.
So it's usually on the breasts of statues. You'll see like it's a different shade. That was amazing. Look it up. No, actually, you don't have to do that.
Yeah. You don't have to just. You can't explain that search. So we don't endorse that Google search.
We on behalf of Anna would like to apologize for what has happened. We did not endorse that Google search. At any rate, transitioning from that.
I will say this. So again, yeah. The idea of the bull is just that it's an aggressive market.
That's the idea behind it. So I will say this. I think it is clear in this society that we do, in general, worship money.
Yeah. I mean, I think that's a fact. I mean, we will throw our entire lives at something with no end goal in sight and no day -to -day purpose except to make money.
Yeah, well, it's like what that guy said in the first TikTok. It's just like, as much as I can make, and it's just like, you're never satisfied.
Yeah, like death of a salesman. Yeah. Like that kind of idea. I think sometimes that people do it subconsciously.
They're not like, ooh, money, money, money. But it's like, oh. Mr. Krabs. But I'm not going as far as to equate that to that necessitates that type of idol worship.
But I will say the idea of an idol is that which is put in priority and honor above God.
That can be anyone. That can be family members. Like, we can do that with anything. Yeah, and I also feel like he was being just a little bit too strict with the word
Baal. So like, and this is where I would like some guidance and correction because of my knowledge.
I'm not 100 % confident. So it is my understanding that Baal was a name for many things.
They would just create something and they would call it Baal. And Baal could be another word for master. Would that be correct?
Yeah. And then it became more than, you can't just say, well, I'm your Baal. Like, no, because that's now kind of deified. So you know how like Julius Caesar and then any leader after that in Rome would just be called
Caesar or whatever? Right, yeah. So there might be a specific God of...
And then there was Caesar Romero. The weather. Fertility. There might be a specific God, but also that name could be used to refer to any false
God. That's the idea behind it, like you just said. Okay, yeah. So the symbolism of the bull doesn't necessarily have to be so direct.
It wasn't always a bull. Right, right. So it was like, it didn't have to be so correct, like direct as like, oh, well, there's a bull outside the stock market and we all know that money is evil.
We all know that New York has a whole lot of sinners. So surely, surely.
Sinners. I was like, well. New York is kind of crazy. You said sinners very sinisterly. Well, you know,
I was trying to think of a word. I don't know. After what Anna said, I think everything's allowed right now.
Yeah, so I was like, yeah, we don't have to draw so hard and definitive lines and then put it to your sheep and say this is 100 % what's happening.
I feel like that as a pastor is a little bit reckless. Well, he's pretty controversial from what
I've seen. Can you say that word again? Controversial. There it is. What did I say the first time?
You said controversial. Controversial. And I was just wondering if that was consent. Words are hard.
No, words are hard. I can't words. They actually are difficult. I can't word. No, but he's pretty much that word.
Now I'm, now I'm going. No, no, you have it right. I was just seeing if like, oh, is that how she always says it? No, probably not.
No, but that thing came out in the news recently. Like he got, became viral. Have you not heard about this?
That's the first time I've ever seen that. Okay, so this guy, if you haven't heard, he went to this men's conference and he was actually one of the speakers.
And before the Friday night, there was like an entertainment portion of the conference.
And they hired, it was a guy who was on America's Got Talent and he was a performer.
He, what did he do? Sword swallowing. Sword swallowing. And took his shirt off. But he, but he like is actually a stripper.
And so he like took off his shirt. Wait, that guy? Yeah, but he. No, no, not the pastor. No, no, no, no, no, no, the performer.
The pastor. Wow, this took a while. The pastor was at a men's conference and the pre -show to him.
Was this guy. before he spoke on the Bible, was that guy. And so he called him out on that, and then the guy who was the pastor who was leading the conference told him to get off the stage.
It's like a whole thing. So in that sense, he did correct.
With one exception, I think. So he's right. That's unacceptable to have that at a men's conference.
For three or four reasons. The other pastor said, here's my problem.
He was just with me backstage for 30 minutes and didn't tell me he was going to say any of that, and waited until he got on the stage to say it. He didn't try to correct me.
He mentioned the scripture. Is it a Matthew? He was talking about Matthew 18. He was backstage with the pastor over the whole conference.
And never mentioned it. And then when it was his turn to speak, yeah. So church discipline, all that stuff.
He called him out. He was the one I've seen his name around, but I haven't seen him.
Yeah, like I said, I've heard mixed things about him, so that's why I was kind of hesitant when we watched that last video.
But that was like we did the right thing in the wrong way. There you go. Yeah. It could have been done differently.
We don't know if it was intentional or just a basic mistake. Well, that was one of the arguments that somebody made was that they, it's like, well, the pastor probably has people who, you know, like we have
Char for your dad, and like Carrie for your dad, and like all these other people who do things, like they have jobs.
