January 6, 2017 Show with Dr. Michael Cochrane on “Cutting Through the Noise on Climate Change”

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Climate Change and the Case for Skepticism

Well, today we are going to be revisiting the climate change issue. As many of you know, who listen to Iron Sharpens Iron regularly, we have had Dr. Calvin Beisner on the program a couple of times addressing this important issue, especially because the hysteria over it seems to be doing great harm to many people, millions of people around the world, especially those in the most impoverished nations who have new laws restricting their livelihood and preventing them from earning a living and providing food and shelter for their families because of this climate change hysteria that has really run amok.

And we are delighted to have today for the first time, through the recommendation of Dr. Calvin Beisner, we have as our guest today, Dr. Michael Cochran. He is a 1979 graduate of the U .S. Military Academy at West Point.

He has a PhD in engineering management and systems engineering from Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia. He's the founder of Value Function Analytics, a consulting firm that helps clients achieve their objectives by helping them to think about values.

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And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time to Iron Sharpens Iron,.

Dr. Michael Cochran. Hey, thank you so much, Chris. It's great to be here.

And let me also introduce my co-host today. Once again, visiting the studio of Iron Sharpens Iron, a man who has a background in chemistry. His name is Charlie Liebert. I almost called him doctor again.

Charlie Liebert, who is founder of sixdaycreation .com. And it's my pleasure to have you back in studio as my co-host. Thank you, Chris. It's great to be here. And let me give our listeners our email address again.

It's chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Chrisarnsen at gmail .com. And if you have a question, please give us your first name, at least your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA.

Well, first of all, Dr. Cochran, if you could tell us something about your own history and how you became so interested in this subject of climate change that you actually have researched it quite diligently and in very great depth, so much so that you are assisting corporations and businesses and organizations and so on and learning more about this question that has divided people globally as to whether or not it's a genuine phenomenon that is really posing any.

Great danger to humanity at all. Well, Chris, actually, so...

Right. I don't think I did say you... I didn't say you were a scientist, I don't think.

But I'm sorry. That's all right. Because my interest in quality of the information...

Now, if you could summarize the whole concept of what those predominantly on the left when it comes to politics, although not exclusively, I know that there are conservatives who are just as much vociferous, alarmist about climate change as those on the left, but it seems to be primarily the backyard of liberalism and leftism.

Tell us about, if you could, in summary form, what exactly is going on on the planet Earth when it comes to climate change that they think is putting not only humanity but all of nature in great peril, and why?

Well, that's not really even going to be a problem. Warming clearly would be a bad thing. I think sea levels for all life forms... Earth is warming. If it is warming and it's a problem, to what extent is this left-leaning eco...

Yes, whether or not these are atmospheric.

Conditions that are coming about by nature itself, and obviously those who are Christians would believe that this is all ordained by the sovereign hand of God controlling all things, but whether it's just a natural thing or whether we, the human race, are the villains and the culprits who are causing this, and if we are causing this, is it really going to mean the end of the existence of many life forms on this Earth and perhaps potentially or eventually us as men and women and children?

Now, what is the actual data that you are aware of about a raise in temperature on the planet Earth, and is it really any kind of realistic threat to the life of not only animals and plant life but also primarily obviously humans?

Between 1907 average global temperature... If you look at the past history, I know in some cases.

In the 19th century there was what was called the Little Ice Age. It was a time when actually there was some cooling to the extent that there was some damage in Europe from that. So climate change itself is not different.

The Earth's climate is always vacillating in some way. The question is, is it radically increasing enough to cause great damage?

Right, and there is... He wrote a book about global warming. Every 1 ,500 years interact with the Earth's climate, so 100 years or so stored the Earth's experience for it long before...

So is the question then really related to how much human activity has impacted this? Because that's what the political aspects are.

Yes, that's where the issue lies, and that's what I was trying to get to.

Okay, I understand.

Now what do you think is really going on here with those on the left, especially in the scientific arena, the halls of academia and so on, who are convinced, at least they say they're convinced, that not only is the rise in temperature globally a dangerous threat as in regards to the amount of the temperature raising, but they are convinced that anyone who would reject this, they might even go to say that they are charlatans when it comes to science, that they don't know what they're talking about, they're frauds, they're morons.