It's like, just get somebody to do this. And so he might have trusted this one person who was hiring the entertainment to vet this guy, and didn't he just trusted them?
Or he knew what he was doing and what he'd had as an occupation previously.
Wow. So I don't know. It's like there's just so many ins and outs of that, and what ifs and like just unknowns.
So it's, I don't know. It was just pretty crazy, but that was in the news. Like, well, I say the news, it went viral like a couple of weeks ago.
Yeah. Real quick about the dude talking about, not Mark, the guy before that.
The first TikTok? Yeah. The first, was it the first one? No, the second one. Okay. The second one. One of this? No, not one of this.
The Vodibakam? No, no. Between those two, the one he was talking about. Brian Cox, the cosmologist.
Okay, gotcha, gotcha. You were wrong, you were wrong, but I knew. It makes me think about Vodibakam because we were making an argument about we could clearly have evidence that God's existence and everything.
He said in one of his videos, he wasn't even preaching. He was teaching a lesson. It looked like it was at a college or something.
He said, the reason I believe the Bible is because it is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses that report supernatural events and claim that their writings are divine and not human in origin.
I was like, that's a pretty good stinking argument. Then it's like an hour long after that where he goes, breaks it all down.
Y 'all should check it out. If you've got somebody that's struggling with that, tell them to look up Vodibakam's Why I Believe the Bible. It is intense.
It is awesome. Okay, I know exactly what I'm going to be watching later. His Love and Marriage series is really good too. It's bad to the bone.
You'll be like, this dude killed it. That was rough.
I liked it. I support it. I cringed at that. I have to say, one person at this table supports you.
I still love you, Pastor. But it's the second most important person at the table. I just thought his daughters have to listen to that in the car.
They are stuck, and his wife are stuck with him in the car when he has to sing. Where did all this hate originate from?
What happened to you? I mean, he makes one song reference.
I'm not holy. I'm not holy. When you were talking about making more money... That's crazy.
When you were talking about... Y 'all want to go ahead and talk about my height? Are you wearing your boots today?
Sia, Sia, you said earlier... Yes, I sure am. You said earlier not... Here they are, right here.
These two are different. Why did that just happen? How many inches of height do those have?
At least I always do. Not enough. You're still short with them on. Here it is. So who cares?
There we go. What I was going to say is earlier when you're talking about the money, and you're talking about... Yeah, money.
It's different for y 'all. Y 'all strive to move up and stuff. I said, well, if you're the funniest pastor, you might make more money.
That's what I was going to say. But I chose not to say it because I didn't want to hurt your feelings. And then he just said it anyway. But now we're going to say it.
Now I don't care. Because it's time to pile on. Now, yeah, I mean... Why not? I'm with you. We're already poking the bear.
Might as well stab a machete in that thing at this point. You can't stab with a machete. There's so much wrong with that.
Sure you can. No, you can't. Watch. Not well. All right. You want to do one more? Well, I wanted to close with this on that video.
And yes, then do one more. Is that when you have a... Let's say when you have any type of audience, and when you have any type of responsibility, when you're sharing knowledge, biblical knowledge,
I think it's very important to be accountable to the amount of knowledge that you have.
And what I'm saying is, when you have a theory, don't preach it as fact.
And especially if you're a pastor and you're responsible for your flock, don't just throw your theory out as this is 100%.
That's true. This is what the world is. Hey, man, there's bits of truth in that, and there's bits of your opinion in that that may or may not.
But make sure to differentiate between the two. Right. If you don't know for sure, be like, hey, on this one, this is why
I think this way. But I don't know. And that's something here at this church that we do really well. It's like, hey, on this one, do your own research.
Do your own research. This is why I believe what I believe. I have evidence for it, but I don't have proof for it.
Sometimes he's done that where he's actually given a pretty good stinking answer, and then he's like, this is what scripture says.
This is, you know, seems like it's pretty clear to me, but you need to search that for yourself and make sure it's something along the lines of that.
Like, search it for yourself to basically don't just listen to me. Well, like, one of the things that - But you're encouraging them to be like, hey, don't just listen to me because I said it.
No, I agree with that. But if I amen that now, are you going to make sure? Your face the whole time.
Are you trying to make it up to me? How do I answer this? Oh, wait, it was Pastor Jeff. I was thinking, my bad.
All right. On to the next video. Get clear. I'm not an atheist.
I believe in the creator because I think that the quantum physics and quantum mechanics proves we're living in a creation.
However, somebody say Christ is king. You're going to find out. You understand what
Christ is. Christ is you. We're all Christ. Until you understand that, you're going nowhere.
We are all the Christ. Christ never said - Jesus never said he was coming back. He said that Christ would return.
And by that, he meant the consciousness, the Christ consciousness, the understanding, the wisdom, and ascension knowledge comes back and returns in every single person's mind.
And by that method, the return is us. We are the resurrected coming. Until you understand that, you're going nowhere.
You're going nowhere. That was extremely hard to watch. First of all, Josiah was about to lose it over here.
He was like, I can't listen to this. He kept saying, you're going nowhere. I was like, dude, your eyelids are going nowhere.
Open up. He opened up, dude. He's like. It looked like a robot.
He did. That's an android right there is what that was. That was not a real person. I hope so.
All right. I feel like, Pastor, do you need some time to find the scripture? You got it.
No, I know where I'm going here. He's about to tear it up. So the word
Christ means anointed one, the chosen one of the Old Testament. He's the promised one of the
Old Testament. That's what Christ means. How can we all be the chosen one? It's like what
I was. Right. Hold on. I have a perfect quote for this. When everyone's super, no one will be.
Does anyone know? Incredibles. I was like, oh, that is incredible syndrome. I was just laughing at your impression.
I thought it was pretty good. But anyway, it sounded familiar. Christ is the anointed one chosen one. Yeah. So Jesus said repeatedly to disciples and where I'm going, you cannot go.
But if I go, I will return and receive you where I am so that where I am, you will be also. You should just comment on that guy's video.
Jesus said that explicitly. Yeah. He said, and I go. And if I go, I will come again and receive you as I am so that where I am, you will be also.
That's what Jesus said. Jesus said. I mean, he said the same thing in Acts chapter one. He said, is it your time to restore the king of miserable?
And he said, basically, not yet. Jesus, who was taken up to heaven, this is when the angels say to him,
Jesus, who was taken to heaven, will come in the same way. Now, he said it's like Christ will return.
Jesus, Jesus, who has taken this X 111 taken up from you in the heaven will come in the same way as you saw him go to heaven.
X 111. So you just destroyed him. I'm known the Bible did.
Well, yeah, obviously, with the obvious blasphemy of we're all Christ. Christ is the promised one of God to restore the line of David and to bring salvation to his people.
That is something the person of Jesus fulfilled. Christ is not a name. It is a role is a role.
It's like. Understand what I'm saying. Whoever the father picked to fulfill the role of Christ would have been
Christ. Right. If he had picked Abraham, if he had picked David, if he picked Moses, if he picked Hunter, if he picked
Anna, if he had picked Ben, none of those people could fulfill the role. The only person that could fill the role is Jesus Christ.
I'm excuse me, Jesus, who became the Christ. So, yeah. The only one fit to be the assistant to the regional manager.
Yeah, exactly. It is the regional manager. Oh, man. Yeah. Office quotes never get old.
And that one fit like perfectly. Yeah, good. So glad we have everyone back now.
But the point is, the point is we're not all Christ. That was one role that was filled by the person of Jesus.
And he will be coming back. He said he was coming back. And yeah, so I have no idea what he means by that.
But Jesus is the Christ. So, there's that. – And we should say, anytime you're presented with some crazy thing, like this guy saying, you know, everybody's the
Christ and all that stuff. – That's a bold statement. – And you're just like, hmm, I know that's wrong.
– Yes, absolutely. – But what about it? Like, how exactly am I supposed to attack that? Remember, step one needs to be defining your terms, which is the very first thing
Pastor Josiah did. What is Christ? Christ is the anointed one. And then you need to recognize that some people commit some logical fallacies and that they claim an argument based on a lie that they're claiming is true.
So, it's like, he had this whole idea that, well, first of all, the Bible never said that, so what are you going to do? Well, if you just take that at face value, you know, this guy's getting his information based on some other guy who spoke to him the exact same way and told him, hey, you're not going anywhere until you recognize that, you know, the
Bible said that we're all the Christ. – You're going nowhere. – I've got you for three minutes. – Three minutes of playtime.
– Playtime! – In case the counter would be that Acts 1a is the angel speaking that Jesus will return, our gentleman said that Jesus never said he would come back, the
Bible said Christ would come back. John 14 verse 2, In my Father's house, this is
Jesus speaking, in my Father's house there are many rooms. If it were not so, would not I have told you,
I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and take you to myself, so that where I am you may be also.
– So, we define our terms. – I love that one. – We recognize our lies, and then usually by that point, you've already finished your argument.
– Word. – I just want to know where people like that get that from. – Start. –
Yeah, well, it starts off with a bending of the truth. – They get it from their friend's high older brother.
– Yeah, yeah. – Which he looked like he participated in. – They go over to play Halo, the big brother's in the other room.
– Hey, don't you be hating on Halo now. – Hey, don't you want to hear what the Bible actually says about the second coming?
Don't bring Halo into this. No haters for Halo. – So, wait, everyone who plays
Halo is a believer, is that your point? – No, I'm just saying don't be hating on Halo. I wasn't hating on Halo.
– Don't hate the game, hate the player. – Well, that's what you've been doing to me the whole time. – I know. – By the way, we're almost out of time. –
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