What is the motivation behind all of this? That you constantly hear, especially from leftist politicians who are hammering constantly that if anyone, especially a political figure, is doubting climate change that is dangerous to humanity, that person is a fool or a liar, one or the other.

I think, this is just my view on this, but it's shared by a number of people, that the view that human beings are causing climate change in academia and within the government and scientists and in the area of climate change, and if you're going to be able to find money, you're going to probably want to do research in the fossil fuel industry whose research is funded.

This academic.

Political correctness permeates not just climate change, because I see it in the discussion about creation or evolution. I mean the same thing happens there. Academia just has one position.

And they will not allow the discussion of another. We are going to our first station break right now. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question for our guest, Dr. Michael Cochran, regarding climate change, our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com, chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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Climate Data, Ice Caps, and the Limits of Modeling

Welcome back, this is Chris.

Arnzen. If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours with 90 minutes to go is Dr. Michael Cochran, and we are discussing cutting through the noise of climate change. If you'd like to join us on the air, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com, chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

We do have a listener in Greenboro, North Carolina, Pastor Sterling Vanderwercker. He says, I'm interested in how the foundations are set and what type of data is now compared to them. Hopefully, the more objective the foundation is, the easier it is to understand when the interpretation is flawed.

That's the first question, and I'll let you answer that.

Before I go on with any others that he has. Well, it seems like he's... Yeah, that's what it looks like, yeah. Yeah, that's who's using what data, and then a little bit deeper than that.

Some of the NASA data that I've seen are photographs of both the Arctic and the Antarctic ice caps, and they have actually been increasing in recent years, rather than declining. So,.

Doesn't that contradict it to some extent? Yeah, what I've heard is that the Antarctic, the average ice depth is a number of meters, but again, you've heard, you can put out using sources that you find credible, take that and run with it.

One of the things that I.

Wanted to point out here was that the Arctic ice cap itself actually floats on top of the ocean for the most part, which means that if it melts, the ocean does not rise one inch, and that's an important thing that most people don't understand.

Right, right. Yes, displacement. If the whole Arctic ice cap melted, it wouldn't increase the ocean level at all. Now, Antarctic would, but I'm not sure how much. I've seen very contradictory research on that.

Pastor Sterling Vanderwercker has a second question here. He says, how far back and what type of data points provide the statistics that establish the carbon-based facts.

By which the current data is compared and contrasted? I wish I had an answer. I can talk more about, that's really my interest in coming at this problem.

Well, yeah, you believe modeling climate change policy decisions using a probability tree is the wisest route to take right now, and if you could even explain to us what you mean by that.

Well, sure. What to do about climate change, to what extent is human activity, even the excess, but then you've got to ask the fourth question, will reducing this global warming. My assumption is that view of this relationship, reducing global warming.

So what you do is you are either yes to that question as if you can assign decisions you should make.

And if anybody listening would like to see the actual graphic and see the entire article that Dr. Cochran has written on modeling climate change policy decisions using a probability tree, you can email me at chrisarnsen at gmail .com and request that I send you the URL for that.

That's chrisarnsen at gmail .com. C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com. We already touched on this, but perhaps you could elaborate a little bit more. Tyler in Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York, asks, is the climate change issue more political than scientific in its agenda?

Yeah, that's a good question. If you think about it, if you can move research that's being called for in the politics, then you need to send me. The way I see it is that there's what I call eco-social, de-industrialized, de-spoiling.

Yeah. And Tyler in Mastic Beach, Long Island, New York, if you need further clarification, send us another email and we'll have Dr. Cochran elaborate for you. By the way, I just wanted my co-host Charlie to know that Pastor Sterling Vanderwerker from Greensboro, North Carolina, who submitted a question that we already read, or two questions, he says, hi Chris and Charlie, the people in North Carolina are scared.

Five to eight inches of snow tonight and tomorrow. No bread and milk on the shelves at the grocery store. Us Yankees are just fine.

I've seen that run in North Carolina. The shelves are completely vacated from milk and bread anytime there's a prediction of more than about one inch of snow.

So is, I know that you know Pastor Vanderwerker.

Yes, I do.

Is he a transplant?

Yes, he is. He's from the North. I'm not sure where in the North, but he's from the North. Yes, he is.

Okay. Well, actually, one of the things that I wanted to bring up or ask you, Dr. Cochran, is who are those organizations and individuals that are predominantly seeking your counsel on this issue who are actually not as skeptical as the left would be, or I mean skeptical is putting it lightly.

I'm sure that most on the left, especially if they're involved in the political arena, would not even listen to you because they have global warming as a part of the dogma of their religion. They would never call it that, obviously, but it is one of the primary things that they have as a part of their creed in the 21st century.

And for anyone to denounce or lessen the severity of climate change alarmists is basically to commit heresy. So who's actually saying, you know, Dr. Cochran, we are trusting your studied opinion on this and we need your counsel and advice and so on?

Well, I wish I could say that I do have some clients where I used to work over 60 years ago. You find, look for examples where you could apply some of these. Decision analysis was because I knew of him via, maybe some might lead to some.

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And Doug says, I am not a climate alarmist, but I do think that warming has occurred primarily because crops are now being grown farther north than they have in the past. Farmers are smart people. They would not do this if the crops would not thrive.

However, this is an example of a positive impact on global warming. It also does not say anything about whether or not global warming is caused by human activity. Thank you, Doug in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.

Do you have any comments?

I think Doug's conclusions that increased that what that latitude where, you know, each of these, you find is that even giving 90%, I just said, okay, even with a 90 and even a 90%, you still have, either the earth is not, even if you're generous with the fact that global warming might be a problem, you have to be 55 for a true statement.

We're going to be dealing with, Paul, I'm going to be pretty certain.

Yeah, this whole thing with the left battling the sun reminds me of Don Quixote, in a sense, battling windmills. It seems like an absurd thing that they would claim it should be our number one priority to pour money and resources and energy into when it's, like you said, there's nothing substantially that could even prove that we could end this cycle with human effort.

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What is a more biblical approach to environmentalism? How do Bible-believing Christians balance the mandate to be stewards of the earth with the fact that it has finite resources? And she has another question,.

But I'll let you answer those two first. Very good question. The work that he does is in his view of, we know, you know, for years, we don't want to, you know, despoil the environment we live in. You know, you want to keep it clean, non-toxic.

When you start, Bible speaks directly to that, you know, calling good evil and evil good. These fuels, to be able to make it on there, they can do that. We should be looking for them, fossil fuels, but to allow us to extend the use of them so that we don't, you know, use them up so quick.

You can still have an economy that still uses fossil fuels.

Well, you've kind of answered the question already, but perhaps you could elaborate. Her last question is, how can we be good stewards of the earth, I'm assuming she means, without elevating environmental concerns above the needs of people?

Right. And that's people who are in positions that give due consideration to one viewpoint.

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A pastor. Welcome back, this is Chris Arns and if you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours with one hour to go is Dr. Michael Cochran. We are discussing cutting through the noise of climate change.

If you'd like to join us on the air our email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com and please give us your first name city and state and country of residence if you write in. Dr. Cochran, it seems ironic that those in the secular field of science or those secularists in the field of science, those who are humanists, those who are atheists, those who are either not christian or do not hold to any religion seriously or elevate their their opinions of science above any religion, they would mock christians and those of faith for believing in things about the earth and about all that is in it and the universe for that matter are based on things that are unprovable, things from the scriptures and so on and yet it seems that they are pushing an agenda that has no evidence, there is no real evidence that the earth is in great peril from this man-made climate change issue and yet just like with many other things in science, the views that christians have scientifically are very often those that are very provable, things that we can see, feel, taste and touch, things that we know are true and one of them is the very fact that millions of people globally are losing their jobs and suffering greatly because of these laws imposed on them due to the global climate change alarmists, am I right?